I mentioned many times to review this trailer glad you did... my mother actually just bought that exact same 28 foot front bedroom with all those same options with the generator onboard and everything and she paid far far less then that so the msrp of that is up that high but it was in the mid40s when it was all said and done just throwing it out there
nick samay - so it can be done at much less than MSRP. $40k ish is reasonable but likely a fight with high profit sales greedy folks. Will look at used market too in ten years.
They have a ATC in Fort Worth off 121 and Beach street here in Texas. They are nice but they are literally twice the price and they do NOT save that much weight. I looked at the 24 foot and they wanted $80k for it and it was only 600 lbs lighter than a steel one. I’m looking at a Sundowner right now for $42K with a 12’11” garage 4960 dry weight and a 8050 GVWR 8’ wide garage. 3500 lb Spread axle and it will smoke this ATC in quality. It is also 1/2 Ton towable 3 season coach instead of a 1 season like this ATC . It is also a aluminum toy box trailer. If you know anything about sundowner they make high end horse trailer with full living quarters and are now in the business of starting to make toy box trailers. Sundowner used to make the trailers for the Budweiser Clydesdales back in the 90s and early 2000. I used to wash their trailer every year when they would come to Texas for the stock show and Pioneer days. You step into one of those trailers and you step into a ATC and you will literally ask this guy I thought you said this was nice? The 24’ ATC I looked at weight around 5800 lbs when compared to the sundowner at the same length I don’t know what weight saving they are talking about, specially when it’s over 1,000 lbs heavier . You can make your own conclusion but I would look at Sundowner if you are looking for a very high quality toy box hauler. Nice video though.
We bought an ATC toy hauler. It arrived with all kinds of things wrong with it. We’ve spent the past year documenting (videos and photos) the issues, on the phone and on the computer (emails) trying to get replacement parts and/or arranging to have things fixed. After over a year, things are finally close to what they should have been for a brand-new unit. Whenever I posted to ATC’s Facebook page, I was attacked, bullied for being disloyal, accused of everything from inflicting the damage ourselves to identity theft. It’s been a horrible, horrible experience. We’ve performed all but two of the repairs ourselves because, if the experts couldn’t build it correctly, how could we trust a dealer, who just sells them, to do a good job? The one time we did take it to the dealer to fix one of the rainwater leaks, they replaced the wrong part, and made the leaking area even larger.
Buyer Beware. We spent over 70k on ours: the roof leaked; several windows leaked, the gasoline system had two leaks, several cabinet doors and drawers were crooked, bent, or scratched. There was a chunk gouged out of the shower and its floor was cracked. The stereo did not work. The upholstery on both couches was ripped. The Happijac was installed incorrectly with loose/ bent screws and does not work properly - we are afraid that someone sitting below is going to get killed if/when the upper bed fails. Although under warranty, they refused to fix it without charging us. The back door is missing a seal … and on and on. We spoke with the dealer and ATC, and then asked about fixes on the ATC Facebook page. We were accused of damaging the rig ourselves, even though our photos were dated the day the hauler was delivered, while the driver was still there. I was accused of making it all up and of identity theft. Again, Buyer beware.
I was all in until they said it’s not a winter travel trailer and it’s not Four Seasons. They need to make one four season so I can go snowmobiling with it.
And probably a lot cheaper. I like the ruggedness of this trailer, but it is basically a cargo trailer with some sparse tool boxes screwed to the wall for a really high price.
After watching ATC site I saw the new gooseneck My suggestion would be for you to do a full review of their 32 and 40 foot trailer. Even tow it with you truck. Plus with this trailer your unbiased review would help future buyers as well as ATC in further developing this excellent line of trailers. Excellent video
I just started checking into RV's with real intentions, and the market seems flooded with crap that mostly seems to try and look new/modern styling, but feel like they are pretty much disposable. Nice to see these. Quality is always worth something.
AHAHAHAHAAHA -- better check on the quality issue with lots of the yutube videos that are on here about the problems they are having with these so-called well built trailers - - and most don't ever use yutube - they are having plenty of issues - especially for the price they demand - very poor quality control- if yu really look into em - and getting them fixed seems to be an issue also - some have even had problems with the axles of all things - they surely have suppressed as much as possible about such issues - very unprofessional like for sure - as if their workers and supervisors are incompetent - I grew up in a supervision family 7 decades ago -- the all aluminum is all that is special as to what I notice after years of looking - I am disappointed at the price verses the quality - twice as much - with problems - that sometimes are very big hassles to deal with - they blame it on their dealers of course ! - and only intervene if demanded to ! * - Rich people seem to have those issues if yu have ever noticed -
World of difference in this and a typical RV. We had horses and spent many weekends camping with the horses but also used that trailer for lake and beach weekends at campgrounds. It was all aluminum except the torsion axles and gooseneck, even had extruded aluminum slat floor. 42'L x 8'W x 8'T, 12' slide-out, full living quarters with 16' short wall on slant load trailer. When not taking horses we put grill and outdoor things where horses ride, along with collapsible tack room which allowed driving a golf cart into trailer. That trailer had every option the latest fifth wheel campers had but held resale value and was a very solid trailer. My wife has been wanting a fifth wheel and I told her I prefer getting another living quarters horse trailer even though we no longer own horses. It is built to haul weight (no under-sized axles), all aluminum structure and exterior, features of RV, they tow extremely well and they hold value. We towed 2-3 horses all over the East coast and mountains for 8 years with that trailer, no idea how many miles we put on the trailer. Never had any issues with it. My Mother-in-Law has a 10 year old camper set up on a beach lot, has been towed approximately 200 miles total. I went to check it for her Sunday to see if it needs any attention prior to her going this Spring to spend most of the Summer. First thing I noticed was how soft the floor was throughout the camper, every step felt like walking on a sponge. She has been getting RV guys in there every Summer for the past 4 years repairing things that are falling apart and it's not even used as a towed unit.
