MSFS 2024: IMMERSION KILLER
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024
- As a retired career pilot of over 5 decades I share my number 1 immersion killer on almost every flight and wonder why it has persisted through MSFS2020 until the latest MSFS2024 release.
Taking care of you mum is best hobby you ever had, I do believe this god bless her and you too,❤
Best wishes to your mom and to you. Hoping for a full recovery. Thanks for the video.
Sorry to hear about your mom. I agree 100% that objects on the taxiways is the biggest problem in MSFS2024. I was hopeful that it would be fixed in 2024, but no.
Sir, thank you for the video and best wishes to you and your mother! ❤
Russ, been there, and it's really tough, so all the very best to you and your family. MSFS2
Good to see you back in the saddle, Russ! I hope all goes well with your Mum, I've been in that position too, so I can understand a little of what you'll have been going through.
Greetings from Perth, Australia
Completely agree with you, makes you start thinking about MSFS/ASOBO instead of preparing mentally for taxi, takeoff !
As a pilot, I completely agree with you. These misplaced items ruin the realism. Thoughts and prayers.
Right there with you on the parental care issue. And agree regarding the signs, etc. Drives me nuts too!
Sorry to hear that about your mom. Going through the same thing right now .
I’ve been thinking to open a bug for this. The taxi way clutter is insane. Things like this shouldn’t have been carried over. What a shame
Sorry to hear about your mom Russ, looking after our moms in their golden years is really one of the great joys in life, after the years they put in caring for us! My main peeve about the latest sims is you can't save a flight, like with Microsoft of old. Then you just hit the save button, and picked up right where you left off. Now, the various "save" mechanisms really don't do the job, and it's really hard to learn anything, or complete a flight.
I hear you about the save issues. Those were good days.
Good to see you back Russ! I hope your mom is adjusting well. I completely agree on the signs and lights!!
Prayers for your Mother and your family as you work to comfort her and get her back to her rightful health.
Good to hear from you Russ! I'll keep your mom in my prayers. They're quite special people are "mom's." You're right about the displaced signs at many airports. Between that, and blinking (not rotating) airport beacon lights in VMC and daytime, it keeps me scratching my head. Always enjoy your videos!
When the video opened I was thinking boy, so much nicer looking than xplane then then video played out and will stick with my old standby for a while longer.
I agree that around and on the airport X-Plane is great but otherwise the scenery in MSFS is a lot more accurate representation of the real world. X-Plane is still the best for serious flight training. MSFS is way too dependent on the internet.
You are not the only one annoyed by the taxiway obstructions! Has been bothering me since the 2020 release. Last week a former 747 captain came to visit our flightsimclub. His first reaction: this looks beautiful! Second remark: why are those taxi lights inside of the yellow lines, that is wrong!
Nice hearing from you, Russ. Take care of fam!
Thanks, appreciate it!
Best to your mom and family.......The #1 immersion killer is the constant bobbing up and down in fake turbulence. For the 1000 + landings in my life IRL, I have never experienced this kind of fake weather simulation.
Welcome back, Russ, and best wishes to your mom.
Thanke
Couldn't agree more and as for your mom and how that has taken up much of your time, I totally get what you're saying and I wish the very best both for your mom and for you and the rest of your loved ones.
I agree with you about these immersion killers. There's got to be way to include code that would prevent the spawning of those objects. It's great that you are able to help your mom at this stage in her life. My wife is doing the same with her mom and I helped my dad as well. That's what love is. Find some time for yourself too!
I always appreciate your vidver down eos and experience Russ. As far as I know a huge amount of scenery is synthetically generated from airplane or satellite photos. That explains why things end up in the wrong place or out of scale.
I flew FS24 over Vancouver and found a tree as tall as a skyscraper. As a retired developer I think the trees are scaled about 20% taller than the building. That's fine for 1 or 2 storey houses....but not for 50 floor buildings.
