It's definitely inconsistent, but I honestly think it's cool that they managed to reboot the franchise while still making it canon to the original series.
There are inconsistencies, like characters showing up where they shouldn't... but the timeline itself is not that confusing when you undestand Days of Future Past erased the original trilogy and the first two Wolverine movies.
@@Mr.wickanderson the original trilogy was erased from the timeline the movies' storyline is following. It doesn't matter if they still exist in another timeline because we're not following said timeline in the movies (and that information is provided outside the story).
It just breaks my heart knowing that Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian Mckellen are getting older. They were perfect for the roles of Professor X and Magneto. It's just a pity that we didn't have the technology and the funds and opportunities that exist today and also the investments in Comicbook movies to be able to do more with these amazing actors and human beings.
@@DatBoiChris420 They were honestly really good actors and perfect for the role imo i don't think others could do a better job ( except the cast in x men first class )
It hurts even more that neither of them and Hugh never got any accolades for their performances. It’s really sad. Especially after Logan. Such a great movie.
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different. In Origins Wolverine Xavier was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films. in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore. Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
One thing that a lot of people didn't catch is that as inconsistent at the timeline is the one consistent thing about it is that sometime in the 2020s the majority of mutants are hunted and killed. And it all comes back to a quote made in days of Future past (the first time we see the mutants future) "It's like a river - you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction."
@@reverseflash9870 as of the last movie in the main foX-Men timeline he's alive and knows magneto is his father but hasn't told him. But his leg and arm are broken.
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different. In Origins Wolverine, Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films. in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore. Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
For anyone wondering how Charles Xavier was seemingly ressurected - In the X-Men: The Last Stand's credit scene, Xavier is greeted by a nurse - Moira McTaggart - who asks him how he's doing. She was briefly mentioned previously in the movie at the school by Xavier himself, when he talks about putting someones conscious into a body with no conscious. So they somehow transferred his 'brain' into a replicate body of him.
I know and find it weird how most people seemed to totally missed that but honestly in my opinion they should have explained it a little better in x men 3 or the end of wolverine Or even Days of futures past. But hey its the x men right
People forget that he’s the most powerful telepath meaning he transferred his consciousness into another patient overseen by Moira and (forgetting the dumb twin brother explanation by film makers), he can project his old image into the entire worlds brain or whoever gazes upon him (including audience), to appear to them as Charles always once did to them
@@masterofmetal85 I’ll tell you but it’s spoilers, so don’t read ahead if you don’t wanna know yet or haven’t watched it by now: Laura, ( Wolverines daughter basically), turned the crucifix cross on his grave sideways and it looked like an X when she laid it down, representing X-Men
I actually just saw it for the first time, and I'm both pissed and confused. The movie came out in 2017 (I think), and he died (and professor X. LIke what the hell 😭). So how is he alive in the new dead pool movie that just came out? This so-called timeline had me confused as hell.
Cool point to add is that logams healing power faded/professor x lost control of his mind, because they started putting stuff into the water supply to kill/cure mutants.
Deadpool 2, New Mutants, and Logan had aspects of the Essex Corporation (also with aftercredits scene in X-Men:Apocalypse, where they got the Wolverine DNA for Laura). Looks like they wanted to bring Mister Sinister at some point before Disney bought Fox.
My heart breaks every time i think of Wolverine and the Xmen. To think if it wasn't Task with the sentinels, it would be Essex that would engineer the food causing the mutant gene not to be passed on. If it wasn't the Essex corp. it would of been something else..
I believe Xavier was alive again because he put his consciousness into his twin brother who was mentally incapacitated, which is what led to him having those seizures because his brothers brain was never stable
but logan takes place in the new timeline, in which xavier never died. that could very well be what happened in the og timeline, but it wouldn't be the reason for the seizures.
If x-men franchise split into 2 timelines, does those 2 timelines are in 1 universe or 2 universe? Because logan will be in the new timeline when stryker/raven found her out of the lake and there’s another logan back in 2023 when logan’s conscious return from days of future past that leads to Logan 2029.
Maybe the same thing happened later? "It's like a river - you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself." Since Jean is implied to have survived, and is shown to be alive at the end of Days of Future Past (which is after she dies in Dark Phoenix), I'm guessing that perhaps the same thing happens.
@@habo7004 same universe of 1973 and 2023. His own timeline got erased as we saw,along with sentinels. That erased the trilogy timeline( the 2009 film was a separate timeline from the trilogy also) ,and the 2029 Logan film in 2017 is a separate timeline, not continuation of the 2014 changed future timeline
An amazing franchise with perfect cast! Wish we could have an infinite amount of Xmen movies with the same characters, so iconic. Can’t wait for Deadpool 3 and to see what Wolverine is like on the big screen with Deadpool !
The branched off timeline part really sums things up for me. It must be tough for Logan to have the knowledge of creating a whole new timeline of events
I still don’t get how we go from all these new events that happened in the past that never seemed to happen before. Also what the explanation of mystique becoming good instead of evil?
rogue's bf didnt die, just ended up in a coma for three weeks according to her and xavier's consciousness transferred into his brother's comatose body as shown in the post credit scene in the last stand with moira.
Wow I literally just completed binge watching the entire franchise and this randomly was in my recommended 😅. Needless to say, I pieced together the timeline myself by googling everything in the middle of each movie to understand certain things lmfaooooo
It's interesting how many people are radically confused by a saga that isn't very confusing. But they have the ability to understand multiverses, stories with different years of development or stories of the same events but with different characters... Thank you for this video. Hard fans of these films know that this video presents in a good way a chronology that many of us already knew.
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different. In Origins Wolverine Xavier was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films. in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore. Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
@@Immortal_Liberty honestly i felt the original comment was bullshit and just a flex that he knew since he is such a big xman faan uga buga. Thank you for giving him a reality check.
Thanks Looper. This timeline video helps alot as a person who watched almost all of these movies. It helps with understanding the actual new versus old timeline. As it was very confusing into knowing exactly, where, why, who, how and what happened through these franchise.
Before this video I was struggling to place Wade Wilson into the timeline... Between X Men Origins and Deadpool. Now the explanation about the time travel from Deadpool 2 puts everything in perspective
Out of most of the X-men movies I have seen, I do believe that First Class was pretty close to the comics. The rest were....just chopped and sewn together with no real regard to any sense of "timeline".
First Class was not close to the comics at all. It was probably one of the least closest of the X-movies. None of the members of the first class of X-Men in the movie were members of the original X-Men in the comics. The main villain, Sebastian Shaw, was not until almost two decades after the X-Men comic debuted. I am not saying it wasn't a good movie though!
