2023 Acura Integra vs Honda Civic Si - Worth the $10k Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 2023 Acura Integra VS 2022 Honda Civic Si review by The Straight Pipes. The Acura Integra and Honda Civic Si are both putting down 200 horsepower and 192 lb-ft of torque from a 1.5L Turbo 4 Cyl. At $33,750 & 42,550 CAD, would you take it over the Integra over the Civic Si?
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@@cowmath77 Extreme Contact Sport sounds like it's right up your alley
The integra feels faster because it has more power. Honda claims the same power for both, but tuning is slightly different and the civics dyno at 221 at the engine and the integra did 234 on hondatas stock base run
I live in the USA, can I buy a civic in Canada?
0:00 music name? thanks!
Is the new Integra overpriced? Yes. Did I just buy the manual Integra this past weekend anyway? Also yes.
*plays that tiktok where Jonah hill is dancing in the club*
@@TheStraightPipes I can’t unsee this
Enjoy!
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Why spend so much more money for the same car
For the price point of Integra, it needs a few more features such as ventilated seats and rear AC vents, and perhaps pano roof.
it DOESNT have those? thats insane for the highest trim price, the point of this thing is to undercut european luxury brands for value but they miss features in a accord or camry?
Honda and Acura are notorious for adding in expected features like rear vents during a mid-cycle refresh, like the 2G TSX. I'm convinced that it's not worth buying a Honda until its refresh year because historically the last two years of most recent Honda models are significantly better than the first two.
AWD as well
@@B-rad1 That is a great point.
Yeah like legit those features would be a HUGEEE bonus. Just rear vents lol
If u want an old integra - they’re pretty cheap at $90k. 😂😂😂
The funny thing is the new civic or integra would much better cars to drive than the old integra, so forget about nostalgia and keep your money and buy the new and vastly improved Hondas
@@shane6115 still not a real type R
@@miltongimenez45 Type Rs are gonna be going for 60k. At that point I'm getting the manual Supra. lol
@@shane6115 Only USDM Integra Type Rs with low mileage are going for those kinds of prices. I bought my '94 Integra with a B18C5 swap (Type R engine) for $1k from a friend. I also own a 2024 Civic Si and while its smoother, torquier and more comfortable to daily, the DC Integra is just so much more fun to drive. The double wishbone suspension makes the DC feel planted to the ground, and the visibility is a lot better since the pillars are a lot smaller (not that visibility is important when you have blind spot monitoring and a reverse camera). Not to mention the natural sound of the B series VTEC instead of pumped in audio from a speaker. You get a better driving experience with a 90s Honda, but a more comfortable experience with a modern Honda.
@@shane6115super facts. Everyone talks how much they love seeing the old integras. After having owned 5, let me tell you, they’re not comfortable, not quiet, not practical, very cramped, not very safe, not very fast, but I got compliments all the time. My thoughts were, everyone loves to see you own certain cars, but they would never own it. Why? Look at what I just mentioned. But it’s so awesome if YOU own it!
That’s why I upped, sold my shit, and purchased a new civic like a big boy who doesnt like having to angle around speed bumps every day, be under his car every weekend, and be pushing a car 20+ years old with terrible amenities.
I'm picking the Civic Si over the Integra, even though I am a former Integra owner , 1st gen '89. The Acura is WAY too much money for not nearly enough different, better, than the Honda. And the Civic looks better, the Acura is just trying too hard to not look like a Honda.
I love the looks of the Si but I went to the dealer and they are asking 41K USD, no way i’m paying that much for an Si.
@@collinhayle, Totally agree bro. I went to Honda as well to talk about trading my FK8 for the new Type R. The manager told me $41K to 43K Msrp but I'll be looking at $54K to $57K out the door. Not happening. Almost 60K for a Civic. The world is F'ed very badly and so are we
@@collinhayle smart choice, prices will come back down to earth in a year or two anyways. buying a car in current year is basically tossing your money in a dumpster fire.
Sometimes there are a couple good dealers, you just have to find them
This is America we pay for the brand before we pay for the product. Cuz clearly Integra and the Civic SI is the same freaking thing
I purchased a 6MT Integra. Oddly enough started looking at Sis but in my local Texas market my Integra was cheaper than an Si.
Excellent video as always. The decision is pretty simple: if you're younger than 35, get the Civic Si. If you're older, get the Integra. My adult son has had the 22 Civic Si for seven months and I've had plenty of opportunities to drive it. I took delivery of my new Integra (white A Spec 6MT) in early June (the first in the Twin Cities). The Integra is indeed slightly quicker. That's been confirmed by Hondata whose dyno rated it as having 234 HP (at the wheel, not the crank). The factory tune is more aggressive in the Integra. The Integra is noticeably quieter inside the vehicle. The Integra's sound system is infinitely better (ELS Studio nailed it). I personally think you're crazy for not noticing a suspension difference in the three different modes with the Integra's adaptive suspension (dampers). The Integra's seats are more comfortable, with lumbar and leather. The Integra's ergonomics are way better. My Orvis backseat seat cover for our dogs is too big in the Civic Si, but it fits perfectly in the Integra. It's a roomier car. Bottom line -- if you can swing it financially, the Integra is the better car and, in having as much time behind the wheel in both, it makes the Civic Si seem cheap. That's my honest opinion. Great video as usual, gentlemen. Oh and p.s., it must be lonely being a Lance Stroll fan...
Their dyno has to be a little optimistic, no way an integra puts down 35hp more than an Si in the same engine. Si usually puts down about 200 to the wheels. Unless the Integra is pushing over 19psi on the stock tune there is no way its up there, many of the 1.5T in real world conditions only hit like 16-17psi
I saw the first integra on the road yesterday the guy looked like he was driving a Ferrari , he was happy as hell 😂😂
As an Acura Integra owner with the 6MT, I absolutely love this car. I traded in the ‘22 Civic Touring for it because I was trying to find an Si for a reasonable price but the markups here in Colorado are unbelievable. That being said, the lumbar support, and the seats in the Integra benefit my back injury, the sound system, how quiet the vehicle is mostly, yes they are somewhat very similar but if you can snag either and don’t worry about money you won’t be missing out on either. I taught myself how to drive manual on it too and learned within 2 days! I love driving my car 🙌🏿
How much did you pay for it?