I found the hand-made airports (most of the major airports) look really good, as nothing is generated automatically from photos. So unfortunately our smaller airports have these annoying features.
Regarding voting for bugs I think is crazy. A bug is a bug and needs to be fixed regardless.
With you, sir! My home airport (N68) has several trees growing on the taxiway.
Trees are even worse
Wow. Congrats. 95 is awesome. Minus the quirks of course
That’s interesting. One of my favorite things about 2024, is the taxiways ARE now clear for me. The only time they are “cluttered” like this is if 2020 content was loaded into my sim.
This has always been a reality buster. The cars driving underwater with missing bridges has never been fixed either. Now that 2024 is basically a bug ridden XBox arcade game, I don’t expect any of it to get fixed. I think our best hope would be XP getting their act together when it comes to making the earth look like some semblance of reality but not gonna hold my breath on that either. I think MSFS 2020 will remain on my PC for years to come unless they find a way to turn this thing around.
Look into SimHeaven, Auto-ortho, or even VSTATES might still work with XP12. There are YT videos where they share how they mod to make it closer to FS2024.
Russ - you may be the only one who cares about the lights / signs in the taxiway at THAT airport, but you are not the only one who cares about it in the game in general. Another thing I noticed in 2020 at several airports (no idea if this is fixed in 2024 as I didn't pre-buy it, and will not until it's in better shape) is that taxiway names (labels?) in game does not always match what is on the charts for some major airports. I was trying to do VATSIM at KPIT and the controller was telling me taxi via ABC (or whatever it was) but the signs didn't match what they were telling me.
I was just thinking a few days ago "I wonder where Russ's review of 2024 is"
Spend time with your mom while you can.
I specifically scheduled shoulder replacement surgery a few days before 2024 launch just so I would not be disappointed in the inevitable launch bugs and give them time to work at least so of this stuff out.
Like you, the lights and especially vehicles on taxiways really bugged me in 2020. Its a bummer they are still with us, but at least there are third party developers that will be happy to sell us a fix again.
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1:32 I'd normally just attribute it to the Autogen module trying to decipher photogrammetry data when generating airports. Autogen will also randomly assign taxiways, then attempt to populate the taxiway signs on the airport grounds. But the sign in front of you is an anomaly even taking into account the "normal" screw-ups Autogen creates. Airports - in general - stick with one size of taxiway sign and base it on the size of the aircraft likely to be using it. An airport dealing with A380s or Dreamliners is going to have larger taxiway signs simply because the pilots needing to read them are farther away from them when sitting in the cockpit.
The FAA identifies five different sizes for taxiway signs and the MSFS SDKs for 2020 and 2024 do a pretty good job of following those sizes. The sign parked in the middle of your taxiway is obviously one intended for very large airports and the Autogen should have ruled it out immediately.
I started working on a scenery mod for MSFS 2020 for my home airport (KHEF) because of these exact same problems: taxiway lights that followed the taxiway centerline even though there was a run-up area that planes needed to access; T-hangars three-stories in height despite the accurate photogrammetry height data available; etc. When 2024 came out, the first thing I checked was whether anything was improved at my home airport. The ONLY thing that changed was the default image used for the terrain. The same Autogen issues that plagued the 2020-version of KHEF plagued the 2024 version.
That's what gets me to buy certain airports. I can't stand having an airport without parking or gate numbers. Taxiing in and out, and Navigraph parking charts is just what I need for a good immersion experience.
I wondered why we haven't heard from you in a while. I also hope your mother is adjusting well to her new environment. I recently helped an older friend with the change from owning a home to independent living and now onto assisted living. It's been tough on her. I do not understand how Asobo can overlook such an obvious and glaring visual error in both MSFS 2020 and 2024. On another subject, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on motion simulators like the DOF Reality and Yaw3. Have you thought about getting one? And if not, how come?
