the ability to topspin several types of shots, volleys, drops, drives has pushed me closer to 4.5 than any other concentrated effort in my journey. great vid.
Excellent!! Your examples and comparison to a wave, breaking it down from the wave to the finish, as well as the slow motion was perfect!! This was great!
This is so helpful Tanner! I recently started practicing more aggressive drops and have struggled with them landing in the net. I now realize my follow throughs have been too short. Can’t wait to drill this today.
Great video, super informative as always, especially your breakdowns and explaining the rationale! For a couple of months now I’ve been working on my topspin drops and tend to hit them short into the net. It was really helpful to not only see the technique, but also to see what it’s supposed to look like from the other side. I think I’ve been trying too hard to be “perfect” (PTSD from getting my passive drops attacked), and it was really good to see how much margin for error there actually is! Thanks, Tanner!
Excellent video once again I can't wait to start trying this I've been getting good at drops but I haven't been doing it aggressive enough this is going to be a game changer can't wait thanks brother
Outstanding video as always! This is something I definitely need in my game. I easily can hit drop shots but adding top spin would be a game changer for me...lastly cool shoes!!
Awesome! I’ve been practicing this drop shot for 3 weeks without any topspin. But after watching this video, my drop shot instantly became super low and effective.
Passive drops get attacked EVERYTIME where I play and are useless. I have been using the aggressive drops for some time. Need more consistency. Sometimes hitting a little high. Hopefully, your instruction will allow for some "fine-tuning". Since you kindly send out great info Tanner. Just a side note to include Pickleball in your titles to help with the algos.. 😊
@@tanner.pickleball Thanks I did... it will definitely take some work as I tried it in a pick-up game (need to practice through drilling) some successes.
@@vanessasiren7667hit a drip or a drive drop and setup the 5th shot drop instead of they have to hit up on the ball it softens it a lot coming back to you
Very interesting tip. I’ve definitely noticed as I’ve gotten better that the passive drop just gets attacked hard almost every time unless you’re absolutely perfect. With 4.5+ players good luck getting to the nvz if you aren’t applying pressure
Tanner, I’ve been practicing the aggressive drop for a week now, especially on my right hand side (vs in front). My partners saw my progress just over a week. The half strength of topspin robbing is a perfect aggressive drop than doing a soft drop. The beauty of topspin is when the ball gets over the net, it falls down quickly, even quicker to get lowered once it touch the ground, make your opponent hard to return it. It would be greet if you add more for doing it on backhand and two hands.
That’s awesome to hear about your progress in just a week! It sounds like you’re really dialing in that topspin aggressive drop. You’re absolutely right-topspin adds that extra challenge for opponents. Thanks for the suggestion on covering the backhand and two-handed techniques; I’ll definitely look at adding more tips on those in future videos. Keep up the great work!
Three questions: 1. What is your grip pressure? 2. How fast are you swinging (compared to say the swing speed of a dink or a drive)? 3. What type of grip are you using?
It seems to me that the main difference between these two shots is the velocity off your paddle. In the nonaggressive shots you're hitting it with less velocity, floating it higher. In the aggressive drop you're hitting it harder and lower, with more topspin. If you don't hit it harder, with all that topspin and a lower trajectory, it will dive into the net. It feels like a hybrid shot, half way to a topspin drive.
Great video - however the live example around 4:20ish has the person feeding the balls hitting them very softly and multiple feet short of the baseline. I understand the idea is to illustrate the aggressive drop but perhaps a more realistic version? The level of difficulty of these feeds are very low. There's far less worrying about net shots or popping up in these feeds. Seeing the same tutorial but vs returns coming full court aggressively with topspin (and some with slice) that are hitting within a foot and half from baseline and how a higher level player would handle those with an aggressive 3rd could be a lot more informative and realistic perhaps and certainly of interest to me.
I hit really hard serves so this simulates a weak return. The idea of these examples is for you to see the dip on the ball and see how it’s effective… I would not have my partner rip the ball at me so I can barely get it over not getting the point across….
Very good video. Lots of examples from different angles and no rambling, just straight to the point. Short and sweet. Just curious which state you’re in it looks so tropical there?
