Why You Should NOT Upgrade... Apple TV 4K (2022)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Apple just announced new models of the Apple TV 4K. What's new? Should you buy one? Should you upgrade your current Apple TV? We'll answer all these questions and more in today's video
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0:00 Chapters
0:56 About the Apple TV
2:58 What's New?
3:29 Price
4:11 Storage
4:26 Processor, Connections, Resolution
5:24 Siri Remote
6:20 Thread Support?
7:45 Should You Buy?
8:38 Which One Should You Buy?
10:21 Should You Upgrade?
11:38 Smart Home Support?
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I setup three original Apple TVs in our home in our guest Bedroom, Living Room and Master Bedroom several years ago and we love them. The Guest Bedroom is connected via WiFi and the other two are hardwired for the best performance. I sat out the 2021 update, but I pre-ordered two of the new Apple TV 128GB models with ethernet ports as soon as they appeared in the Apple Store. Looking forward to seeing if we notice any performance improvements over our older units.
Thank you Shane for another great informative video. As a 2017 4K owner I will be upgrading. Ethernet of course. One thing to keep in mind is that since Apple updated to the A15 Bionic, then maybe, just maybe there is something coming with integration on the new Apple TV that will require the A15. Something like the as of yet unannounced Apple AR/VR headset?? Just my 2¢
Another good video out of the gate. Thanks Shane for recommending connecting the Apple TV 4K directly to Ethernet. I originally had the Ethernet cable connected to my smart tv, but I took it out and connected it to my Apple TV. What a difference!
Thank you for another great video. I agree with the Thread support, if Apple wants to have folks come over and adopt it, let do it and go all in.
Great comparison Shane. However I think the thoughts are a little different.
In fact you don’t have to compare Apple TV 4K base model with previous version of 4k model: previous lineup was built by HD model and 4k model. The first was the base one. So Apple replaced HD model with 4k base model and I think that respect the old model (that I still use in my living room ) it is a huge upgrade (ok they removed utp cable but for example the old HD had it but it supported an old utp protocol not more usable nowadays ): like the previous base model (HD) it hasn’t thread so I think its target is for the ones that don’t want to have an HomeKit hub (I am a great fan of HomeKit and I use it with HD and I was thinking to upgrade it just for the lack of thread support). So in this thought Apple has increased the base model price not lowered it as it did, unfortunately, with every device this year.
Excellent summary - we currently have four Apple TVs, and I think we’ll probably pick up a a couple of new ones (with Ethernet) to replace a 2017 4k model and an original 2015 HD model, which has recently started to act up.
Like you, I see no reason to upgrade the two 2021 models we purchased last year, which are still working great. But year-over-year upgrades are rarely worth it.
Bummer they eliminated Ethernet and Thread support from the base model, but I’m grateful for the overall price cut.
These people are not Apple guys, or they wouldn't be having this conversation.
There is no reason to OWN ANY APPLE DEVICES if you look at things that way.
You can just buy the absolute CHEAPEST generic kit and it will work just the same.
But it will feel like trash compared to Apple stuff.
Look I get it, I didn't like to swallow that extra cost either.
BUT I recognise that luxury costs money.
What about upgrading from the 2017 AppleTV 4K? Is it worth the upgrade from that?
I’ve been wondering, if I have a 2022 smart tv, what’s the reason to use Apple TV? Apart from smart home.
I kind of see your point but I actually think the removal of ethernet and thread from the base model makes total sense. It allows them to drop the price to a point that potentially attracts a whole new market of people and specifically this is targeting your every day common man who wants to enjoy a good streaming setup but has no interest in fancy home automation or the performance of a hard wired connection. For most consumers honestly that stuff doesn't matter much, but the lower price will so its a smart move. For those of us who do care about those features the new high end model is only $20 more and is still cheaper than the equivalent previous generation models so it's a no brainer win all around in my opinion.
I have 2 of the 2021 models which initially had a hard time with my Denon AVR and Netflix. Netflix resolved itself with firmware upgrades, so I'm hoping the hardware was updated beyond the A15 chip. I still have one 2017 version which I will replace with one of the 2021 versions. Mainly for more complete tread support. Someone gets a Christmas present because I keep all the boxes. The 2021 version had a real problem with pops and dropouts when using ATMOS.
