Pikmin 4 is finally out! The decade long wait is over! So... is it any good? Today let's dive in to Pikmin 4! Discord - / discord Twitter - / thewyrlwind
I really hope that in like Pikmin 6 or 7, when we finally have every color as a Pikmin type, there will be a real challenge, where you have to use all of them with a maximum of 500 Pikmin on the field to solve puzzles, fight bosses and carry back treasure with like 5 captains and maybe a multiplayer with up to 5 people to each play as one captain. I want to manage a huge number of diverse pikmin with many unique abilities and uses across a large amount of captains together with my friends, but also alone with all of the things adapting to not be too difficult alone, but not too easy with others. I want to feel overwhelmed, not with time, but with my pikmin population, I want to hectically plan with my friends, scream when a pikmin dies and laugh when we all are just too dumb to manage all of the things. It would be great.
While this sounds like the most fun multiplayer pikmin game ever and I do want to see this happen, it just wouldn't fly since Pikmin has been primarily a single player experience and lets just say 5 player would be impossible without either everyone owning a copy or some sort of download play service gets into the switch. (ngl 500 pikmin and 5 captain sounds like it would feel like VRChat levels of chaos)
I see Oatchi as an example of QoL changes that diminish small areas of gameplay/trivialize micro difficulties, kind like the Palamutes in Monster Hunter Rise, another dog companion that trivializes small actions, like sharpening your weapon/healing on the go.
duuude yeah I was so confused about that, I thought they'd respawn eventually but nope, the same dead enemies are still rotting where you left them 10 days later lol
This is defo a point I agree with, I think it would’ve been nice if it at least worked similarly to Pikmin 2 with enemies respawning after a couple of days, and possibly even stronger enemies and bosses spawning in later on.
@NunnyTheDog enemies respawning was in every game, not just 2 Which makes the change all the more baffling, it's been there from 1-3 so why suddenly remove it?
The only reason i can think of for them to remove it is how certain enemies spawn on bases, but at that point they could just set those specific enemies to not respawn
Speaking from someone who REALLY REALLY likes 4, I will admit the formation of lacking enemies in game is a bit odd knowing that 3 felt a lot easier, as such said enemies spawned time to time. (But we can agree 2 had the worst pikmin balance overall.
The reason bulbmin aren’t in pikmin 4 is probably glow pikmin cause they basically replace them by being immune to all elements being usable in all caves the stun attack and having a whole mode only they are usable in
I tried to do an Oatchi-less run but they made the game specifically for him. Like there are caves you can't reach without oatchi. I'm trying my best with bomb rocks for the vases and stuff but i cant really jump 💀
Dang, dude! I never really thought of a lotta that stuff since I've only played 4, but yeah Oatchi definitely gives a couple too many shortcuts. I really liked the way you talked about self-imposed challenges! That's something that I hear people mention all the time but never really get into actually talking about. Great stuff!!!!!
I def agree Oatchi is really broken and i def wished he was nerfed a lot, cause what I love about Pikmin is the challenge, hence why i just did a run without using oatchi's rush and riding him, and honestly the experience felt a lot more like what I wanted, I recommend doing this for everyone that wanted that challenge, not to say that improves the issues the game has. Even then i greatly enjoyed my time with pikmin 4 and the years they had to make it show. Hopefully 5 has some better balancing that doesnt require you to basically set ur own challenge runs to improve it
Yeah oatchie really breaks this game lol. Like sometimes I would just leave my captain and pikmin at the start of the cave and have oatchie go in to clear out any and all hazards. Especially because of the lab upgrades giving him immunity to fire, ice, poison, etc and how readily available they are. White pikmin are pretty much just obsolete in this game since you get the poison immunity before even seeing them once.
yeah lol, like I appreciate them TRYING to give white pikmin more of a purpose rather than being a hindrance like in 2, but you still don't need to use them in most scenarios
The only enemy encounter that seems to be balanced with Oatchi in mind is the very final boss, every other enemy and boss in the game is way easier than they'd be in any other game thanks to the ability to gather all Pikmin units in a single hitbox with hyper speed and offensive options
As someone who has played all 4 games, I think 4 might be my least favorite. Maybe slightly better than 2. The excessive handholding kills a lot of the fun. Yeah, I get they wanted to make it easier for newcomers, but there are much better ways of doing it. I know that, cause Pikmin 3 exist. With the awful, forced auto-aim, obnoxious gameplay interrupting tutorials (I've gotten tutorial cutscenes on how to save pikmin as late as the final area of the game) and the game blatantly telling you what pikmin you'll need, it just feels like the devs just don't trust players intelligence, or abilities. Pikmin 4 also relies way too much on referencing the previous games, and with that being said, almost everything 4 does, a previous pikmin game has done significantly better. Pikmin 3's Mission mode and Bingo Battle, are way better than the dull dandori battles and challenges. The levels felt much worse and a lot less unique, compared to 1, 2, or 3s areas. The only real improvements were the caves, but they still hurt the pacing and flow of the game. The only new bone in Pikmin 4 are the night time missions which were highly disappointing and extremely dull. I wish they focused more on making pikmin 4 stand out, in good ways of course. Instead like 70% of Pikmin 4 is just "Hey! Remember this thing from [insert pikmin title here]"
I totally get where you're coming from. personally I'm very mixed on the overworld areas, I want to like them but it feels like they're all missing something. Especially the last two areas, they feel a whole lot more linear than the previous ones since the focus at that point has shifted to searching for Louie. Oh and yeah I 100% agree with you on the night missions, they were so... empty. They only got very mildly challenging at the very end, and even then the missions usually end just AS they're becoming somewhat stressful
@@Wyrlwind The overworlds definitely do not make full use of their much larger scale. Like, did you know Blossoming Arcadia, only has 5 walls in the entire map. (1 dirt, 1 electric, 2 ice, and 1 reinforced) By comparison, the Garden of Hope has a total of 14 (6 dirt, 4 electric, 3 crystal, and 1 bamboo) Like what happen here? The areas in 4 feel more like hub worlds for the caves and dandori stuff, rather than actual levels. Another thing I notice. Due to the maps only having 3 hazards, you can easily beat them after your first few visits, and there's never a need to backtrack. The maps in the previous 3 games all contained a wide variety of hazards, so they were more open to backtracking. Discovering new pikmin just felt more exciting when you could take them back to previous areas to open up new paths/sections. 4 has this to some degree, but it's only for the area the pikmin is discovered in.
I wouldn't even call the caves an improvement tbh Don't get me wrong, not having 2's bs and having actual layouts and puzzles is a massive improvement The problem is it feels like they dont get harder until the final cave. There's only one cave before the end that's 6 floors long and it's in the SECOND AREA (not to mention it has 2 bosses so it's not really any different from anything else). The caves in the final region aren't any longer than caves you'd be seeing in the second and third area. Compared to the Cavern of Chaos and Hole of Heroes, which were genuine challenges on their own despite being optional. Caves were meant to be a test of maintaining your resources (pikmin)... which doesn't mean much when here almost every cave is just 3/4/5 levels deep
@@OriginalGameteer I don't think lengthening the caves would've helped in their difficulty. Especially considering the fact that time now passes. It would've just made the cave disrupt the game's flow even more. What the caves really need to do was: A. Remove the pikmin limit. B. Use hazards/enemies/puzzles in a more creative way. Despite the fact that you can technically use more than 3 pikmin types in a cave, the game still builds the caves around the 3 pikmin type limit. And most caves only use only 1 hazard at a time per floor. And the puzzles are mainly just, hit a button to lower a gate, or switch conveyor belts . The caves would've benefited from using multiple hazards, and more creative puzzles. Like say, have all the treasure in bodies of water, but have a lot of electrical wires running in them to "electrify" the water, preventing you and blue pikmin from entering it, and instead requiring you to navigate around them and find the power source to switch off. All while battling enemies along the way. They could've even made the "power source" an enemy, or miniboss.
