I Ranked ALL the Systems in Dragonflight
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- I took some time this week to rank a bunch of the gearing systems in Dragonflight. I gave my thoughts on all of them (that I could remember). This is just meant to be a 4fun vid. Hope you enjoy.
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Great vault is “ok”? I see grown adults acting like it’s Christmas morning every Tuesday
In season 4 vault feels like nothing though, it goes to show how easily it could be replaced by a deterministic loot system.
@@Frothmeister in season 4 yes but generally it’s one of the most well received things in wow tbh
@@Jay-407 right, my point was more about how easily it could be replaced by a better system
Vault is great when you're lucky. It sucks when you're unlucky.
That can go either way tho, let’s be honest…. You could have shit luck for 3 weeks and get nothing of worth and it’s the worst addition to the game, and vice versa when you get lucky and get the pieces you want it’s the best invention since melted cheese😛
And I semi agree with Frothmeister, a deterministic system like Bullion alleviates alot of the frustration from the vault by being able to target certain pieces, they shouldn’t replace the vault but a similar system to Bullion (slight slower aquisition during actual season) can take frustration out of the ‘’bad vault’’ occasions
Bro got me with the thumbnail, i was ready to write up a storm if legendaries went anywhere other than dog tier, i dont think ive ever felt worse about getting a legendary than getting the 2h axe on my dk. Like 13 week farm + terrible grind AND I had to pay 1 million gold for it, like fuck that haha
I didnt even make mine, i got it didnt want to spend the time to farm it and quit
The quest to obtain it was the only decent part of it, just too expensive. A 14 week hc raiding bad luck protection is a joke though since the classes are pretty much tuned around having the legendary. After I finally got in on my ret I was pretty much done playing ret. Also pushes you from starting a twink
It was truly awful, and if they ever decide to distribute a legendary the same way to a class or spec I’m playing, I’m rerolling for the season. No way in hell I’m waiting fifteen weeks for the chance to do hours of mindless grinding quests and shell out 300k for the item my spec is “balanced” around for the season.
It *has* been fun as BDK for S4, but the icing on the crapcake was hunters just getting to buy a 535 version of the S1 bow for two bullion, all the while they had to spend several days hot fixing the axe so it could be upgraded. Truly terrible.
One thing that would fix the Vault for me is if you could get a super token to upgrade a piece to the next tier level, for perhaps 6 tokens of merit. It'd add that deterministic element if I'm being unlucky. Particularly as my main went the entirety of s3 without getting myth track weapon or (worthwhile) trinket despite running 4-8 M+ every week.
Wish bullion was an every season thing even if it didn't start up until month 2 or 3. Feels horrible raiding that long and not having these important items by then or having to start a new toon with little hope of getting these items or being forced to raid in general.
Wish the great vault had a system for bumping items up a tier. Could maybe lock access of this future behind character Ilvl to prevent people for feel like that is the best thing to do and let it be more of something natural you get once you are only hunting for bis and not fairly big upgrades.
I also kind of wish sockets were not part of the vault only because I miss having some type of solo task to improve my character. That was why I freaking loved corruption once the vendor was out because I think having a system that let's you modify your raid and m+ great even more over time from a solo active is cool.
Lastly fuck very rare items and legos from this expansion. Either one of them were fun to engage with or not if you couldn't get lucky. Only part I give a small thumbs up on was being able to upgrade your Lego in season 4. Kind of feel like if you get a Lego it should be bis all expansion but that would also be horrible if you didn't get it while it was current and you had to go farm it out on new characters or if you were unlucky the first time around.
One thing to add on the very rares is that originally they took the place of an otherwise normal item drop, while later it was changed to be an extra drop on top of the normal loot, which was a great improvement. That said as a guild officer I agree I'd just as soon see them go away and not have the headache of dealing with who they should go to.
Vaults would be SS+++ if they had another currency option when you don't want any gear, and I think it should be Bullions. And bullions themselves could become online on regular seasons, like 3 or 4 weeks after mythic release. So we'd have the vendor for people that chose bullions from the vault in the first weeks, but the bullions only become droppable later on.
The vault could also additionally have a "freeze" choice, similar to what we have on the trading post with the cosmetics, but the requirement would be to have to complete at least 3 (or 4, whatever arbitrary number) activity slots the next week in order to acquire the "frozen" item, with the option to "refreeze" it.
the crests acquisition needs to be buffed for alts without a doubt!
I actually wish they would increase per week or after your main was past a certain ilvl .
