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How GOOD was Scyther ACTUALLY? - History of Scyther in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-7)
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Scyther is this week’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Scyther in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:54 - RBY/Gen 1
2:02 - GSC/Gen 2
3:26 - ADV/Gen 3
4:49 - DPP/Gen 4
6:50 - BW/Gen 5
8:17 - XY/Gen 6
9:38 - SM/Gen 7
10:28 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
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Update on Gen 8. They gave it a move called Dual Wingbeat, which with the Technician boost is basically a Brave Bird that hits twice and a 10% chance to miss. Oh and Heavy Duty Boots is cool too.
Edit: Legends gave the Scyther line Close Combat. Scyther fans have been fed this gen.
Don’t forget the STAB boost.
Not trying to be rude but its actually equal to brave bird, just 2 separate hits edit: did my math on this I'm wrong lol
@@SamTimelapseMan yeah but Bravebird has no recoil so why use it
@@nestor8682 1. Brave Bird does have recoil.
2. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t get brave bird.
@@arandommusiclover2901 no I doubt it does and I meant that it does give recoil
Dual Wingbeat: I’m about to start this mantis’ career.
And it getting Defog is also really good ,
Heavy duty boots can also be really good on offensive sets that use moves like swords dance and try to sweep👍
@@potatowarrior88 Defog???? Like for what reason lol
T.M. Samuels Defoe clears hazards
I read that as Defog clears Charizards
@@DarkSaber22 Imagine watching a channel about competitive pokemon and not knowing what Defog does.
Scythers been blessed with Stab Technician Dual Wingbeat and is carrying Heavy Duty Boots Protecting it from Stealth Rocks.
Scyther: *UU I'M COMING FOR YOU!*
And also, it's somehow in the same tier as KYREUM and TYRANITAR.
@@rjc6437 well he does have the speed advantage on t-tar and he isn't to fond about taking scyther's stab x-sizzor
Eh, t-tar could switch out to it's teammate the will eat Scyther attacks for breakfast, like skar or rachi. (Before it's banned.)
But if your talking on the switch... T-tar ain't gonna be happy.
Dual Wingbeat is a hell of a drug, welcome back Scyther.
And is protected by HDB.
Volting Master knock off : I’m about to end this bugs whole career
Pu here he came
use wide lens tho. otherwise it kinda sucks
I love how Heavy-Duty Boots and Dual Wingbeat have made Scyther amazing in Gen8 now. Jumped back in to UU.
HDB is pretty much the biggest saving grace to all stealth rock weak Pokemon.
Frosmoth would’ve been dead on arrival if it weren’t for Heavy-Duty Boots.
Lol so true
How good is heracross doing now that it's in the game? In which category is it?
Marton RUBL
I've always loved how Scyther sounds in the anime. SCY
I actually heard your comment in my head.
SCYTHA
Same lol
You okay Pikachu?
SCYTHER!
Muk.. Use acid!!
Scyther still can be happy knowing it is the equivalent of an Uber Legendary for Litlle Cup, since its stats are just too gigantic for the tier.
Federico Palacios I thought that the thing feared in little cup was trapinch since it has the highest attack out of any I unevolved Pokémon due to it being the same as it’s final evolution.
That's actually not true, Cranidos is the unevolved Pokémon with the highest Attack. Trapinch's problem is that it's horrifically slow and not even bulky.
I thought pokemon that gained an evolution but were single staged before weren't allowed in LC.
@@shawnjavery not really. Onix is allowed in LC. And it gained an evolution in the same generation as Scyther. Scyther and Sneasel are banned because they're just too dangerous.
I remember using Scyther and Sneasel in Battle Revolution's Little Cup, and they're BEASTS! As soon as they're on the field, they sweep pretty much anything.
Honestly after watching a lot of these video's underused sounds exponentially more interesting than overused.
Oh yeah. Overused is very repetitive.
UU is my favorite tier hands down when it comes to usage. Monotype is still my overall favorite but based on usage UU is the most fun for me. Can only play against wish killer so many times before ya go insane.
I personally play NU, mainly because I'm new to competitive and I heard it was a good place to start out, but also because it has some of my favorite Pokemon (Incineroar, Sceptile, and Gallade in borderline)
UU and RU sounds much fun and there are many underrated Pokemon in these tiers
OU: Rigged game mechanic abusers, good legendaries and pseudos every generation after 2.
And now it's got a base 40 physical Flying move that hits twice. Scyther's only just returned to the competitive scene and it's already been banned from NU.
It's uu currently
With technician, isnt that like 120 BP total?
@@LOLquendoTV brave bird without recoil
Since its primary STAB was 90 BP, that's basically like stacking a free Life Orb on its Flying STAB, which is pretty awesome.
Though I wonder if Scizor would still use it?
