Katarin FAST KISLEV CONFEDS (Legendary Story Campaign)
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Kislev are very strong and rounded faction, but this poster faction has challenges on all fronts and civil issues that make uniting and holding it a very hard affair. Uniting and consolidating the Motherland quickly will poise your campaign for greatness. This video will help you dominate the home province so you can take on the world on your own terms...
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00:00 Overview of Run
00:45 Ending Civil Wars
01:00 Boris and the Enclave
01:35 Chuches and Orthodoxy Explained
02:10 Turn 1 - Diplomacy
03:00 Turn 1 - Construction, Combat, Consolidate
03:54 Turn 2 - Move up in ambush, x6 gifts and trade
04:40 Turn 3 - Take Gerslev & Tactics
05:10 Minor Settlements = Churches and Markets
05:50 Turn 3 - Level Up = Kossar Focus (magic can wait)
06:11 Turn 4 - Druhzina Diplomacy (chasing Military Alliance)
07:08 Turn 5 - Take Igerov
08:00 The Price of Civil War
08:27 Turn 5 - Raise 2nd Army (keep hiring)
09:10 Turn 6 - Split armies, Boyar to Jakova
09:50 Turn 7 - Threats
10:06 Turn 7 - x2 Patriachs to Volksgrad (besiege)
10:38 Turn 7 - Take Fort Jakova (Boyar)
11:36 Clan Moulder (React to his armies)
11:50 Outposts build relations
12:12 Turn 8 - Crush Rebellion & Take Volksgrad
13:17 Civil, levelling and Atamens
14:29 Turn 9 - Boyar = Guard, Katarin = Prague
15:45 Turn 10 - Boyar, defends from Chaos and Civil Wars
17:10 Turn 11 - Katarin, march on Prague & read the armies
17:45 Turn 12 - Besiege Prague if enemy close OR attack enemy force
18:29 Turn 13 - Take Prague
18:50 END TURN - How to survive reinforcing armies
19:57 Turn 14 - New Diplomacy Tricks & Consolidate
21:14 Turn 15 - Unite armies against middle threats
21:59 Turn 16 - Devotion and Supporters
22:36 Turn 17 - March on Hellpit (optional: hard but but good longterm)
23:10 Turn 17 - Confed Ungol & Gift his holdings for an Alliance
24:05 Turn 17 - Declare war Ostland check they'll follow first!)
25:03 Turn 18 - Building Allegiance (check for targets)
25:40 Turn 18 - Besiege Hellpit, use Encamp stance to heal with Boyar
25:51 Turn 19 - Hellpit is hard! Be careful!
26:07 Turn 19 - Battle for Hellpit SIMPLIFIED
28:00 Patriachs = healing and replishment on bears
28:51 Turn 20 - Counter attack Norsca and build up
29:20 Druhzina Enclave = Turn 15-35 confed (speed up by "borrowing army)
30:05 Great Orthodoxy = Lvl 3 Churches will rush the confed + fighting chaos!
30:50 Boris, unlock and easy Quest Battle
31:24 Hellpit = leave or make your frontier
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Great video, I learned a bunch of things, especially your utilization of diplomacy mechanics and how the AI actually assesses relationships. Also thank you for putting the words on the screen to emphasize key points - it’s extra effort that really increases the information people get from the video. 👍🏽
Thanks mate, I stopped with the narration over the top for a couple of vids wondering if it would be noticed and brought it back here.
Good to know the effort helped someone out :) Cheers for supporting the channel!
Been waiting for this. Can't wait to see it
Cheers for your patience! Enjoy!
Masterful tactics, turning an offensive siege battle... into a siege defence! 10/10!!
Thanks. Welcome to the channel!
Waaaauw Thanks for this wonderfull video, it shows now up in my feed! Thumbs up
Thanks mate, this run isn't going to work easily now that they've released Valkia and the other warriors of chaos DLC made it much harder. May I recommend my Kislev mastery which is very up to date :) ruclips.net/video/RjEx7rXMQUI/видео.html
Thank you very much, Gonna check it right the way!@@ElvenPlotArmour
Great as always.
Cheers mate, thanks for sticking with us!
