I had my blood draw today. I don’t have the results yet, but I feel myself slipping cognitiy. It was emotional for me. But, I remembered my father being diagnosed with AH without hope for recovery. Today, I stopped afterwards and gave thanks for everyone involved in developing this ptau17 test, and Dr Bredesons protocol. I plan to live joyfully while I work the protocol and save my brain!! Thank you Dr. Bredesen!!! 😂
At what point do(es) the test(s) show a person has gone beyond the point of actually being effectively treated to a reasonable degree. Because of my family history I have been following you and reading your books for a number years - Thanks!
I just have afew comments. Not all Bredesen trained practitioners are confident enough to implement the protocol intheir practice . By accident i was looking at the credentials of the otherdocs in the practice i go to. One of them listed the Bredesen Protocol as one of her continuing ed courses. I came to her and asked for these three tests . She refused, and was indignant and said that i should order them myself. She obviously did not want to be responsible for someone experencing memory decline. She actually asked if i had seen a neurologist about my memory . I said "Why would I do that ? They'll nust give me a drug that wont work" . My experience is that most doctors are disbelieving when i try to explain that i have memory loss. They are not trained in how to test for mild cognitive impairment. And you do need to formally test, you cant pick this up with.casual observation.( But you cant tell them that).
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It would be helpful to know who this person is so we can help them get up to speed as well as check if they actually completed the training. We have a very rigorous training for the practitioners, including a specific module on the BrainScan test. You are welcome to email me privately at lance@ahnphealth.com. Thank you.
I would like to charge the BrainScan. The Recode progam costs $75 monthly - labs not included. Are there others to purchase to diagnose or discover degree of issue? I am over 65, single and moving in with family to save money. I can be tested, but might not be able to afford the programs/protocols. How to do the Cognoscopy relatively economically - need to eat. Pay rent. Etc.
@@barbaras3206 You can join Julie G's ApoE4.info group and/or you could get the book The End of Alzheimer's Program that can guide you manually. Also, I would recommend checking your Cq score to see where your cognition is currently: www.apollohealthco.com/know-your-cq/
Healthcare that is not covered by insurance and expensive is really just more Wealthcare. The reality needs to be Health Over Wealth to get us out of this greedy, corrupt, making money off chronic disease mess we are in. It’s great you came up with a test like this. But it’s side effect is you are taking money from disparate people who really can’t afford to give it.
You are absolutely right, and why we hope that insurance will indeed cover such important tests. It is far, far more expensive to pay for nursing home care than it is to prevent and treat cognitive decline. This is just the beginning, and if insurers want to help reduce the global burden of dementia, they will agree to cover these tests. However, until they do, we’ll continue to help develop and identify the best testing and treatment.
My comment was not against Dr Bredesen's work… I appreciate that he has seen the light and was open to changing . We need more MD’s to follow his lead and push back at the powers that be. Perhaps a program to help people get the new testing at a discounted rate? As the Dr knows real detox, mold remediation, and restorative dental, etc is not cheap or covered by insurance either … more Wealthcare unfortunately. People are going to take the test and then not be able to afford the Possible fixes. Then just worry more and that’s a mitochondrial stressor too. Dont get me started on nursing home costs, but two wrongs don’t make a right imo
Major piece missing..."We can treat the person to get the numbers down". How? If we already know how to treat Alzheimers, then that would be huge and common knowledge and this doctor would be very rich, not the opposite.
