Lupe's logic is very simple: You want to play gatekeeper, we have to get very specific with the keys and locks. You can't "hold someone accountable" for claiming to be the best when you're unwilling to clarify your parameters. And don't even agree with Lupe's EOW idea, but, I get his point: set a specific standard, and let's rap. Otherwise, leave everyone be.
Yes it is super frustrating that it's arguing without giving a real counter of what do you see it as then. I get why Lu sees it like that tho, it's like any competitive sport, you need the competition to show who are the best. It doesn't matter that someone had a bad day when otherone is standing with a gold medal. Like it doesn't mean it would need to be EOW, it could be something bigger if rappers would commit to figuring it out and make it huge. It could bring on light to some amazing talent and there could be to make a song for the event with having to have some aspects in it and then show certain skills on stage. Then verified judges giving their opinions all around. Doing it like having already screen the best ones for the actual event so it isn't just anybody can be at the Actual showdown. Truth is that labels would hate that because they want to control certain crossing interests, hence it stays as small and really best that there is, is EOW. To represent somekinda metrics. Just with Lupe, Atlantic had crazy amount of grievances and it must be for his subject matters.. dude brought a grammy into the building and a nr.1 billboard hit but got treated like sh!t after two very succesfull albums. Since third they just made everything super hard. Last one at Atlantic, Drogas Light they didn't even release, a hacker group released it for them not doing it. There was petitions and all that jazz to put it out. Labels have for example since 90's, comfirmed by BIG artists (Ice Cube/Bone Thug's) in the game of the heads of labels owning stakes at privatized prison systems and pay better if you rap about violence etc. They fooor sure have crossings with pharma for that signing xanax rapper face, it just doesn't look good when so many drops dead so let's keep it at codeine (lean) I guess.
I doubled back to this after doubling back to Wraith a few times to break down the different mechanism and skill set Mickey was displaying to my daughter. Your comment is spot on: "N*ggas with names, living off reputation. Sometimes you gotta remind them...." -Nas Judging writing is subjective, yet evaluating skill in writing is to a degree possible. There has been far too much "gatekeeping" from popular, street, or stamped mcs that has clouded the view of fans of the craft. Though I believe their is flaws in Lupe's suggestion, at least he is presenting a metric by which some form of performance based evaluation can be created.
14:00 Mickey keeps saying even till this day, he don’t wanna be the best, Royce says he don’t look at his verses like he gotta do better than others, Mickey says he does. Seeing how this unfolded really opens my eyes.
Lupe and Royce are surrounded by smoke. They both want smoke. At this point you can tell. Luoe is annoyedthat Royce thinks his ideas are low energy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lupe was purposely jabbing at Royce lol Mickey said “ I’m not going to say I’m better than Royce “ implying he is but won’t say it, then Lupe makes a face laughing. Then says Mickey does everything Royce does but better, then keep throwing shade saying random better too. This felt like a tactical effort to attack Royce. Looking back, seeing how everything played out, then coming back to see these, yeah it’s clear they was tryna steal royce’s shine. They wanted to establish a bar for themselves, if em the best, and Royce his right hand, they tried to “ battle Royce “ in a way, basically jumping him, and wanted recognition as being better than Royce.
Everyone needs to see this. That followed through the whole situation. This is exactly my point... Like coming back- you can see it was set up from the start. Lupe specifically manipulated this. Understanding if you haven't been rapping and you get dissed and twice from two different guys, before you pick a pen you get disoriented in reasoning. I think Royce did the best thing by not replying.
@@dummy4794 what do you base rap off of? At the end of the day it’s words put together, lyrical content is a main priority, and if it ain’t, then you have no opinion in hiphop lol some of y’all think these drill rappers or vibe rappers are the one, when in reality, all the greats salute Em. Why? Why don’t the fans of this new age hiphop agree with the people who actually rap? Or some who do rap favor “ real niggas “ but there’s a fine line between dry snitching to make a dope track for the moment and timeless music you can always go back and appreciate.
