hey everyone; Thanks for Sharing your NG anecdotes. I know that many of these events are embarrassing and many were damned scary when they happened. All of them can be helpful to prevent others from making perhaps very costly mistakes. So again, thank you.
One time after clearing a jam in a 22 match pistol (Pardini, chamber a bit hard to see and does not nessesarily lock on an empty mag) that I «assumed» was on its 5th and last round when it jammed I removed the mag, loaded it up again and behold when I racked the slide a live round popped out.
Paul Harrell Hey Paul, have you made any videos about conceal carrying a firearm while a round is chambered? I know people are gonna rag on me for not having one chambered, but it’s still a big contention point personally.
@@jonkR96 He has - a while back so I can't find the video (watch ALL of them bro) - his question was "why WOULDN'T you carry with one in the chamber?", he said he always would but if you didn't like it for whatever reason including the fear factor then that's the right choice for you.
Many years ago when I got my first 1911, I had a negligent discharge at the range. The extractor bar was too straight and causing jams, so I pulled back the slide to allow the spent casing to fall out and then I removed the magazine without realizing there was a cartridge that had been chambered. I was very new and trying to do everything slowly and keeping the muzzle pointed downrange when I reflexively pulled the trigger. I did not know why the gun was jamming at that time and I was mentally (and apparently physically) going over the steps I had taken in an attempt to figure out if I was doing something wrong that led the jam. Needless to say, the gun bucked in my hand surprisingly and I broke out in a cold sweat over how bad things could've gone. Even when attempting to be as careful as possible, mistakes can still happen.
I shot a mother bear.... with my camera. She heard that click like it was a boom. She then let me know I was in the wrong place and that I should leave.
I don't own any firearms but one quote I always cite is "cemeteries are full of people who had right of way". Never assume that the person coming the other way is going to stop until you see them brake or you make eye contact. And if you're a pedestrian ALWAYS check for incoming traffic, even if you're crossing at a green light, even if you're halfway through crossing a 3 lane roadway. Always check *each lane* individually before entering it, and if there's a truck obscuring your view stop and peer behind it before proceeding. Just because the people in the first two lanes are stopped it doesn't mean someone distracted couldn't be coming in from that third one. If you get hit by a car as a pedestrian it may not legally be your fault, but as far as I'm concerned there is almost _always_ negligence on your part, because you did not ensure the road was clear.
One time I was handed a rifle at a gun shop, and naturally I checked the chamber. The employee huffed and asked "Do you really think I would hand you a loaded weapon?" That kind of cavalier attitude to the readiness condition of a firearm is what often leads to NDs.
I've seen this exact thing happen, but in reverse, where the gun shop employee gets handed a gun, they very marginally open the chamber to check, the owner of the gun says "Do you really think i'd hand you a loaded gun?" to which the gun shop employee fully pulls the bolt back, and a round comes flying out
I’ve seen tons of youtube comments with that exact attitude too. “Bullets don’t just transport into a chamber” was one. Yes, they do actually, at least that’s how your brain will perceive it.
Tip: If someone calls you out on violating a golden rule of gun safety (i.e. having your finger on the trigger), please don't get upset or angry. That pride will get someone killed one day.
I only recently became a gun owner but several years ago I went to the range with my cousin. He was going over the rules of gun safety including never pointing the barrel of the gun at someone you don't want to shoot and always assuming the gun is loaded. Then he proceeds to point his f-ing gun right at me as he inspects it before going to the range. I said, "Hey man remember, don't point that thing at me." He snorted, "It's not loaded don't be such a baby." And so I lost all confidence in him.
It's like saying lighting will strike you one day. Finger should be off the trigger, but finger on the trigger in proper hands will never shoot the trigger itself. For extra safety every gun owner should have finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, but that myth is obnoxious
Underrated comment. The reaction to calling out poor muzzle or trigger discipline is something to keep in mind. My mom, my grandma, and my ex all demonstrated poor regard for gun safety that, upon me or someone else getting gassed up over having a gun pointed at them, instead reacted in ways which exacerbated the issue. My mom and my ex both started waving the gun around (in the same way), while my grandma might've been too old to really know or care what she was doing, responding to other peoples' comments by making the issue worse. Got to be careful of the environment and the response to dealing with poor discipline. I find a third party helps a great deal, especially with the egos involved in "dudes watching dudes."
"Although the types of weapons encountered in the field vary wildly, one stands out as overwhelmingly common. This is my RPG-7D3 paratrooper model rocket-propelled grenade launcher..."
I thought the same thing. But, trust that the learner has a safe fear of what could happen is crucial this type of training. That doesn't pan out in all cases. Those 4 hour intro classes - not sure why they are required. Should be a good 16 hours of training, have to meet 4 times so info is presented and absorbed several times over time, and tested. Very similar to learning to fly - much trust in letting the noob go solo for the first time. You have to trust the person wants to avoid death sufficiently to perform to minimum standards, at least.
@Miraj Just my guess but size might play a part in it. You can hold a gun in your hand and you have that little trigger so you assume you have much more control over it VS operating a big heavy car whose two pedals and steering wheel you have to pray to (exaggerating lol) to ensure that you don’t hit another car or a living thing It’s much larger, so you assume it’s much more complicated and that there’s many more factors out of your control than something smaller that is trivialized as “Just point and shoot”
Ye ik my 8 hr cwp class litteraly was laughable I already knew all the things they said but I guess it is good to have new people learn but it's just nowhere near enough training some of the people didn't even have guns and would ask just dumb questions I know they say there are no dumb questions but they are lol. One of the people didn't have a gun then went up there and bought a .22 rifle and rented a gun because they didn't have one then someone asked should they keep there gun in a safe in the top of the closet and the ammo in there nightstand drawer like wtf
We can all say that but in person classes is more serious. Here on the video you get distracted easily n miss very important words as if u were in person u focus ur physical appearance N are more in attention
In Russia we have a saying, "Once a year, even a broom fires a shot." Don't ever point a firearm in a direction you aren't willing to shoot. You may think the chamber is empty, you might have even checked, but once a year, even a broom fires a shot.
@@CausingChaos. i swear that for pool/billiards. But i'm not russian, but i swear i've heard people say that about broomsticks referring to using them as pool cues.
When it comes to ND, the best anecdote I've ever heard is: The loudest sound in the world is getting a bang when you expect a click, or getting a click when you expect a bang.
@@elmateo77 2 completely different types of firearms mate. I don't own 10 da/sa guns i own guns of nearly every type. One wasn't really even negligent as much a failure in thumb strength decocking a revolver,in use, if you count that. I've only had one real stupid one, finger not being where its supposed to, cw 380 and ive never really considered striker fired pistols to be particularly safe compared to da/sa with safeties and slide releases. I don't have children, I live alone, Of course both times they were pointed in a safe direction. Cops gave me no shit. Why should i take it from someone other than the guy i came here to get it from, paul harrell, not you. Shits dealt with guy. The fact im hear listening about it should give me some kinda check against that. Everyone here thats said something about having a negligent discharge has no real excuse at the end of the day, paul asked for stories about it anyway. First time I already knew it was loaded and i was decocking downrange on a live round somewhere in the first 25 shots i ever took with it. 2nd one was because I had never had a striker fired pistol especially one so small and i had my finger in the trigger guard while chambering a round and i gave it a bit of a squeeze while i did that just from sorta manhandling the little pipsqueak, while taking it out intentionally chambering it to put it back in my watch pocket. So both times i knew there is or is going to be a round there, and of course i checked it properly before i even initiated that process. Now you have specifics. Chew away at me. For i like many others here are obviously vile ne'erdowells who earned righteous indignation from YOU specifically. Go get around to everybody else before they stop caring.
Probably had to run a couple miles while reciting the basic gun safety rules, with an empty mag in one hand, and a open pistol with a cable-lock through it in the other. "This gun is loaded!"
About 15 years ago, I failed to remove the magazine and empty the chamber in the right order. Left a loaded rifle on the table while I went to get my cleaning supplies. My brother picked the rifle up and checked to ensure it was unloaded as proper gun safety measures dictate. He found it had been loaded the entire time. Thinking about what could have happened still gives me a feeling of absolute dread.
I made this mistake before taking my pistol apart to clean it and shot a 9mm hollow point through my hand. I obliterated the bone in my hand under my pinky and I go in for reconstructive surgery tomorrow.
This is why there are so many rules: you learn and apply all of them, and if one day you don't apply one of them (and you will, because humans make mistakes), the other rules should protect you until you realise your mistake
You may be joking, but this is actually mostly-correct. When people ask "How does anyone dislike this video?", they are often failing to account for those who accidentally click dislike. And it's more than most people think. I've done it myself only to come back to the video later on asking myself "Why is the dislike button highlighted blue?".
An ugly one: When I was in the Norwegian Army in the early 70s, a guy in the neighboring company for whatever reason forgot a live round in the chamber when taking the magazine out after a day on the range. He didn't find out until the cleaning session later that day. Then the round went off and his comrade was fatally hit in the abdomen. A very tragic and very effective lesson. 45 years later I still remember this incident like yesterday...
Lost a patient while working as EMT, who had attempted to clean their handgun while a round was in the chamber. Discharged into their own abdomen. The handgun had been a gift from a family member, as I understood it. It was the only gunshot wound I encountered in my career.
This happened at Ft Carson in 2006 - took a 50 cal off the pintal, didn't clear it, and it was being loaded into a humvee, went off, killed the person loading it, taking off the leg of the person behind him, and going into the engine of the humvee behind him.
Rule Number 1: "The devil load the weapon, and the idiot discharge the weapon" Rule Number 2: "The idiot load the weapon and the same idiot discharge, the devil is inocent".
Clearing a colleague's M-16 for him: Dropped the magazine, pulled the bolt to the rear, looked in the (empty) chamber, released the bolt, pulled the trigger, and BANG! The ejector spring was broken and the (fortunately) blank was still grasped to the bolt face by the extractor. Check the receiver, not just the chamber.
Had something like this happen back in basic, went through a couple of days without firing a blank. Cleared the rifle every time while returning to the bivouac area and then put the same ejected blank on top of the magazine every time, happened quite often as the water buffalo and porta potty are outside of the bivouac area. After a few days of this the blank just didn't eject, it was quite a close one it's dark at night but I noticed nothing came out and pull the charging handle a couple more times before it ejected. My theory was that the casing got damaged from being ejected so many times.
In a gun shop. The extractor was chipped. Did not extract and the boss looked in the magazine then closed it and fired it. I saw the round in the chamber, but he closed and pulled the trigger quick.
Yep... over the past 40 years, I think I've seen every one of these at least once. And, must ashamedly admit to having had one of them myself. I was about 17... picked up a shotgun in our basement, threw it to my shoulder, drew a bead on the cupboard door at the end of our basement laundry room, and proceeded to blow that damn door right off it's hinges. Eeey-yeah... nice. Never even THOUGHT to check to see if it was loaded. Guns in our home were ALWAYS unloaded. Except, of course, for that one, that day. THOU SHALT NEVER ASSUME...
I had my only ND with a 12g, when I was a lad as well. Showing off my new shotgun to a buddy, who racked it a few times, while I was focusing on my computer. He handed it back, and I assumed it would be in the same condition in which I handed it to him. Shells in the tube, none in the chamber. But he never pulled the trigger to drop the hammer. So I held it, barrel pointed upward, and pulled the trigger, to drop the hammer, and slammed a hole through my ceiling and roof, with 3-inch mag, 000-buck. I'm not ashamed to admit it. It was completely my fault for not checking the chamber, and am glad I at least had the sense to purposely point it in a safe derection. But I feel having a ND really and truly solidifies the fundamentals of weapon safety into someone. Same with an AD.
@@oddvoid My two younger brothers had similar experience. While in their teens, my youngest bro pointed the shotgun AT my other brother in the bedroom thinking in was unloaded. My other brother yelled at him. My youngest brother says he really really felt like pulling the trigger to prove it was not loaded, but he pulled it down and checked. I'm sure everyone had guessed, it was loaded with buckshot. He says it still gives him sweats thinking how close he come to killing his brother.
My brother had an ND, I had handed him a 20g double barrel I though he knew was loaded, a nice looking gun about 3x my age, and he immediately, without checking, yelled "safety check!" and now our ceiling is full of birdshot.
I found this guy through his “I’m dead” title. I then found myself watching garand thumb’s interview of him, watching his eyes wander in thought between interactions. Now somehow I am here? I have no firearms, nor intent on owning firearms. I have some personal problems with myself, you see, so it would be unwise given that when I get sad, I tend to get brave. But that being said, I hope to stumble across this man’s ideas as time goes on. I don’t know him, or anything about him really- but I can tell he had an earnest heart. I’m not part of this community in any formal or informal capacity, but I am proud to see so many people across this platform show him the respect and dignity that he earned. The firearms community are the butt end of a lot of jokes, but they can’t make jokes about the discipline so many of you foster into each other. Stay safe everyone, do what you can to keep this guys spirit alive, I think he did a lot of good for the community at large.
Accidental discharge: My wife's uncle goes to unload his Remington 700 (7mm Rem Mag) after hunting elk. He rotates the bolt, rifle fires and kills a propane tank in the back of his truck as it passes through it, the bed of the truck, and through the gas tank. He had to walk back to town. He sent the rifle in to Remington, they repaired it, and he gave it to me because he no longer trusted it - even though it had been repaired. Negligent discharge: My father-in-law, a retired police officer, after showing me his new XD45, racks the slide to reload the pistol. His arthritic hand slips off the slide, it slams forward, his finger was on the trigger and he killed his Sleep Number bed and the bullet lodged under the carpet on the floor. Oh yeah, a .45 ACP is hella loud in the house.
Yep...well known issue with the 700's. Remington knew about this and could have fixed them all with a .25cent part but figured settling lawsuits was less expensive. As with Glock, they just raise the price of their new firearms a couple dollars to cover the expense of the payouts.
Geez if I didn't trust a weapon any longer, the LAST person I'd give it to is a family member! But then, if I was the nephew, I'd be all, "Hey, free gun!! Cool!!" - :)
@@trash9378 1. The post says " after showing me his new XD45, racks the slide to reload ..." He was done showing it and was reloading it so it would be useful. 2. Actually old people with physical issues need guns more than young healthy guys. The gun didn't go off because the old guy was arthritic. It went off because he had his finger in the trigger guard when he did not intend to fire.
Most people are shot with an unloaded gun. After a shooting the witnesses state ..."I thought the gun was unloaded." The fact is all guns are loaded unless I personally check the gun.
Same here. I was taught how to shoot and handle guns safely when I was about five years old by my grandfather. I credit him for the importance I place on gun safety.
My grandpa didn't even let me handle his guns until I was 10. He drilled the 4 rules by making me recite them whenever the subject came up. He always said he would take me to the range when I was in high school. He died when I was 12. I miss him.
With 20+ years of military experience, this was an excellent reminder. I love that Paul can continue to teach the next generation even after moving on.
I was hunting in some rough country and due to some loose rocks & over-estimation of my sure-footedness, I ended up going ass-over-tea-kettle through some brush. The rifle was on Safe and finger off the trigger, I held onto it, and other than some scratches on myself and a bruised ego... All seemed well after inspection and some self deprication. Later on, I spotted some deer in the valley below. I set up, looked trough the glass and moved the selector to Fire... *BANG* ...it went off with my finger nowhere near the trigger. The deer took off and I had to take inventory to ensure I didn't crap myself... I hadn't. I left it on a now expended bass casing and went back to camp. After unloading it and tearing it down, I found debris in the trigger housing. I cleaned it out, reassembled it and did a function test... After making sure it was still unloaded about a dozen times... And it all checked out fine and functional. So yeah, it was an accidental discharge by Paul's definition, but it still freaked the hell out of me and I still felt that I had failed to prevent it... For some time, the "What If" & "If Only" fairies had free rent in my head. All my years hunting, my time in the Army, and the classes I'd taken, didn't mean shit when that bullet took off addressed with "to whom it may concern" stamped on it. I still have that Model 70 in the Gun Safe as a reminder that _"Murphy is an Optimist"._
Similar here. MP In the Guard from 05-12, Iraq 09-10, stayed active for an additional year 10-11. Then did security contracting and weapons instruction all over Afghanistan from 12-17. Had an ND in my back yard while teaching my friends how to shoot a 1911. Had it down range while demonstrating the grip safety on the back. The 1 fucking time I did not visually and physically inspect the chamber is the one time a live round was loaded. Scared everyone speechless and in a strong range voice I asked if everyone learned something from my negligence. Been working, running, and teaching guns for years and the one time I was not paranoid, is when I failed. Luckily the gun was down range and everyone was behind me. There is a gaping hole in our little range table from where a high quality .45 cannon balled it's way through. I now use that gaping hole in the table to start each new instruction as an example of what WILL happen the second you lose respect for your tools.