Interesting how the dealer markup closes the gap. I'd take the Integra too.
@@samster7959 I bought my Integra for MSRP. I love it. All of the little extras (especially the incredible sound system) and not having to deal with greedy Honda dealers made it an easy choice for me.
Spot on...without dealer markups, the Si is a better value. But even in the midwest nearly all dealers are charging $3-4k over MSRP, so I prefer the Integra 6MT. Will be trading in my 22 Si in few months when my Integra order arrives.
Went with the Integra 6MT in Apex blue for the same reason, dealers in SoCal were charging 15k,10k above MSRP on a civic SI lol
This is my first manual car as well. Picking it up a the dealer was kind of intimidating, but only stalled once. i have a couple weeks now and feel way comfortable drving now, pretty easy car to learn in. Although I still struggle with smooth transition point from 1st to 2nd :(
I took the Integra. Si with the markups vs Integra at MSRP was worth it. I wanted an Si hatch anyway, and while I didn’t need a lot of these extra features it will make it easier to live with for the next decade plus.
My local honda dealer has the Si marked up to $40k USD and wouldn't budge on price. So at that point..I was getting an offer for the Integra at less for the manual..
Shoutout to dealerships...
I got my '23 Integra 6MT in Liquid Carbon Metallic w/ the red interior. I came from the 2020 Si Coupe and wanted to uplevel the tech (wireless carplay, hud, memory seats) but didn't want to just get another Si (which I kind of did anyway). Fun way to switch it up stepping up to the Acura line, since the current Si markups eliminate the price difference anyways
Real world comment. 👍🏼👍🏼
Did you have to pay upcharge for your integra?
@@bobbylee337 no upcharge from my dealer which was great, but I optioned the hell out of it anyway
does the integra have lane keep assist?? my 2020 si does
@@baggedtuned8569 it does have lane keep assist. All the safety features are the same from my Si but you get the added parking sensors. I do miss my blind spot camera though!
The understeer at 0:16.. Honda should really go back to using double wishbone suspension
So many companies are cashing in on our nostalgia. I wish Honda did the same and brought back the DC2 or EK body with all the bells and whistles from the new integra. They can definitely take my money.
These are both incredibly nice. Since the US spec Si isn’t as optioned up, it helps support choosing an Integra over an Si if you want more features. I wouldn’t have a problem with either one- I’d choose black for the paint color regardless of model, but man it would be a tough choice, they’re both so good looking. Both interiors look great. I’d probably choose the Acura solely because it’ll be less common on the streets.
It's cheapened to the extreme the took so much that was standard away and still charged $2300 more with less horsepower than before.
The interior and exterior stylings is much improved however.
Almost every test show it as slower than before but more refined and fun to drive
Mainly because of the shifter clutch flywheel rev match and tuning.
Being the fastest is not necessarily better.
Cheapened the civic to make integra seem more premium.
Truly the top twi trims of integra need the accord 2.0 liter at their prices
I did pull the trigger on a manual integra and don’t regret it one bit. I just wanted a stick shift car that got great gas mileage but had more luxury features I was used to. Cost wasn’t much of a consideration for me. I certainly didn’t cross shop the two. Does it deserve 275hp…it would be nice yes but I have felt no need for more power. I think it’s very fun to drive. This is coming from someone who’s owned a couple mazdaspeed3’s, a lotus evora, a mustang GT and both a JK and JL rubicon. All sticks. Sorry I’m a father of three now…priorities change :)
I don't think you need to apologize/justify yourself dude 🤣. The folks who would chide you for it seem to think the Integra of old was a mystical ultra performance car and not a gussied-up 195 HP Civic. It's not a bad car, and it certainly looks nice on the inside.
They also apparently think 275 HP manual for 35k or less has no tradeoffs anywhere else whatsoever....
im sure 1-2 years after the type r the integra will get a type s (or r) with civic r features
The L15B7 is actually a very capable motor that’s extremely detuned from the factory. If you want more power a few years down the line then a reliable 275hp is achievable with a flash tune.
@@TylerN945 how to spot a fanboy, exhibit 1
@@IronGuardLegionnaire I just know my engines 🤷🏽♂️
I actually own a Toyota 86 with a turbo and I’m only making 360whp from my high compression 2.0 boxer without upgraded internals. I know people who’ve made a reliable 400whp/400wtq out of their stock L15s with a turbo upgrade and fuel system. It’s a great motor.
Love both of these but they are both fantastically hard to find and selling for so far over sticker… begs the question what’s even the point of buying a civic if youre already paying the dealer the equivalent of MSRP of the Acura.
This is why I bought the Integra. I was able to put down a deposit on Monday and drove the car off the lot that Saturday, and I paid MSRP for it. The Si has a long waiting list and the markup makes it almost the same price as the Integra. I love the car, it just needs new tires! These Contis are awful.
The integra is insanely overpriced. Should have 260-280 horsepower for the price tag. Even a GLI would be a far better buy than these.
I mean the Civic Si is marked up to the manual Integra MSRP over here in the Northeast, and haven't seen a new or used WRX being sold below that at dealerships either. Sure, the GLI...but then you'd own a GLI.... I don't want to sound glib, but I'd have to ask overpriced compared to what (else)?
I've test driven the same Integra and the GLI on the same day. Though both great, the Integra has a MUCH nicer interior, build quality and as we all know interior controls. As a daily driver the Integra is in my opinion the way to go. That said...I reserved a Type-R slot...
totally agree. Just watched the Hagerty drag between the Integra, GLI, and Elantra N. Wasn't even close. I'm just happy the Civic is finally decent looking
The Integra is a luxury car. If all you wanted was the sporty driving dynamics then just get an Si.