Hey tanner, what arm parts are moving in your drop? You say to finish over your shoulder, so do you mean, forearm, shoulder wrist, everything is activated? What specific arm parts? Thanks! Also for the 2 handed backhand topspin drop, is it only wrists or are there other arm parts involved? Thanks😊
Thanks for this. May I ask what is your grip for this topspin thirdshot drop-drive? I use semi-western grip for serve and drives, and I wonder can I bring the same semi-western grip for this aggressive drop shot.
Question,doesn’t this shot give your opponent (if they’re a good player) the chance to take it out of the air?? Or does the topspin make it difficult to do that? Thx in advance man Love your videos
What’s the difference between this technique and hitting with an extreme western grip with the wrist starting bent as close to 90 degrees as possible and letting it rip? That’s how I hit mine and the ball clears the net by less than a foot and dips into the kitchen very quickly. (Wondering if ball speed is a factor to consider here).
Something I have noticed is that in previous videos you mentioned to hit the drops in front of you or have the paddle in front of you and follow the ball. In this you seem to hit it on your side… is that only because it’s a top spin drop?
i naturally like hitting my drops like this...prob. the result of be coming from a table tennis background. i've heard it called "a drop drive". but like Tanner says, it's def hitting w/ more topspin. I just got a 1X 16mm myself...and it's a great paddle for generating spin...making drops like this easier.
Hey Tanner love the video but your opponent could have taken the aggressive drops out of the air but instead let it bounce. That makes all the difference. I agree a top spin drop is the best way to go.
@@tanner.pickleball If you mean 1 g/cm then you have 10 g of added mass per four inches, which you have applied to both sides of throat, for a total addition of 20 g of mass (0.7 ounces). I had my previous paddle configured with 3 x 3 g on each side, which is roughly the same thing. It was an extreme control paddle which I used to learn my drops, blocks, and resets. It was elongated so it had some whip, but mostly the added mass added plow-through. So I had two ways to generate power. Absolutely no pop, so a backhand punch volley in front of my chest with a compressed backswing (hence no plow) and no whip was a total muffin shot. As people started to adopt this newer generation of paddles, balls started to arrive at my chest faster than ever, I could manage even less backswing, and the muffin factor went way up. The game has become too fast on average, even at the 3.5+ level, to play a paddle with no pop at all. My new paddle has more pop and less lead. Tanner, you would be amazed how many 3.4-ish players will respond to a super-tight "passive" drop that barely clears the net by executing a nerfed speed up into the net tape. They want to speed up because I am not at the net yet and they think they can hold me back. But then they fear hitting the ball hard enough to reach mid-count, because it will surely pop up when struck from the tragic angle they are stuck with, so they compromise by pushing the ball into the net tape. 😿
@@tanner.pickleball Quick addition after the fact. I figured out what my brain was trying to tell me. Your "passive" drop has huge tolerances due to poppy nature of modern paddles. With my completely popless previous paddle, my "passive" drops were far tighter to the net and far lower at apex than what you demonstrated. Once you get a hot enough paddle, it becomes easier to add topspin than to consistently hit such a small window. As the paddles add extreme pop, the passive drop ends up fluffier (for safety margin), and a fluffy passive drop is a total liability.
Ben Johns says it's better to work on your transition skills than worrying about hitting perfect drops. Some top pros rarely use topspin drops. J-dub typically drives or slice drops. Thoughts?
I very much appreciate your tips but in your examples at 4:20 aren't really the best imo bc your partner is clearly just giving you the point instead of actually playing it correctly. No way any good player is hitting that directly back to you when the left side of your court is WIDE open
the ability to topspin several types of shots, volleys, drops, drives has pushed me closer to 4.5 than any other concentrated effort in my journey. great vid.
Thanks for sharing, and yep!
Couldn’t agree more with your comment @postaudio!
Tanner, love your vids! Keep up the good work!
Excellent!! Your examples and comparison to a wave, breaking it down from the wave to the finish, as well as the slow motion was perfect!! This was great!
Thanks Renee!!
This is so helpful Tanner! I recently started practicing more aggressive drops and have struggled with them landing in the net. I now realize my follow throughs have been too short. Can’t wait to drill this today.
Happy to help!
