Op.2 No.2 in A Op.14 No.2 in G Op.26 in A-flat Op.57 in F minor Op.78 in F-sharp Op.81a in E-flat Op.90 in E minor Op.101 in A Op.109 in E Op.110 in A-flat Op.111 in C minor
Merci beaucoup pour cet échange si intéressant M. Barenboim sur les sonates de Beethoven ! Thank you for this really interessant talk with Giuseppe Mentuccia about Beethoven's Sonatas !
I think "His Masters Voice " comes to mind ! I think the most impressive comment from the maestro was l first played these works in 1960 and last year played them in chronological order for the first time. Absolutely absorbing ! Thank you sir !
Very interesting approach which it seems already is an addition to what is accumulated during more than 2 centenaries. But what I want to emphasize in connection with the current activities of Maestro conducting - the "Walz triste" by Sibelius couple days ago sounded unusually promising - the energy put in in order to convince about the best intentions of composer / conductor / orchestra produced the effect of big expectations which will not be missed by everybody including myself. Thank you.
@@johannesporphyrius5739 because I have the 2 disc CD. 😉. I would surely pick at least a few of his efforts out of a dream team of Beethoven piano works done so far.
We are so happy that you continued your conversation series!Your videos are very helpful, and it's so nice to hear such a brilliant pianist discuss such beautiful topics !Thank you !!!!!!
A true honor to listen to your thoughts on any subject, but particularly on this beloved man you have helped to bring into so many people's lives. I know his sonatas through your recordings, and always come back to them as to the teachings of a sage. A night or two ago his last sonata was on the radio. In that last movement I hear his farewell to music, and in a way, music's farewell to us. It fades into a silence that is like the entrance to eternity. Of course much has come after that, but none of it seems to encompass so much, say so much that one feels there's nothing left to say. And then from that silence arises that indescribable embodiment of life itself, op.131. Schubert undetstood all too well what the man had done when, after listening to this thing, he asked what else there was for them to compose. Your thoughts on this would be priceless. Thank you for your insight, your time and generosity. Who could hope for better presents this holiday season?
One of the most important technical improvements in the piano was the addition of the cast iron plate which was introduced just a few years before Beethoven's death.The plate allowed heavier piano strings tuned at a much higher tension (if you had this amount of tension in an all wood piano, it would implode into itself) which in turn allowed the the vibration of the strings to last longer creating the singing quality we're used to today, If you listen to pianos made prior to the introduction of the plate, not only is the timbre different, but there's much less dynamic range and you're also very aware how quickly the notes die out.
A lo largo de estos meses de confinamiento he estado escuchando, sin prisa pero sin pausa, las tres grabaciones que tengo de las 32 sonatas. Pienso que el efecto acumulativo es inexorable: la Op. 111 es la que más me sorprende y me emociona. Hay un momento en que pensé que el pianista se estaba tomando libertades: claramente me pareció escuchar un pasaje jazzoso. Es el genio de Ludwig van Beethoven: anticiparse confiado, alegre y luminoso al porvenir.
Very nice conversation, thank you. I would like to point out that the ambiguous person you mention who is unable to decide on, or is unable to commit to one path in life, maintains the option and ability to flow in many different directions, just like the ambiguous dissonant note. This can lead to a varied and interesting life, just as the note flows into varied, unexpected and lovely music.
Danke für dieses neue Video!!! Die Frage nach meinen Lieblingssonaten ist für mich nicht zu beantworten. Da habe ich mehrere Favoriten. Bei Beethovens Symphonien nenne ich aber eindeutig die Nr.V.
I listen to the Waldstein Sonata in 4 movements. I place the Andante Favori after the first movement and keep the mysterious introduction to the last. It makes Opus 53 ten times more symphonically satisfying!
Thank you Maestro! Is it ever possible to perform opus 120, Diabelli Variations? This is the 250th year since the birth of the Great Master Beethoven, and I believe he was fond of this epic achievement.
Interesting conversation. The one guy gets in a few lines. Barenboim takes over the rest. It's not really a conversation. It's more like a shut up so I have my turn to talk.
En la vejez casi todos los maestros hacen eso: en vez de conversar, dan clases. Yo lo acepto siempre que sea provechoso lo que se dice, aunque resulta un tanto incómodo.
Maybe we need something a slightly more detailed and thorough to celebrate Beethoven's anniversary. If you are looking for a deeper insight into some of his piano sonatas, you may want to visit the website "innig-ludwig" (www.innig-ludwig.com/).
Shouldn’t the sonatas for Pianoforte and violin and those for Pianoforte and violoncello also be discussed here as they are first and foremost part of the pianoforte sonata repertoire. That’s how Beethoven would’ve viewed his own compositions for his own instrument.
