4 knives I should like… but don’t
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
- Not hating on the knives or companies. They are just not for me
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You called it on the Mora sharpening thing, it's 'easy' for people who suck at sharpening. It's the old effort vs skill dichotomy- if they suck at sharpening then a Mora might be the only knife they can get a decent edge with, and they'd waste more effort on something else only to ruin it.
ironically I just got a Helle with not quite flat scandi bevels and a microbevel/ secondary edge. turning that true scandi by hand has been a grind...
All Mora's got a tiny secondary bevel (except the carving line which are zero ground). They explain it well on their website.
There is a reason I never bought the war bowie and have never pulled the trigger on the Buck. Always liked them, but knew not to buy them
Just like when my father told me not to do something as a child. I had to learn it on my own 😂
8:31 theyre simply saying theres more wiggle room, also its easier to
Find the angle, like you said.
Well, I own 2 of the 4 shown here in your video; the Frontiersman and the Garberg (14C28N version) and I agree with you 100%! 👍Thanks for sharing, take care and Cheers!
Thank you. Love the new logo
@@peterbiltknifeguy Thanks buddy! 😁
1:10 im in the deep south so i edc all kinds of large fixies lol 😆 one of my fav daily abusers is my Buck 119
All Buck knives are hollow grind. It's their signature grind. By the way, I don't like Ferraris because they're crappy cars for grocery shopping.
Agreed, and I'm not a Scandi fan or a convex edge fan, both are a pain to sharpen especially in the field to me on a rock in an emergency.
Buck Frontierman and Mora Garberg is enough for me to do everything ! 💪😍
You’re not alone regarding Buck knives.
It’s controversial but I’m not a fan.
Some of them are ok, but they don’t do anything at all for me.
Good stuff brother 👊🏻
Thanks Tim.
@@peterbiltknifeguy
You’re welcome!
I agree about the Buck, a knife that big named a frontiersman with a thin hollow grind is an abomination. Hollow grinds alone is an abomination lol imo. I also agree with what you're saying about sharpening and the scandi grind. Most people say convex grinds are hard for people to sharpen but to me they're the easiest and simplest.
Thank you. Yes. Absolute abomination lol
I like Tops blades but their handles have the worst ergonomics for my hand of any knife brand. I'm sure there's some guy out there they fit like a glove, but it ain't me. I use Moras as shed and work station knives, to ensure there's always a knife handy and to keep other people from abusing my better knives. I'm not a fan of their more expensive models, because once they get up to the Garberg pricing there are a lot of better knives for that cost (Terava, Joker, etc). With Morakniv, how you feel about sharpening it depends on if you treat it as a Scandi grind or sharpen the micro bevel that almost all Moras come with (except the wood carving series).
I tend to end up convexing scandi grinds either accidentally or on purpose, if on purpose I convex the whole grind, making it a scandi-vex, it leaves a stronger edge and it’s still good at wood carving, just about all of my fixed blades are either fully convexed or the edge is convex, even my kitchen knives.
I convex everything too
Scandi-vex is definitely the way to go if you can manage
Funny, both the esee 6 and prather were a nope for me too
I like Esee, and I think the 5 should be like the others and not as thick.
Yes. Agree. Check this out. It’s exactly what I said
ruclips.net/video/P6x33uYN7oI/видео.htmlsi=3Ui7SA_wYKBkLEAI
I found out about the single bevel sharpening problem a while back. This video is now my reference one to explain the scandi / single bevel issue. Thank you for the explanation.
I’m glad it came across that way. I suck at explaining stuff lol
@@peterbiltknifeguy You did great. Definitely earned a new subscriber. Look forward to more great videos.
Awesome. And thank you 😊
Every so often I come across a knife I cant get an edge I like on. I send it through a Smiths keychain sharpener and call it a day. I have a nice case fillet knife thats the only way I can get it sharp…. Nice video. The Frontiersman is as a Buck should be, a 420 razor. We can die on this hill disagreeing with each other.
I’ve never been a mora fan and because people harp on me about it I’ve made it a point not to review one now lol. One I do like a lot for the money and I think you would like it is the Terava Jaakaripuuko 140. It’s not a true Scandi but I actually like it better.
I’ve looked at them. I’ll get one eventually
Ill take that Esse 6 😂. I could use it. Tops are hit or or miss with quality control. Mora makes me wanna pull my fu#$ing face off...