Haunter i banned form nu but decidueye isn't
Complete FSG evaluation so far:
1. Charizard - pretty decent
2. Venusaur - consistently good
3. Unown - I don't know, who cares
4. Blastoise - very, very mediocre
5. Dragonite - incredible
6. Starmie - great
7. Snorlax - edge early on, but later dropped off
8. Gengar - phenomenal
9. Alakazam - great start, but later pushed down
10. Gyarados - pretty good
11. Chansey/Blissey - one of the best Pokemon
12. Machamp - decent
13. Arcanine - wasn't a bad Pokemon, wasn't a top threat
14. Lapras - not that good
15. Articuno - even more not that good
16. Zapdos - pretty damn good
17. Moltres - better than I expected
18. Tauros - it were rough two decades for him
19. Aerodactyl - decent
20. Nidoking - pretty good
21. Scizor - great
22. Tyranitar - was and is amazing
23. Rhydon/Rhyperior - decent, at least for a bit
24. Shuckle - bad, until maybe gen six
25. Heracross - honestly, it was pretty good
26. Smeargle - pretty good
27. Skarmory - amazing, in singles
28. Golbat/Crobat - OK
29. Slowbro - pretty good
30. Wigglytuff - outclassed
31. Porygon/Porygon2 - Porygon sucked, but Porygon2 was pretty good
32. Porygon-Z - OK
33. Seadra/Kingdra - hard to say, OK, I guess? Seadra just kinda sucked, really
34. Onix/Steelix - Onix was outclassed, Steelix started out well, but never really got anything
35. Azumarill - certainly wasn't a Pokegod, but once it got its combination, it was terryfying
36. Magneton/Magnezone - pretty good, especially after evolving
37. Sneasel/Weavile - Sneasel was pretty bad, but Weavile was pretty good
38. Poliwrath - not great
39. Espeon - hard to say, potentially one of the strongest non-uber Pokemon
40. Umbreon - pretty decent
41. Ampharos - wasn't that good
42. Cloyster - pretty damn good
43. Houndoom - a little underwhelming
44. Togetic/Togekiss - Togetic f**king sucked, but Togekiss was pretty damn good
45. Pikachu - pretty bad
46. Raichu - pretty bad
47. Breloom - pretty amazing, to be honest
48. Garchomp - in a word, amazing
49. Gardevoir - up and down
50. Gligar/Gliscor - Gligar wasn't great, but Gliscor was awesome
51. Feraligatr - it depends, kinda well, not great, but certainly not atrocious
52. Typhlosion - not great
53. Quagsire - man, I don't f**king know
54. Meganium - sucks
55. Dunsparce - sucked
56. Donphan - pretty dang average
57. Jolteon - for most of its life, really good
58. Vaporeon - pretty good
59. Flareon - sucked and still sucks
60. Metagross - incredible
61. Salamence - amazing
62. Swampert - good
63. Blaziken - probably best starter of all time... for now
64. Wobbuffet - hard to say
65. Sceptile - pretty below average
66. Clefable - dramatically shifting its whole life, nowadays strong placement
67. Tentacruel - OK, for a while
68. Jumpluff - honestly not very good, but better than you might expect
69. Exeggutor - steepest decline of all covered Pokemon
70. Mewtwo - you're kidding, right?
71. Mew - really good
72. Lucario - really strong
73. Kangaskhan - OK
74. Flygon - never face of the tier, but always important and defining
75. Milotic - proud representative of its kind
76. Dugtrio - once it gain Arena Trap, it become the force
77. Suicune - as good as it is regal
78. Raikou - pretty good
79. Entei - not that good
80. Marowak - had a bone or two to pick
81. Ninetales - not very good at all
82. Gallade - pretty decent
83. Tangela/Tangrowth - Tangela was among the most forgettable Pokemon, but once it evolved, it become the damn important pick
84. Electabuzz/Electivire - for the most part, quite bad
85. Magmar/Magmortar - not good, like, ever
86. Misdreavus/Mismagius - OK
87. Pidgeot - bland, until mega made it viable
88. Persian - sucked after first generation
89. Roselia/Roserade - pre-evo wasn't great, Roserade was
90. Weezing - always decent, at least in the lower tiers
91. Ledian - one of the worst Pokemon of all time
92. Muk - pretty alright
93. Delibird - one of the worst competitive Pokemon in history
94. Piloswine/Mamoswine - Piloswine was underrated, but since it evolved, it become the wrecking ball
95. Froslass - definition of a specialised Pokemon
96. Beedrill - until it got mega, one of the worst Pokemon, but after, one of the most important in UU
97. Celebi - great, great Pokemon
98. Aggron - pretty much on the below average side
99. Lugia - every bit as good and some as in other media
100. Infernape - overall, pretty good
101. Sandslash - went from being decent to despondent
102. Empoleon - pretty great
103. Ho-Oh - pretty good
104. Mawile - for its first three generations, seriously awful, but then become one of the biggest threats around
105. Torterra - wasn't fantastic
106. Golem - not all Pokemon can be amazing, and it is a prime example
107. Shedinja - honestly pretty terrible
108. Rayquaza - only superlatives describe how powerful it was
109. Ditto - may not be the best in the older games
110. Scyther - in the grand scheme of things, awful
its been that many episodes? Damn, we're around 25% done with the Competitive Pokedex (if we don't count LC)
You are a f&#@ing legend!
ty for the write up
My favourite episode is Quagsire, hands down. Gastrodon will probably be similar.
