Here is a link to the fascinating true story of the Woman who invented the modern Aquarium Hobby & Marine Ecology ruclips.net/video/sLTqF75Hp3Y/видео.html Overlooked and downplayed for 250 years, her story should be share. Jeanne Villapreux-Powers
This was one the first of videos I saw of your work. I was so impressed with the history and information you shared. I write academic papers regularly, I understand the amount of research it takes! Kudos. And that she was a woman like I am. It was so awesome to see you recognize a woman's contribution to the hobby. Well done!!
Speaking of videos to put ads into, 🤣. I watched the video on your Facebook page so maybe you already added them here. 5 mins , AD , 5 mins , AD.... Etc etc.. oh brother.. At least everyone got to be ....AD! This is rich 🤑😂
I'm so sorry, but I'm about to be quite long-winded. This was really personal to me. The tactics (manipulation, lies, gaslighting, condescension) he was using throughout this video were EXACTLY the same tactics my abusive, narcissistic ex used on me for a couple of years. This behavior is absolutely unacceptable and is an example of the #1 problem that plagues our hobby IMO. Hobbyists come here to learn- and when someone who is supposed to be a leader/influencer in this hobby treats others like this and outright refuses to admit when they're wrong, it really turns people off. They don't want to be a part of this hobby if the guys at the top are more concerned about proving someone wrong instead of continually learning, bettering yourself, learning the different methods for keeping an aquarium, being humble, and willing to accept it when you are wrong. Just because you have status does not mean you are always right, and it DEFINITELY does not give you a license to treat others like sh1t. I will never watch Joey's videos after seeing this. The amount of times he called himself a genius, the best of the best, etc etc. Then, he claimed that YOU said that???! He said it far more times than you did. I'm honestly shocked at how you kept your composure during this interaction. You're already my favorite aquarist RUclipsr, but I have to say, this makes me admire you even more. Thank you for uploading this and standing your ground. If he never talks to you again, then good. The trash took itself out. If only this video would be seen by all of his subscribers. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone here doesn't care if you put ads in or not. He just hates the idea of someone else not putting money at the forefront. He feels guilty about it. What he said ("but everyone puts ads in, just do the same as everyone else") is literally the definition of being a sellout. Thank you for being brave, humble, and honest.
Thank you for your thoughtful response to all this. I too grew up with and had been in relationships with people using the same gaslighting narcism unfortunately. But i was fed up being nice when he said "pshh a woman couldnt have... well it WAS NOT A WOMAN pssh haha"... it just made me realize i shouldnt have even platformed him more. He filed a lawsuit against me, got my channel banned permanently (finally i was able to appeal it thanks to help from some bigger channels that helped appeal the ruling.) But he threatened me and my wife.... also switched to name calling and offering me $5,000 to delete it... on and on for nearly 3 weeks. Anyhow others had screenshot recoreded it and were making highlight reels of it...which isnt fair either... so im glad i held my ground against his requests to delete it then and there. Thanks for your support and compassion. Im sorry youve been the recipient of the same sort of abuse. You know you're right, and you're strong for getting passed that. Have a great week. Cheers, Alex.
@The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium They sure come for everything you have once you've exposed them without their mask. The good thing about having had those experiences in the past is that our alarm bells start ringing earlier than someone who doesn't recognize the traits of a narcissist. I saw right through it within the first couple minutes of the video. You did the right thing by challenging him and not bending over, yet continuously being incredibly respectful. Seeing you stand up to him like that was amazing, because I was always too scared to stand up for myself. You're going places Alex. I'm sure everyone can see that you're a person with a lot of integrity. You're exactly the type of leader we need in this hobby. Take care of yourself.
@bl0pez772 what speaks the loudest about his character is the fact that the guy nearly ended up in prison for the rest of his life for attempted murder..
Funny how some people gain perspective and compassion through their own diversity. They and you Alexander, seem to gain enlightenment. Others on the other hand, don't gain a damn thing other than a better cornered rat act. I've watched a number of his videos and he lost me with the damn eel. I watch Alexander to learn
This video makes sence to me... I'm from nova scotia and Truro is a trash town.... Alex you are an inspiration and he was ashamed...trying to hide an attitude faker than his smile and now he pimps his wife for views
This confirms what I have always felt about Joey. He's simply manipulative and egotistical. He did nothing but boast about himself and what he's done, then when you called him out on something he tried to pretend it was a joke. He does does click bait all the time too. Ugh finally this verifies what I've been feeling
Not only that, but in watching parts of this again today I noticed how Joey is so bored when they aren't talking about him that he actually stresses and fidgets. Sometimes it's so hard to wait until he can talk about himself again that he actually interrupts Alex to bring the narrative back around to him.
@@kyfarm Well narcissists are bored easily when the focus isn't on themselves. They will eventually get hostile because of how bored they are and irritated because they feel their time is being wasted. No one should give him any time to waste however.
Luckily JOEY INVENTED the Aquarium Hobby!!!! I'm in Australia, and started keeping tropical fish in 1983 when I was 17. Thanks to Joey when he was only 3...................Thanks Joey............LOL :)
Good entertaining video until the end. Alex you should have edited some of that. It really could have been a great video. I felt uncomfortable for him. You both make great videos but this could come across wrong and nobody benefits. That was not entertaining. Live and learn.
@@deneng0259 entertaining? It was gag inducing all the way through. Alex tries to keep the conversation on uplifting topics and all Joey does is talk about himself or trash talk other people. Its hard to watch. Normally when I turn on a YT channel and hear someone puffing themselves up I close the video immediately. I'm only watching this because I wanted to see what set off the issues between Joey and Alex. But ugh. If I had switched this on and seen it live I wouldn't have been able to watch more than a minute of it.
The amount of times he was either despondent, patronizing, hypocritical, gaslighting, or just plain wrong is astounding. I'm sorry you had to endure so much of this. I am going to comment a few times for engagement.
Exactly! I’m so annoyed lol He is extremely full of himself and man it shows 😳 But it also shows he is deep down just insecure having to always pump himself up while pushing others down, which is why he reacted SO harshly. He can’t handle it when he perceives an attack even if that attack was just in his imagination. 🤷🏻♀️ he definitely showed his ugly side, and that’s not your fault 💩 I am glad you are honest and have pride in building community and knowledge ❤ I chose the right creator to follow ❤️
@@MissChelsea he made himself sound like such an idiot. I don't know how anyone could take him seriously after this, I bet he doesn't want his subscribers to see this.
That ending was extremely weird. I was a fan back in the day when he was starting his aquarium gallery. Over the years, I've really seen him being manipulative and his ego really got to his head. Such a shame that it happened like this. Good on you for standing your ground.
He sued me to gain control of MY content lol...they tossed the case and overturned the youtube strikes he filed falsely...but he pissed me off bad enough that I posted it 5 days after I filmed it...I had actually left it private after it first aired but he threatened me and harassed me and I can't stand entitled brats.
His energy was immaculate like five years ago. I watched a recent vid a while ago and even though he didn’t do anything in particular, I felt the change.
I am glad I stopped watching him a long time ago. Strange guy. Alex please don't let him bring you down in anyway. He really has issues and I do feel bad for him. I hope he gets the help he needs. He didn't mean it as a joke. He tried to insult you.
Yeah I don't wanna promote the video, don't want it suggested...but the people who know will know, and it was live , so they can decide for themselves how to feel if they wanna find it. I appreciate your support. I just don't want drama overshadowing the time I spend looking into topics and all the great people in the community who teach me things daily... it was like bad reality TV at the end
He absolutely meant what he said with every fiber of his being. And if he didn't, what an extremely bizarre thing to joke about. Not because it's a sensitive topic, but simply because it's weird and random. 'Oh, by the way you were wrong about that lady, she didn't invent the word aquarium, ha ha ha.' 'Huh? No I wasn't. Here's the proof. Why would you even say that?' 'Haha, whatever BRO, I'm just making a joke haha.' No, Joey. You weren't. You thought you had an opportunity to refute something that was said by someone else, and thereby elevate yourself in the process, and you were so overjoyed by this that you couldn't hold back your joyous laughter. And when you were shown to be full of shit, you backpedalled and pretended like it was all a joke, and then pathetically heaped veiled scorn on Alex in an attempt to gaslight him. We all watched it. You are worse than a douchebag.
Why is he so abrasive? It got weird when Cory came up and he started talking so negative. What does it matter that what Cory is doing if you are successful? He needed to go to aquarium events to confront people. He brings people on his podcast to confront them for things they said. Normal people don't feel the need to act so aggressive and intimidating. It's almost like roid rage. He needs to assert his dominance as 'king' of the aquatic RUclips community. Alex watching you get dragged into a poop throwing contest while trying to be accommodating is hard to watch. Tbh watching his podcast with Ohio fish rescue was super cringe also. People should not feel the need to tip toe around Joey to avoid a lash out. He seems super bitter that he isn't the only RUclips aquarium personality. He prob feels threatened because he has literally no other future or career as lucrative as RUclips used to be for him so he's lashing out at his competition. Reinvent yourself. Instead of being mad at your followers continue to be a leader with your own original content and be flattered that you set the standard.
I agree 100% . I think he is overly cocky and over confident. Dude you are a fish nerd on RUclips. It's cool or whatever but are you really changing people's lives? He feels the need to repeat over and over again that he's so great! Turned me off. Alex on the other hand is interesting, highly intelligent and a down to earth guy.
I totally agree with you @mckillaguerilla2 I couldn't understand the way Joey treated Ohio Fish Rescue in his podcast as well. I thought Joey was way out-of-line. It was the only podcast of his I've listened to and decided that I wouldn't waste my time with any others of his. I'm glad it wasn't just me that felt that way. If you want to listen to a great podcast, go to podcast 55 of The Aquarium Guys where they interview ALEXANDER WILLIAMSON FROM THE SECRET HISTORY LIVING IN YOUR AQUARIUM! You're awesome Alex!
Imagine having such a big ego you ask the host who has just spent two hours of his time to create content to not post the content because you, the guest, came off as arrogant. Alex, well handled.
Thanks. I actually didn't post it at first. I figured "meh, everyone's got bad days"...but then he hit my channel with false copyright claims and it was frozen for 72 hours until youtube could appeal his false DMCA strikedown. So I got really frustrated, and 5 days after the fact decided to make the whole thing public
Meanwhile he says he knows he is arrogant etc at the beginning of the video and he don't care what people think. He got caught red handed didn't like it, tried to play it off as a joke, realized that didn't work tried to turn it around on Alex. The guy is a douche always had been.
I will not speak the name of the other Guy Alex you are a true Pillar of the Fish Hobbie. I have the greatest respect for you my Friend. YOU are Davey Who Just Slayed Goliath. KEEP BEING YOU BROTHER!!! Much love man!!!
Hey dude you standing up to Joey in this way respectfully snd being transparent is so badass you’ve gotten a lifetime follow man your passion is impressive and inspiring
Whoa, thank you so much for that support. I really appreciate it. I just had tollerated enough ego and bs / disrespect by the end and couldn't let him dump on the woman I look up to the most in the whole hobby basically. I will promise this is my only drama video out of 700 and half a decade, if you wanna learn about fish and plants, you're in the right spot. Welcome!
So glad he stood his ground and uploaded it. This Joey dude is a joke trying to blame Alex for him looking stupid af! Alex is a good man! So much respect to Alex!
I didn’t look “stupid”... the whole ending will damage his channel, not mine. Read my pinned comment. I was not lying. I was joking. Proof linked in my comment.... from Feb21 2020! I just could t remember the name.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ). And threatening to hurt his channel is just plain wrong.
@@thekingofdiy His whole channel is pretty much as Raw as it gets. It wont hurt either of you to be honest miscommunications happen everyday. Alex doesn’t joke the way you do. Either way the end end when you said wait this is still live made me laugh so hard made my day thank you.
@@thekingofdiy maybe stupid wasn’t the right word, but honestly I can’t think of a better one... anyone will tell you and if you can muster the stomach to watch your self act like a childish entitled boy than tbh I can’t blame you. Because anyone will tell you that Alex didn’t do anything wrong and all the blame falls onto you. Seriously I challenge you to watch the video. I lost all the respect in the world for you. You did not look like you were kidding, and how can you blame Alex for making you give him your answer when you literally just told him always fact check and don’t always believe a youtuber? Sorry dude but Alex did nothing wrong. As someone who was a fan of both of you guys and who watched as a equal, I quickly lost all respect man for you with how you acted at the end. So cringe and hard to watch a grown ass man act the way you did. I hope you can learn to humble yourself real quick. Alex was a true gentleman in that situation. Proud of you Alex!
Your face at some points says it all, how you kept your cool with this interview. Respect that you kept trying to steer it into a more constructive conversation, even though he didn't want to let you talk. Keep doing what you do.
i believe that Joey read somewhere that some guy invented the aquarium. As for the rest, I think he needs a translator. When he says "I was trying to be funny," what he meant was "I was trying to (jokingly) look smarter than you." When he says, "I didn't know you'd get all emotional" what he meant was, "I didn't know you'd call my bluff and show that I really don't know as much as you do about who started the hobby." Embarrassing.
Joey went off at the end, clearly impaired or unbalanced, LIVE, and tried very unsuccessfully to flip it on Alex. Total Fail hence The Takedown Request.
I used to respect Joey for his grind. But this past 2 years he has really let his ego take over. Also, I don't get why he hates Cory when Cory sent people to his go fund me for the aquarium gallery. I have never met either one of them but I feel like Cory would be more approachable. Either way this just shows who the real "King of Diy" is.
Yeah well Cory has the last laugh...Cory is raking in the cash and growing every day. So they both may work hard, but clearly Cory doesn't work the hardest at stoking his own ego with the majority of his energy lol
@@Fishtory Cory being a workaholic definitely shows in all he does! While yes, he is promoting his store, he's also transparent about that, and delivers so much accessible information to beginners *and* more advanced hobby members, and his genuine passion for the hobby is obvious and infectious. It's the secret to his success. Joey has always seemed like "a youtuber", who is more ego than substance to me. This just confirms for me that he truly shows some personality disorder traits that alarm me, and have made me lose any respect for him. You handled his tantrum perfectly, well done. That isn't easy, to hold your ground while keeping your cool during a confrontation, especially in the face of someone (with a much larger following) attempting to manipulate and control you. Love the history and science aspects of your channel, new subscriber here! (oh, and I didn't sub because of this either, found your channel when looking up what micro creatures my pygmy cory fry must have been feasting on when they appeared in my cory tank! I hadn't even realised the adults had spawned, lol).
@@Fishtory I think you can see whos the more likable person between these 2 really easy. Multiple channels have came to work for Cory and Dean is a fun person to watch with him as well. Whos standing there with Joey in these videos besides this young girl hes unfortunately roped in? lol
man joey, you could heat a fish room with that gaslight Joey: "i don't care if you post this" Joey: "i'm asking you not to air this" Joey: "you are butt hurt" Joey: "I get along with everybody"
Don't forget "It wasn't a girl" and "I don't know the name off the top of my head" So you're certain it wasn't a woman but you can't remember who it actually was. Riiiiight....
Yeah i didnt post it for a week...then he started threatening me to film myseld deleting it or hed sue me...then he filed lawsuit papers (which of course were tossed immediately)... but i posted the video as public again
Yeah it happens all the time because he's a douchebag That's like if you keep getting divorced it's probably not your ex-wives or husbands it's you that's the idiot I love when people are and always happens to me Will stop being a douchebag
I'm sorry as I want to support both of these men, but Joey takes himself WAY too seriously. @Secret History you are a fantastic person and I have so much respect for how you tick -- you have one of the most integral channels in the hobby and I think it's because of the way you tick. I watch because your personality kicks butt and the way you share your research is great. Hope your philosophy stays strong brother!
