Black Powder vs Smokeless Powder Chapter 2: more education on the Old West!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- A little fun and a little "edumakation" about gunpowder!
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AliasSLH There are so many modern powders with vastly different burn rates so there isn't an easy answer for a quick equivalency. With 45 Colt for instance you could use 8-8.5 gr. of Unique to duplicate the black powder loads.
Around 16 min he talks about it
Make a video with Sniper Dragunov
hickok45 lol great guns you has my favorite is the 5 shot black powder. I loves the black powder guns so much nostalgia 💕👌🔫🐺
Even with an equivalent load velocity-wise, the pressure curve is different. Risky business.
'I'mma get me a loud muffler in my next life, i'm going to ride around and i'm gunna impress the girls' - The finest Hickok45 quote of all time
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it is easy to forget the man behind the camera. Fantastic work, you always know where to aim the lens so we can get the best view of the action! Great work!!
But sometimes John gets the second hand smoke and forgets to zoom on the long shots .lol
We do what we do Hickok ! 😆 I am retired, so I go to the range when all the younger guys are at work. 😎LIFE IS GOOD 👍🔫
I'm 24 tryin to get my wife to accompany to the gun range.
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I'am about to retire 1 week of work left. Woo Hoo
Joseph Rash
Congrats!! I can't wait!! Haha
Jose Ramirez , buy her a little. 22lr hand gun and she'll get hooked in no time. .😉
Joseph Rash ,enjoy ! 👍😆
Hahaha the muffler sarcasm. I hate those people too lol
I noticed I haven't heard Mr Muffler Man in any of Hickok's recent videos. Maybe he finally took care of that noisy idiot once and for all.
Nothing like the smell of gunpowder on a Friday night.
Ya, rotten eggs :D
Hickok can smoke pots with smokeless powder.
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Gage Lawrence that's true gift.
I love all of your videos with old guns, particularly revolvers. Shooting single action and black powder is just too much fun.
"1887" the year Hickok was born.
No, I was 25 and hanging out in the Tombstone, Arizona, saloons by then!
Hahaha! I see you were brought up well then.
Jesse James must have been your uncle.
hickok45 lol
One goes BANG the other goes BOOM.
I'm from Brazil, I found it very interesting, your channel has great content. One more subscriber!!!
Got to love those classic SAA revolvers!! 😍
Tell me about it, I would love to own a. 45 colt but am curious about which modern day revolver is best.
I would probably go with the ruger vaquero myself, or if you want an exact copy, the Uberti reproductions are very nice! 👍🏻
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Thanks i was set on those two but wasnt sure which of those two was the best reproduction of the original.
A few years ago I pulled out my late fathers black powder revolvers (old Peitta's from the 70's and 80's) and one of them was locked up stuck. He failed to take it completely apart when he cleaned it, Navy Arms Pietta 1851 replica and the BP residue had gummed up the on the cylinder pin and the cylinder was stuck solid on the pin. It was a brass frame too so I felt I had to be real careful about jarring it apart lol. I had to soak that sucker for weeks and still had to carefully pop it loose. They definitely need to be thoroughly cleaned!! Love your channel!
I just love your Colt single actions Hickok, to me they're just about the most beautiful handguns ever made. And as always, enjoyed the video. Thank You........
i'm always amazed that this guy can pick up any gun and shoot and hit at just about %100.stuff that he has not seen before because it's a "try out" or in his back load or a gift,and over iron sights.
Black Powder residue is 'hygroscopic.' That means that it absorbs moisture from the air and holds it against the steel, making rust a certainty. More modern solvents can deal with it, but it used to respond only to very hot, soapy water followed by lots of oil. Cleaning sessions were long and difficult.
Smokeless powder started out as 'Guncotton,' the earliest form of nitrocellulose, which blew apart a lot of guns that were not made to handle the higher pressures.
