PORCO ROSSO Explained: Feminism, Masculinity and Miyazaki | The Director Project
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2020
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Welcome to the Director Project! A monthly playlist series where creators from all across film RUclips make a bunch of video essays analyzing a chosen director. For December 2020, we're looking at Hayao Miyazaki!
For our submission, we look towards PORCO ROSSO, an outlier in Miyazaki's mostly feminist filmography... Or is it? Is Porco's sexism and misogyny meaningless? Or is it an avenue for Miyazaki to discuss and critique toxic masculnity? All men are pigs! Or are they?
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I always viewed Marco turning into a pig was because he gave up/lost his humanity in the war. Only after moving on from the guilt of seeing his friends die and learning to connect with others and loving himself is he able to be truly human again.
I agree! I think that's definitely part of it all - we're basically saying the same thing.
It’s Both/And not Either/Or, yeah?
@@MichaelLopez-vb1hh it’s both, in the world of the film, Marco’s survivors guilt and PTSD made him lose faith not only in humanity but in himself. He sees himself as a pig and thus everybody else sees him as a pig in response. But it is because of this lack of faith in humanity that he understands, “all middle aged men are pigs.” It’s in the subtext and it’s a an example of Miyazaki’s feminist ideologies.
The masculinity depicted in porco is part of why I like it.
The guy has legitimate concerns and preferences, but it also shows that he is willing to change when seeing the proof for himself. He didn’t want a child girl to design the very thing he depends his life and livelihood on during a time when women and children were not know for handling such complicated things.
But he sees her work as being legitimate and worthy of risking his life and he goes with it. He ends up even deferring to her.
Anyone who is disgusted by the masculine and feminine depictions in this film, I don’t know what to tell you other than I’m sad for ya.
Gina, while beautiful is running her own business and gets the local crooks to behave.
Anyone who calls this movie male chauvinist, toxic masculinity trash, should get their eyes checked.
I'd like to note that Cinderella, Snow White, and Sleeping Beauty were victims of abuse and had to defend on a deux-ex to get them out of their situations compared to Mononoke and Sophie who grew up empowered and had a good support system. To be strong and independent, one needs to actually be equipped to be that, yah know?
I agree!
I think the bigger difference between those three movies and the ghibli movies, or even later Disney entries, is that snow white, Cinderella or sleeping beauty (the movies) aren't interested in their titular characters, they're interested in their tales, and in having silly side characters.
Porco Rosso is my favorite Miyazaki's movie and this is the best take on it. Thank you so much for all the mainsplaining and especially on the self-loathing part. I never saw it in this light and I can relate so hard. So much to think about. Thank you!
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The mansplaining gag was pretty good. I think the continuation of the gag would have been better if the woman explained toxic masculinity back to you. Awesome video! I got to this playlist through Broey Deschannel's link on her video. Subbed
Oh my god you're right. That would have been way better. Thanks for subbing nonetheless!
The only thing more beautiful than Miyzaki's films are those shelves full of vintage pop cans.
What is your favourite one?
@@CultPopture I might have to go with the green Dr. Pepper just because I've never seen it before.
@@CultPopture Noticed a coke plastic bottle as well.
I love this video. And I think you handled the “what is feminism/what is toxic masculinity” issue quite well/non-confrontationally, so kudos there. Really appreciate the formatting of the video too. Your style is great.
Great video. I love all the pig jokes made in Porco Rosso, but I think the best unspoken joke in the film is “when pigs fly.”
Thanks man! I definitely picked up the "pigs fly" thing but I couldn't find a way to work it into what I was saying hahahah
"This should've been the plot for Joker" SO SMOOTH I ALMOST MISSED IT
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I remember watching this film as a teenager. And not really connecting with it at the time. Now I'm much older and have dealt with similar things that the film talks about (self loathing etc) I may connect with it now. Thanks for giving me the prompt to give this film another look :)
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My version of the movie (Japanese dub, English sub) does not have Porco saying "All middle-aged men are pigs", it translates that same line responding the to question "Why did you turn into a pig?" as "It's a long story".
And he built the whole video on that bad dubbing. Who even thought that adding that line would be a good idea???
That mansplaining bit killed me xD
Thanks for covering Porco Rosso, one of the best Ghibli films imo.
Hahah very happy you enjoyed it! I'm glad everyone has been able to get the joke, I was worried people might not sense the sarcasm and get mad at me. Glad to see you're a fellow Porco fan! Please consider subscribing if you haven't already ☺️
Gina: dead gorgeous, beautiful, a literal business genius cause why is she so rich lol, clever, intelligent, loving.
Fio: Intelligent, quick witted, confident, passionate, honest, talented, beautiful, and caring.