@@vearheart42 increasing per week incentivises players to not play much in the first weeks because it is more efficient later... but past a certain ilvl, for sure. like how they allow upgrading crests (90 for 15), for alts acquisition should be 5x rate for the ones that your main is done with
Just make it so that if your alt gets a bonus (like 100 or 200%) more crests until it "catches up" with the main. Or close to it. Maybe a non-linear catchup, the closer to your main the lesser the bonus.
@@90VYD yeah whatever way gives alts a benefit but isn't exploitable.
Onyx Annulet in D? I thought that was one of the best borrowed power they've done. Light touch, in a .5 patch with the Zskera vaults attached Apparently thats as bad as getting Fyralath/Nazuro... crazy
it was super cool! I loved the gem combo with the walking wind gem and the one that put out 5 hots on nature gem trigger. Walking heals was the best
I liked it. grinding the stones was even kinda fun.
Same loved it
Bullions are actually TGV in disguise, but just better. I think that a sick idea would be to slightly tweak the bullions system where you can still interact with it weekly, but by saving bullions you would get to consistently pick whatever item is relevant for your class/spec rather than just rolling the dice every week and hoping to get a good item from the vault
You did Onyx annulet dirty by putting him in D. It was added late in the season, which was a great way to nerf raid without actually nerfing raid, even if it wasn't bis for everyone. It was also great for gearing alts, you straight up got one max ilvl ring.
I wish they would keep bullions and integrate it into the vault. Make it so you still need 2 bullions for an item, and if you take the tokens from a bad vault you can choose to get sockets or 1 bullion. That way if you get 2 bad vaults in a row you can go pick an item with bullions
I thought you were pretty harsh tbh. Would love to see a video comparing DF systems to the previous iterations through the years
On top of your points, the Evoker leggo was just not used for a whole season because it couldn't be upgraded. And you have to pay hundreds of thousands of gold to craft either of them. And Fyr'alath is great at getting you killed if you don't plan accordingly. D tier is accurate tbh
IMO the new crafting system, while having issues, was the best bad luck protection system ever put into the game. In SL if you had a month of bad drops and bad vaults you were screwed.
Hell yes finally it's tier list season
Interesting takes. I think legion and shadowlands reset the expectations on legendaries in a harmful way. Those were given the orange color but because everyone got them they weren’t legendaries - the OG legendaries in the first 3 expansions - you knew not everyone could get them and just accepted that. And that made them cool. I agree that the dragon flight system wasn’t great because you knew you would get it which created entitlement but often it was very slow which caused frustration.
Excruciating pain points for me in DF:
1. Flightstones
2. Needing a quest to convert currency that requires crests from LFR (Heroic is bugged?)
3. Being heavily coerced to raid
4. Alts
5. Affixes I can't see, are LoS or spawn 100 yards away
6. Bad Druid tree
They won't make stuff equally strong, they've gotta OP the raid stuff to coerce you into it and attach caveats to PVP gear and then force you to run 10,000 dungeons on your alts. I have a friend who was attempting to get the portals on 5 characters. Blizzard has people literally jumping through hoops and the people who do it aren't proud of it, so it's kept on the down low, Blizzard is the drug dealer.
S great vault, bullions
A valor, crests, profession gear (A+ when it was on the same ilvl as mythic gear)
B onyx ammulet (non-offensive way to get bis in world content is cool)
C embellishments
D legendries
F very rare.
I feel like they should add bullions to the vault vendor for 12 coins. Keep the cost around the same (2 per item) but it gives players with horrible drops and vault luck the chance to get something BIS after 4 weeks.
This might seem like a hot take, but as someone who was in a guild that was going for CE each patch, and thus had high expectations of its players - being forced to interact with the auction house *so* much more, and having to spend *so* much gold on crafted gear, especially early on in a raid patch, was terrible, especially if you didn't go in with your coffers already lined from WoD exploits etc.
My tinfoil hat theory is that Blizz wanted more crafting and consumable buying because it almost forces certain players to fish out money for tokens. And if you're raiding in a guild that values mythic prog, simply waiting for drops and not crafting isn't an option because you're letting your team down by not grabbing available sources of power.
The entire professions overhaul was essentially blizzard's sneaky way of trying to generate more token sales imo.
a 15 should give more aspects than a 6, would help with the alt slog
The annulet system was awesome…the annulet tuning was garbage
No in season 1 profession gear was FULL item level, so an aspect crested piece of Profession gear was just as strong as mythic gear. That is why the meta became, get 4pc, very rare, embellished items, and then spam profession gear. This was too out of wack and expensive so in season 2 and 3 they nerfed it. Least that is what I remember.
Embellishments could of been cool, but they didn't want to keep them strong, so they nerfed them into the ground to the point that now they are most worthless, unless its blue silk lining.
fun fact: if it was never nerfed, Outlaw Rogues would still be wearing the Onyx Annulet in season 4. It would have been replaced towards the end of levelling in TWW.
