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It would be awesome if they can add an attribute enhance System to a fighting game like a GEM for super jump, Fast Dash, fast recovery, etc. Anything that doesn't changes the frame Data of strike moves
I know I'm a casual player, but I think one of my favorite fighting games ever was Soul Caliber 3. It had a whole other game in it where you could build an army for campaigns almost like a Fire Emblem. It feels like new fighting games never have fun stuff like that anymore. It would be cool if you did a podcast talking about the best features, side content, etc you've seen in fighting games.
@@TheNeoLoneWolf funny enough, the next episode of TKO seems to be focused on single-player content. but VesperArcade recently posted a video that also nails what you're talking about. it's called "WHY AREN'T FIGHTING GAMES FUN? How To Grow Our Player Base" -- I'd recommend watching it, as it has a lot of great ideas that draw from older fighters w/those fun modes.
Easily your best episode. You guys are really hitting your stride. The chemistry among the three of you was really palpable here and the nature of the topic allowed for great conversation. It would be cool to see an episode discussing your memories of arcades growing up. You touched on it a little bit here, but it would be really fun to hear you deviate a little from fighting games to talk about the general arcade experience and playing those “top floor” games.
Justin is really starting to shine on the podcast, love to see it! His and Matt's sponsored section was easily the best advertising I've ever seen in any media given how authentic and light hearted it felt. Already adored Max and Matt's work, now Justin is definetely up there in regards to fighting game community creators. Best episode so far, please keep 'em coming! As a side note, if you ever consider guests for this podcast, perhaps jmcrofts? Liked his videos with Justin, would be cool to see him interacting with the rest of the cast.
I can't believe Max forgot about Fight of Gods or Fight of Animals. Those are great examples of modern poverty fighting games. Jank as hell, but sick as fuck!
I remember when Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid was considered poverty. It has grown so much since its initial release that I don't know if it still counts as such.
I played BftG on release for quite a while and that game was NEVER considered poverty. Niche? Maybe. A cheaper MvC? Sure. Poverty? No, I disagree with you 1000%
Rage Of the Dragons actually has a fun little story relating to King Of Fighters. What happened was Brezzasoft, which was essentially SNK after OG SNK went bankrupt, approached mexican studio Evoga to make a fighting game, namely Rage Of The Dragons, and while there the people of Brezzasoft challenged Evoga to a match of KOF98. Should Brezzasoft win, they get to design a character for Rage Of The Dragons and Evoga had to pay them $5000, should Evoga win they get to request a character for KOF 2001. What resulted was basically Evoga kicking Brezzasofts ass and Evoga then going "we want a hot mexican girl fighter with big tiddies." And that's how Angel came to be.
I went to Chinatown Fair once in 2010 and played on the very same Rumble Fish 2 cab Justin mentioned. I'm happy that he was responsible for that game being there in the first place.
Saw rumble fish 2 for the 1st time at a Pennsylvania con called Too many games. I played it for 10 minutes and didn't understand anything, but am VERY excited to go back and try it for another 10 mins next year!
Its not Mugen, its another engine that the creator Kamekaze specialized into because he said its better than Mugen. TMNT x Justice League its like the King of Poverty Games, its freaking amazing. I also downloaded Sailor Moon S but theres a fan made version wich adds secret characters, more modes and rebalancing and I put it into my snes mini , amazing stuff . I also want to salute master Wong lol.
My absolute No1 fave 'poverty fighting game' series is Tobal. I was one of the few, locally, who'd heard of it and, simply put, I really enjoyed it. Then of course we have (imo) the incredible Tobal 2 with the quest mode, grapple system, innovative use of HML attacks per button, wild combo system, costume colour customisation (RGB sliders per garment), incredible soundtrack, beautiful full 3D visuals that smashed along at 60fps and, for me, created the concept of full 3D combat movement with up/down leading to the foreground/background respectively (was Soul Calibur the next game to use this? Certainly Tekken and VF didn't adopt it until the 4 iterations of each series). *Sigh* one of the greatest 3D fighters that just never was unfortunately. Now, lemme just grab my LCD laptop real quick and stoke the fire barrel...
@MattMcMuscles thank you for introducing me to Dino Rex!!!! This is so wild to see early 90s Taito throwing out all their stops to make a B-movie dinosaur fighter. Why did they layer such a deep plot into this?? Why are the Bonus Stages more fun than the actual matches? This is so wild. Loved the episode! Thanks for the Skullgirls shout out lol Proud to have SG on a similar standing to Melty as poverty kings 🥰
I'm hoping that one of the future episodes of TKO will be about fighters for the Sega Saturn and NeoGeo that either don't know about or are exclusive to Japan. Like Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Fight, Sonic Council, Groove On Fight, Astra Superstars etc. There are so many fighters for the two systems that a lot of people don't know and I'd love to see if the three boys know anything about them
Very surprised to not hear Tattoo Assassins from you guys! My buddies and I used to have bad fighting game tournaments that included Bloodstorm, Time Killers, Survival Arts, etc. and Tattoo Assassins used to be the final game. Such a bad, janky, fun game!