@@boookythegod Lupe, MF DOOM, Black Thought, King Los, Canibus, Aesop Rock etc are all better than Eminem. Idk how you are watching a Lupe Fiasco video when you dont even know this. You obviously don't listen to much rap yourself
@@dummy4794 Lmaoo what? I actually rap you bozo 🤣 this is what I’m saying, fans and actual MC’s will never see eye to eye. Lupe it’s corny, he’s cool but corny. Kendrick should be mentioned as the greatest, j cole better than most those you mentioned, em is really better than Lupe and all them you mentioned, Royce, hopsin, cory gunz, jadakiss Lmaoo I can name so many MC’s who stand out. ASAP Rocky is not no top MC Lmaoo his music fire, but nah you wildin. Ain’t even say Andre 3000, weezy… c’mon now lol you have the internet’s viewpoint, I studied rap, there’s a difference. That’s like a fan tryna teach Steph Curry kid how to shoot 3’s, random John Doe isn’t better than curry so why would his opinion be valid if the greatest actually know how it goes.
When you Royce was doing Bad Meets Evil and you did caterpillar wrist Eminem you said it yourself you would never make someone feel comfortable enough why you are no longer competitive or competitors the song with Busta Rhymes and Eminem is a classic Karma and you can call Eminem corny and Busta Rhymes all you want whoever the other guy is it's so obvious who you're talkin about but at the end of the day we all know who would win in a rap battle he was a Freaknik and I'll wrap Olympics and Busta Rhymes respect. He's a Freaknik when it comes to rapping just because they were going back and forth something like you and Eminem and Bad Meets Evil oh, I'll just end this like this if you don't want to sit in the smoking section you don't have to money you do, and yes I am a fan people who respond Eminem's been jumped a million times and he's cleared it up himself and yes Royce you have said good things about Eminem but then when you get which other people you brought cattle I don't get that Mickey fractures right even though he shouldn't have called Eminem a mess I heard it but at the end of the day I know Eminem would be on your side Royce and you're saying it's not about a certain type of energy but Lupe and Mickey gave you that kind of energy is what y'all going to go out like period And I'm not saying this to be mean I'm just so sick and tired of the back and forth to the contradictions Jessica said if you scared say you're scared.
Royce is going to fucking WASH this dude and I’m the only one who knows why. Royce has been feening to battle rap. Not just with each other, but slaughterhouse was infamous for baiting and killing elite rappers they handpicked. I’m sure there’s plenty of convos and verses and this isn’t even A rap god he’s just nice and nobody to slack on: good practice for someone like Royce to get his feet wet in the battle world. Cassidy gave us bars imagine what Royce has to offer.
@@macmanjr100 how does that sound like an excuse? Listen to the freestyle and the track then. Do t listen to me listen to what I’m saying to listen to.
15:15 People say Royce sensitive and shit but havin' not followed this entire thing from the start and going back. Lupe threw a lot of shots at Royce for no reason. Royce and Ransom just having a cool convo and Lupe gotta get in there and be annoying. Then people wanna all dickride Lupe 'cause he got a cult following and trash Royce over ending up getting mad after Lupe was the one raising his voice and who threw shots over and over in all these videos.
Yo lupe was buggin about that eow shit..it ain’t like that’s the only place where anyone can prove anything..all the categories they have is shit that real rappers do anyway..you can see it and judge how you feel about every aspect yourself
Royce is a way better rhymer than Lupe holorhyming is the most advanced formation of rhyming. That's exactly what Royce does none these niggas in the are fucking with Royce in terms of rhyming. Not even close. Lupe is light years elevated above all of them lyrically he's a conceptual writer and inexpressibly layered Lu has the objective qualifications to be one of the best writers to be in your top 5. Royce is one dimensional asf he's only good at one thing that's rhyming lol. Lupe can do everything substantially better than Royce from a heterogeneous quantity of facets. Who's better is determined by subjectivity and preferential value. A divergence of individuals might appreciate holorhyming more than literary devices, layering, imagery, thematic density etc. Then you got people who prefer abstruse lyricism more than just rhyming barbarously with tons of syllables. It's super subjective at the end of the day.
