2023 Acura Integra | It's Not the 90s Anymore
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- We do a first drive review on the 2023 Acura Integra A-Spec. In the video, we detail the past and present to explain the new Integra. We show the interior and exterior and the technical and engineering behind them. Other cars to consider are the VW GTI, Mazda3 Turbo, Audi A3, and BMW 1 Series.
#cars #Acura #Integra
Index:
00:00 Intro
02:48 Questions and Answers, Why Reboot the Integra?
10:30 Interior Impressions
13:54 Driving Impressions
22:18 Final Thoughts 
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It’s 2% stiffer than the civic sedan you guys
lol
You noob you missed the part about it being 5 percent more stiffer than the civic hatchback!
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Omg.... lmao
@@NotUrDJ oh snap!
"A longer and wider vehicle..." EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTS IN AN INTEGRA.
I’m almost positive this gentleman has never owned or been in a 90s teggy
@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 owned a 98 GSR with Type R Swap..including trans and half shafts and 5 lug conversion.
That’s exactly not everyone wants.
Sarcasm I see.
@@MisterSkizzels I meant the guy from Acura talking about the “integra”, very nice tho I had a 99 integra GSR with the AC and power steering stripped out and an aftermarket exhaust and headers easily the funnest car I’ve ever owned I wish I could have kept it
Wow, this is so much different from the Honda Civic hatch....I mean it's 2 percent stiffer, what more do you want!!!
They had me at 1.9% more.
@@phu5005 😂🤣😂
By far, savage geese is the best reviewer out there. The level of detail and being able to speak from the buyers mind is the best out there. Bringing Jack in really elevated this channel further. Mark is fantastic but hearing he and Jack go back and forth discussing their differing opinions is so enjoyable and gives consumers different vantage points.
Other car reviewers just don’t compare, the quality and effort is unmatched
very professional journalism, I have to agree.
They do a better Job than what one would read in the News
It's just unfortunate it doesn't translate into 2M subscribers. They won't be able to sustain this effort....
This is easily the best car channel on YT. The effort expended and production quality is just the best, bar non. Automotive journalism par excellence.
Agreed
Been that way since day 1
To be honest, I feel like they only used the Integra name to charge the buyers more and had nothing to do with the actual vehicle. It's a rebadged ILX with improvements. It should not cost as much as it does.
Agreed!
Definitely this thing looks like all their other models why use the integra name?!?!?! No one that loves integras is gonna fall for this BS.
@@ryand4533 100%
What a letdown. Why bother with bringing the name back if there is no magic in this package. Subaru, Toyota, Nissan are bringing out fun models, then Honda pushes this out. Probably a fine, ho hum car, but not an Integra. Poor effort, poor execution.
Totally agree, changing the name from ILX to Integra allowed them to charge $35,000 for a tarted up Civic Si.
I’m 50+ y/o and learning manual on my new 2024 Integra A-Spec w/ Tech that I picked up at Arlington Toyota last week! I’m getting the hang of it. You might see me carving up RT 14 🤣🤣
I'm 65 and I bought the same thing this past April. There are just a couple of things it doesn't have that it should: 1. Homelink and 2. a rear wiper. Aside from those two things, I love it. I wanted to get a manual before Acura (and Honda) discontinues them all together.
Mixed feelings on this one:
1. It's exactly what it's supposed to be. Normal looking car with a little bit of fun and luxury built in. I've driven all of the Integra generations and none of them were fast. Only the Type R was.
2. It is 2022 and you can still get a manual transmission car. Great job on that Acura!
3. Why is the highest trim package required to get the manual? There are some great competitors for that price.
4. Did they seriously literally glue an Acura logo on the engine 'cover'? That is a huge indicator to how slapped together this car is since it's 90% Civic. Even though the Japanese shared some components between Honda and the Integra back in the day, it never felt like it. But that's clearly not the case here.
5. A soft clutch pedal is the reason modern manual transmission cars are not enjoyable to drive. When there is zero resistance to the clutch pedal, it feels like nothing mechanical is happening, which defeats the purpose of having a manual these days. Not saying it needs to be heavy, but too light sucks.
6. This should just be called the ILX. There is nothing that says that it's any better than an ILX. Which sucks, because that means the release of the Integra name again is 100% a marketing exercise, because of the current nostalgia for the '80s and '90s.
As an ILX this car is fine. As an Integra, its a slap in the face and a quick cash grab. They never intended to do justice to the Integra. It was a trojan horse designed to fool us all.
Another thing that is disappointing about this car is how little power it makes
Totally agree this car is a huge cash grab all marketing. If it was called ilx or even rsx I wouldn’t mind it at all
The crazy thing is that the people who are old enough to have owned an Integra are at the point in life where we can buy what we want.
How is it possible for Toyota to come out with the GR Corolla, the GR 86 but Honda could not come out with a true integra???
@@THELOF1 the wrong people are in the wrong positions at honda or they’re not car enthusiasts.