Pikmin 3 is literally the best experience. Proper cutscenes, a nice story progression, amazing controls, and a beautiful world that feels pretty open. Pikmin 4 feels very small and confined honestly. Like, it’s still a good experience but the auto lock makes me wanna die. And the game also just didn’t feel like it has much replayability.
lol not at all, Pikmin 3 was too short and too easy, it replaced the swarm with the charge when the swarm was better in just about every way, less camera options than in either Pikmin 1 or 2, the pikmin AI felt worse than in Pikmin 2 and actually the game felt like a downgrade from Pikmin 2 in many ways, which was made even more disappointing by how long it took to release. You say Pikmin 4 felt small and confined while Pikmin 3 felt pretty open? Are you sure you're not getting the two games mixed up here? Because literally the opposite is true. Pikmin 4 is better in just about every way and while Pikmin 3 may not be objectively the worst Pikmin game, it is my least favourite.
@@tessaPMpro@tessaPMpro i disagree, to me pikmin 3 felt way more open. yeah sure pikmin 4 was technically more open, but most of the openness in pikmin 4 had nothing in it, it just made it longer to get around anywhere. definitely disagree here, and imo pikmin 4 is by far the worst in the series, the previous 3 all blow it out of the water. and as for the multiplayer, for me thats always been half the fun of pikmin, but for my sister and i, pikmin 4 was suuuch a huge disappointment. both pikmin 2 and especially 3s multiplayer were so high quality and interesting, while 4s was lazy and felt tacked on. and honestly i cant even bring myself to replay pikmin 4 at this point, with its extremely long and over-tutorialized intro. i hate how much the characters talk, and oatchi makes everything a joke. ive replayed the previous 3 games countless times, but this is the first pikmin game i genuinely dread to play again. but thats just my opinion. not trying to discount yours, just wanted to say this.
3, despite being rushed and having a map cut out of the game at the last minute, is still one of my favorite pikmin experiences. it is by far one of the best in my opinion. at least it has an identity instead of relying on another game's story to shittily tell another retconned one that barely makes any sense. at least it has bosses that aren't an enemy just scaled bigger. at least it doesn't have a dog that makes it a baby game. at least it's not SOLELY focused on giving fanservice and being a love letter to the whole franchise instead of having its own identity. pikmin 4 is the worst game in the franchise, hands down. its just pikmin 3: pikmin 2 edition. edit: AND THE MUSIC IN P3!! you absolutely cannot forget about that. some of the best tracks in the franchise.
Oatchi only added to the strategy of the game. Even if he's strong, he is only one unit. And he's not good for piles of gold or raw materials, where Pikmin numbers are still important. The Dandori challenges specifically showcased how good he can be and can actually improve Pikmin management. His rush added an interesting element to the combat which was prior just "charge / c stick, or throw". Oatchi only added options and made me want to better strategize.
Well to be fair the armoured cannon beetle is now a pikmin 1 exclusive since in pikmin 4 it’s not called the armoured cannon beetle it’s called the horned cannon beetle a new species. I do wish bulbears revived themselves again and if they did add that they would revive a lot faster. They need to make enemies a lot more tankier. I wish the man at legs was beefier he’s just a joke now I killed him 3 times in 1 cycle because of the dogs. They should of added Gatling groinks back and made electricity more lethal. Something that made 2 REALLY annoying and difficult. But to be bias the great sage levels are actually quite challenging to do if you try to get platinum.
fun fact about being able to skip caves tho it more of another thing about skipping stuff you can skip entire areas if you grind the ones you currently have to 100 percent
To be honest, a lot of what this video critiques are parts I enjoyed. Although I agree on some parts I think a lot of things mentioned here were stuff I think Pikmin 4 got right, and I personally think it’s the best game in the series! I don’t want to bombard you with my opinions in just some random comment but I think that a lot of this is definitely very subjective. Still a good video though for sure, just wanted to put my two cents in.
You make some pretty good points. 4 is the only pikmin game i have played (yet cause im just finishing sage trials before going to play 1,2,3) i loved this game, as it was designed to get new comers into the franchise and im a newcomer but if i was a vet player i wouldnt want my game series being noobified. Especially since i have a heavy preference for games that force to engage with the games systems and mechanics as much as possible. Ill definitely need to play 1, 2, and 3 though to compare.
1, 2, and especially 3 are wonderful. for a very short rundown; 1 is the most strategic, 2 is the most stressful, and 3 is the most fun. once you play em, you should come back and let us know how you liked them! its always fun hearing newcomers' experiences especially with 2 haha.
not using Oatchi or using less pikmin is totally valid it's easy with Oatchi so that people who can't handle the difficulty of pikmin without him especially in later levels but still gives you the option to just not use him or take out less pikmin if the game doesn't feel hard enough it's basically like a difficulty select, although maybe the game would benefit from an actual difficulty select Easy is the game as per usual except you can use all pikmin types and 100 pikmin without flarlic, normal is game as per usual, hard removes Oatchi, Very hard reduces max pikmin to 50 and removes Oatchi, Extreme removes Oatchi 60 pikmin limit and brings back the day limit and shortens days by like 3 mins or smth, and super mega extreme all the stuff in extreme but the enemies and bosses are faster and have more HP. or a custom difficulty would probably be better where you could like toggle Oatchi, The day limit, pikmin limits, enemy strength and how much time is in a day, I feel like that would benefit all players but the way you can modify difficulty already sin't awful just could use a little bit of work
I genuinely like the game, but the forcing of Oatchi onto the player and making the game feel more like 'player & Oatchi adventure' with the pikmin being a side piece felt a belt mellow. Also the lack of reason for Louie being the main villain and ignoring the other dimension villain from the previous games was a bit odd. Like, they had nearly 10 years and they couldn't give a good reason for Louie to be bad? Really? He just faints after turning people to leaf-min and attempting to kill you and its just...laughed off. 🙃
None of the Puzzles in Pikmin 4's cave match the puzzles in 3's worlds, & the cave environments aren't interesting, they feel procedural in layout, thematically one-dimensional, & in large part recycled from 2; they are also too centered around combat, which is bad because the combat in this game is bad(on account of the terrible controls)
As a worker for Nintendo, allow me to explain. As the reason for why Bulbmin are not there, the only Bulbmin we had left ate 71 pounds of sand and died. For Puffmin, somebody accidentally deleted the files, and we couldn’t find their proper color again. (These are jokes btw)
I love certian monsters as well, but I feel a bit insulted about you hating the random cave generation in 2. But I admit it's honestly not nice, I'm just a sucker for it personally. I understand it likely not the best. but I have different than oatchi. oatchi is just symtom of some of these issues.I personally love him cause it somewhat reminds me of my dog. and even the gripe of oatchi doesn't look like how bulbie does. is moot. due to it SPAAAACE.... but still I have many issues with pikmin 4 it has SOOO MUCH POTENTIAL AND THE THINGS ADVERTISING HINTED AT JUST MAKES IT WORSE AND WORSE AND AAAAAAH!!
I personally don’t really like the fact that there are basically no boss fight cutscenes in Pikmin 4(excluding the final boss), I went throughout the whole game not knowing what was a boss or not until getting to the final boss.
If the next game brings back all the pikmin with some new ones on top of that then they should try to raise the pikmin cap up to 150 or 200. Maybe the could integrate the flarlic item in to the expanded pikmin cap. Like maby you start the game with a 50 pikmin limit and neer the end you have full expanded it to 200 pikmin.