Actually... Raichu - outclassed by other electric types HOWEVER is a very viable pokemon in doubles. This can also be said about a lot of the other "bad" pokemon you didnt bother writing doubles for 🙄
"Red threw a rock." 4x weak lmao
You gonna kill the poor bug, stop it
Wow, I was wondering if this day would ever happen. Glad it did though, Scyther is sick!
Go to the community sections at any time, click on comment, and type these exact words
I WANT MAGIKARP AND I'M NEVER GIVING UP!!!
@@funnybones7771 Interesting to see that your entire strategy is to be ignored for years. Have fun wasting your time for nothing.
SCYTHER should have Aerilate ability with access to extreme speed and fake out. Sacred Sword too would be awesome. Would be a beast
I don’t think Fake Out belongs on Scyther tbh.
If he's sick, give him some medicine then, mate
Isle of Armor blessed Scyther with Dual Wingbeat.
And it also introduced scizor
Who is in ou again
Remember the times Scyther wasnt banned in LC?
Ah, great times, trying to kill scyther in stadium 2 was ridiculous, it just killed everything.
Martin Anderson Onix, Elekid, Houndour? Magnemite? Can all check it?
In LC Stadium 2, Scyther's stats are 'too' good. Something like Magnemite or Onix could be squashed by a switched-in Baton Pass by Scyther which probably has a Gold Berry on it. Elekid and Houndour's Defences are too weak and require luck to survive long enough, assuming they don't Pass or switch Scyther before they could cripple the status. There's a reason why the Round 2 Final Battle trainer has one in his party.
Elekid cant check it 1v1, scyther kills Elekid with no more than two hits, and im pretty sure its tanky enough to live a thunderbolt.
Also, not speaking of just that fight in general, Scyther in general is only truly checked by the rocks, and then it could always baton pass something else.
What should be counters, such as houndour or elekid just dies to it because its stats are too good.
Yeah 500 base stat total in little cup is uh not okay.
The funny thing about Scyther is that it has the same base stat as Scizor. The base stats are only divided differently.
Hp and the specials are the same for both Pokemon. Scizor just has better Attack and Defense while Scyther has drastically better speed. But Scizor is a major upgrade because it not only hits better, but it's typing is drastically better...
If it weren't for the typing, Scyther might actually have been the better one since it has eviolite.
@@TheDeathmailscizor also has a much stronger priority than scyther
"Sythers decent attack stat"
110- am I a joke to you?
110 is decent by today’s standards. 120 up is where your offense starts getting good.
@@ultimaterecoil1136 I feel sythers underrated
ZubatMan _ oh people underestimate a lot of things. But it’s definitely understandable why they wouldn’t go for a base 110 attack mon in ou in gens where you have ou mons with 170 attack.
No I just the pokemon in general
I feel a well designed pokemon shadowed by scizor you know?
Scyther isn't the best Pokemon, but I've always loved his design, especially how he looked in hgss
AwesomeMan 366 his HGSS sprite was hilarious, he looks like he just SNAPPED lmao
Hgss sucked
Yeah, Scyther is one of the most epic bug types alongside its evolution Scizor and I think it is about good enough as it is today. Sure Scyther isn’t that good in competetive but it at least has decent stats. And hey, I won the oras Battle Maison Super Multi Battles with Scyther and I think Gardevoir and Steven as companion which is something to be proud of right?
that damn u-turn scyther was a nightmare
@@petercross1879 damn someone didn't get past the the third gym leader
The name scyther is so much fun to say. It sounds so Ninja like, kinda like scyther
I agree 100%. Its also why the (very similar) "Slifer the sky dragon" was my favourite of the egyptian god cards as a kid. The name sounds so damn cool.
@@user-gw8kh1dx4c damn he was my favorite for the name too lol
Go to the community sections at any time, click on comment, and type these exact words
I WANT MAGIKARP AND I'M NEVER GIVING UP!!!
Are you dumb
Scyther's not seeing enough movement!
I loved using Eviolite Technician Scyther in the ORAS Battle Resort! He reaped so many souls!