@@krwiles And that's why keeping the thing pointed away from anything that you don't want a gaping hole in goes a long way. Glad no one got fucked up from that.
I got a new kel tec sub 2000 4 months ago. I had been working 80 hrs a week. I just got in late from being out of town and called the ffl and picked it up. I get home and load the mag in my room and leave the mag in my room. I go to the livingroom to fondle my new toy. I got tired of messing with the gun, so I go to my room, insert the magazine and put the gun away. About an hr later I go and get it again with the magazine in the gun. I drop the magazine and check the chamber and start messing with it again. I get tired of messing with it again and reinsert the magazine and set it beside me. 20 or 30 minutes later "about 11pm" I pick it up, charge it and pull the trigger. Sent a 9mm into the ceiling. I was tired and should not have been messing with the gun and broke many rules in the process.
I learned my first bit of gun safety from my uncle. He had 2 primary rules 1:The gun is always loaded until proven otherwise, 2: The gun is always loaded even when proven otherwise
Every single time I pick up my guns I check them. Every single time and treat them as if they were loaded even though I may have checked them two or three times. Every single time.
the more I watch these videos the more I want to buy a surplus of flags to stick in every chamber of every gun I'm not actively using just to quintuple check that the gun is doubly clear
@@theaninova Highly plausible, but in fact Russia has had a lasting history of relationship with Germany since the 18th century, so it might have been the other way around. Or actually forth from Germany in the 18th and then back from Russia after WW2
Whenever I unload a firearm , I look into the chamber and say out loud “ visually unloaded “ then put my finger in the chamber after that and say “ physically unloaded “ Those two steps and verbal sequences have helped me never have an ND
M M Great idea! I think I’ll start doing exactly that myself. Just like checklists in aviation, standard operating procedures in e.g. armed forces or police, are used to minimise the chances of an “avoidable accidental discharge” AKA a negligent discharge. Creating and following our own “personal SOPs” is an extremely simple method of avoiding NDs caused by complacent routine or ‘trusting’ the gun.
True Story: I was in basic training at the firing range. We were told if our weapon jammed we should bump the forward assist three times and if that didn't work then we should raise our hand and a drill sergeant would come and clear the weapon. I had a jam, bumped the forward assist and still nothing. I raised my hand and the drill sergeant came and cleared my weapon. There was something peculiar about how he cleared it that made me uncomfortable and he could see it in my eyes. This upset him because he basically felt my discomfort was conveying a message that I didn't trust his experience in clearing a weapon. For a brief moment I could see that he wanted to point the weapon at me and pull the trigger to show that it was clear, but luckily he went against his instinct, pointed the weapon down range and pulled the trigger... it fired. After going over it in my head, I think what must have happened is that he pulled back the charging handle which cleared the round in the chamber and then dropped the magazine. As most know, he should have dropped the magazine first, and then pulled back the charging handle.
Yes i buy this story. You will agree theres a lot if fake ones on here. For what its worth ill add mine, which our instructors told us had happened at a previous course. (Ctc lympstone. Uk. Royal marines) after a busy day, someone was cleaning his fn rifle in the barracks, had an accidental discharge, the round went through several walls and killed a guy sitting on the toilet. Now, i never verified this story and we all just accepted it stony faced but they might have told us that to scare us a bit. They were very concerned about rifle drill anyway and would freak out if you made an arse of it.
This is the only gun channel I'm subscribed too. I agreed with him 99.999 percent of the time, the other .001 I kept to myself because at some point I will watch an old video and it will be 100% of the time. I didn't personally know him , but anyone can tell he was a good man. RIP 😢
My teaching was simple: the only time the chamber is empty is when you are looking at the empty chamber. As soon as you can't see the chamber, the gun is loaded.
@@koobertohumperdink8702 It's a good way to be taught, particularly for magazine-fed guns. There are lots of different factors that a fresh beginner won't always be keeping in mind on top of everything else they're trying to learn day one. Best to teach them to always treat a gun as loaded. Then, once they're comfortable with their technical knowledge and handling experience, they can make that determination for themselves that the gun could only possibly be unloaded.
@@Hexaven Wrong. I check the chamber every time before I handle a firearm. but if I remove the ammunition and am dry firing I don't need to check the chamber every 5 minutes. I know when the gun is and is not loaded. first time I pick up a weapon I assume it is loaded until I check it. but once I've checked it and I know it's unloaded I'm not going to pretend like it is still loaded. that is stupid.
Had 1 negligent discharge. It happened when I was 13, another double entendre to add. I was at a shotgun shooting range with my stepfather's stepfather, and I was taken to practice shoot. At one point of shooting, I always kept the barrel in safe direction, I failed to engage the safety. Before saying pull I was asked "is your safety enaged?" Rather than looking I just pulled the trigger pointing the gun down range, and said something like " oh shit, nope". I was immediately told to "empty the gun and put the safety on, and that I'm done for the day". So embarrassed, and disappointed with myself I will never forget it.
I just had my first one yesterday. I was on an unsupervised range in the middle of nowhere, I was testing handloads in my BFR .500 Magnum. It single action, everytime I cock it I have to move my supporting hand to reach the hammer and then carefully regrip my hands. Well, I'm not 100% sure what I did, because I had gloves on, but somehow I must of touched the trigger and shot the dirt about a yard from my feet. The gun went flying and landed about 10 feet away. I feel so terrible, I'm not sure I've ever felt this bad about anything in my life.
Just in 2021 I was hunting with my dad. Lever action 44. With a scope. When we got out of the truck some deer ran off so we were going to stalk them. I tried to lower the hammer after chambering a round. Had gloves on, Thumb got stuck between the hammer and the scope and I tried to fit my other thumb between the hammer and the gun. Tried to pull my other thumb off the hammer but the gun went off and hit a tree about 3 yards away. I was so sad and embarrassed I didn't hunt the rest of the season.
@@Chris-ef3vz Gun safety is so good. Had it pointed in a safe direction, so even though we only messed up one rule, nothing was damaged except our egos. And gun safety is so good that we feel immense shame...
My dog set off my savage 24 leaning up againlst a tree. He managed to cock the hammer with the leash and he stepped on the trigger a millisecond later. An entire hunting party had to help each other check for holes in one another. That was in 2003. I never in a million years would think an uncocked gun sitting against a tree in the middle of the woods surrounded by experienced hunters could be dangerous. I was wrong and now any gun that leaves my physical possession does so sans ammunition.
I did my firearms training courtesy of Her Maj 33 years ago and I still remember the loading and unloading drills like it was yesterday. Watching this was a like a lovely stroll down Memory Lane except it didn't have the CSM shouting at you. Remember a day when a group of us was waiting to take out places on the range whilst the group ahead were firing the Sterling SMG and one worthy had a stoppage then, with the weapon at hip height, turned round and flashed the whole group with the muzzle whilst fiddling with the cocking handle. The RSM kicked them up the arse so hard they are probably rounding Saturn about now.... thanks for the video Paul.
Once I came in from the field after hunting with a loaded 30-30. I usually would never bring a loaded weapon into the house, but on this day it was single digits and I was freezing. I couldn't feel my fingers, and I went to rack the rounds out of the chamber and magazine. Since my fingers were numb and I couldn't feel them, I also didn't have good spacial recognition of where they were in regard to the trigger. When I went to place my hand in the rear portion of the lever, I inadvertently pushed my first two fingers into the trigger guard at discharged the Firearm into the ceiling of my laundry room. I decided not to patch the hole in my ceiling so that it would serve as a reminder to me and as an object lesson to my children that ALL of the rules of gun safety need to be followed ALL of the time.
@@Kenniii3 tbh I wouldn't blame you for that especially considering you had very little feeling to your fingers and you were just trying to warm up, at least you learned to stay on guard even when your freezing your ass off like that lol
Most of the carpenters I've known who have lost fingers in their saws, didn't have any accidents until they were extremely experienced. With guns, saws, or other dangerous things, it's not good to feel excessively comfortable.
It's amazing how many times you will hear someone say "I thought it was empty". What also amazes me is how many people consider a firearm empty just because the chamber is empty, but then come to find out they have a loaded magazine inserted in the firearm. A range I use to go to in Florida had a ND at the sales counter when a customer brought in his handgun for a trade in. The employee behind the counter asked the man if the gun was empty which the customer replied yes, the employee then racked the slide and pulled the trigger and shot the soda machine across the lobby. Nobody was physically hurt, but I believe the customer was banned from the range, and the employee was fired.
Drop the mag, LOCK THE ACTION OPEN while removing the round, VISUALLY INSPECT THE CHAMBER AND MAG WELL, unlock the action and cycle 3 times. The slide lock is GOLD. Never understood why people don't use it. Awesome videos, Paul!
Hi Paul, British guy here, late to the party with a Negligent Discharge story from my school days (30+ years ago): We had an indoor smallbore rifle range at our school, run under the auspices of the Ministry of Defence for our school cadet force. One of the regulations was that only single-shot bolt-action .22 calibre target rifles could be used on it. It was a narrow building, 6 firing points, the rifle lockers down one side wall in front of the firing point (protected by sandbags from any stray bullets). The master in charge would sit on a canvas backed chair behind the firing point, with the door behind him. The headmaster owned a pump action .22 magazine rifle and had allowed some of the shooters to use it one day, in defiance of the aforementioned restriction. At the end of the detail, the two shooters were clearing up when someone came to the door, so the master got up from his chair and went outside to talk to him. One boy was downrange putting rifles in the lockers, the other boy was on the firing point and picked up the pump action to check it was clear. As there was a boy downrange he turned and pointed it at the master's chair to dry fire it after cycling the action twice. To his astonishment, it went off, blowing a surprisingly large hole in the chair's canvas back and an even larger one in the wooden doorpost, thankfully not penetrating all the way through. There was hell to pay. The commanding officer of the CCF, a former Army Sergeant Major who had been unaware of the pump-action rifle's use on the range, insisted on reporting it as a dangerous incident to the MoD. The school could have lost the licence for shooting and possibly even its funding for the cadet force. The headmaster nearly lost his personal firearms license.
Scariest day of my life was my first slam fire (gun discharged when the slide was released and finger was OFF the trigger). Awareness of muzzle direction (and the grace of God) prevented a catastrophe.
I was lucky. My slam fire was after I had cleaned a new to me old rifle. It was unloaded when I cycled it but what a shock when it fired. Took it to a gunsmith and he couldn't duplicate the problem. I've had the rifle for over 50 years now with never a repeat but it really enforced the keep the muzzle in a safe direction rule.
A browning hi power overseas in Afghanistan did that . The gun plumbers told the SGT relax your good. But the ranks above never believed it and road him hard after that. He is and always was a good man .
Had a buddy when I was overseas who was cleaning his M4 when they called that chow was ready. He threw everything back together and slapped a magazine in when he remembered that he had to do a functions check. So he charges the weapon, somehow flips the fire selector past semi and into burst (still don't know how he managed that one), and put 3 rounds through the roof of the tent. Never heard it so quiet around there.
@@TheAspiringLawgiver Like I said he went right past semi. First charge seated a round and first pull of the trigger let off the burst. Obviously wasn't following the proper SOP from the get go so I wouldn't be surprised about how many steps he skipped.
@@NotOneOfUs No idea. Never wanted to ask honestly lol. The less you know is sometimes better. I will say that probably the most interesting part of the story was the corrective action that followed. Dude had to stand in front of the chow tent for a month; Every breakfast, lunch and dinner he had a sign that he wore with the proper weapon clearing procedures listed. Once all the other joes filed in for chow he could go in and eat. I will say I don't know what admin actions were taken against him, but the punishment seemed pretty lenient. The highest ranking of our unit on the COP was a butter bar; everyone else was part of an SF team. It all seemed like it was handled exclusively in-house.
I once had an accidental discharge (not negligent). I was shooting an old 380 makarov pistol and went to clear it from fully loaded and chambered position. I dropped the mag and flipped the safety on with the intention of immediately afterward clearing the chamber. Instead, the safety being flipped to the safe position caused the gun to fire the round still in the chamber. Luckily gun safety was so natural at that point to me that I still had the gun pointed down range the entire time I was handling it. The craziest part of this story is after the round fired and while I was looking down at the gun, more than a little shocked and startled, I noticed the bullet that I had just accidentally fired literally roll up to my boot and stop an inch away. I still have that bullet and will remember the incident for the rest of my life, as a reminder of why gun safety is so so important.
@@iaibandfrom what I gathered in this very video, an accidental discharge is a an unwanted discharge that happens because of factors beyond gun user's negligence - such as malfunction. basically, if you do everything right and it still fires, that's accidental; if you do something wrong and that's why it fires, that's negligent
@@iaibandMalfunctions are accidental. However as long as you follow basic gun safety rules malfunctions should almost never hurt anyone. Disregarding safety rules is what makes an accidental discharge negligent. You could have avoided it but didn't.
So you flipped the safety onto safe...and *that* caused the gun to fire? Like, just making sure I understand here; I'm not familiar with the design of any Makarov
I've had 1 negligent discharge in almost 40 years of shooting, and that was due to ignorance and unfamiliarity with the weapon. It was an 1897 Winchester shotgun, and for whatever reason, being 18 years old, I thought I could unload it by holding down the trigger by cycling it. It unloaded all right....the old fashioned way. Blew a nice hole in the wood paneling in my house. That's an attention-getter.
Takes a lot to admit an ND, but that’s why you have to break multiple rules at once like Pointing it at something you’re not willing to destroy WHILE pulling the trigger.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065 Like I said, I was 18 when I did that. I definitely didn't suffer from being over-intelligent in those days, I did a lot of dumb shit, including blowing up a shotgun with homemade rounds. Eventually we get smarter....
I've had one negligent discharge, with a G3A3, on a range during a military guard qualification test. Got my finger inside the trigger guard a fraction of a second too soon while I was raising the rifle for the "warning shot" The bullet hit the dirt half way between me and the target stands instead of the designated warning shot blank square target. I was offered to redo the test later that day, but I declined as I had too shaky nerves from it and redid it successfully at a later date.
I did indeed. And it made me more conscious about how other people are reckless with guns. In fact, just a little while ago I packed up my gear and left the gun range because some people showed up that clearly didn’t know how to safely handle firearms.
I was shooting with a bunch of family members one day on my home range. When it was my turn to shoot I fired my CZ 82 until the slide locked open. I then hit the slide release and returned the gun to my holster. Later that day when I started to reload, I found a live round in the chamber. Apparently the gun locked open with one round in the magazine. When I closed the slide it chambered that round. I had been walking around with a gun that I “ knew” was empty. No harm but it did shake me up.
@@DarkFilmDirector my sks does this sometimes. The mag is engaging the slide release, and the round just kinda floats there behind the chamber. Maybe they were using after market mags?
@@ebabdbgbbbebbluesman6115 It was the Factory mag that came with the gun. It had never done this before or since. Maybe I hadn't done a good enough job cleaning it.