After hearing Melty Blood being mentioned, I thought of Arcana Heart, a buddy of mine is obsessed with it but it strikes me as a very poverty type fighting game...
Arcana Heart is basically the DOA of anime fighters afaik The game is fun as hell and has a lot of depth, but you'll have to fight to beat the allegations
Mentioned but my favourite has got to be Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, remember seeing the digitised sprites for the 1st time and thinking it was a what if Jackie Chan was in MK. As for modern games considered poverty fighters I would go to Fight of Gods and Nick All-Star Brawl.
Time Killers and Eternal Champions were probably my 2 favorite poverty games growing up. Time Killers is probably number 1 and I literally NEVER hear anyone mention it. That game was fun as hell lol.
I literally came here to mention both of these. I had a Sega CD growing up and my Dad was really annoyed at me for not getting the Star Wars game for my birthday instead of Eternal Champions as game of choice. I played so much of that game for the next six months along with Sewer Shark. Time Killers was the second fighting game I ever played (Karate Champ was first). I went to one of those Go Kart/Pool Hall/Arcade places from the early 90's and that game has a special place in my heart even though it took the very little cash I had super fast.
My personal poverty FG is Gundam Battle Assault 2. I just have one other friend who loves that game. I also like playing SVC Chaos and Neo Geo Battle Coliseum. Also I don’t know if it’s poverty, but I love Project Justice and I constantly boot it up whenever I play Dreamcast.
I'm so happy they brought up Melty Blood towards the end lol. I literally joined in the countdown and totally wasn't expecting us to be on the same wave length.
I remember owning Tao Feng: Fist Of The Lotus, the Genesis version of TMNT: Tournament Fighters (which I thought was trash compared to the SNES version), the Power Ranger SNES fighting game, KI1 & KI Gold. A few of my cousins had Virtua Fighter 1, Tekken 3, & even Primal Rage. Man, those were the days for me in terms of this topic. I kinda regret giving away Tao Feng back then. I'm still looking for a good copy to this day.
They met because they were both contracted to make the same game without knowledge of the other version. Their booths were right next to each other at an industry event; I don't remember if it was E3 or CES.
I'm glad Battle Monsters got a mention. Also I like Battle Arena Toshinden. I only first played it 10 or so years ago and, yes, it's super slow and janky... but fun. I loved Duke's Southern Cross partially due to how slow it was... and the full version... can that even fully hit anyone? And I agree, has some great music. As for my favorite Poverty games... Battle Monsters and Asuka 120%. Skullgirls was also mentioned but I don't consider it poverty enough.
27:59 I love Rage of the Dragons. If there is one thing from that game that should be imported to modern KOFs, it's that they had both the neutral dodge from KOFs 94/95 as 5AB and the roll from 96 onward as 4AB or 6AB.
One that I enjoy that I don't know counts as a poverty game is Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm. It's pretty interesting because it takes some cool stuff like Third Strike-style parries and a mix of kind of KOF/SNK style gameplay and older Capcom gameplay. Also, Max is featured in that game as a selectable commentator in that game. Also, I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X-Men Mutant Academy and Next Dimension games.
Just gonna list out some of my poverty games here (sorry if one or more arent poverty exactly): -Akatsuki Blitzkampf -Variable Geo -Savage Reign -Ninja Masters -Golden Axe: The Duel -Ragnagard -Kabuki Klash -Astra Superstars -Aggressors of Dark Kombat -Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer -Kizuna Encounter -World Heroes 2 -Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors -Rage of Dragons -Groove on Fight -The Rumble Fish -Inuyasha a Feudal Fairly Tail -Zero Divide -Real Robots Final Attack -Gundam Battle Assault 2 -Armed Fighter -Vs. -Psychic Force -Vanguard Princess -Big Bang Beat yeah its a reaaaaally huge list but those are some of the ones i played over the years or some that i come back from time to time.
Eternal Champions was my childhood fighting game, and to this day, I consider Xavier to be one of the coolest characters I've ever encountered in a fighting game.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Fight of Gods and Fight of Animals, those games are true jank poverty gems. Thank you guys for putting out bangers over and over, see you in the basement for the Dong Dong nationals
One of my dreams is to run a tournament of all the “poverty” fighting games I own. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1, Castlevania Judgment, Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (vanilla, Ignition has a scene), Godzilla Unleashed, JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle, Kill la Kill IF, Sonic the Fighters, and the main stage event, Arm Joe.
I love that Melty Blood was mentioned mostly because I'm part of the community of that game, but if i have to choose my favorite poverty fighter it's gonna be Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku.