Very sorry to hear about your mother. No worries on the content production pause. Family comes first. I agree with you, regarding the lack of quality checks, prior to the sim going gold, even for patches, and updates. This is sheer common sense. LOL
Im in the same place Russ. Mine is 98 . But she's still picking weeds in the garden. Not looking forward to that day.
Yes, those TAXI light stanchions are all over the place, like they just borrowed from 2020 and ported it all over. I was at Honolulu airport yesterday and two large aircraft were embedded on their side in the concrete spinning around. I’m waiting to see the appearance of that white floating hexagon around the airports. Lol! 😂
You’re very fortunate to have your mother still with you. I lost mine suddenly a few years ago, just after I lost my sister suddenly. Bless you 🙏
Russ, my wife and I looked after three of our respective parents and, from hindsight, one thing I would now do is organise weekly Vitamin B12 injections. Many people over 60 will be become deficient, as their digestive system gradually struggles to absorb enough via diet alone. B12 is absolutely crucial to things like DNA synthesis and nerve health, so a deficiency can impact almost all systems, from brain to heart and also the autonomic system. This should not be costly, but may improve your Mum's health and outlook. That and cut out sugar and Seed Oils!
Thanks I will check that out
Hey man, praying for your mom! That's difficult. Stay well.
All the best with your mom. Been there. It’s tough.
I understand that very well being a pilot and it is a huge immersion killer. I love the look of the airports in x-Plane 12, everything is where it should be and even the VASIS line up with the ILS glide slope. Things like that are very basic and Microsoft/Asobo have to fix these things if they want to become more than just a video game.
Best wishes to your mum Russ, great video. I couldn't agree more.
We were able to have a bit of face time with Jorg and Seb at FS Expo the last couple of years... I know you couldn't make it to Vegas, hope to see you in RI in 2025.
Even in MSFS 2020 , the runway edge lights are sometimes on the taxiways that enter the runways . They still didn't fix them .
May I send my best wishes to you and your mum Russ.
Is the airport shown in your vid with the taxiway obstructions, the same one you mention that you soloed at? I'd like to 'go' there and see that for myself.
For some reason, I don't think the issue is as prevalent in the UK but maybe the size of the airports I fly out of is different or something else... as it must be surely be a global issue.
You missing the first few weeks of FS2024 may well be regarded by some as a blessing. Some may even say missing the first year or so might be wise 😅
Has and does continue to bother me.. 👍
Wishing your family all the best .
I remember you complaining about these taxiway obstructions before. Also I remember you not being impressed with their "career mode" aspirations saying they seem to have left serious sim enthusiasts on the sidelines. I didn't really get it then as personally I liked the idea of having a purpose in flight sim rather than just aimlessly flying around *pretending* you were doing something. But given that entire mode is broken and it feels like they've focused more on the XBOX arcade crowd rather than really enhancing the proper sim aspects, I concede that you were right about your concerns. Frankly I'm surprised you got it at all. I saw so much criticism in general I just decided to stay out of the fray till they get their ducks in a row. Sorry about your mom by the way, getting old is tough business. I've seen the older generation departing and that process is really forlorn have to say.
Yes, Family first!! I know your experience, Flt sim is only hobby for me because I can remain in house. FS 2024 has been disappointing but I have adjusted to fact we are the Testers for each release over past 30 odd years. Good Luck, have missed your inputs. Tks
heh KRAL, my old RW airport, rwy 09's intersection with 16/34 has tall taxi lights and taxi signs right in the middle of the runway
Totally agree with you Russ. Is there an item where we can vote to get this fixed? My experience with other Microsoft products is that issues that get a lot of votes from the community have a better chance of getting fixed.
That's why for realism and flying on VATSIM, I use X Plane 12. I'll us MSFS for GA bush flying. Granted, XP might never look as good visually out of the box as MSFS, but there there several mods like SimHeaven, Auto ortho, maybe VSTATES still works, ORBX products, ect. There are YT creators who are already sharing ideas of how to get it close.
