To think that in a few months when these companies making mini pcs are able to get their hands on a 6900hs we will be able to have basically the same performance on just the tiny PC part without even a GPU, that's super exciting.
The GPU performance of the APU’s will be equivalent to a GTX 1050 or 1050ti. Not impressive in 2022 however a great jump from Vega. It will make a nice small box for emulation and old games.
I'm just sad that those APU replaces low end gpu all together for amd. Many old systems will now have a finite life span despite being perfectly serviceable. thankfully, Intel does have a 75w card lined up, and seems to be targeting 1660super segment.
That PCI connection port is such a good thing, I love to see port which can be divided in the middle, so it (one part of PCI) can be mounted in a laptop 24/7 and have little output spot under.
Enjoyed video on this. I soon going to pair this with a RX6400 and a clamshell hinge design so you can fold it up and put it in your back pocket. There is a reason I too am pursuing small form factor designs so I am glad I found your channel. Thanks!
i am fascinated by mini PCs since 2018 and all of my family members has one. i am always looking new reason to buy one... always first like you video before watching .RUclips should have a like before watch button.
That thing is adorable and my favorite build of yours for some time! If you're someone who just wants a simpler windows desktop that can do a bit of not-the-latest gaming this is a fun option. (I haven't looked at the combined price yet) Sweet!! Could you reconfigure the formfactor to ba as small as poss (for say a bartop arcade build) and do another video just on emu? :) EDIT: Looks like around $550 roughly with a new gt1030, so not a cheap option. Probably best for if you have some of those parts lying around.
Bought one, worked for a day. PSU blew, it is not fit for purpose given the number ports rated at 24w max. The psu failure fried the unit, so left with a plastic door stop.. Whilst it was working performance was acceptable, but the constant noticeable high pitched fan noise was annoying. My original aim was to use the device as a NAS come media centre + xcloud streaming. Observed the unit ran very hot; with “core temp” temp monitor enabled at tjmax -5 deg, the unit shut down after a minute or so of running the cinebench benchmark with a 22c room temp. Idle temps were hitting 50C, normal use loads in the 90s. Learned my lesson, you get what you pay for. Observe there were no certification markings on the device, only on the psu.
Thanks for the review. When you showed the M6 the first time and you showed the M.2 port my mind went like `piu an external gpu` thanks for reading my mind.
Hey great video as always man i love theze videos! Also congratz on the linus shout out that you got for your steamdeck video hell yeah brother! Your getting the attention you deserve.
Hey man I really enjoy your videos, even if it's on content that I'm not particularly interested in. Love the way you review and your presentation in general is a treat. Thanks for making these.
Your creativity and tenacity 👍 inspire adults and children alike. This is jolly wonderful. Thank you. Beautiful family content. This franken-puter is fun to see, "just because you can."
Just confirmed that the new M6 with the N6000 and 16GB also shows up as single-channel (like the N5105). Still love the form factor and the ability to hook up an external GPU like this though.
You should see if you can get your hands on a rtx A2000. It's not a gaming card, but I think it might just beat out your gtx 1650 LP in the same form factor.
@@gvanderlee2703 I never said it was cheap. That is usually the way it works. The smaller and the more powerful a gpu is, generally the more expensive. Add in the fact that it has a relatively niche audience to begin with and you often get diminishing returns and it results and it becomes a pretty expensive piece of hardware. The main advantages I see it having over the gtx 1650 is the increase in memory and dlss. I wish someone would just release an lp 8gb rtx 3050ti card because that would be more ideal and probably more powerful and game ready than the rtx a2000 and probably a whole lot cheaper as well.
@@gvanderlee2703 The APU is a pretty cool and compact concept, but I like to have the flexibility to choose a cpu and gpu in a pc and having them somewhat thermally separated meaning that a heavy cpu and gpu task can run better at the same time. Also an apu can't be made with nVidia graphics. Laptop style integrated mini board options would be better than an apu in my opinon and could potentially fit in almost the same size form factor as an apu solution. Also the cpu and gpu would technically on separate pieces of silicon, which means greater surface area for cooling which equals better temps and performance.
I always seem to like the idea of small PCs like this, that you can tickle with different Operating Systems with such as Andriod x86 or use it as a Low-end gaming PC.
Installing Android, as in real Android not an emulator is a lot more harder, as you need to jump various loops. Especially when you need to jump multiple hoops to get to installing ChromeOS on a PC, and even then, it's not really worth it.
Well I am using PrimeOS (beta 32-bit version) as a Dual Boot, just to use it see how well their desktop Android x86 handles (it's based on android 7.1.2 which I guess sucks nowdays).