I don’t really like this car as an Integra, but I actually do really like it as sort of a Grand Tourer version of a Civic Si. Like if you’re somebody with a family and maybe you want something a bit more plush and luxe than the Civic, but still relatively sporty and with a great manual gearbox (and maybe marginally larger and more reliable than a GTI) this could be a solid option. Honda/Acura definitely missed a trick by not giving it SH-AWD tho
my problem with this is that Acura has that image of "look at me, luxury nameplate... but im not really...im a still an econobox Honda"... Honda should honesly ditch the Acura nameplate and keep everything Honda.... its such a failure of a brand all together
@@SantanKGhey1234 that would work just fine for enthusiasts like us, but the prestige of a nameplate is worth a lot. The VW Phaeton is the prime example. They built a better Audi, but nobody wanted a super posh VW. Contrast that with the BMW X1.
@@SantanKGhey1234 its just the integra tho, pretty sure everything else is built on Acura platforms. I thought the same until I drove a 2020 RDX, these things are great vehicles and nothing like hondas.
At a $9000.00 upcharge from a Civic Si, you have to wonder where the money went. Okay, the interior is nicer, and electronically adjustable damping. Can you really justify it over the Si? I couldn't. The depreciation may be less, (although a Civic Si will probably do well), but aside from that, this car is a hard sell. 200hp at 6,000rpm doesn't exactly send tingles down my spine, either. Give them credit for having a manual transmission available. Enthusiasts have spoken, and we don't want CVT's or autos. Looking at the pedal box, it looks like a wide space between brake and throttle. I wonder how it is to heel and toe?
You nailed it. This isn’t a bad car at all by itself but it was a colossal marketing/branding blunder on Acura by calling this an Integra.
They were given a blank piece of paper and used it to trace the civic hatch. BOLD.
stunning and brave
Great comment. I had wanted to buy one- based on sketches. As it is, I'm going to Honda and buying a Honda Civic- and taking a vacation with the money I save.
Lol
@@ThirdBrainLives I would pay a premium for a coupe just not this ILX tho, I want a fun car not a Japanese Buick
@@ThirdBrainLives I would have appreciated a coupe or a hatch more than this weird sedan-hatch morph thing.
So our expectation for an "Integra" is pure nostalgia, but at the same time the selling point for this car is of that nostalgia. If the designer truly feel that our expectation is unrealistic, then shouldn't they just continue to call it the ILX when in fact this is just a rebadge ILX. Don't call it an Integra and then plays victim and tell us that we can't expect it to the "Integra".
exactly
As a previous owner of a 1986 Integra right when it came out, I couldn’t agree with you more! The looks of this car are very meh. Disappointing.
I find the Acura rep's explanation hypocritical when he stated that they wouldn't use the Integra name if they didn't meet certain expectations, but when asked the followup question as to why not pick the RSX name which seems more fitting and appropriate... the rep states if it felt like the RSX then it feels like it's an Integra??!! What??? then why not just keep the ILX? why not use the RSX? Why say the RSX model name doesn't matter (or silently say the ILX name doesn't matter) when trying to say the Inegra name does matter?
@@user-fx6tp3gs8sIf that is their intention, they would have more success with renaming a refreshed 2023 TLX into the 2024 Acura Vigor! 😂😄
@@johnnyrocket4357 In Canada, they also made an 'executive Civic' called the Acura EL. They could have also used that name. This is no Integra.
I really appreciate the technical detail you guys put into your videos, getting them up on a lift, going over mechanical aspects, interviews with the people who develop the vehicles etc. It's far more in-depth than most channels who 'only' give driving impressions. You guys do great work!
Tremendous sound with lows, highs and mids clearly defined. The Road noise that is.
Noticed that too. Can't enjoy 'premium' audio with that much road noise coming through
Lmaoooo
that is a hallmark of the civic and it sucks that it's followed through on this car, i was really hoping they'd improve NVH and add more sound deadening. kills a car for me
Typical Honda
I guess you guys have never watched car reviews … the camera picks up different frequencies… go watch a Mercedes s class review or 7 series bmw , they sound as loud as this in the interior on camera …
It really,…REALLY……needed, I don’t know,…..another 30 HP to separate itself from the Si and really make it it’s own car. And not use a CVT.
CVT is the most efficient transmission
Yes at the very minimum but with 2.0t i think it gets 58 more hp would've been perfect and they should give type s 300hp plus
@@dragospahontu which is fine for a Civic LX.
@@dragospahontu i mean its okay if your talking about a daily civic but an integra is surposed to be a 2 door coupe sports car this integra should have been a civic in a more focus and lightweight pakage a 2 door civic si with manual transmision only and a 2 door civic type r when the integra type r is realease.
@@patthonsirilim5739 lol you don’t know your integra heritage. It was always a nicer civic with more standard features and started out as a 5 door lift back. Performance variants came later.
Out of all the reviews on the Integra I have to say that this video review is a lot more accurate than other reviews. The emotional feeling is the biggest part and Savage has it. Good job on the review.