"Beethoven had in his ears a piano that did not exist at this time". With all respect, Mr Barenboim, I find it quite questionable. Beethoven's musical development in his sonatas goes in pair with the development of the instruments at that time.
Check Wim Winters Chanel. Double Beat is the authentic way to play Beethoven. Using this practice, all that Beethoven indicated becomes possible to accomplish. And all the details in the score that people ignore, you will have to follow.
The ONLY thing he does is advocate using historical sources. When was the last time people take account the mm given by the composers? When was the last time someone gave a solution to the broken metronome or target speeds? When was the last time Moscheles inegalite was used to perform music? Nonsense is the moron that has an imaginary figure in his head that’s better than any of us today based on what? Absolutely nothing
@roberacevedo8232. Yes I see it’s been three years, but supporting Wim Winters’ channel is a serious mistake and needs to be criticized over and over again. Of course, Wim Winters doesn’t familiarize you woth old written sources that don’t support the theory he himself believes in. Sometimes WW manipulates and censors its listeners. Such a practice is not approved on a scientific level, therefore WW’s research is not always scientific either. AuthenticSound: Bethoven Sonata no 9 opus 14/1 - Historical Tempo Reconstruction. The signature «MatthieuStepec» quote: «Oof, this first movement really falls apart completely. Another great example of how double beat doesn’t work!» Wim Winters,quote: «yeah, how about the fact that in SBT it isn’t even playable». WW double beat tempo first movement: 13:43. Single beat tempo: 6:51 After half an hour on RUclips, I got this result: M. Korstick, 5:45. Annie Fischer, 5:50. Igor Levit, 6:05. R. Buchbinder: 6:11. Jumppanen, 6:15. Sokolov, 6:18. Yokoyama 6:31. L Schwizgebel: 6:32. Barenboim, 6:45. All examples with repetition. Because I am banned from writing comments on his channel, I do not get the opportunity to present what I just show you. Moreover - there are several people who are not allowed to write comments on his channel, so important information you will not get to know. Hee is a source from 1817 describing the metronome in single beat tempo: «Thus,[minim]60 Maelzel’s Metronome means, that the minim in the movement to which it is prefixed, should be a second or the sixtieth part of a minute, or that sixty minims should be performed in one minute». I won’t bother you anymore this time, I know it doesn’t help, you prefer to support WW’s manipulations further. But ask yourself, roberacevedo: Are you really such a person who supports manipulations and censorship?
Wich one? Because his accents sound as the one a native spanish speaker in the Rio de la Plata dialect, who moved to Israel at 9 and had to speak hebrew and learnt german as a teen, later french and just then english (wich isn't the one he used the most because german is pretty much the lingua franca in the classical world + where he worked the most) would sound.
¿No hay subtítulos en Castellano? Primero no hiciste más "5 minutos de...", desapareciste del canal durante meses. Después la serie animada en la que ibas a participar donde le ibas a enseñar a un joven sobre música academia nunca apareció. ¿Ahora dejas totalmente al margen de tus vídeos al público de habla hispana? Vergüenza.
Beethoven imagining a piano that didn’t exist at the time? Or is it just that we play Beethoven in a way today that does not reflect what he had in mind 200 years ago? Making us think that this is Beethoven, and that’s the way he would play if he was here with us today. Please Check Wim Winters authentic sound Chanel here on RUclips.
Wim Winters & , so called. ‘Authentic Sound ‘ caters for people with limited knowledge or ability in music. It is full of historical inaccuracy, technical inaccuracies & promotes lifeless academic ‘performances ‘ from himself or accomplices posing as ‘historical reconstructions’. He demeans great music, either wilfully or through ignorance, to promote himself. Immediately any historical facts are presented that challenge his beliefs they are deleted & the sender is banned from making any further comments. I know, because I presented historical evidence contradicting his beliefs & discovered my comments were only appearing on my computer (shadow banning). Such fraudulent use of music & history needs to be exposed.
As a composer myself, that is something that me and other composers I know usually do. Unfortunately, there are a lot of limits in writing music so it won't be written perfectly and, also, the idea of attaching my works to historical performances sound terrible because it would limit my work so much. Historical accuracy is overrated and I wish the fact that it is mainstream will die soon, while remaining only for people who are intrested in that specifically.
8LyJu8. Just make the musicians aware of your view at the beginning of all your compositions, it sure will go well. As for Beethoven, we know that he was meticulous about how his compositions were performed. There is nothing wrong with restoring old music, but it becomes difficult when the old sources are interpreted so differently.
