Reloading: Autoloader vs Revolver ("What if" Brigade Special)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Paul tests which is faster to reload with loose ammo. An autoloader, or a revolver.
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In reviewing this presentation I could see how someone could erroneously infer that it's an angry rant. It isn't we had fun filming this vid. Also there have been a few comments about the pistol under my armpit. That won't look good to flag half of humanity and the gun In the armpit doesn't work well if you have to take cover quickly. Some people have suggested that an auto can be partially reloaded by single loading a round into the chamber. Remember, the object of the partial reload was that you were intending to completely reload and then you were interrupted.
I think most of us understand, or should understand, that this comparison is a bit obscure. Any of the downfalls on both types of guns can be mitigated by either training or preparation. But to another point you have made several times in other videos, the overwhelming majority of scenarios are over well within in the fully loaded capacity of either a revolver or an automatic weapon. In the very few instances where reloading would be necessary, most of us would be screwed anyway. The minority that have had the training to keep their head while being shot at and could reload effectively, would also be the one that would probably carry extra magazines or speed loaders. As for the security guards you mentioned that have restrictions, I would assume they would have speed loaders at hand in addition to their loose ammo, just not on their belt. Either way, once shots are fired the situation has escalated to a point where other factors such as alarms and police calls would be initiated, the offenders would more than likely be looking for an escape, not a shootout.
I can't believe you didn't want to elaborate at the end :) Thank you for the video !!!
I don't think you enjoy doing these videos quite as much as we do watching. A lot of us drop what we are doing just to watch! Carry on brother, carry on.
Damn it Paul you squashed my half-minded rebuttal in your comments with your own comment
You truly are a legend
I can't get enough of this guy's knowledge and his ability to explain it.
"What If Brigade Special"... Ooh, boy! He's about to get snarky! *Rubs hands and cackles with unholy glee*
Time to break out the emergency ration of popcorn 🥳🥳🥳
Where did you learn to talk like that? Its a great vocabulary :)
@@mydemon I read... a lot.
I just found this channel a few weeks ago, and have watched almost every video you have posted. This is a must watch channel for anyone who likes to prove things using the scientific method when it comes to firearms. Please keep up the good work!
Mr. Harrel I applaud your efforts.
As always your knowledge, rationale, and snark are not just highly educational but also extremely entertaining, thanks!
This was both fascinating and entertaining. I didn't even go to 2x speed! Excellent job! And, thank you for the thought-provoking exercise.
Always keep your eye on the ball - great advice.
I had a 38 spec revolver - S&W model 10 to be precise - which I bought used in 1977 or '78. I found myself shooting it less frequently, so I let a family member have the gun around 2014. For most of the years I owned it, I shot it sporadically, but probably went through AT LEAST a couple boxes of ammo one or more weekends a month. Computing the 100 round/month, 12 months per year, over 35 years. Just to be ultra conservative, we'll say I did this much shooting with it for at least 30 years. This puts the number of rounds fired well over 30,000 or, to put it another way, NUMBER =/> SEVERAL.
While I cannot recall the exact number of rounds fired, I do know the precise number of failures experienced.
Failure to fire 0
Failure to eject 0
Failure to feed 0
All other jams/failures 0
The only auto loader I have had such success with is my trusty old Ruger 22. How many other autos deliver this dependability? Probably others, but I have never seen one. However, if "putting rounds downrange" is important, an auto is the way to go. Since I consider putting rounds ON TARGET of far greater importance, and with the odds of me having to fend off a platoon being pretty slim, either would work fine in my estimation. As for reloading, putting shots on target, along with no armed platoons expected, reloading isn't a huge concern to me. But, of course, we could start what iffing...
i get the feeling paul is a little pissed at the what if brigade
The biggest takeway watching your demo is that you obviously don't have to "stow" the revolver when reloading. Putting the auto into and taking it out of your pocket, placing on a table, whatever, is the greatest difference. Add to that, it's simply easier to drop rounds into cylinder than "fit" them into a mag. Seconds add up. Great video as always Paul!
Another great video, thanks Paul!
By far the funniest ending ever
James Bond usually had just the one magazine for his Walther PPK... Happily, he has started carrying spares in recent films, but the point still stands.
I believe this was a throwback to WW2 era SOE/OSS operatives, who only needed a small pistol (like a Welrod or F45) in order to capture a more suitable weapon from the enemy.
I'm a Brit, and I think all of Paul's presentations are superb.
I'm aware some will say leave one round in the auto loader in an emergency, whilst reloading, but I have to say not to do this with an older Browning Hi - Power, as it has a magazine disconnect.
Buy spare magazines, and be done with it, not only for a faster reload, you may damage the existing magazine, then you're really stuffed.
the next paul harrell video is going to be, a sharp stick vs and chub made from a root wad pulled out a creek bank
Yep, when I started at the Sheriff’s Dept. back in 78 speed loaders were not allowed. In fact the Sgt’s at guard mount would inspect looking for speed loaders, which we all had…out in our coats in our cars. The reason? The Sheriff, an old school small town cop thought speed loaders were “too aggressive” and “I have never needed a speed loader, dump pouches will do you.” Needless to say it took a revolver armed Deputy nearly losing a gun fight with a 1911 armed bank robber and a wounded K-9 to force the department years later to allow semi autos.
As has probably already been stated in the comments and for the edification of some who might not already know, barring safety mechanisms which require a magazine being in the gun to fire, an autoloader can have one in the chamber during a reload if it wasn't completely emptied.
And thanks for the video, Paul. Not trying to gain membership in the what if brigade.