About time some company is making a travel trailer made right! I think... Hey, seal it up a bit, you got a boat camper!! I'd love that. I take more insulation over carrying stuff. Y'all need to make these for REAL cold and hot weather like I camp in.
That is a great trailer and I'm impressed. My engineer son-in-law would love the industrial looks but many women wouldn't. Many people question why we bought a King Aire when we could have gotten a same sized Tiffin, Entegra, and such cheaper. I said because you have to pay for quality and a High end components. Quality cost more but maintains its value.
Man I love those ATC trailers. Truly a lifetime investment, buy ounce, cry ounce. And they hold there value, try finding a used one. Saving my pennies...
I know it was a grammatical error but your statement of "then" keep paying is the truth. Buy one at a higher initial price and keep paying the same as you would with any other brand and construction type. These are very nice for certain uses but there are a different set of cons with all aluminum construction.
That's a sick trailer, love that they are using azdel throughout the entire trailer along with aluminum. So no rust and no delamination. No worries of your stapled together cabnets falling apart. Truely a step above at a very reasonable price point.
My wife and I have been looking at RVs for a while and have been turned off on their overall build quality. We have ATVs but never considered a toy hauler until coming across this video. Our order has been placed with expected delivery at the end of January! Thank you for this high quality and thorough walkthrough! Exactly what we've been looking for!
@@henryford2736 No it's not. Also, not sure what Dicks expectations are of his toads? He wants them to fly and pay for their own insurance? Plenty of "good quality" tow vehicles available. Assuming you're a normal person with realistic expectations of the universe you live in.
@@benjaminrobinson251 What do you mean no. Since 2015 the F150 is made from aluminum alloy except for the frame. That's high strength steel. Light weight and stronger than steel. You don't know anything about the F150. I have one.
This type of trailer isn't specifically for me. However I appreciate the build quality ATC is put it into their products. Man I just have to say this video was very well done. Both you and Jeff did a great job. Thank you BTBRV for always giving us the straightforward, important information we need to make educated decisions.
Built for the long term of RVing, similar to the Airstream. 28+ continuous feet of aluminum sheet roof, hope they have calculated the expansion factor when that aluminum hits +150F. Great video, I appreciate your detail in describing and drawing out the sales details on coaches. Your experience matters!
They did. I've watched mine and it does fine. They have been building world class race car trailers for some time. I have a car carrier from them as well. 10K miles last year and not a single problem with it.
I lived in Indiana for a bit, right next to ATC plant. I delivered their trailers all shapes and sizes. Quality is ridiculous. Spot on. When I would deliver trailers, other hot shot guys were dropping theirs off at the same time or even at the truck stops they would always compare the aluminum trailers they were hauling vs mine (ATC). Always blown away by the quality.
Wow, this aluminum trailer is great. Very impressive build. I didn't know about the quality and price point part. I mean, it's to be expected of course, but according to you, the concept of "you get what you pay for" is very legit in the RV industry, so thanks for that info. I'll keep that in mind when I buy my RV.
They now make a 29.5 footer bumper pull with a 16 foot garage. It will hold my E46 BMW, and it still allows access to the kitchen, bath, and bedroom with the car loaded. Pretty dang sweet.
Just started looking at RVs and I can’t believe the complete junk they all are. I see so many videos of people with units that are new or only a couple years old and they are falling apart. It’s nice to see something that will actually last
Very nice trailer. He is right, with aluminum you are talking decades not years. We have 1996 aluminum frame and skin Holiday Rambler. This type of trailer will last for long long long time.
This is Max Stallsmith; I'm the gentleman who commented about the towing quite a bit ago. After seeing this trailer; I'm sure that you now understand the "why" I've decided to go with this company for my RV Trailer.
I almost bought one of these they are beautiful and very solid they wanted 52k with the generator for the 28 front bedroom I want with the Keystone impact travel trailer toy hauler which was only 28 k the one issue that kept me from buying was the fact that I do about 90% boondocking and once you start scraping in denting that aluminum gets very expensive
Thank you for putting this video out. I’m impressed with it, it seems to be my type of trailer should I ever get one. I dont like all the wood that goes into a traditional travel trailer.
Another awesome video brother 👊. Jeff was a good guy to interview...very knowledgeable about the company and their products. You both made very good points about buying quality/ longevity vs. just only buying at a specific price point. I think with most everything, you do get what you pay for. You know... they are making a specific type of trailer out of specific materials to do a job and do it well. If someone doesn't like the design inside or the price or whatever then keep looking for something that's right for you. If I were in the market for a new toy hauler I would definitely look into this one.
I managed a RV store for a little while. I saw many people spend thousands of dollars repairing shotty work by manufactures. I am under the impression most all manufactures are garbage. While managing the RV company, I vowed I would never buy any trailer other than an ATC. Your mileage may vary but IMO, ATC is at the top of the food chain as far as I'm concerned for toy haulers.
ATC has been on my radar for the past year. Solid, thoughtful construction that doesn't weigh anywhere close to my current bumper pull toy hauler. The only downside is the lack of four season capability. It's not an option for me, it has to be able to function down to about 5° F. The track system in the garage is sweet. That would make securing my side by side a lot easier. Hose out the garage? I could get used to that. One thing I don't recall seeing in that trailer is a skylight - at least not in the bathroom shower. To me, that's a good thing. One less component on the roof that will leak. How well will that tongue take to a WDH?
This is great for those of us that love to carry our toys I love the fact it's got the perfect floor and cabinets. I can't wait to see their 40' filth wheel. The fact that a person can powerwash the inside of it makes a great thing.
I had an ATC and loved it. Phenomenal quality. I wanted to upgrade to a fifth wheel but at the time they didn't offer one,... so I went to Grand Design. :-)
show one more thought came to my mind, if there is an electrical failure or by accident touching the electrical network, it will not expose the occupants to the shock.
Man am I glad I came across this video!!! I think by far this is the best video of yours !!!! Well mostly because I am dealing with the limitations of my current 5th as it ages and having to do some costly repairs that will just not happen with a trailer like this, if its what I'm hoping! Seems like their projected release will be right in line of when I will be ready to upgrade!!