Almost makes too much sense. Sailor Moon Crystal was a thing not too long ago. You'd think they'd make a game just to ride that wave of relevance. However they should go with the Classic Anime style charm for the gane.
Roughly 15 years ago? I always thought poverty fighting games meant we couldn't afford to buy games for various reasons and so we'd pirate Comiket fighting games to play. Main examples being EFZ, MBR, BBB, IaMP, SWR, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, and CRUCIS FATAL+FAKE to name a few. And some genius coders would write up some netplay executables just so we could versus online, such as mbcaster--which was derived from IaMP's caster. If you know all the games I abbreviated, then kudos. MB series eventually exploded to have MBAC on PS2, arcades, and a PC port (2007) that wasn't just sold at Comiket. Akatsuki Blitzkampf somehow managed to get an arcade port. mbcaster was for Melty Blood Act Cadenza PC port IaMP's caster had rollback netcode added some time after mbcaster's creation EFZ - Eternal Fighter Zero MBR - Melty Blood Re-ACT BBB - Big Bang Beat IaMP - Immaterial and Missing Power SWR - Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
The Double Dragon Neo Geo fighter was actually in Little Tokyo(J-Town) Los Angeles back in the day. I remember playing it mostly because it could be an hour wait for Virtua Fighter, MK, or SF to open up some weekends.
A poverty fighter games list/discussion would not be complete without mentioning TMNT Tournament fighter. Sick Music, awesome visuals, and a surprising amount of tournaments for tournament fighter.
Great and interesting topic! I'm with Justin, my favorite poverty game is Rage of the Dragons for the Neo Geo, I highly recommend it to anyone that loves fighting games.
Shoutouts to Colorful Fighters. The most poverty of Arcsys' fighters that they gave no online to or separated it from the weird Subspace megaman game they attatched it to
I adore poverty fighters or just any kind of out of the way or weird fighting game. Maximum Impact, Karnov, Dengeki Bunko, Nitroplus. I love when really dedicated scenes pop around these janky games and really turn up the hype for them, it's just so special
Would Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring count as poverty? I remember trying my damnedest to get my friends to play on PS1 purely because I thought Cloud and the other FF7 characters being there was the coolest thing ever haha
I would second this! I played it late like 10+ years after, bc I was trying to catch up on PS1 Final Fantasies and Ehrgeiz caught my eye and I was like wow damn ok nevermind 😂 Dissidia came such a long way in comparison!
One of my favorite poverty fighting games is King of Fighters 2006/ Maximum Impact 2. That game is so broken and janky and had a lot of content. Just get a few friends with some snacks and it was good time even if it wasn't up the standards of the main series.
I think there IS control stick fighting, Matt, it was Buriki One and and is a strong contender for poverty because of the Neo Geo 64 rarity. And I have fond memories of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting game, but it is 100% poverty.
I remember the first Evo Japan having a fairly big side tournament for one of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting games. There's definitely a community for that game over there, both that and the other SNES Ranma fighting game that did get an English translated version back in the day.
I wished you guys had talked about the rage of the dragons development history because snk lost a bet against the devs of that game, which lead to Angel's creation
43:18 - The reason why we never got a port of Fighters Megamix was because during that era. Sega was doing a collection of Sega Model 2 arcade ports with online support. Japan got two additional games that we never received over in the west. Which were Virtua Striker and Virtual-On. Fighters Megamix was a Saturn only game and they were not focusing on Saturn ports at the time. Would still be nice to get a port of it on modern consoles though.
Both Justice Leagues were made by Blizzard. Condor is Blizzard North. They're the ones who made Diablo. Justice League is how the two companies met, which eventually led to Blizzard acquiring Condor.
Funnily enough Condor pitched the idea of Diablo to Blizzard thanks to the Justice League ports connection. Condor ended up being Blizzard North and they are the team behind Diablo.
Another awesome episode! I couldn't listen in yesterday and I felt empty, now I'm whole again! Jejejeje I got to say, my poverty game I think it is Psychic Force, probably nobody remembers it and for good reason, it was so bad but so good. More than anything I loved the intro theme and the main characters Burn and Keith.
Really cool episode here and loving the references to Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers 1 & 2 and Last Bronx. Used to play the crap out of those. Don't know if you could make a whole episode out of this, but maybe you guy could do a topic on fighting games BEFORE Street Fighter II? That would be a great history lesson to many!
Having played a lot of obscure Neo Geo Fighting games in the early 00's ( Dank-box based cabinets were all the rage across Latin America), two of my favorites were Breaker's Revenge and Waku Waku 7. Outside of Neo Geo, a particular one I remember is Big Bang Beat, which was a doujin game based off an eroge (a la Melty Blood). The menus and interface had this peculiar Mugen stank to it, but the character designs and sprite animation were really nice to look at. Mechanics-wise it was really fun, but unfortunately broken as hell, as you had a really quickly filling super bar that could be used to do a dash cancel and lead to really degenerate combos.