I carried S&W Airliight for years with no speadloader. Just too uncomfortable but I did carry a belt holder (whatever you call it with six cartridges. Now I carry a Sig 365 with a ten round spare clip.
Great answers to a stupid question.
Love revolvers, but I mean c’mon. That last bit with the 18 rounds going off kind of proves why revolvers are considered obsolete by most law enforcement and militaries.
5.2 seconds is a big difference. Maybe this can help some more casual gun owners who might not be the type to ensure they have plenty o mags, or in a demographic where the laws are restrictive as you said. As always Paul, an excellent analysis. Thorough. Appreciate it. As somebody who is pursuing a career with the military I am using your guides as a primer to proper gun management. Including your trigger discipline methods. In fact, I would love to see a full video on trigger discipline. It would help immensely. I know they'll drill us to death but I want to be as prepared as possible.
A lot of this comes down to people are used to reloading revolvers with lose ammunition. Even if you have speedloaders, if you spend any time on the range, you don't stand there in the booth, reload the speedloader, and then reload your revolver with it. Muscle Memory is a big part of your reaction, and speed times, which is why we do drills. Reloading an empty magazine out of pocket, standing, and looking downrange? I've never seen anybody do that before. (At most they've got a shelf with a tray of ammunition, nose down next to them to reload out of) I seriously doubt that anyone practices that particular drill all that often, because either they have loaded spare magazines, or they don't regularly run drills with all of their firearms. Specifically the ones they don't have spare magazines for. Another scenario that Paul missed on "Why wouldn't you have a spare mag? Because it's not one of those combat/self/home defense guns. It might be a backup, or just a "That's neat" gun show buy. Collectors might have guns they don't have Ammunition for, because they don't fire it. So, it might be a "Curio," but still in fireable condition. So, it's just possible that they might have to open their curio case, take out that gun, load and fire it. I don't know, you're in your study, the BGs are in the hall, and your main guns are in other rooms. Use the gun at hand.
While not a member of the "What-if" Brigade I do appreciate this video. My particular situation makes carrying an extra magazine quite inconvenient. Therefore I'm relegated to whatever is loaded in my firearm at the time. If only someone could bend physics enough to make something the size of the bodyguard that holds 20+1 of .45 ACP haha.
As always. Great video
At the very end I half expected: "And for instructional purposes only..."
Excellent info!! I didnt see all of your Christmas special video where you cooked stuff in dutch oven.. I was visiting family out of town.. and by the time ai made it home the video was gone :( I VERY much enjoyed it tho! Thanks!
The revolver vs auto loader is like beating a dead horse with a rocket launcher.
Well, it honestly feels like the revolver is the better choice, simply because loading a autoloader from loose rounds has far more steps to contend with.
-Take the magazine out
-put gun in pocket
-grab some bullets
-load bullets into magazine
*-struggle with the last two rounds because the mag spring is fighting you* (may just be me and mine)
-take gun out of pocket
-load gun with new loaded magazine
Obviously having a second or even third mag is better than a bunch of loose rounds, or a speed loader or two.
But if you are in such a situation, the revolver still seems to have the advantage of being able to reload rounds directly into the gun.
The GB is back!
"Bills' crime"..I see what you did there
Lol the what if scenarios remind of of DayZ. For the folks at home that a zombie survival game with attention to certain details. It's possible to find guns with only 1 mag or no mag so you are stopping to take ammo out of your pocket and reload your mag/chamber after/during every gun fight. Which leads to a lot less gun fights.
Bought a couple of percussion revolvers last year, have yet to by a speed loader for them ;)
They are known as preloaded spare cyls, I have thought about getting one myself with a spare cyl. just for fun on the range, going on about 30 years of thinking to be honest. Prolly won't happen.
@@MemorialRifleRange I was trying to be silly but you are right, pale rider style
Every revolver I own is either the classic cowboy single action with a loading gate, or a cheap Iver Johnson Cadet that also has a loading gate.
None of them have a cylinder that swings out for a speed loader to be used.
Every autoloader pistol I own has a 4 magazines minimum, no matter the capacity.
Rifles have a minimum of 10 standard 30 round magazines (20 rounds for the AR-10) and each rifles magazine contingent must include 1 MAXIMUM CAPACITY magazine like a 100 rounder for the AR-15 and ( I actually have 2) of the 73 round drum for the AK63-D.
I used my 9 shot .22 revolver for many years before I ever got a speed loader. Now that I have them I really like them. I have yet to get a second magazine for my .40 cal pistol. I keep planning on getting another one. Yeah laziness I know. I did get a few spare magazines for my rifle.
I have at least 5 mags for each auto loader. Even my 1006. I lucked out and bought 3 mags for it right before they became an endangered species.
I see the "what if" brigade corralled you in to making another one of these videos!
Honestly, I thought the reason they would've given was "you're deep behind enemy lines and you managed to procure a pistol from an enemy but they only had one mag and some loose rounds on them, how do you rescue the hostages at the local quicky mart with this setup?"
I figured it'd be that because that'd seem like the only time you'd need to actively reload your auto in a shooting.
This was a fun video though, even if it looked a bit awkward to reload a mag in the field while presumably under hypothetical fire.
I'm glad it came up, if only as a "do I even have to elaborate" point at the end, however I suspect that 101st Airborne What If Brigade want to know if the magazine capacity of the typical auto loader offsets the difference in number of rounds down range per minute (RDRPM) when you consider loading time.
Also, how is "under the armpit flagging half of humanity" different than carrying in a shoulder holster?