I swear to god that salesman was 2 seconds from proposing to you. You hit all the key selling points and factors before he could and all he could do was say yep, yep, yep lol
With no slide outs, I would like to see 2 chairs with fold up table, and would love to see a wall between the kitchen and where the gas vehicle goes, who wants to smell gas….otherwise pretty well planned out
We saw this at the New England RV Show in Hartford CT back in January and the ATC are very well made and eliminates all the water leak rot issues that you'll get in any other RV.... as every RV will have a leak or two in time! These even have duel-pane windows and very large tanks... but... Our biggest concern was the very low insulation factor... We'd rather loose 4" of interior and be able to camp more comfortably in less than perfect weather.. also the better noise reduction with more insulation is a must... Love Your Neighbor... but you don't have to love your neighbor's noisy kids or generator!!! I'm glad they now have shorter 5rs with the 36 & 32!! My ATC wish list for a 36' 5r would be... 1) R40 roof, R11+ Walls, R35+ floors with enclosed belly!! 2) Bedroom slides (Gives you more leg room even with a King, Larger closet space & Washer/Dry prep)!! 3) Wood cabinets or at least wood cabinet doors esp in the bedroom.. (We plan on going full-time so the metal cabinets are not very homey/warm feeling)!!
They don’t talk about price because they are over double the price for not double the warranty. My Sundowner has a 8 year Warranty and when I checked on the warranty for the ACT toy hauler it was like a act of Congress for them to tell me it had a 3 year warranty. They do not have a 24-7 hot line you can call if you have a problem with your trailer. They only way to get a warranty issue taken care of or just normal maintenance you have to do it all by email and that takes weeks and sometimes months to get a response. The 32 foot Sundowner is a whopping 500 lbs heavier than the 32 foot ATC. WoW ( LoL ) 500 lbs difference for double the price and not even a third of the warranty. My Sundowner is aluminum also, I payed $40K in 2019. The ATC I looked at that was 32’ with half the garage size was $85K. That was also a 2019. Get what you want it’s your choice, for me it’s a no way in Hades will I buy a ATC anything for over double the price and not even a third of the warranty. Maybe they have changed, who knows. All I’m saying is ask lots and lots of questions and do your homework.
RV's and Trailers are like the old car sales market, start high and negotiate down, big discounts if you buy at the right time of the year because most manufacturers over produce.
This is a well built camper and this was an excellent review but I have to agree with Jeff. No vapor barrier between the garage and living space and I shy away.
Expressive Pets I’m looking for something that I can accommodate my pack (8) of dogs , toy haulers seem to be the ticket. I’ve seen TH with the the back ramp that converts to a deck, it was awesome.
No, not at all like an Airstream. Airstreams are loaded with wood and weigh a ton. The ATC is much better quality than the Airsteams. I know because I live in mine full time.
Aluminum is a good construction material with several benefits, that being said, many years ago when they first started producing Aluminum livestock and cattle trailers they were very prone to cracking and you needed special equipment and welders to do repairs on them. In general Aluminum does not have the same flexibility as steel, at least the cattle trailers couldn't flex very much without cracking.
I greatly value your videos and input on these trailers. The importance of structure build quality is overlooked by most RVrs. This unit being reviewed is without a doubt very well built. However not very roomy for a full timer. In your opinion what are some of the best Toy Hauler RVs for full time living.
After a recent review I read about a gentleman who had numerous quality and safety issues with his ATC, these are definitely off my list. Great walkthrough, but perhaps real like walkthroughs 3 years after ownership would be a better indicator of longevity of ATC products. Respectively.
No, not at all like an Airstream. Airstreams are loaded with wood and weigh a ton. The ATC is much better quality than the Airsteams. I know because I live in mine full time.
In North America, it really comes down to ATC and Bigfoot as the best overall built Bumper Pulls in my opinion. Oliver I would probably rank as 3rd. Airstream doesn't even enter the conversation until much further down that list. If ATC could just warm up these interiors a Bit. Hire an experienced interior designer, spend some time narrowing down a design that will appeal to both the Dirt Bike riding husband, and the wife and kids who will be stuck back in the coach all weekend.
Looking forward to it. The NuCamp "Avia" Prototype is probably the closest thing to something new/exciting coming from any of the domestic mfr's in years. Even that has some shortcomings. It's like we are stuck in some time warp over here, compared to the exciting modern designs/building techniques they are doing over in the U.K. and Australia. This U.S. RV monopoly has gotten to the point of ridiculousness.
My only complaint is the generator is right behind you on the other side of the bedroom wall, I realize onan is quiet but it's still a generator and your sharing a space with it. It's not going to be unheard when trying to sleep.