I'm glad you guys mentioned Rage of Dragons, I had never played it, it's great! The in game character splash is gorgeous!! Would you consider Chaos Code a poverty game? There is still a great community on Discord playing it. Should be a sequel soon.
Oh my God. My local arcade had Rumble Fish 1 and Rumble Fish 2. I remember it's little selling point where you could see your character getting more and more beat up as the match went on. I played that game and had a lot of fun. It's been a kick in the head trying to track down a copy of it to import or even emulate.
Aw, I'm sad now. I actually had the idea to do a tournament called Devo if the plague ever ends. Even got so far as picking out games. Was gonna be Primal Rage 2, Masters of Teräs Käsi, War Gods, Kakuto Chojin Capture the Crown mode, and just to have one good game no one knows how to play, Weapon Lord.
I wish they mentioned Guilty Gear a little more, Guilty Gear XX has my favourite character specific intro. Order Sol V Slayer. When that bassline of Slayers theme plays as they attack each other was the coolest thing ever!🤩
On the comment of 3D fighting games keeping you on the ground for so long, it's interesting that even modern hack and slash games (it actually started on Kingdom Hearts 2 what what I remember), never leave your character on the ground, they usually do some anime fall recovery pose and are ready to go.
What was that Fighting game that released only in Japan and Max was playing it with the Doods? One of the character had a Vacuum cleaner, that game looks super Fun
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It would be awesome if they can add an attribute enhance System to a fighting game like a GEM for super jump, Fast Dash, fast recovery, etc. Anything that doesn't changes the frame Data of strike moves
I know I'm a casual player, but I think one of my favorite fighting games ever was Soul Caliber 3. It had a whole other game in it where you could build an army for campaigns almost like a Fire Emblem. It feels like new fighting games never have fun stuff like that anymore. It would be cool if you did a podcast talking about the best features, side content, etc you've seen in fighting games.
@@TheNeoLoneWolf funny enough, the next episode of TKO seems to be focused on single-player content. but VesperArcade recently posted a video that also nails what you're talking about. it's called "WHY AREN'T FIGHTING GAMES FUN? How To Grow Our Player Base" -- I'd recommend watching it, as it has a lot of great ideas that draw from older fighters w/those fun modes.
I would totally watch a three way stream of Matt, Justin, and Max playing poverty games. Sounds like it would be a blast.
Big yes
Easily your best episode. You guys are really hitting your stride. The chemistry among the three of you was really palpable here and the nature of the topic allowed for great conversation. It would be cool to see an episode discussing your memories of arcades growing up. You touched on it a little bit here, but it would be really fun to hear you deviate a little from fighting games to talk about the general arcade experience and playing those “top floor” games.
Justin is really starting to shine on the podcast, love to see it! His and Matt's sponsored section was easily the best advertising I've ever seen in any media given how authentic and light hearted it felt. Already adored Max and Matt's work, now Justin is definetely up there in regards to fighting game community creators. Best episode so far, please keep 'em coming!
As a side note, if you ever consider guests for this podcast, perhaps jmcrofts? Liked his videos with Justin, would be cool to see him interacting with the rest of the cast.
I can't believe Max forgot about Fight of Gods or Fight of Animals. Those are great examples of modern poverty fighting games. Jank as hell, but sick as fuck!
TRUE!!!
I thought Max and Matt were gonna say Fight of Gods at the end lol.
Fight of Animals has a Smash version coming!
I thought he was talking about Fight of Gods when he said "without offending a large group of people".
I remember when Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid was considered poverty. It has grown so much since its initial release that I don't know if it still counts as such.
It's still and will always be badass
Id argue maybe NICHE. But not poverty. Like Tatsunoko Vs Capcom is SUPER niche but i wouldnt consider it poverty
@@ControlShifty
TvC is poverty
That would be the SNES MMPR game. The one where Ivan Ooze is practically unbeatable because of how broken he is.
I played BftG on release for quite a while and that game was NEVER considered poverty. Niche? Maybe. A cheaper MvC? Sure. Poverty? No, I disagree with you 1000%
Not sure if this qualifies, but X-Men: Next Dimension and Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects have a special place in my heart.
I played a lot of MN: RofT. It was bad, but I loved it
Mutant Academy/Xmen:ND, they're some jank there but I still dig it.
Nobody:
Spiderman: We call that a web-slinging ASS kicking!
I loved the electric dude in that Marvel game. The poison guy was cool too
I love xmen next dimension. I played it for at least 50 hours
Now this I can get behind…
(Also The Fighting Game Glossary doesn’t have a entry on Poverty, and that should probably be rectified.)
that and "loose" & "tight"
Rage Of the Dragons actually has a fun little story relating to King Of Fighters. What happened was Brezzasoft, which was essentially SNK after OG SNK went bankrupt, approached mexican studio Evoga to make a fighting game, namely Rage Of The Dragons, and while there the people of Brezzasoft challenged Evoga to a match of KOF98. Should Brezzasoft win, they get to design a character for Rage Of The Dragons and Evoga had to pay them $5000, should Evoga win they get to request a character for KOF 2001. What resulted was basically Evoga kicking Brezzasofts ass and Evoga then going "we want a hot mexican girl fighter with big tiddies." And that's how Angel came to be.