Revisiting this RUclips lesson, now I am ready to practice aggressive drop shots. So much to learn and improve the game.
You got this!
This is the most helpful video for drops I’ve seen. Excellent job. You’ve earned my follow
Thanks Jacob!
Great video, super informative as always, especially your breakdowns and explaining the rationale! For a couple of months now I’ve been working on my topspin drops and tend to hit them short into the net. It was really helpful to not only see the technique, but also to see what it’s supposed to look like from the other side. I think I’ve been trying too hard to be “perfect” (PTSD from getting my passive drops attacked), and it was really good to see how much margin for error there actually is! Thanks, Tanner!
Thanks for sharing this! I hope you start to connect the dots :)
so far, the best demo of technique I've seen. Can't wait try it
Hope you enjoy it!
Excellent video once again I can't wait to start trying this I've been getting good at drops but I haven't been doing it aggressive enough this is going to be a game changer can't wait thanks brother
You got this!
As a new player instruction like this is awesome. Thanks tanner.
Thanks!!!
Will practice on the aggressive drops more. Thanks.
Love it!
Outstanding video as always! This is something I definitely need in my game. I easily can hit drop shots but adding top spin would be a game changer for me...lastly cool shoes!!
Right on!
Hitting with topspin has eluded me so far but I feel like I saw something in your slow mo shots that might really help. Thx!
Glad it helped!
Awesome! I’ve been practicing this drop shot for 3 weeks without any topspin. But after watching this video, my drop shot instantly became super low and effective.
Sweet!!
Im great at hitting aggressive drops.....straight into the net....
Aren’t we all hahaha
You are not alone. Sometimes it becomes a kamekaze shot (pop up or short lob). 😂
Literally just thinking the same thing! 😂
Thank you for this. It really helps me cause I see my errors here. Now I'll work on the corrections you suggest!
Sweet!!
Thanks!
LETS GOOO! Thank you so much for dropping that!
love the shorts but these longer videos are invaluable - keep it up man! always appreciate your insights
Glad you like them!
Passive drops get attacked EVERYTIME where I play and are useless.
I have been using the aggressive drops for some time.
Need more consistency.
Sometimes hitting a little high.
Hopefully, your instruction will allow for some "fine-tuning".
Since you kindly send out great info Tanner.
Just a side note to include Pickleball in your titles to help with the algos.. 😊
Noted! Great call!!!
Excellent instructional video. Please keep it up. Can you do a clip on judging out balls.
Great suggestion!
Good stuff -- can't wait to try out those tips out.
Have fun!
@@tanner.pickleball Thanks I did... it will definitely take some work as I tried it in a pick-up game (need to practice through drilling) some successes.
This is great - can you do a video on how to practice a 3rd shot drop from an aggressive return of serve?
Yes I can!
For real, I’ve got such a hard time if it comes in like a bullet
@@Everheartt agree! most people are returning the serve with a hard drive! that makes it harder to soft it up
@@vanessasiren7667hit a drip or a drive drop and setup the 5th shot drop instead of they have to hit up on the ball it softens it a lot coming back to you
This is a great video. I love the slo mo... It helps me understand what you're talking about.💯
Thanks!!
Very interesting tip. I’ve definitely noticed as I’ve gotten better that the passive drop just gets attacked hard almost every time unless you’re absolutely perfect. With 4.5+ players good luck getting to the nvz if you aren’t applying pressure
Good stuff! Exactly!
Yes they salivate when they see it.
Love Tanner's analogy to a "meatball" 😅.
Another fantastic video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Tanner, I’ve been practicing the aggressive drop for a week now, especially on my right hand side (vs in front). My partners saw my progress just over a week. The half strength of topspin robbing is a perfect aggressive drop than doing a soft drop. The beauty of topspin is when the ball gets over the net, it falls down quickly, even quicker to get lowered once it touch the ground, make your opponent hard to return it. It would be greet if you add more for doing it on backhand and two hands.
That’s awesome to hear about your progress in just a week! It sounds like you’re really dialing in that topspin aggressive drop. You’re absolutely right-topspin adds that extra challenge for opponents. Thanks for the suggestion on covering the backhand and two-handed techniques; I’ll definitely look at adding more tips on those in future videos. Keep up the great work!