Honestly at this point, just watch these movies as stand alone. If u r gonna watch it timeline wise, it wont make any sense and wouldn't probably reduce ur hype Watch the trilogy, the prequels, and the spin offs as a separate franchise it makes more sense in that way imo
Oh for sure Marvel/MCU is going to destroy the X Men saga they had with 20th Century. I’m glad X Men had their own thing going on at the same time of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, etc. X Men stood out and their plots aren’t cheap and full of dumb jokes.
@@freelikeyve i just love that the first x men movie came out before spider-man 1(same raimi trilogy) and had their own thing Cz the next superhero movies were knock offs trying to copy spider-man
@@professr9343 yes and no, sure the timeline is wonky, by the way, dark Phoenix is not canon to any of the movies so no need to worry there, but overall, it was more of a hit or miss franchise some of it was good. Some of it was bad some of it was mid. But overall pretty decent
The X-Men movies was my introduction to Marvel universe which then led to loving most of the Avengers franchise movies. I'm glad when the MCU was being developed someone had the soundness of mind to keep the timeline fairly consistent within those movies. Unfortunately, the same can not be said for X-men which is very frustrating. Just finished watching Dark Phoenix again and remembered why I disliked it so much when I first saw it in theaters. I read somewhere Hugh Jackman is resurrecting Wolverine for Deadpool 3. Wolverine is my favorite X-men character so I'm happy but also frustrated b/c the timeline will probably be more confusing. Ugh.
I prefer the altered timeline where the mutants live a happy life together as a family right before Logan takes that away with a new timeline that is a sequel to the original timeline :)
Yeah I treat it as an epilogue to the XMen movies. Regardless of whether it's canon, to me, the story ended with the end of Days of Future Past. That's the ending I choose. I still love Logan and think it's a realistic take on the ending of DOFP. Idk it's all fun and games at the end of the day. It's over now so you can choose the sad ending in Logan or the happy ending of DOFP, and just say Logan is another timeline. We'll probably never get clarity on it so I'm not gonna worry about it lmao. Also, it's a movie!
I love these movies. It took watching this to fully understand the separation of the timelines, but I get it now. Also, 17:40 I’d like to point out that this clone of Logan (X-24) does NOT heal as well as Logan did at his peak. In X-men Origins Wolverine, Logan is shot TWICE the head with Adamantium bullets and still heals perfectly, having only lost his memories. X-24 on the other hand needs that serum just to heal from getting impaled and shot in the face three times with a shotgun. Then he dies when Laura shoots him in the head with only ONE Adamantium bullet. Comparing their healing powers on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being a normal human and 10 being Logan at his peak) I give X-24 around a 6, maybe a little weaker that Sabertooth. I give Sabertooth around a 7 or an 8. Deadpool gets like a 15 or higher on that scale.
"one with a stronger healing factor than the AGING Logan." Looper was simply saying X-24 heals faster than current Logan, not that his healing was better than Logans ever was.
yeah they should’ve had an end credit scene with him where he meets laura and finds his brothers grave and sheds some tears but the original end was pretty much perfect
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different. In Origins Wolverine,Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films. in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore. Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
You should send all this work to the studio or even write an article and submit it for publication on how they effed up the X-Men Timeline. Your math is very convincing. It makes all the answers I gave a previous commenter's questions moot.
One thing you also missed was either in X2 or X3, when Charles and Magneto went to find Jean. Charles was not yet in a wheelchair, he is clearly standing and walking. In First Class, Charles becomes paralyzed at 30 something, not 50 something. He also still has his hair in First Class, but not in the movie where he and Magneto go and get Jean (X2 or X3). In the 1st Class series he doesn't lose his hair till Apocalypse when Jean is already a young woman.
even if you try to take everything into account, there are so many inconsistencies, it's crazy x) - why in "Apocalypse", Logan is locked up at Stryker's, when it's Mystique who gets him at the end of "Days of Future Past" (being a good person in the new timeline, logically she should have taken him to the X-Men) ? - why are Jean Grey and Cyclops alive when Logan wakes up in 2023 ? his actions prevented the Sentinels from being created, but I don't see how that has any bearing on the appearance of the Phoenix - if Logan prevented the creation of the Sentinels and saved "our future", that means that the "new timeline" (the one in the reboot, with the younger actors) is linked to the classic timeline (and that it's not a parallel universe)... in this case, why is Jean Gray there in 2023 when Logan wakes up when she dies in the 70s/80s in "Dark Phoenix" ? - how preventing the creation of the Sentinels causes events such as "Apocalypse" or the arrival of the Pheonix Force to happen in the new timeline and not in the original one ? - what happened to Logan between the 70s and 2023 ? who "inhabited" his body ? what happened to the "previous" Logan's consciousness ? I could go on like this all night lol ! time travel is always a mess, but the ending is still beautiful and concludes the X-Men saga quite well
I'm honestly really confused as well but I can maybe explain what "happened" to Logan during the time travel because this always bugs me as well. At the end of Days of the future past I believe, Logan wakes up in the mansion and everyone greets him, acts like everything is normal. When he went to Charles, he was just greeting him normally as well but as soon as Logan is confused Charles' expression changes and he says "welcome back" (or the likes). Of course only Logan can know what happened because everything else got erased, so I assume Charles read his mind or something. But that would mean that Logan was living a normal life as a teacher, since the future (or past?) didn't happen. I guess he "overrides" his other consciousness there or something. Time travel is just a disaster anyway.
Biggest plot hole is how Jean and Cyclops returns. The big space between Days of Future Past and Logan definitely needs to be filled. I'm guessing that's gonna be explained in the new Deadpool and x-men films, but still
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different. In Origins Wolverine,Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films. in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore. Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
The other thing about The Wolverine was how Yukio had a vision of Logan dying, holding his heart in his hand. And in Logan, he dies while grasping Laura's hand.
I think Marvel recently explained that the Logan storyline is a different universe and separate from the new timeline where everything was good and happy in 2023.
I know that Charles transferred his mind into another body. But where did y’all get the theory that it was his twin brother’s body? I don’t remember Charles saying he has a twin and I literally just completed watching the franchise
If Logan met Peter Parker, perhaps we have an old man Logan just before his final fight. He'd be out there looking for his daughter trying to make sure she is safe.
