You can clearly see how his father influenced his style with all these insane melodies in a what looks like chaos on the conductors score but sounds incredibly cohesive when played!
The music is sublime. The sound of the orchestration seems starting with some caos but is led to a fantastic harmony. Carl Philipp is an amazing compositor. Thanks for this sublime Symphony and outstanding interpretation.Viva C.P.Bach and his wonderful musical sensitivity.!!!
30 years later would mean it sounding like Beethoven’s Eroica symphony - it clearly does not. It was a very particularly commissioned work (the first of a set of four Wq 183), and with it’s twelve obbligato parts, it sounds very much of its time (c.1775). What makes it sound so unusual is CPE Bach’s very unique and idiosyncratic style - empfindsamer Stil plus - together with the fact that most people’s ears are only tuned in to the music of Mozart and Haydn from this period. Enjoy this very special composer on his own terms; you don’t need to compare him or date him - but he can be something of an acquired taste.
Ekvitarius You are absolutely right. Whilst CPE Bach is normally credited with being the leading exponent of the North German empfindsamer Stil, both Quantz and Benda also composed music in this style, but with a rather more pronounced Italian accent!
Elaine Blackhurst I agree that, ultimately, CPE Bach sounds like CPE Bach, but I see nothing wrong with comparing him with other composers, especially since-as you mention-most people’s ears are more accustomed to the late 18th century sounds of Hadyn, Mozart, and early Beethoven. You’re right-this piece sounds nothing like Beethoven’s 3rd (Eroica) symphony, but I do hear some similarities in the first three Wq 183 symphonies of CPE with Beethoven’s first two symphonies. Of course, this was about 25 years before Beethoven’s first symphony, so perhaps it’s more appropriate to say that I hear small bits of CPE Bach in Beethoven’s first two symphonies. Anyway, part of what is so awesome about CPE Bach is his uniqueness and how hard it is to pin him down with any specific “style.” His music seems to reject any strict stylistic classification, and that’s not a bad thing. David Hurwitz wrote a book about CPE Bach in the “Unlocking the Masters” series a few years ago which I found fascinating. I find Hurwitz to be controversial sometimes, but he is a good writer and I was thrilled to see a 200-plus page book about CPE Bach (and easily accessible without a Doctorate in Music) in a mostly-good series of books about various composers and their music.
I feel weird for loving so much baroque music.. a lot more than classical (mozart, beethoven..) i find their works kind of boring with all the repetitions. Pls do give me your thoughts and tell me if i'm missing a point. And if you're a classical music fan, just give me some pieces i might like
Ghadi Aoun CPE Bach (1714-1788), is not a baroque composer; his works mainly fall into the early classical period, though he does continue to use some older baroque techniques sometimes such as basso continuo and ritornello form. However, the overwhelming majority of CPE Bach’s works are written in the classical genres of the symphony and sonata for example, and he uses modern sonata form; his treatment of material is more in the modern style, not that of his father. CPE’s music is highly individual, and difficult to classify, but perhaps the best words to check out are empfingsamer Stil, or Empfindsamkeit. You will understand Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven better if you research ‘sonata form’ in particular, and will therefore understand clearly how the majority of pieces are constructed - the ‘repetitions’ will make more sense. If you enjoy CPE’s empfindsamer Stil, perhaps the next step would be to try some of the ‘sturm und drang’ works composed by a number of classical composers between 1765 - 1775. In terms of symphonies: Haydn 26, 39, 44, 45, 49, 52; Mozart 25; any Vanhal minor key work from this period, but in particular g1, g2; JC Bach Opus 6 No 6; to name some of the most obvious. It would also be worth investigating almost all Haydn’s earlier symphonies - unlike Mozart, he had a very musical and discerning, supportive patron in Prince Nicholas Eszterhaza and as a result, the symphonies are of a consistently high standard. Whilst incredibly varied in style, I would recommend the following Haydn symphonies t begin with: 3, 40, 70 - all with fugal elements; 6, 7, 8; and 13, 72 - the last being badly mis-numbered - it’s an early work; 31, 24 - concertante solo parts; 16, 22, 26, 30, - various contrapuntal interest. Besides these works, it is worth investigating symphonies by lesser contemporaries such as Beck, d’Ordonez, Michael Haydn, Boccherini (c minor symphony or La casa del diavolo); or something completely different like the composers of the Mannheim school (Stamitz - father and sons, Richter, Holzbauer, Lebrun, Cannabich et al). Mozart’s earlier symphonies perhaps fall under the main part of your criticism, whilst very beautiful, it is really only 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40 and 41 that are played regularly at concerts - these are almost all later works than those listed above; the earlier ones are generally less interesting than those of Haydn, who was fortunate in this respect, as Mozart was stuck with the Archbishop of Salzburg! Forget Beethoven as a ‘Classical’ composer; whilst often listed in this category, apart from a few early works, he clearly belongs to the next age - I normally refer to him as post-Classical. Hope all that helps; Google or RUclips some of the suggestions, you might drop onto something that appeals to you personally - there’s some great stuff out there.