What are your favourite Piano Sonatas composed by Beethoven?
Difficult choice but 32 stay from another world.
N 10 for the original humorous end of each movement
N 8 is so great too
Waldstein
appassionata
Op.2 No.2 in A
Op.14 No.2 in G
Op.26 in A-flat
Op.57 in F minor
Op.78 in F-sharp
Op.81a in E-flat
Op.90 in E minor
Op.101 in A
Op.109 in E
Op.110 in A-flat
Op.111 in C minor
The ones that are played by Mr Barenboim (◠‿◠)
I've been waiting for another video for years. Thank you!
So good to see you again around here, Baremboim! 👏👏❤❤
Glad to see you well.
First video in 2 years!
Merci beaucoup pour cet échange si intéressant M. Barenboim sur les sonates de Beethoven ! Thank you for this really interessant talk with Giuseppe Mentuccia about Beethoven's Sonatas !
I think "His Masters Voice " comes to mind ! I think the most impressive comment from the maestro was l first played these works in 1960 and last year played them in chronological order for the first time. Absolutely absorbing ! Thank you sir !
If there are 2 things that I completly Love are Barenboin and Beethoven. What a pleasure Maestro, thanks for this gem.
The first movement of Op. 109 is special, and so unique among his sonatas!
It totally blew me away in the first listening
Very interesting approach which it seems already is an addition to what is accumulated during more than 2 centenaries. But what I want to emphasize in connection with the current activities of Maestro conducting - the "Walz triste" by Sibelius couple days ago sounded unusually promising - the energy put in in order to convince about the best intentions of composer / conductor / orchestra produced the effect of big expectations which will not be missed by everybody including myself. Thank you.
It is more like Barenboim is conversing with himself :-) Not complainin', love his comments.
Yeeeees more of the series. I've been waiting for years too
We missed this series so much
This is great. His Beethoven master classes are brilliant and I wish that he had done one for every single sonata. 💖
He has done one for every Sonata in 2020. You can see them on the side of the Pierre-Boulez-Saal. Greetings
🙌 good to see and listen to you, again! ☺
Barenboim is the best when it comes to Beethoven.
Indeed he is, hands down
@@khann2159 He is the best at anything he does ( plays) or conducts. ANN
@@anntietema1869 absolutely
Why?
@@johannesporphyrius5739 because I have the 2 disc CD. 😉. I would surely pick at least a few of his efforts out of a dream team of Beethoven piano works done so far.
Maestro! I'm so glad you've made a new video. Thank you so much for these.
We need more of these!
Legend of 1900! Great movie
We are so happy that you continued your conversation series!Your videos are very helpful, and it's so nice to hear such a brilliant pianist discuss such beautiful topics !Thank you !!!!!!
A true honor to listen to your thoughts on any subject, but particularly on this beloved man you have helped to bring into so many people's lives. I know his sonatas through your recordings, and always come back to them as to the teachings of a sage. A night or two ago his last sonata was on the radio. In that last movement I hear his farewell to music, and in a way, music's farewell to us. It fades into a silence that is like the entrance to eternity. Of course much has come after that, but none of it seems to encompass so much, say so much that one feels there's nothing left to say. And then from that silence arises that indescribable embodiment of life itself, op.131. Schubert undetstood all too well what the man had done when, after listening to this thing, he asked what else there was for them to compose. Your thoughts on this would be priceless. Thank you for your insight, your time and generosity. Who could hope for better presents this holiday season?
Op. 109 is my favorite. I love every moment of that piece.
Welcome back maestro i'd love to see your opinion on chopin's ballades that would be wonderful to hear thanks a lot maestro best regards 🎹👏🙏
The one I’m learning right now: Sonate Pathétique
Wow impressive. It is a hard piece. Good luck!
See you in 3 years!
The slow movements of each of the first three sonatas are incredibly beautiful.
But so incredibly difficult to play 😢
can't wait for the other episodes !!!!!
I was looking forward to a video, the contribution is excellent
I always listen to your Beethoven sonatas' album
One of the most important technical improvements in the piano was the addition of the cast iron plate which was introduced just a few years before Beethoven's death.The plate allowed heavier piano strings tuned at a much higher tension (if you had this amount of tension in an all wood piano, it would implode into itself) which in turn allowed the the vibration of the strings to last longer creating the singing quality we're used to today, If you listen to pianos made prior to the introduction of the plate, not only is the timbre different, but there's much less dynamic range and you're also very aware how quickly the notes die out.
A lo largo de estos meses de confinamiento he estado escuchando, sin prisa pero sin pausa, las tres grabaciones que tengo de las 32 sonatas. Pienso que el efecto acumulativo es inexorable: la Op. 111 es la que más me sorprende y me emociona.