This is a great vid my dude! I found that if right after you cap Praag you can trade it to druz for a military alliance and focus on Ostland while Druz deals with the rats. Still getting confed at around 30 then at about 40 boris is ready to get the throt trait and to cap hell pit. (with supply line bugs) You can also manage to control the 2nd army of druz and suicide it on hell pit to near instantly get them to confed while making it so you only have 1 useless money taking lord after confed'n with druz. Early brother alliances can delay their confed but you can use that same tactic to suicide their lords and to also buffer yourself from Norscans while Kat is making her way through Ost and on to Drakenhoff
Thanks mate. I love the idea of trading the settlement for an alliance, but I personally think Praag is simply too important as a major settlement and Kislev forts carry their civil administration, but if you're landing the confed closer to turn 30 then this is a very strong play! The "request army" function is essentially the ace up the sleeve in case they are being too difficult and worked great on prior runs. This function alone makes them worth doing, however, Confeds are far more weighted on threat level now than other factors. I'm still unsure on whether I like the way decisions are calculated in WH3.
Amazing guide, really love your videos
Thanks mate, appreciate the support. You got some serious views on some of your vids, well done!
@@ElvenPlotArmour Thanks bro. I’ve Been watching your guides for Warhammer 2 and 3, I have to admit they are all top notch and fully detailed, and they are my favourite guide videos alongside Legendoftotalwars . Recently started a Tyrion campaign for the millionth time and used your guide to confederate other legendary lords before turn 30 and it’s been really fun. Keep up the great guide videos.
@@pzatotalwar Thanks mate, the support means a lot. Cheers for supporting the channel and catch you on the next one :)
Hey guys, just picked up this game and really enjoying it. This video is great! But as a total noob, is there a longer vid that goes into the finer details of every aspect, including combat, that you’d recommend? Love your content and passion. Thank you!
Copy and paste this list in your notes if you'd like - essentially my best of tuition:
All Basics (WH2 but relevant): ruclips.net/video/anXCV-prPT0/видео.html
Battles Complete: ruclips.net/video/pCHwQwtqPco/видео.html
Battle Mechanics: ruclips.net/video/N-0vM3IAe0A/видео.html
Diplomacy Complete: ruclips.net/video/jGTbnZMY1Co/видео.html
@@ElvenPlotArmour dude thank you! Your passion for this game is palpable. Very impressive stuff.
Is this best start guide still relevant as far as you know? I’m about to start my new campaign now.
I’ll watch the other videos you mentioned
Awesome video! It's helping me immensely! I am wondering however, where I can find the formations video you reference part-way through. It's entirely possible that I'm just that blind, but I can't seem to find it on your channel, and battle formations and tactics are probably my biggest weakness in this game so far.. 😓
Stoked to help mate, don't be shy to ask anything. Link to video is here and very applicable to Kislev
ruclips.net/video/l3zNfoI5gt4/видео.html
Good luck!
@@ElvenPlotArmour thanks so much! You and the handful of other guys that put out amazing content for this game have really made it so much easier to get into this behemoth of a series for a first-timer like me. Doing the Lord's work 🙏🏻
This guide has changed my legendary kislev experience
Prior I was able to win by taking praag and sacrificing the eastern settlements because I just couldn’t deal with the onslaught of all the stacks
So I managed to beat the campaign doing this but in the ‘keep playing’ mode just got completely overrun by chaos and ogres
Your strategy is important because it secures more territory and uses cheaper armies so you can field the lords needed to hold territory
This seems to be the only way to really keep chaos and ogres at bay - otherwise they inevitably destroy the west and the north east and you can’t claw your way back with the five chaos factions constantly at your throat
So glad it helped out! Katarin, despite being the poster girl is a very hard campaign.
There is simply never a break and it requires you to do big siege defenses and sending relief armies. This is why Hellpit, while being tedius to hold, can stop several armies and protect the interior. I agree the North East can be challenging to hold and just when you've raised walls and think you're safe, Skrag comes a'knocking! That said, I love the factions and the campaign is frantic fun!
Cheers for sharing your experience!
@@ElvenPlotArmour I agree, it’s been a lot of fun. I deviated a little from your perfect execution but the important steps are outlined in when to get your 2nd lord and how to use him to guard while you go for Praag
@@Merknilash That's honestly the most critical thing, not losing 3+ turns taking Fort J with Katarin when you need to get Praag ASAP. I try to make my guides a means of educating how to progress, react and give ideas for the creativity of the rest of the viewer's campaign. Good luck in yours!