Old Timeline: X-men First Class Origins: Wolverine X-men X-2 The Last stand Wolverine X-men: Days of Future Past New Timeline: X-men: First Class The New events of Days of Futures Past X-men: Apocalypse X-men: Dark Phoenix X-men [Despite This making no sense because Jean should be dead] X-2 The New Future introduced at the end of Days of Futures Past Deadpool 1 Deadpool 2 Logan The New Mutants
In the new future in the end of DOFP, the Sentinels never rise, so Logan doesn't time travel back, if so, Raven would kill Trask in 1973, the dark future is back, Logan travels back, prevent it, new happy future where Logan never traveled back so Trask dies in 1973, leading to dark future, Paradox, that's the plot hole
@@yudhazacharias9377 yep, I’m just gonna name a few more plot Holes If Jean died in Dark Phoenix [which takes place in the 90s], than how the hell is she alive in That new Future, X-men 1-2, You all heard this one: Dark Phoenix takes place 2 Decades after First Class, meaning that multiple characters should be looking older [Mystique can Shape-shift, So she doesn’t count] Xavier never told The X-men about the Trask events And when does Deadpool 1 and 2 even take place? They could take place In The modern day, But in DeadPool 2 the New, younger version of the X-men get a cameo, And Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse take place in the past, so does Deadpool 1 and 2 take place in the 90s? The early 2000s maybe? No, because there’s a reference to Frozen, which came out in 2013… What is wrong with this timeline…
@@dominothealphaandomega5512 it's even the last X-Men movie to be released, the last one, if we ignore it, everything else fits in. Except the plot hole of DOFP where a Paradox should apply with the time travel there, erasing the dark future is also erasing the man who time traveled back in the first place, meaning the dark future would happen again, Logan traveled back in time, erasing the dark future and the whole reason he traveled back, Paradox bruh
In original timeline... Least a few mutants were alive at the end. Sure they died but they ended up creating a new timeline where they were all wiped out by the one leader they trusted most. So exercise in futility comes to mind. "Time, fate, has a way of correcting itself like a river that had a stone thrown in it."
what i got from the trask assassination is: Trask: *tried to commit genocide on all mutants* Mutant (Mystique): *assassinates Trask* The public: :0 Mutants bad.
I refuse to believe that 2023 Days of Future Past ending and Logan are connected, first of all in just 5 years (2023-2029) Charles aged like 15 years older plus the director revealed that Logan has no connection with past X-Men movies, he just want to focus on the story of Wolverine. "No young mutant born in last 25 years" if it was 2029 then explain why there's a young mutants in Days of the Future Past ending (2023) it's unbelievable that no mutants born after 2004 because the X-Men successfully stopped the threats for their extinction multiple times. And lastly the mid credit scene of Apocalypse Bryan Singer stated that it has connection with setting up the next villain which is Mr. Sinister, it has no connection with Logan.
i didn't get that according to this, xmen apocalypse occured in 1983 (11:38) after that just stated that charles met jean in 1992 (12:39) and then she either died or gone rogue then how could she fight alongside xmen in apocalypse if she met charles in 1992 for first time due to new timeline?
At end of Days of Future Past which is part of new timeline Jean Grey was seen alive, but in dark phoenix which is also set in new timeline but in past, she was shown dead ,then how was she alive at the end of Days of Future Past
"Logan body consciousness is transport back into his body in 2023" Perfect timing year as well. That year is when Avenger Endgame bought everyone back from dusted and Loki mess up whole multiverse, another clue of Disney MCU and Fox Marvel Multiverse will happening maybe 👀
I gotta give this video credit because it actually tells a better story of the X-Men than what Fox did with all of their movies this by far is the superior X-Men's story
My theory for Professor X surviving Jean Grey, is that he maybe transferred his consciousness to a random person and he uses that body from there on. But to avoid confusion with his peers, he controls their mind in envisioning Professor X’s body instead of a random one
The post credits scene in X3 has Professor X as having transferred his consciousness to a body in the facility that was alluded to at the beginning of the movie.
It's funny and sad at the same time that everytime we traerlo into the future of any X-men timeline, they're in a dystopian future, X-Men:DoFP, DP2, and Logan, holy shit Fox really didn't want then to have a happy ending, luckily, DP3 comes to give our fellow mutants a happy ending... I hope
Charles "somehow" looks the same? Have you forgotten about the body double Charles moved his consciousness into at the end of The Last Stand? How could anyone forget that? lol
Actually, Deadpool 2 is the last X-Men movie. In Deadpool 2 , in the beginning Wade has a toy which is designed as the way Logan died in the movie The Logan. This is not a coincidence that Deadpool knew about how Logan died. The way Logan was killed by stabbing him with the branch of the tree, which was laid on the ground, the whole scene was designed on the toy.
10:04 in the previous movie where Xavier died. There is a post credit scene where he transfers his consciousness to a brain dead person and probably in front of moira mactaggert who is caretaking the sick man. And also he mentioned this previously in the movie also.
You left out that the reason Professor X has a body after Jean Grey destroyed his is because he transferred his consciousness to his twin brother who's body was alive but mind wasn't (Comic). You also left out the series "Gifted" which are about mutants AFTER Professor X's seizure as stated in the series. It never mentions his name, just the event itself. Supposedly taking place about 7 years after the event, which means 6 years after Logan, parallel to "New Mutants"
No. The Cure did work on Magneto; the end credits Scene of "Last Stand" only implied that the cure was not permanent; apparently "The Cure" only lasted for over a year. Charles Xavior transferred his continence into the mind of brain cancer patient in Last stand which would explain why he shows up at the end of "Wolverine" and he also mentions his theory on mind transference earlier in "Last Stand" he would only, be a slight different in appearance to the characters in the film, but he is only recognizable to us, because that is the face of the actor that we are too familiar with, because of the X-Men Trilogy films.
So what *exactly* happened to Wolverine's timeline, after Wade killed his past self from the "X-Men Origins" movie? And how exactly did he manage to meet that past self, if that's not even part of his past? He wasn't created by Stryker in that facility and never had been part of anything related to that place. It just doesn't make sense... Two points I can't wrap my head around!