Lol i heard that story on Thorgis Arcade. Thats how we got Angel. Crazy af
@@emaculatej650 oooh! What episode is that I've never even heard of the channel before sounds sick
@GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430 thorgis arcade kof retrospective part 2. Yea dudes channel is fantastic imo go check him out
I went to Chinatown Fair once in 2010 and played on the very same Rumble Fish 2 cab Justin mentioned. I'm happy that he was responsible for that game being there in the first place.
In highschool, I literally brought my laptop with two DualShock 3s and play Melty Blood Actress Again with a friend of mine during lunch time.
Saw rumble fish 2 for the 1st time at a Pennsylvania con called Too many games. I played it for 10 minutes and didn't understand anything, but am VERY excited to go back and try it for another 10 mins next year!
I've never seen it I'll look for it this year
Shoutout to all the games & FG series that would have been on this list 2-3 years ago but got the recent glow up!!
Its not Mugen, its another engine that the creator Kamekaze specialized into because he said its better than Mugen. TMNT x Justice League its like the King of Poverty Games, its freaking amazing. I also downloaded Sailor Moon S but theres a fan made version wich adds secret characters, more modes and rebalancing and I put it into my snes mini , amazing stuff . I also want to salute master Wong lol.
So, Justin was the reason for The Rumble Fish 2 cabinet in the Chinatown Fair. It did add some variety.
My absolute No1 fave 'poverty fighting game' series is Tobal. I was one of the few, locally, who'd heard of it and, simply put, I really enjoyed it. Then of course we have (imo) the incredible Tobal 2 with the quest mode, grapple system, innovative use of HML attacks per button, wild combo system, costume colour customisation (RGB sliders per garment), incredible soundtrack, beautiful full 3D visuals that smashed along at 60fps and, for me, created the concept of full 3D combat movement with up/down leading to the foreground/background respectively (was Soul Calibur the next game to use this? Certainly Tekken and VF didn't adopt it until the 4 iterations of each series). *Sigh* one of the greatest 3D fighters that just never was unfortunately. Now, lemme just grab my LCD laptop real quick and stoke the fire barrel...
@MattMcMuscles thank you for introducing me to Dino Rex!!!! This is so wild to see early 90s Taito throwing out all their stops to make a B-movie dinosaur fighter. Why did they layer such a deep plot into this?? Why are the Bonus Stages more fun than the actual matches? This is so wild.
Loved the episode! Thanks for the Skullgirls shout out lol
Proud to have SG on a similar standing to Melty as poverty kings 🥰
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I'm hoping that one of the future episodes of TKO will be about fighters for the Sega Saturn and NeoGeo that either don't know about or are exclusive to Japan. Like Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Fight, Sonic Council, Groove On Fight, Astra Superstars etc. There are so many fighters for the two systems that a lot of people don't know and I'd love to see if the three boys know anything about them
Waku Waku 7 WAS exclusive to Japan
That walk through the park story was so good
Very surprised to not hear Tattoo Assassins from you guys! My buddies and I used to have bad fighting game tournaments that included Bloodstorm, Time Killers, Survival Arts, etc. and Tattoo Assassins used to be the final game. Such a bad, janky, fun game!
After hearing Melty Blood being mentioned, I thought of Arcana Heart, a buddy of mine is obsessed with it but it strikes me as a very poverty type fighting game...
Everytime even think of playing that game i feel like Chris Hanson is gonna deliver me pizza.
Arcana Heart is basically the DOA of anime fighters afaik
The game is fun as hell and has a lot of depth, but you'll have to fight to beat the allegations
There was so many! My pick is Asura Blade!
Obscure, arcade only, mid-90s BUT fun arcade game.
Mentioned but my favourite has got to be Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, remember seeing the digitised sprites for the 1st time and thinking it was a what if Jackie Chan was in MK.
As for modern games considered poverty fighters I would go to Fight of Gods and Nick All-Star Brawl.
I play it everyday on fightcade
Among us arena is also a fun poverty fighting game. Just bounce people up and down left and riggt
Time Killers and Eternal Champions were probably my 2 favorite poverty games growing up. Time Killers is probably number 1 and I literally NEVER hear anyone mention it. That game was fun as hell lol.
I literally came here to mention both of these.
I had a Sega CD growing up and my Dad was really annoyed at me for not getting the Star Wars game for my birthday instead of Eternal Champions as game of choice. I played so much of that game for the next six months along with Sewer Shark.