@@alexc7864 Yes, but then you could still save a considerable chunk of change by getting a manual Civic Sport Touring. Acura have positioned this so awkwardly
Thank you Jacob, for not copping out and actually picking a winner.
I enjoyed driving a new Si fairly recently but my biggest gripe was the need for more power. I can’t imagine paying $10k more for a slightly fancier version with the same underpowered engine. 🙃
The L15 that Honda uses does hobble the Civic Si. But I get why, they didn't want it to compete with the Type-R. And they also wanted to give us something sensible that has good economy to sporty feel trade off.
Yeahhh. it is kind of a known secret to Honda that they undertune these cars since those who buy them are going to tune them. Basic Phearable tune gives you close to 250 hp which reallly helps out. That's what I did with my 2020. Honda wants rock solid reliability and something that won't hurt Type-R sales. Great car all around and I'm glad I have a 2020 10th gen considering Honda got rid of all the 10th gen amenities in the 11th gen to sell more Integras in the US.
10k? You mean 2k. The marknup us HILARIOUS!
Honda has lost their minds. Their current Civic Si's in America isn't even worth more than $25K. Honestly, I wouldn't even pay more than 24K. Idc about the economy, supply and demand etc. It's bs.
It's a civic, Honda. Chill out.
Both are interesting. Growing up In the 90s I always remember both the civic and integra as exciting, fun and simple cars. Awesome to see Honda motors continue the civic/integra duo. We're all a little older now and seems like the integra is catering to us 40 somethings vs being the slightly racier option of the 2. Times change! Both seem cool. Nice work Jakob and Yuri. You guys are the best
the integra is interesting? /facepalm
you just watched a video showing you it is the exact same car.
I own a 2023 Integra, 6 speed and have put 5k miles on it in less than 3 months. It's a great car and of course it is because the Si that it's based on is an excellent car! People buy what they like, what they can afford, and what does it for them. This Integra isn't a lot of things, but it is a great total package. If you want to see true ownership perspective, check out my latest video! Great video guys!
Even after watching this video do you still think your car has stop and go cruise
@@davidcohen2762 Did you not hear him say “the manual doesn’t have the ability to stop itself.”? Comprehension is still an issue for you I see. I was done with you a couple weeks ago. Since then I’ve been to the Bahamas and completely forgotten about you little Dave. Continue thinking of me, bye now!
@@davidcohen2762 mine is the manual dummy, I mean David 🤣.
@@HKN_RealReviews i cant comprehend things but you said your car has that feature in YOUR video. After realizing ya dun goofed now ur tryna change the story. Thats why my comment is here, dont tell people to watch your video with inacurrate info and claim you never said it.
@@davidcohen2762 go back again and watch, or go to the comments on the video and read them again if it’s possible. If you don’t get that a manual transmission vehicle can’t have stop & go, just say that. At this point you’ve embarrassed yourself enough. You also said “no Acura has stop & go.” which was also dead wrong. Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself now three separate times. I feel for you.
Both are great choices and it's good that Honda is offering both. Wish the Acura came with an extra 10hp just to differentiate it a bit but I'd be willing to pay up for the extra features of the Integra.
On the dyno the Integra has 10 more lb/ft of torque, so there is that. 220/220 at the crank. The Si is 220/210 at the crank.
with them exactly the same, Honda saves (at least) $42M in federalization costs. This engine/chassis combo helps split the cost among two cars and is less of a hit on the bottom line. That's why we are seeing one engine/transmission combo per chassis. Higher volume vehicles (like pickup trucks) might see two or three combinations, but not always.
I’m through with clutch pedals. Acura is the reason I watched this video, and the only one of these I would consider.
You guys are killin' it. Loving the videos!!!
Ok so my take on this is,, I have always loved the Golf GTI. The MK8 GTI is the first GTI I hate, and its all because of the interior. A fully loaded GTI costs more than a fully loaded Integra. Taking the interior and sound system into consideration with the Integra and price, I would say the Acura is not overpriced and its a better car to the GTI hands down in terms of daily livability. Yes the GTI will out handle a Integra, but how often do you take your car to the limit vs how often do you interact with your interior climate controls and radio. My money says Integra if I wanted a GTI fully loaded or a Civic Si if I wanted a base GTI.
Gti is much faster than Integra too and you can have it with a DSG
@@sertyuhg yea I know it’s faster. My comment specifically said that it would out handle a Integra. But for daily livability the Integra interior wins and for me makes it a better car overall to the GTI.
@@lucaskowcz8437 honestly in the real world I care less and less about which is “faster” too. I could care less about 0-60 times or saving 10ms on a shift if the infotainment that use I everyday is infuriating.
I’d go Acura over a GTI too but still think for the money I’d rather have the Si
@@lucaskowcz8437 in your opinion
@@bfife22 sounds like you aren't into fun cars . The GTI is MUCH faster , handles much better , gets the same mileage and looks better . I dont understand what the hell people do in their cars that they need a giant screen with an "infotainment " system. I have android auto and use voice commands. I dont see how people would rather a remarkably slower car because of an infotainment system.
If I was in the market for a ~40k 6-speed manual I'd probably go with the Integra. I think it looks great, I love that it's available with the manual and I think the interior is just that much nicer to warrant the price bump. I don't love the new Civic look, but the Integra looks subtly mean.
Sti all day well I guess not any more rip sti
@@dayoftherope1690 Would rather a wrx than any of these.
@@Spiritcr1jsher That's actually what I drive which is why I'm not on the market for a new manual vehicle!
@@ThatGenericCanadian good choice . Awd , power , safety and similar money .