Videos just never get old I'll say. Hell I just have them running when I need background noise, rather than the TV or something else. Thanks Hickok and son. Great work
Two incredible pieces of art! Especially the blackpowder rascal! Mr. Hickok45, you are right! Life is really good!
History lessons are my favorite hickock45 videos.
Just to add on what Hickok is saying. In the 1880s The french devolped both a smokeless cartridge and rifle that can withstand the the pressures of smokeless powder and they came up with the Lebel Rifle. France was head of the game for awhile till all the other countries found out how to do it or so. Therefore we adopted our first smokeless powder rifle. The Krag- Jorgesen. Then John Browning did his own tinkering and the Winchester Model 1893 turned into the famous Winchester model 1897.
Smokeless powder is more Volatile than blackpowder. Burns Slower but creates more heat and pressure.
I smiled at the muffler comment
This makes me want to play Red Dead Redemption 2
I wonder if like Detroit, they put out the 87's in like the fall of 86? So Dude buys in say November 86, sticks a quarter in it. Probably thinking, some schoolteacher will end up with this and I'll mess his mind good!
I was thinking that I don't have any 1800 coins laying around. he was probably just happy to find one close enough. lol
ledzeppelin27 I'm pretty sure the dude who put the quarter in was around in 86, so it couldn't have been too hard
Kudos to the first two cowboy headshots 👍🏻 and the muffler comment had me dying 🤣😂
I learn so much from your close up camera work, and attention to detail.
With SPG lube on your bullets and Wonder Wads on top of your powder you can shoot many more rounds without accuracy deterioration. Much easier clean up also. Works well!
I was just thinking about this a week ago and you have answered it. Thank you so much.
I really enjoy the videos about the old black powder firearms. I think the extra clean up time is well worth the enjoyment!
I have recently began watching a few more of you videos and they are great. Well Done!
Interesting video, would love to have a Colt SAA but they are not easy to get hold of in Europe! A real classic piece!:)
Just like every firearms enthusiast, I love watching your videos.
I've had the UMC ammo Gunk up my 357 revolver in less than a hundred rounds. It was so bad after 50 rounds the cylinder was sticking and did not want to turn. And there was a lot of unspent powder in the casings that I ejected.
The only reason I bought that ammo was because it was available back when ammo shortages were in full effect. I don't know how many people remember now but there was lots of time where you could not buy ammo to save your life.
I like how he’s walking and all you can here is the beautiful sound of gun shells
love your videos yours are the best honest and straight forward. can you tell me the dementions of your shooting range? thanks and keep making those videos.
About a year ago, I was shooting my vaquero in .45 Colt out back. About 24 rounds. Air was fairly still. Using American Pioneer BP sub. Left a big cloud of white smoke out in the woods that was still out there by the time I was through after 5 minutes and went back up to the house. Pointed it out to my mother-in-law out the back window. It very very slowly drifted out if the woods over the pond and almost hovered over the pond for another 5-10 minutes before it finally completely moved on across the property line and dissipated. Looked kinds spooky if you didn’t know what it was.
I think u r one of the best youtuber that shows guns
Love the old single action revlovers
Best gun channel on the net, period.
thanks Hickok! love the old stuff!
Enjoy the education. Sir.
Two kinds of fun . Both smokeless and black powder were well explained. Who could have possibly imaged that you could do that and make it fun as well . :-) Happy Holidays to you and your family.
One of your best videos sir. Thank you.
Thank you so much for all of your work and yet another awesome video.
Real gunpowder (black powder) cleans up easily with water. Soapy water is better and hot soapy water is best. A nylon bore brush and hot soapy water and an old toothbrush will get it clean in a jiffy. Ballistol added to the water is a good thing to prevent rust as a coating is left after the hot water evaporates. With proper bullet lube a revolver should not foul , out (what Hickok describes as losing accuracy due to hard fouling in barrel) if you are using period correct bullets with generous lube holding capacity. Rifles with longer barrels even challenge proper black powder era designed bullets and lube but there are bullet designs now that serve far better. Great fun!