I've had a BB gun in my hands at 7 years old and knew the 5 rules. One thing I can be thankful for, is a dad that taught me a healthy fear and respect for firearms. Once you see what they can do later on in life, it just reinforces that respect. You are carrying around a death finger. That said, I have never had a negligent discharge in my whole life. I think the biggest thing that causes this, is simply not paying full attention to what you are doing with what's in your hands.
I bought my young ones BB guns so they could get their ND's over with them, I believe anyone who hasn't been through that shoxk could have one, and luck is a big factor if you near have. (I got a 9mm scratch on my concrete bathroom floor, typical "unload chamber" then mag. Safe as the 3 rules usually cover for the 1 your breaking, *btw* the "5th rule" is subjective (I've heard know your ammo, don't talk to anybody, ...... I'm interested in your 5th (Four are •always treat as if loaded •keep finger off trigger til ready •never point at anything not willing to shoot •know your target and what lies beyond it))
The only one I’ve had was with a BB gun I left sitting for a year or two, picked it up and shot it at my mirror, came back and hit me just below the eye. Scared and hurt me so bad it got instilled twice.
I have had one negligent discharge and that was down the range. I was standing up from shooting prone and I still had my finger on the trigger. Rightfully got an earful from dad.
@@abstractapproach634For me, the fifth one would probably be to keep your firearm in good condition. You don’t want that sucker jamming on you when you REALLY need it!
I grew up in Boy Scouts with BB guns then 22s at a very young age. I think that made a huge difference and people that didn’t have similar upbringing make me very uncomfortable to be around with guns.
Paul - retired mil & LE weapons instructor here. A narc (an ‘I KNOW GUNS DAMMIT’ country boy) with a 1911 favored mexican carry (strong side kidney). During a bust, said 1911 was presented, off safe, and not fired. Said yokel replaced 1911 in waistband with: thumb safety still off, grip safety depressed, and finger inside trigger guard. Finger stopped on belt, 1911 continued into pants, motion of trigger relative to 1911 resulted in trigger/sear/hammer interfaces releasing hammer, which struck firing pin which lit off primer WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT’S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN in those circumstances. Said dolt received bullet furrow down leg. He also initiated a lawsuit against Colt patent FA inc, which absurdity Colt promptly rewarded with an egregiously large monetary settlement. I have ever since related this tale in my academy firearms classes - name and all. He has tried to bully me into at least changing his name, but I replied that ‘we only do that to protect the innocent!’ I enjoy your videos immensely, probably because you and I are of one mind on most of your material, and because your manner of presentation and mine are very similar. Must be the GI blood.
The negligent discharge at 10:38 almost cost my life, and my fathers life in 2017. My neighbor was hanging out with us in my garage while I was working on my project car when he decided to "field" strip his Glock. He pulled the mag, and engaged the slide release to pull the slide off and when he pulled the trigger it sent a round between my legs, off the concrete floor, through the passenger side front tire, and into the seat my father was sitting in just seconds before it happened. My neighbor served in the Army for 20 years, that shit can happen to anyone if you get too comfortable around firearms. My father still has a scar on his ankle from the copper jacket exploding when hitting the concrete floor.
So no mag but still one chambered that he forgot to clear first? Do you need to let the striker dry fire on a Glock to take off the slide? Wanna make sure I understand, that's a scary one!
@@H0mertax Yes, the way most people take apart a Glock is to slightly pull back the slide (usually not far enough to easily see a round in the chamber) while simultaneously pulling down the slide lock, then to release the slide and pull the trigger.
I never understood speed drills for field-stripping. It's just asking for an ND. There isn't really any situation in which you'd have to strip a gun that fast. It's not a race-haste makes mistakes
@@H0mertax Yes, you do. However, the weapon needs to have the magazine out of it in order for it to be stripped. Many people don’t know how to properly strip the Glock. Even, Glock. My process, to avoid the AD/ND situation, because nobody is doing it correctly. With the barrel, in a SAFE DIRECTION: Drop the magazine. Clear the chamber. Engage the slide, lock it open with the slide lock. Engage the slide lock lever then unlock the slide. You will here the weapon arm. Squeeze the trigger, you’ll hear the firing pin release. The slide is now unlocked from the frame and can come off by it’s own weight, so don’t damage the crown of your barrel. It’s certainly a mans gun. Also, no safety is always hair raising.
Idc how many years he spent in the Army, that was totally a stupid thing to do. NEVER assume! That's completely part of your training. That was unacceptable. Dump the mag, pull the slide back at least twice (it doesn't matter if it literally has a round in the chamber or not), THEN field strip that weapon. And no, it's NOT EASIER said than done. Because I have a GLOCK 19 & 21, along with many other weapons. And I've never had a ND. Its free to pay attention. I don't even trust decockers tbh with you.
I know I'll probably get some hate for this, so save the hate comments for someone who gives a rip, but what you described with the 1911-platform "ND" actually happened to me 35+ years ago. I had a Parker Arms 1911-style pistol in 10mm, thought I heard someone trying to open my children's window (turned out to be the wind!) at 3AMish, rushed to investigate, and half-asleep, stumbling around, heart-rate cranking, trying to get my bearings straight, I racked the slide, and had an ND-ALL MY FAULT!!! Fortunately for us, I had the pistol pointed down and my kids were not hurt. They didn't EVEN stir with the blast and 10mm is LOUD!!! I thanked the Good Lord for small mercies and suffering fools-like ME. Lesson: If you should have to do the same, try to get your bearings straight BEFORE you go to investigate-if you have the time.
@@a.hollins8691 I think you're seriously underestimating the frequency of burglaries. Between 2008 and 2018 there were more than 20 million burglaries, compared to about 128 million households in the U.S. Over the course of 40 years, there's a fair likelihood that an attempted burglary may happen on your home. Now, some areas have more burglaries and some people get burglarized multiple times. But burglaries have also fallen almost 40% in the past ten years, likely due to improved security systems, and sadly, hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths reducing the number of potential burglars. A grown adult should be able to determine if they're responsible enough to avoid loading a firearm, chambering a round and cocking the hammer, putting the safety off, pointing the weapon at a loved one and squeezing the trigger.
My answer is a revolver at the bedside, even though I own a couple of semi-auto pistols. The manual of arms is much less complicated for a big Smith than for a pistol. And I have a free hand for my powerful Strreamlight flashlight. Thanks for sharing.
The revolver thing got me. My brain then caught up and figured it out just before you started to explain it, but I can definitely see how that would catch the inexperienced completely off guard. Thanks for this! I also treat my Ruger's "chamber indicator" as a filthy liar for empty >_> I want to pull the slide and see through the entire weapon or it isn't empty...
-- My NG story: Was probably around 8 years old when a friend showed me his dad's 1911. We were passing the gun the mag and a few loose bullets back and forth. He'd load the mag, I'd unload it, pass it back. Well I'm sure you can see where this is going, by passing the mag, gun and bullets around at different times, a round found its way into the chamber. But I did know a little about firearms safety at the time. Sure the gun was empty, before pressing the trigger, I pointed the gun down and away/behind me/us. Well of course I THOUGHT I know about safety. I discharged the firearm into a concrete floor. The bullet then bounced off the concrete wall and went through the ceiling into my friends bed mattress upstairs. I fired the gun aiming down and behind me, but the bullet hole in the ceiling was in front of me, which meant that .45 came back and passed me on the way up. Long story short, I came a few inches shy of blowing my own head off.
Rifle Shooter Channel I agree that most of time bullets don’t do super crazy stuff. But they can. I assure you. I worked as a paramedic in Stockton, CA and I was on many scenes where bullets did weird stuff. One guy was shot point blank into his mouth and the bullet became lodged near his elbow. (No joke that really happened) At the time when we arrived, we had no idea where the bullet ended up as he only had visible trauma on his mouth. It was the next day when speaking with the RN’s and docs at the hospital did we learn where the bullet was due to the x-ray. Maybe that’s different in some way from the OP’s story but I believe it.
Former friend of mine had a negligent discharge with his bolt action 22 in my garage a couple years back... manually cycled the bolt with his finger on the trigger while the magazine had rounds in it. Bullet went through a florescent light bulb, through the metal light fixture, through the foam board, through the plywood, through the tar paper, through the shingles and kept going. Set the rifle down, said "I think I want to take some time away from guns" and left it there. Never offered to fix the damages. Now go back and read the first two words of my comment. "Former friend".
I had a former friend who wanted to teach me how to rack the slide of my 1911A1 by putting the slide up against the edge of my wife's marble coffee table and shoved downwards. It took a large chip out of the edge of the table and BROKE half of the rear sight off of my 1911A1. "FORMER friend" also. Live and learn...
@@davidledesma209 not in the United States. That would make it a felony to defend yourself and has been ruled to be a violation of the second amendment.
Ill give you one, I prevented a negligent discharge a few months back. I work in a small mom&pop bass proshop type store. One day a customer walks in with an Remington 7400, wanted me to boresight it. I'm standing at the cash register, guy lays the case on counter and opens it. Gun was locked, mag was out and empty. I grab the rifle and rack the bolt once; nothing happens. I then VISUALLY INSPECT THE CHAMBER and there it was; one live round in the chamber staring at me. I tell the guy '' WTF there's a live round in there'' the guy went '' Are you serious?'' I rack the bolt again and still nothing. I let the bolt go forward and gave it a tap then cock it back, and on the floor went a nice vortex 30-06 plastic tip round. I work in a store surrounded by firearms and ammo. I know each and every gun on my rack, I still ALWAYS VISUALLY INSPECT each chamber when I take one off the rack. Its second nature to me.
Great video Mr. Harrell. I had a negligent discharge happen in my house with a single shot 20 gauge when I was 13 years old. I made many of the mistakes you illustrate, and fortunately, nobody was hurt. I regret the negligent discharge to this day and thank the good LORD nobody in my house was hurt. The one good thing to come from the event is it made me HYPER aware of gun handling of not only myself, but of anybody that I am around. I know some of my buddies have gotten aggravated at me because I chewed on them because of mistakes they made in my presence, but I'll take the grief I get from them. I just have to tell them my story, and they understand why I am so serious about it. I am almost 50 now, and to this day, every time I pick up a gun, I always think back to that event.
in the army, when coming back from patrol or guard duty, the process was: remove the mag, pull the slide back 2 times, aim at a designated safe direction and pull the trigger once. the point of the process was to triple check that the gun was empty. by pulling the slide 2 times, even if you forgot to take out the mag, you would see a round coming out of the chamber and it would remind you that the mag is still in and if by any chance you still ended up having a round in the chamber, by pointing at the direction of the firing range and pulling the trigger the gun would fire at a location where there was nobody to be hit. and of course if you managed to fire a round that way you were in for an earful the next day... to put it mildly. fortunately it never happened to anyone while i was there but i heard stories from other places. worst situation in our camp was a couple of guys who were supposed to come back from leave on saturday morning and decided to take the weekend off and came back monday... and the colonel's voice could be heard from miles as he was "explaining" to them the difference between saturday and monday before sentencing them to 20 days of double shift guard duty and toilet cleaning because, as he put it, it was too much paperwork to send them to HQ with a charge of desertion.
When you do something that could potentially get someone killed, they deal with it very thoroughly. Being shot at by the enemy is enough without having to worry about getting shot by the guy next to you.
Guilty of the "out of sequence" ND. Got home, went to unload my EDC, got out of sequence, and rather than check the chamber, I pulled the trigger. The round went into the door of my gun safe, creased the heel of my 92FS, but any splatter was absorbed by the pegboard on the door. Yes, live and learn. Thanks for all your great videos and information Paul.
Those 'rules' are overly simplified and therefore not rules. Your guns spend the vast majority of their time pointed at things you don't want to shoot and there are times you must treat your gun as if it's not loaded.
@@DonziGT230 true. But the rules of firearms work together. As Paul said negligent discharges are usually a failure to follow several of the rules. I have found that checking to make sure that a gun is unloaded every time is a good habbit even if I just saw someine check it. Because then it I just becomes second nature. Not pointing it flagging people with my firearm whether I know it's empty not not. Is just good practice. For one they might not know it unloaded. It's also less likely to be pointed in an unsafe direction if there is a problem Finally having you finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire is just good practice. If your not on the trigger and have a well maintained gun then the chance of the trigger being pulled by accident is a minute. The whole thing is makeing rules that don't change and building safe habits. It's when you become too comfortable that we are more likely to make mistakes.
Most issues relating to safety within any activity usually occur from a chain of events. This is a major idea within aviation as well and being taught to break that chain of events is incredibly important to mitigate risk. Thank you for the great video and making me realize that most hazards are caused due to a chain of bad decisions. I know this is a video specifically about negligent discharge but hearing about the idea of the "accident chain" outside of the only field I've experienced it in was eye opening to me. Have a good day!
Thank you for this video Paul. All humor aside, my beloved Father (R.I.P.) who had very carefully, lovingly and attentively taught me every little tiny detail about responsible and SAFE use of firearms from the time I was a very young boy, bought me my first .20GA for my 10th birthday (which I had earned by proving my worthiness through months of spotless hands on performance and know-how of each and every weapon he trained me to handle) suffered a negligent discharge one day by breaking the cardinal rule of never carrying a cocked and loaded revolver in his holster. It was fortunately only a .22LR, but nonetheless was a nasty, and painful lesson learned. He drew it from his holster to kill a rattlesnake that was on our property, and as he did...he misstepped. It shot through the top of his foot which was was evidently on a rock...the projectile splashed back up into his foot in the worst way. (don't believe a .22LR is a wuss weapon, folks!) my Dad spent about a month with a glass fenestrated tube through his foot after the surgery and each day the wick style gauze had to be pulled out, and a NEW one put in...TWICE a day...not very pleasant. It was also not pleasant that time when he was in the bathroom about to take a leak with the door askew, and I didn't know he was in there...I pushed the door open and it raked over the top of his foot!!! --OH YEAH he might've been crippled BUT he could still chase my ass! -I don't think I ever ran so fast ha ha ha ha! -We always shared a good laugh over that, but the truth is it could've been much much worse, or even a fatal accident. I sure loved him and I miss him very much, I've never had a single mishap to this day thanks to his training (and learning through his mistake!) and I don't plan to have any mishaps any time soon either. We never DO plan for them, but if we're taking all the safety precautions we reduce the likelihood of accidents to almost zero. That also reduces the likelihood of giving guns even MORE of a bad name to zero. So, EDUCATE your kids about negligent discharge folks!!! --BUT remember they'll learn without you doing it by example :)
I have a friend that accidentally shot his mattress -- twice --- he also shot out the bathroom mirror, told his wife he did it hanging a picture ... I told him he should not own a gun.....
I have never fired, held, or even seen a gun in real life, yet I learned so much from this video. I don't know why so many gun videos are showing up in my Suggested Vidoes, but I do appreciate learning about safety and how these accidents can happen! Stay safe!
Everybody should understand firearms. I know them inside and out, have since I was a child. They’re scary. That’s why they work! However they’re not like in the movies. Neither are bullets.
The concept of something being unsafe until proven safe is a useful one in other contexts, such as using power tools. I have never held a gun but I still always think of checking the magazine when I check that something is unplugged before adjusting it
I've got an ND from my armored truck days. Our in- house instructor asked every crew doing rtb to take out their pistols, unload, disassemble and show him the condition of the firearm. A guy called Cliff saunters up all cool, pops the slide then catches the round in one motion, drops the Mag onto the table and then pulls the trigger. BOOOM, the bullet goes into the table. The instructor then explodes "Cliff, what the f----!?" Guy behind him says, "Hey Cliff, you may wanna drop your magazine FIRST before jacking the round out and catching it." No one was hurt, everyone was laughing at him mercilessly, and Cliff about crawled into the floor drain.