I love the new design. That is what caught my eye when purchasing this car! It is very different than anything out there right now. I'm happy that Acura decided to take the risk and make it so different. The car drives great and so smooth!! I don't need a race car. I don't need some high-performance machine. I don't need to rack up any speeding tickets. I just love to drive, and I drive on normal paved roads. The Integra has plenty of speed and comes up to speed fairly quickly. It has so many accessories and perks and tech that most vehicles don't. The gas mileage is great. The safety features are great. I just celebrated my 50th birthday last month and I bought this car to celebrate my milestone. I think I made the right choice :D
We were given a clean sheet of paper - and created a long four-door liftback. What a waste of such a good chance, knowing what an icon Integras became. This one is great (if we forget the badge), but will not be remembered by anyone; the old one will. It's not the 90s anymore: it's market all the way now.
Great talk and excellent video though, thanks.
It’s weird man. They shouldn’t have named it integra.
I don't know what Honda is thinking... now or in the recent past. Their designs are just... bland.
Yeah, there is no way to excuse it, and millennials are literally the fans of the original because it was sporty and lightweight, how can they think they only care about looks.
What model civic hatch is this again guys?
I don’t believe they were given a “clean sheet” it looks like all their cars today! They even made the NSX look like their SUV it’s all sadness and won’t sell well.
For me the price will probably kill any chance of me buying a Type S when it comes out. The top trim is already 37k, so a Type S will probably be well north of 40 grand. At that price there's lots of competition I'd rather drive.
2023 z with 400hp....39k...🤔😯😯😯. Honda did not think that price out at all. Should be closer to 26k for the aspec and 32 for the type S
Most definitely. That w limited production and the overall car shortage, at minimum, $50k. I mean good gravy, even the si is being marked up like 5 grand. A Si!?! I’ve had 3 and never paid more than invoice as they sat on lots. Integra type s will have so many wanting one could even see 60k
Depends on the performance
A Civic Type R was $38k two years ago and sold like hot cakes. You don’t think a new Integra Type S would be worth at least $40k when it comes out?
since the CTR is selling easily at $40k+, the integra-s will msrp in the low 40s; they might not sell a lot of them, but they'll probably sells all the ones they make.
Thank you for spending the time on this, appreciate the perspective as well
You're questions you asked are spot on to an enthusiast like me. That's why I look forward to watching your videos. Thank you, Guys!
“We scouted our competition…” then decided to do the opposite of sporty offerings by giving it less power than a GTI, added a CVT instead of a DSG, but hey it’s got an Integra badge!
This is the base Integra. It's not that much of a GTI competitor really.
I doubt a dsg would help this car in any meaningful way.
They had a perfect 10 speed auto, but decided against putting it in because reasons
Yeah, completely agree. This car was a huge waste of resources.
@@NeightrixPrime its basically the same engine from the Si, which also reported more than 200 hp at the wheels so yeah its definitely underrated
I love when developers/engineers/marketing explain why people are wrong to dislike the product they make.
if you have to explain why something SHOULD look cool you know its not cool
Forreals. Idgaf that this INTEGRA is 2% more stiffer than a civic. It looks uglier than the civic lmao. Idc about the small things
right.
I wish car companies would stop reviving iconic car names for now cars that share nothing with their heritage.
Supra should be called anything other than the Supra. Same for the FRS.
The Integra name should be left in the past since there's no plan.of ever making it anywhere close to what they were.
At least Nissan gets it. I do understand Nissan got pretty lucky with the FI past of the Z intersecting with the future. In that, I mean the EPA push to go forced induction over NA engines.
@@andydhillon1977 They should have called the new Supra the CELICA. They could have gotten away w/ it and not pissing everyone off.
That Q&A section was fantastic. It's great to hear from the other side, and you should absolutely expose that bit, you clearly feel like people need to see both sides of the story, and I completely agree. Well done, I love you guys, every single video.
Given a blank canvas and they created some thing that looks like everything else on the market.
Great interview Mark. Respectful, but tough questions. Huge respect to you for including more and more of these behind the scenes segments.
Just a budget- focused, recycled Civic. Honda/Acura is behind Toyota and Nissan when creating the older classic street car. Would not buy it…
@@Shiba_Inu_Des not really. They still have the type s and type r vehicles
I was an owner of 1998 Acura Integra GS-R.. brand new and owned it for 6 years. I am not a modder and did not turbo, add exhausts etc. I did an an AEM intake which did make a difference in the seat feeling or maybe it was just the insane noise from the engine. I was not easy on the car but did not officially drag race on a track. I found the car a blast and reminisce the days I owned it. I think the heart of the Integra was the amazing and almost bullet proof engine. B18C. This engine was coveted by modders and non-modders. That engine got legendary status due to all the mod enthusiasts. Do I see that with this Integra? I do not think so. A manufacturer has to compromise when making a car that has to profit as well as try to cater to the enthusiast. I think the B18C days was unique for that time. I do need to test drive it though to get my a** confirmation. I rarely comment and I take it for granted the work you put in to these videos. Excellent video production.
I still own 2000 GSR. Bought it brand new , no mod , no nothing. You have no idea how many people asked me if I want to sell my baby. Someone tried to steal it one time while I parked at the mall. I was excited when I heard Acura will come out with new Integra but after seeing this rebadged ILX , I decided to keep my old car.