Time Killers was the second fighting game I ever played (Karate Champ was first). I went to one of those Go Kart/Pool Hall/Arcade places from the early 90's and that game has a special place in my heart even though it took the very little cash I had super fast.
My personal poverty FG is Gundam Battle Assault 2. I just have one other friend who loves that game. I also like playing SVC Chaos and Neo Geo Battle Coliseum. Also I don’t know if it’s poverty, but I love Project Justice and I constantly boot it up whenever I play Dreamcast.
I love battle assault 2
I was thinking about this game too! I just could not remember the title. Thx👍🏽
@@riffcrypt8438 Same! There also hasn't been another 2D Gundam game, which is crazy to me.
@@youngimperialistmkii Glad I could help! We need more people playing this.
I actually love SVC also despite it being jank
I'm so happy they brought up Melty Blood towards the end lol. I literally joined in the countdown and totally wasn't expecting us to be on the same wave length.
Dong Dong Never Dies or we Riot of the Blood!
I remember owning Tao Feng: Fist Of The Lotus, the Genesis version of TMNT: Tournament Fighters (which I thought was trash compared to the SNES version), the Power Ranger SNES fighting game, KI1 & KI Gold. A few of my cousins had Virtua Fighter 1, Tekken 3, & even Primal Rage.
Man, those were the days for me in terms of this topic. I kinda regret giving away Tao Feng back then. I'm still looking for a good copy to this day.
18:40 Condor, Inc. also made a little known video game called Diablo. They were later known as Blizzard North.
They met because they were both contracted to make the same game without knowledge of the other version. Their booths were right next to each other at an industry event; I don't remember if it was E3 or CES.
I'm glad Battle Monsters got a mention.
Also I like Battle Arena Toshinden. I only first played it 10 or so years ago and, yes, it's super slow and janky... but fun. I loved Duke's Southern Cross partially due to how slow it was... and the full version... can that even fully hit anyone? And I agree, has some great music.
As for my favorite Poverty games... Battle Monsters and Asuka 120%. Skullgirls was also mentioned but I don't consider it poverty enough.
27:59 I love Rage of the Dragons. If there is one thing from that game that should be imported to modern KOFs, it's that they had both the neutral dodge from KOFs 94/95 as 5AB and the roll from 96 onward as 4AB or 6AB.
I freaking love these conversations. Wish I had friends to talk about this stuff.
One that I enjoy that I don't know counts as a poverty game is Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm. It's pretty interesting because it takes some cool stuff like Third Strike-style parries and a mix of kind of KOF/SNK style gameplay and older Capcom gameplay. Also, Max is featured in that game as a selectable commentator in that game. Also, I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X-Men Mutant Academy and Next Dimension games.
Shame that game has the worst online I've ever personally experienced at launch.
Just gonna list out some of my poverty games here (sorry if one or more arent poverty exactly):
-Akatsuki Blitzkampf
-Variable Geo
-Savage Reign
-Ninja Masters
-Golden Axe: The Duel
-Ragnagard
-Kabuki Klash
-Astra Superstars
-Aggressors of Dark Kombat
-Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer
-Kizuna Encounter
-World Heroes 2
-Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors
-Rage of Dragons
-Groove on Fight
-The Rumble Fish
-Inuyasha a Feudal Fairly Tail
-Zero Divide
-Real Robots Final Attack
-Gundam Battle Assault 2
-Armed Fighter
-Vs.
-Psychic Force
-Vanguard Princess
-Big Bang Beat
yeah its a reaaaaally huge list but those are some of the ones i played over the years or some that i come back from time to time.
I was not ready for that story at the end of this episode, I am red in the face from laughing. This is my favorite episode so far
Eternal Champions was my childhood fighting game, and to this day, I consider Xavier to be one of the coolest characters I've ever encountered in a fighting game.
Same. I love Larcen too.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Fight of Gods and Fight of Animals, those games are true jank poverty gems.
Thank you guys for putting out bangers over and over, see you in the basement for the Dong Dong nationals
One of my dreams is to run a tournament of all the “poverty” fighting games I own. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1, Castlevania Judgment, Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (vanilla, Ignition has a scene), Godzilla Unleashed, JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle, Kill la Kill IF, Sonic the Fighters, and the main stage event, Arm Joe.
Fight Fight Revenge was talked about a bunch on the first episode, and it needs to be talked about EVERY EPISODE.
The sponsered section was so godlike, damn, you guys rock! 10/10
Someone probably mentioned this already but Buriki One does have stick motions for moves and you move whit the buttons so theres that
No need to thank the viewers, you guys are exactly what I want in a podcast, good voices talking about their favorite hobby
1:57 lmfao. Justin's SFX getting that hair out of a razor
Gundam Wing Endless Duel perhaps? That game is FUEGO.
I love that Melty Blood was mentioned mostly because I'm part of the community of that game, but if i have to choose my favorite poverty fighter it's gonna be Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku.