I just got quoted $65k on this model (starting at MSRP of $75k). They only have a handful of dealers who "deal in ATC RV's" beyond the "legacy ATC vehicle trailers", so they're really spread across the nation with limited dealers to attempt to work with. For example only 2 dealers in all of Texas and the one nearest me had only one unit in stock to look at. A factory inquiry from me in Texas got a response "passing the inquiry" to a dealer in Idaho. I don't know if people know their geography, but that's a big miss. While it started at $49k base price, the additions on this unit quickly added up to $25k more in MSRP for competitive features other toy haulers have to drive off the lot at least $35k less than ATC's MSRP (at $40k or often much less, and equally featured) - but the dealer was telling me their pricing is such that they'd be losing money at $55k I suggested I'd pay grudgingly. Their price model competitiveness (big gaps) and dealer scarcity is a real problem for them. The boxes are simple as far as design and manufacturing costs "should" go, no Slides for example and as plain as plain can be relative to other makers' toy haulers, so they really need to get their act together on competitive manufacturing and related pricing, and their dealer network. I'd pay a premium for all aluminum - I guess - but not $20-$30k more. Why would we? Many other "aluminum framed" RV competitors are just as structurally sound, and rot safe. Finally, regarding this and other toy haulers... for this retiree and his wife, empty nesters who want to bring along their Harley... that doesn't mean we want: - boy's locker room decor, fit and finish, - complete lack of counter space, coffee machine space, pantry space, and lack of other creative "livable" design spaces beyond the plain and square aluminum boxes, - the smallest fridge capacity of any RV designs in the 25-35' length range, - boy/bachelor's black seating as the only choice, - cold interiors lacking any sense of warmth, inviting, or living, - seating where you have to turn your head 90 degrees to kill your neck to watch a TV. We just want a nice, warm, contemporary "living" RV - that can haul a bike. In this regard, the ATC unit fails more than any toy hauler in providing a stark, utilitarian, boy's locker room fit and finish that my wife hates from the word go, and I don't blame her. In addition to pricing/manufacturing costs and dealer networks, they need to find ways to warm it up and make it more livable. Suggest warm leather in trim and valances ( not black leather!!! ), contemporary finishes in furnishings (not black !!!), and some warm contemporary cabinet door trim levels. And finally, every fricking toy hauler - by every maker - at 25' and 28' have the same floor plans. Get a little creative guys. Think different end users: OCCUPANCY: A) big family B) empty nesters, GARAGE AREA: 1) 1 Harley, 2) 1 ATV, 3) 3 dirt bikes, PREFERENCES: i) Living spaces for different family sizes, livability and warmth vs. utilitarian, ii) Kitchen/Fridge capacities and needs, counter top space needs, iii) camping and outdoor gear cargo and storage, kayaks, etc. ... come on, stop just copying each other's same floorplans and get a little creative for meeting different needs. The ATC floor plans are EXACTLY the same as every other toy hauler out there, that are EXACTLY the same as any other.
This is another example of someone that is mad at ATC for doing what they do. This is what ATC builds. There's a reason they cost more. Often, they offer double the carrying capacity, less than half the maintenance and a much better resale value. They're not for everyone and that's not going to change. For those of us that just want a durable toyhauler we don't have to worry about, they're perfect. I don't need to take my house with me or i wouldn't really be camping would I? I've looked extensively at all the other types you've mentioned and i can assure you they're much fluff and little function. Just wait until you take that first trip and have a dozen things to fix! Just thought i needed to rebut some of this nonsense.
I know folks are concerned with winter...I'm curious how all that aluminum handles really hot weather? If your park loses power, does it become even more of a big oven? I have had that happen in a class c. I think this would be a wonderful rv for a mobility challenged person who needs a scooter and a lift chair. Just awesome!
Insulation in these really sucks, which is a bummer because everything else is perfect. Wish they would double the wall and roof insulation and make the floor spray foam standard.
They conveniently set the generator in a hole for ease of service. Not near you when sleeping, except for the head of the bed on the other side of the wall
I need this in a four season package will they make me one snowmobile ready ? With a better living area ? What time are they showing the new fifth wheels and we’re do we see them there website isn’t up to date
that is a really nice trailer but it would be to much for me. I would need just a 14 to 16 foot wolf pup toy hauler with the front bedroom and rounded front end. Great video as always sir.
@@DavidLabbe whatever, you win, you dont mind bumping into people in the RV every 10 sec. But as for the rest of us, slides make any RV way easier to live in. I think Airstream is your bag, famous for not making slides except for one model it stopped making 10 years ago.
I mentioned many times to review this trailer glad you did... my mother actually just bought that exact same 28 foot front bedroom with all those same options with the generator onboard and everything and she paid far far less then that so the msrp of that is up that high but it was in the mid40s when it was all said and done just throwing it out there
nick samay - so it can be done at much less than MSRP. $40k ish is reasonable but likely a fight with high profit sales greedy folks. Will look at used market too in ten years.
Steban just call them and price one it shouldn’t be any where near the 70s and
They have a ATC in Fort Worth off 121 and Beach street here in Texas. They are nice but they are literally twice the price and they do NOT save that much weight. I looked at the 24 foot and they wanted $80k for it and it was only 600 lbs lighter than a steel one. I’m looking at a Sundowner right now for $42K with a 12’11” garage 4960 dry weight and a 8050 GVWR 8’ wide garage. 3500 lb Spread axle and it will smoke this ATC in quality. It is also 1/2 Ton towable 3 season coach instead of a 1 season like this ATC . It is also a aluminum toy box trailer. If you know anything about sundowner they make high end horse trailer with full living quarters and are now in the business of starting to make toy box trailers. Sundowner used to make the trailers for the Budweiser Clydesdales back in the 90s and early 2000. I used to wash their trailer every year when they would come to Texas for the stock show and Pioneer days. You step into one of those trailers and you step into a ATC and you will literally ask this guy I thought you said this was nice? The 24’ ATC I looked at weight around 5800 lbs when compared to the sundowner at the same length I don’t know what weight saving they are talking about, specially when it’s over 1,000 lbs heavier . You can make your own conclusion but I would look at Sundowner if you are looking for a very high quality toy box hauler. Nice video though.
Amazing how the market has changed since this comment!
We bought an ATC toy hauler. It arrived with all kinds of things wrong with it. We’ve spent the past year documenting (videos and photos) the issues, on the phone and on the computer (emails) trying to get replacement parts and/or arranging to have things fixed. After over a year, things are finally close to what they should have been for a brand-new unit. Whenever I posted to ATC’s Facebook page, I was attacked, bullied for being disloyal, accused of everything from inflicting the damage ourselves to identity theft. It’s been a horrible, horrible experience. We’ve performed all but two of the repairs ourselves because, if the experts couldn’t build it correctly, how could we trust a dealer, who just sells them, to do a good job? The one time we did take it to the dealer to fix one of the rainwater leaks, they replaced the wrong part, and made the leaking area even larger.