Hey ETA PRIME, I've always wondered, when using M.2 to PCI-X adapters like this, is there any performance loss, regardless of which graphics card is being used, or do you get full performance up to a certain point before the graphics card itself has a max output that exceeds the bandwith of the M.2 lane, thus limiting it?
I feel like you could pull the motherboard out of like a one netbook 1GX or something tape it to the back of the GPU then just put the GPU on the desk hiding the tiny motherboard underneath it with the fans and cooler connected to the M.2 slot that's on the 1GX then you could just have a GPU on your desk with a full computer in it
To correct what you said about N6000 being 15w (instead of 10w for N5195). In fact, N6000 is a 6W CPU even if able to go higher clock rate given the spec. But benchmark are giving N6000 more performant despite its lower TDP which is a bit surprising as it is the same 10nm process as the other.
I'm looking at a mini PC with intel j4125. There are 2 versions. One with intel graphics hd 400 with 12gigs and one hd 600 with 8 gigs . Both about the same price. Just wondering what one would perform better. Thanks in advance. Love the channel
Hey, I have a mini pc at home which has a built in pcie slot it uses a external power brick that only has 65wats it does have a USB-c wich can be used for power. Would a rx 6400 work if I connect a 200w laptop charger or pico psu to it would it draw more power? Or would I need to do som jankie pcie riser and a separate psu?
If you want new AAA titles this probably isn't for you. But if you enjoy games a few years old I think you'd be surprised what this will actually play. And as a retro games machine running lakka or something similar I think it would be a great option. And as the heart of a home cinema/streaming set up( which I think it's what it's aimed at in reality) it would be perfect. What else are you going to get at this price? A fire TV cube maybe
Actually you will be surprised on what you can run on these things. I was running Stray (low settings) on a N5105 slim factor without a GPU and it ran okay at 30-60 fps at 720P.
I haven't build ITX yet but I do think an ITX setup can easily match this by having no case and parts stuck together with double sided tape or zip ties
I’m getting ready to setup a new LaunchBox/Bigbox build. Can you do an updated video on fixing input lag? Thank you. I watched your 3 yr old video but I feel with all of the updates, this might have changed
Love little builds like this. Wish AMD or Nvidia would add a CPU to their GPU for all in one system. That's why I'm waiting for Steam Deck bc that's kinda close to what I want
What about doing the same setup with a i5/ryzen 5 mini pc and a low profile single fan 3060? it would be even smaller than this and no issues with bottleneck
Can you try using DXVK to some games and benchmark again cause I think Vulkan might take advantage of powerful GPU. You just need to replace d3d*.DLL file in game folder if you don't want to apply it to entire system.
Question! Is it safe to use a Corsair VS600 psu with Ryzen 5 5600x, RTX 3050CX on a Asus tuf gaming B550M plus motherboard? Or do I have get another psu? Thanks.
i know this is unrelated to this but could you do a video on how to use a controller on android games that dont support controller? ive tried all the apps i could find but only Octopus works and you have to pay to use it with Genshin Impact.
Hey ETA PRIME, you mentioned that there wasn't a mini PC with the N6000 yet, but there is an intel nuc I came across with the N6005 - NUC11ATKPE (And SimplyNUC does have it for sale). I came across the NUC11ATKPE since I am looking to build a small proxmox cluster for a home-lab that doesn't consume a lot of power.
I think he meant in the sub-NUC style that this M6 type PC truly is, there are NUC style miniPCs with N6000, but none of them that I know of are this pocketable.
@@mikebond6698 thank you for enlighening me to it, and yes it would be interesting to see when ETA does make a video about it and its attachment to this GPU. Unfortunately, it's not as small and pocketable as this M6 though.
Take me down to bottleneck city, where the frames are slow and the pixels are pretty
LOL!!
Oh, please take me home
I can hear that song in my head
Nice I miss the burnout games
I hate that
"It's alive!!!" I swear, you have my dream job. I'm infatuated with mini pcs because of your channel. I have one connected to every TV in my house.
Are they all different mini PC's?
@@Bright623 Yes. Intel NUC, Beelink, and 1 custom build.
@@marcushopkins2290 def have one on the Christmas list.
i dream to have one with RNDA 2 with 6 cores but at least working with 60w
Share with me (MR.experience) the best mini PC with 2TB NVMe drive & 32 G Ram if those are upgradable, let’s share the love
To think that in a few months when these companies making mini pcs are able to get their hands on a 6900hs we will be able to have basically the same performance on just the tiny PC part without even a GPU, that's super exciting.