What kind of issues did you have with your Denon? Every once in a while my tv will say there's no signal coming from the Apple TV on the hdmi I assigned it in my Denon AVR . Happens if I switch sources without turning the Apple TV off first. The issue doesn't happen with my other sources using the same HDMI port so I know its the Apple TV being weird. Hoping upgrading to these newer models will fix it.
My view is pretty similar to yours. Given the lower price it's hard to complain about the new top-end model, but I don't see why they even bothered with the lower-end model. Maybe they have customers who want/need *one* AppleTV which has matter support, but are also buying 3-4 other AppleTV's for the same house, and those people would want to save $20. But I'm really grasping at straws there.
I’d love to see Apple take Arcade more seriously and add an M1 chip in the TV line up. With the new enhancements to Metal3 it’d be nice to see apple close the loop on gaming more tightly. Guessing I’m the odd one out here but it’d be cool to see.
almost no one would buy it. just get a mac mini, honestly, cause that is how much the apple tv would cost
Yeah I think you’d definitely be in the minority. It would make the Apple TV much more expensive when most people don’t care about arcade, and the Apple TV is already expensive relative to its competition. Would a Mac mini or iPad docked to the tv work for you?
A15 okay already…just let me shareplay appletv n fitness without my ipad plz..or allow facetime direct w apple tv with applewebcam….
@@fionnmaccuill415 we do if want good games to come to apple. We only platform on the planet, without Skyrim on it.
I been using apple since the late 80’s , apple don’t show love for us gamers. Apple brought beats over bungie. Apple don’t have the balls to buy EA, apple is a joke about supporting gamers
Another great video! I have a 2021 Apple 4K, and I'm quite happy with it.
Wow. Single best review of Apple TV. I learned more from your 14 minute review than all of the other reviews I watched combined.
Does it work with the external sound bar? Via Bluetooth or the HDMI- ARC out ?
Especially the Apple TV 4K 2022?
That’s for the great explanation. I’m still rocking a 2017 ATV so most likely will be upgrading this time around. Appreciate the videos as always!
Thanks for watching!
Is it worth buying HomePod Mini if you're using Homekit?
Seems to me the lower end model is more like the old appleTV HD as that doesn’t have thread either. I don’t think they removed thread from the 4K, rather they added 4K support to the HD.
Greetings from Montreal 🇨🇦, here a new suscriptor ! I built my own Apple ecosystem, but I never had an Apple TV before. Do I really need it if I have a smart tv at home ?
What about if I purchase two a month ago and now they came out with this. I’m still able to return so should I just exchange them
Before your video came out I felt exactly the same way and I’m so pleased to see that you come to the same conclusion is that I have I have the previous version in actual fact I have three of them and several HomePod minis. So there is no way I’m updating thank you for being simpatico with my thoughts
Last year’s ATV 4K has audio drop out problems with third party apps like Netflix so that alone was enough to make me upgrade.
Does the new 4K unit finally have Bitstream output and does it support Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio?
I have a new 2022 Sony Bravia Master series tv which works off Google TVOS. I have deleted my personal Google account as it has made the television reception unstable! Are there any known stability issues with the Apple TV?
I’m hoping the new one supports High Res lossless audio. As it happens I’m still within my return window on a 2021 model I bought but haven’t set up yet so I’m returning it and ordered the new model.
Not really an upgrade per se but I’m happy to spend the extra $30 to try the new model instead.
Hi res lossless with a usb output for a dac would be great !
Can you finally download purchased movies to this device or is it still too early for such technological wonders?
Big miss on the U1 chip for sure. Thanks, but I’ll keep rocking my 2021 4K thread enabled Apple TV. 😊 Thanks for your honest and thorough review as always.
Thanks for watching!
Shane, Again, another good video. I have the 1st Apple TV with the hard drive and through the years have purchased them up to the 2021 models. I'm happy to see Apple drop the price $50.00 and double the storage. I would probably purchase the higher end, 2022 128gb, Apple TV for the Thread capability. By the way, which version of Bulldog do you have, Z-Wave Plus or WiFi? I'm interested in having that protection in the case of a leak. Thanks.