Feb 21, 2020. I went live on Instagram(post is still there) and talked about how world aquarium day should be made to be more meaningful. I mentioned why not name it after the person who coined the phrase “aquarium”.... Philip Henry Gosse. Born 1810. THAT is what I was referring to. THAT is what I was talking about at the end of this video. I wasn’t making anything up. I wasn’t lying. I wasn’t upset. Either way, it’s Not the point. I was just joking around with him. Trying to end it on a high note. I was joking and had I remembered his name at that exact moment, it would have allowed for a fun debate or conversation. However I felt it might also simply get everyone to research the topic. I don’t know, this was going in circles and I was tired of talking about myself, so I thought of something quickly. Instead, I was taken the wrong way. I apologized. I said sorry. I talked about the miscommunication. I then mentioned he should delete the video(we could have done a better job and I didn’t want to end it like that). He Kept recording for several minutes while I was under the impression he was not. How this is a thing is simply Because it’s me.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ).
@@thekingofdiy Dude, you called him a dick. Your arrogance throughout the stream had to be expected by anyone who has listened to you in the past but to take it to the level that it ended up was way over the top. All I heard was petty jealousy and sour grapes. I’m also disappointed in Alexander for bringing up how Cory was in high school! Dude, how long ago was that? And what were YOU like way back then? What an incredibly telling stream.
Whatever man. Yet another emotional outburst from you, followed up by more backtracking with excuses. Crazy man. You’re like the Jersey Shore of fish keeping. Joey “The Fishuation”
@@thekingofdiy I understood your perspective on the situation and what you were trying to say. You misconstrued several things said by Alex in a very negative light. That perception was entirely yours and the audience was as confused as him. The reaction you felt was necessary in response to those perceived slights was unprofessional and condescending. We all have rough days, but we're all friends here. Keep it cordial.
True colours? Wrong person. I don’t record people when they don’t know they are(end of video) and I wouldn’t upload if he didn’t want to. He got some attention and chose money and attention over integrity. Go figure. I called it. Now for what actually happened: Feb 21, 2020. I went live on Instagram(post is still there) and talked about how world aquarium day should be made to be more meaningful. I mentioned why not name it after the person who coined the phrase “aquarium”.... Philip Henry Gosse. Born 1810. THAT is what I was referring to. THAT is what I was talking about at the end of this video. I wasn’t making anything up. I wasn’t lying. I wasn’t upset. Look at my post from feb 21 2020 on my IG... it’s all there. Either way, it’s Not the point. I was just joking around with him. Trying to end it on a high note. I was joking and had I remembered his name at that exact moment, it would have allowed for a fun debate or conversation. However I felt it might also simply get everyone to research the topic. I don’t know, this was going in circles and I was tired of talking about myself, so I thought of something quickly. Instead, I was taken the wrong way. I apologized. I said sorry. I talked about the miscommunication. I then mentioned he should delete the video(we could have done a better job and I didn’t want to end it like that). He Kept recording for several minutes while I was under the impression he was not. How this is a thing is simply Because it’s me.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ). Alex never said he stopped recording. He kept ASKING YOU if you wanted to end it, but you never said yes. It's not his fault you ignored his question, and didn't pay attention.
@@thekingofdiy bro he never stopped recording and you freaking knew it. Quit acting like the victim here. As you can see not one person is taking your side. You looked foolish and childish and yes your true colors came out the whole interview. You were cocky you acted as if you knew everything you talked down on other streamers and you acted as if your the saving grace of this hobby. Acting like you didn’t know you were live. No one in there right mind would have thought the stream was over. Also look how your continuing to go on and on about this to save your ass and the person (Alex) you continue to talk crap about and talk down too still keeps in 💯 and acts as a true adult and a humble person and hasn’t said anything much less anything negative about how you truly acted and how horrible you made yourself look. You should really watch how cringe you are as a person in that video. But I bet you wouldn’t be able to make it through. 🤦🏽♂️
I think most people missed the most despicable portion of Mullen's rant (01:48:20) when he tried to belittle the idea of a woman having the ability to coin the term “aquarium” and pioneer the hobby. I commend you Alex for standing by your research and defeating his deplorable misogynist conjecture. You exude integrity and I appreciate your channel and its dedication to enhancing science and knowledge. I think your content is cerebral and appeals to those who love the hobby because of the holistic effects of caring for an ecosystem compared to his vacuous sole commercial venture. Keep up the brilliant work!
THANK YOU KAREN! I'm so glad you noticed what really upset me at the end. The whole story of the amazing Jeanne Villapreux-Powers is about her work not getting the respect it was due ...and she was 30 years ahead of any men in the field. So when he said that I knew he either didn't watch it...or care to even do basic research into this hobby he claims to be the king of... and had he some really messed up assumptions at that. That It couldn't have been a woman. Especially when this hobby is about being human, about being a part of Nature and nurture, and we need all the new folks we can get...especially young women. But the hobby builds conservation and appreciation for nature's complex yet seemingly effortless beauty. Thank you again, Karen. Have a great upcoming weekend.
I as a female have kept fish since 1968 and was treated as a weirdo because of it. Wish I knew about Ms. Powers all those years ago. It has made me very happy to see the number of women in the aquarium hobby growing.
I don't wanna go "there"... but I will say, when he went off at the end, that and anyone else in his family or daily life flashed through my brain... like "this guy clearly knows the routine of gaslighting and pulling this stuff. It must be working sadly"...which also made me put my foot down finally
Alexa - what is gaslighting? Joey and I have not seen eye to eye before, but watching this up to 1:56:00 I was about to defend him as it looked like just a simple misunderstanding and crossed wires and everyone must be jumping on the 'take a pop at the King' wagon, but the last 10 mins was hard to watch. Joey invented an issue, escalated it then doubled down on the gaslighting. Even if he was right it wasn't handled very well. Hopefully he can use this for a period of self reflection because as one of the largest ambassadors for this hobby he needs to do better with this sort of thing.
Hi Graeme, For me, I saw a few stages during this livestream. Joey started by being cagey - it was like why am I talking to the little people. Then as he started to critique other FishTubers he started to warm up. Interesting that MD got dragged into this. Feeling the competition perhaps...? Young guy with a fast growing channel... Then he started to basically lay claim to have been the first one to do anything fish on RUclips and for paving the way for everyone else, who btw, are all doing it wrong. He was enjoying this part . Especially the bit where he points the camera at his companion and goes ‘this is my girlfriend’ (???). And finally the neurotic sociopath appeared at the end when Alex challenged/corrected him on a point of history. Plenty to talk about next Friday... 😉😅
It is a shame. Even his critiques were actually almost fair. Undertones of bitterness but I think he just has a paranoia issue at times. I'd imagine the drink wasn't soft and probably helped to induce the end. Its a shame really. I think Alex handled it very well. You could see him running through the options and chose the one he should've have chosen and was always polite.
The final straw was when he hit my channel with a DMCA takedown strike... honestly, I had decided to keep this video out of the public...however a dozen or more folks ripped it live and uploaded clips (also with no context)... so when youtube basically responded with "the take down was on an unmonetized, unlisted members only video that joey doesn't own ...yet he lied saying he had no idea he was being interviewed live or on youtube...after that battle and a legal court affidavit...I made it public. Our hobby doesn't need this crap or drama, but people do deserve the truth to choose who they want to elevate in the hobby. I gave Joey a decade of benefit of the doubt.
Hey thank you so much for seeing that. I really tried to steer this ship away from icebergs while not challenging him.. but the blunt challenge of my video ..which IS ALL ABOUT a woman who didn't get the credit she deserved for her life's work...and then he doubled down on his ego and trying to play silly childish games , I had enough with him- but also knew if I turned it off, that would be the end of it publically but not privately...as he had already begun harassing me in dm's while he was "in the bathroom" I guess? But I still chose to keep the video private until he hit me with a legal DMCA take down full of lies in his testimony. So youtube did the right thing, and I decided it had to go public now...but with full context and the "worthwhile " parts from the first 90%. Thanks for your input and feedback though
After watching the entire interview, I wonder if he realized he didn't want all the previous conversations regarding other youtubers and what not to be public. If he really had a problem with the end, trimming it would be fine, but wanting to delete the entire thing after something like this seems as though he is trying to keep the rest of the conversation hidden and that this was the way to do it. It also makes a lot more sense now that he might being coached by his girlfriend on what to say as he is looking over at her direction. I find this entire situation fascinating because I feel as there is more to this than just the end of the video. On a related note, I have definitely seen a divide between those creators that fall into the influence of Aquarium Coop and DIY, with a couple independent people out there. Could never figure out what the divide was from, but this video helped shed some light onto it. Very interesting indeed.
Big time. Cory works his butt off. He's probably one of the most ambitious people in the hobby. The thing I was eluding to, is that he is a businessman with a real sustainable empire, rather than a youtuber schlepping Merch or affiliate deals
EDITED: You handled yourself well at the end. Joey is a mess. This entire discussion was toxic.....from the ridiculous, hackneyed populism, to the shockingly evident narcissism that exudes from Joey’s every pore.
@@STELLASCUTENESS It creeped me out. I have had a couple of narcissistic bosses, and I'm not kidding it traumatized me. You cannot reason with them. They are robots.
Ironically, Joey going off on Cory made me respect Cory even more. When Cory talks about Joey it's obvious that Cory doesn't agree with Joey. But I've NEVER heard Cory bash Joey in a public setting, and especially like Joey talks about Cory. Joey needs to grow up and learn how to disagree with someone without mocking and bashing them.
Ive never heard Cory Bash anyone. Super disappointed in Joey. You dont air your beef bro be more respectful. Ive watch most of Joeys and Corys vids and have never heard him bash anyone and if he did he never once put there name out on blast. Im actually excites to see how many followers hes gunna lose over this. Sounds like Joeys jealous of Corys success. Hopefully he can be better and not so juvenile.
Someone needs to remind him at the end of the day he keeps fish in tanks which is a hobby.It's no big deal and its hardly rocket science.God forbid he should be doing something important with his over inflated ego.
I never realized what a petulant child he was. The reason he lost it is because he can’t handle admitting being wrong. He’s “always right”. I would have respected him far more without the baby temper tantrum. You handled it really level headed and did not let him get to you. Awesome. I’ll be unsubscribing.
Well I appreciate your sentiment and support. I promise that the other 700+ videos I have, are far more nerdy and boring (to non-aquarists). Clearly Joey doesn't know much about science or in depth thinking, but it saddens me that clearly he DOESNT WANT TO KNOW either
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium we are all wrong at times, and to be honest I’m wrong a lot. But there is tremendous wisdom in learning from mistakes instead of throwing tantrums. Maybe I should sympathize with him? He clearly has some issues to work through .
Wow, l'm really concerned for people's mental health in this social media world. At the same time we're living in an Orwellian society. Sending you love Alex. 🍀
They aren’t healthy people, being “social media famous” isn’t famous at all. It’s a false sense of self and everything else. I have a channel that I devote to my job which is teaching mma and kickboxing but I teach street defense and what works in the cage or ring, so there is something to be learned, not just to see how many lazy people can hit the subscribe button lol
Holy cow!!! Not only did you very professionally deal with his overt narcissism throughout this entire conversation, but you also did an amazing job dealing with his meltdown over being wrong when trying to big d energy on your specialty… aquarium history!!! Lol! Not once did you really lash out at him… i felt suggesting he was pulling things out of his rear was a little much, but this was after he spent an entire interview talking himself up while belittling the work you have done!!! Keep up the good work! You’ve really inspired me to take my hobby to the next level and i hope to see more from you!!!
It was a bad interview all around. I shouldn't have lost my cool, clearly he is ill AND just a jerk or having a prolonged manic type episode. But I got furious when he said "push Women?! Back then?... no". As if the first page of Google is a coherent answer. I thought he'd say a French or English naturalist ...there's 4 or 5 people I would have accepted instead lol... but yeah I just couldn't take it anymore, and went from fan to handler/advisarial accidentally. Forgive me, and please feel free to enjoy 1800+ nerdy drama free videos hahaha
I honestly hope all of his viewers see that ending. That guy's got some really nasty behavior going on. Good for you for keeping this up and standing your ground... Can't he get in trouble for false claims on your channel?
100% in fact legal trouble and a year in jail. Plus damages for every version he took down for "damages not exceeding double the expected revenue of the highest estimate of monetary performance, as well as any civil damages or liable damages". I just wanted my video back. No need for that ...but if I false claimed something...1. It would take weeks to take effect, and 2. I would face immediate termination on my entire channel...it says it right on the forms. But he makes them the money in the end.
only seen a handful of your videos, but holy crap what the hell is this? You were absolutely normal and then you corrected him trying to flex on you, the tears start to flow. I've known plenty of "joeys" in my life, you're better off not knowing him. Subscribing and looking forward to more videos!
Joey is actually horrible at scaping. The worst out there on YT given his “experience”. And not to mention the constant rotation of fishes and tanks. MD and Cory are the best role models out there in this business. Not this toxic man child.
Cory has a LOT of misinformation though, he thinks aquarium salt makes brackish water. MD is the best I agree, thats why he started only 3 years ago and now has half a million subs.
@@jihartbladhest2749 I don’t nut hug or trust anyones ass in the fish hobby, I’m a fish hobbyist myself. I trust my own information on books, videos and people I know personally as well as some of the people that don’t have a big following. They are actually about facts not followers. Cory gave mis information about when the power goes out in your tanks, he gave info that inside 4 hours a heavily stocked aquarium would have deaths, he went on to say you have 6 to 8 hours before you need to worry about anything, that’s very untrue, I lost a whole salt water predator tank in 4 and a half hours with no power when I wasn’t home.
Jesus lmao you were so patient Alex. Also, as a fellow human in recovery congrats man on 12 years sober ! (I think you said it was 12) Anyways, I'm pretty new to the hobby and never noticed drama like this XD. Holy crap joey would not stop interrupting and talking about himself. Lol it seemed like almost every reply he had to any question was somehow rooted in how he thinks people perceive him or his channel or whatever. I'm only writing this halfway through the video, no clue what to expect for the end of the video lmaoo
The few times that he talked about your channel he seemed to focus on telling you how to scale your channel and barely seemed to even inquire about what you even do / what you want from your channel 🙄
A lot of bitterness in the RUclips aquarium community it seems. Joey was cool to watch for a while but it's becoming increasingly clear how unbalanced and negative he is. I don't need that in my life. I'm here to learn about fish and the hobby and Cory from Aquarium Co-op is just better for that without the baggage.
Man this sucks to see, I have always followed joeys channel and enjoyed his content, but once he started his podcast it really opened my eyes to how he acts and talks to people with such disregard. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt but after seeing this... I can’t believe he can act this way, very childish and unstable... hopefully he continues to work on his mental health because this is not going to win him any fans. You handled this awesome btw, it was nice to see you stick up for yourself, and be mature and real about the whole situation...Good work bro 👍
Wow! The ego on this guy! This justifies why I unsubscribed from Joey months ago. He was so embarrassed and butt hurt after being called out on his bullshit. Aaand he had an attitude the whole conversation. I’m glad you uploaded this. People need to see it. Keep being you Alex!