Buyer Beware. We spent over 70k on ours: the roof leaked; several windows leaked, the gasoline system had two leaks, several cabinet doors and drawers were crooked, bent, or scratched. There was a chunk gouged out of the shower and its floor was cracked. The stereo did not work. The upholstery on both couches was ripped. The Happijac was installed incorrectly with loose/ bent screws and does not work properly - we are afraid that someone sitting below is going to get killed if/when the upper bed fails. Although under warranty, they refused to fix it without charging us. The back door is missing a seal … and on and on. We spoke with the dealer and ATC, and then asked about fixes on the ATC Facebook page. We were accused of damaging the rig ourselves, even though our photos were dated the day the hauler was delivered, while the driver was still there. I was accused of making it all up and of identity theft. Again, Buyer beware.
I was all in until they said it’s not a winter travel trailer and it’s not Four Seasons. They need to make one four season so I can go snowmobiling with it.
Pretty confident it would be fine
I purchased an ATC cargo trailer a couple of months ago.. and I converted it to a toy hauler camper. Its pretty awesome.
And probably a lot cheaper. I like the ruggedness of this trailer, but it is basically a cargo trailer with some sparse tool boxes screwed to the wall for a really high price.
Thanks for highlighting quality. ATC, InTech, and Sundowner are built for the long-haul.
After watching ATC site I saw the new gooseneck
My suggestion would be for you to do a full review of their 32 and 40 foot trailer. Even tow it with you truck. Plus with this trailer your unbiased review would help future buyers as well as ATC in further developing this excellent line of trailers. Excellent video
I just started checking into RV's with real intentions, and the market seems flooded with crap that mostly seems to try and look new/modern styling, but feel like they are pretty much disposable.
Nice to see these. Quality is always worth something.
AHAHAHAHAAHA -- better check on the quality issue with lots of the yutube videos that are on here about the problems they are having with these so-called well built trailers - - and most don't ever use yutube - they are having plenty of issues - especially for the price they demand - very poor quality control- if yu really look into em - and getting them fixed seems to be an issue also - some have even had problems with the axles of all things - they surely have suppressed as much as possible about such issues - very unprofessional like for sure - as if their workers and supervisors are incompetent - I grew up in a supervision family 7 decades ago -- the all aluminum is all that is special as to what I notice after years of looking - I am disappointed at the price verses the quality - twice as much - with problems - that sometimes are very big hassles to deal with - they blame it on their dealers of course ! - and only intervene if demanded to ! * - Rich people seem to have those issues if yu have ever noticed -
World of difference in this and a typical RV. We had horses and spent many weekends camping with the horses but also used that trailer for lake and beach weekends at campgrounds. It was all aluminum except the torsion axles and gooseneck, even had extruded aluminum slat floor. 42'L x 8'W x 8'T, 12' slide-out, full living quarters with 16' short wall on slant load trailer. When not taking horses we put grill and outdoor things where horses ride, along with collapsible tack room which allowed driving a golf cart into trailer. That trailer had every option the latest fifth wheel campers had but held resale value and was a very solid trailer. My wife has been wanting a fifth wheel and I told her I prefer getting another living quarters horse trailer even though we no longer own horses. It is built to haul weight (no under-sized axles), all aluminum structure and exterior, features of RV, they tow extremely well and they hold value. We towed 2-3 horses all over the East coast and mountains for 8 years with that trailer, no idea how many miles we put on the trailer. Never had any issues with it. My Mother-in-Law has a 10 year old camper set up on a beach lot, has been towed approximately 200 miles total. I went to check it for her Sunday to see if it needs any attention prior to her going this Spring to spend most of the Summer. First thing I noticed was how soft the floor was throughout the camper, every step felt like walking on a sponge. She has been getting RV guys in there every Summer for the past 4 years repairing things that are falling apart and it's not even used as a towed unit.
So glad you reviewed this brand as I just started evaluating using an aluminum design. Thank you.
About time some company is making a travel trailer made right! I think... Hey, seal it up a bit, you got a boat camper!! I'd love that. I take more insulation over carrying stuff. Y'all need to make these for REAL cold and hot weather like I camp in.
Make it arctic rated so you can take your snow mobile way out there.
I’m in Alberta and that would be amazing!!!
That is a great trailer and I'm impressed. My engineer son-in-law would love the industrial looks but many women wouldn't. Many people question why we bought a King Aire when we could have gotten a same sized Tiffin, Entegra, and such cheaper. I said because you have to pay for quality and a High end components. Quality cost more but maintains its value.
Man I love those ATC trailers. Truly a lifetime investment, buy ounce, cry ounce. And they hold there value, try finding a used one. Saving my pennies...
They're built very well, and you pay a premium price for that quality.
This guy knew his shit!! Impressive trailer. Knowledgeable salesman.
I am a full timer and I am pretty impressed with that unit. But, there are a lot of good products out there, esp now.
Like the air stream!
Better to pay upfront, and have it last. Then keep paying!!
I know it was a grammatical error but your statement of "then" keep paying is the truth. Buy one at a higher initial price and keep paying the same as you would with any other brand and construction type. These are very nice for certain uses but there are a different set of cons with all aluminum construction.
This channel got 100 times better showing these crazy built RVs. I’m still stuck on that Australia black series RV
That's a sick trailer, love that they are using azdel throughout the entire trailer along with aluminum.
So no rust and no delamination. No worries of your stapled together cabnets falling apart. Truely a step above at a very reasonable price point.
I think I've found the best option for a trailer camper.
My wife and I have been looking at RVs for a while and have been turned off on their overall build quality. We have ATVs but never considered a toy hauler until coming across this video. Our order has been placed with expected delivery at the end of January! Thank you for this high quality and thorough walkthrough! Exactly what we've been looking for!
Now put a 24 foot version on a F550 cab chassis and take your toys waaaaayyyy back in the woods.
Now if someone could make tow vehicles as good as quality as this trailer!😄
F150 is made from aluminum alloy.
Ford.com
@@henryford2736 No it's not. Also, not sure what Dicks expectations are of his toads? He wants them to fly and pay for their own insurance? Plenty of "good quality" tow vehicles available. Assuming you're a normal person with realistic expectations of the universe you live in.