Great video! - how about doing this with the bh drop? What would be the technique for that
Coming soon!
Thats the one I like, slice drops are the best
@@fjg8340 ya I do slice drops on my bh too, but wanted a more aggro drop
Three questions:
1. What is your grip pressure?
2. How fast are you swinging (compared to say the swing speed of a dink or a drive)?
3. What type of grip are you using?
5/10
Half speed of a drive
Eastern grip
What a great video. Can’t wait to do this drill
:)
Thanks for the great videos! Question: is the paddle path same for topspin drop vs topspin drive?
The drop is more low to high, while the drive is more through!
Good stuff!! Thanks, Tanner!!
Yeppers!
Best drop video drop ever! I'm going to try it tomorrow.
Hope you enjoy
It seems to me that the main difference between these two shots is the velocity off your paddle. In the nonaggressive shots you're hitting it with less velocity, floating it higher. In the aggressive drop you're hitting it harder and lower, with more topspin. If you don't hit it harder, with all that topspin and a lower trajectory, it will dive into the net. It feels like a hybrid shot, half way to a topspin drive.
Great way to look at it! Totally agree!!
Thanks Tanner. Good stuff!
Any time!
So much better now with a more conversational tone.
Sweet!
Hi Tanner, great video. Are you using Continental or eastern for your topspin drops? Thanks.
Eastern on everything!
what grip do you use though?
Eastern!
Great video - however the live example around 4:20ish has the person feeding the balls hitting them very softly and multiple feet short of the baseline. I understand the idea is to illustrate the aggressive drop but perhaps a more realistic version? The level of difficulty of these feeds are very low. There's far less worrying about net shots or popping up in these feeds. Seeing the same tutorial but vs returns coming full court aggressively with topspin (and some with slice) that are hitting within a foot and half from baseline and how a higher level player would handle those with an aggressive 3rd could be a lot more informative and realistic perhaps and certainly of interest to me.
I hit really hard serves so this simulates a weak return. The idea of these examples is for you to see the dip on the ball and see how it’s effective… I would not have my partner rip the ball at me so I can barely get it over not getting the point across….
@@tanner.pickleball Fair point. Thanks.
Very good video. Lots of examples from different angles and no rambling, just straight to the point. Short and sweet. Just curious which state you’re in it looks so tropical there?
Florida!!!
Hey tanner, what arm parts are moving in your drop? You say to finish over your shoulder, so do you mean, forearm, shoulder wrist, everything is activated? What specific arm parts? Thanks! Also for the 2 handed backhand topspin drop, is it only wrists or are there other arm parts involved? Thanks😊
forearm and shoulder mostly for this! Wrist is involved but super subtle and controlled. Alot of forearm!
@@tanner.pickleball what about the 2 handed backhand topspin drop? Only wrist or added forearms and shoulder?
Hey tanner is the swing speed for this shot much slower than a drive? Whenever I swing to fast I always miss? Could you please clarify? Thanks😅
Yes it is in between a drop and drive, substantially slower!
Thanks for this. May I ask what is your grip for this topspin thirdshot drop-drive? I use semi-western grip for serve and drives, and I wonder can I bring the same semi-western grip for this aggressive drop shot.
Semi western is perfect!!
I love hitting aggressive crosscourt backhand slice drops just over the net
Me too!!
Great video! Would you say you aim about two feet above the net on your side?
Yes, absolutely
Tanner coming with millions subscribers very soon❤
YESSSS
so good.
:)
Question,doesn’t this shot give your opponent (if they’re a good player) the chance to take it out of the air?? Or does the topspin make it difficult to do that? Thx in advance man
Love your videos
Aim more middle or down a sideline and it should drop!!
What’s the difference between this technique and hitting with an extreme western grip with the wrist starting bent as close to 90 degrees as possible and letting it rip? That’s how I hit mine and the ball clears the net by less than a foot and dips into the kitchen very quickly. (Wondering if ball speed is a factor to consider here).
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Something I have noticed is that in previous videos you mentioned to hit the drops in front of you or have the paddle in front of you and follow the ball. In this you seem to hit it on your side… is that only because it’s a top spin drop?