The GPU performance of the APU’s will be equivalent to a GTX 1050 or 1050ti. Not impressive in 2022 however a great jump from Vega. It will make a nice small box for emulation and old games.
I'm just sad that those APU replaces low end gpu all together for amd. Many old systems will now have a finite life span despite being perfectly serviceable. thankfully, Intel does have a 75w card lined up, and seems to be targeting 1660super segment.
That PCI connection port is such a good thing, I love to see port which can be divided in the middle, so it (one part of PCI) can be mounted in a laptop 24/7 and have little output spot under.
Enjoyed video on this. I soon going to pair this with a RX6400 and a clamshell hinge design so you can fold it up and put it in your back pocket. There is a reason I too am pursuing small form factor designs so I am glad I found your channel. Thanks!
i am fascinated by mini PCs since 2018 and all of my family members has one. i am always looking new reason to buy one... always first like you video before watching .RUclips should have a like before watch button.
can't wait for your review of the Minisforum Elitemini B550. i'm targeting that for my gaming replacement...
It should be on the way now, I’ll have a video soon
I am wondering if this box also supports ECC... ?!
Do you think the B550 will bottleneck a 3080 ti ?
I was about to add exactly the same comment when the advertisement of the B550 popped up on my screen.
It's actually quite impressive what that CPU can do. Pretty cool.
That thing is adorable and my favorite build of yours for some time!
If you're someone who just wants a simpler windows desktop that can do a bit of not-the-latest gaming this is a fun option. (I haven't looked at the combined price yet)
Sweet!!
Could you reconfigure the formfactor to ba as small as poss (for say a bartop arcade build) and do another video just on emu? :)
EDIT: Looks like around $550 roughly with a new gt1030, so not a cheap option. Probably best for if you have some of those parts lying around.
Bought one, worked for a day. PSU blew, it is not fit for purpose given the number ports rated at 24w max. The psu failure fried the unit, so left with a plastic door stop.. Whilst it was working performance was acceptable, but the constant noticeable high pitched fan noise was annoying. My original aim was to use the device as a NAS come media centre + xcloud streaming.
Observed the unit ran very hot; with “core temp” temp monitor enabled at tjmax -5 deg, the unit shut down after a minute or so of running the cinebench benchmark with a 22c room temp. Idle temps were hitting 50C, normal use loads in the 90s. Learned my lesson, you get what you pay for. Observe there were no certification markings on the device, only on the psu.
Thanks for the review. When you showed the M6 the first time and you showed the M.2 port my mind went like `piu an external gpu` thanks for reading my mind.
It really helps if you hide the power supplies out of frame.
Hey great video as always man i love theze videos! Also congratz on the linus shout out that you got for your steamdeck video hell yeah brother! Your getting the attention you deserve.
He is a "tinkle master"....yeah, that was cool to hear ETA mentioned during Techlinked like that.
ETA make GPU go BRRRRRRR!!!
6:04 Now we have m6 with the N6005
Hey man I really enjoy your videos, even if it's on content that I'm not particularly interested in. Love the way you review and your presentation in general is a treat. Thanks for making these.
Your creativity and tenacity 👍 inspire adults and children alike. This is jolly wonderful. Thank you. Beautiful family content. This franken-puter is fun to see, "just because you can."
Congrats on the LTT shout out!
Looks badass, you're really good!
That’s insane- I still can’t wrap my mind around it
Just confirmed that the new M6 with the N6000 and 16GB also shows up as single-channel (like the N5105). Still love the form factor and the ability to hook up an external GPU like this though.
Would have been great to see how much extra sauce you can get from this mini PC tweaking it with Throttlestop.
Skyrim will forever be in my top 3 favorite games its top tier
Really awesome content! Each video is more interesting than the last.
You should see if you can get your hands on a rtx A2000. It's not a gaming card, but I think it might just beat out your gtx 1650 LP in the same form factor.
Revoc cases did a build with rocket lake and that exact gpu, super small and super awesome
At 3 times the price it better does ;)
@@gvanderlee2703 I never said it was cheap. That is usually the way it works. The smaller and the more powerful a gpu is, generally the more expensive. Add in the fact that it has a relatively niche audience to begin with and you often get diminishing returns and it results and it becomes a pretty expensive piece of hardware.
The main advantages I see it having over the gtx 1650 is the increase in memory and dlss.
I wish someone would just release an lp 8gb rtx 3050ti card because that would be more ideal and probably more powerful and game ready than the rtx a2000 and probably a whole lot cheaper as well.
@@_shadow_1 true, I actually hope the Ryzen 6000 APU will approach the gtx 1650.