My negligent discharge happened when I just got done cleaning and reloading my guns. I was using a rag to clean some of the excess oil off my single action revolver. As I walked to put the rag away my pump shotgun was sitting barrel down on the couch. Not thinking I reached down wiping some of the excess oil around the trigger guard and everything went quiet. When my ears slowly began to finally ring is when I realized what happened. Thankfully I was alone at the time and nobody got hurt. I kept the couch for about about a year with a giant hole in the seat to remind myself to never think you're above an accident no matter how knowledgeable you are about firearms. 4 big factors played into my negligent discharge. 1: I didn't have the safety engaged on my shotgun. 2: In my head I was thinking of firearms as single action 3: I was messing around the trigger of a loaded firearm. 4: Overly confident in my familiarity of firearms Paul, in all your years of using, cleaning and training with firearms. Have you ever had a negligent discharge?
I've owned firearms for over a decade. Since I've only lived in apartments, I'm super ocd about verifying empty chamber before doing anything to them. My negligence will never just affect me or my own property.
@@A407RAC Yeah, it's not fun. I wore loose fitting earplugs for about a week afterwards . My ears were so sensitive after it happened that certain sounds hurt me.
Paul knows from experience that many auto loaders have a 1 in 1000 chance of discharge by just chambering a round. That's why we always expect it to happen and do our due diligence when chambering auto loaders.
A few weeks ago, I came home from running some errands and I unloaded my carry pistol as I do when I enter my place of residence. I pulled the mag out and unchambered the round. Usually, I just let the round fall on the table and then pick it up, but when I ejected the round, it flipped up in the air and fell back into the chamber as it closed. This didn't lead to a negligent discharge because I saw it happen, but I thought I would share the anecdote as to make sure you always double check your chamber.
"One of the causes of a negligent discharge is a negligent discharge ." I've heard of similiar things happening on table saws. When emptying a firearm always repeat the procedure. It's simply a good practice.
One of the procedures my grandfather and I had when hunting is, we would clear all the weapons before getting in a vehicle or putting them away, even if we already cleared them. The redundancy was meant to catch any mistakes.
The way I was trained, you remove the mag and then cycle the action three times. You expect one round to come out, so if you ever see a second round, you know you pulled a bonehead move and didn't ACTUALLY pull the mag out.
As someone with only moderate experience with firearms, I found this video extremely helpful in identifying other areas I should be mindful of when dealing with certain firearms. For example, indexing the revolver intentionally/unintentionally in the same load. This is an excellent safety video, delivered in a very straightforward yet also mildly humorous way. It kept me engaged the entire video. I bet the troops taking your classes really enjoy your instruction. Thank you for your service, and also this safety video!
Dear Paul; I love that you rarely attempt campy or cheesy humor and that you're very succinct and fact based in your videos but you had me laughing my ass off right in the beginning of this one. Good show sir.
I've only had one negligent discharge. When I was 14 with my dad's Marlin model 60. Emptied the tube, ejected the chambered round, but i forgot the marlin you need to manipulate the charging handle an extra time since it has one "in queue" that doesn't come out with the rest of the tubed rounds. Luckily it was pointed downrange, I dropped the hammer to pack up and it went off, I was so embarrassed since we were with some of my dad's colleagues.
Failure To Fire I have one. Paul did a video on the model 60 issues. Cool gun, but highly problematic design. Playing with the tube near the muzzle isn’t much fun either.
I imagine the hidden bullet trick works with all tube fed guns, the cartridge in the on deck circle stays in even when the magazine is opened up and the rest are cleared out.
I had never been to this channel before and was pleasantly surprised. Paul does a great job of going through the what could happen and how to be cognizant of why those things happen. Every gun owner should watch this and it should be mandatory for new owners. Thanks for the video
So, when I was doing armed security many years ago, we had a guy that called in that he was in the hospital. What he did was clean his gun. He verified the chamber was clear, with the magazine in, closed it, pulled the magazine, and then fired the round he chambered in to his foot. We called him Leadfoot after that.
That infamous DEA agent (caught on video shooting himself in the leg while lecturing kids on the dangers of firearms) did the same thing with his Glock.
I had a co-worker shoot himself in the leg by doing cowboy pistolero twirling with a loaded Beretta. This was while he was at home entertaining his girlfriend.
There was a guy streaming on Twitch.TV the other week who did that Glock thing, he was half drunk, was showing off, pulled the slide back to empty the chamber WITH the mag still in and accidentally shot his wall. He got dropped from his org and was banned real quick.
I was watching a british military historian on his first with a live gun nobody taught him to only pull when you want to shoot (he was used to the high pound revolver triggers) he actually pre pulled the trigger before he shot when he got his hands on a modern pistol i had the fear of god for everyone around him he learned fast but thankfully didnt shoot anyone
Getting the sequence right and knowing your weapon intimately is so important. When I went through training in the Swedish Army we practised all the types of handling of our weapon for almost a week with dummy rounds before being allowed on the shooting range. We took both theoretical and practical tests having to show instructors that we fundamentally understood how our weapon works. This way it is pretty much impossible to get the sequence wrong. To someone who has had this kind of training, watching your examples of negligent dischargers almost seem hilarious and strange. As if that basically couldn't happen. But that's because I have been trained in a way where all these things are second nature + having been drilled on the four basic rules of firearms use. 1. Never assume that a weapon is unloaded, don't trust someone who says it is when handed a weapon. 2. Never point your weapon at something you do not wish to destroy. 3. Keep your fingers away from the trigger until you are actually supposed to shoot. 4. Never shoot something you are unsure about. Always identify your target, and the risks of your current bullet trajectory (what's in between you and the target, and what's behind the target?). During my 9 months training, we had one negligent discharge on the shooting range, the first field week. A recruit did actually get the sequence wrong, removed the round in the chamber, and accidentally released the mechanism forward to load another round, then removed the magazine. Then fired. The reason came out that the recruit did subconsciously feel that something wasn't right, but was in a stressful situation and didn't want to "bother anyone". The instructors had a talk with her and the entire platoon and basically explained that safety is number one. If we are doing a live-fire exercise, and you feel something is wrong, safety is still number one. Even though we are in the heat of the moment, you should never be afraid to basically stand up, call an officer and explain what you feel or have seen. Because of this, we are trained from the beginning that any soldier can at any point in time call out a fire ban to everyone around them. Just scream the command and your fellow recruits will have to stop shooting. Then you can calmly and without any blame put on anybody, assess the situation and correct whatever may be wrong (positioning, fire angles etc). + a weapon safety story of my own. We had a live-fire exercise. Then we had to move from one position to another, a couple km's away. When I got there, I laid down to rest as we got a few minutes before the next things were starting. I looked down at my firearm and saw that the safety was off, somehow it had gone from safe to semi-auto during that sprint. I had been basically running around for I don't know how long with an unsafe weapon and loaded magazine. But I had never mantled the rifle, so the chamber was empty. That was scary. Problems of negligent discharge are ones of either having the wrong mindset, not being trained well enough, or a combination of both.
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hey everyone; Thanks for Sharing your NG anecdotes. I know that many of these events are embarrassing and many were damned scary when they happened. All of them can be helpful to prevent others from making perhaps very costly mistakes. So again, thank you.
One time after clearing a jam in a 22 match pistol (Pardini, chamber a bit hard to see and does not nessesarily lock on an empty mag) that I «assumed» was on its 5th and last round when it jammed I removed the mag, loaded it up again and behold when I racked the slide a live round popped out.
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Hey Paul, have you made any videos about conceal carrying a firearm while a round is chambered? I know people are gonna rag on me for not having one chambered, but it’s still a big contention point personally.
@@jonkR96 He has - a while back so I can't find the video (watch ALL of them bro) - his question was "why WOULDN'T you carry with one in the chamber?", he said he always would but if you didn't like it for whatever reason including the fear factor then that's the right choice for you.
Many years ago when I got my first 1911, I had a negligent discharge at the range. The extractor bar was too straight and causing jams, so I pulled back the slide to allow the spent casing to fall out and then I removed the magazine without realizing there was a cartridge that had been chambered. I was very new and trying to do everything slowly and keeping the muzzle pointed downrange when I reflexively pulled the trigger. I did not know why the gun was jamming at that time and I was mentally (and apparently physically) going over the steps I had taken in an attempt to figure out if I was doing something wrong that led the jam. Needless to say, the gun bucked in my hand surprisingly and I broke out in a cold sweat over how bad things could've gone. Even when attempting to be as careful as possible, mistakes can still happen.
Protherium that’s crazy because blanks can still kill😮
The 2 loudest sounds: A Bang when you're expecting a Click and a Click when you're expecting a Bang.
Don't know about the 1st but so true on the 2nd!
Yep
I shot a mother bear.... with my camera. She heard that click like it was a boom. She then let me know I was in the wrong place and that I should leave.
Gene Miller don’t forget the dreaded “pffffft” sound of a squib. The scariest of sounds
noxxi knox I’m not stopping just because a doorknob turns
Important thing to remember, "lot of people are bit by dogs that don't bite and get shot by guns that aren't loaded."
Tyler Shrouder
I like that one. Never heard it before.
No such thing as an unloaded gun.
Up to this point I have not had a negligent discharge and my dog hasn't bitten anyone.
I don't own any firearms but one quote I always cite is "cemeteries are full of people who had right of way". Never assume that the person coming the other way is going to stop until you see them brake or you make eye contact.
And if you're a pedestrian ALWAYS check for incoming traffic, even if you're crossing at a green light, even if you're halfway through crossing a 3 lane roadway. Always check *each lane* individually before entering it, and if there's a truck obscuring your view stop and peer behind it before proceeding.
Just because the people in the first two lanes are stopped it doesn't mean someone distracted couldn't be coming in from that third one. If you get hit by a car as a pedestrian it may not legally be your fault, but as far as I'm concerned there is almost _always_ negligence on your part, because you did not ensure the road was clear.
All dogs bite and all guns are loaded.
Period.
One time I was handed a rifle at a gun shop, and naturally I checked the chamber. The employee huffed and asked "Do you really think I would hand you a loaded weapon?" That kind of cavalier attitude to the readiness condition of a firearm is what often leads to NDs.
"I understand your point, but now YOU know it is safe and I KNOW it is safe."
"Yes, every time, it's how I've gone 20 years without murdering something that didn't deserve murdering."
I've seen this exact thing happen, but in reverse, where the gun shop employee gets handed a gun, they very marginally open the chamber to check, the owner of the gun says "Do you really think i'd hand you a loaded gun?" to which the gun shop employee fully pulls the bolt back, and a round comes flying out
I’ve seen tons of youtube comments with that exact attitude too. “Bullets don’t just transport into a chamber” was one. Yes, they do actually, at least that’s how your brain will perceive it.
The best advice my father ever gave to me was "Every gun is loaded. I don't give a shit how many times you've checked it."
My first introduction to Paul, RIP
Same here... the algorithm brought it back to me just now... Weird to miss someone that I haven't seen in so many years. RIP Paul.
😢😢😢
he lives on forever as long as the internet continues to exist
@pinefilms3141
As Long as "America" The Dream and Hope Exhists!
A Professional!
Paul
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I tried a negligent discharge joke, it didn't go off like expected.
I approve of this pun.
People are always shocked when they find out I am an amateur electrician.
That’s probably bc you went for it all half cocked.
Clever!
Ba-Dum-Bum
Tip: If someone calls you out on violating a golden rule of gun safety (i.e. having your finger on the trigger), please don't get upset or angry. That pride will get someone killed one day.
Goddamn right. Having some humility could save lives.
I only recently became a gun owner but several years ago I went to the range with my cousin. He was going over the rules of gun safety including never pointing the barrel of the gun at someone you don't want to shoot and always assuming the gun is loaded. Then he proceeds to point his f-ing gun right at me as he inspects it before going to the range. I said, "Hey man remember, don't point that thing at me." He snorted, "It's not loaded don't be such a baby." And so I lost all confidence in him.
My father got mad at me for grabbing his arm and pointing it down range when he was looking at it
It's like saying lighting will strike you one day.
Finger should be off the trigger, but finger on the trigger in proper hands will never shoot the trigger itself.
For extra safety every gun owner should have finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, but that myth is obnoxious
Underrated comment. The reaction to calling out poor muzzle or trigger discipline is something to keep in mind. My mom, my grandma, and my ex all demonstrated poor regard for gun safety that, upon me or someone else getting gassed up over having a gun pointed at them, instead reacted in ways which exacerbated the issue. My mom and my ex both started waving the gun around (in the same way), while my grandma might've been too old to really know or care what she was doing, responding to other peoples' comments by making the issue worse. Got to be careful of the environment and the response to dealing with poor discipline. I find a third party helps a great deal, especially with the egos involved in "dudes watching dudes."
He could pull an RPG out of his pocket and casually use it to explain something, and i would just accept it.
I think his pockets are actually portals to his secret firearms dimension.
Happy little surprise.
Best advertisement for the clothes he wears
Kazmark_gl one man armory
"Although the types of weapons encountered in the field vary wildly, one stands out as overwhelmingly common. This is my RPG-7D3 paratrooper model rocket-propelled grenade launcher..."
RIP Mr. Harrell.. 😞 You were truly my favorite gun guy on RUclips! 💯 I have leaned much from you. Thank you sir..
I started carrying a gun after an attempted mugging a few years ago....
...since then my mugging attempts have been a lot more successful.
Wow
lmao
ahahahhaa
@@willyjf6193 Thank you. Thank you.
@@badlandskid Haha!
I learned more about gun safety from this 16-minute video than I did in a 4-hour gun safety class. Thank you, Paul.
I thought the same thing. But, trust that the learner has a safe fear of what could happen is crucial this type of training. That doesn't pan out in all cases. Those 4 hour intro classes - not sure why they are required. Should be a good 16 hours of training, have to meet 4 times so info is presented and absorbed several times over time, and tested. Very similar to learning to fly - much trust in letting the noob go solo for the first time. You have to trust the person wants to avoid death sufficiently to perform to minimum standards, at least.
@Miraj Just my guess but size might play a part in it. You can hold a gun in your hand and you have that little trigger so you assume you have much more control over it VS operating a big heavy car whose two pedals and steering wheel you have to pray to (exaggerating lol) to ensure that you don’t hit another car or a living thing
It’s much larger, so you assume it’s much more complicated and that there’s many more factors out of your control than something smaller that is trivialized as “Just point and shoot”
Ye ik my 8 hr cwp class litteraly was laughable I already knew all the things they said but I guess it is good to have new people learn but it's just nowhere near enough training some of the people didn't even have guns and would ask just dumb questions I know they say there are no dumb questions but they are lol. One of the people didn't have a gun then went up there and bought a .22 rifle and rented a gun because they didn't have one then someone asked should they keep there gun in a safe in the top of the closet and the ammo in there nightstand drawer like wtf
I practiced to take a stick apart.....
RUclips: "shit stains" But you didn't put it back together!
We can all say that but in person classes is more serious. Here on the video you get distracted easily n miss very important words as if u were in person u focus ur physical appearance N are more in attention
In Russia we have a saying, "Once a year, even a broom fires a shot." Don't ever point a firearm in a direction you aren't willing to shoot. You may think the chamber is empty, you might have even checked, but once a year, even a broom fires a shot.
There’s another comment that says something similar, “when in doubt, a broomstick shoots.”
@@CausingChaos. i swear that for pool/billiards. But i'm not russian, but i swear i've heard people say that about broomsticks referring to using them as pool cues.
With the hustle & bustle and numerous distractions in life, so easy to forget you chambered one.
I'm gonna start using that.
I'd also love to hear it said in Russian
Now that makes my appendix carry even more uncomfortable than ever and I don't carry a broomstick!!!
"A Paul Harrrel Production" lives in my head rent free forever, I know he's in a better place now.
He's what you call a professional.
When it comes to ND, the best anecdote I've ever heard is: The loudest sound in the world is getting a bang when you expect a click, or getting a click when you expect a bang.
Definitely bang when desiring a click. Distance from your head has a great deal to do with it, had 2.
@@MasterTaters You didn't learn to check the chamber after the first one?