@@benjaminrobinson251 What do you mean no. Since 2015 the F150 is made from aluminum alloy except for the frame. That's high strength steel. Light weight and stronger than steel. You don't know anything about the F150. I have one.
@@henryford2736 That's quite a different statement than " f150s are made of aluminum" You're much closer but still not accurate.
This type of trailer isn't specifically for me. However I appreciate the build quality ATC is put it into their products. Man I just have to say this video was very well done. Both you and Jeff did a great job. Thank you BTBRV for always giving us the straightforward, important information we need to make educated decisions.
Built for the long term of RVing, similar to the Airstream. 28+ continuous feet of aluminum sheet roof, hope they have calculated the expansion factor when that aluminum hits +150F. Great video, I appreciate your detail in describing and drawing out the sales details on coaches. Your experience matters!
They did. I've watched mine and it does fine. They have been building world class race car trailers for some time. I have a car carrier from them as well. 10K miles last year and not a single problem with it.
Prices are reasonable considering what you get.
Thanks for showing ATC trailers! 😁
I lived in Indiana for a bit, right next to ATC plant. I delivered their trailers all shapes and sizes. Quality is ridiculous. Spot on. When I would deliver trailers, other hot shot guys were dropping theirs off at the same time or even at the truck stops they would always compare the aluminum trailers they were hauling vs mine (ATC). Always blown away by the quality.
I delivered to a RV dealer in Vegas. He said shhhhh all the RVs on the lot are pretty much throw away but the ATC will last forever
Wow, this aluminum trailer is great. Very impressive build. I didn't know about the quality and price point part. I mean, it's to be expected of course, but according to you, the concept of "you get what you pay for" is very legit in the RV industry, so thanks for that info. I'll keep that in mind when I buy my RV.
Thanks. And you can find these for upwards of 20-25% off MSRP. So you can get one of these in the mid $40s
They now make a 29.5 footer bumper pull with a 16 foot garage. It will hold my E46 BMW, and it still allows access to the kitchen, bath, and bedroom with the car loaded. Pretty dang sweet.
Just started looking at RVs and I can’t believe the complete junk they all are. I see so many videos of people with units that are new or only a couple years old and they are falling apart. It’s nice to see something that will actually last
Very nice trailer. He is right, with aluminum you are talking decades not years. We have 1996 aluminum frame and skin Holiday Rambler. This type of trailer will last for long long long time.
This is Max Stallsmith; I'm the gentleman who commented about the towing quite a bit ago. After seeing this trailer; I'm sure that you now understand the "why" I've decided to go with this company for my RV Trailer.
I actual like this one, now I'll have to look up the company. Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video
Hmm this could have great application for custom builds. That could be a game changer.
It'd be really cool if you could get a version where the rear ramp instead turns into a fold-out deck with a glass screen door access
I almost bought one of these they are beautiful and very solid they wanted 52k with the generator for the 28 front bedroom I want with the Keystone impact travel trailer toy hauler which was only 28 k the one issue that kept me from buying was the fact that I do about 90% boondocking and once you start scraping in denting that aluminum gets very expensive
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Jeff was very knowledgeable. Impressive video. Thanks!
Thank you for putting this video out. I’m impressed with it, it seems to be my type of trailer should I ever get one. I dont like all the wood that goes into a traditional travel trailer.
ATC will change the RV market, Quality is back
Another awesome video brother 👊. Jeff was a good guy to interview...very knowledgeable about the company and their products. You both made very good points about buying quality/ longevity vs. just only buying at a specific price point. I think with most everything, you do get what you pay for.
You know... they are making a specific type of trailer out of specific materials to do a job and do it well. If someone doesn't like the design inside or the price or whatever then keep looking for something that's right for you. If I were in the market for a new toy hauler I would definitely look into this one.
If one is pulling these with vehicles in them over rough offroads, this looks awesome. I've seen toyhaulers litteraly torn apart offrosd. Well Done
I managed a RV store for a little while. I saw many people spend thousands of dollars repairing shotty work by manufactures. I am under the impression most all manufactures are garbage. While managing the RV company, I vowed I would never buy any trailer other than an ATC. Your mileage may vary but IMO, ATC is at the top of the food chain as far as I'm concerned for toy haulers.
Our ATC arrived in terrible condition; we’ve spent the past six months making repairs - “bones” are good, but otherwise NOT worth the 70k
They all suck except Newell, Prevost, Marathon Coach etc.
Rebel Lucy we are talking about TT not coach correct?
@@rebellucy5610 Don't forget Newmar.
ATC has been on my radar for the past year. Solid, thoughtful construction that doesn't weigh anywhere close to my current bumper pull toy hauler. The only downside is the lack of four season capability. It's not an option for me, it has to be able to function down to about 5° F.
The track system in the garage is sweet. That would make securing my side by side a lot easier. Hose out the garage? I could get used to that.
One thing I don't recall seeing in that trailer is a skylight - at least not in the bathroom shower. To me, that's a good thing. One less component on the roof that will leak.
How well will that tongue take to a WDH?
Well built TT toy hauler. Thanks for sharing JD. That is a awesome trailer.
This is great for those of us that love to carry our toys I love the fact it's got the perfect floor and cabinets. I can't wait to see their 40' filth wheel. The fact that a person can powerwash the inside of it makes a great thing.
I had an ATC and loved it. Phenomenal quality. I wanted to upgrade to a fifth wheel but at the time they didn't offer one,... so I went to Grand Design. :-)
This is one nice trailer.
$75k did he say? Better be nice...
Quality has a price. My kind of trailer! aWesome interview!
show one more thought came to my mind, if there is an electrical failure or by accident touching the electrical network, it will not expose the occupants to the shock.
Man am I glad I came across this video!!! I think by far this is the best video of yours !!!! Well mostly because I am dealing with the limitations of my current 5th as it ages and having to do some costly repairs that will just not happen with a trailer like this, if its what I'm hoping! Seems like their projected release will be right in line of when I will be ready to upgrade!!
I swear to god that salesman was 2 seconds from proposing to you. You hit all the key selling points and factors before he could and all he could do was say yep, yep, yep lol
ATC makes a stacker trailer that is bad ass .