Yes my friend he was my clean up sweeper bc of that, didnt that super aerial ace and brick break feel amazing, i used it in XY and ORAS, never disappoints
Congrats, Scyther is getting acrobatics, making eviolite Scyther a rival to choice band scizor in lethality
@@adamtheriault6743 How does that matter? Scyther already gets Aerial Ace, which is 5 more BP than Acrobatics and is still in Technician range. You'd have to run a consumable item (or no item) for Acrobatics to double in power, which means no Eviolite. Most of Scizor's raw lethality comes from its STAB 90BP Bullet Punch, which Scyther can't yet replicate. You're not making much sense.
@@ForeverLaxx heres my reasoning
Every eviolite Pokemon hates, with a burning passion, knock off
Scyther is able to take knock off, and turn it into a mindgame
55 is the second best to 60 with base power, and with swords dance the difference is negligible
However, should your opponent knock off your eviolite, suddenly your acrobatics becomes a big red button
But even if they don't, Scyther can learn reversal, giving great coverage, benefitting eviolite scythers bulk immensely, as well as complimenting acrobatics for a knock off mindgame set
To summarize:
Knock off: spam acrobatics
No knock off: tank and abuse reversal
Stall: swords dance and knock off
Revenge killer: quick attack
Does my point make a little more sense now?
@@adamtheriault6743 That's a lot of maybes, so not really. You'd also need a bunch of support to make it work, and Scyther is still frail. "Abusing Reversal" is something people are already prepared for and that goes double for Scyther. If you ever use Acrobatics before the "trap" is sprung, the ruse is up and you're stuck with a weaker STAB.
But because Scyther is so frail, they may not even care about a powered up Acrobatics because it'll be in range to fall to a priority move. A 110 BP move with no priority won't save you in that situation and suffers the same sort of "counter" that Reversal-abuse falls victim do. It really just looks like you're putting together a moveset with two plans that are both countered by the same counter-strategy.
no matter how bad the Meta treats it... it is and will allways be my favourite Bug type pokemon
Same, I love pokemon with swords on their arms
It will always be relevant in SOME tier
Heracross for me
This gives me new appreciation for Scyther.
Even if it did keep falling through the tiers.
It's a nfe tho
So it did quite good
Scyther's gonna be awesome this gen with Dual Wingbeat.
Scyther's motto is basically "better rule in hell (UU/RU/NU) than serves in heaven (OU)"
Clowdono is that an Elina fallen angel reference?
@@anotheraccount2052 it's a quote from a lot of things. It originated with John Milton's "Paradise Lost."
That's the ninja way!
Just wanted to say, I really love your videos, Kellen. I've been watching for over a year now, and seeing this channel grow and mature has been an utter joy. I love each and every one of these break downs, and it's even inspiring me to get into VGC when the next year's format comes around (I'm just training up for now!)
Thanks for putting a smile on this Pokemon lover's face.
Scythers return in gen 8 was huge. Even if after the crown turndra has come back it returns to RU. Being an NFE mon that shared a tier with jirachi (til it was banned), keldeo, and sylveon while holding GENUINE viability is huge. Welcome back scyther, if you fall from UU again here, just remember you’ve done good
That was cool, I really enjoyed looking at a loved but unevolved pokemon who falls through the tiers but still has a story to tell. Thank you for the video!
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Stealth Rocks: 50% health taken away
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Stealth Rock was a mistake.
Gengarzilla I don’t think it was a mistake, I just think it should only do more damage to flying types. The point of SR was to hit flying types since they were immune to spikes but doing extra damage to ice, fire or bug is just overkill IMO. Dunno if 12.5% for base damage is too much either but it’s certainly dumb that Pokémon like volcarona take half health.
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A lot of the determinations are used for balance. The Dark-type was employed to curb the power of the Psychic Type...who didn't worry about Ghost-type moves (Nightshade did specific damage, unaltered by type match-up or STAB) or Bug-type moves (both the Pokemon and the attacks were pretty weak and pretty frail).
Spikes was intended to hinder Pokemon switching every other turn, and Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes are designed to employ against the types that are immune or resistant to Spikes.
And once a thing exists, it tends to continue existing. So Stealth Rock, affecting the types that can shrug off Spikes, was perfectly fine as a solution and something that 90% of people wanted...until it turned out that this meant Flying-type Pokemon would be weak to an entry hazard and some otherwise-useful Pokemon would face a 4x weakness. After a baby is born, it can no longer be aborted.
Personally I'd be fine if it just did more than its usual damage on anything immune to Ground, like Flying types and Levitate users, since it would complement the other entry hazards more neatly especially Spikes. The way it also tears apart Fire, Bug, and Ice types has always felt a bit excessive and suffocating.
Gotta admit though, Scyther was popular and known enough that it was even recognized in some other games or referenced.
I remember Danganronpa V3 having Tsumugi making a Scyther joke during one of the class trials.