I'm not sure where i stand when it comes to firearms of course i do not own a gun but i alway thought that the colt was one of the most beautiful works of art I've ever seen.
I agree.
Lovin the emblem in the white grips that looks like the base of a .45 cartridge. AWESOME. :D
I wonder how much people really practiced shooting their SAA's back in the 1800's. One clue may be the fact that a box of ammo contained just 6 rounds. Another awesome video.
I've not seen those boxes; I've seen the old 50-rd boxes.
I guess I was thinking of the cap and ball rounds, Thanks for the reply.
We do nothing but watch Hickok videos
I just love these videos with both history and safe family fun shooting.
Agree that shooters often have a mistaken idea that black powder's lower pressure makes it less powerful. Black powder has a longer burn time and can actually achieve higher velocity than smokeless powder limited to the same pressure peak. I acquired an online copy of the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde handgun tests; the 1904 chart of cartridges used listed early smokeless 45 Colt UMC ammo as barely around 700 fps (250 gr bullet) at a time when Remington factory 45 Colt ammo loaded with 40 grs of black powder would hit well over 900 fps from a 4.75" Colt SA barrel (Elmer Keith in SIXGUNS). The same 1904 chart listed the .476 Webley at 729 fps with a 288 gr bullet even though the charge was only 18 grs Black Powder. The British apparently used extremely fine grain black powder (5Fg) in revolver cartridges, which is how the .476 288gr bullet could achieve 729 fps, even with a low 18 gr charge. In THE GUN, (W. W. Greener, 1910 edition) on page 552, is a picture of black powder granulations then in use; the "revolver powder" illustrated is the finest grained of all illustrated, and appears to be about 5Fg as it is even finer grained than the Swiss 4Fg I have on hand to compare.
Thanks for educating us 😂🎉
There is a slow burning Smokeless powder that comes close to the black powder pressure curve - 5774 if I remember correctly, but that may not be right. It was the smokeless powder that Savage allowed to be used in their black powder rifle. Savage changed their mind as someone still managed to blow their gun up and chose to sue Savage rather than take responsibility for their own error.
Are there any smokeless powders that have the same pressure curves as black powder?
Meaning smokeless that could be safely fired in an old gun, or a reproduction not rated for regular smokeless.
Ben Nope!!
Ben check into “trail boss” powder. I think it does
LivelikeIdaho trail boss is where it’s at. I’ve known people to load it and use it in bp only firearms. It was designed for cowboy action shooting to emulate bp but non corrosive and relatively smokeless. Of course before you take my advice check with the manufacturer.
Trail Boss is a very low density smokless powder. Each granule has a hole in it so they look like little doughnuts. Because it is so low in density it takes more volume of powder to equal other powders with a similar burn rate. It is used to allow the reloader to more completely fill a case with a reduced power load there-by eliminating potential ignition problems with lite loads. It is not a replacement for "black powder" it is still a smokeless powder.
Do your research with the BP subs, some of them like Blackthorn 209 are meant to be used only with modern in-line hunting rifles. I'm not sure I'd even use 777 in a 19th century gun. Works great for repros, though, fouling isn't an issue at all, but it doesn't feel or sound quite like BP and worst of ll the smoke doesn't smell like brimstone!
Trail Boss is NOT a BP substitute. It was designed to be used for pipsqueak smokeless loads for competitors who want less recoil. (You can only reduce the amount of powder so far before the case isn't full enough for reliable ignition.) You get less velocity and recoil but the pressure curve is still like smokeless.
How can people dislike any of your videos!!! I love all these videos
Great demo hickock45! Thanks
Love, Love, Love!! Keep doing the Colt SAA and Colt Frontier Six Shooter videos! I will always watch you shoot them no matter what the topic is :)
Thanks for doing this video. I almost passed it up, but I learned a few things that were quite interesting. Thanks!