Thank you. I had it unlisted ...I really want people to know that, other than him wanting to do it live, and 300 people seeing it unfold, I still left it unlisted at first...then he falsely said he didn't know he was on RUclips or give me permission to use it... (live?) And when that happened, he threatened my channel with a strike, and due to this, I had to upload the full context, since clips are floating around...for Joey's side as well as mine honestly ...there were 90 or so somewhat productive minutes..egos or not
His true colors really showed. He lost my views and subscription. Completely thinks he is better than everyone. Tried to call you out and it back fired big time.
@@kristilay9695 same. I think I vaguely remember a plywood aquarium build video on YT years ago (maybe that was Joey, maybe it was someone else) but I don't recognize him and have never knowingly watched his content. His content must be all clickbait and sensationalism. I tend to look for informative nerdy videos so I don't come across stuff like Joey's as much.
Lol I decided to repost it when he threatened me...tried to bribe me and took legal action (which was tossed out immediately). All in the same week. But yeah he needs something different for sure
@@FishtoryThe bloke seemed to be doing a lot of eye rolling and smirking right from the start. He did a lot of talking over the top of you too. Definitely has some ego problems and maybe a house of cards he's trying to keep from falling down. The way he went on the attack there at the end... unreal. You're a legend for holding fast. Good man. Love your videos btw
Wow! This is amazing. The tea and bizarre ending. At 28:01 joey predicted the end. The guy is not well mentally. I've heard there is no hope for narcissists and no one should feel sorry for them because they're so destructive. Clearly proven in this video and following events. He made some good points even though he has a warped perspective of himself.
There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Joey continually displays arrogance. This chat went off the rails when he was challenged and could not provide the name I’m embarrassed for him
@@Fishtory I know :( Continue on your path, confusion is a sly one. As Shakespeare said, oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practise to deceive. Onwards and forwards mate! Keep up the great work, stay humble and passionate :)
He talks about confronting people and being a tough guy and then makes snide remarks under his breath and cries about a less than perfect interaction being put on the internet lol
Big oof. I was directed to watch the last 20 minutes from Facebook and I did so at 1.75 speed but I'll be watching the whole video later at normal speed. I unsubbed from Joey around the time he was bullying some 17 year old kid on one of his live streams and I thought that was a low as he could get. Did anyone else catch how he mentioned "woman" at least twice, in a way that was like "nah there no way a women had a hand in shaping this hobby"? Also Alex you clearly mentioned this was still live more than once, he was so blinded by his tantrum (yes Joey, this was a tantrum) that he couldn't even pay attention to what you were saying. Joey I know you're reading this, I haven't heard your comments about Cory yet but he has taught me more than you ever did and he is more enjoyable for me to watch than you ever were. I actually cringe when I see other RUclipsrs I follow go on your podcast. I aspire to have a fish room more like Cory's than like yours. Also you need to learn what clickbait is. It's misdirecting people to click on something by making them think it's about one thing when it's about something else. I don't know if you still do this but you used to all the time, it's actually what made me stop watching you. The way you, a grown man, treated that CHILD in your Instagram live stream made me finally unsub. You cannot handle even the smallest bruise to your ego, and that's really something you need to work on. But you won't, because you think your perfect.
You pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Particularly with the clickbait for the video announcing the new fish room. That was the last straw for me. The title and thumbnail were clearly intended to portray something disastrous happening which is what got me to click. Announcing a new expansion like that is major enough on its own to warrant a view without having to resort to clickbait. I get that shutting the original room was obviously a hard, upsetting decision. But that sentiment for me went out the window quickly upon moving onto the new plans and realizing the obvious clickbait. Also Alex, you've gained a subscriber in me after this episode. I've came across a handful of your videos recently before this so thought it was about time to subscribe for my fish nerd needs.
@@kyfarm he was a kid in an instagram livestream that Joey did a while back. A 17 year old said something like "go to bed" since the livestream went into the wee hours of the morning. That prompted Joey to invite him on to the live. Joey then berated him for living at home (remember he was 17) and made him pull up a picture of his girlfriend who Joey then bodyshamed and said "look at what I'm sitting next to" while pointing at his girlfriend. He went right in on his this kid, calling him a loser and saying he'd never achieve anything. All because he made a joke. Someone reposted the footage, I'll see if I can find it. Edit: it seems the video has been deleted, but here's a reddit post of people who have seen it, including me. The original post was deleted but the comments are still there. www.reddit.com/r/PlantedTank/comments/fvry24/youtuber_drama_joey_king_of_diy_berates_17_year?sort=confidence
@@joannemcneill156 OH!! It was just a random kid! All this time I've been thinking it was a young fish youtuber. What a freaking jerk Joey is, especially for what he said about the kid's girlfriend. And as far as the girl Joey parades around, it is so clear that she is just the rebound, and he treats her like a thing, not a person. ~~ Thank you for answering me. And for the link also.
@@johnnywalker9112 and now look where all his grandiose plans with his new fish gallery are. Shafted by someone similar to himself. Now he's chasing legal action against the landlord and lost about $40k in the endeavour. Even though I unsubbed to him after watching Alex's video, I still kept abreast of his activities with the public fish gallery. Now in the dirt and awaiting legal action...
"I'm kind to everybody" says the guy who is being very disrespectful and cruel to all of the other creators on the platform iNCLUDING THE GUY WHO IS CONDUCTING THE INTERVIEW
Yeahhh I was feeling that like 15 minutes into the interview, but trying as hard as possible to keep the ship from hitting that iceberg...but couldn't anymore by 2 hours in
He also says "if you read your private messages from the phone publically..."were gonna have fists"...then 20 minutes later reads my texts live....only proving my own point *face palm*
Wow ive followed Joey for years. To throw shade at Cory seems nuts. That guy has traveled the world just to get fish. That isnt looking for a pat on the back. Thats time and resources spent on a passion. He's went to fish farms and put them on the map and in this past storm promoted raising money for Goliad Farms. Thats show character and support. He Sends emails of information and new stuff constantly. Can take one look at his friend Dean and Deans fish room and see the company he keeps. Ive bought his products have his filters in my tanks. They work and he gives it to you straight. What a weird video to see this makes me actually not want to watch Joey. Glad to find you Alex.
Oi I know. Im in the same fish club as Dean also... I did a tour of his fish room years ago but it's over on Dustin's planted tanks from like 4 or 5 years ago, and Cory (and finally hehs Dean's own channel too) kinda claim a monopoly on Dean's content...but he is really fun to watch. His fry systems are so ingenious and streamlined! As for joey...super bummer
Aww man, I watched the whole thing but missed Joey tossing shade to Corey. I’m curious though but don’t wanna watch all over. Does anyone remember at what time stamp that happened?
Spends 2 hours throwing shade at everyone else for not knowing what they're talking about, then accuses Alex of having ego just because he DOES know actual facts. What an egotistical dork.
Wow, I'm sorry that happened to you Alex. I'm am just as confused as you looked about where that all went wrong. He talks about respecting his time yet he is asking you to also throw away your time and potential revenue.
The moment this guy started chirping, it was all about me, me, me, and I, I, I. You are so humble Alexander.....Not only do you have an endless wealth of knowledge, you explain everything so that anyone can follow along. I pass on guys like Joey....and hes not the only one with a big channel whos allowed their own arrogance to make them completely unwatchable. Guys like this have lost the plot on their journeys.
@@Fishtory Youre very welcome. I started working in, Id say, The premier predominantly salt water shop where I live in the earlier 1980s. Ive never forgotten how the owner taught me everything in an exciting way, and its something thats always stuck with me. There was no short supply of arrogant people back then too. I look at it more like we should all be a community, constantly learning from and teaching other and having everyone's best interests at hand. I dont get the "Im the best" mindset.....even the most seasoned hobbyists make mistakes. If there was nothing left to learn, why even bother? Well thats the issue. Some people are so set in their ways, they become blind. Im glad Im not that type of person, and you will never be that person either. You're genuine.
LMAO. And he hated on MD fish tanks. That dude is nothing but nice and humble. DIY thinks the entire hobby is in his hands. Its not. This hobby would exist without him LOL
Ugh… I must have been distracted cause I missed the diss to MD and Corey. Any chance at a time stamp on those comments from Joey? I love Corey and MD. Both so kind. I don’t totally disagree with Joey or Alex either. But I’m questioning stuff…
Thank you Alex for all that you do. Always great content (even this ridiculousness) You are always respectful and know your history which is why I subscribe to your channel. We love you and keep being you. (Ads or not) 😂
@@Fishtory Bro just put ads because if you don’t do it to pocket the money then RUclips will and pocket the money. Every viewer on this platform expects ads😊😁
I watched the Stream where He insulted that kid, and it just shattered the illusion/benefit of the doubt for me. Couldnt help but see his mean, belitteling ways shine through, combined with his constant boasting. I am glad this is up, and shows his real side to others, so they too can see through the act. But take care, that poor sucker isnt worth your nervs!
Im sorry MD fish tanks is the man! He's an aquascaping artist, he got his inspiration from George Farmer, so what he also happens to be handy and builds a fish tank stand, so what everyone who can build a stand copies Joey? Ha this self absorbed guy grinds my gears so bad.
Md hasnt done anything wrong...yet. i feel like the more tanks he has the moee negligent he gets and the worse he's gotten at scaping. Md is pretty good at just about everything and im willing to admit that while not liking him much. He does make some poor stocking decisions here and there but nothing horrible
I've only just subscribed and I haven't watched any of your videos yet, but I wanted to thank you for your respect, passion and appreciation for the hobby and research. I'm also sorry you had to have such an uncomfortable experience with a bully. I hope you're doing well :)
Thanks for the kind words. I'm definitely just moving on. But felt after everything this needed to be public. But I appreciate your approach to discussing this. Thanks for the input
Joey has some issues. I don't say that with a mean spirit. But there's something not right with him. Maybe it's mostly that he shouldn't drink and go live, I dunno. Maybe that his channel is so big he freaks out if he thinks any little thing will harm his image. I think he needs to reflect on things, though. Also, he seemed a little sexist dismissing Jeanne Villepreux-Power as a "girl", etc. Seemed kind of weird. Especially since he was wrong on the facts. He owed you an apology, not a false copyright strike.
Agreed. Thanks for your input, and I'm really glad you noticed what set me off... 2 hours into it, he didn't watch the video...didn't know what he was talking about and then dismissed the incredible Jeanne Villapreux-Powers....just like most of science and men did most her life...and this attitude is definitely why her legacy isn't more well known. I just got fed up at that comment
Joey was right on one thing, there are people copying him to be the next big thing, instead of been them. You are very original on what you do and how you do it, so keep it up. Ads or not we will watch your stuff. You handled the confrontation well and I am glad you kept it.
@@Fishtory I hated when he was rude and dug at the ‘starving artist’ lifestyle - there is nothing wrong with living humbly while pursuing your passion. This guy was a total jerk and clearly very materialistic. You were accommodating and calm the entire way through. He’s so insecure and egotistic and doesn’t realize he talks himself in circles about bullshit. You were doing your best to be agreeable but he was being rude and aggrieved the entire way through. So shitty. And dude needed to put his drink down lol
There may be people copying him but he also copied others. He says Cory copies him maybe he does a bit but Corey and others were making huge tank videos long before Joey was.
Yeah I don't clickbait...and this is the only drama you'll see in 730 videos. I appreciate you saying as much. Put politely invite you to sidestep this ugliness and learn something nerdy about fish if you're in the mood! Cheers.
You did well mate. You were respectful the whole way. He has been inseminated with ego. Is vile to listen to. It's a shame he believes his own hype. I really think that he believes he is The Hobby. Long live Cory and MD. Both fantastic! Keep up the vibes!
Right on Simon positive vibes and respectfully educating or learning are the way to go. Pardon the silly drama in this video, it was a matter if principle to post it...but my other videos are all fishy nerd worthy 😉
I love how much you love history and it shows through. The fact you can pull up names/dates/ history so well is an AMAZING trait. It is one thing scripted but you can tell this is your passion. Thank you for sharing with us.
Thank you. It's what over 700 videos are based around the last 5 years I've been on RUclips, and I have degrees in archaeology, history and Anthropology...so all that kind of helps me keep refreshing my research and ideas. But the key is I'm just always excited to learn something new from anyone... I will almost always try and check that it is accurate if possible, but still- you never know when you'll find the missing piece to a whole new story that was 80% figured out and then you start a new project and find those missing puzzle pieces, in some completely unrelated subject. Thanks for your support and enthusiasm!
My parents bred angel fish in the 90's as I was growing up. I have kept fish my whole life since. It wasn't until your videos though that I really grew a curiosity for the knowledge of why and how beyond just basic care. I find it fascinating and a breathe of fresh air in this hobby. I have been a lurker on your videos for awhile. You and Rachel are the 1st ones I go to when I am considering a new fish for my aquariums :). Not everyone wants showy. I honestly like the videos where it is just chopped full of facts and passion for the hobby that we all love. I am also impressed with how engaged you are with your veiwers. We aren't just a number to you and it really truly shows. You keep it real and down to earth. I never post, but I know an experience like this can be draining and it is nice to have something positive during the added stress to remind you that you are doing a great job and that your input and experience matters. Your response to the gas lighting was well done btw and not something that is easy to do.
Oh and I love how you view learning and use the skills for what you have learned to forward yourself in that reguard. Self growth is admirable and acknowledging errors and moving forward in order to learn is a skill many lack....
I was watching the live stream and I’ve got to say, when Joey started talking about Cory and how he knows where all the skeletons are and could tell the juicy details about everyone in the hobby, it was time for me to leave. I stopped watching Joey’s channel more than a year ago, as I got tired of his attitude. Obviously, nothing has changed for the better.
Joey was arrogant throughout, but it was the ending where he couldn't handle Alex being right about who started the aquarium hobby. Joey even said "... I don't think, I know". Then when Alex asked him to specify who it was he felt attacked. Then the bashing of youtubers like Cory from aquarium coop. I unsubscribed from Joey's channel. What a petty and arrogant person. I honestly felt bad for his girlfriend sitting across from him. Though she probably felt like "Oh boy, here we go again. Except this time it's live." You were respectful and calm through the whole thing. Good job Alex!
Thank you kindly. I appreciate the support and your thoughts. I felt bad not really defending other creators but was torn on if I bother speaking up and derailing everything right there, or if I just sort of say "yeah people are different in real life...oh well ". But Cory is smart and has a loyal following, he'll be fine ...I was more mad when he was complaining about essentially all other youtubers
Wow!! The last 10 minutes Joey completely gaslighted Alex, turned narcissistic and couldn’t even acknowledge he was having a bipolar moment. Alex was humble, more than kind and held up his own with insane integrity!
Too hard for him to admit that he was trying to elevate himself above Alex. You could see the unbridled joy in his face when he thought he was proving Alex wrong over something he said. That's not making a joke. That smile was all about false modesty, trying to hide an ego trip. I mean just admit it, just say that you were totally wrong, and momentarily letting your ego get the better of you. It happens to literally EVERYONE. We all have insecurities, we're all occasionally worried about how others perceive us. Just admit your fallible, human state and be humble. Who makes a joke by telling someone that their historical information is incorrect? Unless it's already a carry-over joke between 2 people, it's obvious that you're lying when you randomly claim that what you said was just a joke. I hope many of his subscribers see this video, and demand that he explain himself. He needs to come down off his lofty throne or risk losing subscribers. Maybe that's what he needs in order for him to wake up.
I see parallels to what Joey said in the video about almost doing hard time in prison. That was such a bizarre snap. 0-100 pissed off for no reason other than his own insecurities. I sincerely hope that isn't a regular behavior around his family.