Hey Aaron, thanks for watching!
I have actually used both versions of the Bulldog. The Z-Wave one is great if you have a Z-Wave hub already that you can use it with. Something like SmartThings. I have the Think Z-Wave Hub that actually supports HomeKit natively, but it's only available right now in the EU (I got an early US version for testing).
So if you don't have a Z-Wave hub, I'd go for the wifi version, especially if you want to use homebridge. It works great and don't need an additional hub. It uses the eWelink app which can be used very easily in Homebridge if you want to go that route like I did. The homebridge integration has been solid.
So here’s something I feel is odd (unless I am wrong, which is quite possible ;-}. I can turn off my Apple TV using Siri, but if I put it in my goodnight automation it doesn’t work. Is there a way to put it in there so it does turn off?
Thanks in advance.
I have a 2017 Apple TV 4K - I will absolutely consider upgrading to the new higher end one. Thread and Ethernet are absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Why? The old one had Ethernet & thread isn’t great. By a thread router. Easier better value
@@paulkieffer1189 the 2017 is not the model that came out last year
Yup apps load faster with ethernet. I will be getting the higher end model to replace my old 2017 Model.
As will I. The old Apple TV 4K box will be moved to the Garage TV.
What’s thread?
I have the 2021 Apple TV 4K and I love it but I couldn’t agree with you more Shane the removal of thread and Ethernet is silly and doesn’t make much sense I guess they wanted to give you a reason to really consider upgrading from the base one with just wifi but like the previous model just doubling the storage on the higher cost version would have been more than enough to justify the extra 20 dollars they are asking for imo
Well, I think that the cheaper device is marketed for those that aren’t home automation enthusiast and that way save little money. in my case I have 3 Apple TV at home only one is thread capable or 2021. The other ones are older, but since
I have 2 home pods in different rooms, the whole house is covered. If I update the older ones I could get the cheaper one since I wont be using them as hubs. Just a thought
I have the 2021 version of it and I dont feel like there’s that much of a change so I wont be upgrading
Which version should I get ? My mainly use of the Apple TV should be when I airplay videoes from my iPhone ?
I looked on Apple but could not find modem speed. My new Sony surprisingly is limited by a 100 baud or bps modem .
Can I use this 4K Apple TV with my HD television?
I always got the base model storage and wondered why any more would be necessary but recently Ive been having so many of my apps offloading and was looking into the 2021 model while it was on sale. Glad I waited because I got the 2022 high end for the same price. Def wont have to worry about storage for a long time now
Also been a little bit of stuttering recently in the interface so I think it's probably time to upgrade if you care about the fluidity of the experience
Will definitely get the top end one - still using the 2017 model and I’ve noticed some stuttering with newer 4k content lately which drives me nuts 😬! Proper eArc support is also welcome as Dolby Vision and Atmos content become more mainstream.
But no bitstream (truehd passthrouh) from players like Plex, it is a big no-no as nVidia Shield can do it for many many years, also no AV1 decoder which will be the future, so this makes apple tv fall to very plug & play users with like netflix only usage.
@@danex070 Today you can do everything with HDMi cable. Keep in mind that New now audio formats require higher data transfer more than toslink can transfer
@@danex070 What probably applies to Apple is probably that, they don't want to offer things that might encourage illegal file sharing of hollywood movies. Does Codi even exist for Apple TV? . Then the question is aren't there players for Apple TV that support DTS ?
@@Andersljungberg Today you COULD do everything with HDMI cable, but in reality its one of the biggest mess in the tech industrie, there are like 6 kind of HDR, 10 kind of sound format, CEC should work with everything, but in action there are many problems with it. Also HDMI has multiple versions and even the same version has multiple implementation of speed and technology. Like normal, arc, earc. Also earc its also TV specific what format they can passthrough or not.
So as you are fine with youtube and netflix you gonna be fine with the built in applications, new TVs has decent speed, there is no need for a seperate media box. For higher category where you want to use your own sound system you will need a media box to drive that with a proper audio format and this is where AppleTV sucks.