@@cancel.lgbtq.6892 I sometimes I think about the trade in for it. I got a Infiniti 2004 G35 sedan with Six speed manual and put 140k+ miles on it. I then gave the G35 to my cousin instead of trading it in. I was even thinking of getting the new Civic Si .. still pondering.
@@cancel.lgbtq.6892 same here I wanted the new integra to park next my DC5 but at 37k for a manual version plus the markups I am just holding off
@@subukai Why not get the new Z instead? Or for the money of Si , get WRX.
@@cancel.lgbtq.6892 After my experience with Infiniti I am not a huge fan of Nissan products. Sorry for the Z fans. I test drove a 2019 WRX and it did not feel exciting to me.... the little Civic Si felt like more fun.. This was a couple years back so not sure what the current 2022 stuff is like. The 2018 VW GTI felt way more fun .. but somewhat skeptical of the VW brand.
I had every generation Integra. From an 87 RS to a 94 GSR 4 door. I love them. Simple, fun, and won't give you too much trouble on the road.
This channel is something else, I mean great job. Bravo from Slovakia !!!
The worst part for me is they focused so much on the exterior styling and yet I feel the new civic looks better. The civic is reserved, handsome, and futuristic while the Integra looks like it could have come out in 2013.
I thought the new civic has 80s vibes to it including the interior which is definitely not futuristic
Seriously, how can the current civics look so good while the Acura's currently look so bad. Baffling
@@donmillican510 80s vibes were/are futuristic
@@Cichlid_Visuals for their time
totally agree with you here. The Civic looks really good and fresh. The Integra looks...alright, but kinda straight out of past design language. The Civic looks better by a decent margin.
People were expecting the Integra to be something above and beyond the Civic, mechanically, and it's not...understandably given today's market and limited resources. So...maybe the Integra is destined to fail? I think it might, sadly.
I love how Savagegeese can deliver the most detailed yet entertaining video to watch. This is without the BS sponsorship cuts and stupidness of other top youtuber videos.
Keep it up!
I love watching your reviews. I can’t even afford half these cars because I just got my license and the insurance is a boatload. But mark my words when I can buy something I’ll have all the knowledge thanks to you guys
I go back to the OG Gen 1 Integra; a 1987 and the first new car I ever owned straight out of college. I _LOVED_ that car. I think this car is a worthy successor. Well done.
You can tell they really put effort into designing the blandest-looking car of the 2020s
AGREED! I don’t care if they call it, it looks lame. The proportions are all off. Not sleek. Chunky
@@rickhunter6513 yup. They fumbled the task. They had one job. And they failed 😂😂😂
Zero passion in the design of this car
It was a copy and paste design. Acura acts like they put a lot of time and effort into this design. Looks like a frigging ILX. Too bad because they did a nice job on the TLX
I mean I like this way more than BMW's new 2 Series, 7 Series and iX, by a big chunk
Wow, no way, it's 5% stiffer? That's amazing, good job Acura! 😀😆
2%
The suspension parts are 1.7 percent lighter. !!! My god that almost half an ounce
hands down, best auto channel period Well done!
Amazing work on this segment 🙏🏼
This car feels a lot like the first year ILX. It was an Si replica with softer edges. At the end of the day, it just wasn't enough to get people excited about buying it and the manual was killed off. Fascinating that they didn't learn from that car. Also now I'm questioning the role of the ILX.
Yea lol 😂 idiots think ppl want to pay 35-40k for a manual integra… give them a Type S!
I’m still driving my ‘06 CSX: the ILX wasn’t an improvement on that.
@@KuyaArbee 😂 Most people don’t have Type-S money in the first place.
The '23 Integra is so ugly. And not just because it's called an Integra and not similar. End of the day, it's extremely lazy. The points that I could be swayed on are that it's ugly but I have not seen it in person. The ILX looks great, it just has a bad interior.
They should have just built a new gen of ILX updated the interior and it would have sold better. At best, this would be the ILX Hatchback.
@@jalopy2472 Unfortunately I don’t think they have much room. Between rising cost of their end, new government regulations, and meeting consumer demands.
Likely the real reason cars are starting to come with less content and quality then previous models.
"We were given a powerful tool, a blank piece of paper" He says positively. But I think that is why everyone is upset.. They did almost nothing design wise (other than the embedded logo) to give it Integra style. That 'shovel digging' front line along the side is NOWHERE near the look of the original.
Has nothing to do with the business side. They could have kept ALL the tech, weight, frame, even the 4 doors! All they had to do was design an exterior that had more cues. THATS IT! That was the big failure, has nothing to do with dollars. I mean, Dodge did it well with the Challenger, and that's a cash cow for them!
I agree. How hard would it have been to style it wit a few nods to the old Integra the same way other car companies have done? They are lazy and lack vision. It's just an ILX. All they did was stamp the word Integra into the bumper, big deal.
@@himura357 yep! Agree w you 100%!
A blank sheet, and they copied/traced 85-90% of the Civic/Si (sedan) lights and grill were changed to fit in the family and the rear was redone to incorporate the lift back. Everything else was ripped from the Civic, probably right down to lca bushing hardness. Blank sheet and they chose to copy. Yay internal corporate politics...