I could have sworn that Asobo mentioned that there would be a global scenery edits platform that we could all submit to and they would be approved over time. What was that called again?
Hi Russ, sorry to hear about your Mum, i,m going through something similar with my Mum who has Altziemers , anyway i,m not a pilot just a simmer, your quite right when you talk about these immersion killers it would be a simple fix im sure, which airport are you at?
I think you're absolutely right. The secenery is said to be generated by an AI. That's impressive indeed, BUT: to not place any trees or lights on runways you don't even need more 'intelligence' than a simply instruction like this: 'if runway = true then no obstackles, please'. Maybe they forgot the 'please' and the AI was pissed that they were so rude.
Hope Momma is good and comfortable.
Thanks… she is.
God bless you for taking care of your Mom.
Microsoft has become good part of the jerks society in America. All they want is our money without taking care of the quality they offer.
I too was very disappointed when these annoying obstructions reappeared, thanks for sharing this.
It's a shame, the immersion was significantly better for a while.
Thank you. for say that , you have rights words .
It bothers me too! Anything that is an immersion killer needs to go.
also have you gotten any traffic just parked up on taxiways too, cuz thats another fun one.
Yes
This is why I have more than 200 custom airports. Now waiting for msfs to release them through library. I can hardly fly to a default airports
Idk as a non pilot i couldn't care less, but the popping up things do that for me.
I agree… and in the game career mode they have you stop on the runway and hold short of the taxiway… wrong way to teach people
You should see different planes upside down at the airports or something similar
In my case, at kgeg I had trees in the middle of the taxiway
Definitely an immersion killer there
The basic assumption of Adobo, or their AI, interpretation of airports is
1. All buildings are homes, not hangers, even if there are taxi ways next to them.
2. All beacons are the same huge structure, in the middle of the airport.
3. All airports have huge taxi signs and lights, and fuel depots.
It doesn't matter the airport size, it is a global "misconception".
Also having a parking crew and tug at every podunk airport is bogus too
Ask a mod maker to fix your favorite airport or send a message to the developer about the issues. I reported a few in my area that had the issue a few patches later they fixded it. Just gotta communicate
You’re not the only one Russ - it really is basic stuff! 😕
As a real-world pilot with 40 years experience, they have regressed in so many areas. They haven't even got the basics right, like terminal buildings being there when you land, or sinking into the taxi-way at EDDM, along with 1,000 other problems. It's going to take over a year to fix all the bugs. I would have thought the STARTING POINT would be the FS 2020 standard we have now, with improvements on that, but not a chance. It is so bad I got a refund. I won't pay to be their beta tester. What you're observing is the X-boxification of MSFS. It's a game, not a simulator. Not all is lost though, we have functioning giraffes and deer !!!
If XP can only upgrade their scenery I would be happy there
@ As a professional pilot, I am the same. All I wanted was a properly functioning simulator, with the basics covered. I had great hopes for 2024, but they have been destroyed by Asobo/Microsoft. Your comment on the “democratic” voting system for bugs in their forums is very perceptive.
Mate Im with you, theres so many cringe moments in flight sim. Ive never ever before hated on flight sim til now. I just cant understand why the ai voices arent capable of speaking in phonetics. Other than that yeah these bugs are so frustrating too, especially when theres a tree for example on the runway in career mode and you cant land otherwise you crash or get an avaiator performance negging. I just give up on being a bloody guniea pig for developers and paying full price.
Why are you flying at default airports?
Cheap Pilot?
You should do a daily video with the title: Why wasn’t this fixed in MSFS 2024? That will keep you busy for some time.😅
@@hansgrietjes7310 😆
On my home airport, they literally have the runway where the taxiway actually is. 😂 And the real runway is just considered part of a field. They really need someone working on just making sure all airports are at least sensible.
Sad thing is 2020 had it correct.