I have a very complicated relationship with Pikmin 4. I like it but I think it has a lot of problems. I keep hearing people say that Pikmin 4 is perfect, but I completely disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good game and I had fun with it but it has a lot of problems. Oatchi basically makes most Pikmin obsolete. It makes Pikmin 4 feel anti Pikmin💀. I think Pikmin 1 and 3 are absolute masterpieces but 2 and 4 are just ok. I honestly think hey pikmin is better than pikmin 2. Pikmin 2 may be may least favorite in the series but I was honestly kind of disappointed with Pikmin 4 because of all of its problems that sometimes I would say that it’s my least favorite. And absolutely none of this is coming from nostalgia because I played all of the games back to back for the first time in preparation for Pikmin 4 a month before it came out
Everything your saying here is exactly what I thought with the game and it's been bugging me how everyone else seems to just think the game is perfectly fine outside of some small problems when it's not, I don't think the game is bad but some of the choices they made were not well thought out or were just undoing the good changes Pikmin 3 deluxe had. I would understand most of the choices for trying to draw in newer players or non-gamers, but I find the game is still to stressful even for them so it's sitting in this kind of awkward ground where it's to easy for people way into it, and it's to stressful for hyper casuals doing things for the 1st time. I don't think removing Oatchie is the right thing to do, but I do agree with nerfing him, the game is built to much around using him that it just would just all need to be reworked, I also don't think removing types is the right thing to do either as I feel other than winged I found myself using all of them, instead they just need to give said types more things that only they can do or do better such as the yellows where I think this was the game I was using them the most, and not just because of a instant death hazard but rather for their other traits too. I also wish all the caves were twice as long other than the last one, they all just end so quickly I feel not letting the gimmicks of a hole really flesh out as much as I would have wanted. Overall nothing in the game really matters which makes me ask myself why should I care? Pikmin deaths don't matter when all of them are so easy to regain even without the onions since you can just go straight to any floor in any cave you want at anytime, leaving in the middle of a cave without using an exit as no punishment so why not abuse it? sprays are so stupid easy to get that even when your not going for them you will still have 30+ by the time your done everything, captain knock outs don't matter when you can just walk straight back over to the fallen captain and just wake them up and keep going like nothing happened. That is all not talking about the rewind which is over kill, it's all built just to get itself over with as fast as possible and not put up any real resistance unless you don't use any of your tools. Anyways good video.
yeah I feel like there's been this bizarre unwillingness people have to criticize nintendo games recently, and it's been the most apparent with Pikmin 4 (EDIT: Should've clarified that I really was only referring to Zelda Totk and Pikmin 4 but maybe more people have been criticizing the games than I thought.)
That's not true people criticize Nintendo games all the time. Mario 3D all stars got heavily criticized, the new Mario sport games have been criticize and still do to this day. The first wave of the Mario Kart 8 deluxe was heavily criticize. So I don't know we're you are getting that straw man because that is simply not true. The Pokemon games have been heavily criticized as well. People bash Nintendo on Twitter or X, every day and don't even get me started on the online discourse. Just because two games haven't been criticized (Pikmin 4, Tears of the Kindom) doesn't mean that people don't criticize Nintendo games. Before Tears of the Kindom we had the Pokemon violet and scarlet discourse. You want to know why people aren't criticizing Tears of the Kindom and Pikmin 4? Hear me out maybe, just maybe they have a different opinion from you and don't see the things you see as problems as a problem? Also add the fact that it is literally the first time a lot of people know what Pikmin even is. But anyway, saying Nintendo games aren't criticized is a Straw Man falacy. Oh, I almost forgot. Tears of the Kindom did actually did get critici, remember glorified DLC? Some people who clearly haven't played the game still call it that, so I think it is safe to say that people do criticize Nintendo and Nintendo in general all the time.
@@WyrlwindAnyways I don't want you to see as me saying your video or bad or anything. In fact agree with many of the points and I believe you left out one point that should have been in the video. And it is the fact that they totally removed the coop mode we had in Pikmin 3 Deluxe. Like, what is up with that? We had a proper coop mode in Pikmin 3 only for it to be removed from Pikmin 4 and replaced by a shitty Mario Galaxy and Odessy style of coop?
@@arminarlert7273 dude that was so disappointing lol. I'm glad everyone seems to be in agreement that it's the "little brother mode" of co-op modes. I can't wait to... throw rocks at enemies
One of my main issues with Pikmin 4 is simply that it has awful pacing. The crew speaks WAY too much. I’m all for a more involved story (one of the big reasons why I liked Pikmin 3), but there’s still a limit. I couldn’t even finish the demo because I was bored out of my mind most of the time. My other big issue with Pikmin 4 is the TERRIBLE Ui. Especially coming from someone diagnosed with OCD, this game has genuinely some of the worst Ui design i have ever seen. There’s way too many options’ subsections, and everything’s organized terribly. It’s overly complicated, and extremely confusing to navigate. Also, it visually pales in comparison to Pikmin 3’s UI aesthetic. I do prefer this more digital-like style (rather than 3’s more organic-like style), but I just hate how it was executed. It doesn’t feel tasteful nor consistent between the different menu subsections and pop-in balloon messages.
I remember when I saw that flarlics were still around after getting the 100 pikmin limit. I thought that maybe they'd let you carry more than 100 pikmin ir let you take out more types at a time, but then they just gave nectar and sprays, which felt very annoying and pretty pointless to have so many flarlics
Really glad you made this video. This game is great and deserves praise but that’s all I’ve really seen so far. Oatchi totally usurps the point of the series… that being to strategize and utilize your army of Pikmin. And unfortunately because of the reception, there will probably be a similar mechanic in every installment moving forward. That’s not even mentioning auto-lock, haha. It’s also worth noting that glow Pikmin are completely busted. I ended up with roughly 100 glow seeds just through natural game progression, and then used them to nuke the final boss.
Maby thay could remove Oatchi by giving his abilities to the other pikmin that are right now underused. Like giving blue pikmin the ability to charge, giving rock pikmin the ability to break any vase and finally giving the yellow pikmin the ability the ability to carry bomb rocks exclusively. And for auto lock i wouldn't remove it i would just put it in a easy mode for beginners and have the normal mode lack the auto lock so you actually have practice aiming and make fighting enemies/bosses.
You said pikmin /4 sucks dont make things worse we waited 9 years and 11 months for this game myamoto is going to see the video and delete the game 😔😔😔 Good video Moss better than oatchi😊😊😊
The game may tell you what oikmin types you should bring in but nothing is stopping you from replacing one of thr types that it reccomends that are not neccisarily required but may be more helpful, for instance in the first are red pikmin have 2 use cases in the two firey blowhogs, you could forgo using them and bring in more of other types or mabye bring in some purples or wings.