@@K03sport They made it 2% different LoL
That’s why they failed with the new Nsx as well. Not even a hint of the classic.. the designers are truly stupid.
For me this vehicle launch feels like the "mustang" mach-e. A marketing team that doesn't care about cars just slaps a name on the back of the car to hope it improves it's sales numbers. I think the new "Integra" would've done better with another name like ILX Type S or something like that.
it's a great car!
Superb video as always Mr.Geese!
25 minutes and 22 seconds of just straight up good and thorough content.
As someone whose been scouring RUclips for any new Integra content in the last few months, this was really enjoyable.
Keep up the amazing work
No one cares about this ilx integra
@@ztotheu2974 someone cares enough to watch a 3 week old video and respond to a comment lol
@@vnsn_ngyn I just saw this pop up on my feed actually. You're right, your mom and the marketing department at Acura are the only ones who care.
It's *really* strange to me that, despite mentioning keeping their finger on the pulse of the industry, they still took an iconic name that millennials look back on fondly... and styled it like an ILX. I'm already imagining a future electric S2000 that's a four door hatch somehow.
We got the Mustang Mach E and the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross, why not the Honda S-ev-2000
Oof yea Honda/Acura is really out of touch
The S2000 will somehow morph into a 2 ton CUV with a convertible roof and CVT. Acura will wonder why it does not sell.
The ILX is a narrow, ungainly four-door sedan and this is a moderately sleek four-door liftback. I don't see much resemblance.
@@nathanielross8232 Why current S2000 prices are also going through the roof. Everybody knows Honda can't design a good car anymore
best car videos (or content of any type) on the interwebs anywhere currently. thanks guys
Love your vids guys. Best around for sure
The 0 to 60 seemed like an eternity
0 to 60 in 2 to 3 working days.
This is why I love this channel, amazingly insightful interviews with well thought out questions to the people who try to fulfill our car dreams, and then a dive into an honest take on the product... Keep it up gentlemen!
Beautiful video as usual! Just curious, how's the NHS compared to the 2022 Honda Civic Touring? Not sure if it's just the microphone but the cabin seems particularly loud. Thanks again
I love watching your reviews.
Consistently impressed with the production quality of these videos. Excellent interview, as well. Something we almost never see in other forms of car media.
Neighbour has a 2019 Honda Accord that looks exactly like this inside and out with a 6 speed manual and 252hp. Not sure what he paid but I'm positive it was less then this waste of groceries
Awesome reviw, thank you.
I’ve been waiting for this!
Thank you Acura for making my 2000 GSR worth more and more every day!
lmao
Now that's a car!!! Let's go back to that time!
I owed the 97 GSR. Love it. This new design is not even close to the older ones. Looks like a sedan to me.
250k miles
Needs motor rebuild
i think one the CV joints are bad
$5k
No low balls
I know what I have
@@Real-Americans-For-Trump-2024 to be fair. Does the 2022 civic resemble a 1999 civic? Like at all?
consumers: "We hate this and its too expensive for a civic si"
Acura: "see no one wants fun manual cars anymore!"
I can already see it now
The type r will save us. I hate that we will never get another s2k.
I mean scrolling through the comments you see more people complaining about it not having a DCT, instead of having the CVT. And nobody is talking about it having a manual.
If I'm honest, I could understand your interpretation right there.
@@RCXDerp I'm not gonna say anything, but Honda could do what Fiat did with the 124Spyder, just make a modded mx5 nd. Could slap
Expensive? This is the same price as the Integra has always been adjusted for inflation. What is the last car you bought new?
So true! If manufacturers aren't going to invest the time to make the manual version engaging to drive then just don't make the manual, but stop blaming sales on the buyer when the manufacturers are the ones failing to show up with a proper driver's car.
Great review .. the questions at the start were very relevant 💪🙂
Song playing at 11:00 , "Let me down easy". Love it.
So Elantra N if you want to have fun, accord sport if you want to be quick and comfy. Integra and SI are kinda lost IMO.
If Honda took the Elantra N and slapped the old Integra body on that, OUFF..
I think Acura is deploying these engineers to speak on behalf of the company to sort of save this cars reputation before it hits the market. I think people are underwhelmed and can see through the act, that its just a Grand Tourer civic. They really are the same car, and acura/honda intentionally held out on the new Civic so that they could better sell the Integra.
That’s what it seems like mabe they’re anticipating poor sales
And most earlier Integras were just modestly restyled Civics. Very few were true performance cars.
@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 Cause they know they have a loser on their hands. Smh.
@@markmiller3279 absolute 🧢
100% this is a bland looking car compared to the previous models.
Based on my past with 80's and 90's compact car import automotive and street car battles; Mark sold me the 2018 Honda Civic Si. This past January, a truck rear-ended and totaled the Civic SI. With the car economy as it is and the dying manual transmission culture, no 4 door sedans with mt were available except one Acura Integra. I trust Mark's input because I fact-checked him over the years. Mark sold me the Acura Integra I have today. I am pleased with the 2023 Integra, especially considering the current automotive world as a whole. Thank you for all the hard work in research and composing it into a successful sales pitch. Go collect your commission from Acura. You deserve it, Mark.