As always, thanks for the videos. Entertaining, educational, enlightening, and exceptional as always.
I have oodles of magazines for concealed carry, personal protection, home defense, for my auto loading pistols, but I DON'T have $1.50/rd to get ammo to fill them
I think speedloaders could create a wrong mindset on a police officer. Where i live, the police got more ammo capacity (and reload speed), and now we have a problem with stray bullets.
Police officers here aren't well trained, so this contributes a lot to the gun laws (civilians aren't permitted to have guns anymore, thank god).
I can be lazy, so I ordered my speed loaders from Amazon. :~) Great video. Educational and entertaining!
IT'S NOT RELEVANT WE JUST LOVE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS! NOW SHOOT A MEAT TARGET.
When i bought my 1911 i had 25 magazines for it and 4000 rounds of ammo (And a Dillon RL 650) But I do like revolvers.
Getting a second magazine may not be laziness. It may simply be that they don't buy it because the chances of needing it are about as great as hitting the lotto.
12:12 "Just for today’s presentation, [..] even though [..] for today [..] just for this comparison, [..] that is not what I would typically do, but I would do it now"
I am not 100% sure, but I think what you would like to tell us is that you are typically doing in another way...
ROFL
Hilarious.
Great Video!
Regards from Germany
(One of the most heavily regulated countries in the world regarding firearms, knives and... well basically everything.)
You can still have "instant legolas" bows, GB is fucked way more.
@@ustpcz9739
Granted, laws regarding weapons are more strikt in the UK, then they are in Germany.
But maybe it will get better now, after the UK left the EU... lol
Carry appendix with a Tier1concealed or a trex arms sidecar holster. Why? Because it really forces you to carry another magazine.
Moral of the story, inherit revolver
Threat Status: MANIFESTED
In spite of all i know and have done and seen about guns, 357 is powerful and effective if you hit the target. 1 shot v 1 self loader shot 357 outperforms most self loader calibers. You get six tries but each try has much more power provided you do your part.
Another great video by Professor Harrell. Have you done any testing regarding ported VS Non ported firearms? I'm curious to see if the supposed recoil management is an advantage over any possible loss of velocity due to the porting in effect shortening barrel length.
It's a bit nit picky, and late to the party, but I think you missed one more possibility... On an "auto loader" you can stick one round in the chamber and close the slide faster than getting a single round ready in a revolver. In this instance, you have the firearm ready to fire, and (assuming your not running something with a mag safety) are ready to fire even while loading the mag.}
However, that is a bit of an assumption that one's pistol does not have the mag safety, and of course, now your sticking a ready to fire pistol in the crook of your arm or where ever your storing it.
Please do a "what if" video about autoloader vs revolver if you are on a ship at sea but you just crossed the international date line when Pirates attack but just then Haley's Comet changes course and is headed right for you. Which would be the better option then?
In the interest of pandering to the What If brigade, imagine the following scenario: Your auto-loader runs dry, slide is locked back, you cannot make it to cover/concealment, and the aggressor is still attacking. I would leave the pistol pointed downrange, load an individual round directly into the chamber, drop the slide, and fire. Repeat as necessary. This could be faster than doing a single-round reload on a revolver. I admit this is a far-fetched scenario, but hey, that's the point of this video.
Moral of the story: get a second mag/speedloader
Or more.
I bought four extra magazines and gun came with two. This way I can go to the range with six loaded mags and shoot without having to reload.
Or be like me and buy 30 round mags for my beretta m9 and 33 round mags for my glock 17/19. Pretty much infinite ammo cheat code for real life. I hate reloading, just saying.
Adam Kaneshiro ok what do you do if you drop it or it jams? Do you have another magazine?
@@misterbaker9728 i usually carry 3 15 round magazines and 1 33 round magazine when carrying my g19c. 1 mag in chamber, 1 in left mag pocket, 1 in right mag pocket, 33 round in my inner jacket pocket. With the baretta its the same but with a different holster that has a magazine pocket. Most guns i own i have purchased with 2 to 3 mags from the manufacturer luckily and then got the others usually 2 to 3 after i save up for it or see a good deal at my LGS.
Also a side note: in the 20 plus years of shooting ive never personally had any of my magazines jam and only seen 3 m16 magazines jam in 60 marine corps rifle and pistol ranges training thousands of Marines. Not sure if thats just pure luck or a testament to Marines taking good care of their gear knowing we cant afford replacements.
Shhh, we're hunting yeahbuts!
Waskaly yabhuts
Hurricane lmao 😂😂😂
Cute
I see what you did there... nice one
HAHAHA!
To this day, instead of money, the tooth fairy puts loaded magazines under Paul's pillow.
It's all the jacket. Paul doesn't even know what the episode is going to be about till he shows up at the range and feels around for what's in his pockets this week.
Does he even loose teeth? Dental a dental assistent after all, with a fixation for perfection. And abrasive of sweets.
@@killian9314 Maybe he brings them home from work to trade the tooth fairy for ammo.
@@___meph___4547 where did you see his cakes?
TF knows better !
Yeah, but what if I don't want to hear anything that contradicts what I already believe?
Reshpeck thank you for saying that.
Then you probably need to get out of your echo chamber. That's what I'd say.
Now that's quite the quandary, isn't it? Whoever finds the solution will likely be very wealthy, very quickly.
So glad many of us here reside in Realville.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN PAUL DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 20
Paul Harrell: "And I could bore you for a half an hour with anecdotes..."
Me: No... no you couldn't. I would happily watch/listen to your videos if they were each an hour long of your anecdotes and stories.