@primovid Your conclusion, "if we already know how to treat Alzheimer's, then that would be huge and common knowledge and this doctor would be very rich" is profoundly wrong. . As Dr Bredesen has said in the past, his wife is also a doctor. I suspect it was in the 1990s (Dr Bredesen can correct the date if he chooses). He was the leader of a research lab at the University of California (he's worked at UCLA and UCSF) and made it his lab's mission to do research to try to understand the pathophysiology/ies that produces Alzheimer's, with the ultimate goal of using that knowledge to develop one or more effective treatments. He's said that at that time, he had the mentality he'd been taught in his education and training, that he and the lab would do the research, find what was going wrong (the pathophysiology), what was causing it, and then they'd develop a drug to treat it. Easy, peasy. Easy to understand the approach, if not the details, which would take years of research to search out the causes and more years to develop a reasonably safe and reasonably effective drug or drugs. . And that would be that! An Alzheimer's patient would get referred to a neurologist, who would prescribe the drug, and the money people at the "health insurance" companies would be happy because the doctor's time per patient would be minimal and they'd be saving the cost of Alzheimer's care facilities and other expensive Alzheimer's-related payouts. The drug companies would be happy because they'd be making handsome profits off a blockbuster drug that would genuinely and literally be preventing patients' brains from degenerating, for which patients and their insurance companies would pay lavish prices for. The doctors and medical establishments would be happy because they could quickly and cost-effectively help many patients and of course, the politicians would be happy because no major industries' practices would be disturbed and Alzheimer's and all of the collateral devastation and costs would minimized. All the important players would be happy because they'd be getting paid or having their costs reduced, business would be good, life goes on, no changes required, better living through pharmacology, and the patient doesn't have to do anything other the consume the drug on schedule, for the remainder of their life! . Bredesen's wife, however, was more integrative-minded. While she had no more actual knowledge of Alzheimer's pathophysiology than anyone else did (no one knew), she made her hubby a bet that when he and the people in the research labs eventually figured out the pathophysiology, that it wouldn't be due to a single flaw or cause but would be related to diet, lifestyle, basically the patient's history of exposures, their "antecedents". Again, I think this was in the 1990s. Dale laughed and said, ha ha, he didn't think so. . And then he and the people he's worked with, including people who worked at his lab and other labs around the world, got to work. And the bottom line is that the more the knowledge of Alzheimer's pathophysiology was revealed, the more Dale's wife was proven to be basically right. . To unfairly oversimplify, my understanding of what Dr Dale and his group found over decades was largely that Alzheimer's pathology is caused by the brains' defensive reactions to hostile and/or poisonous environmental conditions; the analogy I thought of was that of skinning your knee while skateboarding. If you abrade the skin over your knee and bruise the cells underneath, there will be a defensive response. Cells will be ripped open, cells with be fatally damaged, blood will clot, immune system activation of inflammation will occur to deal with the influx of dirt and microbes and immune cells will consume dead and infected human cells in the injury, or, to use the medical term, "lesion". Replacement cells will be birthed and steadily replace the killed ones, the scab will gradually degrade and eventually, everything will be almost as good as it was before the injury, save some scar tissue. . As long as the falls that produce skinned knees, the "insults" to use medical parlance, only happen occasionally, the cells' responses are constructive. But what's happening in Alzheimer's is that there are numerous insults and burdens and/or insufficient supports that are occurring consistently throughout time. The neurons are literally under seige in a hostile & deficient environment. It'd be like exposing the skin on your knee to being sunburned, chemically burned and skinned every other day for years on end while also being malnourished. Neurons that are operating in such a "poisonous, rough, nasty neighborhood" react defensively and cannot function in their peak health & function mode. To oversimplify, they are being exposed to too many "blows, cuts, scrapes and poisons" too regularly and not being given enough nutrition and other health-building factors such as BDNF & hormones for them to be operate optimally. . The last I heard, Dr Bredesen and other researchers had identified more than 30 of these insults and deficiencies that result in neurons activating their protection mode. . And therefore, the answer to preventing and possibly reversing (if you start early enough) the brain deterioration turned out to be to find out what were the harmful factors triggering the defensive responses in each patient and then reducing those, and increasing supports for patients whose evaluation showed them lacking those supports. Less of the bad, more of the good as needed **according