Can't wait to see the review of this car and see what Jack's thoughts are. Seeing how much issues he had with the Si.
I remember the old Integra as being a bulletproof car when bulletproof cars weren't common. 😂 These things kept going!
Those days are long gone. Both Honda and Toyota have fallen dramatically from their peak of reliability in the 90's.
Memories are highly selective. We had a 1994 Civic EX and it was a highly reliable car for its day. Stuff still broke regularly. Our current Elantra has been much more reliable than that Civic ever was. Consumer Reports agrees, btw. They alao think cars have become consistently more reliable. The biggest change has been in engines, which hardly ever have problems anymore.
@@nodak81 the jdm models we get in nz haven’t, they more reliable than the 90s stuff
@@nodak81 I think you're wrong, and that is because the K series is a great motor, and overall chasis parts have become more reliable. I have owned many Hondas since 1994. Some of the newer parts hold up very well, and no longer is the worry about the timing belt. I see many 400-500,000 k series motors. We also just sold an Accord with a J35 and its surpassed 300,000 miles.
You guys deserve huge accolades for the quality of work you put out. so good.
Agreed.
Another outstanding review by SG. Straightforward, seemingly unbiased, well done fellas.
Excellent insight
Thanks for having the actual product people explain why I'm not interested in this new Integra.
Be honest, there’s just not enough here to justify it over the civic si. It should of had the 2.0t out of the box.
Maybe the completely different looks and more room
@@xL0stKIlah completely different looks? You mean the grill that looks like some sort of posh necklace? And the curvy taillights that don't mesh with the rest of the design at all? Yeah that does compel me to buy it over the civic.
I do prefer liftback to sedan, though
AGREED? The exterior design is very nice and I like it but the 2.0t is a better option. I'm still not convinced nor have I heard or seen any compelling arguments/research that the 1.5t is not plagued of oil dilution.
Type S it'll come. If they brought the 2.0T in at 35k It would be a direct competition to the type R. Yes I know this is a CTRL C CTRL V of Si. But you add luxury, hatch, comfort, and styling (subjective on styling) That's where you get 7K over the Si. You put the 2.0T and it's a no brainer to take the Integra over the Type R let alone the Si. Unless your a diehard autocross/track day enthusiast you'd take the Integra over the type R. If they put the 2.0T in, the MSRP would be around 40-42K(which is where i expect the Type S to fall). If the base started at 40K, your in TLX, Z, Mustang GT, past GR86, past WRX, past GR corolla. A 2.0T base integra was never in the cards. You have to price your product so you compete with other brands, but not yourself. Acura has to be absolutely hating themselves though with the GR Corolla coming at 30k with 300hp 273lb. Ft of torque. Acura messed this up. I have a friend who is an engineer for Acura who has his hands in the Integra (Type S, but he won't confirm. We all know it's coming) and NSX Type S and they're his babies. Even he'll admit they missed the mark the the Integra.
5 days in and really enjoying my 2023 Elite a spec Canada 🇨🇦 version and don't have any negative, even my 16 year old son fits in front or back behind his mom comfortably as day of purchase in Toronto we drove home to northern Ontario over 700 kms and no complaints. My first car in 1998 was a 1992 white 4 door all blue interior Integra which I loved and lots of fun. My mom still has her 1999 red 2 door she drives occasionally. I enjoy this new car for what it is , not what my memory is of old car as it's impossible to be similar, however, both are fun in their time.
Really looking forward to the long-term review of this. Hope I can get my hands on this or a good civic in a few years.
I love these combined new/history videos you're doing for some of these old badges. You boys rock.
Excellent video.
It's an Si in a tuxedo. Fine, but I want the base Integra at $30k with the manual transmission. Since neither Si or Integra are fast I'm leaning towards a Civic Sport hatchback with a manual for under $25k. NA engine, rides better than the Si, practical.
They managed to put it in the cheapest ugliest tuxedo they could
Reading all the reviews and seeing all videos. My wife had a 93 intgra GS 4door and she loved. She never stops talking about it. Now she's exciting about this one, in asked to wait one more year. Aye...
Great production excellent! Just a question are you using a skydio drone for those great shots?
Funny how they didn't include the Genesis G70 2.0T in that chart lol. More power, actual luxury, more features and tech, etc...and the turbo 2.0T in the Genesis is covered under warranty for 10 years / 100K miles.
This, why waste money on this hopped up Civic when you can get an actual nice car, RWD with more power, for the same price?
But no manual, and the manual they did have a couple years ago sucked, according to nearly every review.
G70 is more of a TLX competitor
@@rahimi4762 Based on the price range and what you get for the money, the Genesis G70 > the 2023 honda integra.
@@rahimi4762 That's true, but you gotta consider price competitors as well as configuration
They say that they invest a lot to make this new Integra, but really its just reskin of the civic, all the mechanical changes are minimal, 5% stiffer than the civic hatch, cool probably just did that with some extra bracing underneath, its really not that extra compare to the civic but theyre saying its a revolution like they spent $$$$ to develop it
its okay for them to share civic parts since the integra have always been a lightweight more focus 2 door civic sports car for this to be a fucking 5 door hacthback is pure bs to the integra name
@@patthonsirilim5739 I was there in the late 90s when that Integra type R was around. And I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you but you rarely saw those. Most of the ones you actually saw on road were five door hatchback’s.