@@gvanderlee2703 The APU is a pretty cool and compact concept, but I like to have the flexibility to choose a cpu and gpu in a pc and having them somewhat thermally separated meaning that a heavy cpu and gpu task can run better at the same time. Also an apu can't be made with nVidia graphics. Laptop style integrated mini board options would be better than an apu in my opinon and could potentially fit in almost the same size form factor as an apu solution. Also the cpu and gpu would technically on separate pieces of silicon, which means greater surface area for cooling which equals better temps and performance.
I always seem to like the idea of small PCs like this, that you can tickle with different Operating Systems with such as Andriod x86 or use it as a Low-end gaming PC.
That would be cool except for the fact that Android is ARM based not x86
@@LiminalSpaceMan192 Theres a version of x86 but actually is stucked in android 9 i believe.
Installing Android, as in real Android not an emulator is a lot more harder, as you need to jump various loops. Especially when you need to jump multiple hoops to get to installing ChromeOS on a PC, and even then, it's not really worth it.
Well I am using PrimeOS (beta 32-bit version) as a Dual Boot, just to use it see how well their desktop Android x86 handles (it's based on android 7.1.2 which I guess sucks nowdays).
This is utterly ridiculous, I love it
the GTX 1650: look at me i'm the pc now
This is why I Like This Channel. Regards from indonesia.
its almost like your VGA was able to run Windows os, and play games.
its interesting if Nvidia working on it.
Hey ETA PRIME, I've always wondered, when using M.2 to PCI-X adapters like this, is there any performance loss, regardless of which graphics card is being used, or do you get full performance up to a certain point before the graphics card itself has a max output that exceeds the bandwith of the M.2 lane, thus limiting it?
you doing emu showcase? o.o i kinda want this. i love the way you set it up w the egpu. bless you man
I feel like you could pull the motherboard out of like a one netbook 1GX or something tape it to the back of the GPU then just put the GPU on the desk hiding the tiny motherboard underneath it with the fans and cooler connected to the M.2 slot that's on the 1GX then you could just have a GPU on your desk with a full computer in it
Always amazing broo 😎
This rig is so cool.
This is probably the cutest pc I've ever seen
So cool, its the fun of making it work!
honestly love how this looks with the gpu stand
Me too
It's a graphics card with a mini PC attachment. Sweet form factor!
To correct what you said about N6000 being 15w (instead of 10w for N5195).
In fact, N6000 is a 6W CPU even if able to go higher clock rate given the spec.
But benchmark are giving N6000 more performant despite its lower TDP which is a bit surprising as it is the same 10nm process as the other.
Probably better binned chips. These Celerons only get the worst silicon.
Lowspecgaming must be beaming with pride for you right now.
Amazing I never knew you could connect a GPU to an M.2 slot.
Only issue is that it is limited to x4 bandwidth, since that is all an nvme slot can provide
Thanks ETA!! I think the 1650 is comparable/a bit better than the T600. Much appreciated review. 👍
Why I can't be the first one to see your amazing videos. 😁 love you brother
Which Monitor is that? It looks so clean and beautiful
I love your videos and I love skyrim.
I'm looking at a mini PC with intel j4125. There are 2 versions. One with intel graphics hd 400 with 12gigs and one hd 600 with 8 gigs . Both about the same price. Just wondering what one would perform better.
Thanks in advance.
Love the channel
Hey, I have a mini pc at home which has a built in pcie slot it uses a external power brick that only has 65wats it does have a USB-c wich can be used for power. Would a rx 6400 work if I connect a 200w laptop charger or pico psu to it would it draw more power? Or would I need to do som jankie pcie riser and a separate psu?
gonna buy one of these mini pc and connect it to a 3080 and play retro games.
Amazing video as always,,,name of this Monitor ???
Mini PC: *Has M.2 Slot*
This guy: "RTX fits here"
I love your reviews
Hell ya, good stuff
Nice Frankenstein job lol
If you want new AAA titles this probably isn't for you.
But if you enjoy games a few years old I think you'd be surprised what this will actually play.
And as a retro games machine running lakka or something similar I think it would be a great option.
And as the heart of a home cinema/streaming set up( which I think it's what it's aimed at in reality) it would be perfect.
What else are you going to get at this price? A fire TV cube maybe
Actually you will be surprised on what you can run on these things. I was running Stray (low settings) on a N5105 slim factor without a GPU and it ran okay at 30-60 fps at 720P.
I haven't build ITX yet but I do think an ITX setup can easily match this by having no case and parts stuck together with double sided tape or zip ties
I’m getting ready to setup a new LaunchBox/Bigbox build. Can you do an updated video on fixing input lag? Thank you. I watched your 3 yr old video but I feel with all of the updates, this might have changed
The Frankenstein of tech
My dream for ten years is a tablet like this that you can use portable and play emulator games and hook it to gpu when you come home and rock it.