Porco: ...a guy..that...hum knows how to pilot a plane? and hum...get money from catching thieves...?
yeah I totally get why Marco thinks he doesn't deserve any of these women. And at first I questioned why Porco doesn't love them, but the real question is why does any of them even like porco?
and why can't they just give up on him? why is gina still waiting? why does Fio still thinks about porco even that many years after? it doesn't really make sense. but love doesn't need to make sense I guess that's too realistic actually haha
I live for Fio's grandpa and the whole family tho lol
Man, I definitely need to rewatch Porco Rosso again. Especially with toxic masculinity idea in mind!
Yeah man! I think it definitely enhances the experience.
Most of the videos I’ve seen on toxic masculinity had me rolling my eyes but this ones really good. Good job man!
I love how you explained feminism not just through definition but through the symbolism of mansplaining because so many male "feminists" think having a dictionary definition is enough. That part made me laugh really hard not only because the mansplaining part is true in how performative it is when men do that, but it also is a good device to illustrate your argument both bluntly and subtly. In truth, the woman in your video is speaking volumes with her expression and silence. Fantastic!
This is a really nice comment! Thank you! I'm glad you liked it 😊
Thnx for man-splaining it to me. I needed it😜
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I haven’t seen many Porco Rosso, much less it’s comments on gender, so I’m glad you made this video!
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i know this is an older video so no one is probably going to see this, but the "all men are pigs" line struck me as unfamiliar so i checked and it is added to the english dub. In the original japanese version porco says
さあて ね which translates to "come on" if google translator is somewhat correct. The subtitles in my language translate it to "how would i know" or something like that, just found that little difference interesting! great video either way!
Oh this! I was honestly suprised seeing these are the English translations. I watched the Japanese dub and even the English sh titles were different from the dub!
I just rewatched Porco Rosso the other day before stumbling onto this video essay series, and I have to say this feels so spot on! Also, your bits on feminism and toxic masculinity had me laughing my ass off.
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This review is great. Especially your final point about loving yourself and Porco's arc. This deserves millions of views.
Porco Roso doesn’t need to have its big climax be about fascism being bad because from Miyazaki’s perspective, it’s so blindingly obvious that there is no need to dedicate the climax to it, the world around tells you well enough
I'm pretty sure somewhere Miyazaki has said Porco Rosso is the character he actually put himself into as well. That its the one character most modeled after his own personality.
I can see it! There's an element of self loathing to Porco that feels like it comes from a very personal place.
This was a great analysis. I definitely need to rewatch this and all of Miyazaki’s movies.
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Awesome video. Its Time to rewatch Porco Rosso, with a new perspective.
excellent job dude, I enjoyed your video essay so much and I think I've learned something important. cheers!
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this was not only hilarious, but also incredibly insightful. loved it!
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Duddeee im so happy i found your channel! Loved the video, keep up the good work!
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Good video man. Enjoyed it.
I love Porco Rosso! Its in my top five of ghibli films even if its conventionally different from Miyazaki's other works. I'm glad you got to highlight this stuff from the movie and you made me appreciate it all the more. I felt that the theme of learning to love yourself was always there but I could never manage to articulate it, but you put it out perfectly. Thanks!
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Ah in the japanese version of the movie when she asks why he turned into a pig, he says "it's a long story" in the subs on netflix at least
This is awesome. Thank you. Really. Enjoying this Project.
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Wonderful! Thank you!
I know this probably won’t be looked at but I’d say it’s 1930’s rough background plays into a lot of the attitude Porco has towards women as a whole
I think this video essay was strong. It was powerful to hear it expressed that toxic masculinity, like many systemic challenges , effect us all. The impact both the marginalized and the bigot / racist / sexist / Xenophobe etc. themselves. Your writing voice was patient , playful , and hopeful.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Disney's Princess and the Frog. Tiana, the princess of the movie, is a determined main character who is guided by friends and mentors to work towards her goal.
Here is the thing dude! You didn't need to go the extra mile with the pig nose, but it 100% made this a better viewing.
Great video. Subbed!
Thanks!
Damn you're good. I'm here since One Marvelous Scene, and you're the best. Like, from all the essayists de out there and beyond, I can think only of a few who are that good. Not entertaining, good.
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Porco Rosso's my favorite Ghibli film.
You're my favorite person
Loved this vid
I love you
I really liked this video! Good analysis, only criticism is that as someone who understood the theme to Porco's arch the start makes it seem like you didn't see that arch before goin into the Disney tangent. Glad I watched the whole thing before commenting, cause it's obviously intentional misdirection. You definitely nailed it with the comedy and statements you made!