@@Spiritcr1jsher forgot one key aspect called reliability .lol
Doesn't matter who wins... The Civic Si is clearly the better deal by your wallet standards, and it's closer to it's roots than the ILX I mean Integra
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Nice
Probably the most fun I’ve had in a hatch since forever. Is it a fancy civic, sure. The amount of fun I get flying around a corner and accelerating is amazing. Plus the stares I get in this car and compliments are a nice extra to the speed. Came from a g35 so it may be less horse power but even more fun! 2024 a-spec integra owner
The civic si is crazy marked up at 40k, the integra is going for the same price
To me the luxury features of the integra make it worth it. Just test drove one recently and loved everything about it, especially the interior and sound system is amazing
Yep, the integra being more expensive on paper is a null argument in this market where civic si's can't be had without a markup but integras can. They're both the same price in my area.
All I want is an si hatchback, and if I have to pay $10k more to get it, then so be it
One of my friends is torn between a Civic Hatch Sport Touring and an Integra. Especially with the crazy markups of Civic's in our area. If you ever make that video, that would help him a lot in his decision making process
People forget that the original integra was just a nicer civic as well so I honestly understand what Honda did but hopefully the integra gets a type r or type s model as well.
It had a better engine different styling longer different interior.
2 or 4 doors.
@@Tigerex966 2 doors don't sell the fact still remains a stock 23 integra beats the type r integra of yester year with what only 5 more hp.
@@sspringss2727 its a self fulfilling prophesy like they had on hatches before.
Stop developing and improving them making them and then say they dont sell.
Dame thing is hapoening to sedans and. Manuals now and if governments get their way gas and hybrid cars as well.
@@Tigerex966 but the cars didn't sell numbers showed exactly that.
@@Tigerex966 The Civic also had a 2 door back then too, for that matter! 🙂
Tough choice but if I was going to I would take Acura just looks a little better from the outside
Why is the box test dead? Was honestly useful for someone that has to move seasonal decorations back and forth in those bins!
Here in Canada Camry V6 is about $1500 cheaper then A spec Intergra. Integra is just way too much money and then top of that maintenance will be more expensive even though it's the same car as SI. I will rather spend that money on type R if want manual or the V6 Camry.
On paper the Si is a better purchase but in the real world the Integra is better. Went into Honda for an SI and they were asking for 35k , went to Acura and the 6-speed Aspec was at at MSRP for 37k since it’s not as popular as the Si. Came home with the integra, better interior, ELS studio, hatch and a “luxury” brand was worth the extra 2-3k. Also the Si looks more juvenile.
I agree apart from "the Si looks more juvenile." I think it's rather conservative looking to be honest, especially in a plain colour like white, grey or black. I would go for the gold (orange?) as I think that looks great!
Nice video I LOVED the look and feel of the old school Integras.
Honda should rethink about Acura brand, feels like Honda line up is holding back on features because of Acura brand. Also Integra is not worth $10k difference maybe $2k -$4k differences would be understandable.
I don’t know about Canada but having to go through a dealer for a new car in America makes the actual purchase price a huge determining factor and as many have said Civic Si markups made choosing the Integra 6MT at MSRP a no-brainer for me.
A used, last generation SI is more than a new one.
I think dealer mark ups are prohibited in Canada, thankfully.
If that’s the case in Canada then the decision comes down to whether a person wants the cheaper base version of the 6MT model with no options which is a car that Acura doesn’t offer but in reality the Si is and fills that space, or a loaded up version of the same car with all the bells and whistles in the 6MT A-spec w/Technology. Smart move by Acura to avoid the redundancy and wasted cost to produce a base model that technically already exists under same the corporate umbrella imo.
I'm an teggy lover but man the new 2023 is not worth the price of an si. I'd rather get the si the new 2023 does not offer anything more than the si
I think the Intega interior is called "leatherette". Power driver seat, manual passenger seat. I prefer the looks of the Civic Hatch. Too bad they didn't do the Si as a hatch
in the USA it's WORTH IT! we get a heavily WATERED down version of the Si compared to Canada... plus the audio system alone is worth the upgrade! as well as Acura Jewel eye LED headlights
Canadian Civic Si is such a bargain
@@TheStraightPipes
Much more so than the US Si. The Canadian Market Si should have been the default equipment levels for all markets. The base Integra A-Spec should have also had a manual and LSD.
I've found the difference in price is actually closer to $4k.
Most Integras are getting sold at MSRP. I've yet to find an Si below $32k (USD).
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Every integra i’ve seen is actually under msrp by like $1k. Even the a spec w tech manuals. Can’t find a single si in any dealer though
My main reason for wanting the Integra is for the liftback trunk
Same here! although I got the Si anyway
I have the CVT and it is the best CVT I've ever experienced. As I get older, I am getting more and more distant from manuals. I'm loving my Integra! ❤️❤️❤️
I’m inclined to pick the new Teggy solely cuz of the leatherette* seats. Do I think the key differences are worth 10k? No, should’ve been ~5k as mentioned in the video. But the blatant disgraceful price gouging of the Si from Honda dealers everywhere in 2022 is off-putting compared to the minimal markup from luxury brands & I’d rather buy something at face value
I was just noticing how the ILX and previous Integras were based on the Civic but looked and performed completely different. The Integra now looks like a top trim Civic.
So great how both these cars are still made!
Acura could have given the Integra a measly 25 more hp reliably and it would have helped make that gap feel less big.
Agreed
Like they did with the 2.4 Honda Accord and 2.4 Acura TSX type S. Make the type S more powerful/ better so it’s worth the money
clearly they sucked at playing the numbers game. price, performance.