Ok. So honestly the only reason I ended up here is because this got mentioned on AquaMalik's livestream, today. I had been a subscriber to King of D.I.Y. for a while now, and when I heard about this honestly I came here for the drama, but I ended up watching the entire thing. What I saw was a guy more or less crap on everyone but himself, and when you let him just go on (what any good interviewer would do in those cases) he let himself get a bit more "real" than he was comfortable with. He basically spent the entire first hour and a half talking about how everyone in the hobby is talking without actually knowing anything. Then at the end HE says he has one more thing to end on, and jumps to use the opportunity (almost as if he was waiting to do this the entire time) to call YOU out, making a claim outside of his area of expertise. When you call him on it, he realizes he has just done the very thing he spent the last hour and a half claiming everyone else does. Dude outted himself as a complete hypocrite, and when he realized it he tried to project and gaslight you. He even tried the "I have to go to the bathroom" trick to not give you a name he knew he didn't have. You did great. Anyway, he lost a subscriber and you gained one. Keep up the good work.
Well you nailed it. Welcome to the channel, thats about the only drama that's happened in 5 years of my channel haha. We're the nerdy side of fishtube! Please make yourself right at home, and ask or contribute to any topic you enjoy! 🙏 thank you. (Ps... I didn't make it public after his melt down, but he got my channel deleted for 4 days and when it came back and he tried to sue me. Threaten me and buy me off- i decided it had to be public (over 1,000 people saw it live anyhow).
That was wild. Full respect to you, you remained humble, calm, and professional in the face of someone who was being irrational, manipulative, and ego-centric. Very strange interaction from Joey.
OH MY WORD. I am new to this hobby and had just started watching you BOTH and I am literally stunned at Joey's behavior at the end. I am unsubbing from him because I am not about that type of person. What an absolute jerk. Alex, you did nothing wrong, Joey is straight up bonkers with some serious issues.
I wouldn't want you to feel like there's some "me or him" subscribing debate. I hope people can look at his helpful videos, and good content and learn...and likewise for mine or any other channels. But I appreciate your comment, in that I just wish it would have gone better. Take care and best wishes
@@Fishtory I definitely do not think you are trying to foster a you vs him attitude but as a grown adult getting into a new hobby, I would rather support all of the positive and friendly channels. I have no interest in supporting someone who uses their substantial influence to attempt to push another channel down. So yeah, I happily unsubscribed from his channel.
Welcome to the hobby! I'm so glad you realize that Joey does NOT represent the attitude and behavior of the community. It really bothers me that he considers himself the "face of fishkeeping" when this behavior could alienate so many new hobbyists.
Alex mentions Egypt, Joey says "I don't care". 30 seconds later "The Egyptians". Joey has some real issues. He just couldn't wait to tell you that you were wrong about Jeanne Villapreux-Powers. His research "I spend 5 minutes on Google." I guess he is the kind of person that thinks everything on Google and Wikipedia is 100% correct. Crazy how blind some people are, just sheep.
Well I thought he was going to actually argue some case for Leonard Baldner or Gosse or Alexander- or Louis Agassiz as candidates lol... but no...it was just to try and take a quick swing at me. But I just take my research and work really seriously and that got me very frustrated.
Despite Joeys bravado I’ve always liked him which is difficult sometimes especially as a Brit because we think it’s a bit off to constantly big yourself up! I don’t understand the negativity towards Cory, personally I enjoy watching him and think he’s contributed greatly towards the hobby. I think Joey treated you very badly like you’re small fry and not worthy of his time, it’s honestly very sad. Keep doing what you’re doing Alex your channel is far more interesting than Joeys and people will appreciate your honesty and just being yourself with no Bravado! Well done for standing up to him 👏
This is hard to watch. As an overly talkative person, even I was blown away at how he was totally steamrolling at every turn. Kudos on the times you could get a word in.
@@rickspringer4814 ikr???? At almost every question, Joey looked insanely distracted and wholly disinterested. It was painful to watch, almost as if he was acting like he was trapped talking to an idiot. The whole thing was painful to watch, especially every time that Joey got so condescending. I Unsub'd from him immediately after watching.
Btw Alex I absolutely love the research you put into obscure and almost lost to history aquarium related facts. Your passion for learning about this stuff shines through and matches my own and is very addictive. After watching your vids I often find myself heading down a long internet rabbit hole on the topic. Keep up the good work. 🙂👍
Right on. This makes me so happy to hear! Thanks for the feedback. And I know the 3am Wikipedia rabbit hole....its just I've gotten into "the harder stuff"....Scholarly journal rabbit holes lol...now they meta link subjects by subject and keywords on the Scholarly journal search engines ...im in trouble lol
Someone who uses 'addictive' instead of 'addicting'. Refreshing. I don't care if it's in the dictionary, 'addicting' just feels like a slang, made up word haha.
He's an ACTUAL narcissist. FULL gaslighting at the end there. That's fucking amazing to watch. This could actually be used as an example in training psychologists.
I had a professor from a community College ask if they could use it for their psych 201 deviant psych class, oddly enough. They said it matched the text book she was using to teach from, spot on, but cycled through all the motions faster than even just explaining the range of tactics people use
@@Fishtory I didn't like his vibe before seeing this but after seeing it I just hate this guy and go out of my way to leave him shitty comments often. Not for entirely this reason though. There are an abundance of reasons he makes me very angry. There are plenty of channels I do enjoy watching and they NEVER mention him or cross over with him and I wonder why? I'm a father of 2 children and it pisses me off any time I see someone living their lives as selfishly as he has chosen.
Haaaa Joey got so embarrassed. It literally hit him that he made a fool of himself and as he suggested it was 'difficult to talk to people because egos get involved', his ego got involved and he had a melt down. Madness. He made it so much worse for himself. Have some modesty and dignity and just say maybe I made a mistake on that point.
Holy Bipolar Batman! 1:56:45 “just delete the video.. I’ll strike you “. What a freaking head case. I’ll because he got caught making up shit. I had to do was say oh I was wrong, but he couldn’t do it; he was right about egos getting in the way.
That was just bizarre . Alex great job holding your ground , yet remaining calm . I like a lot of what Joey does but I never watch his podcasts . He is arrogant, talks over his guests , and just plain embarrasses himself . After this I am going unsubscribe from his channel , and i will continue to watch you Alex . Good job with handling a bizarre ending !
I tried watching DIY conversation series and its all really JOEY talking about himself and his daughter agreeing. It's really sad, I wanted to support him.
Generally, the interview was very well done on your part Alex. You are very skilled. The 10 minutes as said previously was very unusial. But I didn't like him saying it boring, about learning " jamming knowledge ". The people that subscribe to you enjoy your style and do not find it boring. We love the knowledge , science and history. Keep on . As for me I'm now a member as of yesterday. Integrity matters to me, Kindness, and healthy socializing.... Keep on
Aww thank you so much! And welcome. I try and post most my research and any fun or interesting stories, articles or discount deals in the community tab for members, so check there from time to time. Also YOUR VOICE MATTERS! if I ever have info that's incorrect, and you notice, please let me know (this channel is for learning and encouraging one another, not about being right or ego.) Also if I can ever help in some way, just drop a comment or two until I see it- and I'll do my best to help you if I can. Same with if you have a topic or species you'd like to learn about. The best videos are inspired by the best part of the channel: our community! Cheers
Alex I just watched this and have a new found respect for you. You handled an awkward situation so well….I had angst just watching this. It was bad enough just watching his ego throughout the good part of the interview. I’ll certainly never watch another one of his videos.
I stopped following Joey awhile ago and recently refollowed him after his positive interactions with Ohio Fish Rescue. This reminds how abrasive and manipulative of a person he seems to be.
@@popparock6506 But people dumping their giant fish that have outgrown their tanks into their local lakes and rivers is truly a problem. Common plecos breeding and destroying lakes in Florida for just one example... I'm glad that there's at least one place willing to take all these pacu, gars, bala sharks etc that people cannot house and don't want to euthanise, so it's better they go to OFR than getting dumped where they don't belong, damaging local ecosystems and becoming invasive species. Sure, it means they get to enjoy the hobby while others are funding it, but maintaining that many huge tanks takes an enormous amount of time and money, and we've seen their house/clothes etc... they're not exactly getting rich off of it. Why not turn their hobby into a rescue when there's clearly a need?
@@scarletamazon3455 I mean its nice and all, but what kind of dent are those guys really putting into the waterways of thousands upon thousands of fish?
This is the first video of yours i've seen Alex, take my sub first of all, i look forward to watching the rest of your content and thank you for showing Joey's true colors, i got mad sitting in my chair watching him spew garbage and once he realized he royally messed up he tried to back track and blame it on you and have it removed. THEN realizing like what an @$$ he must seem and tried to then have a civil discussion with you and be reasonable. The EGO on him! Btw, gorgeous tanks in the background. :)
OMG this was too much. Stopped right in the middle of a water change and sat down to watch and listen!Joey fought and taught himself about utube without trampling on other people. He is a truly good person and he has my respect. That ending was very unexpected and you were put in a very uncomfortable situation. You were not treated in a respectful manner. You did handle it right. Wow!
Oh he did strike... without evidence. Supposedly they will shut down a channel for threatening that, or doing it without merit .... yet my whole channel was canceled for 4 days when this all occurred.
Alex, dude, just started watching you. Also in Seattle and re-new to the hobby with a 25 year break. You are a great source of knowledge and very genuine. Props for standing up with grace. Also, turn on ads, dude. We all skip them anyway. Make the money you should for all the work you do. Seriously, make the money and do good things with it! Heck, give it to others who need it.
@@Fishtory nope, will check it out. Trying to absorb as much as I can, because ultimately I want to go aquaponics and I figure all the principles are the same. I accidentally ended up back in this hobby because I rescued three abandoned and forgotten outdoor gold fish in the dead of night a couple months ago. Now 4 tanks later...(4th one is still in cycle with some snails) and is looking to be a shrimp and tetra home because my girlfriend has now fallen in love with shrimp. Lol. Sigh. Appreciate the work you do and the sharing with the rest of us. Namaste
Here is a link to the fascinating true story of the Woman who invented the modern Aquarium Hobby & Marine Ecology
ruclips.net/video/sLTqF75Hp3Y/видео.html
Overlooked and downplayed for 250 years, her story should be share. Jeanne Villapreux-Powers
This comment on this video made me laugh.
This was the first video I watched of yours and have been hooked since, 👍
Right on! Thanks for taking a chance and for watching the channel. I greatly appreciate it.
When you did that live stream on this topic I wrote a paper about it !
This was one the first of videos I saw of your work. I was so impressed with the history and information you shared. I write academic papers regularly, I understand the amount of research it takes! Kudos. And that she was a woman like I am. It was so awesome to see you recognize a woman's contribution to the hobby. Well done!!
Trial by fire. Proud of you for standing your ground.
Thank you Lou. I'm too stubborn not to haha
Speaking of videos to put ads into, 🤣. I watched the video on your Facebook page so maybe you already added them here. 5 mins , AD , 5 mins , AD.... Etc etc.. oh brother.. At least everyone got to be ....AD! This is rich 🤑😂
@@onedirtyplaty5120 I'm not getting any ads. It depends on your browser. Try Brave browser, it's awesome
Is he high drunk or stupid
@Father Fish, YES!!!!😾👍
I'm so sorry, but I'm about to be quite long-winded. This was really personal to me. The tactics (manipulation, lies, gaslighting, condescension) he was using throughout this video were EXACTLY the same tactics my abusive, narcissistic ex used on me for a couple of years. This behavior is absolutely unacceptable and is an example of the #1 problem that plagues our hobby IMO. Hobbyists come here to learn- and when someone who is supposed to be a leader/influencer in this hobby treats others like this and outright refuses to admit when they're wrong, it really turns people off. They don't want to be a part of this hobby if the guys at the top are more concerned about proving someone wrong instead of continually learning, bettering yourself, learning the different methods for keeping an aquarium, being humble, and willing to accept it when you are wrong. Just because you have status does not mean you are always right, and it DEFINITELY does not give you a license to treat others like sh1t. I will never watch Joey's videos after seeing this. The amount of times he called himself a genius, the best of the best, etc etc. Then, he claimed that YOU said that???! He said it far more times than you did. I'm honestly shocked at how you kept your composure during this interaction. You're already my favorite aquarist RUclipsr, but I have to say, this makes me admire you even more. Thank you for uploading this and standing your ground. If he never talks to you again, then good. The trash took itself out. If only this video would be seen by all of his subscribers. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone here doesn't care if you put ads in or not. He just hates the idea of someone else not putting money at the forefront. He feels guilty about it. What he said ("but everyone puts ads in, just do the same as everyone else") is literally the definition of being a sellout. Thank you for being brave, humble, and honest.
Thank you for your thoughtful response to all this. I too grew up with and had been in relationships with people using the same gaslighting narcism unfortunately. But i was fed up being nice when he said "pshh a woman couldnt have... well it WAS NOT A WOMAN pssh haha"... it just made me realize i shouldnt have even platformed him more. He filed a lawsuit against me, got my channel banned permanently (finally i was able to appeal it thanks to help from some bigger channels that helped appeal the ruling.) But he threatened me and my wife.... also switched to name calling and offering me $5,000 to delete it... on and on for nearly 3 weeks. Anyhow others had screenshot recoreded it and were making highlight reels of it...which isnt fair either... so im glad i held my ground against his requests to delete it then and there.
Thanks for your support and compassion. Im sorry youve been the recipient of the same sort of abuse. You know you're right, and you're strong for getting passed that. Have a great week. Cheers, Alex.
@The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium They sure come for everything you have once you've exposed them without their mask. The good thing about having had those experiences in the past is that our alarm bells start ringing earlier than someone who doesn't recognize the traits of a narcissist. I saw right through it within the first couple minutes of the video. You did the right thing by challenging him and not bending over, yet continuously being incredibly respectful. Seeing you stand up to him like that was amazing, because I was always too scared to stand up for myself. You're going places Alex. I'm sure everyone can see that you're a person with a lot of integrity. You're exactly the type of leader we need in this hobby. Take care of yourself.
@bl0pez772 what speaks the loudest about his character is the fact that the guy nearly ended up in prison for the rest of his life for attempted murder..
Funny how some people gain perspective and compassion through their own diversity. They and you Alexander, seem to gain enlightenment. Others on the other hand, don't gain a damn thing other than a better cornered rat act. I've watched a number of his videos and he lost me with the damn eel. I watch Alexander to learn
This video makes sence to me... I'm from nova scotia and Truro is a trash town.... Alex you are an inspiration and he was ashamed...trying to hide an attitude faker than his smile and now he pimps his wife for views
This confirms what I have always felt about Joey. He's simply manipulative and egotistical. He did nothing but boast about himself and what he's done, then when you called him out on something he tried to pretend it was a joke. He does does click bait all the time too. Ugh finally this verifies what I've been feeling
Well it's hard to disagree lol. Thanks for confirming my reality
Not only that, but in watching parts of this again today I noticed how Joey is so bored when they aren't talking about him that he actually stresses and fidgets. Sometimes it's so hard to wait until he can talk about himself again that he actually interrupts Alex to bring the narrative back around to him.
@@kyfarm Well narcissists are bored easily when the focus isn't on themselves. They will eventually get hostile because of how bored they are and irritated because they feel their time is being wasted. No one should give him any time to waste however.
That’s literally all he did, so odd, I like his videos but when someone shows a insane unhealthy ego I drop them real quick
It's all about money nd showing off ,
Luckily JOEY INVENTED the Aquarium Hobby!!!!
I'm in Australia, and started keeping tropical fish in 1983 when I was 17.