It is best to get this get a tad deeper since you are arching up the back for top spin!
Bro, your vids rock!!
:)
Good one!
Thank you! Cheers!
The fear is 3rd shot drops and opponent hitting out of the air.
Yep!
What is the best way to avoid?
Can’t they also do a step back 4th shot drive into you as you are crashing up into this?
Not if it is aggressive enough!
i naturally like hitting my drops like this...prob. the result of be coming from a table tennis background. i've heard it called "a drop drive". but like Tanner says, it's def hitting w/ more topspin. I just got a 1X 16mm myself...and it's a great paddle for generating spin...making drops like this easier.
Interesting! And absolutely!! Love this paddle :)
Hey Tanner love the video but your opponent could have taken the aggressive drops out of the air but instead let it bounce. That makes all the difference.
I agree a top spin drop is the best way to go.
This was for example. In actual matches ideally you want them to bounce!
You are making great videos
Glad you like them!
Continental or eastern position
Eastern always!
No.mention of the grip, i..e, using a an eastern , semi Western or even a Western.
eastern always!
4" of lead tape means nothing if you don't also say how many grams per inch.
10 mils per gram
@@tanner.pickleball If you mean 1 g/cm then you have 10 g of added mass per four inches, which you have applied to both sides of throat, for a total addition of 20 g of mass (0.7 ounces).
I had my previous paddle configured with 3 x 3 g on each side, which is roughly the same thing.
It was an extreme control paddle which I used to learn my drops, blocks, and resets. It was elongated so it had some whip, but mostly the added mass added plow-through. So I had two ways to generate power. Absolutely no pop, so a backhand punch volley in front of my chest with a compressed backswing (hence no plow) and no whip was a total muffin shot.
As people started to adopt this newer generation of paddles, balls started to arrive at my chest faster than ever, I could manage even less backswing, and the muffin factor went way up. The game has become too fast on average, even at the 3.5+ level, to play a paddle with no pop at all. My new paddle has more pop and less lead.
Tanner, you would be amazed how many 3.4-ish players will respond to a super-tight "passive" drop that barely clears the net by executing a nerfed speed up into the net tape. They want to speed up because I am not at the net yet and they think they can hold me back. But then they fear hitting the ball hard enough to reach mid-count, because it will surely pop up when struck from the tragic angle they are stuck with, so they compromise by pushing the ball into the net tape. 😿
@@tanner.pickleball Quick addition after the fact. I figured out what my brain was trying to tell me.
Your "passive" drop has huge tolerances due to poppy nature of modern paddles.
With my completely popless previous paddle, my "passive" drops were far tighter to the net and far lower at apex than what you demonstrated.
Once you get a hot enough paddle, it becomes easier to add topspin than to consistently hit such a small window.
As the paddles add extreme pop, the passive drop ends up fluffier (for safety margin), and a fluffy passive drop is a total liability.
teach us backhand also.
Will do, good video idea!
But I'm not left handed 😂. Great video
Hehehe
❤
:)
The receiver should be taking those deep drops in the air
Yes!
If you're taking that drop in air. Pop-ups, men. And you're done.
Ben Johns says it's better to work on your transition skills than worrying about hitting perfect drops.
Some top pros rarely use topspin drops. J-dub typically drives or slice drops.
Thoughts?
I think this is definitely a skill that most players should have. There is always going to be an exception of two players out of hundreds.
Excellent tips!
at 4:29, 4:40, 4:43 penalty calls for standing on the kitchen line. But you're teaching, not playing. 🙂
Hahaha
Great tips. Please try to cut down on the upspeak 🙏🏻
Ok sorry
The drop at 4:50 could have been taken out of the air. A backhand roll could have attacked it.
Of course - but I was showing you an example :)
I very much appreciate your tips but in your examples at 4:20 aren't really the best imo bc your partner is clearly just giving you the point instead of actually playing it correctly. No way any good player is hitting that directly back to you when the left side of your court is WIDE open
This is called skinny singles…… You only play on half of the court.
Compare it with Zane topspin drop ruclips.net/video/7Gs5ke38K-o/видео.htmlsi=hntzaIl2RV3QUC8J
Yep