Thanks brother. I've been asking for Scyther for about a year.
Majin Drew your username made me Lol haha
It's been basically two years.
I think it is so weird that Scizor and Scyther share the same base stat total
I've always thought that the metal coat on Scyther specifically was more like a trade-off "evolution" where it essentially just gained a literal metal coat, making it heavier and slower but able to take hits better. If the rumors about Gen 8 "Armor Evolutions" has any credence to it, we might see some similar styles of "evolution" in the upcoming Generation.
@@JulianimeIsAmazing
Armor evolutions? First they borrow Mega-Evolution from Digimon and now this?
@@MorganKing95 yeah but the Armor Evolution thing is just a rumor, since it fits both the motifs of "Sword + Shield" as well as being a counterpart region to Kalos, origin of Mega Evolutions. Plus the region seems much more industrial and if they were at war with Kalos at some point, the Pokemon could serve as armed forces similar to how we see in the past of the Lucario Movie.
Henry B That's why I see them more as counterparts than I do the same evolution line
@@JulianimeIsAmazing
Why do they keep making up new evolutions instead of finishing megas? In my opinion, they should have just given pokemon another evolution rather than creating "megas", but I'd rather them give every pokemone one before starting another half-assed evolution that will only affect a handful of pokemon.
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Scyther being UU in Gen 8 thanks to Dual Wingbeat and Heavy-Duty Boots
I waited so many years since the Scizor vid. Which Scizor is my fave. "Sssssssscyther!!!!" loved this one! 💯
I wonder if they'll ever bring out an eviolite that boosts attack stats by 1.5 instead of the defenses. That could really help scyther :D
Man I love this bug. It was one of the mvps of my first draft league team where it just about single handedly won my third game and played a major part in the championship match.
Thanks for covering this pokemon! He's just really really freaking cool :P
I love Scyther far more than i do Scizor, that Animalistic design mixing aspects from both bugs and Reptiles together is probably the best i've ever seen also Scyther had one of the most memorable anime cries.
Waiting for this pokemon was the only reason I subscribed.
I didn’t actually know scyther and Scizor had the same stats until a few weeks ago
@Christian Gibson although i'm pretty sure he was just referring to the base stat total (both Scyther and Scizor have a base stat total of 500), the individual stats do differ as you said
@@Wreckbot_ so basically scyther and scizor are counterparts
@@zubair-rp1ie kind of, but scizor is still definitely the stronger pokemon as it is an evolution (better stat distribution+typing)
@@Wreckbot_ alright
@@Wreckbot_ not only them had the same BST. Pinsir and Heracross too
Yes!!! The patrons are the best! Love you guys. We would have never gotten this one ever without them.
I might be the minority here, but I've always liked Scyther more than Scizor
It would be cool if Scizor retained its arm blades instead of turning them into cartoonish-looking claws
I fully agree with you.
I also like swords rather than claws
Agreed! Scizor looks cool but Scyther is a way better design. I think it's the one evolution I don't buy in the whole franchise. Scyther is one of my favourite Pokémon, even if it is mediocre in the games.
@@shirshanyaroy287 congrats fellow Scyther lover, Scyther is receiving acrobatics when it returns in gen 8, read the comment I left for why we should celebrate and toast it
Imagine if knock off was 60 power instead of 65 so it got a technician boost. Actually, I don't want to imagine that.
either that or buff technician
How GROOVY was Ludicolo actually?
“plays Miror B theme in the background”
Thanks for letting me know! 😀
Ah yes, scyther. This guy carried me through my HG/SS playthroughs with its sword danced technician wing attack. So good as a storymon.
I have been waiting for this one. It was always a good in lower tiers but suffered from terrible movepool early on. Later on it remained good due to roost and eviolite. It should been a better pokemon considering it's design and roles in the anime
Aerilate ability with access to extreme speed and fake out. Throw in sacred sword too
Fun Fact: Scyther has a higher BST than Bisharp. It's not saying much since Scizor has the same BST and it's only a 10 BST Difference but it's still there.
Omg i’ve been waiting for this!
I love your username and picture. #resist #orangemanbad
Would it be possible, in future videos, to cover the pokemon's pre-evo if it is excelent in LC? Like how Rapidash is one of the worst Fire types as is untiered, while Ponyta is a top-tier thread in LC.
Afaik LC was only played in Gen 4 and onwards. This could be interesting on shorter videos when you cover more recent mons
That's actually a cool idea.
LC was formalized in Gen 2, but nobody really played it until Gen 4, when it came into its own. Gen 2 LC is fun though.