@@elmateo77 2 completely different types of firearms mate. I don't own 10 da/sa guns i own guns of nearly every type. One wasn't really even negligent as much a failure in thumb strength decocking a revolver,in use, if you count that. I've only had one real stupid one, finger not being where its supposed to, cw 380 and ive never really considered striker fired pistols to be particularly safe compared to da/sa with safeties and slide releases. I don't have children, I live alone, Of course both times they were pointed in a safe direction. Cops gave me no shit. Why should i take it from someone other than the guy i came here to get it from, paul harrell, not you. Shits dealt with guy. The fact im hear listening about it should give me some kinda check against that. Everyone here thats said something about having a negligent discharge has no real excuse at the end of the day, paul asked for stories about it anyway. First time I already knew it was loaded and i was decocking downrange on a live round somewhere in the first 25 shots i ever took with it. 2nd one was because I had never had a striker fired pistol especially one so small and i had my finger in the trigger guard while chambering a round and i gave it a bit of a squeeze while i did that just from sorta manhandling the little pipsqueak, while taking it out intentionally chambering it to put it back in my watch pocket. So both times i knew there is or is going to be a round there, and of course i checked it properly before i even initiated that process. Now you have specifics. Chew away at me. For i like many others here are obviously vile ne'erdowells who earned righteous indignation from YOU specifically. Go get around to everybody else before they stop caring.
@@MasterTaters Relax I was just joking, idc where you shoot as long as I'm not in the area.
Love it.
Paul: I could go on about holsters all day
Me: My schedule looks clear
@Paul Harrell Make it happen please.
bhauger1 - well only if it’s in appendix then it’s ok. Cause gangsta life......
I actually think he has a video on holsters, or "carry methods". It was a pretty interesting video!
Tuco don't need no holster.
@Marine1775Preacher1611 American1776 yeah okay, Fair point. But you get what I meant 😑
“We had to correct the situation”
As a platoon leader, Paul must have really given it to the guy lol
I can imagine he walked away feeling 3 inches tall.
Yep, listening to that line told me all I needed to know about how that private/specialist's day went immediately thereafter lol
Probably had to run a couple miles while reciting the basic gun safety rules, with an empty mag in one hand, and a open pistol with a cable-lock through it in the other. "This gun is loaded!"
Paul doesn't need to raise his voice. His death stare of ultimate disappointment is enough.
About 15 years ago, I failed to remove the magazine and empty the chamber in the right order. Left a loaded rifle on the table while I went to get my cleaning supplies. My brother picked the rifle up and checked to ensure it was unloaded as proper gun safety measures dictate. He found it had been loaded the entire time. Thinking about what could have happened still gives me a feeling of absolute dread.
I made this mistake before taking my pistol apart to clean it and shot a 9mm hollow point through my hand. I obliterated the bone in my hand under my pinky and I go in for reconstructive surgery tomorrow.
@@TheGriimReefer Hope you're doing okay now.
@@TheGriimReefer I'm a bit late. Holy shit. That's terrible. I hope you be more careful in the future.
This is why there are so many rules: you learn and apply all of them, and if one day you don't apply one of them (and you will, because humans make mistakes), the other rules should protect you until you realise your mistake
That's why I always leave the chamber open until I'm ready to start breaking the gun down for cleaning.
The 306 people that disliked have negligently discharged their dislike button
i thought you said thirty-aught-six i was confused lol
Boom boom. That's what I call deliberately discharged clever pun.
438 now 👎 for child support
You may be joking, but this is actually mostly-correct.
When people ask "How does anyone dislike this video?", they are often failing to account for those who accidentally click dislike. And it's more than most people think. I've done it myself only to come back to the video later on asking myself "Why is the dislike button highlighted blue?".
Na just stupid
I swear, Paul is like a videogame protagonist with the amount of weapons he could just casually pull out of his pockets.
ANd as smooth as butter too
@@tanork47 Yeah, really satisfying.
He's Tackleberry's brother!
Even the way he explains everything is like something out of a game tutorial. Npc dialogue
I better see him and Garand Thumb on the next CoD
I’ve never shot a gun in my life but this video was so engaging that I sat down and watched it in its entirety. Nice work, great video.
Paul Harrell is RUclips therapy
same here. shot: rifle yes, shotgun yes, gun no
don't own any because of realy strict rules in my country. still find these video's informative
@@The2Dennis Machine guns are super exciting to shoot, do it if you ever get a chance. it was free for me since "I was in Army".
For real, dude could do ASMR vids.
If u ever get a chance man I would recommend it, loads of fun and so many different choices of guns, contrary to media beliefs!!
An ugly one: When I was in the Norwegian Army in the early 70s, a guy in the neighboring company for whatever reason forgot a live round in the chamber when taking the magazine out after a day on the range.
He didn't find out until the cleaning session later that day. Then the round went off and his comrade was fatally hit in the abdomen. A very tragic and very effective lesson.
45 years later I still remember this incident like yesterday...
A gun is always loaded! Even when it's clear it's still loaded.
Lost a patient while working as EMT, who had attempted to clean their handgun while a round was in the chamber. Discharged into their own abdomen. The handgun had been a gift from a family member, as I understood it. It was the only gunshot wound I encountered in my career.
This happened at Ft Carson in 2006 - took a 50 cal off the pintal, didn't clear it, and it was being loaded into a humvee, went off, killed the person loading it, taking off the leg of the person behind him, and going into the engine of the humvee behind him.
Jesus Christ, that's awful for everyone involved. Senseless loss of life. Sorry you all had to go through that.
poor training entirely.
Proving Rule 0: "The gun is always loaded, especially when it isn't."
amen, the disciple of finger discipline speaks
Rule Number 1: "The devil load the weapon, and the idiot discharge the weapon"
Rule Number 2: "The idiot load the weapon and the same idiot discharge, the devil is inocent".
Thou hath emptied thou's magazine sire
If only that worked on the 2 way range.
Proving rule 1: You shouldn't handle a gun.
Clearing a colleague's M-16 for him: Dropped the magazine, pulled the bolt to the rear, looked in the (empty) chamber, released the bolt, pulled the trigger, and BANG! The ejector spring was broken and the (fortunately) blank was still grasped to the bolt face by the extractor. Check the receiver, not just the chamber.
yup, 3 point check: 1 feed path 2 chamber 3 bolt face
I usually just half charge it so the bolt and the chamber are visible through the ejection port
Had something like this happen back in basic, went through a couple of days without firing a blank. Cleared the rifle every time while returning to the bivouac area and then put the same ejected blank on top of the magazine every time, happened quite often as the water buffalo and porta potty are outside of the bivouac area. After a few days of this the blank just didn't eject, it was quite a close one it's dark at night but I noticed nothing came out and pull the charging handle a couple more times before it ejected. My theory was that the casing got damaged from being ejected so many times.
In a gun shop. The extractor was chipped. Did not extract and the boss looked in the magazine then closed it and fired it. I saw the round in the chamber, but he closed and pulled the trigger quick.
This is why I always rack the slide or cycle the bolt at least twice. (In addition to checking the bolt and receiver. )
This man is seriously a treasure. This channel is a free course that is chalk full of information.
I agree. BTW, the expression is "chock full." en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chock_full
But the info is common sen.....oh yeah never mind, I've met people 😐
@@HPaulHonsinger Enjoyed your humor!
RIP Paul. Catching up on old videos I missed when they came out, and this is a fabulous one.
Yep... over the past 40 years, I think I've seen every one of these at least once. And, must ashamedly admit to having had one of them myself. I was about 17... picked up a shotgun in our basement, threw it to my shoulder, drew a bead on the cupboard door at the end of our basement laundry room, and proceeded to blow that damn door right off it's hinges. Eeey-yeah... nice. Never even THOUGHT to check to see if it was loaded. Guns in our home were ALWAYS unloaded. Except, of course, for that one, that day. THOU SHALT NEVER ASSUME...
I had my only ND with a 12g, when I was a lad as well. Showing off my new shotgun to a buddy, who racked it a few times, while I was focusing on my computer. He handed it back, and I assumed it would be in the same condition in which I handed it to him. Shells in the tube, none in the chamber. But he never pulled the trigger to drop the hammer. So I held it, barrel pointed upward, and pulled the trigger, to drop the hammer, and slammed a hole through my ceiling and roof, with 3-inch mag, 000-buck. I'm not ashamed to admit it. It was completely my fault for not checking the chamber, and am glad I at least had the sense to purposely point it in a safe derection. But I feel having a ND really and truly solidifies the fundamentals of weapon safety into someone. Same with an AD.
@@oddvoid My two younger brothers had similar experience. While in their teens, my youngest bro pointed the shotgun AT my other brother in the bedroom thinking in was unloaded. My other brother yelled at him. My youngest brother says he really really felt like pulling the trigger to prove it was not loaded, but he pulled it down and checked. I'm sure everyone had guessed, it was loaded with buckshot. He says it still gives him sweats thinking how close he come to killing his brother.
I had it happen to me too at a very young age. Glad it happened in a safe environment. Best lesson ever though 😅
I took out my dads big screen with my 410 when I was twelve years old scared the hell out of me.and I got a whipping
My brother had an ND, I had handed him a 20g double barrel I though he knew was loaded, a nice looking gun about 3x my age, and he immediately, without checking, yelled "safety check!" and now our ceiling is full of birdshot.
The unshouldering of that rifle was so smooth I had to go back and watch it a few times.
If you like this, watch his video about slings.
Muscle memory....everything you need to know about firearms. :)
Always remember this: The loaded gun kills your enemy and the empty gun kills your friend.
stefstaf Damn. That's a really good way to think about it.
trigger discipline is one of the greatest measures of a man.
Genious!
Actually, all too often your loaded gun is used by a perp to kill you.
Excellent quote, I’m a UK army guy & I hope u don’t mind but I’m gonna steal that from you for my trainees. Thx
I found this guy through his “I’m dead” title.
I then found myself watching garand thumb’s interview of him, watching his eyes wander in thought between interactions.
Now somehow I am here?
I have no firearms, nor intent on owning firearms. I have some personal problems with myself, you see, so it would be unwise given that when I get sad, I tend to get brave.
But that being said, I hope to stumble across this man’s ideas as time goes on. I don’t know him, or anything about him really- but I can tell he had an earnest heart.
I’m not part of this community in any formal or informal capacity, but I am proud to see so many people across this platform show him the respect and dignity that he earned.
The firearms community are the butt end of a lot of jokes, but they can’t make jokes about the discipline so many of you foster into each other.
Stay safe everyone, do what you can to keep this guys spirit alive, I think he did a lot of good for the community at large.
Accidental discharge: My wife's uncle goes to unload his Remington 700 (7mm Rem Mag) after hunting elk. He rotates the bolt, rifle fires and kills a propane tank in the back of his truck as it passes through it, the bed of the truck, and through the gas tank. He had to walk back to town. He sent the rifle in to Remington, they repaired it, and he gave it to me because he no longer trusted it - even though it had been repaired.
Negligent discharge: My father-in-law, a retired police officer, after showing me his new XD45, racks the slide to reload the pistol. His arthritic hand slips off the slide, it slams forward, his finger was on the trigger and he killed his Sleep Number bed and the bullet lodged under the carpet on the floor.
Oh yeah, a .45 ACP is hella loud in the house.
Yep...well known issue with the 700's. Remington knew about this and could have fixed them all with a .25cent part but figured settling lawsuits was less expensive. As with Glock, they just raise the price of their new firearms a couple dollars to cover the expense of the payouts.
1: if he was just showing it off, why was it loaded?
2: old people with physical issues shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
Geez if I didn't trust a weapon any longer, the LAST person I'd give it to is a family member! But then, if I was the nephew, I'd be all, "Hey, free gun!! Cool!!" - :)
>his finger was on the trigger and he killed
Oh no...
>his Sleep Number bed
Oh... okay then.
@@trash9378 1. The post says " after showing me his new XD45, racks the slide to reload ..." He was done showing it and was reloading it so it would be useful.
2. Actually old people with physical issues need guns more than young healthy guys.
The gun didn't go off because the old guy was arthritic.
It went off because he had his finger in the trigger guard when he did not intend to fire.
"It's always the unloaded gun that kills you" - to quote my dad
@Addict c: well your dad did unload his gun for you to be alive so...
@@josealmeida5768 WOW
Most people are shot with an unloaded gun. After a shooting the witnesses state ..."I thought the gun was unloaded." The fact is all guns are loaded unless I personally check the gun.
@@josealmeida5768
Clearly it was an accidental discharge
Greek army soldiers manual says that. NEVER toy with a weapon, empty weapons kill.
My grandpa drilled this stuff into my head for a long time before we ever went to the range, I still hear his voice when I handle my firearms.
Same here. I was taught how to shoot and handle guns safely when I was about five years old by my grandfather. I credit him for the importance I place on gun safety.
Thats creepy.
Your house may be haunted.
Same
Same with my old man and the 4 safety rules.
My grandpa didn't even let me handle his guns until I was 10. He drilled the 4 rules by making me recite them whenever the subject came up. He always said he would take me to the range when I was in high school. He died when I was 12. I miss him.
With 20+ years of military experience, this was an excellent reminder. I love that Paul can continue to teach the next generation even after moving on.
I was hunting in some rough country and due to some loose rocks & over-estimation of my sure-footedness, I ended up going ass-over-tea-kettle through some brush. The rifle was on Safe and finger off the trigger, I held onto it, and other than some scratches on myself and a bruised ego... All seemed well after inspection and some self deprication.
Later on, I spotted some deer in the valley below. I set up, looked trough the glass and moved the selector to Fire... *BANG* ...it went off with my finger nowhere near the trigger. The deer took off and I had to take inventory to ensure I didn't crap myself... I hadn't.
I left it on a now expended bass casing and went back to camp. After unloading it and tearing it down, I found debris in the trigger housing.
I cleaned it out, reassembled it and did a function test... After making sure it was still unloaded about a dozen times... And it all checked out fine and functional.
So yeah, it was an accidental discharge by Paul's definition, but it still freaked the hell out of me and I still felt that I had failed to prevent it... For some time, the "What If" & "If Only" fairies had free rent in my head. All my years hunting, my time in the Army, and the classes I'd taken, didn't mean shit when that bullet took off addressed with "to whom it may concern" stamped on it.
I still have that Model 70 in the Gun Safe as a reminder that _"Murphy is an Optimist"._
Should get that engraved on the gun above the trigger
@@Airen130
🤣🤣🤣... I just might.
Get rid of that model 70. Chop it up. Destroy it.
@@lessharratt8719
Please don't have children... I'd hate to see how you'd treat them if they misbehave or fail to "live up to your standards".
Firearms equals children. You are truly insane.
Of all the times he says “Don’t try this at home”, this time he REALLY means it...
That was my first thought, ... and this is how you can tell he's a professional, he did this a live-fire range, not at home.
@@donfrost9457 He ALWAYS MEANT IT>>> ALWAYS.
My dad is in his mid 50s, was in the Army for 21 years, has hunted for decades, and had his first ND last year. It can happen to even the best of us.
Thanks for being here.
Honesty counts for almost everything, when teaching SAFETY.
Without honesty, there can be no altruism.
Similar here. MP In the Guard from 05-12, Iraq 09-10, stayed active for an additional year 10-11. Then did security contracting and weapons instruction all over Afghanistan from 12-17. Had an ND in my back yard while teaching my friends how to shoot a 1911. Had it down range while demonstrating the grip safety on the back. The 1 fucking time I did not visually and physically inspect the chamber is the one time a live round was loaded. Scared everyone speechless and in a strong range voice I asked if everyone learned something from my negligence. Been working, running, and teaching guns for years and the one time I was not paranoid, is when I failed. Luckily the gun was down range and everyone was behind me. There is a gaping hole in our little range table from where a high quality .45 cannon balled it's way through.
I now use that gaping hole in the table to start each new instruction as an example of what WILL happen the second you lose respect for your tools.
@@krwiles Well said. Well done.
@@krwiles And that's why keeping the thing pointed away from anything that you don't want a gaping hole in goes a long way.
Glad no one got fucked up from that.