Ditto.
SAme
Sir, I accept that challenge!
I'm ok with that
Gun stores?
"And now, the threat manifests itself!" Would be a good tshirt motto
Oh MY ! A guy MIGHT be asked to remove a garment that had that on it. It COULD be very helpful in traffic.
That would be an awesome t-shirt
"You roll a 5 for a perception check and a grue eats you"
If you Ship it to Germany, i would buy one of Every kind
Absolutely and of course the MEAT TARGET!
I knew someone who shall remain nameless that carried a 1911 with 3 mags, it took him several years to discover that only 1 of them fed properly.
I myself had an S&W 626 revolver stored for too long without using it, the spring relaxed, when I finally shot it, the firing pin wouldn't strike the round. I learned to shoot anything I own on a regular basis, thankfully when I was at a range, not in some self defense situation.
That is why i mark my carry magazines and when i go to the range I cycle rounds through all of the magazines I own.
just hearing this anecdote makes me check all my stuff!
and this folks is why we go to the range and test stuff
Was he using mags from TWO WORLD WARS ago?
Paul: "Who doesn't have a spare mag for their auto loader, who owns a revolver and doesn't buy a speed loader?"
Me: *looks down in shame.. twice*
lol
Lmao
Shame....... Shame......... Shame .....
Well, they don't make (good) speed loader for .455 Webley, so I am off the hook, right?
@@jakublulek3261I hear that a speed loader for 45LC N Frames works well for a Schofield . 😇
Some guy out there with a Makarov just unsubbed.
@rusty nuts I know that guy! He used to sit near me at work and explain how IWB carry would pit the finish on my wonder 9. Apparently his buttsweat had pitted his Commie 9 and he was convinced all pistols were equal.
@randomdoodification I've known a few pro-gun Democrats myself over the years. None were the socialist type and I found them to be more intellectually honest and consistent than other Democrats... and many Republicans. The honesty and consistency bit seems to be rarer and rarer these days among champions of either party. Oh, and I have a Makarov and bought two extra mags for a total of three the day I purchased it. :) I wish I had two more. It may be a Commie 9, but it is fun to shoot (few guns aren't, IMO) and quite accurate.
@randomdoodification Yep! And at least it is honest, too. It's blocky with a less-resistant finish and crappy European-style mag release, heavy for it's size, and not particularly powerful. But when you ask it to digest some cheap, steel-cased ammo and put those rounds in a nice, tight group, it will do so with the motivation of someone held in a basement by the NKVD.
first thing i did when i got my Mak was order 7 extra mags. They were 35 bucks a piece but i still got em
@brandon Herrera lmao
Seriously, Just once I would like him to 'bore' us for a few hours.
Not sure RUclips's policy would permit porn.
I mean, there was the .22 reliability test.
I'm sure his collective library could bore many unenlightened for hours lol.
This
You may have to use a single 30 round glock mag, shoot the gun one handed at a 45 degree angle and tactically hold up your sagging pants with your off hand. In that situation It's hard to reload an autoloader without dropping trou.
But what if you also have a blunt and lean?
from my experience and in my training i noticed that the 45 degree angle should be increased to a 70 degree angle (completely sideways) it not only increases accuracy it also increases reliability
@@___meph___4547 thank you for the correction i didn’t pay attention in that class
@@SLG-jt1rd its more of a math problem, but going from 12 'o clock to 9 'o clock, or any quarter turn, is 90 degrees.
LMFAO
*fires 19 rounds, says, "Do I even need to elaborate on that?"
Someone in the comment section feels challenged: "....hmmm...what about_______?"
Colonial Rebel if you watch one of shotgun videos,he comments on the capacity /slow rate of fire,in home defense,but he also says you can make the argument that even 30-rounds(AR-15)might not be enough.
It was 18
Well, depending on your aiming skills, level of threats, air humidity, shoe size, dexterity, the lunar cycle, elevation above sea level, side wind factors, whether or not you had beans for breakfast . . .
Yeah,,,caleb will challenge it.
I counted 18
I broke the rear sight on my 454 and it took at least 5 years to locate, purchase and install a new one. It cost less than $3. Laziness happens.
I meant to get a spare magazine for my carry gun 5.5 years ago. but that gun is a Pheonix Arms .25, mags are hard to find.
And i got a different gun after that, so I stop carrying it thankfully.
The point is, i still only have 1 mag and 30-some rounds for it. Some things just dont take priority.
“Bill’s crime.... excuse me crime bill”.... hahahahaha
I was looking for this comment 😂
From the tone of Paul's voice I found myself continualy looking for an appearance of the middle finger...
right? "one (first finger), two (middle finger)"
Same here.
"What if" brigadier reporting sir, requesting you suffer through an obsolete and obtuse gateloader for our amusement
We have a presentation on single action revolvers for concealed carry.
@@Just_Pele I've seen some guys who carry spare cylinders on a piece of coat hanger wire and they just remove the whole cylinder for a reload. Most of them practice in Cowboy Action Shooting sports and the likes but if you were to ever rely on a single action revolver for self defense that wasnt something like a Schofield pattern gun where you COULD get speed loaders for, I dont see it as being a bad idea to practice that method and get good at it.
Many people don't consider the revolver to be obsolete. They're thought of as "timeless" .....it's been a relevant platform for 175 years! This test showed how they can hold their own!
@@markshippoli8918 He's not talking about all revolvers, he's specifically talking about single action gate loaded revolvers. Just about any way you cut it, they're pretty obsolete haha. They can still be used effectively of course.