Wait a minute, did you say you "almost passed it up"? You "ALMOST PASSED IT UP!" We need to have a serious talk with you, it appears. Nobody passes up our videos and lives to tell the story! :-)
G-g-g-g-gulp! Not brown-nosing here, but I'm a huge fan of the work you and your son do. Keep bringing it on ;~}
I'm very much into guns now. Have been since seriously since 2012. I have so many hobbies. 1st love motocross racing then guns followed by electric rc jets & planes, fishing. But I'm back into guns again, ammo is so readily available now even with current events. Thank for the video and sorry for the life story 🤣
I can imagine in the olden days drawn out gunfights would just be a cloud of smoke floating around 😂😂😂
Aint nothing like coming home stinking of rotten eggs and covered in soot
That sir, is an 1886 Seated Liberty Dime... nice coin for collectors.
I knew that but forgot for a second.
Hickok is like the most badass grandpa ever
Hickok45 is the bob ross of guns
Just realized that so far, I haven't run across any discussion of black powder vs smokeless powder in the various .22 rimfire cartridges, given how long ago they started out.
I approve of your choice in firearms Mr 45.
Everyone should’ve a colt saa. First one i’d buy. Just beautifull.
You know how much I LIIIIIIIIIIIIKE IT.
These are my favorite videos. I'm a sucker for a beautiful colt SAA..
HICKOK 45 is the best youtuber in the world
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I would LOVE to see you shooting the Kolibri,maybe It's impossible because they don't make ammo for it anymore,but It'd be cool
"Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself.
Merriam-Webster "Black powder" first known use 1793.
J Riley, technically, the first recorded usage of black powder/gunpowder was around the 10th century in China.
The use of the term "black powder". Not the use of black powder.
J Riley, my mistake, I should've guessed that from the quotation marks you used in the first comment.
Excellent
In a thousand years when they dig up hickoks compound and find all them shells on the ground, they are going to say, "damn, must have been one hell of a gun slinger here with all these classic shells".
Hey Hickok45 the reason they put in 1886 instead of 87 was because when they built the gun all they had was 1886 coins and it had just turned 18 87 good reason huh Hickok45 your videos are the best keep them up
I think it was put in later. The coin fell out at the end of this video, and the back side was as worn as the front side. Being the genius and brilliant detective that I am, I deduced from that that the coin had been carried around and used for several years before landing in this grip. If I'd thought it was put in there when the gun was made, I have left it. I bought one like it dated 1887 and replaced it.
That's a good answer you deduced for more information that you have and thank you for responding to me you're actually the first RUclipsr that has responded to me very much appreciate it I will continue to watch your videos and keep them up tell your kids I said what up your kid should go is Hickok 380 LOL
Black powder era ended in 1887 the first smokeless powder rifle was adopted in 1887.
Can you guys do a tear down and cleaning of a BP revolver? I’d like to have a details video of that. Thank you guys!
if not mistaken black powder 45's propelled a 250gr bullet to just under 1000fps yet todays smokeless loads w/ that energy are considered too high pressure for even modern saa's. are black powder loads the only option for self defense in an saa?
Another excellent video thanks
Love this!!!
The 45 Colt wasn't reduced. The Scofield was adopted as a secondary standard, at IT was less (around that 30 grains you mentioned). The soldiers soon started asking the sutlers for the "long" 45 because it was stronger and this is what gave the Colt it's name of "long Colt" - soldiers asking for the longer round.
The originals were also balloon head cases and those will hold 40 grains, but modern cases are web head and will only hold 35 grains if the load is compressed - 30 grains is more realistic if you don't want to compress the load. But again this is because of modern case design, not because of another reason. The 38-40, and the 44-40 also held 40 grains of black powder in the original cases, and are equally reduced in capacity because of modern case design.
As an aside, I truly think the Scofield would have fared much better if Smith had chambered it for the 45 Colt round.
Your the best Hickok!
Great video, as always, Hickok. Nice to see that smoke. Hickok, have you ever got your hands on a .44 AutoMag? I would love to see you review it wearing your Dirty Harry shirt and tie.