Many years before sure, TVs had trash performance and apple tv or an android box was a nice upgrade but now they are just useless for everyday use or they lach the technology for higher end use.
The only Apple TV i have is an Apple TV HD (32GB)
I am trying to decide if should bother upgrading to this one (if i do, then i will be getting the 128GB model, since the 64GB model does not have ethernet)
I am concerned though that apple may be experimenting with removing features to see what they can get away with
I bought two Apple TV 4K but I haven't been able to download any application for two months because both devices keep saying that I can't connect to the App Store (Apple can't help with that). I recommend other products like the NVIDIA Shield.
Doesn't make sense to upgrade from 2021 model 4k, i thought i didn't have thread support but now you have clarified it does so ease of mind for a couple of years now
I’ve been putting off getting one because the price was a bit too high for me since I already have all these apps on my ps5 and smart tv but the price decrease makes it more appealing now and I can take full advantage of my AirPods while watching movies and tv.
I absolutely love using my AirPod Pros to watch movies and TV. Sound canceling and spatial audio is amazing in a house full of people.
Is anything upgraded relative to HomePod Mini?
The one big (and frustrating, tbh) difference is that the new model supports RUclips at 4k 60fps HDR while the older 2017 model doesn't. I'm not sure if they nerfed it, or just never offered the support for the app in the first place, but it feels like a false restriction to be honest, given that a much cheaper Amazon 4k Firestick can do it. That said, given how much I hate the touch section remote for my current ATV4k, I'm almost tempted to get the new one just for the better remote.
This makes sense if you have a Samsung TV that supports HDR10+ but not Dolby Vision. Otherwise this really looks like an iterative update.
Some good thoughts in this video, nice job. 👍🏻
Do we know if it now supports the High Res Lossless 24 bit/192 khz Apple Music tracks?
I’m sticking with last years model, thankyou for the video 😁👍
Me too 😄. Thanks for watching Paul!
Thanks for explaining it, Shane!
Helpful video. I have an old Apple TV HD that works fine. My TV is an old Samsung from probably 2010. I’ve never previously given serious thought to upgrading the Apple TV on the assumption my current TV can’t make full use of the better 4K quality picture. However I’m now starting the build a smart home and adding cameras. Questions: Will the A15 chip make a difference in the functioning or reliability of my smart home? I don’t know if my Apple TV supports threading. Assuming not, since I’m adding cameras do you recommend upgrading to thread? Thanks!
Thanks for watching Bob. It depends on which Apple TV you currently have. The A15 could be a good upgrade from an older Apple TV (pre 2021). If you are getting into smart home, having a thread border router is something I would strongly consider, although Apple TV is not the only way to accomplish that. The HomePod minis also serve as thread border routers.
Very good video. I am coming from an Apple TV 4K 32GB from 2017.
I am getting one for my Samsung s95B HDR10+ support ($150 versions only)
I’ll let you know if I see any difference in picture quality
I will be definitely checking out that bulldog for water detection
Has me worried all the time !!!!
Will be looking for your videos on it as I use HomeKit also
Thank you!!
Ah yes, with a Samsung and HDR10+, it makes sense. Just let me know if you have questions about the bulldog. The wifi version integrates very easily into homebridge, if you are using that.
The most important question no body answers is is quality any better than native apps in my case oled c9 or not ?
Will the A15 enhance HomeKit any at all? Faster doorbell notifications/video notifications, etc? Or is the processor not that important with HomeKit?
Technically, since your HomeKit automations, etc. are being processed by your HomeKit hub, I suppose there could be an improvement. But I think the A12 chip was already more than enough so if you are seeing lag or delays, chances are the root of it is likely something else.
I’m still on the HD that I got in 2018. I think that this is upgrade I’ve been waiting for. Will be getting the WiFi + Ethernet one and hope that the new price point doesn’t mean that they are getting to launch one that runs on silicon at the 199 price point
I don’t have a Apple TV. I might get one for sure now that the price is cheap on this product.
I’m upgrading from my Gen1 ATV4K
I have the 2017 edition, I am buying the new one and will sell the old one, so I think the upgrade cost will be small. The value on the second-hand market is pretty good.