Boring? You gotta be kidding. Try Mozart's Jupiter Symphony Don Giovanni or his Requiem just to name a few. And Beethoven well pretty much everything from the Eroica Symphony to the Emperor Concerto to His Late Piano Sonatas and Quartets to the Missa Solemnis. Believe me after listening to all that you'll feel like you entered Ali Baba's cave !
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You can clearly see how his father influenced his style with all these insane melodies in a what looks like chaos on the conductors score but sounds incredibly cohesive when played!
The music is sublime. The sound of the orchestration seems starting with some caos but is led to a fantastic harmony. Carl Philipp is an amazing compositor. Thanks for this sublime Symphony and outstanding interpretation.Viva C.P.Bach and his wonderful musical sensitivity.!!!
[00:21] -- 1. Allegro di molto
[06:30] -- 2. Largo
[08:02] -- 3. Presto
Rubens Emilio Alves Moreira thanks
them bachs were dope shit. woulda luvd bein around when they was all kickin
I really like that 1st movement
he's a beast like his father
Obra prima 🎼🎹🎻
Um dos filhos mais talentosos de Bach.
good composer
With the exception of the continuo, this almost sounds like something that would have been written 30 years later
Yes, CPE Bach was one of the true originals - a real trailblazer!
30 years later would mean it sounding like Beethoven’s Eroica symphony - it clearly does not.
It was a very particularly commissioned work (the first of a set of four Wq 183), and with it’s twelve obbligato parts, it sounds very much of its time (c.1775).
What makes it sound so unusual is CPE Bach’s very unique and idiosyncratic style - empfindsamer Stil plus - together with the fact that most people’s ears are only tuned in to the music of Mozart and Haydn from this period.
Enjoy this very special composer on his own terms; you don’t need to compare him or date him - but he can be something of an acquired taste.
I think that stylistically, this fits right in line with composers like Quantz and Franz Benda. Very mid-18th century.
Ekvitarius You are absolutely right. Whilst CPE Bach is normally credited with being the leading exponent of the North German empfindsamer Stil, both Quantz and Benda also composed music in this style, but with a rather more pronounced Italian accent!
Elaine Blackhurst I agree that, ultimately, CPE Bach sounds like CPE Bach, but I see nothing wrong with comparing him with other composers, especially since-as you mention-most people’s ears are more accustomed to the late 18th century sounds of Hadyn, Mozart, and early Beethoven.
You’re right-this piece sounds nothing like Beethoven’s 3rd (Eroica) symphony, but I do hear some similarities in the first three Wq 183 symphonies of CPE with Beethoven’s first two symphonies. Of course, this was about 25 years before Beethoven’s first symphony, so perhaps it’s more appropriate to say that I hear small bits of CPE Bach in Beethoven’s first two symphonies.