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LOVE this!
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This is GREAT.
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The comedy in this video is good.
I never saw it that way. At least I didn’t think it was about feminism. I always thought the saying “All men are pigs” was a way to point out how barbaric we are. Pigs are often a symbol of greed, blind gluttony and filth. They are constantly consuming and are never truly satisfied.
Comparing that to “men” they are always trying to claim something. Always trying to consume the world around them in an attempt to fill a baser desire. To conquer. But that mentality is by its nature unsustainable. It leaves the world empty.
Porcco lives by this mentality and he is left alone. Because everything that he values he ends up destroying. It is why he lives alone. It is why he is so hesitant to kill. He recognizes that in his pursuit to conquer he wasn’t just destroying his enemies, but his friends too.
I am not saying what you are saying is wrong. In fact your points are fairly sound. I am offering a different perspective.
That said, would like to hear some more if people have some to share.
More like Survivor's Guilt and PTSD
My dude literally forgot the girl wagered herself to make money. Literally twisting men’s desires for her to her advantage.
So good
My dead mother loved this movie should her death not have happened. So if porco rosso is the film of her loved death, it may be upon her in the next life.
usually dont comment but i had to because i think this video was just so well done
this is super interesting
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Yeah, for mansplaning (I really liked that bit)! But seriously, I really liked this analysis. It went in depth how why and how Porco came about his curse.
Now, ~i~ need to watch Porco Rosso!
You take that back about Cinderella right now >:(
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I love Miyazaki's and Studio Ghibli's movies and their strong female leads are definitely a reason for that. I grew up on Disney and still love them, but the whole "damsel in distress" topic to them never sit well with me (and that even though Beauty and the Beast still is one of my all-time favs)
I couldn't agree more! I couldn't really find a place in this video, but while problematic, a lot of these Disney films I mentioned are still some of the greatest films ever made, and I think the good outweighs the bad. While they may have a lot to learn with their female characters, the universal truths they tell reveal their hearts are in the right place. Please consider subscribing if you haven't already! ☺️
I thought this was really interesting! It's always been my least favourite Miyazaki film to watch on account of how the boorishness makes me nauseous, but also because it felt like a film whose lessons weren't really for me (not myself being a man). I liked your analysis of it! I feel like it's interesting to choose him as a subject, on account of how all the other male characters in Miyazaki films don't have toxic masculinity as their fatal flaw, even if they struggle with issues surrounding masculinity or being men. I think it would be interesting to have a juxtaposition of him and another male character who has a large role in a Miyazaki film, and a character arc. Like Howl maybe? Who also struggles with feeling strong, and with mistakes in his past. I started writing out some thoughts, but realised it's so long since I saw Porco that they aren't entirely coherent. xD
Also here having watched Broey Deschanel.
Hey Aisling! Thanks for this comment these are some great thoughts - you should do the video comparing Porco with other characters, and I can add it to the playlist!
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And it's been my favorite somehow. You gotta take into consideration that this movie takes place in ww2 and most men back then were very very sexist. The pig part I don't think is related to the toxic masculine part or sexist part but rather more of Marxist and war commentary. The title crimson pig would be an insult given by the fascists for these revolutionaries.
I think Ashitaka would be a good character to contrast him to! Because he's traditionally masculine, but definitely not in a toxic way!
Great stuff. I need to watch more Ghibli.
Why not start with porco?
are the soda cans unopened?
I just liked the planes man
Imagine if George lucas directed a sex scene. No sand involved. That’s for sure.
In howls moving castle the main heroine gets turned in to an old lady and in Porco Rosso the main character gets turned in to a a pig.
I think his curse is from his survivors guilt of being the only one that survived plus he uses his curse as a joke multiple times I don’t think he’s being serious when he’s saying it.
In both porco Rosso and howls moving castle we get scenes when the main character is normal for a bit but then the curse returns.
Male or female Every character in this show doesn’t seem to be a bad person even the bad guys aren’t really that bad in the end of the movie.
I think porcos scepticism in the film is because the movie was depicting an older time.
Also good video.
Great video! I would like to add that toxic masculinity (the glorification of one's masculinity) is also an element of fascism. Thus we may interpret that such subject is also criticized in this regard.
Oh brother. 🙄
I really didn't understand a young girl kissing mid age porco
I've always thought it was more about how she wasn't being romantic, just showing her affection towards him like a little sister towards a big brother or something.
The English dub kind of butchers this movie tbh- as far as the delivery of lines in context
So the Director Project brought my here by way of Broey Deschanel and Accented Cinema. Love the project, first of all.