Crests also allowed Heroic only raiders to get gear much closer to the max ilvl for the patch just slower than Mythic raiders which was a good thing and far better than valor
I miss sporecloak so much 😢
Bullion isn’t S tier on its own. It wouldn’t be as good without the crest upgrade system. Also, Bullion/dinar is only available in a greatest hits season 4 so it shouldn’t be ranked with the other systems.
I think very rare items should never be best for everyone. They're better as targeted class/spec/etc
I disagree on annulet. I can understand the reasons you gave, and I think it should have been tuned differently going into season 2. But it was way more interesting than a stat stick. With better tuning allowing for more viable combos I think it would be a higher ranked system.
Obviously, there's always a meta, but as we saw with Sporecloak there is a threshold where a throughput loss was worth the survivability gained. I could imagine a similar situation for annulet if tuning were appropriate.
I agree it was quite interesting and am surprised by Tettles saying it just wasn't relevant for him... I thought for most dps this was far and away the best ring for them in s1. The miss for me is there was a default best combo of gems in the ring for dps, and the same for healers.
There's nothing worse than farming HC Sark for 22 weeks (out of 25 for 10.1) to get my leggo in my main and only char I play, while ALL my guildies had it drop in normal/LFR with alts that won't even craft the damn thing. I hope they learned their lesson.
Vault sucks when i never get anything I actually want
I mainly hate it for like if i play 2-3 of my alts but i do one key each week with em just for vault at the end of the week and 1-2 of them get a dupe piece i pulled out the week bfore. like really now i gotta go another week with no upgrades.
Only took me 13 weeks of heroic kills, plus whatever normals and lfr kills...
Very rare items are is the worst system I’ve ever seen. As a tank main I just constantly lost the roll for the broodkeeper ring, and that’s when it even dropped. Tainted Rageheart was even more annoying because dps and healers would go tank spec to get it as a defensive. Speaking of rolls and changing loot spec, group loot is a fucking cancer. I wish they would bring back personal loot with bonus rolls
I thought the annulet had a lot of potential, and the vaults were actually pretty cool too! Just sad it was a bit meh and didn't last long
I tend to agree with that. I do think the max potential of the annulet still is only like b-tier though. The meh effects + bad tuning made it not sick.
I liked it. but i was also playing tanks and a rogue at the time.
@@Tettlestoo many options that were horrid in my opinion. And it was pretty passive and boring, you just kind of forgot it was there.
I think great vault AND catalyst AND bullion is too much. Two out of three is fine, probably catalyst and bullion would be best.
fyralath was the worst, because so much playerpower was bound to it, the evoker legy was nice to have, but not exceptional. the ring with the 3 gems was annoying but way more accessible and ez compared to the leggos.
I still 1000% prefer valor over the crests and flight stones system. I think the crest system already sucked when you get a piece and have to drop a few key lvls to ugprade it but It got even worse imo with bullions (good system). I like that I can upgrade them to max ilvl but why in gods name do they have to start in oompa loompa low ilvl where I'm literally spamming M0s to get crests to upgrade them. Like please stop giving me a reason to go do M0s there is no way I'm downgrading crests early or even mid season just let the items start at a higher ilvl I beg or at the very least let us obtain small amounts of lower tier crests when you get a higher version as a drop. Anything to prevent me from having to do M0s on alts would be greatly appreciated!
I would throw embellishments into F tier as someone who does pve and pvp. Not only do I have to have different ones from pve to pvp but I also have to choose between making them for raid or M+ as both are the same bis. Then you add in each one costs between like 2-5k early in a xpack and then you have to have them recrafted every season and then you make an alt and you have to do it again. Ive bled so much gold this xpack that it unironically forced me to get back into pvp carries.
Fyralath was terrible to get, and felt terrible to use I will be glad when it is gone, and I hope they never make anything this clunky ever again.
Leggos were terrible. Being balanced around having one feels like garbage
If only the annulet had some actual interesting combos instead of "which 3 of these do the most damage in every situation". Why bother making like 12 gems that all just proc damage and healing? Obv people are only going to use the 3 best and never think about it again
They should remove crests and run it more simillar to mop remix so u dont have to run low keys to upgrade items instead of just pushing and be able to upgrade low and high gear
Just make it steep so u dont easily upgrade from lfr to mythic
soooo bring back valor?
@@Rural-ds4ut yes i forgot that was a thing
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How are very rare items 'OK'? When they pretty much are everyone's BiS? What's the point of having 1 or 2 items that are bis for everyone and be put on a smaller than normal drop chance? so you cry every week that you don't have it? So you look jealously that some others do? Come on, how could such a system be OK in any capacity?