Anyway, part of what is so awesome about CPE Bach is his uniqueness and how hard it is to pin him down with any specific “style.” His music seems to reject any strict stylistic classification, and that’s not a bad thing.
David Hurwitz wrote a book about CPE Bach in the “Unlocking the Masters” series a few years ago which I found fascinating. I find Hurwitz to be controversial sometimes, but he is a good writer and I was thrilled to see a 200-plus page book about CPE Bach (and easily accessible without a Doctorate in Music) in a mostly-good series of books about various composers and their music.
This is metal
I don't like Koopman's dynamic scheme in the last movement. Is this really the way they played it back then?
Strings are on 👌
not really feeling the winds.
The first movement sounds like Beethoven.
Actually, it sounds like CPE Bach.
I feel weird for loving so much baroque music.. a lot more than classical (mozart, beethoven..) i find their works kind of boring with all the repetitions. Pls do give me your thoughts and tell me if i'm missing a point. And if you're a classical music fan, just give me some pieces i might like
Ghadi Aoun
CPE Bach (1714-1788), is not a baroque composer; his works mainly fall into the early classical period, though he does continue to use some older baroque techniques sometimes such as basso continuo and ritornello form.
However, the overwhelming majority of CPE Bach’s works are written in the classical genres of the symphony and sonata for example, and he uses modern sonata form; his treatment of material is more in the modern style, not that of his father.
CPE’s music is highly individual, and difficult to classify, but perhaps the best words to check out are empfingsamer Stil, or Empfindsamkeit.
You will understand Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven better if you research ‘sonata form’ in particular, and will therefore understand clearly how the majority of pieces are constructed - the ‘repetitions’ will make more sense.
If you enjoy CPE’s empfindsamer Stil, perhaps the next step would be to try some of the ‘sturm und drang’ works composed by a number of classical composers between 1765 - 1775.
In terms of symphonies:
Haydn 26, 39, 44, 45, 49, 52;
Mozart 25;
any Vanhal minor key work from this period, but in particular g1, g2;
JC Bach Opus 6 No 6;
to name some of the most obvious.
It would also be worth investigating almost all Haydn’s earlier symphonies - unlike Mozart, he had a very musical and discerning, supportive patron in Prince Nicholas Eszterhaza and as a result, the symphonies are of a consistently high standard.
Whilst incredibly varied in style, I would recommend the following Haydn symphonies t begin with:
3, 40, 70 - all with fugal elements;
6, 7, 8; and 13, 72 - the last being badly mis-numbered - it’s an early work;
31, 24 - concertante solo parts;
16, 22, 26, 30, - various contrapuntal interest.
Besides these works, it is worth investigating symphonies by lesser contemporaries such as Beck, d’Ordonez, Michael Haydn, Boccherini (c minor symphony or La casa del diavolo); or something completely different like the composers of the Mannheim school (Stamitz - father and sons, Richter, Holzbauer, Lebrun, Cannabich et al).
Mozart’s earlier symphonies perhaps fall under the main part of your criticism, whilst very beautiful, it is really only 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40 and 41 that are played regularly at concerts - these are almost all later works than those listed above; the earlier ones are generally less interesting than those of Haydn, who was fortunate in this respect, as Mozart was stuck with the Archbishop of Salzburg!
Forget Beethoven as a ‘Classical’ composer; whilst often listed in this category, apart from a few early works, he clearly belongs to the next age - I normally refer to him as post-Classical.
Hope all that helps; Google or RUclips some of the suggestions, you might drop onto something that appeals to you personally - there’s some great stuff out there.
Boring? You gotta be kidding. Try Mozart's Jupiter Symphony Don Giovanni or his Requiem just to name a few. And Beethoven well pretty much everything from the Eroica Symphony to the Emperor Concerto to His Late Piano Sonatas and Quartets to the Missa Solemnis. Believe me after listening to all that you'll feel like you entered Ali Baba's cave !
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