Hay un momento en que pensé que el pianista se estaba tomando libertades: claramente me pareció escuchar un pasaje jazzoso. Es el genio de Ludwig van Beethoven: anticiparse confiado, alegre y luminoso al porvenir.
Sir Deniel Barenboim ❤️you are my modern inspiration indeed 🥺🥺🥺
The Baremboin explanation is very interesting but I hope more Giuseppe Mentuccia participation in this video
Very nice conversation, thank you. I would like to point out that the ambiguous person you mention who is unable to decide on, or is unable to commit to one path in life, maintains the option and ability to flow in many different directions, just like the ambiguous dissonant note. This can lead to a varied and interesting life, just as the note flows into varied, unexpected and lovely music.
Gran maestro mejor persona
Bienvenido, de nuevo Barenboim !!!! Saludos desde Tucumán.
Love to see these talks about music
Danke für dieses neue Video!!!
Die Frage nach meinen Lieblingssonaten ist für mich nicht zu beantworten. Da habe ich mehrere Favoriten. Bei Beethovens Symphonien nenne ich aber eindeutig die Nr.V.
Finally another video
I listen to the Waldstein Sonata in 4 movements. I place the Andante Favori after the first movement and keep the mysterious introduction to the last. It makes Opus 53 ten times more symphonically satisfying!
Thank you! (Interesting what is to be seen as a conversation 😅)
Espero que continuen estos videos, me gustan demasiado
Gracias Daniel! saludos desde Uruguay!
Could Listen to Daniel talk about Beethoven for hours. Is there a series of masterclasses on all the piano sonatas
Yes, I believe that there was a set on youtube a while back with david kadouch and lang lang on beethoven
There is a great series that Andràs Schiff did, in which he talks about all of the 32. Very insightful and very entertaining!!
@@ojwgrey5039 Thank you
Gracias maestro.
5:40 It didn't occur to me, but yes, Beethoven could have very much imagined,as he composed, a better piano than what existed in his time.
..... excelente 👏 gracias
Maestro je vous adore !
Giuseppe for president!
Waited so long
Thank you Maestro!
Is it ever possible to perform opus 120, Diabelli Variations? This is the 250th year since the birth of the Great Master Beethoven, and I believe he was fond of this epic achievement.
More, please.
B for Barenboim and B for Beethoven. Both are the best
Favorite song Beethoven sonata symphony 5
The last video was 2 years ago!!! Miss Barenboim.
when will the Spanish subtitles come out?
Ah a new video :)
Bonne Fete Mister Barenboim
Giuseppe quiet! Can't you see Daniel is speaking?
Interesting conversation. The one guy gets in a few lines. Barenboim takes over the rest. It's not really a conversation. It's more like a shut up so I have my turn to talk.
I would like Sir Deniel Barenboim talk more 😅😅
Subtítulos en español??? Xq no?
Subtitles in espanhol?
Sir Deniel Barenboim 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Hardly a conversation. More like a monologue.
At least we didn’t have to hear the other guy say Bethòven over and over.
En la vejez casi todos los maestros hacen eso: en vez de conversar, dan clases. Yo lo acepto siempre que sea provechoso lo que se dice, aunque resulta un tanto incómodo.
Maybe we need something a slightly more detailed and thorough to celebrate Beethoven's anniversary. If you are looking for a deeper insight into some of his piano sonatas, you may want to visit the website "innig-ludwig" (www.innig-ludwig.com/).
Daniel is fascinating, of course. But he doesn’t give Giuseppe much of a chance to talk
Well, one thing is for sure: Giuseppe is such a great listener... 😁
😍♥️
Las versiones de ANDRAS SCHIFF o CLAUDIO ARRAU....son insuperables....
Shouldn’t the sonatas for Pianoforte and violin and those for Pianoforte and violoncello also be discussed here as they are first and foremost part of the pianoforte sonata repertoire. That’s how Beethoven would’ve viewed his own compositions for his own instrument.
"Beethoven had in his ears a piano that did not exist at this time". With all respect, Mr Barenboim, I find it quite questionable. Beethoven's musical development in his sonatas goes in pair with the development of the instruments at that time.
Check Wim Winters Chanel. Double Beat is the authentic way to play Beethoven. Using this practice, all that Beethoven indicated becomes possible to accomplish. And all the details in the score that people ignore, you will have to follow.
@@roberacevedo8232 I know him. He tells nonsense and nothing he advocates is reliable nor based on historical sources
The ONLY thing he does is advocate using historical sources. When was the last time people take account the mm given by the composers? When was the last time someone gave a solution to the broken metronome or target speeds? When was the last time Moscheles inegalite was used to perform music?
