Seeding a NEW LAWN from Scratch - a simple approach
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- In today's video, I finally seed this new lawn! It's been about 6 weeks in the making and the seed is finally down.
It's now a waiting game until it finally germinates.
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It's a 50/50 mix the 60/40 ratio on the bag is weight related as the bent seed smaller you need less of it as there is more seed per gram
I watch your videos all the time Daniel
You some sort of lawn expert or something.
@@sputnic3032 no not me
😂 it’s obvious some people haven’t watched your channel,I would of covered with fleece. @@DanielHibbertLawnExpert
I though it was about 70% bent seeds for that ratio. Im mixing in 10% bent / 90/ fescue weight which should be 30% bent seeds. The sowing rate of bent is around 4x that of rye fescue so I multiple the weight by 4 and then divide that number by the total seed count to get the percentage. I think that's correct logically. I could be wrong though.
Great job. Well done to The Lawn Association too. I’d never heard of them until your videos.
I’ve actually been using the same fence system too. To keep our dogs from destroying all the hard work.
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the results. 👍
Genuinely looking forward to seeing the results, great insight!
There it is, very intresting to see how this one will turn out later on!
Good luck, hope it comes through after all the work you've put in just need mother nature to smile on us now
Good luck. I’m doing the same with my back lawn end of May.
Great video again mate,can't wait to see the results,bet it will look mint
Nice one 👍🏻
I fenced mine off,i knew i was going to do it even before i renovated,because of the dog,great idea lol
Another good Vid big man. I was laughing thinking the same after you raked then put the water stuff down. Good idea about the fence too (Remember its whatever you want to do) Good to see big Dan DHLE comment too. I follow his expertise too. Cant wait to see the results.
Gonna be great once that establishes, buddy! 👍
Cheers 👍🏻
Barenbrug rpr is supposed to be a ryegrass that spreads and self repair, I am trying it in my lawn this year.
I'm gonna be seeding my new lawn with a premium Fescue and Rye mix.. Be interesting to see how you get on with this!
Fair play to you for going with so much bent grass. I have watched the Lawn association clips and they are brilliant. He does come in for some abuse. I do think most RUclips channels are by businesses that are depending on renovating and upkeep, so that suits fescue and rye grass. But I hear bent does take a long while to establish and maintain. So, really excited to see how you get on.
It will be good to see how much renovating it will need in time. In the perfect world, pruning and regular feeding will keep it looking great, but I guess only time will tell!
I would have rolled a dark compost over the top of that with a compost spreader. Then sheeted it over with a breathable cover
well done, i hope it works out for you. if we dont get the temps you could add a fleece to speed up the process but it should be fine. hopefully dhg has also told you how to get the grass established once its growing so you can share with us.
A few people have mentioned fleece - it's a good shout! I'll keep up regular updates with how it's getting on 👍🏻
Looking forward to seeing how the two lawns perform. Pity it's turned to winter again this week 😂
I know your pain re the dog... I've also got a big temp fence and also a fence around my pond as we have a labrador puppy. Not had to renovate with a dog before so I'm doing half our garden at a time so he has some space
Doing half at a time is a good shout. It was a nightmare last year with the dog running around! I was reseeding for weeks afterwards! 😅
You have prepared the new lawn bed really well.
After sowing the seed I usually cover it with a 50/50 mix of top soil and good quality compost spreading it with a brush
Cheers 👍🏻
Good shout about putting the top dressing on. I was conscious that I'd disturb the seed bed too much with it being quite loose already, but may have been a good idea. I keep having to chase the birds away!
@@NoviceGardener I tried covering it with field no.4. That was a mistake. either add the compost first and rake in then seed or only used compost when overseeding as it will stick to your feet and lift the seeds up. I only ended up using 2 bags as a result. It depends on the soil below. Mine is very sandy which looking at the video is very similar to the texture that you have on the surface. sandy soil then compost create a layer change that is similar to blotting flour with a damp sponge.
Usually I just do what you have done and get full coverage without doing anything special but wanted to try compost and a fleece as a comparison. The fleece is sticking to the seeds when watered lol. I'll have to see how it goes. If left uncovered the animals such as cats, squirrels, foxes , birds, dogs etc all dig at it. I guess some will germinate and the bits sticking may fall down and germinate once the fleece is removed.
Nice job. Been following along. I'm doing the same and going for a mix of common bents with creeping fescue for the same reasons.