to each patient's needs**. Although recognizing the value of drugs for many health conditions, Dale came to recognize the approach of developing an "Alzheimer's drug" and without addressing the actual causes was a nonsensical and fatally-flawed approach for effectively treating this illness. . So, simply put, even though Bredesen and collaborators have repeatedly demonstrated the arresting of Alzheimer's progression in practically all of their study subjects and have seen a large percentage of those same study participants actually improve, that is, experience various degrees of reversal of Alzheimer's "symptoms" as their brains healed, most people in the Alzheimer's world don't want to endorse his approach for numerous reasons. Some of them include a) doesn't fit the "one pathology, one narrow scientific study, one variable" research model that gets funded, b) doesn't make money for big pharma, c) requires great amounts of physician time per patient, d) requires great commitment to what is, for many people in "western, civilized countries" difficult behavioral changes away from habitual behaviors and foods that are causing the pathophysiology. The "medical establishment" and large government agencies are, for the most part, looking for a single, cheap, "magic Alzheimer's Disease bullet", a pill that doesn't disturb the current operating models of businesses, work, labor and the food and medical industries. . Dr Bredesen has written several books detailing what his research group found about Alzheimer's pathophysiology and how their treatment protocol was developed, and has appeared in numerous interviews that I've seen online. I was taught in engineering school that when faced with a production process that was flawed and producing bad part after bad part after bad part, to stop everything, put on our detective hats and go searching upstream in that process until we'd found the root causes of the manufacturing process' defects, fix them, and only then start running the process again. In medicine today, this is called "root cause resolution", and it's an ideal that many practitioners in the naturopathic, functional and integrative medicine spaces strive to achieve, with varying levels of success. I like Bredesen's approach because it is based upon actual knowledge of the mechanisms involved, how they get screwed up and what inputs and interventions are necessary to help cells be healthy and thus function optimally. . His books are in most US public libraries. I'd suggest you look through them. While my sense is that for the next 30 years there will always be more to learn about brain/nervous system/human health, it's clear to me that Dr Bredesen's knowledge and treatment approach is sound and as effective as can be expected at this time and will only improve with time.
@@MinnesotaGuy822Fantastic summary. The only thing I can add is that his model of Alzheimers will not be accepted anytime soon in conventional medicine for the reasons you mention. In the short term writing a script is more lucrative and less time intensive . Hopefully the public interest and desperate people trying to help their family members will put pressure on the medical system. But unfortunately they will continue to push their ineffective drugs which only minimally slow decline . Unfortunately many doctors never break through their medical school indoctrination which is basically training in pharmacology and surgery.
To those of you new to Dr. Bredesens protocol this talk is ONLY about advances in testing Not about his treatment protocol.There are other talks that explain his protocols .
We receive lots of pushback from mainstream medicine and big pharma because we are a threat to both. Here is a link to the first clinical trial, and a second is in progress -- not to mention the thousands of people we have helped over the years with the ReCODE protocol from Dr. Bredesen: www.apollohealthco.com/alzheimers-reversal/. Our own Julie G. has reversed her cognitive decline -- after her 20th century doctor told her "good luck with that."
@@MinnesotaGuy822 "To unfairly oversimplify, my understanding of what Dr Dale and his group found over decades was largely that Alzheimer's pathology is caused by the brains' defensive reactions to hostile and/or poisonous environmental conditions" You are basically making the case for environmental toxins as being the cause for Alzheimer's. Ok, fine. If that's so, then it would be pretty easy to do a simple meta analysis to show a pattern of Alzheimer's exceeding the normal level for those in the affected groups (i.e., those exposed to the suspected toxin). Have we shown that? If not, this is an untreatable theory. Similarly, if the underlying cause is environmental, then that also rules out hereditary factors so we should *not* see any inherited propensity for Alzheimer's. And this is the case you are making? If someone inherits Alzheimer's, then that pretty much rules out the environmental toxin theory.
I had my blood draw today. I don’t have the results yet, but I feel myself slipping cognitiy. It was emotional for me. But, I remembered my father being diagnosed with AH without hope for recovery. Today, I stopped afterwards and gave thanks for everyone involved in developing this ptau17 test, and Dr Bredesons protocol. I plan to live joyfully while I work the protocol and save my brain!! Thank you Dr. Bredesen!!! 😂
Thank you so much for encouraging us all to get tested and take appropriate actions to avoid thee ravages this devastating disease.