Deadpool is it's own thing honestly. It's a parody, he breaks the 4th wall so don't take anything that happens in those two movies seriously. Hell, he deletes his own second movie from the timeline by saving his girl, if we have to think about it.
the new timeline after days of future past probably affected their date of birth, for example. jean was originally born on 1984 on the orignal timeline, and then after the events of days of future past where they changed the timeline, jean was born somewhere after 1973 😄😄
Thanks to this video I JUST NOW realised how The Dark Phoenix fits into the canon. 😳 It had never occurred to me that it was due to The Days of the Future Past! 🤦🏻 Thank you, Looper. Also, even though I'm not a fan of the US dialects, I LOVE listening to this narrator. ❤
This iteration of the X-Men won't come back. There Will be a new one, a new iteration, and they Will crosspaths with the Avengers, likely the Young Avengers
Still lost in some places but it works I think we might get new versions of the X men like someone makes more Xavier schools across the world and they fight apocolips or something else or we could go into the multiverse and they need to fight off the dark Xavier whatever happens the X-men will always have movies to make.
5:16 To clairfy, if you are mutant, you first lose your mutant abilities when Rogue touches you. This is why Magneto needed her. She can't kill mutants that easily.
His legs would work if he shuts down his power, as seen ini DOFP. Charles can fight, but not that good. Magneto definitely can fight without his powers, he's a badass
Charles was a rich boy he wasn’t the type to get his hands dirty he rather work things out but magneto came from nothing so he dgaf …two different people 😂😂😂
Yeah, that's one thing, another thing is that the new future in the end of DOFP, the Sentinels never rise, so Logan doesn't time travel back, if so, Raven would kill Trask in 1973, the dark future is back, Logan travels back, prevent it, new happy future where Logan never traveled back so Trask dies in 1973, leading to dark future, Paradox, that's the plot hole
What are your favorite X-Men movies?
I wait for somebody to explain the time nine of the X-Men but you forgot the TV show the gifted that takes place in the X-Men universe?
DAYS OF FUTURE PAST
@@casemiro3663 wait are you saying the TV show take place in that timeline of the X-Men universe?
@@Anthonyfeliciano1986 I'm replying to the question, didnt see Ur comment
@@casemiro3663 I did that’s why I asked the question
Honestly, it's amazing how inconsistent this timeline was before it all ended
It's definitely inconsistent, but I honestly think it's cool that they managed to reboot the franchise while still making it canon to the original series.
@@Flareboxx honestly it makes you think the Star Wars films more consistent than these ones
how is that amazing?
It still is
How was Jean an adult in 1983 Apocalypse events but an 8 year old in 1992? I got confused from 11:30 to 12:45
props on Looper’s effort on explaining this very confusing story-timeline
nothing confusing about it, literally nothing.
@@Immortal_Liberty no offense but I found it weird for a person to not confuse about X-Men, even Deadpool mentioned that he his confused
There are inconsistencies, like characters showing up where they shouldn't... but the timeline itself is not that confusing when you undestand Days of Future Past erased the original trilogy and the first two Wolverine movies.
@@thiagodszsnts it started a new timeline. The others still happened.
@@Mr.wickanderson the original trilogy was erased from the timeline the movies' storyline is following. It doesn't matter if they still exist in another timeline because we're not following said timeline in the movies (and that information is provided outside the story).
It just breaks my heart knowing that Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian Mckellen are getting older. They were perfect for the roles of Professor X and Magneto. It's just a pity that we didn't have the technology and the funds and opportunities that exist today and also the investments in Comicbook movies to be able to do more with these amazing actors and human beings.
@@DatBoiChris420 They were honestly really good actors and perfect for the role imo i don't think others could do a better job ( except the cast in x men first class )
It hurts even more that neither of them and Hugh never got any accolades for their performances. It’s really sad. Especially after Logan. Such a great movie.
Deepfake?
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different.
In Origins Wolverine Xavier was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films.
in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore.
Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
get a grip. plenty great actors who can do the same level of acting nowadays.
One thing that a lot of people didn't catch is that as inconsistent at the timeline is the one consistent thing about it is that sometime in the 2020s the majority of mutants are hunted and killed.
And it all comes back to a quote made in days of Future past (the first time we see the mutants future)
"It's like a river - you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction."
This franchise is a whole lot better than I thought.
@@ecclesiasticman4417 what happens to quicksilver pls tell me
@@reverseflash9870 he dies.
@@reverseflash9870 as of the last movie in the main foX-Men timeline he's alive and knows magneto is his father but hasn't told him. But his leg and arm are broken.
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different.
In Origins Wolverine, Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films.
in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore.
Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
For anyone wondering how Charles Xavier was seemingly ressurected -
In the X-Men: The Last Stand's credit scene, Xavier is greeted by a nurse - Moira McTaggart - who asks him how he's doing. She was briefly mentioned previously in the movie at the school by Xavier himself, when he talks about putting someones conscious into a body with no conscious. So they somehow transferred his 'brain' into a replicate body of him.
I know and find it weird how most people seemed to totally missed that but honestly in my opinion they should have explained it a little better in x men 3 or the end of wolverine
Or even Days of futures past. But hey its the x men right
Yesss!!! I was comment that
yeah but if he is in a new body, why is he still handicapped?
@@hpsb004 funny hus cousins coma toast body was also paralyzed from the waist down 😂
People forget that he’s the most powerful telepath meaning he transferred his consciousness into another patient overseen by Moira and (forgetting the dumb twin brother explanation by film makers), he can project his old image into the entire worlds brain or whoever gazes upon him (including audience), to appear to them as Charles always once did to them
The scene at the end of Logan floored me. Such a powerful symbolic switch. Whoever thought of that should be proud of themselves.
I f*cking cried. So legendary
I remember watching it in theatre and was just about to cry but a baddie was sitting right beside me so had to hold it in.
Never saw the film, what was the switch
@@masterofmetal85 I’ll tell you but it’s spoilers, so don’t read ahead if you don’t wanna know yet or haven’t watched it by now: Laura, ( Wolverines daughter basically), turned the crucifix cross on his grave sideways and it looked like an X when she laid it down, representing X-Men
I actually just saw it for the first time, and I'm both pissed and confused. The movie came out in 2017 (I think), and he died (and professor X. LIke what the hell 😭). So how is he alive in the new dead pool movie that just came out? This so-called timeline had me confused as hell.
I hate how these heroes are turned into a huge and confusing moshpit of movies. It makes it so hard to piece everything together. Thanks Looper!
Cool point to add is that logams healing power faded/professor x lost control of his mind, because they started putting stuff into the water supply to kill/cure mutants.
I recently watched the X-men franchise, this clears up the confusion I had with the timeline.