Second of all, watching you mansplain feminism directly into that poor woman's ear made me laugh out loud harder than i have at anything on youtube in a long, long time. Nice one :P
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just came in from my first viewing of porco rosso, and i loved your interpretive lens of feminism on it - it just made me adore the movie even more :)
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how were your friends in the mansplaining scenes able to hold their laugh 😂
Nah but the most toxic thing is when people use 'pig' as an insult. Wtf did pigs ever do apart from being abused and killed by humans? Really pisses me off that people just act like pigs are greedy for just wanting to exist. I swear I hope one day people will realise that stereotyping pigs as evil is wrong and arrogant. Guess I'll just be waiting for people to respect pigs' nature in a company heavily influenced by nature in films. Despite the good messages in this film, it's my least favourite ghibli movie based on the fact it treats pigs as self-centred and rude when those traits are all very, very human. Idk what else to say other than not to diss pigs because they are victims to us, they're not sexist or racist, WE are.
Edit: Yeah so my points still stand but it turns out that Miyazaki made Porco a pig not to disrespect them but rather because Miyazaki wanted a protagonist to be a pig for a change. I mean, this film used to confuse me because I thought Miyazaki loved pigs- turns out he does, but it's just not crystal clear in this movie, so that's my fault tbh. But anyway my username is gonna be pig until humans are nicer to them.
Yeah you'd think we'd be more appreciate of pigs after all they've done for us
@@crowstakingoff
Well yes, provides us with countless food and even... companionship? Idk, I've only just begun studying pigs and so idk much, but I do know that they need more respect. Especially from a film studio that widely bases much of it's films on environmentalism/shintoism.
Plus sweating like a pig when pigs can't sweat.
@@walangchahangyelingden8252
True tho
It's not just pig, but all other animals as well. Humans are evil to the core, they complained about the 15 shark attacks per year yet we kill 100 millions sharks each year for consumption and other purposes
Came for the Miyazaki love...stayed for the mansplaining
Thanks! Maybe I should just mansplain in all of my videos going forward.
@@CultPopture Haha oh God no!
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I once watched Porco Rosso in theatre with my mom. She didn’t like it and brushed it off as ‘sexist’ without a second thought. That’s an attitude I don’t like about modern feminism and media in general I think at this point, controversial characters are immediately deemed as bad without even examining context or wether there’s more to them than their flaws, which Porco Rosso had, but my mom couldn’t go deeper. You can’t censor discussions around uncomfortable aspects of humanity and expect it to move beyond them. And you can’t demonize everything you disagree with.
Eh just reminds of Pigs.
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Miyazaki type of feminism is all we need
feminism... LOL
Holy generic feminist takes batman!!!!
I lost it at 8:24
deez nutsw
"Strong female characters" So one-dimensional way to look at films. U.S. audience just can't get rid of that childish hero complex where "me" has to be the protagonist, solve the main problem, and rise triumphant. The movie industry's obsession to depict "marginalized" identities as the protagonist or a key role in films feels like an insult to the genre, a medium that can deliver narratives and settings where every single cast has their own purpose. As observers, we can only see a depiction of the real world, a slice of a scene where some people assume greater role than others. That doesn't mean they are less important, as everyone has their own unique life experience. Movie just takes a thin slice of the world, and some characters defined by their purpose in THAT setting assumes greater roles than others. Instead of focusing on that aspect, acknowledging that we can only observe a part of the world, the industry caters to the arrogant, childish idea that the main protagonist simply dominates whatever world they depict. This arrogance shows in the industry's obsession on the protagonist's identity, instead of how protagonists (a mere manifestation of the director's choice of a setting) fulfills their role in a world. Indeed, I see that a lot of "minority status" depicted in recent films don't really fit the purpose of their role in the world; maybe they throw in some cultural taste to their characters that accord with their identity, but largely their minority status is not necessary in the world the film depicts. I'm completely agnostic in regard to whether minority are proportionally represented in contents. However, I am averse to filmmakers putting identity in front of characters' purpose. I think it's condescending.
So everything is either: 1. About feminism, or sexism 2. "Toxic masculinity"3. Men are pigs 4. Mansplaining
Have we, as a society, gone so dumb or naivee, that we are becoming more and more feminists and womanly, and every series should have equal amount of representation or it is cancel. It annoys me a lot, when a good movie such as this, that was my childhoods most fond memory, and gave me the dream of true freedom, is explained as sexists, toxic etc, it is the era itself that was adjusted into a film, when a human male starts being a feminist, I would ponder wether or not he is a man or not
Islam was right about women.
Meh. A bit of a mediocre review with a fairly narrow lense. I suppose that is the curse of the modern age.
So cringe
Most anime from Ghibli that is not spirited away is garbage