Even after all the apple support posts and Reddit posts, the current Apple TV 4K is still plagued with Dolby Atmos playback issues with several sound bars. It be nice if they finally listened and fixed this issue with some under the hood updates in this new model.
Is it possible that apple think people will buy one Apple TV 4K with ethernet for main tv and HomeKit, and some with wifi only for secondary tv, like kids.
Very tempted to upgrade my Apple TV HD which I’ve had since 2015 or 2016. I’d definitely go for the higher model.
Certainly a worthy upgrade coming from the Apple TV HD. Thanks for watching Jeff!
I appreciate the Wi-Fi 6. I don’t understand lack of thread like you said. At least the top got cheaper. I may grab one in Christmas to get rid of that last fire stick in the house!
Has anybody else got problems with HomeKit since iOS 16 update my light s don’t work seamlessly like before please help or is this a bug which will be sorted with iOS 16.1 update
Sorry to hear they remove the Ethernet and thread from the base model. Often an AppleTV near your television will also be near cable modem and a wired Ethernet connection is often right there! Glad I got the one from last year and not the most recent.
I would love it if I could download my movies and tv shows on my Apple TV 4K, that’s a feature I’m waiting on.
As I understand it, Apple have recently said that Thread will not be fully supported on the 2021 models- you will only be able to use HomeKit-compatible devices on those older models, as you need a bit of extra hardware that was added in the 2022 model
Did they update Apple Music support for lossless audio?
I needed a 4K ATV for a new 4K TV and HomeHub as I start into a Smart Home, and I just ordered a 2021 model (32GB) from Amazon for $99. Still get Thread for future and my new TV doesn't have HDR10+ anyway. I didn't see enough advantage to spend $50 more for a 2022 with Thread support.
My ATV HD will move to bedroom/travel.
still got the first gen 4k..on that directv promo if yall remember other than a bump in the processer..all i i can upgrade is the remote..
I'm a Google guy but have to keep up with Apple stuff for potential gifts as my brother is in the Apple ecosystem. I love the Chromecast, but man, I wish that they would have a another model that was a more robust unit like this, rather than only having the dongle version. That much faster CPU and extra RAM is really noticeable.
Does the Apple TV need to be left on permanently in order to be used as a Hub i.e (White light always on) or can it remain in standby mode?
It also works while in the standby mode.
I am still using the HD version from years ago. Still need a 4K tv first. Still rockin the Samsung 3D tv.
Will you do review on the Apple Watch Ultra?
Still no Dolby Atmos or lossless support?
What if you put one upstairs without a cable eternet
I wish on the apps such as Netflix and Disney+ we could download the shows/movies to the Apple TV like we can with our iPhones now that there is more storage.
Any trouble shooting tips on why my HomeKit cameras are not working on my Apple TV? Just sits there on an old image. Works fine on my phones and tablets just not on the Apple TV
Not sure about that. If the ATV is up to date, I'd do a restart. See if that helps. If not, could be a network issue.
Iam still confused about this thread thing and ethernet port. Do we have to connect via ethernet to utilize thread? Or we can utilize thread by connecting to wifi?
Yes, you can utilize Thread just by connecting to wifi. To help explain, the HomePod mini also supports thread, but does not have an ethernet connection.
QUESTION/HELP: can it operate on 220Volts AC power source?
Never had an tv at all before already ordered one because of the price for my bedroom I’ll get the thread one for my living room later but that price made me pull the trigger
I knew if they dropped a new Apple TV is was going to be minimal over the previous version. The new price is nice but no U1 in the remote sucks, I do like the bigger storage options. If Apple was trying to compete with the Roku and firesticks they should have made a cheap Apple TV thats under 100. I probably will not get the new Apple TV unless I get a new TV to take advantage of the new HDR content .
So I have the model before this one and see no reason for upgrading. But what bothers me they dropped the ball like always why didn’t the add a usb c or usb a in the back to connect external devices like a ssd or flash drive.