I think your self imposed challenge talked sums up how i feel about parts of 4 After playing through pokemon SV, ive started to have the stance of "If a game only becomes hard when I deliberately dont use the tools they clearly want me to use, then the game has failed with its difficulty" With the auto suggest, im mixed. On the overworld, 100% agree it doesnt really need to be there. In caves, i think its definitely forbthe best however
Honestly I agree with most of this but I also have one major problem with something and that is WINGED PIKMIN, they did my babies extremely dirty, also Rock Pikmin, basically they get completely underused and most of the things that made them useful and cool GOT REMOVED, Rock Pikmin are still strong and are even stronger than purples with Oatchi rush but the EXTREME lack of crystal and rock Pikmin needed enemies is awful, there is barely any need to use the rocks because you can even destroy and kill the bare 2 crystal walls in the whole game and the only actual rock needed enemy with a bomb easily, sure thy can be fun to use but you don’t really ever need to actually use them, and for the winged Pikmin I see the vision they had but it just didn’t work, I loved the concept of mud pits and that winged Pikmin could grab things in the mud to be able to transport it but this doesn’t work at all when introducing mud pits SO LATE into the game and having so little use of actual things in the mud (actually I don’t think there is any actual treasure in the mud pits just enemies so you never even really need the winged to carry anything other than enemies or stuff from the mud) but also because they took away most of the winged Pikmin’s use features, bamboo walls and BEING ABLE TO BE CHARGED UNDERWATER, honestly I’m just really against how they made them work, there is also not flying enemies AT ALL that need wingeds or that it is more convenient to use them, you can’t charge them or command them at all in water or while riding Oatchi and it just makes them actually feel weird to use and they just look unfinished imo
I was so sad to see the crystals removed, they're so satisfying to destroy in 3. I completely agree with you on winged pikmin and rock pikmin although I do still like carrying rock pikmin around since they're my favorite
@@Wyrlwind Yes, honestly I love winged and rock Pikmin and I was so sad that you couldn’t even use them properly until post game, I really was hoping there was a 7th zone where u needed the most underused Pikmin which where by far Winged, Rocks and maybe purples since they are also basically useless and overshadowed since even without Oatchi you can still deal with most of the enemies normally with the usual Pikmin by just charging or throwing, also to fix winged and rocks crystal walls needed to be as important as in Pikmin 3 and maybe a little Lake-Rocky zone would have been an amazing place to expand on both of the rocks and wingeds, also the wingeds path tracking seems unfinished and whack (they don’t even take the shortcuts they should at times) I only use wingeds a lot because they are basically immune to dying to most enemies immediately and because the flying is an extremely great redeeming factor but that doesn’t change that they were made wrong.
At 2:05 you say, "It would have been so much cooler to see the Water Wraith return". I'm confused, this boss is in Pikmin 4. You see in the Engulfed Castle cave, and during one of the Safe Leaf Trials. I agree tho with your assessment that the game babies you with Oatchi and the rewind feature.
yeahhh, I also wish swarming didn't act like the charge ability when you're directing your pikmin to a treasure. I hate that it caps off at the exact weight of the item, that's like half of what I used it for in 1&2
Not unlocking swarming until the final dungeon is such a bizarre decision It's not even that good in Olimars Tale since from my experience you unlock Rush immediately after it
I think having 8 types over world and 9 types in cave without the 3 type limit is decently balanced cuase the less of each type you can have since the limit is still 100 pikmin
Honestly I have a hard time and had a difficult time playing Pikmin 4 , probably because I keep forgetting to use the dog. Funny thing, when you play the battle mode you can always beat it with the dog with no Pikmin. However every time I fight some boss I forget to ride the dog and think it's Pikmin 3 or 2. More then 1000 Pikmin are dead after being the game. Impossible to beat the final level in one go. Also I didn't upgrade the dog only the fire ability to get into one cave
a problem i've noticed with nintendo lately is that the creators are SO cocky that they think their game is perfect and doesn't need DLC, even though the games we want DLC for leave almost an asinine amount to be desired (looking at you, tears of the kingdom)
How do You have 30+ hours in the Game and still havent finish it? It's almost impossible to not 100% it by normal playthroughs and that takes around 27 hours
it's so dumb that 4 is meant to be a "reboot", not that it's that big of an issue because who honestly cares about the stories in Pikmin games, but it's needlessly convoluted and poorly thought out
i talked specifically about self imposed challenges in this video and why I hate when people suggest to play games without using certain mechanics as a "solution" to some problem in a game. It's fine if you enjoy playing the game that way, but I shouldn't have to inconvenience myself to make a more interesting challenge than what the game should already be able to provide me.
@@WyrlwindBut the thing is you don't get to upgrade Otachi to carry stuff up to 100 right away. You could but you would need to sacrifice other stuff you can upgrade if you want to upgrade his strength to full. You never mentioned in the video that in order to upgrade oatchi you need pup drives that you only get by saving cast aways. There are many useful things you can upgrade oatchi. So for most of the game you don't even have him with 100 Pikmin strength. A problem that I have, and think it would have been a good point is how they ruined the coop mode.
I don't know how the tone in my voice at the end didn't make it obvious that what I was saying was a joke, I was disappointed the bulbmin didn't appear but it certainly didn't ruin my experience
Yup, especially with Kirby and The Forgotten Land. Both Pikmin 4 and that game, while not the most challenging games in the world, still provided some of the most joyful experiences I've ever had in a video game.
My biggest problem is that riding oatchi makes a ton of bosses that would kill tons of pikmin easy af
rest in peace man at legs, you will be missed
FYM he is still kind of difficult for some
@@Idi0tperson1 I’m talking about multiple bosses
Like the bigger bulblax, the water wraith, the king legs, etc.
@@HattereneRaven to be fair, you can just use few upgrades for oatchi, and best said bosses without.
you out here questioning the wrong questions… the REAL question is where is captain charlie (good vid btw !)
Yes where!
He's my favorite too
He’s in it?
*he is dead.*
I really hope that in like Pikmin 6 or 7, when we finally have every color as a Pikmin type, there will be a real challenge, where you have to use all of them with a maximum of 500 Pikmin on the field to solve puzzles, fight bosses and carry back treasure with like 5 captains and maybe a multiplayer with up to 5 people to each play as one captain. I want to manage a huge number of diverse pikmin with many unique abilities and uses across a large amount of captains together with my friends, but also alone with all of the things adapting to not be too difficult alone, but not too easy with others. I want to feel overwhelmed, not with time, but with my pikmin population, I want to hectically plan with my friends, scream when a pikmin dies and laugh when we all are just too dumb to manage all of the things. It would be great.
While this sounds like the most fun multiplayer pikmin game ever and I do want to see this happen, it just wouldn't fly since Pikmin has been primarily a single player experience and lets just say 5 player would be impossible without either everyone owning a copy or some sort of download play service gets into the switch.
(ngl 500 pikmin and 5 captain sounds like it would feel like VRChat levels of chaos)
Great vid man! (I told you they were never hinting at the bulbmin)
They absolutely were and you'll never convince me otherwise
I see Oatchi as an example of QoL changes that diminish small areas of gameplay/trivialize micro difficulties, kind like the Palamutes in Monster Hunter Rise, another dog companion that trivializes small actions, like sharpening your weapon/healing on the go.
The worst part about this game is how enemies dont respawn above ground
duuude yeah I was so confused about that, I thought they'd respawn eventually but nope, the same dead enemies are still rotting where you left them 10 days later lol
This is defo a point I agree with, I think it would’ve been nice if it at least worked similarly to Pikmin 2 with enemies respawning after a couple of days, and possibly even stronger enemies and bosses spawning in later on.
@NunnyTheDog enemies respawning was in every game, not just 2
Which makes the change all the more baffling, it's been there from 1-3 so why suddenly remove it?
The only reason i can think of for them to remove it is how certain enemies spawn on bases, but at that point they could just set those specific enemies to not respawn
Speaking from someone who REALLY REALLY likes 4, I will admit the formation of lacking enemies in game is a bit odd knowing that 3 felt a lot easier, as such said enemies spawned time to time. (But we can agree 2 had the worst pikmin balance overall.