THANKYOU Yuri , Yes! Someone else who thinks the Gundam styled civic of yesteryear looks better!! 💪
Just the type r. Every other newer civic is better
After 500 miles in my 2023 LCM/Red Integra A-Spec Tech 6MT I think the real issue with the new Integra is that the powertrain at this point in time needed to be a variant of the current Accord Sport 2.0T engine, which would still allow for the upcoming Integra Type-S to use the current CTR 2.0T engine. Now my general feeling is that I wish I went for the 2023 TLX Type-S instead. I’m just older, more lazy, and the TLX Type-S is more my jam now, and it checks an awefull lot of my desired boxes in retrospect. For now though, I’ll enjoy the new Integra, it’s fun, it’s buttoned down, and it’s an engaging manual. And it’s a lot of work to daily to be honest. The car needs constraint shifting due to the short gears, a lackluster 200HP for todays car market, and the seats could be more comfortable and better air adjustable bolstered (best of both worlds, as it is I slide too much in the new Integra seats and I feel way too bolstered in the CTR seats, can’t just slide in and out of the car, I have to eject myself like a cassette tape from the 90’s first and air hover out, it’s horrible really for those who are in their 40’s plus) as in the current TLX Type-S. The stereo is stellar in both vehicles, the handling is exceptional in both, I think even nicer with the TLX’s SH-AWD and wishbone suspension, the TLX TS’s 355HP and Brembro brakes does not hurt, and then when you add in all the little Acura luxjury touches I just can’t go back to mere Civics and Accords anymore. While the TLX Type-S is heavy, and it’s saddled with a lazy AT, overall I think for normal street driving it’s the superior car, however you also pay more, but I think that’s worth the $17K-ish difference vs a new Integra. The TLX TS engine is a nicely engineered one with a lot of upgradable overhead and it has forged components. I just wish Acura would update the TLX Type-S so that it was a bit lighter, a bit more sporty on the AT, and have it so I have full manual control on the steering wheel paddles, no auto upshifting early or whatnot, or preventing me from going down to some gears when I want. All that said, the new Integra is way better to own vs a Civic Si, worth the $9K-ish more for the upgraded feature such as heated seats, full digital gauge display, the totally worth it sound system upgrade via ELS 3D, dual climate control, sun glass holders, auto seat backup when exiting, 12-way power driver seat with lumbar, power passenger seat, premium fake leather leather on the seats, a USB-C charging port (sadly not for audio in, that’s on the USB-A port, and wireless Apple CarPlay is sometimes buggy and lacks the audio quality of a cable), supremely useful hatchback utility, ambient door lighting accents inside, door a handle lighting outside, parking sensors (so useful it’s a must for me for now on, as is the other auto driving assisting tools such as auto collision breaking, cross traffic alerts, and adaptive cruise control), IMHO much superior external aesthetics, somewhat nicer interior quality (although this is minor as the Civic is so good now), Also, the new Integra clutch pickup point is totally undefined and is located way too high (too low is bad a well, this should be right in the middle and you should feel the clutch grabbing point), but it’s easy otherwise and you can adapt to it, change your seat position, but it is never going to be GR86 ideal position because of this, perhaps an aftermarket clutch can be set up to have a lower pickup point so you can make more use of your seat adjustments ETC. However while I’d rather have 2023 Integra A-Spec Tech 6MT over a 2023 Civic Si, I’d much rather have a 2023 CTR or a 2024 Integra Type-S over the Civic Si based “regular” Integra, and there is also the 2023 Accord Sport 2.0T 10-speed AT, and again the 2023 TLX Type-S, and those latter two will have more satisfying engine power and be less work with the 6-speed ATs. Outside of Honda/Acura I would like to try the GR Corolla, and explore other brands and vehicles more. I’m not a fan of Hyundai car interior quality, and the exterior looks, sorry Elantra N, but perhaps Genesis could change my mind one day with a revised G70, if I can get myself to feel good about the resale values and reliability of Korean brands. And I’ll have to check out some others as I said. I’m not rushing my next car choice, I had to jump into something fast this time around due to a lack of a primary vehicle. So for that the new Integra was nice and not too expensive of an investment for me. I’ll be out of it in 1-3 years no doubt as I pick out a nicer more perminate vehicle. My 25 year old last self would have loved this new Intergra to bits, back then we didn’t have a Civic Type R.
Tbh it doesn't even need the 2.0T, but now that the next-gen Accord doesn't get it, that Idea makes a lot of sense. The 1.5T can handle a good bit. They easily could of made the Si/Integra in the GTI's ballpark with a better tune and the Type-R's clutch.
@@DragonKnightX12kudos to you for reading all of that.
Type S coming out soon!
Currently driving a 22 SI, just saw a CTR at dealership, clutch was so much heavier i walked away before even entertaining it. No doubt it's better but it's not gonna be easier to drive than an SI/Integra
Honda Civic + dealer "add ons" and "market adjustment....$33k USD. Certified Preowned Integra A-Spec Tech with 4500 miles....$36k USD. The choice was easy for me.
Dealers want $37k OTD for the Si so just get the Integra A Spec Manual
Problem is dealer are NOT selling at MSRP here in the US. Also the Civic lacks many features here in the US.
I purchased the GTI instead
I’ll accept the 1.5L 4-cylinder with a CVT in the new Acura Integra. But I truly hope they put an improved version of their torque converted 8-Speed DCT in the Type-S variant… now that would be an insane combo.
No one should accept a CVT unless they are dead inside.....
No performance car should have a CVT
@@based_will L🤣L!!!
DCTs in general are a dying tech and the Honda DCT in particular is already dead - they haven't put it in anything new since the mid-2010s. However, it's inexcusable they didn't find a way to fit their amazing new 10-speed in the Integra.
It’s A -line now
BMI font - to the very heart! That's why I love you guys!
I LOVED the look and feel of the old school Integras. This new one just doesn't have the same magic :(
did you drive one? It drives great
As an owner of an 8th gen si, I feel you here. The older cars were more of a thrill. Higher revs. Louder interiors. Bumpier rides. New cars, in general, are so filled with electronics it’s hard to “feel” anything anymore.
@@ka124as Ever drive the old ones? They were slow shitboxes.
@@TeamGun u dont know shit
@@josedusol Sorry I guess you think 140hp is fast, my bad I mean compared to your bicycle I guess? 🤣🤣🤣
Maaaan...that intro by itself deserves the like!
I went with the Acura top trim with 6 speed manual. Nice upgrade from a 2019 civic lx sedan lol
Wings West! OMG, I forgot about that bodykrap company. Fantastic comparo, guys.