Wrong
Logan is on a different timeline than the rest of the xmen franchise
Love this video. This perfectly summed up all the X-Men movies and timelines in a great way 😁
Wrong
Deadpool using Logan’s skeleton as a weapon while dancing byebye by the NSYNC boys was the best thing that happened to this timeline
Deadpool 2, New Mutants, and Logan had aspects of the Essex Corporation (also with aftercredits scene in X-Men:Apocalypse, where they got the Wolverine DNA for Laura). Looks like they wanted to bring Mister Sinister at some point before Disney bought Fox.
They did
@@yudhazacharias9377 how did they?
@@patnostangwube3159 I meant they did plan on bringing Mister Sinister, they just planned it, but it never made it
Deadpool 3 might be that final piece of that story, specially if they have Mister Sinister as the main villain.
My heart breaks every time i think of Wolverine and the Xmen. To think if it wasn't Task with the sentinels, it would be Essex that would engineer the food causing the mutant gene not to be passed on. If it wasn't the Essex corp. it would of been something else..
Who’s here in 2024 when Deadpool literly used wolverines skeleton as a weapon
We humans are alike
It was class that that seance worked so well
Me
Best turn of event
I believe Xavier was alive again because he put his consciousness into his twin brother who was mentally incapacitated, which is what led to him having those seizures because his brothers brain was never stable
but logan takes place in the new timeline, in which xavier never died. that could very well be what happened in the og timeline, but it wouldn't be the reason for the seizures.
If x-men franchise split into 2 timelines, does those 2 timelines are in 1 universe or 2 universe? Because logan will be in the new timeline when stryker/raven found her out of the lake and there’s another logan back in 2023 when logan’s conscious return from days of future past that leads to Logan 2029.
Maybe the same thing happened later?
"It's like a river - you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself."
Since Jean is implied to have survived, and is shown to be alive at the end of Days of Future Past (which is after she dies in Dark Phoenix), I'm guessing that perhaps the same thing happens.
Fully different timeline,Logan and X3 and Days of Future past are 3 different universes. This was confirmed by directors and writers
@@habo7004 same universe of 1973 and 2023. His own timeline got erased as we saw,along with sentinels. That erased the trilogy timeline( the 2009 film was a separate timeline from the trilogy also) ,and the 2029 Logan film in 2017 is a separate timeline, not continuation of the 2014 changed future timeline
An amazing franchise with perfect cast! Wish we could have an infinite amount of Xmen movies with the same characters, so iconic. Can’t wait for Deadpool 3 and to see what Wolverine is like on the big screen with Deadpool !
The branched off timeline part really sums things up for me. It must be tough for Logan to have the knowledge of creating a whole new timeline of events
I still don’t get how we go from all these new events that happened in the past that never seemed to happen before. Also what the explanation of mystique becoming good instead of evil?
rogue's bf didnt die, just ended up in a coma for three weeks according to her and xavier's consciousness transferred into his brother's comatose body as shown in the post credit scene in the last stand with moira.
I was f*cking confused by that post credit scene too. Thanks for this comment
Wow I literally just completed binge watching the entire franchise and this randomly was in my recommended 😅. Needless to say, I pieced together the timeline myself by googling everything in the middle of each movie to understand certain things lmfaooooo
Wow that's dedication
It's interesting how many people are radically confused by a saga that isn't very confusing. But they have the ability to understand multiverses, stories with different years of development or stories of the same events but with different characters... Thank you for this video. Hard fans of these films know that this video presents in a good way a chronology that many of us already knew.
True the Fox X-Men timeline isnt as confusing as people make it out to be. Just has some errors
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they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different.
In Origins Wolverine Xavier was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films.
in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore.
Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
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@@Immortal_Liberty honestly i felt the original comment was bullshit and just a flex that he knew since he is such a big xman faan uga buga. Thank you for giving him a reality check.
Thanks Looper. This timeline video helps alot as a person who watched almost all of these movies. It helps with understanding the actual new versus old timeline. As it was very confusing into knowing exactly, where, why, who, how and what happened through these franchise.
Before this video I was struggling to place Wade Wilson into the timeline... Between X Men Origins and Deadpool. Now the explanation about the time travel from Deadpool 2 puts everything in perspective
did you not see deadpool 2? of course you are struggling with the timelines if you didn't watch all the movies bro
Out of most of the X-men movies I have seen, I do believe that First Class was pretty close to the comics. The rest were....just chopped and sewn together with no real regard to any sense of "timeline".
First Class was not close to the comics at all. It was probably one of the least closest of the X-movies. None of the members of the first class of X-Men in the movie were members of the original X-Men in the comics. The main villain, Sebastian Shaw, was not until almost two decades after the X-Men comic debuted. I am not saying it wasn't a good movie though!
Honestly at this point, just watch these movies as stand alone. If u r gonna watch it timeline wise, it wont make any sense and wouldn't probably reduce ur hype
Watch the trilogy, the prequels, and the spin offs as a separate franchise it makes more sense in that way imo
My head is spinning trying to remember all of these names and events while still watching the video. This was a good video though!
20th Century Fox did such an awesome job with the X-Men, that it's a little hard to believe the MCU will do even a good job.
Good sarcasm
Oh for sure Marvel/MCU is going to destroy the X Men saga they had with 20th Century. I’m glad X Men had their own thing going on at the same time of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, etc. X Men stood out and their plots aren’t cheap and full of dumb jokes.
@@freelikeyve i just love that the first x men movie came out before spider-man 1(same raimi trilogy) and had their own thing
Cz the next superhero movies were knock offs trying to copy spider-man
@@professr9343 yes and no, sure the timeline is wonky, by the way, dark Phoenix is not canon to any of the movies so no need to worry there, but overall, it was more of a hit or miss franchise some of it was good. Some of it was bad some of it was mid. But overall pretty decent
So he’s just not gonna bring up the fact that Charles Xavier had a brain dead brother in a hospital that had his consciousness in him all along
Great job explaining the timeline
Thank you for doing this. I'm not nearly as confused now.
Brilliantly explained. Thank you!
The X-Men movies was my introduction to Marvel universe which then led to loving most of the Avengers franchise movies. I'm glad when the MCU was being developed someone had the soundness of mind to keep the timeline fairly consistent within those movies. Unfortunately, the same can not be said for X-men which is very frustrating. Just finished watching Dark Phoenix again and remembered why I disliked it so much when I first saw it in theaters. I read somewhere Hugh Jackman is resurrecting Wolverine for Deadpool 3. Wolverine is my favorite X-men character so I'm happy but also frustrated b/c the timeline will probably be more confusing. Ugh.
Wolverine is now confirmed in the new Deadpool movie
THhanks i was very confused and this cleared alot of things up for me
Magneto and Xavier are like two side of the same coin
Damn - that was a lot of work by the Looper team. Great work!