From your levelling video, I'm using the same 70/30 mix but also adding in some jacks magic so I don't need to worry about pre-ferts to max out gemination rates, jacks has enough for that. One thing with Bents as, I'm sure you'll know, is you'll need to verti-cut as well as mow to keep it lush and eek out the thatch more often.
Top job. Great approach to dealing with the bogging issue you had, a common UK new build issue with clay bases.
Cheers 👍🏻
Verticutting seems to be a great way of pruning the plant to get it thickening up. Looking forward to how it's going to be looking in a few months time.
Sooooo glad you listened to lawn association as so have i! im going with a pure browntop bent lawn from germinal on my rear lawn and my front lawn is mostly creeping bent and i hardly look after it at all. think you should do a pure bent lawn, fescue/bent and then your front rye lawn to compare !!!!
I'm looking forward to seeing the difference between the lawns first hand. Fingers crossed all goes to plan.
ive been transitioning my lawn with the abermajesty from germinal too. i am interested to hear your thoughts on the creeping bent - any particular issues?
Nicely done and explained. Be interested in your feedback on the Lawn Association products, the organic fertilizer looks tempting. Much bigger amount of bent in your mix which will be good to watch over time. Good luck!
Cheers 👍🏻
Will keep you posted about the products. I've got some of their true grass that I'm looking forward to trying once the lawn is established.
I’m looking forward to the results mate. I’m holding off from doing my lawn until it warms up enough down here. Did my front with last year’s seeds 2 weeks ago, and it’s just about taking off now. If you haven’t already got one ( I’m pretty sure you probably have already ) you’ll need a verti cutter? You’ve done all that hard work, i hope it really pays off for ya 👍🏻
Cheers 👍🏻
I've not got a verti cutter yet, but may need to get it on my list 😅
@@NoviceGardener you know it makes sense. Better still, see if someone makes a cartridge for your scarifier? That’ll save you some space and a bit a cash too.
Will be interesting to see how this one looks using only Fescue & Bent. 👏 one extra thing I would have done is use a roller to press the seed in. Even if you just used the mower roller.
Not a bad shout 👍🏻
Also a fan of the lawn association, all makes perfect sense what they preach. Only issue i see though is bent gets ruined more easily by the worm cast and poor drainage from my experience (and I've tested rye, fescue and bents all side by side for the last 2 years). So novice's new drainage is going to get put to the test straight away!
I predict he's going to end up with a mainly fescue lawn by the end of this. Not that it would be a particular issue, as fescue gives a great lawn and hides the poa better than rye. 👍
That's a very good point about it hiding poa. With how dark rye it, it does show up quite a lot. And plus, tough to keep on top of once it starts to spread!
Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
@@NoviceGardener yeh I'm genuinely really happy to see one of my lawn channels finally taking on the challenge! I think there's loads of us that are grateful you've given it a go mate. I've really struggled to get good germination when trying to seed fescues and bents, other than in my test trays, so really looking forward to learning from your experiment.
Seems like you've done a great job with the prep. Best of luck with it mate. 💪
Nice video, interesting to see how this turns out. Don’t know why there is hate out there between rye lawns and fescue/bent lawns. I think both have a place and is down to personal choice and type of lawn you want.
Nice one 👍🏻
I completely agree! I think it's definitely worth testing to see what works for you. Rye has thrived on my front lawns and struggled big time in the back! Just goes to show, trial and error is key. At least by doing this, I'll be able to see what works and hopefully learn a bit more about bent/fescue along the way.
If you want to freshen up the sleepers I recommend manns uv decking oil coated mine once a year for the last 3 years easy to apply.
I'll have a look at that. It's definitely something I need to sort.
Are you growing a putting green?!? Thoroughly done lad.
Nice one 👍🏻
I wouldn't mind one of them! 😅
Might be a good idea to also cover it with the white garden fabric I got much better germination using it.
It's not a bad shout. To be honest, I'd forgotten about this as I did do it last year and the seed germinated quite fast (although that was rye).
Hi, enjoying this project, why did you decide on a bent-fescue mix rather than 100% bent?