@@crazycoolkids00 Agreed, I for one really like gsc lc
Scyther got a major boost in Gen 8, with a new STAB move in Dual Wingbeat to break substitutes and a new tool in Heavy-Duty Boots with lets it overcome Stealth Rock. Scyther soared all the way up to UU, and stayed there as a powerful threat. Until the Pokedex expanded with Isle and Crown Tundra. Scyther couldn't keep up with the new threats and plummeted all the way down into PU. But it destroyed PU and got banned from the tier.
Gen 9 Scyther lost Knock Off, but currently resides in NU due to one crucial addition: Close Combat. Yes, Scyther got a major upgrade from Brick Break and can blast through the Rocks and Steels with no trouble.
Eviolite Scyther is like.
Good Defenses ✓
Good Speed ✓
Good Offense ✓
Decent HP
What it needs is steel typing
It got acrobatics instead, which is better, consider this
Eviolite buffs defenses by 1.5
Mathematically, that makes Scyther have only one regular weakness, rock. Ice, electric and fire are made neutral, everything else is resisted
So eviolite Scyther has essentially better typing than scizor
As for acrobatics, read my comment for why that's significant
@@adamtheriault6743 your comment is totally incorrect...
Type effectiveness doesn't work like that
+ Aerial Ace is better than acrobatics because of technician.
Acrobatics would be only 55 base power if you had eviolite as well duh
@@glaciveestudios6170 true, acrobatics is only 55, but, consider this
If they knock off your eviolite, then it's 110 base power, so they give you a big red button, and it deals more damage than aerial Ace
Plus, with swords dance, the 5 less base power is negligible
On top of that, you can run knock off and reversal to turn Scyther into a terrifyingly flexible setup sweeper
@@adamtheriault6743 Scyther would always be dope if there was no stealth rocks
@@glaciveestudios6170 very true, thats why countermeasures are needed
I use a taunt weavile with swords dance, knock off, and ice shard to deal with hazards myself, otherwise, I use it as a free damage buff to reversal, hence why I use it over brick break
Dual Wingbeat + Technician + Choice Band + Max Attack and Speed, on a Pokémon with 110 base attack.
Jesus gen 8 scyther is gonna become insane.
Acrobatics with eviolite and swords dance is way better
@@adamtheriault6743 Why would you run Acrobatics with an item? Stop talking nonsense
@@user-pp6pr5fg8w because it's better, what do you mean
Acrobatics is 5 base power less than aerial ace with an item, so it gets a technician boost, then it turns to 110 if it gets it's eviolite removed
It’s been 3000 years... thank you Patreons!
I was expecting at least a brief mention of Scyther’s minigame in Stadium 2, but not because of Scyther really, but because I love Stadium so much :(
"Gen 5 Scyther - one of a Skill Link Cincinno's best friend"
I can't wait for when he starts to cover gen 8. "As you all know, the anti-power creep caused this gens UU to look like gen 7s PU. They also buffed basically everything."
Hard to believe that when Skarmory and Tyranitar are also in that tier.
@@beta511ee4 that aged horribly
11:00
Dual Wingbeat and Heavy-Duty Boots: we got you fam
Scyther was the best in pokemon stadium 2 in level 5 competition
I also wanted to point out how strong Scyther is that Smogon banned it from LC
Yeah it was so op
Scyther was insanely broken in little cup, i wished he was banned from appearing in that cup
I'm so happy this video finally happened :D I can die happy
Now there's dual wingbeat scyther =)
I haven't seen or played pokemon since like 2004 and yet I am still here drawn to this video.
Aye finally, i have waited for it.
I honestly thought Scyther was going to rise up to OU in Gen 5 due to eviolite. Man, I was wrong.
Austin Grider eviolite can only do so much for a Pokemon.
It did for me in XY honestly, sometime i would switch to life orb, but he was my 2nd or 3rd best sweeper under charX, and crit king kindra. Long as i stayed far away from all fire and rocks scyther all ways took out at least 2.5 pokemon at LEAST. Thats with no swords dance , just technician and super effective needed, fkn top 5 abilities ever maybe top 3
SCYTHER @ Eviolite
Ability: Aerilate
Movepool options
Fake out
Extreme Speed
U-Turn
Sacred Sword
Swords Dance
Double Team
Throat Chop
Smart Strike
... And all its usual pool
@@CyberchaoX That would be impossible with power creep and Stealth Rocks. As was said numerous times, Gen 5 UU closely resembled Gen 4 OU. Only reason Nidoking got to stay in UU was because of its better typing and gaining Sheer Force.
@@joegreen3802 Sheer Force did have a lot to do with it. Heck, it always tripped me up thinking it was a physical mon, but nope, special attacks for days.
Thanks to the Patrons for voting for this one!! The same day i caught an almost perfect IV one :)
Channel is on a roll lately!
*FINALLY! Thanks for remembering me!*
(9:50) you couldn't actually use Scyther against Weeying because it rised the same month in which it dropped.