All over the show, of course, but that's the X-Men for you!
I prefer the altered timeline where the mutants live a happy life together as a family right before Logan takes that away with a new timeline that is a sequel to the original timeline :)
Yeah I treat it as an epilogue to the XMen movies. Regardless of whether it's canon, to me, the story ended with the end of Days of Future Past. That's the ending I choose. I still love Logan and think it's a realistic take on the ending of DOFP. Idk it's all fun and games at the end of the day. It's over now so you can choose the sad ending in Logan or the happy ending of DOFP, and just say Logan is another timeline. We'll probably never get clarity on it so I'm not gonna worry about it lmao. Also, it's a movie!
Great mutated review ...I loved it😍😎
I love these movies. It took watching this to fully understand the separation of the timelines, but I get it now.
Also, 17:40 I’d like to point out that this clone of Logan (X-24) does NOT heal as well as Logan did at his peak. In X-men Origins Wolverine, Logan is shot TWICE the head with Adamantium bullets and still heals perfectly, having only lost his memories. X-24 on the other hand needs that serum just to heal from getting impaled and shot in the face three times with a shotgun. Then he dies when Laura shoots him in the head with only ONE Adamantium bullet. Comparing their healing powers on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being a normal human and 10 being Logan at his peak) I give X-24 around a 6, maybe a little weaker that Sabertooth. I give Sabertooth around a 7 or an 8. Deadpool gets like a 15 or higher on that scale.
"one with a stronger healing factor than the AGING Logan." Looper was simply saying X-24 heals faster than current Logan, not that his healing was better than Logans ever was.
Hollywood really messed up the whole x-men thing
This was a nice rundown. I wonder how Fox's "The Gifted" series would fit into this timeline...
I'm still bummed they didn't bring back Sabretooth for Logan to close out their chapter together
yeah they should’ve had an end credit scene with him where he meets laura and finds his brothers grave and sheds some tears but the original end was pretty much perfect
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different.
In Origins Wolverine,Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films.
in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore.
Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
Thanks for putting in the effort on pointing this all out 😮
You should send all this work to the studio or even write an article and submit it for publication on how they effed up the X-Men Timeline. Your math is very convincing. It makes all the answers I gave a previous commenter's questions moot.
One thing you also missed was either in X2 or X3, when Charles and Magneto went to find Jean. Charles was not yet in a wheelchair, he is clearly standing and walking. In First Class, Charles becomes paralyzed at 30 something, not 50 something. He also still has his hair in First Class, but not in the movie where he and Magneto go and get Jean (X2 or X3). In the 1st Class series he doesn't lose his hair till Apocalypse when Jean is already a young woman.
Not even to mention how jubilee was a teenager in both x men 1 and apocalypse, I've seen no one give an explanation for this
even if you try to take everything into account, there are so many inconsistencies, it's crazy x)
- why in "Apocalypse", Logan is locked up at Stryker's, when it's Mystique who gets him at the end of "Days of Future Past" (being a good person in the new timeline, logically she should have taken him to the X-Men) ?
- why are Jean Grey and Cyclops alive when Logan wakes up in 2023 ? his actions prevented the Sentinels from being created, but I don't see how that has any bearing on the appearance of the Phoenix
- if Logan prevented the creation of the Sentinels and saved "our future", that means that the "new timeline" (the one in the reboot, with the younger actors) is linked to the classic timeline (and that it's not a parallel universe)... in this case, why is Jean Gray there in 2023 when Logan wakes up when she dies in the 70s/80s in "Dark Phoenix" ?
- how preventing the creation of the Sentinels causes events such as "Apocalypse" or the arrival of the Pheonix Force to happen in the new timeline and not in the original one ?
- what happened to Logan between the 70s and 2023 ? who "inhabited" his body ? what happened to the "previous" Logan's consciousness ?
I could go on like this all night lol ! time travel is always a mess, but the ending is still beautiful and concludes the X-Men saga quite well
I'm honestly really confused as well but I can maybe explain what "happened" to Logan during the time travel because this always bugs me as well. At the end of Days of the future past I believe, Logan wakes up in the mansion and everyone greets him, acts like everything is normal. When he went to Charles, he was just greeting him normally as well but as soon as Logan is confused Charles' expression changes and he says "welcome back" (or the likes). Of course only Logan can know what happened because everything else got erased, so I assume Charles read his mind or something. But that would mean that Logan was living a normal life as a teacher, since the future (or past?) didn't happen. I guess he "overrides" his other consciousness there or something. Time travel is just a disaster anyway.
this video is going to help a lot of Deadpool 3 watchers
Biggest plot hole is how Jean and Cyclops returns. The big space between Days of Future Past and Logan definitely needs to be filled. I'm guessing that's gonna be explained in the new Deadpool and x-men films, but still
So for know is days of future past right before Logan?? Or should I watch this
How?
I probably wanna say it has something to do with The Blip?
It goes back to the original X men movie but goes down a different path that leads to logan
they rebooted it with FIRST CLASS, this was confirmed by director and producer Matthew Vaughn, they changed major things, like Xavier and Magneto not being the ones who built Cerebro and invented it, Mctaggert being 40 years older and a CIA agent, not a scottish doctor like in X3, also Xavier said in 1st film that they met when they were 17, but in FIRST CLASS he met Magneto,aged 32( 1962) when Charles was 30( this is confirmed in end credits and on imdb, and 12 years old in 1944, born in 1932, and Magneto born in 1930), in 1962. Fully different.
In Origins Wolverine,Logan was NOT in New York on a waterbed ,as he was in January 1973 in Days of Future Past. In fact, in 1972-1973 he was fully in Weapon X program with Stryker and Sabretooth, Deadpool etc. Days of Future past FULLY destroyed the timeline, these were DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. VERY DIFFERENT HISTORIES AND AGES OF MAJOR CHARACTERS, invention of Cerebro and much else. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix continued FIRST CLASS events, literally NOT the same history at all as we saw in 2000-2009/2013 films.
in Origins Wolverine film, 1979, we see Cyclops aged 17-18, which was a major mistake,given he was 25-26 when filming the first film, which was confirmed to occur in 2002, by the studio(same as 2nd film, 6 months later, and 3rd film in 2006), yet he would have been 40-41 in 2002, not 25-26. Jean Grey was shown to be 10-12 in 1986, in X3, so is 26-28 is in 2002(played by a much too old 35-year old actress in 1st film, and 38 in 2nd one). But in the new films, Jean was shown in 1983( confirmed year) aged 17, so by 1986 would be 20, NOT 10( as we saw in X3 intro), and in 1992 looked same( horrible to pretend Xavier/Magneto did not age in 30 years from 1st to 4th film), she was 26 supposedly, yet still called a kid alongside Cyclops. in 2009 film, he was 17 in 1979, so 21 in 1983( yet they said he was 17 in 1983), so Jean would be 14 years younger than Scott based on the 2009 film. NONSENSE galore.