I got a new kel tec sub 2000 4 months ago. I had been working 80 hrs a week. I just got in late from being out of town and called the ffl and picked it up. I get home and load the mag in my room and leave the mag in my room. I go to the livingroom to fondle my new toy. I got tired of messing with the gun, so I go to my room, insert the magazine and put the gun away. About an hr later I go and get it again with the magazine in the gun. I drop the magazine and check the chamber and start messing with it again. I get tired of messing with it again and reinsert the magazine and set it beside me. 20 or 30 minutes later "about 11pm" I pick it up, charge it and pull the trigger. Sent a 9mm into the ceiling. I was tired and should not have been messing with the gun and broke many rules in the process.
This video is definitely going to appear in court as a reference soon....
What why
@@literatemax Alec Baldwin
@@14metallicafreak i didnt even think of that
I came to the comments searching for Alec Baldwin jokes
BALD
I learned my first bit of gun safety from my uncle. He had 2 primary rules 1:The gun is always loaded until proven otherwise, 2: The gun is always loaded even when proven otherwise
Every single time I pick up my guns I check them. Every single time and treat them as if they were loaded even though I may have checked them two or three times. Every single time.
The unspoken rule of thermodynamics: Even though matter cannot be created, a gun always has a bullet in the chamber.
the more I watch these videos the more I want to buy a surplus of flags to stick in every chamber of every gun I'm not actively using just to quintuple check that the gun is doubly clear
@@alejandroquesada Schrodinger’s gun, except the round is always in the damn gun.
First rule, it’s loaded even if it isn’t, second keep your booger hook off the bang bang switch
I like how precise this guy is, would be a perfect instructor
In his other videos he says that he was
He was a instructor in the Marines and iirc won marksmanship contests while in the service.
@@blaxicanx I thought he said he was only an 11th heptagonal viceroy shooter.... Pfft... He's practically an amateur 😋
He is an instructor and a former Marine.
Yes Marines and army.
I'm glad to see you are still doing well Paul. Keeping everyone well educated on gun safety and other aspects of guns, really appreciate it.
The year was 2000 I came home after a long day of work and had an accident discharge. My son now 21 loves your videos.
Daaaang that's more cold than the climate in this video... :D
My father told me in the East German army there was a saying
Im Zweifel schießt ein Besenstiel - When in doubt, a broomstick shoots.
According to another commenter, they say that in Russia too
@@El-Burrito Who knows, maybe they got it from there. After all the East German NVA was strongly allied with the Soviet Red Army.
@@El-Burrito it's not that far off, east germany was a part of the Eastern Bloc for some time.
@@theaninova Highly plausible, but in fact Russia has had a lasting history of relationship with Germany since the 18th century, so it might have been the other way around. Or actually forth from Germany in the 18th and then back from Russia after WW2
Whenever I unload a firearm , I look into the chamber and say out loud “ visually unloaded “ then put my finger in the chamber after that and say “ physically unloaded “
Those two steps and verbal sequences have helped me never have an ND
M M
Great idea! I think I’ll start doing exactly that myself.
Just like checklists in aviation, standard operating procedures in e.g. armed forces or police, are used to minimise the chances of an “avoidable accidental discharge” AKA a negligent discharge.
Creating and following our own “personal SOPs” is an extremely simple method of avoiding NDs caused by complacent routine or ‘trusting’ the gun.
Michał
Glad I can help !
@Heyward Shepherd an pull the trigger to prove its empty, because I always know if it's empty
M M wears a belt... and suspenders.
Heyward Shepherd i had one while play it again
True Story: I was in basic training at the firing range. We were told if our weapon jammed we should bump the forward assist three times and if that didn't work then we should raise our hand and a drill sergeant would come and clear the weapon. I had a jam, bumped the forward assist and still nothing. I raised my hand and the drill sergeant came and cleared my weapon. There was something peculiar about how he cleared it that made me uncomfortable and he could see it in my eyes. This upset him because he basically felt my discomfort was conveying a message that I didn't trust his experience in clearing a weapon. For a brief moment I could see that he wanted to point the weapon at me and pull the trigger to show that it was clear, but luckily he went against his instinct, pointed the weapon down range and pulled the trigger... it fired. After going over it in my head, I think what must have happened is that he pulled back the charging handle which cleared the round in the chamber and then dropped the magazine. As most know, he should have dropped the magazine first, and then pulled back the charging handle.
Did he learn?
Did THEY freak out?
@@Asdayasman He being a drill sergeant, I didn't really have the chance to ask.
@@damienmcneff7715 We both freaked out inwardly. (His eyes went wide open.)
Yes i buy this story. You will agree theres a lot if fake ones on here. For what its worth ill add mine, which our instructors told us had happened at a previous course. (Ctc lympstone. Uk. Royal marines) after a busy day, someone was cleaning his fn rifle in the barracks, had an accidental discharge, the round went through several walls and killed a guy sitting on the toilet.
Now, i never verified this story and we all just accepted it stony faced but they might have told us that to scare us a bit. They were very concerned about rifle drill anyway and would freak out if you made an arse of it.
This is the only gun channel I'm subscribed too. I agreed with him 99.999 percent of the time, the other .001 I kept to myself because at some point I will watch an old video and it will be 100% of the time. I didn't personally know him , but anyone can tell he was a good man. RIP 😢
This is the most important PH video yet. Should be required viewing for anyone wanting to learn more about firearms.
My teaching was simple: the only time the chamber is empty is when you are looking at the empty chamber. As soon as you can't see the chamber, the gun is loaded.
That's stupid.
@@koobertohumperdink8702 It's a good way to be taught, particularly for magazine-fed guns. There are lots of different factors that a fresh beginner won't always be keeping in mind on top of everything else they're trying to learn day one. Best to teach them to always treat a gun as loaded. Then, once they're comfortable with their technical knowledge and handling experience, they can make that determination for themselves that the gun could only possibly be unloaded.
That's a great way to train your brain to always handle a gun as if it's loaded. Complacency kills.
@@koobertohumperdink8702 That mindset is what instills complacency.
Like teargas said: Complacency kills.
@@Hexaven Wrong. I check the chamber every time before I handle a firearm. but if I remove the ammunition and am dry firing I don't need to check the chamber every 5 minutes. I know when the gun is and is not loaded. first time I pick up a weapon I assume it is loaded until I check it. but once I've checked it and I know it's unloaded I'm not going to pretend like it is still loaded. that is stupid.
Had 1 negligent discharge. It happened when I was 13, another double entendre to add. I was at a shotgun shooting range with my stepfather's stepfather, and I was taken to practice shoot. At one point of shooting, I always kept the barrel in safe direction, I failed to engage the safety. Before saying pull I was asked "is your safety enaged?" Rather than looking I just pulled the trigger pointing the gun down range, and said something like " oh shit, nope". I was immediately told to "empty the gun and put the safety on, and that I'm done for the day". So embarrassed, and disappointed with myself I will never forget it.
Stepfather's stepfather is not a title I ever thought I'd see
@@NathanDudani 'murica
@@NathanDudani Anthony will also live on to be a stepfather
Embarrassing moments are often the most remembered
Glad you felt so ashamed but happy you learnt something without hurting anyone.
I just had my first one yesterday. I was on an unsupervised range in the middle of nowhere, I was testing handloads in my BFR .500 Magnum.
It single action, everytime I cock it I have to move my supporting hand to reach the hammer and then carefully regrip my hands. Well, I'm not 100% sure what I did, because I had gloves on, but somehow I must of touched the trigger and shot the dirt about a yard from my feet. The gun went flying and landed about 10 feet away.
I feel so terrible, I'm not sure I've ever felt this bad about anything in my life.
I hope you forgive your mistake and get back to shooting w competence.
Just in 2021 I was hunting with my dad. Lever action 44. With a scope. When we got out of the truck some deer ran off so we were going to stalk them. I tried to lower the hammer after chambering a round. Had gloves on, Thumb got stuck between the hammer and the scope and I tried to fit my other thumb between the hammer and the gun. Tried to pull my other thumb off the hammer but the gun went off and hit a tree about 3 yards away. I was so sad and embarrassed I didn't hunt the rest of the season.
@@Chris-ef3vz Gun safety is so good. Had it pointed in a safe direction, so even though we only messed up one rule, nothing was damaged except our egos. And gun safety is so good that we feel immense shame...
@@SpecialEDy better shame than medical bills or possible criminal charges. Or worse, dead. at least you can admit it.
My dog set off my savage 24 leaning up againlst a tree. He managed to cock the hammer with the leash and he stepped on the trigger a millisecond later. An entire hunting party had to help each other check for holes in one another. That was in 2003. I never in a million years would think an uncocked gun sitting against a tree in the middle of the woods surrounded by experienced hunters could be dangerous. I was wrong and now any gun that leaves my physical possession does so sans ammunition.
I did my firearms training courtesy of Her Maj 33 years ago and I still remember the loading and unloading drills like it was yesterday. Watching this was a like a lovely stroll down Memory Lane except it didn't have the CSM shouting at you. Remember a day when a group of us was waiting to take out places on the range whilst the group ahead were firing the Sterling SMG and one worthy had a stoppage then, with the weapon at hip height, turned round and flashed the whole group with the muzzle whilst fiddling with the cocking handle. The RSM kicked them up the arse so hard they are probably rounding Saturn about now.... thanks for the video Paul.
A friend of mine had a similar . His involved a loaded Bren gun in the hands of a 14 year old school boy. 😬
Once I came in from the field after hunting with a loaded 30-30. I usually would never bring a loaded weapon into the house, but on this day it was single digits and I was freezing. I couldn't feel my fingers, and I went to rack the rounds out of the chamber and magazine. Since my fingers were numb and I couldn't feel them, I also didn't have good spacial recognition of where they were in regard to the trigger. When I went to place my hand in the rear portion of the lever, I inadvertently pushed my first two fingers into the trigger guard at discharged the Firearm into the ceiling of my laundry room. I decided not to patch the hole in my ceiling so that it would serve as a reminder to me and as an object lesson to my children that ALL of the rules of gun safety need to be followed ALL of the time.
Knowing me I'd be like I'm not gonna unload it when my fingers are numb then I would forget to unload it later
Set it down on your dinner table or somewhere else obnoxious so that you remember what you need to do once your fingers warm up
@@zerosoma33 yes sir! Better idea than what I did.
@@Kenniii3 tbh I wouldn't blame you for that especially considering you had very little feeling to your fingers and you were just trying to warm up, at least you learned to stay on guard even when your freezing your ass off like that lol
#1 rule is: you ARE the "safety."
"Always use the proper holster."
casualy drops into pocket
😂😂😂😂
Hey man, those pockets are tight. The amount of times you see him pull shit outa those pockets kinda tell you that they’re not deep and kinda thin
@@onefastsled I mean i've seen some of his videos where he'll pull out 3 or more guns out of a jacket like that lmao.
I've yet to see him pull a chambered gun from a pocket. He does this for ease of doing these lessons, plus the pockets are just awesome!
Those arent pockets theyre built in 1911 serpa holsters instead.
We love and miss you dearly Paul... RIP
My father once told me "Just about the time you think you've mastered it.. tell yourself.. you haven't."
Most of the carpenters I've known who have lost fingers in their saws, didn't have any accidents until they were extremely experienced. With guns, saws, or other dangerous things, it's not good to feel excessively comfortable.
Shredders exactly.
My dad told me the same thing except he said the day you think you have mastered something is the day you need to quit or leave what ever it is
Smart man
If you think you've mastered something its because you lack the experiance to know better.
It's amazing how many times you will hear someone say "I thought it was empty". What also amazes me is how many people consider a firearm empty just because the chamber is empty, but then come to find out they have a loaded magazine inserted in the firearm.
A range I use to go to in Florida had a ND at the sales counter when a customer brought in his handgun for a trade in. The employee behind the counter asked the man if the gun was empty which the customer replied yes, the employee then racked the slide and pulled the trigger and shot the soda machine across the lobby. Nobody was physically hurt, but I believe the customer was banned from the range, and the employee was fired.
I heard the gun was fired too
And Trump did it. Lol
@@JamesS.254 Yeah that damn Trump, created this shit in Afghanistan now Biden has to mop up.
@@MikeNaples it was a "you're fired joke" , not sure where you thought Afghanistan was even brought up???
That whole issue started when his dad tried pulling out and couldnt even do that right
Drop the mag, LOCK THE ACTION OPEN while removing the round, VISUALLY INSPECT THE CHAMBER AND MAG WELL, unlock the action and cycle 3 times. The slide lock is GOLD. Never understood why people don't use it. Awesome videos, Paul!
Excellent point. Chamber flags are also a good thing.
@@Sherman62 yeah, i have two pistols with visual & tactile loaded chamber indicators; i think that's the only "must have" feature in my repetoir
Hi Paul, British guy here, late to the party with a Negligent Discharge story from my school days (30+ years ago): We had an indoor smallbore rifle range at our school, run under the auspices of the Ministry of Defence for our school cadet force. One of the regulations was that only single-shot bolt-action .22 calibre target rifles could be used on it. It was a narrow building, 6 firing points, the rifle lockers down one side wall in front of the firing point (protected by sandbags from any stray bullets). The master in charge would sit on a canvas backed chair behind the firing point, with the door behind him. The headmaster owned a pump action .22 magazine rifle and had allowed some of the shooters to use it one day, in defiance of the aforementioned restriction. At the end of the detail, the two shooters were clearing up when someone came to the door, so the master got up from his chair and went outside to talk to him. One boy was downrange putting rifles in the lockers, the other boy was on the firing point and picked up the pump action to check it was clear. As there was a boy downrange he turned and pointed it at the master's chair to dry fire it after cycling the action twice. To his astonishment, it went off, blowing a surprisingly large hole in the chair's canvas back and an even larger one in the wooden doorpost, thankfully not penetrating all the way through. There was hell to pay. The commanding officer of the CCF, a former Army Sergeant Major who had been unaware of the pump-action rifle's use on the range, insisted on reporting it as a dangerous incident to the MoD. The school could have lost the licence for shooting and possibly even its funding for the cadet force. The headmaster nearly lost his personal firearms license.
Lesson on the revolver cylinder rotation was gold. Never thought of that. Thank you sir. Subscribed.
That was the most surprising one for me.
Always check the barrel if you’re not sure......
@@becomematrix OOF
@@JohnTheRevelat0r i meant to say cilinder haha but I thought of an autoloader 😹
Scariest day of my life was my first slam fire (gun discharged when the slide was released and finger was OFF the trigger). Awareness of muzzle direction (and the grace of God) prevented a catastrophe.
Did God send you to your room?
@@jameschristiansson3137 God bless you
BWM don’t you mean hopefully you repaired or destroyed the gun?
I was lucky. My slam fire was after I had cleaned a new to me old rifle. It was unloaded when I cycled it but what a shock when it fired. Took it to a gunsmith and he couldn't duplicate the problem. I've had the rifle for over 50 years now with never a repeat but it really enforced the keep the muzzle in a safe direction rule.
A browning hi power overseas in Afghanistan did that . The gun plumbers told the SGT relax your good. But the ranks above never believed it and road him hard after that. He is and always was a good man .
Had a buddy when I was overseas who was cleaning his M4 when they called that chow was ready. He threw everything back together and slapped a magazine in when he remembered that he had to do a functions check. So he charges the weapon, somehow flips the fire selector past semi and into burst (still don't know how he managed that one), and put 3 rounds through the roof of the tent.
Never heard it so quiet around there.
Did he go through the rest of the weapons function? If he did safe first, then semi, then burst when racking back the charging handle.
@@TheAspiringLawgiver Like I said he went right past semi. First charge seated a round and first pull of the trigger let off the burst. Obviously wasn't following the proper SOP from the get go so I wouldn't be surprised about how many steps he skipped.
@@TheTurtalitarian right on. Crazy.
What was the response from his commanding officer?