I hope that Kaiser Permanente will start offering this test
At what point do(es) the test(s) show a person has gone beyond the point of actually being effectively treated to a reasonable degree. Because of my family history I have been following you and reading your books for a number years - Thanks!
I just have afew comments. Not all Bredesen trained practitioners are confident enough to implement the protocol intheir practice . By accident i was looking at the credentials of the otherdocs in the practice i go to. One of them listed the Bredesen Protocol as one of her continuing ed courses. I came to her and asked for these three tests . She refused, and was indignant and said that i should order them myself. She obviously did not want to be responsible for someone experencing memory decline. She actually asked if i had seen a neurologist about my memory . I said "Why would I do that ? They'll nust give me a drug that wont work" . My experience is that most doctors are disbelieving when i try to explain that i have memory loss. They are not trained in how to test for mild cognitive impairment. And you do need to formally test, you cant pick this up with.casual observation.( But you cant tell them that).
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It would be helpful to know who this person is so we can help them get up to speed as well as check if they actually completed the training. We have a very rigorous training for the practitioners, including a specific module on the BrainScan test. You are welcome to email me privately at lance@ahnphealth.com. Thank you.
I hope the cost will come down with time. The price I am seeing is way beyond my budget. 😢
I believe they will eventually come down.
I would like to charge the BrainScan. The Recode progam costs $75 monthly - labs not included. Are there others to purchase to diagnose or discover degree of issue? I am over 65, single and moving in with family to save money. I can be tested, but might not be able to afford the programs/protocols. How to do the Cognoscopy relatively economically - need to eat. Pay rent. Etc.
@@barbaras3206 You can join Julie G's ApoE4.info group and/or you could get the book The End of Alzheimer's Program that can guide you manually. Also, I would recommend checking your Cq score to see where your cognition is currently: www.apollohealthco.com/know-your-cq/
Healthcare that is not covered by insurance and expensive is really just more Wealthcare. The reality needs to be Health Over Wealth to get us out of this greedy, corrupt, making money off chronic disease mess we are in. It’s great you came up with a test like this. But it’s side effect is you are taking money from disparate people who really can’t afford to give it.
You are absolutely right, and why we hope that insurance will indeed cover such important tests. It is far, far more expensive to pay for nursing home care than it is to prevent and treat cognitive decline. This is just the beginning, and if insurers want to help reduce the global burden of dementia, they will agree to cover these tests. However, until they do, we’ll continue to help develop and identify the best testing and treatment.
My comment was not against Dr Bredesen's work… I appreciate that he has seen the light and was open to changing . We need more MD’s to follow his lead and push back at the powers that be. Perhaps a program to help people get the new testing at a discounted rate? As the Dr knows real detox, mold remediation, and restorative dental, etc is not cheap or covered by insurance either … more Wealthcare unfortunately. People are going to take the test and then not be able to afford the Possible fixes. Then just worry more and that’s a mitochondrial stressor too.
Dont get me started on nursing home costs, but two wrongs don’t make a right imo
Inclusion Body Myositis has tau as the inclusion bodies in the muscle. Could this test be helpful in measuring tau in muscles, not just brain?
Would brain scan be beneficial for a recent diagnosis of MS with brain lesions shown on an MRI, and physician recommending possible lumbar puncture.
Can one do the prevention protocol(s) without testing? I am Apoe3/4, Over 65, limited funds.
Yes, and you should, at minimum, take the free Cq test to get a general idea of where you are -- www.apollohealthco.com/know-your-cq/
Major piece missing..."We can treat the person to get the numbers down". How? If we already know how to treat Alzheimers, then that would be huge and common knowledge and this doctor would be very rich, not the opposite.
@primovid Your conclusion, "if we already know how to treat Alzheimer's, then that would be huge and common knowledge and this doctor would be very rich" is profoundly wrong.