Love little builds like this. Wish AMD or Nvidia would add a CPU to their GPU for all in one system. That's why I'm waiting for Steam Deck bc that's kinda close to what I want
It's funny to see a GPU bigger than the computer.
I'm only here to see what you'll attach a GPU to next lol...its impressive to see these little machines play some of these games
I love this channel
The SilverStone Technology 350 Watt Flex ATX PS is about the size of a laptop psu. I’m powering an RTX3070 with one.
I love these videos.
Because we can!
more like: because we click lmao
Very interesting experiment! Wondering how much it would improve the game play if it was in dual channel mode
Can you do a video on changing the processor on this to something like an i7 8550u? or someting similar with same socket size as a N5105
if that pc had a 12 gen i3 then it would be a great little machine
If the ram wasn't soldered on it'd be even better
great setup man, is there any other small pc that you could plug the same way with a better cpu??
Please test an AMD mini PC with the Athlon 300U. It's a 2C4T topping out at 3.3GHz that supports nvme and it supports two 3200MHz ram slots.
What about doing the same setup with a i5/ryzen 5 mini pc and a low profile single fan 3060? it would be even smaller than this and no issues with bottleneck
Can you try using DXVK to some games and benchmark again cause I think Vulkan might take advantage of powerful GPU. You just need to replace d3d*.DLL file in game folder if you don't want to apply it to entire system.
It's driving me nuts. Who makes the keyboard in the thumbnail? Is it stock keycaps or after market?
Do you mean the Nuphy Air75?
@@Incommensurabilities TY! I got one from amazon for $130 to add to my collection.
@@MyChannel-vm6dw awesome 😅 I think there's a video on the channel about it since people kept asking, though I guess you'll find out soon anyway
Can it run DOOM?
If so, then can it run Crysis?
can you pair that graphic card with the deskmini and the Ryzen 5700g please?
we want to see more about the deskmini please...
Cud you please made couple tests with GT-1030(gddr5)?
Author plz provide information that the ADT-LINK u used is PCI X4 or X3 speed model?
Is it safe to assume that it performs like a Deck or similar?
This mini PC beats my core i7 Laptop, although my laptop only have 960m
What is the point of testing performance in games, when you have set a frame-cap in most of games?
Dang. I really want a small gaming PC but nobody really makes them.
do you still have the mini n6000 could you test it with the same setup?
Play Enderal on that tiny thing if you like Skyrim!
I wonder how this mini-rig will handle emulation. I think PS2 is as far as it will go.
Couldn’t you have put the pc beneath the graphics card to make the footprint/appearance even smaller?
Question! Is it safe to use a Corsair VS600 psu with Ryzen 5 5600x, RTX 3050CX on a Asus tuf gaming B550M plus motherboard? Or do I have get another psu? Thanks.
I already knew that u will run GTA 5 :)
I've purchased a 16GB version; it isn't running on a dual-channel
i know this is unrelated to this but could you do a video on how to use a controller on android games that dont support controller? ive tried all the apps i could find but only Octopus works and you have to pay to use it with Genshin Impact.
Hey ETA PRIME, you mentioned that there wasn't a mini PC with the N6000 yet, but there is an intel nuc I came across with the N6005 - NUC11ATKPE (And SimplyNUC does have it for sale). I came across the NUC11ATKPE since I am looking to build a small proxmox cluster for a home-lab that doesn't consume a lot of power.
I think he meant in the sub-NUC style that this M6 type PC truly is, there are NUC style miniPCs with N6000, but none of them that I know of are this pocketable.
@@Eccentrus You should take a look at SimplyNUC searching for NUC11ATKPE, it's a slimmer NUC. I am not sure if you have seen this one before.
@@mikebond6698 thank you for enlighening me to it, and yes it would be interesting to see when ETA does make a video about it and its attachment to this GPU. Unfortunately, it's not as small and pocketable as this M6 though.
Nifty idea .... Bit dodgy around pets and kids haha 🤣
doesn't nvdia have a frame limiter like amd ? try to max fps to 50fps for the witcher 3
What is retrobat is it more powerful than botecera iam waiting for your reply
Is it possible to build custom handheld using M6 mini pc with some cheap small screen attached to it?
Can you try running a LLM on this please 🙏.
Will this run 4k virtual pinball? Thanks in advance!
The CPU bottleneck would be insane
mad lad 😘 it's perfect
Assuming this would do fine with emulation up to ps2? Maybe wii?