How did you global recruit those kossars in only 1 turn?
Great video & explanations I have just one question. At what point do you start replacing your army with tzar units? And In which settlement do you build the necessary barracks?
This is interesting. My strategy is rush the supporters fighting chaos, ogres and Raposmen clan rushing through their settlements. I can reach 50 in around 10 turns for easy confederation since you only fight and fight using Tor and buildings breaks the threshold
Absolutely a good strategy. There was bug in this version of the game which prevented earning Supporters from fighting Chaos so this method would normally set you up quicker. Difficulty level plays a big difference on Kislev too (more than normal) as their poor economy is so dependent on loot! Cheers for watching mate!
@@ElvenPlotArmour It was legendary no mods despite ppl not being able to belive it I cant record shit on my potato xD
Great content!
But I have trouble to reach defensive alliance with Druhzina at turn 4. And do not know what I did wrong or maybe something changed during patches but on turn 4 I have -4 to defensive alliance and with military access I have -3 and not enough money to sign agreement. Playing to turn 7-8 still nothing changes. I play on VH/Normal so teoritically should be easier ;P
Thanks mate, sorry you're having trouble. There is a chance it's a version difference, and yes things should be easier :)
One thing to check for is to hold off trading/non-aggression with any factions they don't like. Select them and hover over the neighbors to get a gauge on this, though it's unlikely they'll be too affected. The traits for minor factions is RNG and perhaps you drew a bad combo (that's usually what hinders these confed runs). More important than rushing this alliance is making sure they stay under heat from enemy threats. Draw them into wars that will exhaust their military and set them up so it's a matter of time till they need their Tzarina to save them ;)
This is cool and the overhall works, however with the chapions of chaos and the chaos dwarfs its much harder to get all of Kislev rapidly. Valkia is preety annoying since she destroys almost instantly the northern dwarfs and festus ravages the northern provinces of the empire leting your flank exposed (Erengrad).
You're not wrong here buddy. The introduction of Valkia was a really painful hit to this guide! She's savage!
Would love if you could revisit the campaign now. Throt first? Azhag? Praag? tried them all. Praag is guarded by a fkn normandy sized army. throt is just pinging back and forth having 3 armies in ambush mode , Azhag is doable if you rush him , if don't he had more troops than eastern front in ww2 combined... you rush him ? throt declares and you rush to defend kislev... oh you know what? here's damn dwarf declaring you straight away to take away your hard fought settlements bonerattlaz once had using his stupid cave in popping either on azhag territory or going to your settlement at the front of the mountains... i dumped all my income into two armies , dancing through the blades with feet on fire ... finally i thought i managed to hold them reasonably. So yeah , here , have norsca klan that nobody touched yet so i am fighting against jet fighters with kossars and their bows.
I know i am doing something wrong but DAMN it's hard as hell. I like challenge but that throt is annoying with the ambush tactic. and i am playing on normal diff kek
Hey sorry you're having trouble with this mate. Since Valkia's introduction this campaign was turned from hard to very difficult! Rather than lie and promote false hope, I don't think I'm going to revisit this in the near future. I might eventually as this does unlock Belakor and Boris but I tend to be Immortal Empires centric these days. If I get the chance I'll revisit the campaign, so you've inspired me to give it another look :)
TIPS: to avoid ambushes, use your own ambush stance, moving up with 25% left. Hover over the ground and try to good rates if possible, but your mostly using this to keep your army invisible so YOU can jump on them.
Army setup? 5 armoured Kossars with shields (3 acoss the front and 2 on the rear corners, then 8-11 regular kossars to keep the cost down. Getting Patriachs on bears with the heal ability is king, also get research that gives +4MD on Kossars as well as more witches - casters need levels so field them sooner. Late game throw 2-3 War Bears on each flank (6 is all you need) with 3 Xzar Guard to protect the front line. This gives you late game power as well as affordability. Lastly, Stretlsi are good but 4-6 max is all you need. They are expensive and need LoS. See my Kislev mastery guide for more as well as Tier List. I believe in you!