Imagine Arcsys remakes Sailor Moon a la DBFZ style. That would be a full circle I'd love to see.
Almost makes too much sense. Sailor Moon Crystal was a thing not too long ago. You'd think they'd make a game just to ride that wave of relevance. However they should go with the Classic Anime style charm for the gane.
They wouldn't really have to change the engine since unlike the old anime, the Senshi do fly in the Manga/Crystal.
Roughly 15 years ago? I always thought poverty fighting games meant we couldn't afford to buy games for various reasons and so we'd pirate Comiket fighting games to play. Main examples being EFZ, MBR, BBB, IaMP, SWR, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, and CRUCIS FATAL+FAKE to name a few. And some genius coders would write up some netplay executables just so we could versus online, such as mbcaster--which was derived from IaMP's caster. If you know all the games I abbreviated, then kudos. MB series eventually exploded to have MBAC on PS2, arcades, and a PC port (2007) that wasn't just sold at Comiket. Akatsuki Blitzkampf somehow managed to get an arcade port.
mbcaster was for Melty Blood Act Cadenza PC port
IaMP's caster had rollback netcode added some time after mbcaster's creation
EFZ - Eternal Fighter Zero
MBR - Melty Blood Re-ACT
BBB - Big Bang Beat
IaMP - Immaterial and Missing Power
SWR - Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
Big Bang Beat was so fun, but so janky mechanically. It was like poverty Guilty Gear for me.
The Double Dragon Neo Geo fighter was actually in Little Tokyo(J-Town) Los Angeles back in the day. I remember playing it mostly because it could be an hour wait for Virtua Fighter, MK, or SF to open up some weekends.
I will take any chance I get to call out Waku Waku 7 as my personal favorite that I would consider a poverty game.
A poverty fighter games list/discussion would not be complete without mentioning TMNT Tournament fighter. Sick Music, awesome visuals, and a surprising amount of tournaments for tournament fighter.
Great and interesting topic! I'm with Justin, my favorite poverty game is Rage of the Dragons for the Neo Geo, I highly recommend it to anyone that loves fighting games.
Dong Dong is indeed a fan made game. Its super fun to look at the making of it, just a bunch of buddys in an office, making a game XD
Not sure if it counts but shoutout to Kirby Fighters 2, genuinely a really fun platform fighter with great aesthetics and singleplayer content.
Shoutouts to Colorful Fighters. The most poverty of Arcsys' fighters that they gave no online to or separated it from the weird Subspace megaman game they attatched it to
Street Fighter EX3 is definitely a poverty fighter. EX3 is the BEST BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
I agree with you.
Asura buster and Asura blade are sick. Nice combo systems and character designs for sure
I recalled an old DOS game that was loosely similar to Time Killers...it was called Time Slaughter....it definitely had a "charm" to it...😂😂
The poverty fighter from my childhood was Fighter Destiny 1&2 on the N64. A point based 3d fighter. Unique still to this day.
I adore poverty fighters or just any kind of out of the way or weird fighting game. Maximum Impact, Karnov, Dengeki Bunko, Nitroplus. I love when really dedicated scenes pop around these janky games and really turn up the hype for them, it's just so special
Would Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring count as poverty?
I remember trying my damnedest to get my friends to play on PS1 purely because I thought Cloud and the other FF7 characters being there was the coolest thing ever haha
I think every fighting game that's not street fighter, MvC, Tekken and KoF counts as poverty fighting game
I would second this! I played it late like 10+ years after, bc I was trying to catch up on PS1 Final Fantasies and Ehrgeiz caught my eye and I was like wow damn ok nevermind 😂 Dissidia came such a long way in comparison!
One of my favorite poverty fighting games is King of Fighters 2006/ Maximum Impact 2. That game is so broken and janky and had a lot of content. Just get a few friends with some snacks and it was good time even if it wasn't up the standards of the main series.
100% agree!!👍
Yes!
Gleam of Force 2 and Asuka 120% Burning Fest is a poverty game. Really love it.
The reaction to the very mention of Tao Feng was beautiful 😆
I felt that one...
I think there IS control stick fighting, Matt, it was Buriki One and and is a strong contender for poverty because of the Neo Geo 64 rarity.
And I have fond memories of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting game, but it is 100% poverty.
I had to rewind to the melty blood meme comment multiple times because that was so damn funny.
I remember the first Evo Japan having a fairly big side tournament for one of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting games. There's definitely a community for that game over there, both that and the other SNES Ranma fighting game that did get an English translated version back in the day.
I found it hilarious how fast everyone agreed when Justin mentioned Street Fighter The Movie lmao
this is genuinely the best podcast in the fgc. best episode already.
like at this point, I need a Triple K.O X YoVg crossover where you all play these jank ass games lol.
Rage of the Dragons is such a fun game. I wish more people played.
Soon enough with the re-release!