The reason bulbmin aren’t in pikmin 4 is probably glow pikmin cause they basically replace them by being immune to all elements being usable in all caves the stun attack and having a whole mode only they are usable in
yeah I get that, I was just a bit disappointed they didn't even show up in 1 cave
They were found to existed previously in a datamine but not implemented, possibly could appear in DLC
@@StockImageOfAMan ok
Oatchi seriously needs a weight limit. Like he can only carry 50 pikmin. NOT 100
I tried to do an Oatchi-less run but they made the game specifically for him. Like there are caves you can't reach without oatchi. I'm trying my best with bomb rocks for the vases and stuff but i cant really jump 💀
you could always a try minimum oatchi run, since no oatchi is almost flat out impossible
Dang, dude! I never really thought of a lotta that stuff since I've only played 4, but yeah Oatchi definitely gives a couple too many shortcuts. I really liked the way you talked about self-imposed challenges! That's something that I hear people mention all the time but never really get into actually talking about. Great stuff!!!!!
thanks!
I def agree Oatchi is really broken and i def wished he was nerfed a lot, cause what I love about Pikmin is the challenge, hence why i just did a run without using oatchi's rush and riding him, and honestly the experience felt a lot more like what I wanted, I recommend doing this for everyone that wanted that challenge, not to say that improves the issues the game has. Even then i greatly enjoyed my time with pikmin 4 and the years they had to make it show. Hopefully 5 has some better balancing that doesnt require you to basically set ur own challenge runs to improve it
Yeah oatchie really breaks this game lol. Like sometimes I would just leave my captain and pikmin at the start of the cave and have oatchie go in to clear out any and all hazards. Especially because of the lab upgrades giving him immunity to fire, ice, poison, etc and how readily available they are. White pikmin are pretty much just obsolete in this game since you get the poison immunity before even seeing them once.
yeah lol, like I appreciate them TRYING to give white pikmin more of a purpose rather than being a hindrance like in 2, but you still don't need to use them in most scenarios
I know this is kinda nit picky but I really liked the feeling of have the squad of Pikmin follow you everywehre you go
The only enemy encounter that seems to be balanced with Oatchi in mind is the very final boss, every other enemy and boss in the game is way easier than they'd be in any other game thanks to the ability to gather all Pikmin units in a single hitbox with hyper speed and offensive options
yeah that's one thing I will say, I loved the final boss cause it actually felt like it was designed with Oatchi in mind
As someone who has played all 4 games, I think 4 might be my least favorite. Maybe slightly better than 2. The excessive handholding kills a lot of the fun. Yeah, I get they wanted to make it easier for newcomers, but there are much better ways of doing it. I know that, cause Pikmin 3 exist.
With the awful, forced auto-aim, obnoxious gameplay interrupting tutorials (I've gotten tutorial cutscenes on how to save pikmin as late as the final area of the game) and the game blatantly telling you what pikmin you'll need, it just feels like the devs just don't trust players intelligence, or abilities.
Pikmin 4 also relies way too much on referencing the previous games, and with that being said, almost everything 4 does, a previous pikmin game has done significantly better. Pikmin 3's Mission mode and Bingo Battle, are way better than the dull dandori battles and challenges.
The levels felt much worse and a lot less unique, compared to 1, 2, or 3s areas.
The only real improvements were the caves, but they still hurt the pacing and flow of the game.
The only new bone in Pikmin 4 are the night time missions which were highly disappointing and extremely dull.
I wish they focused more on making pikmin 4 stand out, in good ways of course. Instead like 70% of Pikmin 4 is just "Hey! Remember this thing from [insert pikmin title here]"
I totally get where you're coming from. personally I'm very mixed on the overworld areas, I want to like them but it feels like they're all missing something. Especially the last two areas, they feel a whole lot more linear than the previous ones since the focus at that point has shifted to searching for Louie. Oh and yeah I 100% agree with you on the night missions, they were so... empty. They only got very mildly challenging at the very end, and even then the missions usually end just AS they're becoming somewhat stressful
@@Wyrlwind The overworlds definitely do not make full use of their much larger scale.
Like, did you know Blossoming Arcadia, only has 5 walls in the entire map. (1 dirt, 1 electric, 2 ice, and 1 reinforced)
By comparison, the Garden of Hope has a total of 14 (6 dirt, 4 electric, 3 crystal, and 1 bamboo)
Like what happen here? The areas in 4 feel more like hub worlds for the caves and dandori stuff, rather than actual levels.
Another thing I notice. Due to the maps only having 3 hazards, you can easily beat them after your first few visits, and there's never a need to backtrack. The maps in the previous 3 games all contained a wide variety of hazards, so they were more open to backtracking. Discovering new pikmin just felt more exciting when you could take them back to previous areas to open up new paths/sections.
4 has this to some degree, but it's only for the area the pikmin is discovered in.
I wouldn't even call the caves an improvement tbh
Don't get me wrong, not having 2's bs and having actual layouts and puzzles is a massive improvement
The problem is it feels like they dont get harder until the final cave. There's only one cave before the end that's 6 floors long and it's in the SECOND AREA (not to mention it has 2 bosses so it's not really any different from anything else). The caves in the final region aren't any longer than caves you'd be seeing in the second and third area. Compared to the Cavern of Chaos and Hole of Heroes, which were genuine challenges on their own despite being optional. Caves were meant to be a test of maintaining your resources (pikmin)... which doesn't mean much when here almost every cave is just 3/4/5 levels deep
@@OriginalGameteer I don't think lengthening the caves would've helped in their difficulty. Especially considering the fact that time now passes. It would've just made the cave disrupt the game's flow even more.
What the caves really need to do was:
A. Remove the pikmin limit.
B. Use hazards/enemies/puzzles in a more creative way.
Despite the fact that you can technically use more than 3 pikmin types in a cave, the game still builds the caves around the 3 pikmin type limit. And most caves only use only 1 hazard at a time per floor. And the puzzles are mainly just, hit a button to lower a gate, or switch conveyor belts .
The caves would've benefited from using multiple hazards, and more creative puzzles.
Like say, have all the treasure in bodies of water, but have a lot of electrical wires running in them to "electrify" the water, preventing you and blue pikmin from entering it, and instead requiring you to navigate around them and find the power source to switch off. All while battling enemies along the way. They could've even made the "power source" an enemy, or miniboss.
Pikmin 3 is literally the best experience. Proper cutscenes, a nice story progression, amazing controls, and a beautiful world that feels pretty open.
Pikmin 4 feels very small and confined honestly. Like, it’s still a good experience but the auto lock makes me wanna die. And the game also just didn’t feel like it has much replayability.
lol not at all, Pikmin 3 was too short and too easy, it replaced the swarm with the charge when the swarm was better in just about every way, less camera options than in either Pikmin 1 or 2, the pikmin AI felt worse than in Pikmin 2 and actually the game felt like a downgrade from Pikmin 2 in many ways, which was made even more disappointing by how long it took to release. You say Pikmin 4 felt small and confined while Pikmin 3 felt pretty open? Are you sure you're not getting the two games mixed up here? Because literally the opposite is true. Pikmin 4 is better in just about every way and while Pikmin 3 may not be objectively the worst Pikmin game, it is my least favourite.
@@tessaPMpro@tessaPMpro i disagree, to me pikmin 3 felt way more open. yeah sure pikmin 4 was technically more open, but most of the openness in pikmin 4 had nothing in it, it just made it longer to get around anywhere. definitely disagree here, and imo pikmin 4 is by far the worst in the series, the previous 3 all blow it out of the water. and as for the multiplayer, for me thats always been half the fun of pikmin, but for my sister and i, pikmin 4 was suuuch a huge disappointment. both pikmin 2 and especially 3s multiplayer were so high quality and interesting, while 4s was lazy and felt tacked on. and honestly i cant even bring myself to replay pikmin 4 at this point, with its extremely long and over-tutorialized intro. i hate how much the characters talk, and oatchi makes everything a joke. ive replayed the previous 3 games countless times, but this is the first pikmin game i genuinely dread to play again. but thats just my opinion. not trying to discount yours, just wanted to say this.