I love the smell of black powder. lol get home from the range an I can still smell it all day lol
Beautiful Colts the handle on the older one luv it only if it could talk what a story it would tell
Black powder fouling building up is a big problem with hunting guns especially. You fire one shot, reload, go track the animal and then you might miss because of the fouling.
More lube. I use Maxi-balls that carry a ton of bore butter and the fouling is much less of a problem than with patched round balls.
Thank you life is good bud
Hay hickok nice demostration pal i have a small request could you review BFR 45-70 hand revolver canon as it is the beast of all revolvers...thx
I think I’m gonna watch this one again! (It’s a good one). :)
Not sure but I think that. all else fixed ( same case, same projectile, same barrel length the only way to have the same power is to have the same pressure ie... identical pressure curve).
Not true at all. You can have very different powders loaded to achieve the same velocity in particular gun with very different pressure curves. Mostly it depends on the burn rate of the powder. The burn rate of smokeless depends much more on the pressure than it does for black, but generally, when confined (as in a gun barrel) smokeless burns much faster than black so you get a big pressure spike very soon after ignition.
Btw, load that give identical velocity in one gun may have different velocities from each other in a different gun chambered in the same cartridge. BP takes longer to burn so all else being equal extra barrel length will make more difference to BP loads than to smokeless loads in the same cartridge. That's why all those old Kentucky rifles were 5-6' long. With a smokeless load a barrel that long wouldn't give you much extra velocity over a shorter barrel.
Smokeless powder is the best!
Hicock45, I would love to have a Colt single action. I just don't have that kind of money anymore, but i do have my Dads Ruger New Vaqeuro 357 mag and that is a sweet gun. You and your family have a great Christmas
Hickok have you ever thought of testing a Korth revolver?
The camera work keeps getting better. Go hickock
I understand loading 5 if you're carrying it. but if at the range you are literally loading then shooting. why load only 5?
Six is fine if you are loading and shooting, but I have developed the habit of loading five and just stick with it. Plus, we have millions of people watching, so it's good to continue to demonstrate the safe method for loading these old action revolvers. If I need more capacity, I can always grab a Glock and one of my 33-rd magazines. :-)
hickok45 fair enough
Love your channel one question what is the average Thickness of your Targets, Or what should be the minimum thickness of your plates I want to custom Fabricate some targets, I made a few 22 cal targets years ago I used 1/4 " cold rolled, I subscribed to your channel and am looking forward to future videos,
Interesting video. Thanks
What type of lube are you using on your 44-40 black powder handloads? A smokeless powder lube on the bullets will not clean away black powder fouling at all. I use Beeswax/Coconut Oil (90/10 ratio), and the bore always stays fairly clean even at 60 or more rounds. I'm using 36grs FFFg (Swiss) and 255gr Lee 452-255-RF in 45 Colt in a 5.5" Uberti SAA clone. Quite a powerful load (1000+ fps). All I ever do while shooting is put a drop of Ballistol at cylinder bearing points front and rear as needed, roughly after every 3rd or 4th cylinder (18-24 rounds). Lubes used on original ammo were a beeswax/animal tallow, which I'm sure would work as well as the beeswax/coconut oil I make my lube with.
I ordered these .44-40 BP rounds from Buffalo Arms. I have loaded a lot of .45 Colt BP rounds. I have used SPG lube, beeswax, etc. in loading my own; however, at one point when I was shooting quite a few Cowboy Action matches, I decided to just try loading the same cast bullets I used for everything else with the usual lube for smokeless powder.
They worked fine. As long as I'd spray down the firearm a bit occasionally between stages of fire, I had no problems. Since sometimes there would be an hour or more between firing the next stage, I'd have done that anyway to make sure the BP residue was staying soft there in the sun for so long. It was simpler than sizing and lubing my own bullets with special lube, by a long shot! I don't recommend this, but it worked for me.