Where is the starting province of boris? It belonged to kislev once as well! =D
+ Does Ostland really belong to Kislev as well? I once saw that they are culturally very similar
Ostland is an empire minor faction so it is a hostile action to take them. Typically I forbid attacking human factions but this one is a swift victory, meaning you can subsequently focus on making strong allies. A strong Empire is a strong Kislev campaign! ...I just wanted Ostland's goldmine ;)
Also, feel free to march past the Empire and take out the vampires for a 2nd goldmine.
When Kataryn/Kost rescue Boris you can either gift him a major fort or just confed him..... let's just confed him!
Boris will own all Kislev lands when we finish!
Can someone know what music is it used in this video? Anyway, your vid is very helpful, i learned so much like use square formation unit for moving faster than rectangular formation.
Glad the video helped! Thanks for the comment and Sub! Music was made in Ableton Live.
@@ElvenPlotArmour what a pity, i would like listen more. xD Gj to make this sound. I m watching your tutos, you did great job, keep it up.
@@panyapanya5946 Thanks mate, I'll try to get some new content out so you can get the best of both worlds haha
I tried this so many times but Praag is always the hardest go get because there's always a boyar sitting in it.
I think the changes to AI and updates have really changed the flow of the early game and impacted this run.
I have a Kislev Mastery Guide which tells you all you need to know to develop your own strategy, if that's of any help. Cheers for watching!
Yeah, mine went tits up.
Valkia and Changeling both declared war on me, ending my alliance. Still confederate them, but I now need to deal with them first.
This is before Valkia... I've received multiple reports of her making the Kislev experience even more painful!
Nail those defensive battles and build the garrison building to get towers, they're a file saver!
Tried your strategy... but i found full army or Pragg and incoming full skaven army (after i joined war to get defensive alliance, as i can see i was in peace while before you started at war)
Sorry mate, since Valkia was introduced it's really shaken this campaign up and this guide really needs a revisit. The concepts still hold, but turn by turn has a raft of new challenges!
"chuches" in spanish means candys. So guys, pick all candies you can XD
How do you handle Girgor if instead of raiding he decides to camp in volksgard ;/ And then bearsonling comes in and wrecks me
A great tactic can be to put your army in Ambush stance while still in range of your settlement.
If he's aggressive, you'll intercept him and destroy his army on the approach.
Depending if he has a relatively weak army you can hire another lord and a few Kossars to build a force you think you can defend with - early Norsca are weak to missile factions. It's key to getting walls up on these settlements ASAP so do whatever you can to not lose ground.
Also, once you destroy their army, see if they're interested in peace and consider it if you don't intend on expanding that way in the short term. Hope that helps!
Ngl im on normal difficulty and that turn 5 fight left me with such a small amount of troops, idk if im misplaying or if something changed in the game lol.
Perhaps your letting your Kossars blob and stand on each other? This prevents them firing and lands you more losses. If you need to take a turn to heal and regroup you'll be fine on Normal :) Let us know how you go! Just make sure you've got good numbers before taking Hellpit or even consider getting another Boyar with some extra troops, do a big save every turn before you land it incase you need to back track. Good luck mate! Kislev is tough!
I’m not sure why but I always get battlefields with no settlements in them
This was the original version - they changed the game to have all minor settlements be field battles unless the garrison building is built.
I recommend playing Immortal Empires instead as Miao Ying - I have a guide coming out in the next week so feel free to sub if you're interested.
I also have a Discord if you'd to discuss strategy. Cheers
Why are patriarchs good?
Is it for the army?
Because they seem to suck as agents
I used a lot of frost witches however.
Frost Witches and Maidens are both excellent. The Patriach starts off squishy but having 2-5 of them in your army will boost your casualty replenishment through the roof. Moreover, ALWAYS give them the healing spell, put 2 points in this. This means your hero heavy army will be healed up after every encounter. Once they hit level 11 their Bear Mount fixes every weakness they have and they now have the speed to run over and drop heals on any characters/bear units. They can run ahead and tie up units while your arrows and guns shred them so always max HP, armour and melee defence with them after the healing options are exhausted. One more thing... They have a level 20 skill which does -20% attrition. That includes plagues. x5 of these makes you immune to every form attrition. They are a rare non-caster hero that flirts with S tier (see my tier lists to see what praise this is!)
Also, yes my friend. I agree, they freaking suck as agents :) But having a minimum of 3 in every army will make legendary a breeze.
Thanks for that video . Would also like to hear your opinion about rifts and how to fix them . Maybe a 10 min rant video ?