Another great video from you guys! Kinda confusing from Honda though. They killed off the RSX/Integra in 2006 because they didn't want it to cannibalize the Civic. Then they do this 17 years later with little differentiating the 2 cars and still the same ~200hp since my high school days? lol
Something you guys didn’t mention, the integra will be a more unique car, look at the 10 gen civic you can find one at every corner and 20 of them at any car show
That's because the 10th gen been around for sometimes and they are everywhere. Give it a few years and you'll see an Integra in every fucken corner.
Acura can learn a thing from Hyundai/Genesis lol
Lmao! Were you trolling about the shift knob?? Got me rolling. Lol “it’s what I’m touching” hence the difference. Lol
Wait I just realized you guys aren't doing the box test anymore. I don't know why I didn't catch that sooner, but why did it stop?
With the kids and locations we use there’s no way to film it
@@TheStraightPipes damn... RIP Patreon box test 2016 - 2022 😭😭
New Hondas in the San Francisco Bay Area where I live are all marked up minimum $3,000! I was looking for a new car for my girlfriend - she liked the accord/Civic tourings, but with the markups we couldn’t justify spending that much more for a Civic or Accord. I took her to check out the Integra afterwards and she immediately fell in love. She picked up a Liquid Carbon Metallic A-Spec Technology package 2023 Acura Integra for $36,000. The Civic she wanted would have been the same price, and the Accord over 40k. It was a win all around because the Integra is unique, more premium all around, the Hatchback is a HUGE plus, the sound system is incredible, and most importantly to her she doesn’t feel like she’s driving a car everyone has. It’s a special car to her, and after driving it myself it’s just such a good car to drive. It feels more premium to me that you guys lead on, the details in the Integra are better executed even if I do like the look of the Civics long vent more. All in all the Integra is an amazing car, it stands out in the sea of Hondas and Toyotas
With the dealership markups on the SI they are the same price.
I can find a Manual Integra at MSRP easy but SI you are looking at a 5-10k markup.
Tsp.truecar.com
Also important to note that the CIVIC has built in nav but the Integra does not.
As someone who has never use built in NAV successfully I wouldn’t worry about it
@@TheStraightPipes I think it's because they both have Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. So u don't have to worry too much about the built in NAV system...
@@jonlosito2004 Built-in Nav is an advantage if you tend to go places that has poor cell reception
@@madbikes Great point
I dislike when car companies remove things that everyone knows they could easily add in entry level models just to try and sell you up to higher priced models. you're paying a little more than a sonata for a slower speed, less features, worse warranty, worse... almost worse everything tbh, cooler seats tho ill give it that.
Both seem great, but in the US since the Si here is missing things, I'd go for the Integra. I may be looking at buying one in the coming months.
For me, personally, I have a thing with parking and wanting to be absolutely sure I'm not going to hit someone else's car while turning into a parking space (it's why I currently have a subcompact, the 2016 Scion iA/Mazda2 with stick). The Si here doesn't include parking sensors, which makes it a no-go for me, but the Civic Sport Touring hatch and the Integra do. I honestly couldn't care less about the heated seats since I'll never use them, but the (dealer installed) option for a heated steering wheel in the Integra is a huge deal. Basically, my body never needs more heat, but my hands do get cold in the Michigan winters. I had thought that the Sport Touring hatch had that, but apparently not. The Sport Touring hatch also has only leather seats, and I hate leather. From what I've heard, the suede inserts in the Integra seats would make it not quite as hot as leather gets, so they may be the right balance for me.
It's interesting that you all find barely any difference between drive modes in the Integra, as I've heard others talk about how in normal/comfort, the Integra can be a lot cushier than the Si (especially during winter), which is important for my family (I'd be fine either way). I'll just have to see how my wife feels in the Integra.
And yeah, as someone with a family, 4 doors just makes sense. 2 doors is just too much of a hassle with car seats and such.
However, I don't like that the Integra is bigger than the Civic and especially the hatchback... I may possibly still look at the Sport Touring hatch if I can get the driver's seat replaced with a cloth one. I expect I'll just have to test both and see how I feel, but I'm definitely leaning towards the Integra overall.
Anyway, thanks for the video and keep up the great work!
I just went from the OEM 18" wheels/Contis to a set of Vredestein 17" snow tires on Sport Edition rims. With the reduction in unsprung mass, I am seeing a much larger difference in the drive modes than before (I am always in Sport). But in any case, before and after the wheel/tire change, the difference in modes is quite obvious with throttle response and steering.
I bought an integra at msrp last week, I was looking at the civic si and was dead on it until I couldn’t find one at msrp let alone if I did you would have to wait 6 months to a year to get one. With the mark up on the si I figure might as well get the integra for a little bit more luxury and features. Being as the civic si America has been butchered compared to the Si Canada it just made sense to me to just go with the integra. Sure there are lucky people who can get them at msrp but it’s almost impossible in houston Tx.
Congrats. Try tsp.TrueCar.com
One of my favorite parts of this review was the back to back trunk/hatch comparison shot, because it perfectly illustrates what I've noticed through many years of renting a lot of cars for family trips. Using officially published figures to compare cargo capacity is misleading at best. It's almost reflexive for folks to say, "hatchbacks are better for cargo," when the reality is that if you are looking at the dimensions of the load floors to the top of the seat-backs, the car with the trunk often wins out over a hatch version for having the same or MORE room. Sure, for an oddly shaped item, or if you are good with loading up your hatch to the roof, hatches might win, (except Ford Focus and Mazda3 hatches...those cargo areas are STOOPIDLY small; they lose every time) but for most real world packing/cargo carrying scenarios, I'll take a nice trunk over a hatch.
I couldn't agree more with this point. I'm a golfer, and in most hatches I can't fit my clubs and hand cart without putting the rear seats down (which I don't want to do). Often having extra vertical space in a hatch just doesn't do all that much good.
This is like saying sedans have more cargo space than pickup trucks as long as you don't put anything in the bed. I'd love to see you try to fit a bookcase, dresser, or queen-size mattress in the sedan - all things I've easily moved in my Mazda3 hatch with its "STOOPIDLY small" cargo area.