@@NotOneOfUs No idea. Never wanted to ask honestly lol. The less you know is sometimes better. I will say that probably the most interesting part of the story was the corrective action that followed. Dude had to stand in front of the chow tent for a month; Every breakfast, lunch and dinner he had a sign that he wore with the proper weapon clearing procedures listed. Once all the other joes filed in for chow he could go in and eat.
I will say I don't know what admin actions were taken against him, but the punishment seemed pretty lenient. The highest ranking of our unit on the COP was a butter bar; everyone else was part of an SF team. It all seemed like it was handled exclusively in-house.
I once had an accidental discharge (not negligent). I was shooting an old 380 makarov pistol and went to clear it from fully loaded and chambered position. I dropped the mag and flipped the safety on with the intention of immediately afterward clearing the chamber. Instead, the safety being flipped to the safe position caused the gun to fire the round still in the chamber. Luckily gun safety was so natural at that point to me that I still had the gun pointed down range the entire time I was handling it. The craziest part of this story is after the round fired and while I was looking down at the gun, more than a little shocked and startled, I noticed the bullet that I had just accidentally fired literally roll up to my boot and stop an inch away. I still have that bullet and will remember the incident for the rest of my life, as a reminder of why gun safety is so so important.
I wouldn’t call that accidental discharge. that was a malfunction. And it happens
@@iaibandfrom what I gathered in this very video, an accidental discharge is a an unwanted discharge that happens because of factors beyond gun user's negligence - such as malfunction.
basically, if you do everything right and it still fires, that's accidental; if you do something wrong and that's why it fires, that's negligent
@@iaibandMalfunctions are accidental. However as long as you follow basic gun safety rules malfunctions should almost never hurt anyone.
Disregarding safety rules is what makes an accidental discharge negligent. You could have avoided it but didn't.
So you flipped the safety onto safe...and *that* caused the gun to fire? Like, just making sure I understand here; I'm not familiar with the design of any Makarov
@@matthewdemarey4762 It could be that a part was broken but stuck, and that moving the safety moved it out of the way.
I've had 1 negligent discharge in almost 40 years of shooting, and that was due to ignorance and unfamiliarity with the weapon. It was an 1897 Winchester shotgun, and for whatever reason, being 18 years old, I thought I could unload it by holding down the trigger by cycling it. It unloaded all right....the old fashioned way. Blew a nice hole in the wood paneling in my house. That's an attention-getter.
Takes a lot to admit an ND, but that’s why you have to break multiple rules at once like Pointing it at something you’re not willing to destroy WHILE pulling the trigger.
HKPSG1Shooter goddamn that's seriously a dumb move.
I've been hunting and shooting for 25 years and have never had a ND. Knock on wood three times.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065 Like I said, I was 18 when I did that. I definitely didn't suffer from being over-intelligent in those days, I did a lot of dumb shit, including blowing up a shotgun with homemade rounds. Eventually we get smarter....
I've had one negligent discharge, with a G3A3, on a range during a military guard qualification test.
Got my finger inside the trigger guard a fraction of a second too soon while I was raising the rifle for the "warning shot"
The bullet hit the dirt half way between me and the target stands instead of the designated warning shot blank square target.
I was offered to redo the test later that day, but I declined as I had too shaky nerves from it and redid it successfully at a later date.
I did indeed. And it made me more conscious about how other people are reckless with guns. In fact, just a little while ago I packed up my gear and left the gun range because some people showed up that clearly didn’t know how to safely handle firearms.
I was shooting with a bunch of family members one day on my home range. When it was my turn to shoot I fired my CZ 82 until the slide locked open. I then hit the slide release and returned the gun to my holster. Later that day when I started to reload, I found a live round in the chamber. Apparently the gun locked open with one round in the magazine. When I closed the slide it chambered that round. I had been walking around with a gun that I “ knew” was empty. No harm but it did shake me up.
Thank you... wisdom accepted.
What caused the slide to lock open when the mag wasn't empty? I've never seen that happen on my CZ-83.
Read up on gun safety please.
God damn.
@@DarkFilmDirector my sks does this sometimes. The mag is engaging the slide release, and the round just kinda floats there behind the chamber. Maybe they were using after market mags?
@@ebabdbgbbbebbluesman6115 It was the Factory mag that came with the gun. It had never done this before or since. Maybe I hadn't done a good enough job cleaning it.
"We had to correct the situation"
Yup that kid got smoked 🤣
Like a pack of Camels!
Rumor has it that he has retired, but his arms are still there pushing.
He's still climbing that mountain
Half right face. Front leaning rest position MOVE
Donkey Kick... IN CA-DENCE!
I've had a BB gun in my hands at 7 years old and knew the 5 rules. One thing I can be thankful for, is a dad that taught me a healthy fear and respect for firearms. Once you see what they can do later on in life, it just reinforces that respect. You are carrying around a death finger. That said, I have never had a negligent discharge in my whole life. I think the biggest thing that causes this, is simply not paying full attention to what you are doing with what's in your hands.
I bought my young ones BB guns so they could get their ND's over with them, I believe anyone who hasn't been through that shoxk could have one, and luck is a big factor if you near have. (I got a 9mm scratch on my concrete bathroom floor, typical "unload chamber" then mag. Safe as the 3 rules usually cover for the 1 your breaking, *btw* the "5th rule" is subjective (I've heard know your ammo, don't talk to anybody, ...... I'm interested in your 5th
(Four are
•always treat as if loaded
•keep finger off trigger til ready
•never point at anything not willing to shoot
•know your target and what lies beyond it))
The only one I’ve had was with a BB gun I left sitting for a year or two, picked it up and shot it at my mirror, came back and hit me just below the eye. Scared and hurt me so bad it got instilled twice.
I have had one negligent discharge and that was down the range. I was standing up from shooting prone and I still had my finger on the trigger. Rightfully got an earful from dad.
@@abstractapproach634For me, the fifth one would probably be to keep your firearm in good condition. You don’t want that sucker jamming on you when you REALLY need it!
I grew up in Boy Scouts with BB guns then 22s at a very young age. I think that made a huge difference and people that didn’t have similar upbringing make me very uncomfortable to be around with guns.
Paul - retired mil & LE weapons instructor here. A narc (an ‘I KNOW GUNS DAMMIT’ country boy) with a 1911 favored mexican carry (strong side kidney). During a bust, said 1911 was presented, off safe, and not fired. Said yokel replaced 1911 in waistband with: thumb safety still off, grip safety depressed, and finger inside trigger guard. Finger stopped on belt, 1911 continued into pants, motion of trigger relative to 1911 resulted in trigger/sear/hammer interfaces releasing hammer, which struck firing pin which lit off primer WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT’S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN in those circumstances.
Said dolt received bullet furrow down leg. He also initiated a lawsuit against Colt patent FA inc, which absurdity Colt promptly rewarded with an egregiously large monetary settlement.
I have ever since related this tale in my academy firearms classes - name and all. He has tried to bully me into at least changing his name, but I replied that ‘we only do that to protect the innocent!’
I enjoy your videos immensely, probably because you and I are of one mind on most of your material, and because your manner of presentation and mine are very similar. Must be the GI blood.
Sometimes they settle when they shouldn't, just because it is less costly than fighting it. Shame.
_"He has tried to bully me into at least changing his name, but I replied that ‘we only do that to protect the innocent!’"_
ahahahahahaha
People shouldn't be able to sue Companies for their own stupidity.
The negligent discharge at 10:38 almost cost my life, and my fathers life in 2017. My neighbor was hanging out with us in my garage while I was working on my project car when he decided to "field" strip his Glock. He pulled the mag, and engaged the slide release to pull the slide off and when he pulled the trigger it sent a round between my legs, off the concrete floor, through the passenger side front tire, and into the seat my father was sitting in just seconds before it happened. My neighbor served in the Army for 20 years, that shit can happen to anyone if you get too comfortable around firearms. My father still has a scar on his ankle from the copper jacket exploding when hitting the concrete floor.
So no mag but still one chambered that he forgot to clear first? Do you need to let the striker dry fire on a Glock to take off the slide? Wanna make sure I understand, that's a scary one!
@@H0mertax Yes, the way most people take apart a Glock is to slightly pull back the slide (usually not far enough to easily see a round in the chamber) while simultaneously pulling down the slide lock, then to release the slide and pull the trigger.
I never understood speed drills for field-stripping. It's just asking for an ND. There isn't really any situation in which you'd have to strip a gun that fast. It's not a race-haste makes mistakes
@@H0mertax Yes, you do. However, the weapon needs to have the magazine out of it in order for it to be stripped.
Many people don’t know how to properly strip the Glock. Even, Glock.
My process, to avoid the AD/ND situation, because nobody is doing it correctly.
With the barrel, in a SAFE DIRECTION:
Drop the magazine.
Clear the chamber.
Engage the slide, lock it open with the slide lock.
Engage the slide lock lever then unlock the slide.
You will here the weapon arm.
Squeeze the trigger, you’ll hear the firing pin release.
The slide is now unlocked from the frame and can come off by it’s own weight, so don’t damage the crown of your barrel.
It’s certainly a mans gun. Also, no safety is always hair raising.
Idc how many years he spent in the Army, that was totally a stupid thing to do. NEVER assume! That's completely part of your training. That was unacceptable. Dump the mag, pull the slide back at least twice (it doesn't matter if it literally has a round in the chamber or not), THEN field strip that weapon. And no, it's NOT EASIER said than done. Because I have a GLOCK 19 & 21, along with many other weapons. And I've never had a ND. Its free to pay attention. I don't even trust decockers tbh with you.
I know I'll probably get some hate for this, so save the hate comments for someone who gives a rip, but what you described with the 1911-platform "ND" actually happened to me 35+ years ago. I had a Parker Arms 1911-style pistol in 10mm, thought I heard someone trying to open my children's window (turned out to be the wind!) at 3AMish, rushed to investigate, and half-asleep, stumbling around, heart-rate cranking, trying to get my bearings straight, I racked the slide, and had an ND-ALL MY FAULT!!! Fortunately for us, I had the pistol pointed down and my kids were not hurt. They didn't EVEN stir with the blast and 10mm is LOUD!!! I thanked the Good Lord for small mercies and suffering fools-like ME. Lesson: If you should have to do the same, try to get your bearings straight BEFORE you go to investigate-if you have the time.
No hate, but it just goes to show that anyone with a gun in their home is far more likely to shoot themselves or a loved one than an intruder.
@@a.hollins8691 I think you're seriously underestimating the frequency of burglaries. Between 2008 and 2018 there were more than 20 million burglaries, compared to about 128 million households in the U.S. Over the course of 40 years, there's a fair likelihood that an attempted burglary may happen on your home. Now, some areas have more burglaries and some people get burglarized multiple times. But burglaries have also fallen almost 40% in the past ten years, likely due to improved security systems, and sadly, hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths reducing the number of potential burglars. A grown adult should be able to determine if they're responsible enough to avoid loading a firearm, chambering a round and cocking the hammer, putting the safety off, pointing the weapon at a loved one and squeezing the trigger.
G&K Ol' School I usually drink a cup of coffee before investigating any break ins! 😂 jk. Thank god you and your family are safe.
My answer is a revolver at the bedside, even though I own a couple of semi-auto pistols. The manual of arms is much less complicated for a big Smith than for a pistol. And I have a free hand for my powerful Strreamlight flashlight. Thanks for sharing.
@@a.hollins8691 A single anecdote doesn't "go to show" anything.
The revolver thing got me. My brain then caught up and figured it out just before you started to explain it, but I can definitely see how that would catch the inexperienced completely off guard.
Thanks for this! I also treat my Ruger's "chamber indicator" as a filthy liar for empty >_> I want to pull the slide and see through the entire weapon or it isn't empty...
I was caught up in the excitement of the rabbit hunt for a second as well.
-- My NG story: Was probably around 8 years old when a friend showed me his dad's 1911. We were passing the gun the mag and a few loose bullets back and forth. He'd load the mag, I'd unload it, pass it back. Well I'm sure you can see where this is going, by passing the mag, gun and bullets around at different times, a round found its way into the chamber. But I did know a little about firearms safety at the time. Sure the gun was empty, before pressing the trigger, I pointed the gun down and away/behind me/us. Well of course I THOUGHT I know about safety. I discharged the firearm into a concrete floor. The bullet then bounced off the concrete wall and went through the ceiling into my friends bed mattress upstairs. I fired the gun aiming down and behind me, but the bullet hole in the ceiling was in front of me, which meant that .45 came back and passed me on the way up. Long story short, I came a few inches shy of blowing my own head off.
😱😱
@@rifleshooterchannel208 Seems plausible to me. Bullets, particularly slow-ish ones like .45s, can do some pretty goofy things
Rifle Shooter Channel I agree that most of time bullets don’t do super crazy stuff.
But they can. I assure you.
I worked as a paramedic in Stockton, CA and I was on many scenes where bullets did weird stuff. One guy was shot point blank into his mouth and the bullet became lodged near his elbow. (No joke that really happened)
At the time when we arrived, we had no idea where the bullet ended up as he only had visible trauma on his mouth. It was the next day when speaking with the RN’s and docs at the hospital did we learn where the bullet was due to the x-ray.
Maybe that’s different in some way from the OP’s story but I believe it.
HEADSH.. wait.
BS
I don't even own a gun, but I love this guy.
I would say I only bought a gun after watching many of Paul's videos - sober but not somber presentation of material.
me too ryan, me too.
I live in a country where civilians can't own firearms and I still love this guy.
I wonder if I can even buy one, haven’t even tried since I don’t have the necesery identifications
He is like the lockpicking lawyer, but with guns. Don't even have to like the subject to enjoy the presentation.
Former friend of mine had a negligent discharge with his bolt action 22 in my garage a couple years back... manually cycled the bolt with his finger on the trigger while the magazine had rounds in it. Bullet went through a florescent light bulb, through the metal light fixture, through the foam board, through the plywood, through the tar paper, through the shingles and kept going. Set the rifle down, said "I think I want to take some time away from guns" and left it there. Never offered to fix the damages. Now go back and read the first two words of my comment. "Former friend".
In you’re garage? Isn’t it a felony to fire a round in city limits?
I had a former friend who wanted to teach me how to rack the slide of my 1911A1 by putting the slide up against the edge of my wife's marble coffee table and shoved downwards. It took a large chip out of the edge of the table and BROKE half of the rear sight off of my 1911A1. "FORMER friend" also. Live and learn...
At least you gained a rifle.
@@davidledesma209 not in the United States. That would make it a felony to defend yourself and has been ruled to be a violation of the second amendment.
Francisco d'Anconia People go to jail for killing someone in there own property so I guess it’s not allowed
Ill give you one, I prevented a negligent discharge a few months back.
I work in a small mom&pop bass proshop type store. One day a customer walks in with an Remington 7400, wanted me to boresight it. I'm standing at the cash register, guy lays the case on counter and opens it. Gun was locked, mag was out and empty. I grab the rifle and rack the bolt once; nothing happens. I then VISUALLY INSPECT THE CHAMBER and there it was; one live round in the chamber staring at me. I tell the guy '' WTF there's a live round in there'' the guy went '' Are you serious?'' I rack the bolt again and still nothing. I let the bolt go forward and gave it a tap then cock it back, and on the floor went a nice vortex 30-06 plastic tip round.
I work in a store surrounded by firearms and ammo. I know each and every gun on my rack, I still ALWAYS VISUALLY INSPECT each chamber when I take one off the rack. Its second nature to me.
This video should be mandatory viewing as part of any firearms safety class.