Honestly, I've stated this before, But as long as the Pokemon is useful in terms of their Tier or Anywhere really, Then i'm satisfied.
Something being OU Nowadays isn't interesting to me because of Power Creep, so seeing RU or NU Coverages is nice
I just love that we keep getting video after video after video from you makes me so happy
It’s very interesting to see you doing both scizor and scyther
How sad was Staraptor's journey in competitive Pokémon actually? #NewTierPlz
*Cries in borderline*
That terrifying moment when you realize you are a permanent member of the void. The UUBL void. Always too good for high tier, but never good enough for top tier. Just hanging in limbo, knowing you could be the best in some meta somewhere that doesn't exist. Just because tiers arbitrarily arranged themselves so your power level won the reverse lottery.
Yeah, that's tough. Love Staraptor though.
Most of my weekly votes have been for Staraptor. I really do want it to have a video someday.
@@crazycoolkids00 Staraptor deserves to go to UU. My second-favourite starter bird. It needs a tier it can rule.
ABOUT TIME - WE GET MY BOI
Early gen 9 update: took away dual wingbeat and didnt add anything of note, it does carve a bit of a niche with a distinct lack of de foggers and being one of two mons with defog U-turn sadly having no roost is absolutely abysmal
I think Scyther deserves a ton of credit, considering it’s officially a basic form that still manages to compete in places outside of LC without any artificial gimmicks of pushing from GF (Pikachu and Eevee).
You sure about that? Gligar's really picking up steam in SM UU.
Don't forget: Scyther is a monster in Little Cup. So much so, that it's banned from LC OU. XD (As far as I know.)
not lc ou, just lc.
Its banned from LC period.
needs a pre-evolution
Sneasel and Scyther are both banned from LC
About time!
Also - Nerf Stealth Rocks, duh.
@@BlueAizu_ Meh, GameFreak has real issues with a ton of things - Game balancing being one of them.
Sword/Shield will be obsolete within a year as they'll announce either Gen 4 remakes or an UltraSun/UltraMoon variation of Sword/Shield sometime next May/Pre-E3 June - giving us updated Egg Moves, Move Tutors, and extra Pokemon and/or forms that won't be compatible with Vanilla Sword/Shield...
A rival who isn't so much a rival but a friend who "tests" your team, serving really nothing more than a road block...
Cutscenes that stop you every five minutes to deliver a dump of exposition and various camera change angles... Including a lengthy tutorial sequence...
Disappointing Post-game because Matsuda believes people have low attention spans due to mobile games, etc.
Honestly Pokemon's biggest problem can be summed up as, they chase the young and casual crowd at the expense of their hardcore fanbase. I don't see why they can't have both? Why not make a game geared towards an older and more knowledgeable player?
Pokemon Crystal Clear is exactly what we need. If Gamefreak made an official game just like it, the world would be saved.
@@MrIronJustice Because they would waste time, resources, and money making a game dedicated merely a section of the fanbase when they could maximize profits creating a game for the entire fanbase to enjoy.
I mean, from GameFreak's perspective, the Hardcore fanbase are already buying the games anyway - so why put the effort when it could be used elsewhere?
I think the issues I've stated are more alerting: People just want to play the game, not be bored to death as they have to sit through speech bubble after speech bubble, stopping the dialogue only to showcase another cinematic angle.
A Rival should encourage the player to keep playing the game to be strong enough to surpass them and move forward ready for the next challenge, not basically have another info dump character to slow the process down further.
And they need to stop making the games obsolete by the following year. It's not just the technical battle things either, they've been adding new Pokemon that can't be caught in the previous titles in the same generation! And they expect people to PAY full price for what is essentially the same game again.
False swipe covers one of the most well known Pokémon who can use false swipe
Honestly, Dual Wingbeat is one of the best buffs it could’ve received. No one’s gawking at an attack with more power than Fire Blast, coming off of 110 attack, AND STAB.
I never knew that gen 1 Sprite was what 90s kids saw in the safari zone.
Maybe if Stealth Rocks wasn't so broken
And if some of the Pokemon who resist Stealth Rock didn't become Power Creep victims
*COUGH* RHYPERIOR *COUGH*
Thank you comrade I've waited so long
Even if it's only a cameo, seeing my favourite pokemon turn up in this video was really satisfying to see.
And before people ask, it's Cinccino
Chincinno. SUCCS
Scyther is just the Gigan of the Pokemon world.
One of my top ten fave Pokémon.
Prob top 3-5 in terms of Gen 1
Didn't Scyther's move also inspire your channel name? (well, yeah I know other Pokémon can learn the move too, but I always used Scyther with False Swipe back in the day, to help catch Pokémon by bringing them down to 1HP) ;D
I've been waiting So long awesome
And then Dual Wingbeat appeared
Scyther is one of the coolest bug types.
So before you comment on what Pokemon you want for the next video...