True for the mazda 3 in actual use the sedan wins everytime..and the jetta beats the gti for longer items seats up.
Of course if you just fikl it eith golf balls blocking the rear window the hatch would win.
My biggest complaint is they never list the volume sedans trunks with the rear seat folded for dome reason
@@ARCNA442 Sure...if you flop the backseats down, hatches can be more cargo practical. But...I rarely travel alone in a car and my point was more about the "rear seat up" cargo practicality. But I'm glad the 3 is working for you. I love the way various model years have driven over the years, but it's never worked for our family on trips.
I just ordered an Si (USA). I would definitely have considered the Integra for the creature comfort upgrades... if the base model was available in manual. No way am I going to the highest trim. In any case I prefer cloth seats, so I'm not crying too hard. I will miss the heated seats in my Impreza... but only a little.
I've had my integra for about a month now. I like everything about it. You say the rev hang is bad, but I have found shifting faster makes up for that "defect" My 2015 Si coupe was more aggressive on the shifting I grant that, but I can feel the pull with this integra. It feels faster.
What? Shifting faster would make rev hang seem worse. You want the revs to drop quickly if you are shifting quickly.
It feels faster because of torque at lower speeds/rpm’s.
The 2015 Si actually has better 0-60 and 0-100 MPH times though (very close).
So, if you want the Civic Si 200hp turbo-charged engine *with* an automatic; good news! Honda will let you spend an extra $10,000 in order to get what you want. 👎
13:20 when Yuri mentioned the wheel hop in the hyundais😂. Certainly a quirk for a K5 GT owner
The SI is great, the Integra not really for $6k more you could get a Golf R and similarly the new Type R. +120 hp for $6k
Volkswagen sucks in terms of reliability
@@lebronjames4705 no golfs are usually pretty bullet proof
That bestmotoring intro was spot on ;)
The shifter knob in the Integra is exactly the same knob that was in my 2008 Civic Si, possibly the same shift boot as well.
The Canadian Si is too close to the Integra. Bring on the Type S
50+ Integra upgrades and differences from US Civic (2024)
I traded my Civic Si (2020) for a 2024 6-speed Integra. Below are the differences between the 2024 Integra 6-speed and the 2024 Civic Si that helped sway my decision. As you can see below, there are way more differences (at least 50) than are spoken of in any RUclips videos. Hope this helps those of you trying figure out the differences. BTW, as a former Si driver, I have ZERO regrets. The Integra retains the fun-factor of my Si, but also gives me all the premium upgrades I was missing-such a great real-world daily driver. My Si was a great car, but I’m enjoying the Integra more.
Features not available on ANY ‘24 Civic:
1. Every body panel unique to Integra
2. 5.3” color windshield Heads Up Display
3. 16 Speaker ELS Studio 3D system with ceiling speakers
4. Microsuede front seats
5. Remote with brushed metallic trim
6. 12-way power driver seat with lumbar
7. Auto walk-up/welcome lighting feature
8. Lighted exterior door handles (all 4)
9. Lighted interior door handles (front)
10. Ambient LED footwell lights
11. Ambient LED door accent
12. 4 drive modes (including individual)
13. Aluminum bezel around shift boot
14. Adaptive suspension (3 settings)
15. 2-driver memory (seat & mirrors)
16. Auto slide driver seat upon exit
17. Beefier horn (Yes!!! Thank you) beep-beep vs meep-meep
18. Premium “tick tock” turn signal click
19. Unique “Jewel Eye” LED headlights
20. Longer warranties (both years & miles)
21. More rigid chassis
22. Standard A-Spec door sill badges
23. A-Spec badge on steering wheel
24. Frameless rear view mirror (auto-dim)
25. Leather ctr console trim (knee guard)
26. Unique shift knob (flat top vs rounded)
27. Diamond pattern vents (vs honeycomb)
28. Gloss (vs flat black) B and C pillar
29. Wider, longer body
30. Heated side mirrors w/ signals & reverse tilt feature
31. Full LED ext lighting (incl rear turn sig)
32. Full LED int lighting (incl hatch area)
33. WiFi hotspot
34. Functional bumper vents/air curtains
35. More sound dampening material
36. Acura cam cover
37. Form-fitted battery blanket
Features not available on the ‘24 Civic Si:
1. Parking sensors front & rear
2. Rain-sensing wipers
3. Power driver seat
4. Power passenger seat
5. Dual zone auto climate control
6. Liftback design w/ more cargo space
7. Full 10.2” digital instrument cluster
8. Leather door trim
9. Rear USB outlets
10. Fog lights
11. Blinker in side mirrors
12. Heated seats
13. Qi Wireless phone charging mat
14. Alexa built-in
15. Sunglasses holder
16. Different tuning (according to Acura)
UPDATE: Things I’ve learned after putting 3,000+ miles on the Integra:
- The Integra is missing the occasional dash rattles that my Civic Si had. It may have better fitment, adhesives, or quality control. At any rate, I’m very impressed, because that was a concern of mine during the buying process.
- In sport mode and on the same roads, my Integra feels as peppy as my Si, but like the Si, the Integra isn’t built for all out performance.
- For the first 3,000 miles I have averaged over 35 mpg on premium. I have mixed city and highway on my commute. I occasionally open it up for a pull, but drive conservatively most of the time. On the interstate I’ve averaged over 40 mpg. Thrash it a lot and you’ll likely STILL get high 20’s.
- I knew the ELS Studio 3D system was highly rated. But even so, I am floored every single day when I hear nuances in my favorite playlists and songs that I never noticed before because the previous systems just couldn’t do it. I had upgraded my Si with JL Audio mid-range and both Infinity and Kicker subs-the Si sounded way better than stock. However, this ELS system is not only in a different ballpark, it’s on a different planet. I read from a car reviewer that outside of Acura you can’t get this level of sound unless you fork out $60,000 or more. That, I can’t confirm. However, I can easily say it’s the best I’ve ever heard-and I’ve been in many cars. The Bose I had in my GMC Yukon pales in comparison.