Man as a fan of all of them. They hear Lupe’s music, but they don’t listen to Lupe’s Music. Cause Lupe washes all of them in all facets of rap. Lupe can do all of the styles while most of them can only do a few
@@Euoplocephalus2003. of course. Ain’t no best. I just think imo Lupe gets all of them. But I won’t be offended if you say one of the others is better because they’re all top level spitters
Lupe's logic is very simple:
You want to play gatekeeper, we have to get very specific with the keys and locks. You can't "hold someone accountable" for claiming to be the best when you're unwilling to clarify your parameters.
And don't even agree with Lupe's EOW idea, but, I get his point: set a specific standard, and let's rap.
Otherwise, leave everyone be.
Lupe just proves how weird Chicago niggas are.
Yes it is super frustrating that it's arguing without giving a real counter of what do you see it as then. I get why Lu sees it like that tho, it's like any competitive sport, you need the competition to show who are the best. It doesn't matter that someone had a bad day when otherone is standing with a gold medal.
Like it doesn't mean it would need to be EOW, it could be something bigger if rappers would commit to figuring it out and make it huge. It could bring on light to some amazing talent and there could be to make a song for the event with having to have some aspects in it and then show certain skills on stage. Then verified judges giving their opinions all around. Doing it like having already screen the best ones for the actual event so it isn't just anybody can be at the Actual showdown.
Truth is that labels would hate that because they want to control certain crossing interests, hence it stays as small and really best that there is, is EOW. To represent somekinda metrics. Just with Lupe, Atlantic had crazy amount of grievances and it must be for his subject matters.. dude brought a grammy into the building and a nr.1 billboard hit but got treated like sh!t after two very succesfull albums. Since third they just made everything super hard. Last one at Atlantic, Drogas Light they didn't even release, a hacker group released it for them not doing it. There was petitions and all that jazz to put it out. Labels have for example since 90's, comfirmed by BIG artists (Ice Cube/Bone Thug's) in the game of the heads of labels owning stakes at privatized prison systems and pay better if you rap about violence etc. They fooor sure have crossings with pharma for that signing xanax rapper face, it just doesn't look good when so many drops dead so let's keep it at codeine (lean) I guess.
I doubled back to this after doubling back to Wraith a few times to break down the different mechanism and skill set Mickey was displaying to my daughter. Your comment is spot on:
"N*ggas with names, living off reputation. Sometimes you gotta remind them...."
-Nas
Judging writing is subjective, yet evaluating skill in writing is to a degree possible. There has been far too much "gatekeeping" from popular, street, or stamped mcs that has clouded the view of fans of the craft. Though I believe their is flaws in Lupe's suggestion, at least he is presenting a metric by which some form of performance based evaluation can be created.
this aged well lmaoooo.. Lupe for the win lmaooo
Lupe kept putting on the cap when Royce spoke 😂
lool that‘s so real of him if true
royce is incredibly fake
This is how it started and Royce couldn’t control the dust he kicked up
Yehh
Ah so this is the convo that led up to Wraith? Lupe sounds fed up with Royce from the start. 😂
14:00 Mickey keeps saying even till this day, he don’t wanna be the best, Royce says he don’t look at his verses like he gotta do better than others, Mickey says he does. Seeing how this unfolded really opens my eyes.
Did anybody else see Lupe yell cap?
15:58 - 16:10 lmao 😂😂😂 Royce be tripping 🤣😂
Royce looking straight from total recall
Ransom top 5
You already know man Ran is da goat out of all people rapping right now✌😊
Royce funny as hell.
lupe is such a troll you can tell he doesn’t respect royce 😂
Ran is the best out right now, no one is lyrically in his bracket as of NOW!! 💯💯
I wish Royce had replied to mickey and Lupe all in one diss track
Lmfaooo @ lupe
Nas def the goat
Somebody in the chat said "Jay is more tactical than technical". Word. I'll take likes for the Tube for ya. Also this is extra legendary!
Shits a joke. Like wwe. Grown men acting like 12 yr olds.