I carry a Colt engraved nickel 45 SAA as my "BBQ" gun but that's 1 or 2 times a year
Paul vs The RUclips 101st Airborn What If Brigade.
I think it's the 1337 Battalion of the 69420 Brigade.
Chairborn keyboard rangers.😁
The 101st Airborn What-if Brigade that never got off the ground.
I thought it was the 1ST Autism What If Brigade
@@theimmortal4718 you take that back
Bills crime. LOL, no that didn't involve any magazine ban, just lies about a dress. :D
Perjury is only a crime for those of us living outside of DC or without 7 figure net worths.
@divinekamikazee he had it right the first time 😎👉🏼👉🏼
Anything that infringes is a crime.
divinekamikazee it was clear he was making a joke.
6:26 "Bill's Crime" outstanding.
Time to drop whatever I was doing and watch another Paulo Harrell video.
I've never seen Mr. Harrell so annoyed by the "what if" brigade lol
got a video out of it though!
"But what if I carry a firearm but I always keep it unloaded and in my pants pocket but my spare loose rounds are in my jacket in a ziplock bag?"
@ricky gore Even if Paul Harrell is "merely displeased," you'd better run!
When I purchase a firearm I consider additional magazines as part of the cost.
I do the same.
I have one on layaway, and have been looking at buying the extra magazines now before I even have the gun.
IKR, even for my very first gun purchase I ordered a total of 5 magazines for it. But then again... we are fans Paul Harrell and logic.
Right. He used the example of inherited, out of production guns where the mags could be hard to find and/or astronomically priced. I’ve experienced that myself.
Same with the holster and any maintenance supplies.
"Bill's crime!" PERFECT! HAHAHA
I've been in a position where my agency issued only one magazine--or a revolver without speed loaders. This was during my military career from 1974 to 2010. Until the 1990's this also meant issuing only five pistol cartridges--from the 1990's on the Force Protection ammunition was either ten rounds or one full magazine depending upon being in a war zone. Sometimes it was possible to obtain more ammunition but no additional magazines. Being issued agency weapons (police, military, armed security guards) may mean being restricted to one magazine.
Great info; I didn't know this. I can't imagine a good reason for such policies.
@@bhoward9378 I don't know how good the reasons are, but off-hand I can think of two. First, the "armed" representative of a government office or corporation is regarded as untrustworthy. Second, the officially-armed person is vulnerable to being overpowered and their issue arms and ammunition will wind up in the hands of anti-government forces.
One smacks of poor personnel management policy and the second demonstrates a systemic failure to recognize and appropriately respond to the actual operating environment.
@@alancranford3398 Again, more good info. Thanks for the insight.
@@bhoward9378 You're welcome. My insight comes from studying guerrilla warfare--first as a child because guerrillas were all the rage in the Sixties, and then professionally. My viewpoint may be warped--or not.
You'll have to make another one soon dealing with the "Yeah, But" Battalion. . .
For the first 30 years I owned my first pistol I only had one magazine. After I bought another that used the same magazines that came with 2, I also bought 2 spares, so now for the two I have 5 magazines. It does happen. My father has a top break .22 that belonged to his grandfather. No speedloaders for it in over 100 years of ownership. Again it happens.
Sure it happens, but do you carry one mag and a bunch of loose rounds, or do you carry 1 mag and whatever happens after that, happens. Or alternatively, do you carry an entirely different gun that has 2 or more magazines. Genuine question, I would never carry a gun that only has one mag, if you're someone who did/does, how would you go about it?
@@neurotoksyn This does beg the classic New York Reload.
@@neurotoksyn I had at one point bought a Makarov pistol. Came with 2 mags but after a few outings with the gun one of the magazines completely broke, turns out it was damaged and I never noticed and recoil caused a crack in the magazine body that caused malfunctions.
I'd tested the pistol thoroughly enough to deem it reliable so while waiting for a spare mag to arrive I carried it for a while on just one magazine. Truthfully, I never felt bad about it. I've been involved in a few defensive shootings and my experience in those scenarios leans more towards what the statistical average on the matter shows. Most gun fights are over in 3-4 rounds and an 8 round magazine with one in the chamber is plenty to carry you through that. The one situation I had where it wasnt resolved in 3-4 or less was resolved in 8 but that WAS with a 15 round magazine.
Realistically, it's kind of once you're out you just hope that the 8-9 rounds you have are enough to end the situation. Be it you run, they run, they die, you die, etc... I wouldnt go into a situation where you'd be likely to need more than that and not have enough. But one never knows how many rounds they'll need until they know that they need it. In most situations, simply having a gun is already giving you an advantage. So for people who dont carry spares... I dont blame them. If you dont own any spares, I still wont blame you but I'd suggest if nothing else getting spares for range use but also that rare chance your magazine goes bad.
Is your father's top break .22, a "H&R .22 special" by any chance?
@@Predalien195 thank you for the reply, I'm the have it and not need it over need it and not have it type. So if for example some drug addict (which unfortunately are present in pockets in my community) refuses to go down or leave after the first mag (I carry a g43 with a +1 extension so 7+1), having the spare is added peace of mind. I've even considered swapping over to the sig 365 because round count is one of my primary concerns and 23 rounds (10+1 and a 12 or even 15 round backup) is a very compelling argument. I understand not everyone has the same mindset or opportunity for capacity so getting a little insight into a different circumstance is greatly appreciated.