With no slide outs, I would like to see 2 chairs with fold up table, and would love to see a wall between the kitchen and where the gas vehicle goes, who wants to smell gas….otherwise pretty well planned out
We saw this at the New England RV Show in Hartford CT back in January and the ATC are very well made and eliminates all the water leak rot issues that you'll get in any other RV.... as every RV will have a leak or two in time! These even have duel-pane windows and very large tanks... but... Our biggest concern was the very low insulation factor... We'd rather loose 4" of interior and be able to camp more comfortably in less than perfect weather.. also the better noise reduction with more insulation is a must... Love Your Neighbor... but you don't have to love your neighbor's noisy kids or generator!!!
I'm glad they now have shorter 5rs with the 36 & 32!!
My ATC wish list for a 36' 5r would be...
1) R40 roof, R11+ Walls, R35+ floors with enclosed belly!!
2) Bedroom slides (Gives you more leg room even with a King, Larger closet space & Washer/Dry prep)!!
3) Wood cabinets or at least wood cabinet doors esp in the bedroom.. (We plan on going full-time so the metal cabinets are not very homey/warm feeling)!!
Great!! Will take the heating and insulation. Finally!
Thanks JD. ,
That was a very Nice Toy Hauler,. I was even thinking on one of those but you did a good walk through. Thanks. ! 🇺🇸
They don’t talk about price because they are over double the price for not double the warranty. My Sundowner has a 8 year Warranty and when I checked on the warranty for the ACT toy hauler it was like a act of Congress for them to tell me it had a 3 year warranty. They do not have a 24-7 hot line you can call if you have a problem with your trailer. They only way to get a warranty issue taken care of or just normal maintenance you have to do it all by email and that takes weeks and sometimes months to get a response. The 32 foot Sundowner is a whopping 500 lbs heavier than the 32 foot ATC. WoW ( LoL ) 500 lbs difference for double the price and not even a third of the warranty. My Sundowner is aluminum also, I payed $40K in 2019. The ATC I looked at that was 32’ with half the garage size was $85K. That was also a 2019. Get what you want it’s your choice, for me it’s a no way in Hades will I buy a ATC anything for over double the price and not even a third of the warranty. Maybe they have changed, who knows. All I’m saying is ask lots and lots of questions and do your homework.
RV's and Trailers are like the old car sales market, start high and negotiate down, big discounts if you buy at the right time of the year because most manufacturers over produce.
This is a well built camper and this was an excellent review but I have to agree with Jeff. No vapor barrier between the garage and living space and I shy away.
Used to seeing this in the race Industry. Great feature !! Thanks so much for sharing .
This is my new standard of what I want it’s a gorgeous trailer and very well made love it
❤️u do good interviews, asking good questions. This is really sweet.
Expressive Pets I’m looking for something that I can accommodate my pack (8) of dogs , toy haulers seem to be the ticket. I’ve seen TH with the the back ramp that converts to a deck, it was awesome.
@@donnaocasio45 Great solution... I'm thinking the loft is ideal for my bunny... And I travel with only two dogs... Love the patio conversion idea.
Wow, impressed...and it has the generator option in a bumper pull. Can't wait to see one in person
Nice trailer.....I like the "just hose it out" comment !!
Woohoo. Waiting to see the new Ford 7.3 specs so I can get one of these.
Be nice to have that at 40 feet long .Great floor plan in it and design.
Truck camper, tow a simple 10 ft utility trailer. I go anywhere and worry nothing about fitting anywhere.
I'm in LOVE!!!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍
I'm even sold on the price!!!
Awesome! Kinda like a Airstream. I like it. Thanks for the review
No, not at all like an Airstream. Airstreams are loaded with wood and weigh a ton. The ATC is much better quality than the Airsteams. I know because I live in mine full time.
Can't wait to see the 5th wheeler..
Aluminum is a good construction material with several benefits, that being said, many years ago when they first started producing Aluminum livestock and cattle trailers they were very prone to cracking and you needed special equipment and welders to do repairs on them. In general Aluminum does not have the same flexibility as steel, at least the cattle trailers couldn't flex very much without cracking.
These seem very well thought out and designed. Impressive. I'm gonna have to check these out in person.
I greatly value your videos and input on these trailers. The importance of structure build quality is overlooked by most RVrs. This unit being reviewed is without a doubt very well built. However not very roomy for a full timer. In your opinion what are some of the best Toy Hauler RVs for full time living.
Two sinks are better than one large, because with two you can wash and rinse a lot easier!
No front bedroom in mine, but my 24’ ATC trailer is awesome! Had it since 2016.
After a recent review I read about a gentleman who had numerous quality and safety issues with his ATC, these are definitely off my list. Great walkthrough, but perhaps real like walkthroughs 3 years after ownership would be a better indicator of longevity of ATC products. Respectively.
They make excellent trailers and i would gladly pay for quality, however 74K is good coin for a 28 ft bumper pull \ toy hauler
You'll never pay that for one even full optioned out.
The Airstream of toy haulers!
No, not at all like an Airstream. Airstreams are loaded with wood and weigh a ton. The ATC is much better quality than the Airsteams. I know because I live in mine full time.
Really like the interior design of this trailer!
Wow pay once have it for a very long time.
Great video.they make a 5th wheel aswell.
In North America, it really comes down to ATC and Bigfoot as the best overall built Bumper Pulls in my opinion. Oliver I would probably rank as 3rd. Airstream doesn't even enter the conversation until much further down that list. If ATC could just warm up these interiors a Bit. Hire an experienced interior designer, spend some time narrowing down a design that will appeal to both the Dirt Bike riding husband, and the wife and kids who will be stuck back in the coach all weekend.
Youll see some new trailer in upcoming videos that will really impressive you
Looking forward to it. The NuCamp "Avia" Prototype is probably the closest thing to something new/exciting coming from any of the domestic mfr's in years. Even that has some shortcomings. It's like we are stuck in some time warp over here, compared to the exciting modern designs/building techniques they are doing over in the U.K. and Australia. This U.S. RV monopoly has gotten to the point of ridiculousness.