Heres a list of every Pokemon that has not been done yet (up to Generation 4)
How GOOD was/were:
Butterfree
Raticate
Fearow
Arbok
Nidoqueen
Vileplume
Golduck
Primape
Victreebel
Rapidash
Farfetch'd
Dodrio
Dewgong
Hypno
Kingler
Electrode
Hitmonlee
Hitmonchan
Lickitung/Lickilicky
Seaking
Mr. Mime
Pinsir
Kabutops
Omastar
Furret
Noctowl
Ariados
Lanturn
Xatu
Bellosom
Sudowoodo
Politoed
Aipom/Ambipom
Sunflora
Yanma/Yanmega
Murkrow/Honchkrow
Slowking
Unown (Oh wait, TheAuraGuardian)
Girafarig
Forretress
Granbull
Ursaring
Magcargo
Corsola
Octillery
Mantine
Stantler
Miltank
Mightyena
Linoone
Beautifly
Dustox
Ludicolo
Shiftry
Swellow
Pelliper
Masquerain
Slaking
Ninjask
Exploud
Hariyama
Nosepass/Probopass
Delcatty
Sableye
Medicham
Manectric
Plusle and Minun
Volbeat and Illumise
Swalot
Sharpedo
Wailord
Camerupt
Torkoal
Grumpig
Spinda
Cacturne
Altaria
Zangoose
Seviper
Lunatone and Solrock
Whiscash
Claydol
Cradily
Armaldo
Castform
Kecleon
Banette
Dusclops/Dusknoir
Tropius
Chimecho
Absol
Glalie
Walrein
Huntail and Gorebyss
Relicanth
Luvdisc
The Regis
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Jirachi
Deoxys
Bibarel
Staraptor
Kricketune
Luxray
Rampardos
Bastiodon
Wormadam
Mothim
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Floatzel
Cherrim
Gastrodon
Drifblim
Lopunny
Purugly
Skuntank
Bronzong
Chatot
Spiritomb
Hippowdon
Drapion
Toxicroak
Carnivine
Lumineon
Abomasnow
Leafeon
Glaceon
Rotom
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Heatran
Regigigas
Giratina
Cresselia
Phione
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus
ACTUALLY?
Get a Jolly Technician Schyther, give it Eviolite, move set include Swords Dance, Knock Off or Roost, Aerial Ace and either X Scissor or U turn. EV investment HP 6, Attack 252, Speed 252
Are you drunk? First of all; you only invest 4 EV in the remaining stat and first and foremost not in HP. That'd make Scyther's HP even, meaning it can't switch in on Stealth Rock twice, which it can if the HP stat is odd. Then you don't really want U-Turn on that set; you're a setup sweeper, if you start, you want to wreak havoc so switching out is whack, leaving you with not X-Scissor but Bug Bite, as that gets the Technician boost and outdamages X-Scissor. Oh and you may want Life Orb > Eviolite, as you actually need the damage if you want to sweep. Scaring something out or living a hit Scyther can do without the Eviolite boost.
@@billquinton5565 Its simple actually, Adamant nature would work fine as well. All you need to get is one Sword dance, nothing except an Uber will kill Eviolite Schyther in one hit. Then just go for sweep. U turn is with Knock off, if you pick Roost then X scissor is better, no need to get any technician boost, anything neutral or weak against flying and bug will die in one hit anyway. Except the super bulky ones, who can't OHKO Schyther anyway either and will be always slower.
Scyther.
Gen 8
UnderUsed
Dual Wingbeat
Technician
Dude I love Scyther
Scyther in Gen 8 with Dual Wingbeat and Heavy-Duty Boots: *These boots are made for walking*
Im glad you did scyther and scizor separately. Along with lapras they are my top 3 favourites. Great video!
Scyther, give Gary a hug!
I think Scyther would want y'all to vote for Miltank next.
I was actually thinking to myself, I wonder how good Scyther and you up and drop the vid
Thanks for covering Scyther!
Yeah, need a new tier to adress the power creep. Sounds like a broken record
I always thought Syther is the coolest looking gen 1 Pokemon
I remember when Red came out and I wanted Scyther so badly. Once I finally got him, I realized trying to play him was a little... underwhelming. He’s still one of the coolest designed Pokémon to this very day.
Space Pirate 33 he’s kinda the Gen 1 equivalent of Lucario. Neat design, not so great in-game.
Cases like this are one reason why I don't just jump for the cool looking ones. I'd rather have a stupid looking Pokémon that battles well, personally.
@@pokepress nope. You guys are wrong lol. Scyther is good in nu. Like zard, Kabutops, and Arcanine. It has a niche there. Hyper beam Slash, Swords Dance and Wing attack.
deserved it's own video , & it doesn't need changes, it's a great mon for what it does, just what it does happens in past formats