Scott born in 1962, so 17 in 1979, so 40 in 2002. Jean born 1976, 3 in 1979, 10 in 1986, 26 in 2002. NONSENSE. and in the new films she is 17 in 1983, born in 1966, so 36 in 2002. Xavier was 30 in 1962, 32 for Magneto. 40-41 in 1973, 51 in 1983 and 60 in 1992. LUDICRUOUS, given we saw Xavier,aged 59, in 2002( born 1943, based on movie) and Magneto aged 60. Thus in 1986 we saw them in X3 ,aged, 43 and 44, HILARIOUS! And in 1979,as we saw old Xavier, he was 36! HILARIOUS!
The other thing about The Wolverine was how Yukio had a vision of Logan dying, holding his heart in his hand. And in Logan, he dies while grasping Laura's hand.
This is a perfect! This is exactly what I need without confusion :)
Excellent video 👍👍👍
This will be more understandable if there's a literal timeline shown in the video.
Anyway, great video.
i’ve been really wanting to get into the x-men and marvel and dc etc for a while now so thank you for helping me start!
For better or for worse
I'll always prefer the X-MEN over the MCU
Same
Great. Now do Deadpool and Wolverine.
You did it angain another great review of a great movie Franchise
I think Marvel recently explained that the Logan storyline is a different universe and separate from the new timeline where everything was good and happy in 2023.
Fast forward to Deadpool playing with dead Logan
finally someone who does it right, good job
Am I the only one who remembers that Charles was a twin, and he transferred his consciousness into his body upon his death?
I most definitely remember that
I know that Charles transferred his mind into another body. But where did y’all get the theory that it was his twin brother’s body? I don’t remember Charles saying he has a twin and I literally just completed watching the franchise
@@SeriouslyChelsey it's not a theory, it was confirmed
@@scarlettgrey1529 confirmed when and where in which movie? That was the point of my comment.
@@SeriouslyChelsey 1 year later and he still aint repsond
The ending to Logan was such a bitter-sweet ending and i loved it. I'm glad i had the honour of seeing it in theatres as a child.
Nice, nice, but this timeline is missing the Legion series. That too is part of the X-Men Timeline.
And its also forget the show The Gifted that was on Fox for 2 seasons.
I think you Looper guys need to learn the difference between “explain” and Recap.
This place is a shill RUclips channel for painfully unaware normies
If Logan met Peter Parker, perhaps we have an old man Logan just before his final fight. He'd be out there looking for his daughter trying to make sure she is safe.
Old Timeline:
X-men First Class
Origins: Wolverine
X-men
X-2
The Last stand
Wolverine
X-men: Days of Future Past
New Timeline:
X-men: First Class
The New events of Days of Futures Past
X-men: Apocalypse
X-men: Dark Phoenix
X-men [Despite This making no sense because Jean should be dead]
X-2
The New Future introduced at the end of Days of Futures Past
Deadpool 1
Deadpool 2
Logan
The New Mutants
Here's a bright idea, ignore Dark Phoenix, everything would fit in
In the new future in the end of DOFP, the Sentinels never rise, so Logan doesn't time travel back, if so, Raven would kill Trask in 1973, the dark future is back, Logan travels back, prevent it, new happy future where Logan never traveled back so Trask dies in 1973, leading to dark future, Paradox, that's the plot hole
@@yudhazacharias9377 yep, I’m just gonna name a few more plot Holes
If Jean died in Dark Phoenix [which takes place in the 90s], than how the hell is she alive in That new Future, X-men 1-2,
You all heard this one: Dark Phoenix takes place 2 Decades after First Class, meaning that multiple characters should be looking older [Mystique can Shape-shift, So she doesn’t count]
Xavier never told The X-men about the Trask events
And when does Deadpool 1 and 2 even take place? They could take place In The modern day, But in DeadPool 2 the New, younger version of the X-men get a cameo, And Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse take place in the past, so does Deadpool 1 and 2 take place in the 90s? The early 2000s maybe? No, because there’s a reference to Frozen, which came out in 2013… What is wrong with this timeline…
@@yudhazacharias9377 Yeah forget what I said about the Dark Phoenix plot hole, It’s no longer canon
@@dominothealphaandomega5512 it's even the last X-Men movie to be released, the last one, if we ignore it, everything else fits in. Except the plot hole of DOFP where a Paradox should apply with the time travel there, erasing the dark future is also erasing the man who time traveled back in the first place, meaning the dark future would happen again, Logan traveled back in time, erasing the dark future and the whole reason he traveled back, Paradox bruh
In original timeline... Least a few mutants were alive at the end. Sure they died but they ended up creating a new timeline where they were all wiped out by the one leader they trusted most. So exercise in futility comes to mind.
"Time, fate, has a way of correcting itself like a river that had a stone thrown in it."
Outstanding 🔥
what i got from the trask assassination is:
Trask: *tried to commit genocide on all mutants*
Mutant (Mystique): *assassinates Trask*
The public: :0 Mutants bad.
I feel like starting all over again after watching this 😊
I refuse to believe that 2023 Days of Future Past ending and Logan are connected, first of all in just 5 years (2023-2029) Charles aged like 15 years older plus the director revealed that Logan has no connection with past X-Men movies, he just want to focus on the story of Wolverine. "No young mutant born in last 25 years" if it was 2029 then explain why there's a young mutants in Days of the Future Past ending (2023) it's unbelievable that no mutants born after 2004 because the X-Men successfully stopped the threats for their extinction multiple times. And lastly the mid credit scene of Apocalypse Bryan Singer stated that it has connection with setting up the next villain which is Mr. Sinister, it has no connection with Logan.
i didn't get that according to this, xmen apocalypse occured in 1983 (11:38) after that just stated that charles met jean in 1992 (12:39) and then she either died or gone rogue then how could she fight alongside xmen in apocalypse if she met charles in 1992 for first time due to new timeline?