Thanks to Joey when he was only 3...................Thanks Joey............LOL :)
Man he was active so young... lucky for you lol
@@Fishtory he's Super talented, and that's to be fairly recognized and commended. At the same time, he's the Donald Trump of Fishkeeping.
Good entertaining video until the end. Alex you should have edited some of that. It really could have been a great video. I felt uncomfortable for him. You both make great videos but this could come across wrong and nobody benefits. That was not entertaining. Live and learn.
@@AussieAquatic ? I don't get i.
@@deneng0259 entertaining? It was gag inducing all the way through. Alex tries to keep the conversation on uplifting topics and all Joey does is talk about himself or trash talk other people. Its hard to watch. Normally when I turn on a YT channel and hear someone puffing themselves up I close the video immediately. I'm only watching this because I wanted to see what set off the issues between Joey and Alex. But ugh. If I had switched this on and seen it live I wouldn't have been able to watch more than a minute of it.
The amount of times he was either despondent, patronizing, hypocritical, gaslighting, or just plain wrong is astounding. I'm sorry you had to endure so much of this. I am going to comment a few times for engagement.
Why thank you very much haha
Exactly! I’m so annoyed lol He is extremely full of himself and man it shows 😳 But it also shows he is deep down just insecure having to always pump himself up while pushing others down, which is why he reacted SO harshly. He can’t handle it when he perceives an attack even if that attack was just in his imagination. 🤷🏻♀️ he definitely showed his ugly side, and that’s not your fault 💩
I am glad you are honest and have pride in building community and knowledge ❤ I chose the right creator to follow ❤️
@@MissChelsea he made himself sound like such an idiot. I don't know how anyone could take him seriously after this, I bet he doesn't want his subscribers to see this.
That ending was extremely weird. I was a fan back in the day when he was starting his aquarium gallery. Over the years, I've really seen him being manipulative and his ego really got to his head. Such a shame that it happened like this. Good on you for standing your ground.
He sued me to gain control of MY content lol...they tossed the case and overturned the youtube strikes he filed falsely...but he pissed me off bad enough that I posted it 5 days after I filmed it...I had actually left it private after it first aired but he threatened me and harassed me and I can't stand entitled brats.
@@Fishtory He sued you. haha....what a dip shit.
@@Jbayz new clearly got a substance abuse issue, he’s got insane highs and low, lows.
His energy was immaculate like five years ago. I watched a recent vid a while ago and even though he didn’t do anything in particular, I felt the change.
@@Fishtorywow I was a fan of Joey up until I saw the ending and him trying to sue you.
Can’t stop watching the end of this. It’s like a psychology case study.
Lol
…. Of a sociopath
@@bunnyviperaquatics2108 narcissist imo.
I am glad I stopped watching him a long time ago. Strange guy. Alex please don't let him bring you down in anyway. He really has issues and I do feel bad for him. I hope he gets the help he needs. He didn't mean it as a joke. He tried to insult you.
Yeah I don't wanna promote the video, don't want it suggested...but the people who know will know, and it was live , so they can decide for themselves how to feel if they wanna find it. I appreciate your support. I just don't want drama overshadowing the time I spend looking into topics and all the great people in the community who teach me things daily... it was like bad reality TV at the end
He absolutely meant what he said with every fiber of his being. And if he didn't, what an extremely bizarre thing to joke about. Not because it's a sensitive topic, but simply because it's weird and random.
'Oh, by the way you were wrong about that lady, she didn't invent the word aquarium, ha ha ha.'
'Huh? No I wasn't. Here's the proof. Why would you even say that?'
'Haha, whatever BRO, I'm just making a joke haha.'
No, Joey. You weren't. You thought you had an opportunity to refute something that was said by someone else, and thereby elevate yourself in the process, and you were so overjoyed by this that you couldn't hold back your joyous laughter. And when you were shown to be full of shit, you backpedalled and pretended like it was all a joke, and then pathetically heaped veiled scorn on Alex in an attempt to gaslight him. We all watched it. You are worse than a douchebag.
they both seemed a bit sloshed
@@heaven7360 I may have seemed it...but im 13 years sober :)
@@Fishtory Good for you Alex. God bless you.
Why is he so abrasive? It got weird when Cory came up and he started talking so negative. What does it matter that what Cory is doing if you are successful? He needed to go to aquarium events to confront people. He brings people on his podcast to confront them for things they said. Normal people don't feel the need to act so aggressive and intimidating. It's almost like roid rage. He needs to assert his dominance as 'king' of the aquatic RUclips community. Alex watching you get dragged into a poop throwing contest while trying to be accommodating is hard to watch. Tbh watching his podcast with Ohio fish rescue was super cringe also. People should not feel the need to tip toe around Joey to avoid a lash out. He seems super bitter that he isn't the only RUclips aquarium personality. He prob feels threatened because he has literally no other future or career as lucrative as RUclips used to be for him so he's lashing out at his competition. Reinvent yourself. Instead of being mad at your followers continue to be a leader with your own original content and be flattered that you set the standard.
100% thanks for your thoughts
I agree 100% . I think he is overly cocky and over confident. Dude you are a fish nerd on RUclips. It's cool or whatever but are you really changing people's lives? He feels the need to repeat over and over again that he's so great! Turned me off. Alex on the other hand is interesting, highly intelligent and a down to earth guy.
Yeah what do you call that? He's done plenty, but seems insecure anyway.
I totally agree with you @mckillaguerilla2 I couldn't understand the way Joey treated Ohio Fish Rescue in his podcast as well. I thought Joey was way out-of-line. It was the only podcast of his I've listened to and decided that I wouldn't waste my time with any others of his. I'm glad it wasn't just me that felt that way. If you want to listen to a great podcast, go to podcast 55 of The Aquarium Guys where they interview ALEXANDER WILLIAMSON FROM THE SECRET HISTORY LIVING IN YOUR AQUARIUM! You're awesome Alex!
There may be a Napoleon complex going on there, who knows.
Imagine having such a big ego you ask the host who has just spent two hours of his time to create content to not post the content because you, the guest, came off as arrogant. Alex, well handled.
Thanks. I actually didn't post it at first. I figured "meh, everyone's got bad days"...but then he hit my channel with false copyright claims and it was frozen for 72 hours until youtube could appeal his false DMCA strikedown. So I got really frustrated, and 5 days after the fact decided to make the whole thing public
@@Fishtory any attempt to freeze a monetized channel is cowardice. Dudes ego was on full display here.
When someone can't get over their enormous ego when they get called out for being incorrect, that is ButtHurt!
Meanwhile he says he knows he is arrogant etc at the beginning of the video and he don't care what people think.
He got caught red handed didn't like it, tried to play it off as a joke, realized that didn't work tried to turn it around on Alex.
The guy is a douche always had been.
They always say “don’t meet your idols” idky this dude would be anyone’s idol.
Definitely not an idol...but still very pivotal to the hobby 12- 8 years ago
@@Fishtory For sure "years ago"... but now he's all about the money and fame! His content offers nothing to the average hobbyist now.
@@Fishtory EXACTLY! Desperately seeking relevance!
I will not speak the name of the other Guy Alex you are a true Pillar of the Fish Hobbie.
I have the greatest respect for you my Friend. YOU are Davey Who Just Slayed Goliath. KEEP BEING YOU BROTHER!!! Much love man!!!
Right back at you Kenny!
Hey dude you standing up to Joey in this way respectfully snd being transparent is so badass you’ve gotten a lifetime follow man your passion is impressive and inspiring
Whoa, thank you so much for that support. I really appreciate it. I just had tollerated enough ego and bs / disrespect by the end and couldn't let him dump on the woman I look up to the most in the whole hobby basically.
I will promise this is my only drama video out of 700 and half a decade, if you wanna learn about fish and plants, you're in the right spot.
Welcome!
So glad he stood his ground and uploaded it. This Joey dude is a joke trying to blame Alex for him looking stupid af! Alex is a good man! So much respect to Alex!
I didn’t look “stupid”... the whole ending will damage his channel, not mine. Read my pinned comment. I was not lying. I was joking. Proof linked in my comment.... from Feb21 2020! I just could t remember the name.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ).
And threatening to hurt his channel is just plain wrong.
@@thekingofdiy His whole channel is pretty much as Raw as it gets. It wont hurt either of you to be honest miscommunications happen everyday. Alex doesn’t joke the way you do. Either way the end end when you said wait this is still live made me laugh so hard made my day thank you.
@@thekingofdiy maybe stupid wasn’t the right word, but honestly I can’t think of a better one... anyone will tell you and if you can muster the stomach to watch your self act like a childish entitled boy than tbh I can’t blame you. Because anyone will tell you that Alex didn’t do anything wrong and all the blame falls onto you. Seriously I challenge you to watch the video. I lost all the respect in the world for you. You did not look like you were kidding, and how can you blame Alex for making you give him your answer when you literally just told him always fact check and don’t always believe a youtuber? Sorry dude but Alex did nothing wrong. As someone who was a fan of both of you guys and who watched as a equal, I quickly lost all respect man for you with how you acted at the end. So cringe and hard to watch a grown ass man act the way you did. I hope you can learn to humble yourself real quick. Alex was a true gentleman in that situation. Proud of you Alex!
@@thekingofdiy did you really like all your own comments. 😂 😂 😂 wtf? 🤦🏽♂️
Your face at some points says it all, how you kept your cool with this interview. Respect that you kept trying to steer it into a more constructive conversation, even though he didn't want to let you talk. Keep doing what you do.
Thanks. I was just in total shock
He didn't want to talk about anything except how amazing and awesome and humble he was (🤮) and how awful all the other content creators are 🙄
i believe that Joey read somewhere that some guy invented the aquarium. As for the rest, I think he needs a translator. When he says "I was trying to be funny," what he meant was "I was trying to (jokingly) look smarter than you." When he says, "I didn't know you'd get all emotional" what he meant was, "I didn't know you'd call my bluff and show that I really don't know as much as you do about who started the hobby." Embarrassing.
That was my understanding as well. Cheers
No he was thinking of the first person credited with importing and breeding paradise fish and Betas, outside of Asia. Pierre carbonnier
I believe he just assumed it was a man because he's a misogynist.
OMG you are NOT in the wrong here Alex! Glad that we got so much information in the livestream and you handled the ending well and respectfully.
Bott comment
Before Alex said he is being manipulative I said to myself Joey is being manipulative.
Yes Alex really had patience for hours and then when Joey actually came for him trying to delegitimize his whole channel Alex was ok enough lol
Joey went off at the end, clearly impaired or unbalanced, LIVE, and tried very unsuccessfully to flip it on Alex. Total Fail hence The Takedown Request.
Yeh bet that was cola and whiskey he was drinking,was half pissed at the end
@@born2fightt oh wow
I just watched the video where they raided your new store, it looks great and I wish I had such a nice LFS in my area!
Didn’t he say he’s manic and bipolar In the first 10 minutes?
@@probablyabouttoargue3264 More like off his meds!
I used to respect Joey for his grind. But this past 2 years he has really let his ego take over. Also, I don't get why he hates Cory when Cory sent people to his go fund me for the aquarium gallery. I have never met either one of them but I feel like Cory would be more approachable. Either way this just shows who the real "King of Diy" is.
Yeah well Cory has the last laugh...Cory is raking in the cash and growing every day. So they both may work hard, but clearly Cory doesn't work the hardest at stoking his own ego with the majority of his energy lol
@@Fishtory Cory being a workaholic definitely shows in all he does! While yes, he is promoting his store, he's also transparent about that, and delivers so much accessible information to beginners *and* more advanced hobby members, and his genuine passion for the hobby is obvious and infectious. It's the secret to his success.
Joey has always seemed like "a youtuber", who is more ego than substance to me. This just confirms for me that he truly shows some personality disorder traits that alarm me, and have made me lose any respect for him. You handled his tantrum perfectly, well done. That isn't easy, to hold your ground while keeping your cool during a confrontation, especially in the face of someone (with a much larger following) attempting to manipulate and control you.
Love the history and science aspects of your channel, new subscriber here! (oh, and I didn't sub because of this either, found your channel when looking up what micro creatures my pygmy cory fry must have been feasting on when they appeared in my cory tank! I hadn't even realised the adults had spawned, lol).
@@Fishtory I think you can see whos the more likable person between these 2 really easy. Multiple channels have came to work for Cory and Dean is a fun person to watch with him as well. Whos standing there with Joey in these videos besides this young girl hes unfortunately roped in? lol
OMG. Joey showing himself for what he truly is. So much disrespect towards his host & other RUclipsrs. Narcissism oozing from every pore.
man joey, you could heat a fish room with that gaslight
Joey: "i don't care if you post this"
Joey: "i'm asking you not to air this"
Joey: "you are butt hurt"
Joey: "I get along with everybody"
"your being emotional"
Don't forget "This happens all the time"....
Don't forget "It wasn't a girl" and "I don't know the name off the top of my head"
So you're certain it wasn't a woman but you can't remember who it actually was. Riiiiight....
Also, would just like to say a big hello to Joey because he is 100 percent reading all these comments.
Of course
Wow. That’s insane! His reaction, the fact he said at one point said under his breath ‘damn this happens all the time’ should tell ya something Joey
Yeah i didnt post it for a week...then he started threatening me to film myseld deleting it or hed sue me...then he filed lawsuit papers (which of course were tossed immediately)... but i posted the video as public again
@@Fishtory good on you bud. Deffo shone a new light in him. I did stop watching him a couple years ago but this has confirmed my decision about him
Yeah it happens all the time because he's a douchebag That's like if you keep getting divorced it's probably not your ex-wives or husbands it's you that's the idiot I love when people are and always happens to me Will stop being a douchebag
Where in the video was this?
I'm sorry as I want to support both of these men, but Joey takes himself WAY too seriously. @Secret History you are a fantastic person and I have so much respect for how you tick -- you have one of the most integral channels in the hobby and I think it's because of the way you tick. I watch because your personality kicks butt and the way you share your research is great. Hope your philosophy stays strong brother!
That is far too kind of you to say. But thank you very sincerely for the support
That was an unfortunate ending. I want to reassure you from an outside perspective that the misunderstanding was entirely on his side.
Feb 21, 2020. I went live on Instagram(post is still there) and talked about how world aquarium day should be made to be more meaningful. I mentioned why not name it after the person who coined the phrase “aquarium”.... Philip Henry Gosse. Born 1810. THAT is what I was referring to. THAT is what I was talking about at the end of this video.
I wasn’t making anything up. I wasn’t lying. I wasn’t upset.
Either way, it’s Not the point. I was just joking around with him. Trying to end it on a high note.
I was joking and had I remembered his name at that exact moment, it would have allowed for a fun debate or conversation. However I felt it might also simply get everyone to research the topic. I don’t know, this was going in circles and I was tired of talking about myself, so I thought of something quickly.
Instead, I was taken the wrong way. I apologized. I said sorry. I talked about the miscommunication. I then mentioned he should delete the video(we could have done a better job and I didn’t want to end it like that). He Kept recording for several minutes while I was under the impression he was not.
How this is a thing is simply Because it’s me.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ).
@@thekingofdiy Dude, you called him a dick. Your arrogance throughout the stream had to be expected by anyone who has listened to you in the past but to take it to the level that it ended up was way over the top. All I heard was petty jealousy and sour grapes. I’m also disappointed in Alexander for bringing up how Cory was in high school! Dude, how long ago was that? And what were YOU like way back then?
What an incredibly telling stream.