I wished you guys had talked about the rage of the dragons development history because snk lost a bet against the devs of that game, which lead to Angel's creation
KOF's Angel? Interesting story, do you have a link?
Aggressors of Dark Combat, Time Killers, and Eternal Champions: Challenge from the Dark Side.
43:18 - The reason why we never got a port of Fighters Megamix was because during that era. Sega was doing a collection of Sega Model 2 arcade ports with online support.
Japan got two additional games that we never received over in the west. Which were Virtua Striker and Virtual-On.
Fighters Megamix was a Saturn only game and they were not focusing on Saturn ports at the time. Would still be nice to get a port of it on modern consoles though.
PS1, Unholy War. Super underrated arena fighter + strategy game adjacent.
Both Justice Leagues were made by Blizzard. Condor is Blizzard North. They're the ones who made Diablo. Justice League is how the two companies met, which eventually led to Blizzard acquiring Condor.
Blizzard and Blizzard North are ostensibly the same company but they're actually pretty different, practically speaking.
Funnily enough Condor pitched the idea of Diablo to Blizzard thanks to the Justice League ports connection. Condor ended up being Blizzard North and they are the team behind Diablo.
Another awesome episode! I couldn't listen in yesterday and I felt empty, now I'm whole again! Jejejeje I got to say, my poverty game I think it is Psychic Force, probably nobody remembers it and for good reason, it was so bad but so good. More than anything I loved the intro theme and the main characters Burn and Keith.
Really cool episode here and loving the references to Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers 1 & 2 and Last Bronx. Used to play the crap out of those.
Don't know if you could make a whole episode out of this, but maybe you guy could do a topic on fighting games BEFORE Street Fighter II? That would be a great history lesson to many!
Having played a lot of obscure Neo Geo Fighting games in the early 00's ( Dank-box based cabinets were all the rage across Latin America), two of my favorites were Breaker's Revenge and Waku Waku 7.
Outside of Neo Geo, a particular one I remember is Big Bang Beat, which was a doujin game based off an eroge (a la Melty Blood). The menus and interface had this peculiar Mugen stank to it, but the character designs and sprite animation were really nice to look at. Mechanics-wise it was really fun, but unfortunately broken as hell, as you had a really quickly filling super bar that could be used to do a dash cancel and lead to really degenerate combos.
LMAO best Manscaped plug ever!
I'm glad you guys mentioned Rage of Dragons, I had never played it, it's great! The in game character splash is gorgeous!! Would you consider Chaos Code a poverty game? There is still a great community on Discord playing it. Should be a sequel soon.
Great stuff guys. I'd have to include Bloody Roar as part of my poverty lineup for sure, but otherwise a great list and an entertaining watch/ listen.
We dont talk about Double Dragon 5.... but the one Justin was talking about was dope. I played it at a camping lodge place when i was 11
Visceral memories brought to the surface at the mention of Last Bronx.
My favorite thing in Gem Fighter is Demetri sliding across the floor in the background on one of the stages 😊
Oh my God. My local arcade had Rumble Fish 1 and Rumble Fish 2. I remember it's little selling point where you could see your character getting more and more beat up as the match went on. I played that game and had a lot of fun. It's been a kick in the head trying to track down a copy of it to import or even emulate.
I literally had to pause this video to go and look up the "Slam Master" mechanic.
I was not disappointed.
Aw, I'm sad now. I actually had the idea to do a tournament called Devo if the plague ever ends. Even got so far as picking out games. Was gonna be Primal Rage 2, Masters of Teräs Käsi, War Gods, Kakuto Chojin Capture the Crown mode, and just to have one good game no one knows how to play, Weapon Lord.
X-Mutant Academy 1 & 2. I wonder if these guys have played it.
Great episode, I love how Matt is basicly the king of poverty games haha
ArcSys Sailor Moon fighting game PLEASE. That would be godlike!!
We had a Rumble Fish 2 arcade machine in the arcade here in Texas! People played it here! It was really fun!
Pokemon Type Wild and Battle CAPacity are 2 great Pokemon themed struggle fighters
I wish they mentioned Guilty Gear a little more, Guilty Gear XX has my favourite character specific intro. Order Sol V Slayer. When that bassline of Slayers theme plays as they attack each other was the coolest thing ever!🤩
Eternal Champions for Devo
Dude, that Melty-Blood bit had me rolling on the floor.
I would say my Povery game is the Naruto Ultimate Ninja games. My brother, his friend and I would have matches in those games for hours on end!
On the comment of 3D fighting games keeping you on the ground for so long, it's interesting that even modern hack and slash games (it actually started on Kingdom Hearts 2 what what I remember), never leave your character on the ground, they usually do some anime fall recovery pose and are ready to go.
What was that Fighting game that released only in Japan and Max was playing it with the Doods?
One of the character had a Vacuum cleaner, that game looks super Fun