Great video Mr. Harrell. I had a negligent discharge happen in my house with a single shot 20 gauge when I was 13 years old. I made many of the mistakes you illustrate, and fortunately, nobody was hurt. I regret the negligent discharge to this day and thank the good LORD nobody in my house was hurt. The one good thing to come from the event is it made me HYPER aware of gun handling of not only myself, but of anybody that I am around. I know some of my buddies have gotten aggravated at me because I chewed on them because of mistakes they made in my presence, but I'll take the grief I get from them. I just have to tell them my story, and they understand why I am so serious about it. I am almost 50 now, and to this day, every time I pick up a gun, I always think back to that event.
in the army, when coming back from patrol or guard duty, the process was: remove the mag, pull the slide back 2 times, aim at a designated safe direction and pull the trigger once. the point of the process was to triple check that the gun was empty. by pulling the slide 2 times, even if you forgot to take out the mag, you would see a round coming out of the chamber and it would remind you that the mag is still in and if by any chance you still ended up having a round in the chamber, by pointing at the direction of the firing range and pulling the trigger the gun would fire at a location where there was nobody to be hit. and of course if you managed to fire a round that way you were in for an earful the next day... to put it mildly. fortunately it never happened to anyone while i was there but i heard stories from other places. worst situation in our camp was a couple of guys who were supposed to come back from leave on saturday morning and decided to take the weekend off and came back monday... and the colonel's voice could be heard from miles as he was "explaining" to them the difference between saturday and monday before sentencing them to 20 days of double shift guard duty and toilet cleaning because, as he put it, it was too much paperwork to send them to HQ with a charge of desertion.
I've personally seen the same kind of procedure happening and resulting in a NG.
When he says "we had to correct the situation"
Somthing tells me it wasn't a pleasant conversation
HA!!! I was thinking the same thing.
When you do something that could potentially get someone killed, they deal with it very thoroughly.
Being shot at by the enemy is enough without having to worry about getting shot by the guy next to you.
@@AnasatisTiMiniatis oh I agree was just making note that I love that the tone in that voice says alot
God. The idea of getting 'corrected' by Paul Harrel is - not gonna lie - a little terrifying.
Guilty of the "out of sequence" ND. Got home, went to unload my EDC, got out of sequence, and rather than check the chamber, I pulled the trigger. The round went into the door of my gun safe, creased the heel of my 92FS, but any splatter was absorbed by the pegboard on the door. Yes, live and learn. Thanks for all your great videos and information Paul.
It happens to the best of us, stay safe!
Crazy how that sort of thing is "live and learn" but is only a couple degrees away from "die and teach".
"Never point a gun at anyone or anything you don't want to shoot" and "assume all guns are loaded" both go a long way.
The most dangerous gun is one that is unloaded.
Some of the best advice I still use from bootcamp. 🇺🇲
Those 'rules' are overly simplified and therefore not rules. Your guns spend the vast majority of their time pointed at things you don't want to shoot and there are times you must treat your gun as if it's not loaded.
@@DonziGT230 true. But the rules of firearms work together. As Paul said negligent discharges are usually a failure to follow several of the rules.
I have found that checking to make sure that a gun is unloaded every time is a good habbit even if I just saw someine check it. Because then it I just becomes second nature.
Not pointing it flagging people with my firearm whether I know it's empty not not. Is just good practice. For one they might not know it unloaded. It's also less likely to be pointed in an unsafe direction if there is a problem
Finally having you finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire is just good practice. If your not on the trigger and have a well maintained gun then the chance of the trigger being pulled by accident is a minute.
The whole thing is makeing rules that don't change and building safe habits.
It's when you become too comfortable that we are more likely to make mistakes.
Clearanceman2 amen
Most issues relating to safety within any activity usually occur from a chain of events. This is a major idea within aviation as well and being taught to break that chain of events is incredibly important to mitigate risk. Thank you for the great video and making me realize that most hazards are caused due to a chain of bad decisions. I know this is a video specifically about negligent discharge but hearing about the idea of the "accident chain" outside of the only field I've experienced it in was eye opening to me. Have a good day!
Thank you for this video Paul. All humor aside, my beloved Father (R.I.P.) who had very carefully, lovingly and attentively taught me every little tiny detail about responsible and SAFE use of firearms from the time I was a very young boy, bought me my first .20GA for my 10th birthday (which I had earned by proving my worthiness through months of spotless hands on performance and know-how of each and every weapon he trained me to handle) suffered a negligent discharge one day by breaking the cardinal rule of never carrying a cocked and loaded revolver in his holster. It was fortunately only a .22LR, but nonetheless was a nasty, and painful lesson learned. He drew it from his holster to kill a rattlesnake that was on our property, and as he did...he misstepped. It shot through the top of his foot which was was evidently on a rock...the projectile splashed back up into his foot in the worst way. (don't believe a .22LR is a wuss weapon, folks!) my Dad spent about a month with a glass fenestrated tube through his foot after the surgery and each day the wick style gauze had to be pulled out, and a NEW one put in...TWICE a day...not very pleasant. It was also not pleasant that time when he was in the bathroom about to take a leak with the door askew, and I didn't know he was in there...I pushed the door open and it raked over the top of his foot!!! --OH YEAH he might've been crippled BUT he could still chase my ass! -I don't think I ever ran so fast ha ha ha ha! -We always shared a good laugh over that, but the truth is it could've been much much worse, or even a fatal accident. I sure loved him and I miss him very much, I've never had a single mishap to this day thanks to his training (and learning through his mistake!) and I don't plan to have any mishaps any time soon either. We never DO plan for them, but if we're taking all the safety precautions we reduce the likelihood of accidents to almost zero. That also reduces the likelihood of giving guns even MORE of a bad name to zero. So, EDUCATE your kids about negligent discharge folks!!! --BUT remember they'll learn without you doing it by example :)
My negligent discharge story:
"So anyway I started blastin'..."
I have a friend that accidentally shot his mattress -- twice --- he also shot out the bathroom mirror, told his wife he did it hanging a picture ... I told him he should not own a gun.....
Keith Gray,
"... should not own a gun ..."
... nor have children.
The first time a person negligently discharges, its a negligent discharge. The second time onwards its negligent altogether
I shot my mattress the other day...
Oh yeah, well I shot the sheriff... But I did *NOT* shoot the deputy. 😎
Keith Gray that guy def needs to own a gun, and you need to record him.
I have never fired, held, or even seen a gun in real life, yet I learned so much from this video.
I don't know why so many gun videos are showing up in my Suggested Vidoes, but I do appreciate learning about safety and how these accidents can happen! Stay safe!
Everybody should understand firearms. I know them inside and out, have since I was a child. They’re scary. That’s why they work! However they’re not like in the movies. Neither are bullets.
@@H33t3Speaksdisagree some people don't need the knowledge
@@thelemon5069that's how you get negligent discharges
@@thelemon5069thats how things like this happen
The concept of something being unsafe until proven safe is a useful one in other contexts, such as using power tools. I have never held a gun but I still always think of checking the magazine when I check that something is unplugged before adjusting it
I've got an ND from my armored truck days.
Our in- house instructor asked every crew doing rtb to take out their pistols, unload, disassemble and show him the condition of the firearm. A guy called Cliff saunters up all cool, pops the slide then catches the round in one motion, drops the Mag onto the table and then pulls the trigger. BOOOM, the bullet goes into the table. The instructor then explodes "Cliff, what the f----!?"
Guy behind him says, "Hey Cliff, you may wanna drop your magazine FIRST before jacking the round out and catching it."
No one was hurt, everyone was laughing at him mercilessly, and Cliff about crawled into the floor drain.
Is your name Cliff by any chance? ;-)
At least he had it pointed in a ‘safe’ direction.
@@elund408 I always cleared my gun at the sand barrel. Like a square, I always followed procedure.
why do they call him Cliff?
sounds fake :P
My man!! Dont you ever stop making videos, you’re by far the best source of solid gun info on the internet
My negligent discharge happened when I just got done cleaning and reloading my guns. I was using a rag to clean some of the excess oil off my single action revolver. As I walked to put the rag away my pump shotgun was sitting barrel down on the couch. Not thinking I reached down wiping some of the excess oil around the trigger guard and everything went quiet. When my ears slowly began to finally ring is when I realized what happened. Thankfully I was alone at the time and nobody got hurt. I kept the couch for about about a year with a giant hole in the seat to remind myself to never think you're above an accident no matter how knowledgeable you are about firearms. 4 big factors played into my negligent discharge.
1: I didn't have the safety engaged on my shotgun.
2: In my head I was thinking of firearms as single action
3: I was messing around the trigger of a loaded firearm.
4: Overly confident in my familiarity of firearms
Paul, in all your years of using, cleaning and training with firearms. Have you ever had a negligent discharge?
I've owned firearms for over a decade. Since I've only lived in apartments, I'm super ocd about verifying empty chamber before doing anything to them. My negligence will never just affect me or my own property.
Derrrr, not to smart.
@@dbelex Nope, stupidest thing I've ever done
@@A407RAC Yeah, it's not fun. I wore loose fitting earplugs for about a week afterwards . My ears were so sensitive after it happened that certain sounds hurt me.
Paul knows from experience that many auto loaders have a 1 in 1000 chance of discharge by just chambering a round. That's why we always expect it to happen and do our due diligence when chambering auto loaders.
A few weeks ago, I came home from running some errands and I unloaded my carry pistol as I do when I enter my place of residence. I pulled the mag out and unchambered the round. Usually, I just let the round fall on the table and then pick it up, but when I ejected the round, it flipped up in the air and fell back into the chamber as it closed. This didn't lead to a negligent discharge because I saw it happen, but I thought I would share the anecdote as to make sure you always double check your chamber.
That’s like 1 in a million, sir
I don't think I could do that if I tried.
@@lambdafn1776 haha yeah same
Cycle twice never cry once.
@@firewing1319 what does that mean?
"One of the causes of a negligent discharge is a negligent discharge ." I've heard of similiar things happening on table saws.
When emptying a firearm always repeat the procedure. It's simply a good practice.
One of the procedures my grandfather and I had when hunting is, we would clear all the weapons before getting in a vehicle or putting them away, even if we already cleared them. The redundancy was meant to catch any mistakes.
@@AnasatisTiMiniatis Smart guy.
"We had to correct the situation" *shudder*
That's when you end up spending some quality time sweeping the sand out of the desert.
@@MoltenMouseMetal "Go mop the motorpool, in the rain."
Someone got Smoked
latrine duty........
Reminds me of The Shining lmao “I corrected her, Mr. Torrence”
The way I was trained, you remove the mag and then cycle the action three times. You expect one round to come out, so if you ever see a second round, you know you pulled a bonehead move and didn't ACTUALLY pull the mag out.
and if you see one come out the third time, well then you have some weird magazine malfunction. lol
@@SpaceMissile that just got me thinking of some slinky magazine hanging out of the bottom of the mag well...lmao
Or a double feed with a 22.
I wonder how many lives he has saved with this video.
As someone with only moderate experience with firearms, I found this video extremely helpful in identifying other areas I should be mindful of when dealing with certain firearms. For example, indexing the revolver intentionally/unintentionally in the same load. This is an excellent safety video, delivered in a very straightforward yet also mildly humorous way. It kept me engaged the entire video. I bet the troops taking your classes really enjoy your instruction. Thank you for your service, and also this safety video!
Dear Paul;
I love that you rarely attempt campy or cheesy humor and that you're very succinct and fact based in your videos but you had me laughing my ass off right in the beginning of this one. Good show sir.
He's definitely of the dry humor variety. Like Atacama Desert levels of humidity.
I've only had one negligent discharge. When I was 14 with my dad's Marlin model 60. Emptied the tube, ejected the chambered round, but i forgot the marlin you need to manipulate the charging handle an extra time since it has one "in queue" that doesn't come out with the rest of the tubed rounds. Luckily it was pointed downrange, I dropped the hammer to pack up and it went off, I was so embarrassed since we were with some of my dad's colleagues.
Failure To Fire I have one. Paul did a video on the model 60 issues. Cool gun, but highly problematic design. Playing with the tube near the muzzle isn’t much fun either.
That’s interesting I have a Marlin 795 same gun just mag fed so I wouldn’t have thought about that problem with the tube fed
I imagine the hidden bullet trick works with all tube fed guns, the cartridge in the on deck circle stays in even when the magazine is opened up and the rest are cleared out.
That's the reason why as a beginner one of my trainers showed me to work the feeding mechanism of the "empty" gun several times before taking it away.
Holy crap! I have a model 60... and didn't know that! Thanks.
I had never been to this channel before and was pleasantly surprised. Paul does a great job of going through the what could happen and how to be cognizant of why those things happen. Every gun owner should watch this and it should be mandatory for new owners. Thanks for the video
So, when I was doing armed security many years ago, we had a guy that called in that he was in the hospital. What he did was clean his gun. He verified the chamber was clear, with the magazine in, closed it, pulled the magazine, and then fired the round he chambered in to his foot. We called him Leadfoot after that.
"He verified the chamber was clear" Well he clearly didn't do a good job
That's unbelievably common.
That infamous DEA agent (caught on video shooting himself in the leg while lecturing kids on the dangers of firearms) did the same thing with his Glock.
I had a co-worker shoot himself in the leg by doing cowboy pistolero twirling with a loaded Beretta. This was while he was at home entertaining his girlfriend.
Edward Burton He just wanted to clear it a second time. If it’s in his foot, it’s not in the chamber. Very thorough.
There was a guy streaming on Twitch.TV the other week who did that Glock thing, he was half drunk, was showing off, pulled the slide back to empty the chamber WITH the mag still in and accidentally shot his wall. He got dropped from his org and was banned real quick.
Desk pop!
I was watching a british military historian on his first with a live gun nobody taught him to only pull when you want to shoot (he was used to the high pound revolver triggers) he actually pre pulled the trigger before he shot when he got his hands on a modern pistol i had the fear of god for everyone around him he learned fast but thankfully didnt shoot anyone
First mistake alcohol+ firearms.
"I UNLOADED THE MAAAA-"
Not only was he a twit for messing up the order, but why on earth was he pulling a gun to begin with?
Always good to see a video posted on reiterating safety and firearm’s knowledge! Keep up the great work!
Happy Lunar New Years everyone!
Getting the sequence right and knowing your weapon intimately is so important. When I went through training in the Swedish Army we practised all the types of handling of our weapon for almost a week with dummy rounds before being allowed on the shooting range. We took both theoretical and practical tests having to show instructors that we fundamentally understood how our weapon works. This way it is pretty much impossible to get the sequence wrong. To someone who has had this kind of training, watching your examples of negligent dischargers almost seem hilarious and strange. As if that basically couldn't happen. But that's because I have been trained in a way where all these things are second nature + having been drilled on the four basic rules of firearms use.
1. Never assume that a weapon is unloaded, don't trust someone who says it is when handed a weapon.
2. Never point your weapon at something you do not wish to destroy.
3. Keep your fingers away from the trigger until you are actually supposed to shoot.
4. Never shoot something you are unsure about. Always identify your target, and the risks of your current bullet trajectory (what's in between you and the target, and what's behind the target?).
During my 9 months training, we had one negligent discharge on the shooting range, the first field week. A recruit did actually get the sequence wrong, removed the round in the chamber, and accidentally released the mechanism forward to load another round, then removed the magazine. Then fired. The reason came out that the recruit did subconsciously feel that something wasn't right, but was in a stressful situation and didn't want to "bother anyone". The instructors had a talk with her and the entire platoon and basically explained that safety is number one. If we are doing a live-fire exercise, and you feel something is wrong, safety is still number one. Even though we are in the heat of the moment, you should never be afraid to basically stand up, call an officer and explain what you feel or have seen. Because of this, we are trained from the beginning that any soldier can at any point in time call out a fire ban to everyone around them. Just scream the command and your fellow recruits will have to stop shooting. Then you can calmly and without any blame put on anybody, assess the situation and correct whatever may be wrong (positioning, fire angles etc).
+ a weapon safety story of my own. We had a live-fire exercise. Then we had to move from one position to another, a couple km's away. When I got there, I laid down to rest as we got a few minutes before the next things were starting. I looked down at my firearm and saw that the safety was off, somehow it had gone from safe to semi-auto during that sprint. I had been basically running around for I don't know how long with an unsafe weapon and loaded magazine. But I had never mantled the rifle, so the chamber was empty. That was scary.
Problems of negligent discharge are ones of either having the wrong mindset, not being trained well enough, or a combination of both.