Whatever man. Yet another emotional outburst from you, followed up by more backtracking with excuses. Crazy man. You’re like the Jersey Shore of fish keeping. Joey “The Fishuation”
@@thekingofdiy I understood your perspective on the situation and what you were trying to say. You misconstrued several things said by Alex in a very negative light. That perception was entirely yours and the audience was as confused as him. The reaction you felt was necessary in response to those perceived slights was unprofessional and condescending. We all have rough days, but we're all friends here. Keep it cordial.
Glad you uploaded it. Needs to be seen to show this guy's true colors. Great interview, Alex. You did nothing wrong.
True colours? Wrong person. I don’t record people when they don’t know they are(end of video) and I wouldn’t upload if he didn’t want to. He got some attention and chose money and attention over integrity. Go figure. I called it.
Now for what actually happened:
Feb 21, 2020. I went live on Instagram(post is still there) and talked about how world aquarium day should be made to be more meaningful. I mentioned why not name it after the person who coined the phrase “aquarium”.... Philip Henry Gosse. Born 1810. THAT is what I was referring to. THAT is what I was talking about at the end of this video.
I wasn’t making anything up. I wasn’t lying. I wasn’t upset. Look at my post from feb 21 2020 on my IG... it’s all there.
Either way, it’s Not the point. I was just joking around with him. Trying to end it on a high note.
I was joking and had I remembered his name at that exact moment, it would have allowed for a fun debate or conversation. However I felt it might also simply get everyone to research the topic. I don’t know, this was going in circles and I was tired of talking about myself, so I thought of something quickly.
Instead, I was taken the wrong way. I apologized. I said sorry. I talked about the miscommunication. I then mentioned he should delete the video(we could have done a better job and I didn’t want to end it like that). He Kept recording for several minutes while I was under the impression he was not.
How this is a thing is simply Because it’s me.
@@thekingofdiy I highly suggest you watch the video. That way you can see what happened from an outside perspective, see how you sounded, and how you reacted. A bit of self reflection. You even rudely said 'I don't care', when he was explaining about the Egyptians ( 1:51:36 ).
Alex never said he stopped recording. He kept ASKING YOU if you wanted to end it, but you never said yes. It's not his fault you ignored his question, and didn't pay attention.
@@thekingofdiy Always a good idea to clarify when Live :( hope you don’t hate Alex he’s truly a good guy
@@thekingofdiy bro he never stopped recording and you freaking knew it. Quit acting like the victim here. As you can see not one person is taking your side. You looked foolish and childish and yes your true colors came out the whole interview. You were cocky you acted as if you knew everything you talked down on other streamers and you acted as if your the saving grace of this hobby. Acting like you didn’t know you were live. No one in there right mind would have thought the stream was over. Also look how your continuing to go on and on about this to save your ass and the person (Alex) you continue to talk crap about and talk down too still keeps in 💯 and acts as a true adult and a humble person and hasn’t said anything much less anything negative about how you truly acted and how horrible you made yourself look. You should really watch how cringe you are as a person in that video. But I bet you wouldn’t be able to make it through. 🤦🏽♂️
@@thedon219 well said
I think most people missed the most despicable portion of Mullen's rant (01:48:20) when he tried to belittle the idea of a woman having the ability to coin the term “aquarium” and pioneer the hobby. I commend you Alex for standing by your research and defeating his deplorable misogynist conjecture. You exude integrity and I appreciate your channel and its dedication to enhancing science and knowledge. I think your content is cerebral and appeals to those who love the hobby because of the holistic effects of caring for an ecosystem compared to his vacuous sole commercial venture. Keep up the brilliant work!
THANK YOU KAREN! I'm so glad you noticed what really upset me at the end. The whole story of the amazing Jeanne Villapreux-Powers is about her work not getting the respect it was due ...and she was 30 years ahead of any men in the field. So when he said that I knew he either didn't watch it...or care to even do basic research into this hobby he claims to be the king of... and had he some really messed up assumptions at that. That It couldn't have been a woman. Especially when this hobby is about being human, about being a part of Nature and nurture, and we need all the new folks we can get...especially young women. But the hobby builds conservation and appreciation for nature's complex yet seemingly effortless beauty.
Thank you again, Karen.
Have a great upcoming weekend.
He referred to her as "that girl". So obvious that her gender is what he had the issue with.
I feel bad for Tamara.
I as a female have kept fish since 1968 and was treated as a weirdo because of it. Wish I knew about Ms. Powers all those years ago. It has made me very happy to see the number of women in the aquarium hobby growing.
Now I see why Tamera always looks so unusually timid.
I don't wanna go "there"... but I will say, when he went off at the end, that and anyone else in his family or daily life flashed through my brain... like "this guy clearly knows the routine of gaslighting and pulling this stuff. It must be working sadly"...which also made me put my foot down finally
Showed my friend to get her opinion and she called him “the King of DIYK,” lol 😂🤣 I bursted out laughing!
Alexa - what is gaslighting?
Joey and I have not seen eye to eye before, but watching this up to 1:56:00 I was about to defend him as it looked like just a simple misunderstanding and crossed wires and everyone must be jumping on the 'take a pop at the King' wagon, but the last 10 mins was hard to watch. Joey invented an issue, escalated it then doubled down on the gaslighting. Even if he was right it wasn't handled very well. Hopefully he can use this for a period of self reflection because as one of the largest ambassadors for this hobby he needs to do better with this sort of thing.
Hi Graeme, For me, I saw a few stages during this livestream. Joey started by being cagey - it was like why am I talking to the little people. Then as he started to critique other FishTubers he started to warm up. Interesting that MD got dragged into this. Feeling the competition perhaps...? Young guy with a fast growing channel...
Then he started to basically lay claim to have been the first one to do anything fish on RUclips and for paving the way for everyone else, who btw, are all doing it wrong. He was enjoying this part . Especially the bit where he points the camera at his companion and goes ‘this is my girlfriend’ (???). And finally the neurotic sociopath appeared at the end when Alex challenged/corrected him on a point of history.
Plenty to talk about next Friday... 😉😅
He seems to resent that responsibility
It is a shame. Even his critiques were actually almost fair. Undertones of bitterness but I think he just has a paranoia issue at times. I'd imagine the drink wasn't soft and probably helped to induce the end. Its a shame really. I think Alex handled it very well. You could see him running through the options and chose the one he should've have chosen and was always polite.
The final straw was when he hit my channel with a DMCA takedown strike... honestly, I had decided to keep this video out of the public...however a dozen or more folks ripped it live and uploaded clips (also with no context)... so when youtube basically responded with "the take down was on an unmonetized, unlisted members only video that joey doesn't own ...yet he lied saying he had no idea he was being interviewed live or on youtube...after that battle and a legal court affidavit...I made it public.
Our hobby doesn't need this crap or drama, but people do deserve the truth to choose who they want to elevate in the hobby.
I gave Joey a decade of benefit of the doubt.
Hey thank you so much for seeing that. I really tried to steer this ship away from icebergs while not challenging him.. but the blunt challenge of my video ..which IS ALL ABOUT a woman who didn't get the credit she deserved for her life's work...and then he doubled down on his ego and trying to play silly childish games , I had enough with him- but also knew if I turned it off, that would be the end of it publically but not privately...as he had already begun harassing me in dm's while he was "in the bathroom" I guess?
But I still chose to keep the video private until he hit me with a legal DMCA take down full of lies in his testimony. So youtube did the right thing, and I decided it had to go public now...but with full context and the "worthwhile " parts from the first 90%.
Thanks for your input and feedback though
After watching the entire interview, I wonder if he realized he didn't want all the previous conversations regarding other youtubers and what not to be public. If he really had a problem with the end, trimming it would be fine, but wanting to delete the entire thing after something like this seems as though he is trying to keep the rest of the conversation hidden and that this was the way to do it. It also makes a lot more sense now that he might being coached by his girlfriend on what to say as he is looking over at her direction. I find this entire situation fascinating because I feel as there is more to this than just the end of the video.
On a related note, I have definitely seen a divide between those creators that fall into the influence of Aquarium Coop and DIY, with a couple independent people out there. Could never figure out what the divide was from, but this video helped shed some light onto it. Very interesting indeed.
I think you are correct
Joey’s comments about Cory from Aquarium Coop couldn’t be more off base. He comes off as a tiny, threatened, terrible person.
Big time. Cory works his butt off. He's probably one of the most ambitious people in the hobby. The thing I was eluding to, is that he is a businessman with a real sustainable empire, rather than a youtuber schlepping Merch or affiliate deals
EDITED: You handled yourself well at the end. Joey is a mess.
This entire discussion was toxic.....from the ridiculous, hackneyed populism, to the shockingly evident narcissism that exudes from Joey’s every pore.
I've met Cory and Jimmy and they are nice people. I can understand the business aspects of what he does. It's obvious that Joey feels threatened.
@@STELLASCUTENESS It creeped me out. I have had a couple of narcissistic bosses, and I'm not kidding it traumatized me.
You cannot reason with them. They are robots.
Ironically, Joey going off on Cory made me respect Cory even more. When Cory talks about Joey it's obvious that Cory doesn't agree with Joey. But I've NEVER heard Cory bash Joey in a public setting, and especially like Joey talks about Cory. Joey needs to grow up and learn how to disagree with someone without mocking and bashing them.
Yeah 100%
Ive never heard Cory Bash anyone. Super disappointed in Joey. You dont air your beef bro be more respectful. Ive watch most of Joeys and Corys vids and have never heard him bash anyone and if he did he never once put there name out on blast. Im actually excites to see how many followers hes gunna lose over this. Sounds like Joeys jealous of Corys success. Hopefully he can be better and not so juvenile.
@@2009kohen timestamp?
Same!
@@nicholaskennedy8173 33:40 starts conversation
Someone needs to remind him at the end of the day he keeps fish in tanks which is a hobby.It's no big deal and its hardly rocket science.God forbid he should be doing something important with his over inflated ego.
Wow, didn't realize what a complete jerk Joey was before this video.
*Shrugs* nor did I...what a bummer
I never realized what a petulant child he was. The reason he lost it is because he can’t handle admitting being wrong. He’s “always right”. I would have respected him far more without the baby temper tantrum. You handled it really level headed and did not let him get to you. Awesome. I’ll be unsubscribing.
Well I appreciate your sentiment and support. I promise that the other 700+ videos I have, are far more nerdy and boring (to non-aquarists). Clearly Joey doesn't know much about science or in depth thinking, but it saddens me that clearly he DOESNT WANT TO KNOW either
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium we are all wrong at times, and to be honest I’m wrong a lot. But there is tremendous wisdom in learning from mistakes instead of throwing tantrums. Maybe I should sympathize with him? He clearly has some issues to work through .
idk bru joey seemed genuinely mixed up on info. plus its fish history 😂 alex had no reason to claim hes lying
Wow, l'm really concerned for people's mental health in this social media world. At the same time we're living in an Orwellian society. Sending you love Alex. 🍀
They aren’t healthy people, being “social media famous” isn’t famous at all. It’s a false sense of self and everything else. I have a channel that I devote to my job which is teaching mma and kickboxing but I teach street defense and what works in the cage or ring, so there is something to be learned, not just to see how many lazy people can hit the subscribe button lol
Holy cow!!! Not only did you very professionally deal with his overt narcissism throughout this entire conversation, but you also did an amazing job dealing with his meltdown over being wrong when trying to big d energy on your specialty… aquarium history!!! Lol! Not once did you really lash out at him… i felt suggesting he was pulling things out of his rear was a little much, but this was after he spent an entire interview talking himself up while belittling the work you have done!!! Keep up the good work! You’ve really inspired me to take my hobby to the next level and i hope to see more from you!!!
It was a bad interview all around. I shouldn't have lost my cool, clearly he is ill AND just a jerk or having a prolonged manic type episode. But I got furious when he said "push Women?! Back then?... no". As if the first page of Google is a coherent answer.
I thought he'd say a French or English naturalist ...there's 4 or 5 people I would have accepted instead lol... but yeah I just couldn't take it anymore, and went from fan to handler/advisarial accidentally. Forgive me, and please feel free to enjoy 1800+ nerdy drama free videos hahaha
Arrogant is the perfect word to describe this man's attitude.
And cringeworthy. He's so unbelievably cringey. I hope he sees this comment.
I honestly hope all of his viewers see that ending. That guy's got some really nasty behavior going on. Good for you for keeping this up and standing your ground... Can't he get in trouble for false claims on your channel?
100% in fact legal trouble and a year in jail. Plus damages for every version he took down for "damages not exceeding double the expected revenue of the highest estimate of monetary performance, as well as any civil damages or liable damages".
I just wanted my video back. No need for that ...but if I false claimed something...1. It would take weeks to take effect, and 2. I would face immediate termination on my entire channel...it says it right on the forms.
But he makes them the money in the end.
only seen a handful of your videos, but holy crap what the hell is this? You were absolutely normal and then you corrected him trying to flex on you, the tears start to flow. I've known plenty of "joeys" in my life, you're better off not knowing him. Subscribing and looking forward to more videos!
Joey is actually horrible at scaping. The worst out there on YT given his “experience”. And not to mention the constant rotation of fishes and tanks. MD and Cory are the best role models out there in this business. Not this toxic man child.
Cory has a LOT of misinformation though, he thinks aquarium salt makes brackish water. MD is the best I agree, thats why he started only 3 years ago and now has half a million subs.
@@jihartbladhest2749 I don’t nut hug or trust anyones ass in the fish hobby, I’m a fish hobbyist myself. I trust my own information on books, videos and people I know personally as well as some of the people that don’t have a big following. They are actually about facts not followers. Cory gave mis information about when the power goes out in your tanks, he gave info that inside 4 hours a heavily stocked aquarium would have deaths, he went on to say you have 6 to 8 hours before you need to worry about anything, that’s very untrue, I lost a whole salt water predator tank in 4 and a half hours with no power when I wasn’t home.
Jesus lmao you were so patient Alex.
Also, as a fellow human in recovery congrats man on 12 years sober ! (I think you said it was 12)
Anyways, I'm pretty new to the hobby and never noticed drama like this XD. Holy crap joey would not stop interrupting and talking about himself.
Lol it seemed like almost every reply he had to any question was somehow rooted in how he thinks people perceive him or his channel or whatever. I'm only writing this halfway through the video, no clue what to expect for the end of the video lmaoo
The few times that he talked about your channel he seemed to focus on telling you how to scale your channel and barely seemed to even inquire about what you even do / what you want from your channel 🙄
Some ppl don't realize they've got two ears and only one mouth lmaoo
omfg lmaoooo at the end i'm deaddddd
Strap in for the end thanks for the feedback and mine words! Also, great channel. So thank you
Lol yeah he had no idea
A lot of bitterness in the RUclips aquarium community it seems. Joey was cool to watch for a while but it's becoming increasingly clear how unbalanced and negative he is. I don't need that in my life.
I'm here to learn about fish and the hobby and Cory from Aquarium Co-op is just better for that without the baggage.
100%
Man this sucks to see, I have always followed joeys channel and enjoyed his content, but once he started his podcast it really opened my eyes to how he acts and talks to people with such disregard. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt but after seeing this... I can’t believe he can act this way, very childish and unstable... hopefully he continues to work on his mental health because this is not going to win him any fans. You handled this awesome btw, it was nice to see you stick up for yourself, and be mature and real about the whole situation...Good work bro 👍
Thank you. I tried uhhhhgg
Wow! The ego on this guy! This justifies why I unsubscribed from Joey months ago. He was so embarrassed and butt hurt after being called out on his bullshit. Aaand he had an attitude the whole conversation. I’m glad you uploaded this. People need to see it. Keep being you Alex!