Pikmin 3 was great but finished when it truly began. Pikmin 4 is nice but aside from curing Otachi and rescuing people, there is no story.
3, despite being rushed and having a map cut out of the game at the last minute, is still one of my favorite pikmin experiences. it is by far one of the best in my opinion. at least it has an identity instead of relying on another game's story to shittily tell another retconned one that barely makes any sense. at least it has bosses that aren't an enemy just scaled bigger. at least it doesn't have a dog that makes it a baby game. at least it's not SOLELY focused on giving fanservice and being a love letter to the whole franchise instead of having its own identity. pikmin 4 is the worst game in the franchise, hands down. its just pikmin 3: pikmin 2 edition.
edit: AND THE MUSIC IN P3!! you absolutely cannot forget about that. some of the best tracks in the franchise.
@mxcksrealm which map was cut out and why was it cut??
Oatchi only added to the strategy of the game. Even if he's strong, he is only one unit. And he's not good for piles of gold or raw materials, where Pikmin numbers are still important. The Dandori challenges specifically showcased how good he can be and can actually improve Pikmin management. His rush added an interesting element to the combat which was prior just "charge / c stick, or throw". Oatchi only added options and made me want to better strategize.
I’ve played through Olimar’s ship wreck about 3-4 times now, it’s really fun
Well to be fair the armoured cannon beetle is now a pikmin 1 exclusive since in pikmin 4 it’s not called the armoured cannon beetle it’s called the horned cannon beetle a new species.
I do wish bulbears revived themselves again and if they did add that they would revive a lot faster. They need to make enemies a lot more tankier. I wish the man at legs was beefier he’s just a joke now I killed him 3 times in 1 cycle because of the dogs.
They should of added Gatling groinks back and made electricity more lethal. Something that made 2 REALLY annoying and difficult.
But to be bias the great sage levels are actually quite challenging to do if you try to get platinum.
fun fact about being able to skip caves tho it more of another thing about skipping stuff you can skip entire areas if you grind the ones you currently have to 100 percent
I can be okay if Bulbmin dont appear but when I met the puffstoll....and i made 100 Pikmin go to it....i except Puffmin......NOT DANCING PIKMIN
game is easy now
pikmin fan: eh no biggie the gameplay is goo-
theres no puffmin
pikmin fan: thats pretty ba-
and no bulbmin
pikmin stan: *REAL $HIT*
Strongly disagree (Respectfully)
To be honest, a lot of what this video critiques are parts I enjoyed. Although I agree on some parts I think a lot of things mentioned here were stuff I think Pikmin 4 got right, and I personally think it’s the best game in the series! I don’t want to bombard you with my opinions in just some random comment but I think that a lot of this is definitely very subjective. Still a good video though for sure, just wanted to put my two cents in.
You make some pretty good points. 4 is the only pikmin game i have played (yet cause im just finishing sage trials before going to play 1,2,3) i loved this game, as it was designed to get new comers into the franchise and im a newcomer but if i was a vet player i wouldnt want my game series being noobified. Especially since i have a heavy preference for games that force to engage with the games systems and mechanics as much as possible. Ill definitely need to play 1, 2, and 3 though to compare.
1, 2, and especially 3 are wonderful. for a very short rundown; 1 is the most strategic, 2 is the most stressful, and 3 is the most fun. once you play em, you should come back and let us know how you liked them! its always fun hearing newcomers' experiences especially with 2 haha.
The problem here is that they made oatchi the ultimate good boi.
30 hours? That’s nothing. Put 70 hours into one playthrough with absolute 100%.
Did you get the purple onion though?
yes
not using Oatchi or using less pikmin is totally valid it's easy with Oatchi so that people who can't handle the difficulty of pikmin without him especially in later levels but still gives you the option to just not use him or take out less pikmin if the game doesn't feel hard enough it's basically like a difficulty select, although maybe the game would benefit from an actual difficulty select Easy is the game as per usual except you can use all pikmin types and 100 pikmin without flarlic, normal is game as per usual, hard removes Oatchi, Very hard reduces max pikmin to 50 and removes Oatchi, Extreme removes Oatchi 60 pikmin limit and brings back the day limit and shortens days by like 3 mins or smth, and super mega extreme all the stuff in extreme but the enemies and bosses are faster and have more HP. or a custom difficulty would probably be better where you could like toggle Oatchi, The day limit, pikmin limits, enemy strength and how much time is in a day, I feel like that would benefit all players but the way you can modify difficulty already sin't awful just could use a little bit of work
Completely agree with this video. Amazing job
Glad you back.
Oatchi is precious. :3
My fav new Pikmin is the glow Pikmin, mostly because of the design, its abilities, and overall presence. :3
@@ferringsylveon219 yeah i love the glow pikmin
@@Wyrlwind They even look more alien than the other ones. Groovy Long Legs is definitely my fav Pikmin boss.
I genuinely like the game, but the forcing of Oatchi onto the player and making the game feel more like 'player & Oatchi adventure' with the pikmin being a side piece felt a belt mellow. Also the lack of reason for Louie being the main villain and ignoring the other dimension villain from the previous games was a bit odd. Like, they had nearly 10 years and they couldn't give a good reason for Louie to be bad? Really? He just faints after turning people to leaf-min and attempting to kill you and its just...laughed off. 🙃
None of the Puzzles in Pikmin 4's cave match the puzzles in 3's worlds, & the cave environments aren't interesting, they feel procedural in layout, thematically one-dimensional, & in large part recycled from 2; they are also too centered around combat, which is bad because the combat in this game is bad(on account of the terrible controls)
As a worker for Nintendo, allow me to explain.
As the reason for why Bulbmin are not there, the only Bulbmin we had left ate 71 pounds of sand and died.
For Puffmin, somebody accidentally deleted the files, and we couldn’t find their proper color again.
(These are jokes btw)
Nuh uh... *sand falls out my mouth*
Type limit should've been 5 and the game should've been called "Pikmin 4 & Oatchi" not just "Pikmin 4"
I love certian monsters as well, but I feel a bit insulted about you hating the random cave generation in 2. But I admit it's honestly not nice, I'm just a sucker for it personally. I understand it likely not the best.
but I have different than oatchi. oatchi is just symtom of some of these issues.I personally love him cause it somewhat reminds me of my dog. and even the gripe of oatchi doesn't look like how bulbie does. is moot. due to it SPAAAACE.... but still I have many issues with pikmin 4 it has SOOO MUCH POTENTIAL AND THE THINGS ADVERTISING HINTED AT JUST MAKES IT WORSE AND WORSE AND AAAAAAH!!
i think using unreal engine was a mistake
everything looked much better in pikmin 3
I personally don’t really like the fact that there are basically no boss fight cutscenes in Pikmin 4(excluding the final boss), I went throughout the whole game not knowing what was a boss or not until getting to the final boss.
If the next game brings back all the pikmin with some new ones on top of that then they should try to raise the pikmin cap up to 150 or 200.
Maybe the could integrate the flarlic item in to the expanded pikmin cap. Like maby you start the game with a 50 pikmin limit and neer the end you have full expanded it to 200 pikmin.