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I feel the exact same way about the Esee 6, I thought I was crazy!
I agree, but I get why the newer knife crowd raves about them. They took an old highly successful design, gave it a better fit and finish and great heat treat. But as you gain EXPERIENCE your preferences also change and the plain stuff is still good it's just ...plain.
you can sharpen the scandi with eyes closed vs keeping an eye and a steady hand to maintain the correct angle while sharpening a knife with a micro bevel. It's not a matter of how much material is removed, it's based on skills. It takes more skill/technique to sharpen a micro bevel than a scandi.
So an amateur in sharpening has a better chance to get a scandi grind sharp than a micro bevel.
Lol. That’s kinda what i said. I was being a smart you know what in the video
Respect!
Thank you 😊
My svord von tempsky Bowie the bevels on both side are at 9% angle, and today i hand grounded that to put my own perfectly flat finish on it, and to see any imperfection in the factory grind, was putting a mirror polish on it, got bored took it off... I done all of my hand grinding on a 8 inch aluminum oxide water stone... imagine taking the 9% bevels to a high grind 7% convex down to a 11% zero ground convex edge... convex the grind right underneath the N.Z. down to a zero grind, i could get a 1x30 it's only 40$ for one at harbor freight right, I drew up two to size picture of the cross section to compare the two using a caliber, i got purple on my svord von tempsky Bowie, and today I experienced homemade stropping compounds, made from the slurry i wiped off my knife 😊 and I had to establish a plunge grind on the 9° bevel to plunge inward
Awesome
All those blades you dislike….I’ll take them! 🤣😂
Lol
Free just changes things...
Some of my favorite knives are Bucks. Not the phenolic handled "classics" like the one you're holding, but like the 632, the GCK and the Thug. The Hoodlum was awesome. Or even the new Compadre. Some of the best US knives ever made in my opinion. And I agree about the Mora! Awesome video! ✌🏼
This one is micarta
@@peterbiltknifeguy I didn't know they put micarta on those! I like Bucks newer designs more, like when they were collaborating with Ron Hood and Tops. THOSE were awesome knives.
The budget Moras are great, but they have no clue when it comes to making higher end knives.
YOU DON'T LIKE THE ESEE 6!!! AAAAAAHHHHHH! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!?! 😲
I totally agree. I've owned a couple 3's (still have a 3 HM) and a Junglas 2. The middle ground blades often seem useless to me, as a guy who carries more than one cutting tool outdoors.
Bucks, at this point, are, IMHO, mostly nostalgically valued - riding on customer loyalty and legacy.
(And I do not like a stock garberg, either. I convexed mine. Still "meh".)
I couldn’t agree more my friend. The esee is a good knife. Just doesn’t suit my needs
Yep, I think that's about right, I don't like any of those knives either. Lol I only have one knife that I regret buying.
What one is that
@peterbiltknifeguy it's a MKM Terzuola design fixed blade, the knife looks cool as hell, but the handle has these weird ridges running through it and after a bit it's uncomfortable in bare hands
Knock the edges down on the war bowie. I filed points down on a Microtech socom bravo mini fixed blade.
And you're right, the more material removed takes longer. I'd micro bevel it a degree or two steeper and make it go by a lot quicker.
Fun! I always appreciate honesty from the "gut level." I've shared with you in the past that I had practically had the Prather in my shopping cart when your initial reviews were published helping me to put the brakes on. I want to really like my purchase as opposed to regretting it. And, as with anyone's opinion, it's perfectly fine to agree to disagree. [The old "Mary Ann vs. Ginger" debate.] Personally, I really like my Garberg & Essee 6. I'm on your side on the other two. Keep this mix of videos in your quiver-good stuff!
Awesome. I agree. Thank you
I can see your point on Garberg. I prefer cheaper Moras, plus not a big fan of scandi grinds. I have a couple of moras that were modified by Baryonyx knife company into full flat grinds. Cut way better that way in my opinion
I believe you
Baryonyx is a great company / dude. He's been on the Bushcraft USA forums for a decade or more now.