Feel like The Vaults and embelishments could almost be Combined, Give the tokens you receieve for not taking an item and give you a good mix of things you can buy, Sockets for 3 , tertiaries for 'Offset pieces' for 3 Tertiaries for Main pieces for 4, Embelishments for 2, Add some crafting materials or something else, as well, and give you further ways to unlock slots each week, having 3 for raids 3 for m+ and 3 for pvp is just tedious.
They should divide vault slots into armor/ weapon / trinket sections. With 3rd slot being the most powerful hence requiring most bosses / dungeons.
funny that as a normal player i interacted with vault, crests and proffesion gear only. all these other systems were for the best players only
Very rare items should be personal loot just like the legendaries. Each time you don’t get it you get a better chance of getting it next time.
I want the ability to freeze great vault items like we do trader's tender items. I've run into a few situations where I have a tough decision and then god awful loot the next week
Despite being by far the worst very rare item, I actually really like the design of the Sark cloak and wish all very rare items were designed like that. Currently very rare items are pretty boring, all cantrip items are by default BIS just because bonus damage and very rare trinkets really aren’t any different than normal trinkets. I’d like very rares to be options to experiment with gear design, not necessarily be always good. For example, a piece of gear with all 4 secondary stats but -5% all tertiary stats. Stuff that is actually interesting to think about over just regular items with 5k dps attached and a bad drop rate
Crests? A tier? It's def down at the bottom. Why would you wanna have to do lower keys to upgrade gear coming from higher level keys? Like from +18 you'd have to farm low 11s just for crests. Also, requires way too damn many to upgrade, in combination with the stupid Flightstones which got a dumb lock on them too at 2k.
It's better than valor where we just ran +2s to upgrade gear.
@@vearheart42 Well... Here's the thing right... Running +2s to upgrade gear, was your choice.
Did you read that? "choice". Meaning, you could choose. I only did high keys and got plenty of valor from doing so, simply by pushing, and so did plenty of my friends etc.
Was absolutely 0 reason to farm +2 keys for it. Blaming it on bad choices by players, is not a reason to remove it either.
@@kungjocke9446 the removal of it was to incorporate a new system. The old system wasn't bad but it was limited by what it could do this one is more than just catered to higher end players. Just because you personally liked the old way doesn't make this worse.
To be honest they just need to allow upgrading lower tier pieces with higher tier crests at like a ten to one ratio. So it takes 1 myth crest for every 10 wyrms that way you can easily push gear up if you are doing content that requires it.
@@vearheart42 The old system, had worked for several expansions. There was nothing wrong with it, and was no need for a new system.
Crests in a combination with having to farm damn Flightstones, is the issue. Especially when it's locked at just 2k. We'll have the exact same stupid shit next expansion too, which is insanely sad.
Thing is, buying chests with items for alts etc, is insanely bad now as you can just cap out n buy 5 boxes at a time, with valor u could just perma farm it for a while.
Conquest for instance, has no cap. But for PVE, we have hella hard caps.
idk why ppl think legendaries should be easy to get, if everybody has it then it stops being "legendary", to me it feels weird that everybody has the axe, at this point just make it a regular drop, also, by dropping so much that everyone has it it can't be super powerful like a legendary should be. I know people wont like this because we are in a day and age where people are super entitled and feel like the MUST HAVE BIS to play the game, which is far from the truth, but i wish the legendaries were ultra powerful but barely dropped, and you'd be like holy f that guy has the legendary that's awesome, they just don't feel like that anymore, everybody has it and they are not that powerful. Oh, and great vault should be at least A tier
Classic vs retail argument
Or or a better plan. Remove legendaries because they all suck and are super pointless to even be in wow. Everytime they do legendaries they suck. Legion, Shadowlands, Mop, WoD, cata, etc all of them really really suck. You can look at all these and see why legendaries are horrible. If you were a mage in cata or a rogue and you didnt have ur legendaries... good luck getting into Dragon soul (atleast Herioc). Wod and MoP if u didnt have ur ring/cloak pft tf are u doing in my raid. And the best ones would prob have to be shadowmorne/fyralath. could you imagine if both these gave you like a heavy heavy dps increase but you may be that one warr/pal/dk who cant get that super epic 1% chance drop to gain that dps increase so you have to suffer the whole season hoping you get lucky all so you can preform at the top? One item should not take away from you being able to play the game and thats pretty much what people want legendaries to do and it just isnt possible. you'd have either so many people rerolling because they cant obtain the item or just flat out quitting because they dont wanna put 2k+ hrs into farming that one item. ( i know shadowmorne inst a drop but i just put both together cause they were made for same classes)