@@1scubas2 The first gen integra was the only one released as a five door hatchback. Past that, the coupes were three door hatchbacks, and the sedans had a standard trunk. There was no five door hatchback in the late 90s when the Type R was around.
@@patthonsirilim5739 integra was always available as a 4 door sans the 4th gen. Given the current market and the fact that honda/acura doesn't currently have a coupe body style in production this makes the most sense. If coupes still sold well Honda wouldn't have killed off the Accord and civic coupes.
"They say that they invest a lot to make this new Integra, but really its just reskin of the civic".
That's what my '87 Integra was -- a Civic Si with a bit more refinement. This is the mainstream model, not a Type S or Type R. It's fine for what it is meant to be.
As a sidenote I bought a Gen I Acura Integra LS with the 5SPD MT (from Acura of Santa Monica CA) back in the day and just like todays Integra it seemed more like a luxury version of a Civic. I use to be an IT Project Manager for Honda at their Torrance CA HQ and could have purchased the later Type-R Integra for a good price ... but who new ... now I drive a 21 Ridgeline and am considering purchasing and Integra or the sportier SI ... Great Job guys ... Thanks Keith Algonquin IL
I have driven a bunch of the newer Honda products and I agree with Mark, they lack a certain "feel" to them that almost all modern cars lack.They're better on paper in every area over the older generation but there isn't the same level of feedback and feeling to them. Honda, still makes a sporty feeling car relative the rest of the industry and thankfully is keeping the manual transmission available for us psychos that will daily drive with one. I have 152k miles on my 2015 Honda Fit 6 speed. I love it but it doesn't feel like my old Civic. I think the best comparison is to look at cars like this vs what else is CURRENTLY available. If you compare it to the cars of the late 90s and early 00s, you'll be disappointed. Great video as always, my favorite car content on here.
At that much of a price jump I would have expected an engine that's a little less anemic. I agree completely about the need for a "Type S", but it'd need to be at the current top price at the highest.
Love the channel, you guys are easily my most preferred auto review source with your consistent production quality, breakdowns, and perspectives.
Interview with the Acura apologist was painful. Conclusion, a highly optioned civic; a swing and a miss.
Many of their vids lately have been using PR videos. I always skip that part. I just want an honest no holds barred review. Not PR fluff.
Rolled out the black guy as cannon fodder too
When the 1986 Integra was launched, it was basically a Civic Si with a bit more refinement. So this is a faithful recreation of that. If you don't want a Civic SI with a bit more refinement, then don't buy the Integra.
Didn't you hear him it's 6 inches longer that totally makes it better and more sporty.
By far the best review of this car.
Great video. The rear roofline still looks a little off to me, though the overall look has become more attractive to me since the original release photos.
It’s a rebadged civic si. It’s an ILX. Yes the integra was always based on the civic but it was not a rebadged civic. The integra had its own looks, interior, and engine.
Dont forget its got the cvt from the base civic….
200hp is fine for the base Integra, the biggest disappointment is the CVT. For real enthusiasts, the Integra Type S will be the one to get. At the end of the day, this new base engine Integra is a direct replacement to the old 140hp base Integra
My 1987 Integra had about 113 hp.
@@M1911jln exactly my point, the base Integra has always been sort of “underpowered.” People are expecting an Integra Type R right out the gate and this car is not that, it’s simply the base engine, the Type S will come later.
@@drivescene6747 I'd put it slightly differently. The base Integra has always been sporty, but not fast. I wouldn't call it underpowered, but it wasn't blistering fast, nor was it meant to be. It was meant to be enough for the average person to have a little fun on their normal daily commute. In the new Integra, the 200 hp engine is more than enough. As you said, a Type S or Type R may come later, but this is the base, mainstream model.
@@M1911jln EXACTLY
Counterpoint: the cvt provides the best fuel economy, and the ability to keep full boost at all time when accelerating. Dual clutch would have been realllly nice, but I think a cvt for stop and go traffic might be better.
Beautiful update to the Honda Crosstour!
Nice to see a brotha involved in the car world in a position that matters!
Great review as always. Information-dense and honest in its critiques while still being fair to the manufacturer. It's not a car I'm interested in at all but it was nonetheless a review I really enjoyed watching, as I always do with this channel.
Big branding error. And unfortunately, I think even Acura knows it now. BTW, we own an ILX, and people seem to be knocking it, but if you want a more upscale, adult and plusher version of a Civic it fits the bill perfectly. It was exactly what we needed. There are very few good sedans out there, and the ILX price point is something of a bargain these days. A big 2.4L naturally aspirated four, quiet and refined. No CVT, either. Not a bad car at all.
I agree I think the ILX is very underrated and nails a lot of the key things a buyer in that segment would be looking for. You're also going to save in maintenance costs over the Germans.