Fescue and bent just seem quite problematic for a small home garden. I think I'm just going to go with a dwarf rye
I've got dwarf rye on my front lawn and it's been perfect for a couple of years now 👍🏻
Surely this time its gotta work !!! I'd be tempted to use the spare fencing to cover the top so birds don't go in 😅
I did consider this! 🤣
Small birds could get through and then end up getting trapped
@@GeorgeAusters fair point
fescue grass and bent so much better than rye in shaded areas and with rye grass you still have renovate every year so no brainer
hats
Hopefully you have better results than me. Got rid of my old lawn and re-seeded with a mix of premiership pro and platinum pro (with rye) and laid it down last Saturday. 8 days later and not a single sign of germination so just put down a fleece to help. Temps haven’t been great (but not horrible) but it’s not looking good.
It will come good. Just a bit too cold for quick germination this year. My rye took two weeks to show but it is growing slower than last year.
@@johncanter9575 Yeah my topsoil was delivered a week early so was forced to do it! Will persevere but just a little disheartening
Give it a few more days and come back mate. Trust me you’ll get plenty through, been a touch chilly
Does anyone else hum the music for these videos when cutting your grass? Asking for a friend.
Fesue and bent,need a higher temperature,take longer to germinate ,three to four weeks.
I would have added a lay of top dressing,to protect it.
I've put the same mix,it does look nice but it takes time.
It's going to be slow road from here on out. I've got a few test pots on the go at the moment just to see how quick things germinate and what to expect once they do and the rye is already at an inch whilst the rest is at about 2mm! 😅
Good luck! What fescue cultivars are included in the mix?
I just did mine yesterday. The wind blew some seeds off lol. Its on a slope which doesn't help. I went with a 20% bent 80% fescue mixed with 100% fescue to get 10% bent. Its a shaded area on 60+% sand soil on a slope with lots of banking due to manhole covers heights, feces, paths etc. I'll cut it pretty long at about 30mm so having mostly fescue seems like the best option. I may have used too much seed as i put down around 2kg for 40m2 (50g / m2). I do everything right then use too much seed. I cant help it lol.
Cheers 👍🏻
Couldn't tell you the cultivars (not 100% on the technical side of it all!). To be honest, I do the same with seed, I overdo it just in case!
Great vid as usual, how do you cope with the dog? 🐶
I hadn’t watched the last 2 mins 🤦🏻♂️ I tried the exact same with my spaniel and she was in after 2 mins, good luck!! 😂
So far so good! But he's tried to jump in a couple of times trying to get a the pigeons! 🤣
Put 2kg down two weeks ago and we've had nothing but absolute downpours and cold weather so they literally all ruined 😂 guess I'll have to start again.
Do it again? What about your wet ground?
Keep up he's added more drainage 👍
How do you keep birds from eating the seed ??
Pigeons knocked about for a couple of weeks, but they most likely only got to a few of the fescue seeds. The bent seeds were far too small. Just rake the soil over and it will be enough - no top dressing was needed.
Bent and fescue grass takes a lot longer to germinate
And bent grass seed needs constant soil temps of 15°C to germinate, so mid May is the usual time to sow bent
You can’t knock the guy for doing the research and trying things out. However I think the bent and fescue mix is as much of a mistake as the pure ryegrass. Rye and fescue mix in different ratios, depending on shade is a better option for the home lawn. Bent needs 24x7 expert care basically
@philgornall not knocking at all. I'm looking to seed a bent grass lawn this year, but it seems that it has been seeded a little too early based on the research I've done. I'm holding off til May
@@Quickgiraffe bent is very very difficult. Hence why you only see pure ones on things like golf greens. Good luck
Didn't really have the time with a few things over the next couple of weeks. May be slot to take off, but should turn out well 👍🏻
Any thing happening 2 weeks on?
Yep! Germination after 10 days. You can see the hue of green across the lawn at the moment. I've got an update coming on Sunday (although it will be showing what the lawn looked like on Thursday this week).
I'll keep up with regular updates 👍🏻
Where can we get the seed?
Lawn Association website 👍🏻
We have barenbrug rpr ryegrass seed
Is this the rye that spreads through stolons?
@@NoviceGardener yes thru stolons ruclips.net/video/dolmNmCetvE/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Shame that the guy who runs the lawn association is a bit of a self righteous bloke with a vendetta against ryegrass lawns
I agree. I have watched their videos but found that while he can "talk the talk" I am yet to be wowed by any of his lawns. I align to the thought of choosing naturally occurring grass species and all natural products, but you can't expect to end up with anything much better than what you see in parks and fields. I recently overseeded my lawn with a bent/fescue mix, looking forward to the outcome, hopefully it's as good as the local playground haha