@@prototype8137Are you new to this hip hop thing? What do you mean?
Being tactical requires technical detail.
Thumbs up if you left when Lupe did
25:33 My man Rock is describing Token
And many others like him. It's not specific to one person, obviously.
and Em lol. you can tell royce thinking the same thing lol
Can anyone suggest me some Mickey facts tracks?
@@DawnovanLegacy appreciate it my guy🤝
Random been rapping 20 years and bro album on soundcloud smh 😂 😂 rest my case royce for the win bro
Listen to his freestyle at Cassidy mansion
MICKEY'S MAUSE ALBUM OR A-
I see why Royce got diss he throwing arrogance and ego strongly.
I agree with lupe! All this talking but no action if really want it you know what you need to do.
Mickey just want notiriety... Him and ransom .. tham niggas been in the trenches forever.
Killah priest will eat all of them
Yeah ..... The Psychic World of Walter Reed beats any album made by any of them ..... Even Tetsuo & Youth .....
Trying to get into him, any recommendations? His most lyrical joints?
Bro your tripping , killah has a selective audience and that’s as far as he can get
You can tell Lupe anything, but it goes out the other
Lupe the best emce in there PERIOD do your homework
Mickey Facts might be able to beat all of them
Same as Lupe
Shit please who the fuck is mickey any way this beef gave him light
@@scottd817he had light before that he battled dalyt before any of this btw
Lloyd Banks would wash Micky
@@nategrae6074Who won?
All this talking and no rapping lol
Lupe and Royce are surrounded by smoke. They both want smoke. At this point you can tell. Luoe is annoyedthat Royce thinks his ideas are low energy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lupe was purposely jabbing at Royce lol Mickey said “ I’m not going to say I’m better than Royce “ implying he is but won’t say it, then Lupe makes a face laughing. Then says Mickey does everything Royce does but better, then keep throwing shade saying random better too. This felt like a tactical effort to attack Royce. Looking back, seeing how everything played out, then coming back to see these, yeah it’s clear they was tryna steal royce’s shine. They wanted to establish a bar for themselves, if em the best, and Royce his right hand, they tried to “ battle Royce “ in a way, basically jumping him, and wanted recognition as being better than Royce.
Everyone needs to see this. That followed through the whole situation.
This is exactly my point... Like coming back- you can see it was set up from the start. Lupe specifically manipulated this.
Understanding if you haven't been rapping and you get dissed and twice from two different guys, before you pick a pen you get disoriented in reasoning.
I think Royce did the best thing by not replying.
Em aint the best 😂 tf you saying. He top 10 though
@@dummy4794 what do you base rap off of? At the end of the day it’s words put together, lyrical content is a main priority, and if it ain’t, then you have no opinion in hiphop lol some of y’all think these drill rappers or vibe rappers are the one, when in reality, all the greats salute Em. Why? Why don’t the fans of this new age hiphop agree with the people who actually rap? Or some who do rap favor “ real niggas “ but there’s a fine line between dry snitching to make a dope track for the moment and timeless music you can always go back and appreciate.
@@boookythegod Lupe, MF DOOM, Black Thought, King Los, Canibus, Aesop Rock etc are all better than Eminem. Idk how you are watching a Lupe Fiasco video when you dont even know this. You obviously don't listen to much rap yourself
@@dummy4794 Lmaoo what? I actually rap you bozo 🤣 this is what I’m saying, fans and actual MC’s will never see eye to eye. Lupe it’s corny, he’s cool but corny. Kendrick should be mentioned as the greatest, j cole better than most those you mentioned, em is really better than Lupe and all them you mentioned, Royce, hopsin, cory gunz, jadakiss Lmaoo I can name so many MC’s who stand out. ASAP Rocky is not no top MC Lmaoo his music fire, but nah you wildin. Ain’t even say Andre 3000, weezy… c’mon now lol you have the internet’s viewpoint, I studied rap, there’s a difference. That’s like a fan tryna teach Steph Curry kid how to shoot 3’s, random John Doe isn’t better than curry so why would his opinion be valid if the greatest actually know how it goes.