I have a very complicated relationship with Pikmin 4. I like it but I think it has a lot of problems. I keep hearing people say that Pikmin 4 is perfect, but I completely disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good game and I had fun with it but it has a lot of problems. Oatchi basically makes most Pikmin obsolete. It makes Pikmin 4 feel anti Pikmin💀. I think Pikmin 1 and 3 are absolute masterpieces but 2 and 4 are just ok. I honestly think hey pikmin is better than pikmin 2. Pikmin 2 may be may least favorite in the series but I was honestly kind of disappointed with Pikmin 4 because of all of its problems that sometimes I would say that it’s my least favorite. And absolutely none of this is coming from nostalgia because I played all of the games back to back for the first time in preparation for Pikmin 4 a month before it came out
Everything your saying here is exactly what I thought with the game and it's been bugging me how everyone else seems to just think the game is perfectly fine outside of some small problems when it's not, I don't think the game is bad but some of the choices they made were not well thought out or were just undoing the good changes Pikmin 3 deluxe had. I would understand most of the choices for trying to draw in newer players or non-gamers, but I find the game is still to stressful even for them so it's sitting in this kind of awkward ground where it's to easy for people way into it, and it's to stressful for hyper casuals doing things for the 1st time. I don't think removing Oatchie is the right thing to do, but I do agree with nerfing him, the game is built to much around using him that it just would just all need to be reworked, I also don't think removing types is the right thing to do either as I feel other than winged I found myself using all of them, instead they just need to give said types more things that only they can do or do better such as the yellows where I think this was the game I was using them the most, and not just because of a instant death hazard but rather for their other traits too. I also wish all the caves were twice as long other than the last one, they all just end so quickly I feel not letting the gimmicks of a hole really flesh out as much as I would have wanted. Overall nothing in the game really matters which makes me ask myself why should I care? Pikmin deaths don't matter when all of them are so easy to regain even without the onions since you can just go straight to any floor in any cave you want at anytime, leaving in the middle of a cave without using an exit as no punishment so why not abuse it? sprays are so stupid easy to get that even when your not going for them you will still have 30+ by the time your done everything, captain knock outs don't matter when you can just walk straight back over to the fallen captain and just wake them up and keep going like nothing happened. That is all not talking about the rewind which is over kill, it's all built just to get itself over with as fast as possible and not put up any real resistance unless you don't use any of your tools.
Anyways good video.
yeah I feel like there's been this bizarre unwillingness people have to criticize nintendo games recently, and it's been the most apparent with Pikmin 4 (EDIT: Should've clarified that I really was only referring to Zelda Totk and Pikmin 4 but maybe more people have been criticizing the games than I thought.)
That's not true people criticize Nintendo games all the time. Mario 3D all stars got heavily criticized, the new Mario sport games have been criticize and still do to this day. The first wave of the Mario Kart 8 deluxe was heavily criticize. So I don't know we're you are getting that straw man because that is simply not true. The Pokemon games have been heavily criticized as well. People bash Nintendo on Twitter or X, every day and don't even get me started on the online discourse. Just because two games haven't been criticized (Pikmin 4, Tears of the Kindom) doesn't mean that people don't criticize Nintendo games. Before Tears of the Kindom we had the Pokemon violet and scarlet discourse. You want to know why people aren't criticizing Tears of the Kindom and Pikmin 4? Hear me out maybe, just maybe they have a different opinion from you and don't see the things you see as problems as a problem? Also add the fact that it is literally the first time a lot of people know what Pikmin even is. But anyway, saying Nintendo games aren't criticized is a Straw Man falacy. Oh, I almost forgot. Tears of the Kindom did actually did get critici, remember glorified DLC? Some people who clearly haven't played the game still call it that, so I think it is safe to say that people do criticize Nintendo and Nintendo in general all the time.
@@arminarlert7273 okay lol point taken
@@WyrlwindAnyways I don't want you to see as me saying your video or bad or anything. In fact agree with many of the points and I believe you left out one point that should have been in the video. And it is the fact that they totally removed the coop mode we had in Pikmin 3 Deluxe. Like, what is up with that? We had a proper coop mode in Pikmin 3 only for it to be removed from Pikmin 4 and replaced by a shitty Mario Galaxy and Odessy style of coop?
@@arminarlert7273 dude that was so disappointing lol. I'm glad everyone seems to be in agreement that it's the "little brother mode" of co-op modes. I can't wait to... throw rocks at enemies
ngl I think oatchis whole reason was to appear to players to sell the game more
One of my main issues with Pikmin 4 is simply that it has awful pacing. The crew speaks WAY too much. I’m all for a more involved story (one of the big reasons why I liked Pikmin 3), but there’s still a limit. I couldn’t even finish the demo because I was bored out of my mind most of the time.
My other big issue with Pikmin 4 is the TERRIBLE Ui. Especially coming from someone diagnosed with OCD, this game has genuinely some of the worst Ui design i have ever seen. There’s way too many options’ subsections, and everything’s organized terribly. It’s overly complicated, and extremely confusing to navigate. Also, it visually pales in comparison to Pikmin 3’s UI aesthetic. I do prefer this more digital-like style (rather than 3’s more organic-like style), but I just hate how it was executed. It doesn’t feel tasteful nor consistent between the different menu subsections and pop-in balloon messages.
I remember when I saw that flarlics were still around after getting the 100 pikmin limit. I thought that maybe they'd let you carry more than 100 pikmin ir let you take out more types at a time, but then they just gave nectar and sprays, which felt very annoying and pretty pointless to have so many flarlics
Really glad you made this video. This game is great and deserves praise but that’s all I’ve really seen so far. Oatchi totally usurps the point of the series… that being to strategize and utilize your army of Pikmin. And unfortunately because of the reception, there will probably be a similar mechanic in every installment moving forward. That’s not even mentioning auto-lock, haha.
It’s also worth noting that glow Pikmin are completely busted. I ended up with roughly 100 glow seeds just through natural game progression, and then used them to nuke the final boss.
dude yeah you can grind glow pikmin seeds so easily too, it's ridiculous
Maby thay could remove Oatchi by giving his abilities to the other pikmin that are right now underused.
Like giving blue pikmin the ability to charge, giving rock pikmin the ability to break any vase and finally giving the yellow pikmin the ability the ability to carry bomb rocks exclusively.
And for auto lock i wouldn't remove it i would just put it in a easy mode for beginners and have the normal mode lack the auto lock so you actually have practice aiming and make fighting enemies/bosses.
The dog and the lock on ruined this game for me. I will be putting it with a select few games in my “pretend it didn’t happen” pile.
Don't forget that the game *actively suggests using the rewind feature,* it's like thinking isn't required to play the game anymore.
i feel like the final bosses design is bad and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the bosses
I think the final bosses design is quite great It's based on a shi zu and really shows some lore on where oatchi came from.
@@melvacaoyona-ollosa278yeah but still, oatchi seems like filler and I prefer the original enemies introduced in 1, 2 , and 3
You said pikmin /4 sucks dont make things worse we waited 9 years and 11 months for this game myamoto is going to see the video and delete the game 😔😔😔
Good video Moss better than oatchi😊😊😊
Otachi ruined pikmin 4 imo.
I give you 3 words as to why 3 Deluxe is still the best game; Auto Lock On!
The game may tell you what oikmin types you should bring in but nothing is stopping you from replacing one of thr types that it reccomends that are not neccisarily required but may be more helpful, for instance in the first are red pikmin have 2 use cases in the two firey blowhogs, you could forgo using them and bring in more of other types or mabye bring in some purples or wings.
I want to mention that this video is well pit together I just wanted to have a counterpoint I noticed.
want bulbmin?
sure, just gimme time...