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As Dr Bredesen has said in the past, his wife is also a doctor. I suspect it was in the 1990s (Dr Bredesen can correct the date if he chooses). He was the leader of a research lab at the University of California (he's worked at UCLA and UCSF) and made it his lab's mission to do research to try to understand the pathophysiology/ies that produces Alzheimer's, with the ultimate goal of using that knowledge to develop one or more effective treatments. He's said that at that time, he had the mentality he'd been taught in his education and training, that he and the lab would do the research, find what was going wrong (the pathophysiology), what was causing it, and then they'd develop a drug to treat it. Easy, peasy. Easy to understand the approach, if not the details, which would take years of research to search out the causes and more years to develop a reasonably safe and reasonably effective drug or drugs.
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And that would be that! An Alzheimer's patient would get referred to a neurologist, who would prescribe the drug, and the money people at the "health insurance" companies would be happy because the doctor's time per patient would be minimal and they'd be saving the cost of Alzheimer's care facilities and other expensive Alzheimer's-related payouts. The drug companies would be happy because they'd be making handsome profits off a blockbuster drug that would genuinely and literally be preventing patients' brains from degenerating, for which patients and their insurance companies would pay lavish prices for. The doctors and medical establishments would be happy because they could quickly and cost-effectively help many patients and of course, the politicians would be happy because no major industries' practices would be disturbed and Alzheimer's and all of the collateral devastation and costs would minimized. All the important players would be happy because they'd be getting paid or having their costs reduced, business would be good, life goes on, no changes required, better living through pharmacology, and the patient doesn't have to do anything other the consume the drug on schedule, for the remainder of their life!
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Bredesen's wife, however, was more integrative-minded. While she had no more actual knowledge of Alzheimer's pathophysiology than anyone else did (no one knew), she made her hubby a bet that when he and the people in the research labs eventually figured out the pathophysiology, that it wouldn't be due to a single flaw or cause but would be related to diet, lifestyle, basically the patient's history of exposures, their "antecedents". Again, I think this was in the 1990s. Dale laughed and said, ha ha, he didn't think so.
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And then he and the people he's worked with, including people who worked at his lab and other labs around the world, got to work. And the bottom line is that the more the knowledge of Alzheimer's pathophysiology was revealed, the more Dale's wife was proven to be basically right.
.
To unfairly oversimplify, my understanding of what Dr Dale and his group found over decades was largely that Alzheimer's pathology is caused by the brains' defensive reactions to hostile and/or poisonous environmental conditions; the analogy I thought of was that of skinning your knee while skateboarding. If you abrade the skin over your knee and bruise the cells underneath, there will be a defensive response. Cells will be ripped open, cells with be fatally damaged, blood will clot, immune system activation of inflammation will occur to deal with the influx of dirt and microbes and immune cells will consume dead and infected human cells in the injury, or, to use the medical term, "lesion". Replacement cells will be birthed and steadily replace the killed ones, the scab will gradually degrade and eventually, everything will be almost as good as it was before the injury, save some scar tissue.
.
As long as the falls that produce skinned knees, the "insults" to use medical parlance, only happen occasionally, the cells' responses are constructive. But what's happening in Alzheimer's is that there are numerous insults and burdens and/or insufficient supports that are occurring consistently throughout time. The neurons are literally under seige in a hostile & deficient environment. It'd be like exposing the skin on your knee to being sunburned, chemically burned and skinned every other day for years on end while also being malnourished. Neurons that are operating in such a "poisonous, rough, nasty neighborhood" react defensively and cannot function in their peak health & function mode. To oversimplify, they are being exposed to too many "blows, cuts, scrapes and poisons" too regularly and not being given enough nutrition and other health-building factors such as BDNF & hormones for them to be operate optimally.
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The last I heard, Dr Bredesen and other researchers had identified more than 30 of these insults and deficiencies that result in neurons activating their protection mode.