When you Royce was doing Bad Meets Evil and you did caterpillar wrist Eminem you said it yourself you would never make someone feel comfortable enough why you are no longer competitive or competitors the song with Busta Rhymes and Eminem is a classic Karma and you can call Eminem corny and Busta Rhymes all you want whoever the other guy is it's so obvious who you're talkin about but at the end of the day we all know who would win in a rap battle he was a Freaknik and I'll wrap Olympics and Busta Rhymes respect. He's a Freaknik when it comes to rapping just because they were going back and forth something like you and Eminem and Bad Meets Evil oh, I'll just end this like this if you don't want to sit in the smoking section you don't have to money you do, and yes I am a fan people who respond Eminem's been jumped a million times and he's cleared it up himself and yes Royce you have said good things about Eminem but then when you get which other people you brought cattle I don't get that Mickey fractures right even though he shouldn't have called Eminem a mess I heard it but at the end of the day I know Eminem would be on your side Royce and you're saying it's not about a certain type of energy but Lupe and Mickey gave you that kind of energy is what y'all going to go out like period And I'm not saying this to be mean I'm just so sick and tired of the back and forth to the contradictions Jessica said if you scared say you're scared.
Mickey is not up there with none of those guys.
Royce is going to fucking WASH this dude and I’m the only one who knows why. Royce has been feening to battle rap. Not just with each other, but slaughterhouse was infamous for baiting and killing elite rappers they handpicked. I’m sure there’s plenty of convos and verses and this isn’t even A rap god he’s just nice and nobody to slack on: good practice for someone like Royce to get his feet wet in the battle world. Cassidy gave us bars imagine what Royce has to offer.
Welp this did not age well
@@macmanjr100 Royce hasn’t battled. He only responded to something and it wasn’t even the subject matter.
@@Loveilis sound like an excuse to me but whatever
@@macmanjr100 how does that sound like an excuse? Listen to the freestyle and the track then. Do t listen to me listen to what I’m saying to listen to.
@@Loveilis all I know is Royce took a fat L
15:15 People say Royce sensitive and shit but havin' not followed this entire thing from the start and going back. Lupe threw a lot of shots at Royce for no reason. Royce and Ransom just having a cool convo and Lupe gotta get in there and be annoying. Then people wanna all dickride Lupe 'cause he got a cult following and trash Royce over ending up getting mad after Lupe was the one raising his voice and who threw shots over and over in all these videos.
All lupe was saying was if you think that your the best at anything you have to compete. He’s was sending shots because Royce is capping
Yo cmon.. put rockness name in the title
Who’s name bro
Yo lupe was buggin about that eow shit..it ain’t like that’s the only place where anyone can prove anything..all the categories they have is shit that real rappers do anyway..you can see it and judge how you feel about every aspect yourself
Royce is a way better rhymer than Lupe holorhyming is the most advanced formation of rhyming. That's exactly what Royce does none these niggas in the are fucking with Royce in terms of rhyming. Not even close. Lupe is light years elevated above all of them lyrically he's a conceptual writer and inexpressibly layered Lu has the objective qualifications to be one of the best writers to be in your top 5. Royce is one dimensional asf he's only good at one thing that's rhyming lol. Lupe can do everything substantially better than Royce from a heterogeneous quantity of facets. Who's better is determined by subjectivity and preferential value. A divergence of individuals might appreciate holorhyming more than literary devices, layering, imagery, thematic density etc. Then you got people who prefer abstruse lyricism more than just rhyming barbarously with tons of syllables. It's super subjective at the end of the day.
Lupe made mural case closed..
@@JuiceLeeLLCyep 😂
Man as a fan of all of them. They hear Lupe’s music, but they don’t listen to Lupe’s Music. Cause Lupe washes all of them in all facets of rap. Lupe can do all of the styles while most of them can only do a few
@@Peytonwatson14 That's subjective
@@Euoplocephalus2003. of course. Ain’t no best. I just think imo Lupe gets all of them. But I won’t be offended if you say one of the others is better because they’re all top level spitters