Too bad Acura got rid of literally your whole list of positives from the ILX. Tiny, high strung turbo, CVT, much higher price point for the supposedly desirable models. Oof.
@@KC-lg8qf Bigly.
Marc did make a good point tho when he mentioned that the standard 4 door Integra when first released was nothing special. Integras only became infamous with the 2 door versions and Type S. It could very well be the case with the new model if Honda goes down that road..
Hey have you guys ever checked out the ILX that the integra replaced? Curious what your thoughts are on that model
I imagine they will sell dozens of these
The thoughts on the type-S is really interesting. I figured Acura would have slapped a 2.0t into the integra with a 10speed. But the enthusiasts would definitely want a manual that simply isn't in production right now unless you give it some Type-R suspension to go with it. And at that point, I guess, just get a type r
I wouldn't be surprised if Acura does release a Type R version after a few years to give the Integra sales a boost after the initial sales wanes.
Exactly!! This Integra is just a massive flop theres nothing exciting about it or that it does better than the competition… nothing justifies buying this or makes me even want to buy it… I dont really like how it looks, it weighs a lot and has shit dimensions, I could care less about the tiny 4 cyl engine, no manual, not fast, engine sounds like crap… I would be fine if the price was lower and then they really went all out for a type S and a type R… but they would really need to do something crazy for the Type R if they do release a Type R model bc honda/acura the past 10 years IMO has just been so forgettable if it wasn’t for the civic Type R (which I dont really care for that much anyways). I’d rather get a V8 with a proper manual like the newer Camaro ZL1 or Mustangs or just get a Audi/BMW/AMG. If Honda went back to its roots and made a crazy 9k RPM 4 or 6 cyl engine with a DCT or manual and gave it anywhere from 200-500 horsepower I would seriously want one but truthfully I dont care for any of there current engines.
@@panthersfan8494 that won't happen with average mpg regulations increasing basically phasing out NA engines unless high displacement
They can use 2.0T 6MT from the Accord.
@@YasssStitch - except honda dropped MT from the accord in the usa a few yrs ago. If accord was still MT, I’d be looking at those for my next purchase.
Is the non-Si Civic just as comfy riding over bumpy roads as the Integra set in comfort mode? Or even smoother?
How well will the dash hold up compared to the past is what I would like to know
They can use the 2.0 engine from the Accord/TLX/RDX and de-tune it to 240hp/220TQ and call it the Type S. There' is absolutely no reason to get this over the Civic Si.
there are many reasons to get this over the Si, did you not watch the video? Go back and watch it.
@@bt7482 LOL?
@@bt7482 wrongggggggg, really there’s no reason. Not for anyone with half a brain anyway.
Doesn't the Civic Si only come as the "sedan" or what ever that quasimodo is?
@@bt7482 watched it, no reason
My 1996 GSR has an engine that only came on an Acura in America and the 170hp only moves 2,643lbs. The VTEC is a joy to drive as it comes into its own between 4500 and 8000 rpm. The 2023 "Integra" is the best ILX ever
I think they were trying to top Toyota's failure of capitalizing on the Supra name. Acura said HOLD MY BEER🍺
@@jamesmedina2062 funny how they could fail even worse than a Toyota made by BMW. At least the BMW built Toyota is cool looking and fast.
@@JgWerd it just has the wrong name but of course how could these clowns NOT be so unwise to dig up a legendary name and stick it into the newest bloated Civic? Like I said, stupidity has no bounds. 🤦🏻♂️Yes the Supra looks good too and the pencil pushers have gotten a clue on transmission choices too. Thank Nissan for that!
@@jamesmedina2062what do you think the integra was
yeah and most other integras had 140hp non vtec motors and an automatic slushbox with cloth seats
Nice video, more car makers should speak about their cars like jon does here
Appreciate the detail and discussion on this. As a 90s kid, it's hard to see "Integra" and not associate it with a performance vehicle. To be honest, I was hoping for a more enthusiast oriented package similar to a Civic Type-R with a 2.0L turbo under the hood. Add some better materials inside to live up to the Acura brand and you'd have something that would compete well with the GTI and Elantra N. At this price point, I'd just expect a bit more.
the Integra always was a slightly luxurious entry level Acura commuter. the fanbase are the ones who made it seem like it's supposed to be a performance car.
The dumbest decision was to put a CVT…… instead of a traditional 8 or 10 speed automatic transmission……. They had an 8 speed DCT… in the ILX…. Why didn’t Acura give it a proper automatic transmission as an option…. Smh 🤦🏼♀️ a tarted up bigger civic 🤦🏼♀️ if I still liked sedans then sure! But damn Acura really F*cked up with the decision of using a CVT
Hey that’s me at 3:55 ! My stance has since changed on it and I really like the car now. Of course i’d love a coupe version with higher redline, etc. But i’m glad they’re offering this 5 door version how it is.
What would you choose a Mazda 3 Turbo or the ASpec? .... Or hold for a Type S? Hate the CVT, hoping for that 10 speed auto ...
Great video. Sadly, what I think most ppl were expecting. Regarding your final thoughts, what about the Alfa Romeo Giulia's i4? I think that car has quite a bit of soul and is fun to drive.