Thank you. I had it unlisted ...I really want people to know that, other than him wanting to do it live, and 300 people seeing it unfold, I still left it unlisted at first...then he falsely said he didn't know he was on RUclips or give me permission to use it... (live?) And when that happened, he threatened my channel with a strike, and due to this, I had to upload the full context, since clips are floating around...for Joey's side as well as mine honestly ...there were 90 or so somewhat productive minutes..egos or not
His true colors really showed. He lost my views and subscription. Completely thinks he is better than everyone. Tried to call you out and it back fired big time.
I un subscribed to him too. He's overly confident in himself and just a jerk.
unsubscribed
He IS better than anyone. He is Joey.
I dont even watch Joey's videos and I'm glad I wont ever click on one after seeing this. Alex stood his ground👍
@@kristilay9695 same. I think I vaguely remember a plywood aquarium build video on YT years ago (maybe that was Joey, maybe it was someone else) but I don't recognize him and have never knowingly watched his content. His content must be all clickbait and sensationalism. I tend to look for informative nerdy videos so I don't come across stuff like Joey's as much.
This really needs to be shared as much as possible. Joey is a complete wack job.
Alex. You, sir, are a legend!
Lol I decided to repost it when he threatened me...tried to bribe me and took legal action (which was tossed out immediately). All in the same week. But yeah he needs something different for sure
@@FishtoryThe bloke seemed to be doing a lot of eye rolling and smirking right from the start. He did a lot of talking over the top of you too. Definitely has some ego problems and maybe a house of cards he's trying to keep from falling down. The way he went on the attack there at the end... unreal. You're a legend for holding fast. Good man. Love your videos btw
@toothpik00 cheers. Thanks mate. Im glad that's in the past though lol 😆
I knew it! He's not eating babies with the Clinton's just yet, but certainly date-rapist since he couldn't make it as a real jock.
Jeanne Villepreux-Power 1832 from Britannica.
Wow! This is amazing. The tea and bizarre ending. At 28:01 joey predicted the end. The guy is not well mentally. I've heard there is no hope for narcissists and no one should feel sorry for them because they're so destructive. Clearly proven in this video and following events. He made some good points even though he has a warped perspective of himself.
Yeah really good interview for like 90 minutes, I thought
There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Joey continually displays arrogance. This chat went off the rails when he was challenged and could not provide the name I’m embarrassed for him
Pretty much
That was silly on Joey behalf, his ego got over him, he caught himself lying. Tried to then flip it on Alex and become the victim. Poor
I was just bummed that it sank 2 hours of discussion
@@Fishtory I know :( Continue on your path, confusion is a sly one. As Shakespeare said, oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practise to deceive. Onwards and forwards mate! Keep up the great work, stay humble and passionate :)
He talks about confronting people and being a tough guy and then makes snide remarks under his breath and cries about a less than perfect interaction being put on the internet lol
Lol yeah and I offer to bury the interview and he STILL copyright struck me. Nutty...well now it IS public
@@Fishtory props to you for how well you handled it.
Big oof. I was directed to watch the last 20 minutes from Facebook and I did so at 1.75 speed but I'll be watching the whole video later at normal speed. I unsubbed from Joey around the time he was bullying some 17 year old kid on one of his live streams and I thought that was a low as he could get. Did anyone else catch how he mentioned "woman" at least twice, in a way that was like "nah there no way a women had a hand in shaping this hobby"? Also Alex you clearly mentioned this was still live more than once, he was so blinded by his tantrum (yes Joey, this was a tantrum) that he couldn't even pay attention to what you were saying.
Joey I know you're reading this, I haven't heard your comments about Cory yet but he has taught me more than you ever did and he is more enjoyable for me to watch than you ever were. I actually cringe when I see other RUclipsrs I follow go on your podcast. I aspire to have a fish room more like Cory's than like yours. Also you need to learn what clickbait is. It's misdirecting people to click on something by making them think it's about one thing when it's about something else. I don't know if you still do this but you used to all the time, it's actually what made me stop watching you. The way you, a grown man, treated that CHILD in your Instagram live stream made me finally unsub. You cannot handle even the smallest bruise to your ego, and that's really something you need to work on. But you won't, because you think your perfect.
You pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Particularly with the clickbait for the video announcing the new fish room. That was the last straw for me. The title and thumbnail were clearly intended to portray something disastrous happening which is what got me to click. Announcing a new expansion like that is major enough on its own to warrant a view without having to resort to clickbait. I get that shutting the original room was obviously a hard, upsetting decision. But that sentiment for me went out the window quickly upon moving onto the new plans and realizing the obvious clickbait.
Also Alex, you've gained a subscriber in me after this episode. I've came across a handful of your videos recently before this so thought it was about time to subscribe for my fish nerd needs.
I keep hearing about this incident all over the fish tube, who was the kid please?
@@kyfarm he was a kid in an instagram livestream that Joey did a while back. A 17 year old said something like "go to bed" since the livestream went into the wee hours of the morning. That prompted Joey to invite him on to the live. Joey then berated him for living at home (remember he was 17) and made him pull up a picture of his girlfriend who Joey then bodyshamed and said "look at what I'm sitting next to" while pointing at his girlfriend. He went right in on his this kid, calling him a loser and saying he'd never achieve anything. All because he made a joke. Someone reposted the footage, I'll see if I can find it.
Edit: it seems the video has been deleted, but here's a reddit post of people who have seen it, including me. The original post was deleted but the comments are still there.
www.reddit.com/r/PlantedTank/comments/fvry24/youtuber_drama_joey_king_of_diy_berates_17_year?sort=confidence
@@joannemcneill156 OH!! It was just a random kid! All this time I've been thinking it was a young fish youtuber. What a freaking jerk Joey is, especially for what he said about the kid's girlfriend. And as far as the girl Joey parades around, it is so clear that she is just the rebound, and he treats her like a thing, not a person. ~~ Thank you for answering me. And for the link also.
@@johnnywalker9112 and now look where all his grandiose plans with his new fish gallery are. Shafted by someone similar to himself. Now he's chasing legal action against the landlord and lost about $40k in the endeavour. Even though I unsubbed to him after watching Alex's video, I still kept abreast of his activities with the public fish gallery. Now in the dirt and awaiting legal action...
"I'm kind to everybody" says the guy who is being very disrespectful and cruel to all of the other creators on the platform iNCLUDING THE GUY WHO IS CONDUCTING THE INTERVIEW
Yeahhh I was feeling that like 15 minutes into the interview, but trying as hard as possible to keep the ship from hitting that iceberg...but couldn't anymore by 2 hours in
He also says "if you read your private messages from the phone publically..."were gonna have fists"...then 20 minutes later reads my texts live....only proving my own point *face palm*
@@Fishtory Guess he doesn't comprehend that communicating threats is an arrestable offense. "Gonna have fists" like a fish mafia don wanna be 😂😂
Wow ive followed Joey for years. To throw shade at Cory seems nuts. That guy has traveled the world just to get fish. That isnt looking for a pat on the back. Thats time and resources spent on a passion. He's went to fish farms and put them on the map and in this past storm promoted raising money for Goliad Farms. Thats show character and support. He Sends emails of information and new stuff constantly. Can take one look at his friend Dean and Deans fish room and see the company he keeps. Ive bought his products have his filters in my tanks. They work and he gives it to you straight. What a weird video to see this makes me actually not want to watch Joey. Glad to find you Alex.
Oi I know. Im in the same fish club as Dean also... I did a tour of his fish room years ago but it's over on Dustin's planted tanks from like 4 or 5 years ago, and Cory (and finally hehs Dean's own channel too) kinda claim a monopoly on Dean's content...but he is really fun to watch. His fry systems are so ingenious and streamlined!
As for joey...super bummer
Aww man, I watched the whole thing but missed Joey tossing shade to Corey. I’m curious though but don’t wanna watch all over. Does anyone remember at what time stamp that happened?
Dude I was shocked. Its sad. Cory seems like a great guy and his business is awesome.
Where did he do that? I don’t have two hours in my down time when I watch my fish videos
Spends 2 hours throwing shade at everyone else for not knowing what they're talking about, then accuses Alex of having ego just because he DOES know actual facts. What an egotistical dork.
Wow, I'm sorry that happened to you Alex. I'm am just as confused as you looked about where that all went wrong. He talks about respecting his time yet he is asking you to also throw away your time and potential revenue.
Yeah put ads over Joey's rants
The moment this guy started chirping, it was all about me, me, me, and I, I, I.
You are so humble Alexander.....Not only do you have an endless wealth of knowledge, you explain everything so that anyone can follow along.
I pass on guys like Joey....and hes not the only one with a big channel whos allowed their own arrogance to make them completely unwatchable. Guys like this have lost the plot on their journeys.
Well I must agree with you, as much as I wish if were not the case. But I kindly thank you, for your compassion and support. Have a great week!
@@Fishtory Youre very welcome. I started working in, Id say, The premier predominantly salt water shop where I live in the earlier 1980s. Ive never forgotten how the owner taught me everything in an exciting way, and its something thats always stuck with me. There was no short supply of arrogant people back then too. I look at it more like we should all be a community, constantly learning from and teaching other and having everyone's best interests at hand. I dont get the "Im the best" mindset.....even the most seasoned hobbyists make mistakes. If there was nothing left to learn, why even bother? Well thats the issue. Some people are so set in their ways, they become blind. Im glad Im not that type of person, and you will never be that person either. You're genuine.
LMAO. And he hated on MD fish tanks. That dude is nothing but nice and humble. DIY thinks the entire hobby is in his hands. Its not. This hobby would exist without him LOL
Sadly you are correct
Ugh… I must have been distracted cause I missed the diss to MD and Corey. Any chance at a time stamp on those comments from Joey? I love Corey and MD. Both so kind. I don’t totally disagree with Joey or Alex either. But I’m questioning stuff…
@@promisepenton6669 I guess you never met Cory outside the aquarium hobby... He is a nasty piece of work if he has nothing to gain from you.
@@civrn368really? What has he done? Seems like a nice enough dude
The minute I saw his posture and mannerism - I knew Joey was about have a moment. I
Thank you Alex for all that you do. Always great content (even this ridiculousness) You are always respectful and know your history which is why I subscribe to your channel. We love you and keep being you. (Ads or not) 😂
Thanks again. PS I added ads to this video... they will remain off during others still
@@Fishtory Bro just put ads because if you don’t do it to pocket the money then RUclips will and pocket the money. Every viewer on this platform expects ads😊😁
@@DLMyth2 agreed
I watched the Stream where He insulted that kid, and it just shattered the illusion/benefit of the doubt for me.
Couldnt help but see his mean, belitteling ways shine through, combined with his constant boasting.
I am glad this is up, and shows his real side to others, so they too can see through the act.
But take care, that poor sucker isnt worth your nervs!
Im sorry MD fish tanks is the man! He's an aquascaping artist, he got his inspiration from George Farmer, so what he also happens to be handy and builds a fish tank stand, so what everyone who can build a stand copies Joey? Ha this self absorbed guy grinds my gears so bad.
At what time do they talk about MD?
@@bornbredred i dont remeber, i dont want to watch it again to find the time stamp. He said MD copied him with DIY stuff
Just found it. The fact he thinks md is copying him shows how narcissistic he is.
Unbelievable isn't it. Hope he finds the help he needs for the sake of his girlfriend and his kids, i couldn't imagine living with him.
Md hasnt done anything wrong...yet. i feel like the more tanks he has the moee negligent he gets and the worse he's gotten at scaping. Md is pretty good at just about everything and im willing to admit that while not liking him much. He does make some poor stocking decisions here and there but nothing horrible
I've only just subscribed and I haven't watched any of your videos yet, but I wanted to thank you for your respect, passion and appreciation for the hobby and research. I'm also sorry you had to have such an uncomfortable experience with a bully. I hope you're doing well :)
Thanks for the kind words. I'm definitely just moving on. But felt after everything this needed to be public. But I appreciate your approach to discussing this. Thanks for the input
Joey has some issues. I don't say that with a mean spirit. But there's something not right with him. Maybe it's mostly that he shouldn't drink and go live, I dunno. Maybe that his channel is so big he freaks out if he thinks any little thing will harm his image. I think he needs to reflect on things, though. Also, he seemed a little sexist dismissing Jeanne Villepreux-Power as a "girl", etc. Seemed kind of weird. Especially since he was wrong on the facts. He owed you an apology, not a false copyright strike.
Agreed. Thanks for your input, and I'm really glad you noticed what set me off... 2 hours into it, he didn't watch the video...didn't know what he was talking about and then dismissed the incredible Jeanne Villapreux-Powers....just like most of science and men did most her life...and this attitude is definitely why her legacy isn't more well known.
I just got fed up at that comment
Well said 👍🏽👍🏽
OMG you are NOT in the wrong here Alex!
Joey was right on one thing, there are people copying him to be the next big thing, instead of been them. You are very original on what you do and how you do it, so keep it up. Ads or not we will watch your stuff. You handled the confrontation well and I am glad you kept it.
Thanks buddy. Aaannnd Ads are staying at the lowest setting.
@@Fishtory I hated when he was rude and dug at the ‘starving artist’ lifestyle - there is nothing wrong with living humbly while pursuing your passion. This guy was a total jerk and clearly very materialistic. You were accommodating and calm the entire way through. He’s so insecure and egotistic and doesn’t realize he talks himself in circles about bullshit. You were doing your best to be agreeable but he was being rude and aggrieved the entire way through. So shitty. And dude needed to put his drink down lol
There may be people copying him but he also copied others.
He says Cory copies him maybe he does a bit but Corey and others were making huge tank videos long before Joey was.
I totally assumed that the title of this video was either click bait or meant as a joke. Boy was I wrong.
Yeah I don't clickbait...and this is the only drama you'll see in 730 videos. I appreciate you saying as much. Put politely invite you to sidestep this ugliness and learn something nerdy about fish if you're in the mood!
Cheers.
You did well mate. You were respectful the whole way. He has been inseminated with ego. Is vile to listen to. It's a shame he believes his own hype. I really think that he believes he is The Hobby. Long live Cory and MD. Both fantastic! Keep up the vibes!
Right on Simon positive vibes and respectfully educating or learning are the way to go. Pardon the silly drama in this video, it was a matter if principle to post it...but my other videos are all fishy nerd worthy 😉
By the way Alex, I have gone back and watched everything you have ever recorded. People like me find your work very interesting 🤔.
I love you haha. Thank you so much for all your support, compassion and comments
I love how much you love history and it shows through. The fact you can pull up names/dates/ history so well is an AMAZING trait. It is one thing scripted but you can tell this is your passion. Thank you for sharing with us.
Thank you. It's what over 700 videos are based around the last 5 years I've been on RUclips, and I have degrees in archaeology, history and Anthropology...so all that kind of helps me keep refreshing my research and ideas. But the key is I'm just always excited to learn something new from anyone... I will almost always try and check that it is accurate if possible, but still- you never know when you'll find the missing piece to a whole new story that was 80% figured out and then you start a new project and find those missing puzzle pieces, in some completely unrelated subject.
Thanks for your support and enthusiasm!
My parents bred angel fish in the 90's as I was growing up. I have kept fish my whole life since. It wasn't until your videos though that I really grew a curiosity for the knowledge of why and how beyond just basic care. I find it fascinating and a breathe of fresh air in this hobby. I have been a lurker on your videos for awhile. You and Rachel are the 1st ones I go to when I am considering a new fish for my aquariums :). Not everyone wants showy. I honestly like the videos where it is just chopped full of facts and passion for the hobby that we all love. I am also impressed with how engaged you are with your veiwers. We aren't just a number to you and it really truly shows. You keep it real and down to earth. I never post, but I know an experience like this can be draining and it is nice to have something positive during the added stress to remind you that you are doing a great job and that your input and experience matters. Your response to the gas lighting was well done btw and not something that is easy to do.