I think your self imposed challenge talked sums up how i feel about parts of 4
After playing through pokemon SV, ive started to have the stance of "If a game only becomes hard when I deliberately dont use the tools they clearly want me to use, then the game has failed with its difficulty"
With the auto suggest, im mixed. On the overworld, 100% agree it doesnt really need to be there. In caves, i think its definitely forbthe best however
Honestly I agree with most of this but I also have one major problem with something and that is WINGED PIKMIN, they did my babies extremely dirty, also Rock Pikmin, basically they get completely underused and most of the things that made them useful and cool GOT REMOVED, Rock Pikmin are still strong and are even stronger than purples with Oatchi rush but the EXTREME lack of crystal and rock Pikmin needed enemies is awful, there is barely any need to use the rocks because you can even destroy and kill the bare 2 crystal walls in the whole game and the only actual rock needed enemy with a bomb easily, sure thy can be fun to use but you don’t really ever need to actually use them, and for the winged Pikmin I see the vision they had but it just didn’t work, I loved the concept of mud pits and that winged Pikmin could grab things in the mud to be able to transport it but this doesn’t work at all when introducing mud pits SO LATE into the game and having so little use of actual things in the mud (actually I don’t think there is any actual treasure in the mud pits just enemies so you never even really need the winged to carry anything other than enemies or stuff from the mud) but also because they took away most of the winged Pikmin’s use features, bamboo walls and BEING ABLE TO BE CHARGED UNDERWATER, honestly I’m just really against how they made them work, there is also not flying enemies AT ALL that need wingeds or that it is more convenient to use them, you can’t charge them or command them at all in water or while riding Oatchi and it just makes them actually feel weird to use and they just look unfinished imo
I was so sad to see the crystals removed, they're so satisfying to destroy in 3. I completely agree with you on winged pikmin and rock pikmin although I do still like carrying rock pikmin around since they're my favorite
@@Wyrlwind Yes, honestly I love winged and rock Pikmin and I was so sad that you couldn’t even use them properly until post game, I really was hoping there was a 7th zone where u needed the most underused Pikmin which where by far Winged, Rocks and maybe purples since they are also basically useless and overshadowed since even without Oatchi you can still deal with most of the enemies normally with the usual Pikmin by just charging or throwing, also to fix winged and rocks crystal walls needed to be as important as in Pikmin 3 and maybe a little Lake-Rocky zone would have been an amazing place to expand on both of the rocks and wingeds, also the wingeds path tracking seems unfinished and whack (they don’t even take the shortcuts they should at times) I only use wingeds a lot because they are basically immune to dying to most enemies immediately and because the flying is an extremely great redeeming factor but that doesn’t change that they were made wrong.
Pikmin free :D
At 2:05 you say, "It would have been so much cooler to see the Water Wraith return". I'm confused, this boss is in Pikmin 4. You see in the Engulfed Castle cave, and during one of the Safe Leaf Trials.
I agree tho with your assessment that the game babies you with Oatchi and the rewind feature.
I said that it would have been cooler if a bunch of other bosses from 1&2 weren't already reused
Wish you could swarm from the git-go. I also wish you could swarm without moving the camera while walking.
yeahhh, I also wish swarming didn't act like the charge ability when you're directing your pikmin to a treasure. I hate that it caps off at the exact weight of the item, that's like half of what I used it for in 1&2
Not unlocking swarming until the final dungeon is such a bizarre decision
It's not even that good in Olimars Tale since from my experience you unlock Rush immediately after it
Highly disagree
If I ever play pikmin 4 I am just not going to use Ochi. It is possible to play without using him right?
For the most part I think so, there are a couple things you need him for though
@@Wyrlwind Okay. Thank you for the info.
I think having 8 types over world and 9 types in cave without the 3 type limit is decently balanced cuase the less of each type you can have since the limit is still 100 pikmin
im not a huge fan of the new cartoony redesign but i do love that almost everything is back AND PIKMIN 4 EXISTS!!!!
Honestly I have a hard time and had a difficult time playing Pikmin 4 , probably because I keep forgetting to use the dog.
Funny thing, when you play the battle mode you can always beat it with the dog with no Pikmin.
However every time I fight some boss I forget to ride the dog and think it's Pikmin 3 or 2.
More then 1000 Pikmin are dead after being the game.
Impossible to beat the final level in one go. Also I didn't upgrade the dog only the fire ability to get into one cave
I feel like an ultra spicy mode would fix most of my problems with pikmin 4, DLC Perhaps?
As much as I'd love to see DLC for Pikmin 4 I kinda doubt it would actually happen. I would be glad to be wrong though
a problem i've noticed with nintendo lately is that the creators are SO cocky that they think their game is perfect and doesn't need DLC, even though the games we want DLC for leave almost an asinine amount to be desired (looking at you, tears of the kingdom)
@@murmirr this has to be the worst take ive ever seen on the internet
Let me to explain that the caves are realy just reused caves utr ec sc
How do You have 30+ hours in the Game and still havent finish it? It's almost impossible to not 100% it by normal playthroughs and that takes around 27 hours
i dunno lol, i was taking my time with it I guess? didn't really wanna rush through it
My main issue with pikmin 4 is that ochie is waay too powerful. Makes everything way too easy. My other complain is they fd up the chronology
it's so dumb that 4 is meant to be a "reboot", not that it's that big of an issue because who honestly cares about the stories in Pikmin games, but it's needlessly convoluted and poorly thought out
So basically this is your least favorite Pikmin game I assume?
my ranking from worst to best would probably go 2>4>1>3
@@Wyrlwind What would you rate out of 10 for Pikmin 4.
@@Rediscool9 maybe 6/10? might have to give it some more thought though
@@Wyrlwind Damn, a 6/10? Can’t say I agree with that in all honesty.
@@Rediscool9 I'm leaning more towards a 6 because it's certainly not a bad game, but there's a lot that brings it down for me
I do not like the ending were you said pikmin 4 sucks cuz its one of the games that i really like but its ok 😢.
the ending of the vid is mostly a joke lol
@@Wyrlwind okay then great vid by the way.
If you don't like that otchi can count as more than 20 mpikmin than don't ugrade him past that
i talked specifically about self imposed challenges in this video and why I hate when people suggest to play games without using certain mechanics as a "solution" to some problem in a game. It's fine if you enjoy playing the game that way, but I shouldn't have to inconvenience myself to make a more interesting challenge than what the game should already be able to provide me.
@@WyrlwindBut the thing is you don't get to upgrade Otachi to carry stuff up to 100 right away. You could but you would need to sacrifice other stuff you can upgrade if you want to upgrade his strength to full. You never mentioned in the video that in order to upgrade oatchi you need pup drives that you only get by saving cast aways. There are many useful things you can upgrade oatchi. So for most of the game you don't even have him with 100 Pikmin strength. A problem that I have, and think it would have been a good point is how they ruined the coop mode.
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thank you bulbmin from pikmin
Omg its the funny one who
Made video! Hi! I'm bulbmin
Team bulbmin ❤
Isn't oatchi suppose to be reliable? Because he is a rescue dog, and he seems pretty reliable to me.
Oatchi is... good dandori
Buddy, just because they did not add the Borman doesn’t mean you have to hate pikmin 4
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I don't know how the tone in my voice at the end didn't make it obvious that what I was saying was a joke, I was disappointed the bulbmin didn't appear but it certainly didn't ruin my experience
Gaming is not about difficultly
It's about how fun your experience with the game is.
good difficulty can make a game more fun though, if it's too easy it just gets boring
Yup, especially with Kirby and The Forgotten Land. Both Pikmin 4 and that game, while not the most challenging games in the world, still provided some of the most joyful experiences I've ever had in a video game.
THIS GAME SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!