The problem with the reasoning behind ammo capacity is that it stems too closely from military strategy and tactics that are often out of place in personal defense situations. The line of reasoning is that more ammo capacity means an increase in superiority of fire, which can lead one to have both offensive and defensive advantages over enemy forces. Superiority of fire allows one to 1) engage multiple targets, 2) destroy more enemy forces or equipment, 3) suppress/disrupt enemy force movements, or 4) strengthen friendly force movements (i.e. advance, flanking, retreat, etc.). These advantages are clearly necessary to win battles and wars, but the problem is that superiority of fire is rarely necessary in personal self-defense situations, and I say this leaving statistics aside and simply thinking through this point strategically and tactically. In a self-defense situation, an individual who is attacked and trying to defend himself will likely be at two disadvantages: first, he will likely be surprised and have to react to the threat without complete awareness/information (whereas the assailant will likely have this advantage), and he will likely not have back up support from other team members or units (whereas the assailant may have this support). If an individual faces an attack from only one other individual, perhaps superiority of fire can be an advantage and deciding factor of the gun fight. However, so can marksmanship, accuracy, and the firepower of the cartridge. In other words, increased ammo capacity or superior rate of fire in a personal defense situation may not necessarily lead to victory. While "superiority of fire" and "firepower" are often used interchangeably, I use "superiority of fire" to mean the ability to maintain a sustained volume of fire at either high or low rates, whereas I take "firepower" to mean the destructiveness of a weapon system. The real question is, when can anyone ever truly know that they have the superiority of fire in a self-defense situation? What if the assailant is wearing body armor, has several extended magazines, multiple firearms, or even NVGs? Even if someone is likely to carry two spare mags for self-defense, is engaging and staying in the firefight to see who has the most ammo capacity ever a risk worth taking? No, the best strategy is to engage only enough to either eliminate the enemy, provide suppressive fire for a retreat or to flee, or worst case, take a defensive position, call 911, and wait for 911 to arrive. Moreover, every shooter has to legally account for every round that is fired in a criminal or civil case. The more rounds that are fired, the more difficulty one faces accounting for them. And, even if one is justified in the shooting, if one round hurts an innocent bystander, one's case will likely be lost. If one is outgunned in firepower and not sure he or she has the skill or firepower to eliminate the enemy, then the best strategy is to retreat/flee. If one is attacked by multiple assailants, then increased ammo capacity/superiority of fire is not going to give one enough of an advantage to overcome the surprise of the attack, the lack of backup support, and being outnumbered, so the best strategy would be to retreat/flee. With that being said, I think ammo capacity is overrated for personal, self-defense situations.
Most debates of personal defense firearms and calibers almost always take place with the assumption that the sole adversary one is likely to face is against human enemies, too. However, there are two types of personal defense: defense against humans and defense against big/dangerous game (hogs, deer, elk, buffalo, moose, coyotes, black bears, grizzly bears, mountain lions, or even aggressive dogs). In the case of big/dangerous game, firepower is almost always an advantage over ammo capacity, too. First, rarely is one ever going to have to face multiple big/dangerous game adversaries, so ammo capacity is not really an advantage in this situation. Second, the likelihood of getting multiple shots on any big/dangerous game animals will also be unlikely, and hunters can draw on experience on this point. Third, the idea that the foot-pounds of energy, or momentum, or velocity are the most important metrics of cartridge effectiveness is a fallacy: the truth is that the most important factor of ballistics performance is not how much energy is generated from a cartridge, but how much energy is transferred to the target. Lastly, the idea that the kinetic energy (foot-pounds) of cartridges in a magazine is additive is also a fallacy. Some people like to take the kinetic energy of each cartridge and multiply by the number of cartridges to say that the magazine has a total kinetic energy of the sum of all of the cartridges. For instance, 15 cartridges of 147 grain 9mm at 1055 ft/s has more total kinetic energy of 5448 ft/lbs than 6 cartridges of 240 grain .44 Mag at 1300 ft/s with a total kinetic energy of 5402 ft/lbs. The problem with this idea of additive energy is several fold. It assumes that several rounds were fired and hit the target. Otherwise, in the event where only one round has been fired or hit the target, then one round of .44 Mag at 900 ft/lbs is by far more effective than one 9mm at 363 ft/lbs. Moreover, the ballistic metrics fail to consider the reality of anatomy. Hundreds of deep needle pricks to a person are likely to be more deadly than one mallet blow. The problem is that the one mallet blow is likely to stop someone immediately because all of the energy is dumped at once. This point can be demonstrated with the effectiveness of birdshot vs buckshot vs slugs. As far as revolvers vs semi-autos, yes, semi-autos are lighter than revolvers, but the need to carry a full spare mag almost negates the weight advantage. And as outlined above, the advantage of the faster semi-auto reload compared to a revolver is tactically hardly necessary except to clear a malfunction.
I read all this.
You’ve thought more about it than most people, which is why so many fantasize that they’ll be getting into some crazy gun battle over their wallet and cell phone. Everyone apparently needs 33 rounds of 9mm lol.
Good points.
Is this the short version? (Good knowledge and comments, though.)
Your sense of humor is from the dry side of the mountains ! Keep’em coming ! Thanks !
Hey Paul, I saw on mythbusters when they were shooting a gun in water, that the FASTER bullet was moving, the less it penetrated. It seemed that handguns actually travelled further than the rifles. It would be awesome to see you test that and see what you find, thanks for the vids!!
@@douganderson7002 please explain. Preferably with the math. If not ,then explain with principles. It is not apparent to me. If someone asks a question you should respectfully stfu if you don't really know.