Nonsense is the moron that has an imaginary figure in his head that’s better than any of us today based on what? Absolutely nothing
You are either for DB, or believe in something that can not be physically done. End of story.
@roberacevedo8232. Yes I see it’s been three years, but supporting Wim Winters’ channel is a serious mistake and needs to be criticized over and over again. Of course, Wim Winters doesn’t familiarize you woth old written sources that don’t support the theory he himself believes in. Sometimes WW manipulates and censors its listeners. Such a practice is not approved on a scientific level, therefore WW’s research is not always scientific either. AuthenticSound: Bethoven Sonata no 9 opus 14/1 - Historical Tempo Reconstruction. The signature «MatthieuStepec» quote: «Oof, this first movement really falls apart completely. Another great example of how double beat doesn’t work!» Wim Winters,quote: «yeah, how about the fact that in SBT it isn’t even playable». WW double beat tempo first movement: 13:43. Single beat tempo: 6:51 After half an hour on RUclips, I got this result:
M. Korstick, 5:45. Annie Fischer, 5:50. Igor Levit, 6:05. R. Buchbinder: 6:11. Jumppanen, 6:15. Sokolov, 6:18. Yokoyama 6:31. L Schwizgebel: 6:32. Barenboim, 6:45. All examples with repetition.
Because I am banned from writing comments on his channel, I do not get the opportunity to present what I just show you. Moreover - there are several people who are not allowed to write comments on his channel, so important information you will not get to know. Hee is a source from 1817 describing the metronome in single beat tempo: «Thus,[minim]60 Maelzel’s Metronome means, that the minim in the movement to which it is prefixed, should be a second or the sixtieth part of a minute, or that sixty minims should be performed in one minute».
I won’t bother you anymore this time, I know it doesn’t help, you prefer to support WW’s manipulations further. But ask yourself, roberacevedo: Are you really such a person who supports manipulations and censorship?
Пожалуйста, переведите на русский!!! Ну не говорю я ни на английском, ни на немецком, а так хочется узнать, что говорит мой Бог - Баренбойм!
D minor op 31/2
Los dos hablan español xq en inglés.....???
If he (Beethoven) just gave names to songs...
바렌보임아저씨도 이제 많이 늙었네요. 같이늙어가는 처지가되었군요~^^ 건강이 👍
Sub sphanis plis
Daniel accents revealed his participation in the darkest period of Germany. Benefits of the elite.
Wich one? Because his accents sound as the one a native spanish speaker in the Rio de la Plata dialect, who moved to Israel at 9 and had to speak hebrew and learnt german as a teen, later french and just then english (wich isn't the one he used the most because german is pretty much the lingua franca in the classical world + where he worked the most) would sound.
¿No hay subtítulos en Castellano?
Primero no hiciste más "5 minutos de...", desapareciste del canal durante meses. Después la serie animada en la que ibas a participar donde le ibas a enseñar a un joven sobre música academia nunca apareció. ¿Ahora dejas totalmente al margen de tus vídeos al público de habla hispana?
Vergüenza.
Beethoven imagining a piano that didn’t exist at the time? Or is it just that we play Beethoven in a way today that does not reflect what he had in mind 200 years ago? Making us think that this is Beethoven, and that’s the way he would play if he was here with us today. Please Check Wim Winters authentic sound Chanel here on RUclips.
Wim Winters & , so called. ‘Authentic Sound ‘ caters for people with limited knowledge or ability in music. It is full of historical inaccuracy, technical inaccuracies & promotes lifeless academic ‘performances ‘ from himself or accomplices posing as ‘historical reconstructions’. He demeans great music, either wilfully or through ignorance, to promote himself. Immediately any historical facts are presented that challenge his beliefs they are deleted & the sender is banned from making any further comments. I know, because I presented historical evidence contradicting his beliefs & discovered my comments were only appearing on my computer (shadow banning). Such fraudulent use of music & history needs to be exposed.
As a composer myself, that is something that me and other composers I know usually do. Unfortunately, there are a lot of limits in writing music so it won't be written perfectly and, also, the idea of attaching my works to historical performances sound terrible because it would limit my work so much.
Historical accuracy is overrated and I wish the fact that it is mainstream will die soon, while remaining only for people who are intrested in that specifically.
8LyJu8. Just make the musicians aware of your view at the beginning of all your compositions, it sure will go well. As for Beethoven, we know that he was meticulous about how his compositions were performed. There is nothing wrong with restoring old music, but it becomes difficult when the old sources are interpreted so differently.