Oh and I love how you view learning and use the skills for what you have learned to forward yourself in that reguard. Self growth is admirable and acknowledging errors and moving forward in order to learn is a skill many lack....
I remember when I had my first mix drink
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Haha yes haha
Wow does this 'joey' guy like to hear himself talk. PUKE
I was watching the live stream and I’ve got to say, when Joey started talking about Cory and how he knows where all the skeletons are and could tell the juicy details about everyone in the hobby, it was time for me to leave. I stopped watching Joey’s channel more than a year ago, as I got tired of his attitude. Obviously, nothing has changed for the better.
Yeah... no skeletons. Just hard work and a competitive work ethic I think
Joey was arrogant throughout, but it was the ending where he couldn't handle Alex being right about who started the aquarium hobby. Joey even said "... I don't think, I know". Then when Alex asked him to specify who it was he felt attacked. Then the bashing of youtubers like Cory from aquarium coop. I unsubscribed from Joey's channel. What a petty and arrogant person. I honestly felt bad for his girlfriend sitting across from him. Though she probably felt like "Oh boy, here we go again. Except this time it's live."
You were respectful and calm through the whole thing. Good job Alex!
Thank you kindly. I appreciate the support and your thoughts. I felt bad not really defending other creators but was torn on if I bother speaking up and derailing everything right there, or if I just sort of say "yeah people are different in real life...oh well ". But Cory is smart and has a loyal following, he'll be fine ...I was more mad when he was complaining about essentially all other youtubers
Wow!! The last 10 minutes Joey completely gaslighted Alex, turned narcissistic and couldn’t even acknowledge he was having a bipolar moment.
Alex was humble, more than kind and held up his own with insane integrity!
Thanks for your input and feedback Ricardo
He needs to lay off the sauce
Too hard for him to admit that he was trying to elevate himself above Alex. You could see the unbridled joy in his face when he thought he was proving Alex wrong over something he said. That's not making a joke. That smile was all about false modesty, trying to hide an ego trip. I mean just admit it, just say that you were totally wrong, and momentarily letting your ego get the better of you. It happens to literally EVERYONE. We all have insecurities, we're all occasionally worried about how others perceive us. Just admit your fallible, human state and be humble. Who makes a joke by telling someone that their historical information is incorrect? Unless it's already a carry-over joke between 2 people, it's obvious that you're lying when you randomly claim that what you said was just a joke. I hope many of his subscribers see this video, and demand that he explain himself. He needs to come down off his lofty throne or risk losing subscribers. Maybe that's what he needs in order for him to wake up.
I see parallels to what Joey said in the video about almost doing hard time in prison. That was such a bizarre snap. 0-100 pissed off for no reason other than his own insecurities. I sincerely hope that isn't a regular behavior around his family.
If you going to call out someone who does their research you should do yours smh
Ok. So honestly the only reason I ended up here is because this got mentioned on AquaMalik's livestream, today. I had been a subscriber to King of D.I.Y. for a while now, and when I heard about this honestly I came here for the drama, but I ended up watching the entire thing. What I saw was a guy more or less crap on everyone but himself, and when you let him just go on (what any good interviewer would do in those cases) he let himself get a bit more "real" than he was comfortable with. He basically spent the entire first hour and a half talking about how everyone in the hobby is talking without actually knowing anything. Then at the end HE says he has one more thing to end on, and jumps to use the opportunity (almost as if he was waiting to do this the entire time) to call YOU out, making a claim outside of his area of expertise. When you call him on it, he realizes he has just done the very thing he spent the last hour and a half claiming everyone else does. Dude outted himself as a complete hypocrite, and when he realized it he tried to project and gaslight you. He even tried the "I have to go to the bathroom" trick to not give you a name he knew he didn't have. You did great.
Anyway, he lost a subscriber and you gained one. Keep up the good work.
Well you nailed it. Welcome to the channel, thats about the only drama that's happened in 5 years of my channel haha. We're the nerdy side of fishtube! Please make yourself right at home, and ask or contribute to any topic you enjoy! 🙏 thank you.
(Ps... I didn't make it public after his melt down, but he got my channel deleted for 4 days and when it came back and he tried to sue me. Threaten me and buy me off- i decided it had to be public (over 1,000 people saw it live anyhow).
Astute observation. And how about the "king" accusing Alex of having ego, just because Joey ran his mouth without knowing his stuff.
That was wild. Full respect to you, you remained humble, calm, and professional in the face of someone who was being irrational, manipulative, and ego-centric. Very strange interaction from Joey.
Well thanks, I should have ended it earlier and just called it a day. The whole thing I felt like fencing...even from then beginning
@@Fishtory He kept cutting you off through the whole thing which was aggressive and weird.
OH MY WORD. I am new to this hobby and had just started watching you BOTH and I am literally stunned at Joey's behavior at the end. I am unsubbing from him because I am not about that type of person. What an absolute jerk. Alex, you did nothing wrong, Joey is straight up bonkers with some serious issues.
I wouldn't want you to feel like there's some "me or him" subscribing debate. I hope people can look at his helpful videos, and good content and learn...and likewise for mine or any other channels. But I appreciate your comment, in that I just wish it would have gone better. Take care and best wishes
@@Fishtory I definitely do not think you are trying to foster a you vs him attitude but as a grown adult getting into a new hobby, I would rather support all of the positive and friendly channels. I have no interest in supporting someone who uses their substantial influence to attempt to push another channel down. So yeah, I happily unsubscribed from his channel.
Welcome to the hobby! I'm so glad you realize that Joey does NOT represent the attitude and behavior of the community. It really bothers me that he considers himself the "face of fishkeeping" when this behavior could alienate so many new hobbyists.
Alex mentions Egypt, Joey says "I don't care". 30 seconds later "The Egyptians".
Joey has some real issues. He just couldn't wait to tell you that you were wrong about Jeanne Villapreux-Powers. His research "I spend 5 minutes on Google." I guess he is the kind of person that thinks everything on Google and Wikipedia is 100% correct. Crazy how blind some people are, just sheep.
Well I thought he was going to actually argue some case for Leonard Baldner or Gosse or Alexander- or Louis Agassiz as candidates lol... but no...it was just to try and take a quick swing at me. But I just take my research and work really seriously and that got me very frustrated.
Not only did he dismiss Alex mentioning the Egyptians, but then he said the Egyptians kept KOI of all things lol!
I’m with you here 💯
@@peepslostsheep I want some of those 4000 year old egyptian koi... lol Ancient aliens 👽 perhaps?
@@Fishtory lol!
Despite Joeys bravado I’ve always liked him which is difficult sometimes especially as a Brit because we think it’s a bit off to constantly big yourself up! I don’t understand the negativity towards Cory, personally I enjoy watching him and think he’s contributed greatly towards the hobby. I think Joey treated you very badly like you’re small fry and not worthy of his time, it’s honestly very sad. Keep doing what you’re doing Alex your channel is far more interesting than Joeys and people will appreciate your honesty and just being yourself with no Bravado! Well done for standing up to him 👏
Thank you kindly. Iam Scottish by birth haha perhaps my sensibilities are closer to yours, mate. Thanks for the support
This is hard to watch. As an overly talkative person, even I was blown away at how he was totally steamrolling at every turn. Kudos on the times you could get a word in.
Fuck ... he's not acknowledging your input whatsoever
and here's the train wreck... yeah, that dude is majorly manipulative. I'm not sure what his problem is, but I'm sure it's hard to pronounce!!!!
Hahah oh man. 😅
I was sort of looking forward to Joey's answers to Alex's actually well thought out questions, but it never happened.
@@rickspringer4814 ikr???? At almost every question, Joey looked insanely distracted and wholly disinterested. It was painful to watch, almost as if he was acting like he was trapped talking to an idiot. The whole thing was painful to watch, especially every time that Joey got so condescending. I Unsub'd from him immediately after watching.
Btw Alex I absolutely love the research you put into obscure and almost lost to history aquarium related facts. Your passion for learning about this stuff shines through and matches my own and is very addictive.
After watching your vids I often find myself heading down a long internet rabbit hole on the topic. Keep up the good work. 🙂👍
Right on. This makes me so happy to hear! Thanks for the feedback. And I know the 3am Wikipedia rabbit hole....its just I've gotten into "the harder stuff"....Scholarly journal rabbit holes lol...now they meta link subjects by subject and keywords on the Scholarly journal search engines ...im in trouble lol
Someone who uses 'addictive' instead of 'addicting'. Refreshing. I don't care if it's in the dictionary, 'addicting' just feels like a slang, made up word haha.
He's an ACTUAL narcissist. FULL gaslighting at the end there. That's fucking amazing to watch. This could actually be used as an example in training psychologists.
I had a professor from a community College ask if they could use it for their psych 201 deviant psych class, oddly enough. They said it matched the text book she was using to teach from, spot on, but cycled through all the motions faster than even just explaining the range of tactics people use
@@Fishtory that is amazing. Almost as amazing as the behaviour he displayed hahaha.
seems more like psychopath, notice how his voice becomes monotone and robotic at the end when he drops his act
@@Fishtory I didn't like his vibe before seeing this but after seeing it I just hate this guy and go out of my way to leave him shitty comments often. Not for entirely this reason though. There are an abundance of reasons he makes me very angry. There are plenty of channels I do enjoy watching and they NEVER mention him or cross over with him and I wonder why? I'm a father of 2 children and it pisses me off any time I see someone living their lives as selfishly as he has chosen.
That’s exactly what I was saying right after it happened. Literally text book!
He really thinks he is the greatest of all time, holy shit. I guess success always reveals the true colors of a person.
Haaaa Joey got so embarrassed. It literally hit him that he made a fool of himself and as he suggested it was 'difficult to talk to people because egos get involved', his ego got involved and he had a melt down. Madness. He made it so much worse for himself. Have some modesty and dignity and just say maybe I made a mistake on that point.
Shrug ...lol
Holy Bipolar Batman! 1:56:45 “just delete the video.. I’ll strike you “. What a freaking head case. I’ll because he got caught making up shit. I had to do was say oh I was wrong, but he couldn’t do it; he was right about egos getting in the way.
That was just bizarre . Alex great job holding your ground , yet remaining calm . I like a lot of what Joey does but I never watch his podcasts . He is arrogant, talks over his guests , and just plain embarrasses himself .
After this I am going unsubscribe from his channel , and i will continue to watch you Alex . Good job with handling a bizarre ending !
Thank you kindly Harry I hope to keep earning your views, and apologize for this strange sideshow. I hope you have a great week!
I tried watching DIY conversation series and its all really JOEY talking about himself and his daughter agreeing. It's really sad, I wanted to support him.
I was fed up by the end...I tried real hard
@@Fishtory you def took the higher road and it looked damn good on you, cheers to ya!
That’s not his daughter loo
Generally, the interview was very well done on your part Alex. You are very skilled. The 10 minutes as said previously was very unusial. But I didn't like him saying it boring, about learning " jamming knowledge ". The people that subscribe to you enjoy your style and do not find it boring. We love the knowledge , science and history. Keep on . As for me I'm now a member as of yesterday. Integrity matters to me, Kindness, and healthy socializing.... Keep on
Aww thank you so much! And welcome. I try and post most my research and any fun or interesting stories, articles or discount deals in the community tab for members, so check there from time to time.
Also YOUR VOICE MATTERS! if I ever have info that's incorrect, and you notice, please let me know (this channel is for learning and encouraging one another, not about being right or ego.) Also if I can ever help in some way, just drop a comment or two until I see it- and I'll do my best to help you if I can. Same with if you have a topic or species you'd like to learn about. The best videos are inspired by the best part of the channel: our community!
Cheers
Alex you said nothing wrong!!... Please don't delate anything!!!
He's "toilet" break was a quick Google search.. Confirming you were right and he was wrong!!!
Lol
Well now it's back and this time public
Let the madness begin!!!!
@@craigbroderick8935 lmfao!!!
Alex I just watched this and have a new found respect for you. You handled an awkward situation so well….I had angst just watching this. It was bad enough just watching his ego throughout the good part of the interview. I’ll certainly never watch another one of his videos.
I stopped following Joey awhile ago and recently refollowed him after his positive interactions with Ohio Fish Rescue. This reminds how abrasive and manipulative of a person he seems to be.
Ohio Fish Rescue comes off as looking for someone else to fund their hobby ..
@@popparock6506 It's only as true with them as it is with pretty much any private animal rescue or wildlife shelter. Nobody forces anyone to donate
Yeah agree with both of you on this one lol
@@popparock6506 But people dumping their giant fish that have outgrown their tanks into their local lakes and rivers is truly a problem. Common plecos breeding and destroying lakes in Florida for just one example... I'm glad that there's at least one place willing to take all these pacu, gars, bala sharks etc that people cannot house and don't want to euthanise, so it's better they go to OFR than getting dumped where they don't belong, damaging local ecosystems and becoming invasive species.
Sure, it means they get to enjoy the hobby while others are funding it, but maintaining that many huge tanks takes an enormous amount of time and money, and we've seen their house/clothes etc... they're not exactly getting rich off of it. Why not turn their hobby into a rescue when there's clearly a need?
@@scarletamazon3455 I mean its nice and all, but what kind of dent are those guys really putting into the waterways of thousands upon thousands of fish?
This is the first video of yours i've seen Alex, take my sub first of all, i look forward to watching the rest of your content and thank you for showing Joey's true colors, i got mad sitting in my chair watching him spew garbage and once he realized he royally messed up he tried to back track and blame it on you and have it removed. THEN realizing like what an @$$ he must seem and tried to then have a civil discussion with you and be reasonable.
The EGO on him!
Btw, gorgeous tanks in the background. :)
Thanks my friend. Welcome to the community here. Have fun! Haha
Fish keeping will be here long after we are gone and there will always be new sensations
Thank god
OMG this was too much. Stopped right in the middle of a water change and sat down to watch and listen!Joey fought and taught himself about utube without trampling on other people. He is a truly good person and he has my respect. That ending was very unexpected and you were put in a very uncomfortable situation. You were not treated in a respectful manner. You did handle it right. Wow!
It sounds like Joey slipped up saying "I will strike..." at 1:56:54. Threatening to copy strike seems incredibly toxic
Oh he did strike... without evidence. Supposedly they will shut down a channel for threatening that, or doing it without merit .... yet my whole channel was canceled for 4 days when this all occurred.
Alex, dude, just started watching you. Also in Seattle and re-new to the hobby with a 25 year break. You are a great source of knowledge and very genuine. Props for standing up with grace. Also, turn on ads, dude. We all skip them anyway. Make the money you should for all the work you do. Seriously, make the money and do good things with it! Heck, give it to others who need it.
Haha well thank you kindly for the encouragement and support! Are you in GSAS (yet haha)? Great club for plants and fish trading monthly
@@Fishtory nope, will check it out. Trying to absorb as much as I can, because ultimately I want to go aquaponics and I figure all the principles are the same. I accidentally ended up back in this hobby because I rescued three abandoned and forgotten outdoor gold fish in the dead of night a couple months ago. Now 4 tanks later...(4th one is still in cycle with some snails) and is looking to be a shrimp and tetra home because my girlfriend has now fallen in love with shrimp. Lol. Sigh. Appreciate the work you do and the sharing with the rest of us. Namaste