My only complaint is the generator is right behind you on the other side of the bedroom wall, I realize onan is quiet but it's still a generator and your sharing a space with it. It's not going to be unheard when trying to sleep.
Great review- that’s a trailer I never heard of but I really like it and will have to check them out before I make a decision- thanks
All aluminum!!! Get a couple of wings for it and really go places.
I just got quoted $65k on this model (starting at MSRP of $75k). They only have a handful of dealers who "deal in ATC RV's" beyond the "legacy ATC vehicle trailers", so they're really spread across the nation with limited dealers to attempt to work with. For example only 2 dealers in all of Texas and the one nearest me had only one unit in stock to look at. A factory inquiry from me in Texas got a response "passing the inquiry" to a dealer in Idaho. I don't know if people know their geography, but that's a big miss.
While it started at $49k base price, the additions on this unit quickly added up to $25k more in MSRP for competitive features other toy haulers have to drive off the lot at least $35k less than ATC's MSRP (at $40k or often much less, and equally featured) - but the dealer was telling me their pricing is such that they'd be losing money at $55k I suggested I'd pay grudgingly. Their price model competitiveness (big gaps) and dealer scarcity is a real problem for them. The boxes are simple as far as design and manufacturing costs "should" go, no Slides for example and as plain as plain can be relative to other makers' toy haulers, so they really need to get their act together on competitive manufacturing and related pricing, and their dealer network. I'd pay a premium for all aluminum - I guess - but not $20-$30k more. Why would we? Many other "aluminum framed" RV competitors are just as structurally sound, and rot safe.
Finally, regarding this and other toy haulers... for this retiree and his wife, empty nesters who want to bring along their Harley... that doesn't mean we want:
- boy's locker room decor, fit and finish,
- complete lack of counter space, coffee machine space, pantry space, and lack of other creative "livable" design spaces beyond the plain and square aluminum boxes,
- the smallest fridge capacity of any RV designs in the 25-35' length range,
- boy/bachelor's black seating as the only choice,
- cold interiors lacking any sense of warmth, inviting, or living,
- seating where you have to turn your head 90 degrees to kill your neck to watch a TV.
We just want a nice, warm, contemporary "living" RV - that can haul a bike. In this regard, the ATC unit fails more than any toy hauler in providing a stark, utilitarian, boy's locker room fit and finish that my wife hates from the word go, and I don't blame her. In addition to pricing/manufacturing costs and dealer networks, they need to find ways to warm it up and make it more livable. Suggest warm leather in trim and valances ( not black leather!!! ), contemporary finishes in furnishings (not black !!!), and some warm contemporary cabinet door trim levels. And finally, every fricking toy hauler - by every maker - at 25' and 28' have the same floor plans. Get a little creative guys. Think different end users:
OCCUPANCY:
A) big family
B) empty nesters,
GARAGE AREA:
1) 1 Harley,
2) 1 ATV,
3) 3 dirt bikes,
PREFERENCES:
i) Living spaces for different family sizes, livability and warmth vs. utilitarian,
ii) Kitchen/Fridge capacities and needs, counter top space needs,
iii) camping and outdoor gear cargo and storage, kayaks, etc.
... come on, stop just copying each other's same floorplans and get a little creative for meeting different needs. The ATC floor plans are EXACTLY the same as every other toy hauler out there, that are EXACTLY the same as any other.
This is another example of someone that is mad at ATC for doing what they do. This is what ATC builds. There's a reason they cost more. Often, they offer double the carrying capacity, less than half the maintenance and a much better resale value. They're not for everyone and that's not going to change. For those of us that just want a durable toyhauler we don't have to worry about, they're perfect. I don't need to take my house with me or i wouldn't really be camping would I? I've looked extensively at all the other types you've mentioned and i can assure you they're much fluff and little function. Just wait until you take that first trip and have a dozen things to fix! Just thought i needed to rebut some of this nonsense.
I know folks are concerned with winter...I'm curious how all that aluminum handles really hot weather? If your park loses power, does it become even more of a big oven? I have had that happen in a class c. I think this would be a wonderful rv for a mobility challenged person who needs a scooter and a lift chair. Just awesome!
unreal! great content as always
Very nice trailer! I would love to own one. Great video!!
No way I was gonna message you about this and see what you knew and curious of your opinion based on price and all thanks BTBRV YOU ROCK
Insulation in these really sucks, which is a bummer because everything else is perfect. Wish they would double the wall and roof insulation and make the floor spray foam standard.
Wow! That is really nice. Too bad they don't build truck campers.
Very nice, competent review.
That is a nice hauler,
They conveniently set the generator in a hole for ease of service. Not near you when sleeping, except for the head of the bed on the other side of the wall
I need this in a four season package will they make me one snowmobile ready ? With a better living area ? What time are they showing the new fifth wheels and we’re do we see them there website isn’t up to date
that is a really nice trailer but it would be to much for me. I would need just a 14 to 16 foot wolf pup toy hauler with the front bedroom and rounded front end. Great video as always sir.
Me too, wish they would make some 16' to 23', no toy hauler models, same construction though.
@@takayama1638 right on. Yes that is a good trailer to have. I just need the toy hauler because I ride bikes
Like most other toy haulers, it needs a slide out. Also, I wonder if they can retrofit my trailer roof with a piece of Aluminium. 😁
Why does it need a slide out?
@@DavidLabbe Because if they made it 10' wide, you would need a permit to tow it on the road.
@@rmbequipment2159 It's an RV, not meant to be a three bedroom house.
@@DavidLabbe whatever, you win, you dont mind bumping into people in the RV every 10 sec. But as for the rest of us, slides make any RV way easier to live in. I think Airstream is your bag, famous for not making slides except for one model it stopped making 10 years ago.
The bathroom is bigger than my 1st college apartment BR
That’s gotta be the best looking TH I’ve seen.