@@mark500mo Higher velocity = exponentially higher coefficient of drag. You experience less overall drag when moving slower, even when you account for the increased time period of exposure to drag.
This is why there's been a trend over the last few decades for container ships to move slower - for relatively small drops in speed, they can save enormous amounts of fuel, because they just get a lot less drag from water. This is also why pistol barrels can remain functional for 50 000 - 100 000 rounds, while heavy rifle barrels, for most calibres, don't function properly past 5000. The rifle barrels experience much higher drag coefficients that wears the rifling away much faster.
Finally, next time you're at pool, run your hand slowly through the water. It's pretty damn easy. Then move your hand through as fast as you can. The increase in resistance is much higher than the increase in speed, even if you don't really have a way of measuring it.
This principal is also at the core of the differences between fast, light projectiles, and heavy, slow projectiles. The reason that heavy projectiles are better at conserving their energy over distance is simply that they experience less drag than projectiles of the same energy, lower weight, and higher speed.
If you're trying to shoot far through water, the best option might be a 158 grain bullet from a .38 special load. I'm not aware of any other handgun loads that have a higher weight/speed ratio.
@@gabrielfraser2109 my man, thanks for taking the time to provide the math principles *and* multiple examples
Proof people with argue about literally anything.
“Do I even need to elaborate on that?”😂
Seriously, who continues to send Paul a bunch of "what if" nonsense?
Trolz
Yeah, but what if he runs out of ideas for content?
@@mattrickard3716 and what if he can't be annoyed in at least 1/2 of the videos?
Thatoneguy overthere I guess it can be annoying when someone asks goofy questions but I’d also think that “what if” questions and scenarios are good to factor in.
@@mattwalters6834 to a certain extent yes however this is an example of unrealistic reaching. The amount of crap needed to line up for this specific event to occur is silly.
I'd like to see this contest again, no mags, but this time between a Dirty Harry .45 magnum and a 1876 gatling gun.
David Burroughs Harry had a Smith and Wesson Model 29 in .44 magnum. It came to market in 1950. The M1865 Gatling was .50 caliber usually but used various calibers depending on the buyer.
Uuuui, 45 mag?? My wife used that in our divorce. You sleeping with her????
@Hater Oftheleft "Loading 45-70 into the Gatlin gun was considered a slow process, due to the length of the cartridge, and the amount of ammo needed on the belt. The .44 magnum was told to be able to "blow a mans head clean off". This leaves the potential of no available head to continue to load the Gatlin gun belt"....
Uhhh, I believe the Gatling originally used a proprietary cartridge, not .45-70.
@Hater Oftheleft Custer didn't took his Gatling guns with him, because they slow down his unit.
The area the 7th Cavalry crossed was rough terrain, no roads, many hills and canyons.
Not the terrain you want to cross with a horse drawn carriage and a Gatling gun behind it😉.
Never here this early...
"I did not have sex with that magazine."
"Who would have a revolver and never buy a speed loader for it"
*raises hand in shame*
Granted, I don't carry it.
ShayFeral I’m guilty but I do carry my 6 round .38 quite often
In a real life shootout how many people could really reload a revolver and keep shooting? Paul can do it faster than I ever could and it takes him awhile even when he’s not busy ducking. If I’m that nervous I’m bringing a semi auto that I know works. Best part of the vid was the end where he shot off maybe 15 in ten seconds.
I never bought a speed loader for one of my revolvers, granted that's because this revolver is a cap and ball black powder revolver.
@@JustinLaFleur1990 excuses, excuses.
@@mattrickard3716 lol can't buy a speed loader for a cap and ball revolver!
Yeah but what if I need to reload my revolver but I reach into my pocket and find a spare magazine? Or what if I need a spare magazine but I only have a speedloader? Or what if I forget my gun at home and all I can do is chuck my spare magazine/speadloader at my attacker? Or what if I line up for a shot and forget to pull the trigger? Or what if..
This lol
Pickle Avenger , you are the king of the ,”what if brigade”. Lol, lol.
Carry a pocket knife. Preferably a lock back. And wear depends.
Lol
No problem when your revolver is a Taurus Judge, and your magazine is loaded with .45 ACP or otherwise.
BIG problem, you have a Glock 19 and a sppedloader with .38 Special /.357 Magnum!
The main lesson I can see here for the “what-if-brigade” is: ”Don’t Be Lazy!” Invest in your gear, train with it, take care of it; and it will take care of you! Everyone’s situation is unique and no advice can cover all the bases.
Star Trek Theory it’s almost like not going stupid place with stupid people and doing stupid things will keep you out of trouble.
@@jddrafts Until stupid people come into your life.
Shane Smith I know this is two months old but something inside of me screamed. “Until you LET stupid people into your life.” Don’t let a stupid person’s bullshit become your bullshit. Any stupid “things” that may be done will probably become apparent when you learn where and vice versa. Speaking from experience. Trust your gut, it will probably never steer you wrong, especially if you feel something is off or get that hair raising feeling. That’s your gut saying (forgive me Star Trek Theory for this reference) “GET OOOUT! GET OUT OF THEEERE!”
@@jddrafts will someone please tell all the "thugs" out there this simple knowledge? Lol
I anxiously await the day when Paul puts out a really long video of boring anecdotes. I would sit here and enjoy every boring minute of it and still be entertained. Paul's videos are pretty much the only videos on RUclips that I won't fast forward because I'm afraid I might miss some fascinating or interesting tidbit of information that I might need to know.
Living in a magazine capacity limit state always have a spare magazine.
I would say if you’re living in a state with a magazine capacity limit, move to a better state...