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And therefore, the answer to preventing and possibly reversing (if you start early enough) the brain deterioration turned out to be to find out what were the harmful factors triggering the defensive responses in each patient and then reducing those, and increasing supports for patients whose evaluation showed them lacking those supports. Less of the bad, more of the good as needed **according to each patient's needs**. Although recognizing the value of drugs for many health conditions, Dale came to recognize the approach of developing an "Alzheimer's drug" and without addressing the actual causes was a nonsensical and fatally-flawed approach for effectively treating this illness.
.
So, simply put, even though Bredesen and collaborators have repeatedly demonstrated the arresting of Alzheimer's progression in practically all of their study subjects and have seen a large percentage of those same study participants actually improve, that is, experience various degrees of reversal of Alzheimer's "symptoms" as their brains healed, most people in the Alzheimer's world don't want to endorse his approach for numerous reasons. Some of them include a) doesn't fit the "one pathology, one narrow scientific study, one variable" research model that gets funded, b) doesn't make money for big pharma, c) requires great amounts of physician time per patient, d) requires great commitment to what is, for many people in "western, civilized countries" difficult behavioral changes away from habitual behaviors and foods that are causing the pathophysiology. The "medical establishment" and large government agencies are, for the most part, looking for a single, cheap, "magic Alzheimer's Disease bullet", a pill that doesn't disturb the current operating models of businesses, work, labor and the food and medical industries.
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Dr Bredesen has written several books detailing what his research group found about Alzheimer's pathophysiology and how their treatment protocol was developed, and has appeared in numerous interviews that I've seen online. I was taught in engineering school that when faced with a production process that was flawed and producing bad part after bad part after bad part, to stop everything, put on our detective hats and go searching upstream in that process until we'd found the root causes of the manufacturing process' defects, fix them, and only then start running the process again. In medicine today, this is called "root cause resolution", and it's an ideal that many practitioners in the naturopathic, functional and integrative medicine spaces strive to achieve, with varying levels of success. I like Bredesen's approach because it is based upon actual knowledge of the mechanisms involved, how they get screwed up and what inputs and interventions are necessary to help cells be healthy and thus function optimally.
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His books are in most US public libraries. I'd suggest you look through them. While my sense is that for the next 30 years there will always be more to learn about brain/nervous system/human health, it's clear to me that Dr Bredesen's knowledge and treatment approach is sound and as effective as can be expected at this time and will only improve with time.
@@MinnesotaGuy822Fantastic summary. The only thing I can add is that his model of Alzheimers will not be accepted anytime soon in conventional medicine for the reasons you mention. In the short term writing a script is more lucrative and less time intensive . Hopefully the public interest and desperate people trying to help their family members will put pressure on the medical system. But unfortunately they will continue to push their ineffective drugs which only minimally slow decline . Unfortunately many doctors never break through their medical school indoctrination which is basically training in pharmacology and surgery.
To those of you new to Dr. Bredesens protocol this talk is ONLY about advances in testing Not about his treatment protocol.There are other talks that explain his protocols .
We receive lots of pushback from mainstream medicine and big pharma because we are a threat to both. Here is a link to the first clinical trial, and a second is in progress -- not to mention the thousands of people we have helped over the years with the ReCODE protocol from Dr. Bredesen: www.apollohealthco.com/alzheimers-reversal/. Our own Julie G. has reversed her cognitive decline -- after her 20th century doctor told her "good luck with that."
@@MinnesotaGuy822 "To unfairly oversimplify, my understanding of what Dr Dale and his group found over decades was largely that Alzheimer's pathology is caused by the brains' defensive reactions to hostile and/or poisonous environmental conditions"
You are basically making the case for environmental toxins as being the cause for Alzheimer's. Ok, fine. If that's so, then it would be pretty easy to do a simple meta analysis to show a pattern of Alzheimer's exceeding the normal level for those in the affected groups (i.e., those exposed to the suspected toxin). Have we shown that? If not, this is an untreatable theory. Similarly, if the underlying cause is environmental, then that also rules out hereditary factors so we should *not* see any inherited propensity for Alzheimer's. And this is the case you are making? If someone inherits Alzheimer's, then that pretty much rules out the environmental toxin theory.