- So far, the only thing I miss from my Si since buying the Integra is the center console. The Integra’s armrest storage bin is a bit smaller.
5k miles now and still VERY happy. The Integra hit the sweet spot for me for affordable luxury and fun.
If the Si had the Intregras back end, it would look so nice in my opinion
Major Best Motoring vibes with that intro!
the hatch configuration increases price, too. its not JUST the seats, heated stuff, and stereo. Everyones forgetting that in the comparison :) Personally, even with the higher load floor, the fastback/hatch is still the way to go as a lifestyle necessity. :)
Yah people don’t know the civic hatch touring costs more than the si lol
Guys, the Intro music had me back in my "Scarface" Days.... 😁😆😅🤣Thanks.... Great review by the way...
Civic Si is so much better looking. The Integra is one of the few modern cars that actually looks worse in person than in photos. The first time I saw it in a parking lot I thought it was a previous ILX or new TLX. Meanwhile the Civic Si is understated but elegant and will age very well….. can’t say the same about the Integra
I love the front and side of the new civic, and the interior, but the rear taillights make the rear look like it’s a much cheaper car than the rest of it looks. Really hoping a refresh improves it.
$10k lumbar support.
Yep, as many have pointed out, with current SI markups, you are paying the same for the Acura as you do the SI.
That's the master plan... only way to move Integra's !!!
I like the Integra I feel like what would’ve made it even better is if it had a bit more power, maybe 250 horsepower and 260 pound ft of torque would’ve made it better. Just my opinion. I really like how it comes in manual.
I've never driven any luxury car and often wonder to myself if the difference would be worthwhile to me in general. I love every Civic I've rented though, I'd definitely test drive both of these to find out. It would definitely help if the US Si had a hatch option and came with all the Canadian features! And maybe a hybrid option now that gas is crazy.
The difference can be significant. Try a 10 or even 15 year old Lexus and I bet you will not want to go back to Toyota or Honda.
US people jealous about the Canadian spec si having many features plus price be like: 🥺
I feel like the down-market US Civic Si spec is going to drive a few more Integra sales here.
I’d pick the integra because in the states we don’t get heated seats and steering wheel. We also don’t get shift lights.
Which is exactly what Honda wants and why the Si doesn’t have those featueres
Just got the Acura A-Spec Elite, auto was a must for my wife so.... and yes you can feel the suspension changes and steering changes between modes in the CVT. Throw it into S instead of D for the true experience!! It's not a race car but its quick.
Perfect commuter.
These new L15 engines do have vtec on the exhaust cam for the both SI and the Integra.
The fact they didn't know it has Vtech exactly like 2.0t says they shouldn't do reviews. Since 2021 all Civic 1.5t have vtec exhaust and 1.5t accords have always had vtec again how many really knew that?
Shame on Honda for de-contenting the US version of the Si. Probably blame it on supply chain. If you want your Integra with this spec and an auto, I suspect price-wise you are going to get people cross shopping the base TLX, (or Accord 2.0 Sport) which has 268 HP. Interesting how Honda/Acura jockeys the cars in their own crowded line-up - Civic Sport (hatchback), only making the Integra with MT in the A-Spec with Tech package, then cutting out heated seats, etc in the US Spec Si. I don't like games. I suffered some of the pains of a de-contented '02 Si (yeah, the one everyone hated, but it turned out to be great as an "only car" and since everyone hated them, I found it new on the lot in Spring '03 for just under $ 15K). The gearing was short, but they held back on a 6-speed, saving it for the future Type R, which never made it to US shores. The good part was the very rigid chassis, which they built in anticipation of the 200 HP Type R, so it was a small but stout car (2700 lb) which in that era, felt more substantial when sharing the road with larger cars. Easily fit 4 taller than average adults too. But the extra gear would have made it nicer on the interstate. Think that 2.0L was turing about 3300 RPM at 60.
The Integra somehow was able to look fatter than the civic despite being the same, even though past Integras was the slimmer and cooler Civics.
It is wider then the Si by only a 1 inch
I don't see a point in spending the extra money. If the teggy looked like the concepts, or at least less like the civic, I think it would be more interesting. I'm actually disappointed in the new teggy.
I generally have an issue with Acura out of all the up scale version / models within the same company. Hondas are so good why would you ever buy the same car for way more money.
I know it's not entirely logical, but I would buy the Integra simply for the few options. I'm looking at this as being a responsible purchase as compared to buying a BMW 230i which I can easily afford. I would be perfectly happy with an Si, but they just don't offer any options with it. So, you might say I have: "💰>🧠"?
@@NOXStellans nah. u bought a acura over a bmw to save money. u have neither 💰or 🧠. jk jk its your money so whatever makes u happy, congratulations bro
Same argument with toyota and lexus, maybe?
@@jeremyarrieta6869 there’s a huge difference between the quality of a toyota and lexus. honda to acura isn’t much better and that’s the issue acura have rn
@@NOXStellans always to each their own you need to be happy with your choice but the amount of difference in price def factors in.
The guy on here thinking hes cool buying this car not realizing........
A. He buys the same car for 10k more than an Si with the same performance. And pays more on insurance too.
B. He buys a car that has the same quarter mile time as a 22 year old DC2 Type R.
C. He buys a car which even though it makes 200 hp its still heavier than all previous Civics and integras. Which cancels out the power to weight ratio.
D. He buys a 2023 Integra thinking its something special. With a 1.5l quiet 6500rpm (truck-like rpm) and engine note that it muffled with a turbo, Thinking he can do sick tunnel runs with the engine echoing inside the tunnel.
E. He shows up to car meets and thinks why nobody is noticing his car which looks like every other Model in Acuras lineup.
F. He will put on a loud exhaust and think the engine sound doesnt matter.
G. Hes new to the car world and thinks an overpriced heavy 200hp turbo muffled civic is the way to go.
Facts!