@@Haarsgard Much aprecciated , honestly i went back.to playing warhammer 2 after only.playing 3 campaigns . Katarina Konstantyn and Korn .
Thanks for the ideas mate. Feel welcome to join the conversation. There's a lot of conversation to be had around the rifts. If I can think of something constructive I could make a video. I'd like them to perfect this campaign before they release IM. You've highlighted the biggest issue: despite such variety in the factions, they all feel the same due to the rift story. It's ironic how such an innovative story has resulted in the variety being channeled into a repetitive experience.
@@ElvenPlotArmour Very true had to.download a mod i found to just play sandbox without story .
@@ElvenPlotArmour One thing for sure is that once you've won the race they shouldn't keep spawning when other factions try to "win the race" still. That's just dumb and obnoxious.
@@Merknilash Mate... I couldn't agree with you more... The Greatest Endgame Reward: No more rifts 😂
Allying with literally anyone on this campaign results in them whining and constantly begging for military help to fight the wars they fail at, and every single time I join the war the first thing that happens is whoever is smacking them about immediately forgets they exist and comes to take one of my settlements. Straight away, every time. The allies do nothing, what's the point? It forces you into an alliance with the Empire that you can't avoid, and then the empire does absolutely nothing to help.
I have a video on diplomacy that highlights the best way to use diplomacy: ruclips.net/video/jGTbnZMY1Co/видео.html
Regarding alliances - if you're on the frontline, and the other party is in a safe spot, you want military alliances as you can pull them into your conflicts and align their interests and military with your expansion. Defensive Alliances are best if you're the one in danger of being declared war on to rope them in.
Most of this is to align your neighbours to the same wars to prevent multiple offensive fronts. This means less military spend, more construction and better concentration of power. As for armies, check out my Empire Formations Guide, it'll give some ideas. Use primarily basic Kossars and then 3-6 armoured kossars on the corners to hold the line. Good luck!
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How to not accept confederation? I don't want to expand suddenly. I enjoyed playing as an over watch to my allies. suddenly the rasputin guy gave all his armies and lands to me.. @_@
Confederations can just be declined, normally. You can opt to stay allies or even just trade partners with anyone.
The only exception is Kostaltyn and Katarin, where if you win the supporters race you automatically confed, but that won't happen till at least turn 55-100 :)
I was lucky and I got ostland's gold mine thank to konstaltyn(confederated with him when he had declared war on him, thank to that i could trade with him for the money xd)
Haha that's great! Good luck with your campaign! Check out my Kislev Guide and Tier List videos if you're looking for pretty much everything I know on these guys (that I wish I'd known on my first play through). Unless you're a veteran, then give em hell!
this doesn't even work on medium let alone hard or above.
Sorry for the late replies, life's been crazy. Comments attached
confederation is a waste of time because there's no money to actually have the military to defend any of it. Gorequeen just waltzes in like you're not even there, same with the Norscans north of the mountains. I had a military ally miles away from vampires get warred by the vampires, then the vampires immediately attacked me. Sweep straight in and take half my settlements. Kossars are crap they don't work this way at all, as soon as they're in melee they become utterly useless. It gets really fun having a full stack army on *normal difficulty* get a "valiant defeat" against a half stack of whatever's just wandered straight in. There's no money to get any of the unit upgrades. I'm basically only using Kossars and I have no money, ever. I have 4 militaries around turn 50 with no money, and basically no empire because fast confed is a great way to have a massive, indefensible empire with no money and settlements that keep getting reset. Also, my allies do nothing. Apart from Kostaltyn, the rest of them are useless. Confedding Druzhina Enclave is a waste of time because they can't even hold their settlements. Neither can Brotherhood. You get a few settlements split down the middle by whatever has swept straight through them like they're not there. None of this strategy works at all.
You've highlighted a common issue here (correctly) that this was filmed before Valkia was introduced, and boy does she bring in a lot of pain into the realms of chaos map. Being honest I can't even recall that map's intricacies as I centre around Immortal Empires. I really recommend jumping in there as Miao Ying as Kislev rank among the hardest of all campaigns (and there's many there!). I agree with the cons of confederation and the hazards of overextention. Before Valia was here it was an easy defense, but now I think more of a turtle strategy is the way (build T3 walls on your minor settlements!)