If you are a home theater buff ands watch a lot. It’s totally worth it. I found that picture dynamic range seemed better but also most importantly the video scrubbing and even the audio seemed slightly improved over the 2021z nobody seems to be reviewing the AV quality or doing a genuine high end gear comparison
I also use a second unit rigorously for music and Apple fitness with various AirPlay speakers. The 2021 was buggy when it came to volume control and audio. The 2022 is Instant and fast
I agree with you on a lot. But I think the base model is just fine for those who already have a homepod (for threat support) and don‘t want to use LAN cabling at all in their household, maybe because of the layout of their rented flat
That is true. I just think that for an extra $20, it would be worth it... "just in case." Maybe it's just me, but I tend to move things around and change up my setup. This way, you got it if you need it or ever change your mind down the road.
@@ShaneCreates I’m planning to get the Ethernet model. I heard from apple sales guy that thread only works when connected through Ethernet. Is that true, please confirm so that I can get one. Thanks 🙏
Was thinking for grabbing another AppleTV 4K (for another Tv) as have the gen prior to 2021 they work fine but saw that 2021 refurbished versions (which had new remote, thread & Ethernet but A12 chip) can be found on the Apple Store for about $20 less then the new 2022 64GB base model - do you recommend the refurbished version or the new version?
I would probably go 2021 refurb over the 2022 64 GB, even if they were 32GB units. Unless you want or need that 128GB of storage, I don’t think there’s going to be a functional difference between the A12 and A15 powered versions.
I agree with Brian here. I think I'd probably grab a 2021 model over the new base model. The only reason not to is MAYBE if you have a Samsung TV that supports HDR10+, which is only in the newest models. Aside from that, probably won't notice a difference in the A12 vs the A15 chip.
Not really into Apple stuff and idk if this is a coincidence but in the thumbnail for this video the Apple TV box design kinda resembles a old school CRT with buttons on the side like how you would turn the volume or change the channel with your hand. Thought it was neat.
I have my own plex server and it does load up my media a lot faster, the ui is a lot snappier and smoother.
does anyone watch European football/soccer on the apple tv??? n which streaming app are you using?
Sooo I need a video on the iPad line up it’s confusing
I have the 2 of the 1st generation of Apple 4K and a one HD AppleTV on television that is only HD. I think I am fine.
I may buy one of the new ones for my mom at this price. She has an older Apple TV version right now that still has the older remote, so she tends to not use that TV. :)
Shane, after couple of week looks like Apple added Thread? Can you confirm is the 128gb model now includes Thread?
The 128GB model does support thread. It was mentioned in the video.
I have the 2021 model and it supports Thread
I just preordered the new 128GB version with Ethernet. I still had the original 2017 first version of 4K and recently our remote for it got crushed somehow. I bought the new Siri Remote for $62 only to realize that it was not compatible, so I returned it and preordered this new version.
The new remote works fine with my 2017 Apple TV 4K.
We still have the first Apple TV 4k, and in that case I think its a good upgrade. If for the last one is worth to upgrade, thats questionable. But for our old Apple TV 4k (2017) its definately worth the upgrade. ;)
Thank you for this, I will hold off
I’ve had performance complaints with the A10X SOC. when I was playing Oceanhorn 2 on my 1080P TV it was ok, but on 2160P 4K it had a lot of FPS issues. For me it was almost unplayable.
I could see that being the case if you are playing games on yours.
Did you mention HDR10+? I may have missed it. Great for Samsung TV owners..
I'm still using the 2017 model and see no reason to upgrade, except the newer remote is probably better.
I still have the 4th gen I got in late 2015. I want to get one with Thread support, but I'm still gonna wait for more details on Matter support. Either way, the new Apple TV being cheaper all across the board (and getting rid of the 2015 model!) is a great decision, despite Matter and Ethernet not coming to the base model. I would guess most people buying Apple TVs aren't that interested in those features anyway, so I guess it's mostly ok. :P
If you get a HomePod Mini, it doesn’t matter if your Apple TV has Thread.
If you ser the video that is in Dolby vision needs then that could be an important question. But one question supports the new higher audio sampling rate higher 48 kHz Thus, those who are interested in Hi-res music on eg Apple music or music with spatial sound in headphones that Apple music supports