Stop moving to other states, START FIGHTING for your rights so you don't overcrowd my gun friendly state that doesn't become overpopulated. GET INVOLVED, VOTE!
Lol I live in a country which limit handgun ownership to 22/25/32 revolvers, which most of them no longer in production.
Or a spare gun
@@JustinLaFleur1990 Officer: How many rounds are in your gun? Me: 20 Officer: This state has a 10 round magazine limit. Me: There's 10 rounds in both of my guns. LOL
If I keep watching your videos, I'm going to end up with 6-pack abs laughing at your perfect dead pan humour.
Lol I effin love this channel. Anyone know which episode is the one where he does the super dramatic draw in the plaid suit jacket? I need more of this mans humor in my life
It is an episode on 158 grain 38 special ammo in snubbies I believe. It is funny as Shit! Lmao.
I politely decline to reveal the video you request. I could not sleep at night if I deprived you of the Knowledge, Wisdom, and experience of watching enough PH to find your prize. May your search be long and fruitful.
Kevin Martindale, you are as evil as you are brilliant. “Mwah hah hah...!” 😈
The 1970s detective jacket in question was actually acquired when Paul hunted down a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle and skinned it for the upholstery
@@kevinmartindale7044 I was going to ask in a separate video about the watermelon shot in the newer intro. Decided against it and just watched enough until I found it.
you forgot the part where you can technically with some, leave a round in the auto loader while loading and if a threat manifests just pull the auto loader out and fire then put the magazine in.
Not so fast - _what if_ it has a magazine disconnect safety?
What if I keep a bayonet on my auto loader? This will expand my options way more. So if you dont do the same, you'll never be *truely* prepared for the fight
@@michaelsorenson3887 What if you don't use the stiletto grips I just invented? They give you *two* blades on demand. If you're still using a bayonet on your pistol, you're only half as prepared!
@@Ni999 today I'm here to talk about the buzz saw I just added to the front on my triple stack backpack fed 1911 that I now edc.
It's got elephant tusq grips, for added brutality, and a han solo holographic sight for *faster than the speed of light* target acquisition.
Will this be enough to keep me in the fight?
You be the judge
@@michaelsorenson3887 Yeah, that'll work just fine for a lot of encounters. If you don't really have to go somewhere besides yoga class and only want to throw just bullets then you don't really need slide-mounted shurikens. What if your assailant is being shadowed by ninjas that you can't see until you drop him? Seriously, these tactical upgrades did not invent themselves, _they exist for a reason._
Bonus points for the elephant tusks. Genius really. I have them available with poison dart tips now, let me know if I can help you with that upgrade.
"What if we want to see you review the 327 federal magnum round?" Bruh donate to his patreon so he can buy one.
1 clear advantage revolvers have is they're way cooler
While I don't think anyones going to care with what type of gun they are shot with... For some reason looking down the barrel of a 6 in magnum feels more intimidating then a Glock 19. Either way your dead but just feels different
Nahhhhhhhh, not cooler. Any mid to top rated auto is immensely cooler than ANY revolver. It's like comparing an antique typewriter to a computer keyboard.
@@aKjohn8798 It has to be a revolver or a Colt.
@@waynemccuen8213 ya but there's hope the auto loaders doesn't go off. Atleast that old typewriter doesn't need power to work. New computer is great, when the power works 🤣
@@aKjohn8798 LOL, check out Pauls expressions at :25-26 and :33......there's 1 of my responses to you my friend! The other is at 17:54.................Hagr8d.
4th reason not to carry speed loaders is printing. In the summer when I carry a snubnose revolver, I carry speed strips instead of speed loaders, because I don't want the speed loaders to print and give away that I'm carrying.
Remember most people do not even know what a speed loader is. As long as it doesn't print clearly in the shape of a gun, people will assume it is your phone, wallet, etc. (If they notice at all.) When I carried a revolver I carried speed strips just because they were far less bulky. Also it is highly unlikely most people will need to (or if you need to, get to) reload the revolver in any realistic self-defense scenario anyway.
I understand the caution but I can tell u as someone who has pockets filled with stuff all the time I doubt anyone has ever assumed I had a spped loader in there
Yeah that should not be a concern of yours. If you saw all the crap I carry in my pockets you would shit. Like seven people on earth could see a speed loader in your pocket and know what it was. I think an auto magazine is more identifiable, and I keep one in my back pocket all the time. Never had anyone know what it was. In fact, in my old job, one of the girls I worked with asked what it was. It became a year long guessing game with the women at work. They kept trying. They never guessed. It drove them crazy that I had something in my pocket every day that I wouldn’t tell them about. They would give up for a month or two then start up again.
@@ExVeritateLibertas agreed, I have concealed guns many years without most knowing, on the other hand I've also carried a pocket knife that sticks out that got me a phone call to the police because some dumbass thought it was a gun. If concealed 96% will never know, and thoes that do won't care. May be different if you wear skinny jeans or spandex😂😅
@@stefanmolnapor910 anyone who wears skinny jeans shouldn't be allowed to own a gun
"Bill's Crime." Heh heh.
I always love watching Paul..."what ifs" "yeah-buts" and all!!!
I'm the 75th like on the video and there are currently no dislikes, I guess no bloomberg flunkies have seen it yet.
16 minutes in and we have 2 dislikes. They're here..
Dear god, imagine If Paul ever does a Raid Shadow Legends ad-read
I really wish people would express a reason for giving a thumbs down 👎 for these videos. I always see a few, but never see any negative comments. It really makes me wonder if these are only people with an agenda (political).