They just messed up with their script at that point. Charles actually met her when she was 8, before apocalypse in 1983
It was a flashback
At end of Days of Future Past which is part of new timeline Jean Grey was seen alive, but in dark phoenix which is also set in new timeline but in past, she was shown dead ,then how was she alive at the end of Days of Future Past
Thank you so much for making this video!!!!!😍😍😍
"Logan body consciousness is transport back into his body in 2023"
Perfect timing year as well. That year is when Avenger Endgame bought everyone back from dusted and Loki mess up whole multiverse, another clue of Disney MCU and Fox Marvel Multiverse will happening maybe 👀
Good work by the way
I gotta give this video credit because it actually tells a better story of the X-Men than what Fox did with all of their movies this by far is the superior X-Men's story
I'm gonna watch all of these in timeline order
My theory for Professor X surviving Jean Grey, is that he maybe transferred his consciousness to a random person and he uses that body from there on. But to avoid confusion with his peers, he controls their mind in envisioning Professor X’s body instead of a random one
There’s a post-credit scene in X3 that has this exact thing and introduces Moira
The post credits scene in X3 has Professor X as having transferred his consciousness to a body in the facility that was alluded to at the beginning of the movie.
Thanks brother you explained so well
It's funny and sad at the same time that everytime we traerlo into the future of any X-men timeline, they're in a dystopian future, X-Men:DoFP, DP2, and Logan, holy shit Fox really didn't want then to have a happy ending, luckily, DP3 comes to give our fellow mutants a happy ending... I hope
I really appreciate this!
Charles "somehow" looks the same? Have you forgotten about the body double Charles moved his consciousness into at the end of The Last Stand? How could anyone forget that? lol
Actually, Deadpool 2 is the last X-Men movie. In Deadpool 2 , in the beginning Wade has a toy which is designed as the way Logan died in the movie The Logan. This is not a coincidence that Deadpool knew about how Logan died. The way Logan was killed by stabbing him with the branch of the tree, which was laid on the ground, the whole scene was designed on the toy.
How did Logan get his claws back after the Wolverine
Hes in the X men apocalypse found and escapes strikers lab by jean grey after series of experiments occurred on him
He has healing power which healed his claws
@@albertovalles3597 But what about the adamantium? He can't regenerate that. It's also shown that his claws regrow without the admantium
10:04 in the previous movie where Xavier died. There is a post credit scene where he transfers his consciousness to a brain dead person and probably in front of moira mactaggert who is caretaking the sick man. And also he mentioned this previously in the movie also.
You left out that the reason Professor X has a body after Jean Grey destroyed his is because he transferred his consciousness to his twin brother who's body was alive but mind wasn't (Comic). You also left out the series "Gifted" which are about mutants AFTER Professor X's seizure as stated in the series. It never mentions his name, just the event itself. Supposedly taking place about 7 years after the event, which means 6 years after Logan, parallel to "New Mutants"
You can never explain it, it doesn’t make any sense.
He just did still in denial eh bot
Literally, how did they screw up this bad
No. The Cure did work on Magneto; the end credits Scene of "Last Stand" only implied that the cure was not permanent; apparently "The Cure" only lasted for over a year. Charles Xavior transferred his continence into the mind of brain cancer patient in Last stand which would explain why he shows up at the end of "Wolverine" and he also mentions his theory on mind transference earlier in "Last Stand" he would only, be a slight different in appearance to the characters in the film, but he is only recognizable to us, because that is the face of the actor that we are too familiar with, because of the X-Men Trilogy films.
So what *exactly* happened to Wolverine's timeline, after Wade killed his past self from the "X-Men Origins" movie? And how exactly did he manage to meet that past self, if that's not even part of his past? He wasn't created by Stryker in that facility and never had been part of anything related to that place. It just doesn't make sense... Two points I can't wrap my head around!
Deadpool is it's own thing honestly. It's a parody, he breaks the 4th wall so don't take anything that happens in those two movies seriously. Hell, he deletes his own second movie from the timeline by saving his girl, if we have to think about it.
Hey I got something to make your understanding easier. Just don’t consider deadpool too much. Fourth wall breaks happen all the time in his movies.
This is the best timeline possible
Trask Industries and Stark industries - So innovative!!
Understood enough to go watch the "Deadpool & Wolverine"🗿
How was Jean an adult in 1983 Apocalypse events but an 8 year old in 1992? I got confused from 11:30 to 12:45
I say in the new timeline everyone look younger age good better than people on old timeline.
this is confusing
the new timeline after days of future past probably affected their date of birth, for example. jean was originally born on 1984 on the orignal timeline, and then after the events of days of future past where they changed the timeline, jean was born somewhere after 1973 😄😄
Thanks to this video I JUST NOW realised how The Dark Phoenix fits into the canon. 😳 It had never occurred to me that it was due to The Days of the Future Past! 🤦🏻 Thank you, Looper.
Also, even though I'm not a fan of the US dialects, I LOVE listening to this narrator. ❤
so what just tell us with fact will there be more x men wil come back yes or no and will x men and avengers crosspaths
This iteration of the X-Men won't come back. There Will be a new one, a new iteration, and they Will crosspaths with the Avengers, likely the Young Avengers
me eagerly waiting for this just watched dark phoenix
confused by timeline
Still lost in some places but it works I think we might get new versions of the X men like someone makes more Xavier schools across the world and they fight apocolips or something else or we could go into the multiverse and they need to fight off the dark Xavier whatever happens the X-men will always have movies to make.
That is overkill bro
@@yudhazacharias9377😂😂😂😂
Deapool is the reason for this video. Admit it.. 😊❤
It’s crazy how after all that how they saved the future Charles kills everybody so stupid 🤦🏽♂️
5:16 To clairfy, if you are mutant, you first lose your mutant abilities when Rogue touches you. This is why Magneto needed her. She can't kill mutants that easily.
i wonder how would charles be with his legs working and was he good at fighting yes or no and how can magneto fight without his powers
His legs would work if he shuts down his power, as seen ini DOFP. Charles can fight, but not that good. Magneto definitely can fight without his powers, he's a badass
Charles was a rich boy he wasn’t the type to get his hands dirty he rather work things out but magneto came from nothing so he dgaf …two different people 😂😂😂
One of the greatest movie franchise of all time
The X-Men timeline is very confusing
Yeah, that's one thing, another thing is that the new future in the end of DOFP, the Sentinels never rise, so Logan doesn't time travel back, if so, Raven would kill Trask in 1973, the dark future is back, Logan travels back, prevent it, new happy future where Logan never traveled back so Trask dies in 1973, leading to dark future, Paradox, that's the plot hole
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