These objects are not put in place by designers but auto-generated from satellite data. They are there already and find all of these would be difficult if not impossibile by hands. Anyway i'm pretty sure that with a bit of coding effort they can be "moved" out of taxi paths
I have been to that airport and there are no objects in any taxiways so I don’t see how a satellite photograph could show something that is not there.my guess is that it gets the runways, taxiways and ramps from the satellite photograph and just adds the lighting, vasi/papi and signage from some formula that pays no attention to the airport’s paved surfaces. I grew it could be fixed in the algorithm that places offending stuff. I had hopes this might be fixed in 2020 but now with 2024 they have bigger issues to fix
@@rbarlow You are most probably right. They are now overwhelmed by poor quality code and have most urgent fixes to do
Hello, MSFS2024 don't fix any MSFS2020 problem and just add a lot.
I think your mistake here is expecting MS/Asobo to be not only the creator of the simulator but also an airport scenery developer. I basically never use default airports because 1) they're nearly always rubbish and 2) there's no realistic chance that they'll ever be that good when theres 10s of thousands of them. Just buy addons for the airports you like and if you cant afford to, then....well you're gonna get issues like this. Its annoying i know, but i don't think its going to change.
X-Plane.
I wish they would improve the crazy road traffic. X plane is better in this respect.Thats another immersion killer for me and I have to have that turned off.
I'm sure Asobo are lazy on purpose and leaving certain things ' broke' or impefect, they hope amd want 3rd parties to make those things better, that way MS get a cut from every addon sale via SDk license or a cut of the sale.
i think microsoft is once again giving up on their flight simulator franchise so they could care less.
GWS mom
Tobii Head tracking doesn't work and the perfectly good interface from 2020 has been dumped in favour of a totally useless new version.Ever tried using ATC to ask for a fuel truck?When it arrives you'll be lucky if it at some stage doesn't drive directly through your aircraft.That's a leftover from 2020 that was never fixed.ATC is now broken so that you can't open its window and get a nearest airport list and ask for landing permission.I've gone back to 2020 'till all of this is fixed,2026?..............
Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority, that’s how it works. The comment: “May be I am the only one that is bothered about this, because I am a pilot and many are not and probably care less” is condescending, as it implies that folks that do not have a license really do not know what is important in a sim and Microsoft should fix issues that folks with a license find important.
Not what I meant but I see how you could have heard it that way. Lots of casual gamers start on the runway and end on the runway after landing. Taxiing seems pretty uneventful. Having spent a career trying to avoid hitting objects on the ramp it may seem more critical to me. I have to assume many are not bothered running over objects since I have never seen it anywhere up high on the list of items users have requested en masse to fix. I would hope my long career in GA, military, and airline flying gives me some small advantage in judging realism. Thanks for your comment and I will try to word things differently going forward.
"There's just no excuse for this." Well, you are a seasoned pilot and that is very cool. I am a seasoned software engineer. If most people had any clue as to the complexity of this type of project, they wouldn't say things like this. Hand placing and constantly updating hundreds of thousands (or millions) or objects is a literally-impossible task, so this type of work must be mostly automated. It also relies on large databases which may or may not have accurate information. It is not possible to account for every single scenario when writing rules for automation. It is also HIGHLY unlikely (probably impossible) for every single engineer on a project of this scale to write bug-free code.
Imagine people on your flights saying "there's just no excuse for this" because of actions you or your employer had taken; or maybe even because of something outside of your control. What would your response be?
To be clear, I am NOT giving them a pass for the abysmal state of the sim during launch. I played in the beta a month prior and it was clear to me that all of the bugs wouldn't be ironed out in time. This item will be addressed, but it isn't the end of the world.
hahahaha ..... the scenery is beautiful .... but that is the only thing! dont buy msfs, go for xplane! btw, why is the cockpit so dark.... . this is no simulator it is a kids game!
I really appreciate your videos, but family always comes first. So take the time you need. Your audience will be here. v/r