@@LoreTunderin yup and I like how he adds special grade to his products. He thinned down a TOPS machete for me also.
ohhh ouch the buck actually warped thats bad
Yes. And I got it on video too. It was bad
Yes, i do agree with everything you have said. Especially with the scandi stuff. They are absofick-n-lootly harder and more time consuming to sharpen. Your not missing the boat here. I remember watching a video of a bushcrafter dude showing how to touchup a scandi edge on a window edge of a car and other various things. The moment someone tries some of those things they've lost there true scandi edge and now have a secondary edge. Scandi based knives and blades are not worth the effort to me, especially when it comes to sharpening. I have one scandi knife left and haven't used it in years. Tips broke, edge chips, the sharpening part, too small for real work, handle is too round, they are so limited. They are good at carving wood and that's it. Might as well just carry a pocket knife. Awesome video. I like videos like this that are a rant/if only I'd known better, stuff. They usually bring up a point and/or help us be more aware of something.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
If you ever wanna get rid of that buck 124 let me know
But it’s jacked up
@@peterbiltknifeguyit gives it character makes it looks even better
Okay, so the 124 is no good for chopping or battoning wood. But, as a Knife, it is very good. I suspect that back in the day, I knife of this size was quite useful in gutting and skinning buffalo. And all over camp chores, requiring a knife. As for the steel. Buck has been using the 420HC since 1992, and I think they have it figured out. The one big problem I had when I bought it. Was the price. It is way over priced, but then again, most of the 100 series of Buck Sheath knives are a tad on the pricey side. Do I like mine, yes very much so. Will I ever use it. Who knows when I might have to gut and skin a buffalo or a cow :) Oh, the one problem I actually have with the 124, is how squared off the handle is. One of these days, I will round off the corners. But that is not a hard thing to do.
Fair enough. And it definitely shouldn’t be much more than 120 dollars
People say scandi grinds are easy to sharpen because it's easier to get the angle for it since you can feel it rest on the stone right
That’s kinda what I thought.
Not a fan of architect knives because of their skeletonized handles
It’s definitely not my favorite aspect.
Well you know what they say. If it walks like a duck… Haha!👊😂🤘
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The buck 124 in even a slightly better steel (like 14c28n) and a plain saber grind with the guard sheared off where it meets the handle would be fantastic, a flat or convex might be nice, too (and a lot less ricasso). The angle is easy to hold on a scandi, at least ;)
Thangle? Wow Scandi a buck would be a hell of a meat slicer
@@ryanwalker1825 The angle. typo. I don't think 420hc is a good idea for a scandi
What a thought provoking video. Typically for me when a knife doesn't perform like I hoped it would...I've over stressed the boundaries of it's intended design. Almost always this has been my fault! Lol
Agree on the ESEE-6 and the Mora Garberg, the other two I don’t own. Thanks for a nice video!
Thanks for watching!
I do agree Moras are harder to sharpen
I’ve got the opposite problem. I’ve got a knife that I keep trying to hate and replace but it keeps out performing all my knives in the 6”-7” middle weight class. I’m not into the Tacti-Cool or Tanto blades, but my old Cold Steel Warcraft 7” in 3V would still be my SHTF knife.
Lol. Sometimes you just can’t quit it
What you think is Cool and what really works isn’t always the same...
@@dlrmon1 so true
My SHTF knife is the svord von tempsky Bowie, it doubles as a wrecking stick...
@ryanwalker1825... Lol...Ya, I have “Big Bowie’s” imprinted in my caveman brain too...
I’m with you on this one, I have a BK10 with the ramp ground to flat with micarta scales is it pretty no is it high end no but it works for me and that’s all that matters if it works for you then their is nothing wrong with it and next time I go out I’ll make sure I pack an extra ruck sack for just wood splitting tools
Wow! That War bowie is Sic!! Sucks that it was warped!! i can see your point though. Buck may never upgrade there steel on there bigger knives. and they will probably never get rid of there hollow grind. but they still work for me. I know you hard use them more than most people for sure! Great Video Peter! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you. And thank you for the respectful comment.
I don’t care for the Buck or Tops but the 6 is my favorite Esee and I like my Garbergs,I never sharpen scandi grinds I just strop them.
The Esee 6 is a great “Jack of all Trades” knife...
Wow.
I really respect that you being an esse guy can say when you don't like a knife from a brand you love. 💯👍
I am really surprised at that mora.
I can see the accidents waiting to happen. 😬
Thanks man. That’s what I started the channel for. To say my truth. Because this stuff isn’t one size fits all
Unrelated to the knives you talked about, but have you heard about Flissa knives? They're a budget brand on amazon and the one I've been particularly interested in is just called the "FLISSA 9" Fixed Blade Knife." Its got D2 steel, a scandi grind, pretty thick blade stock, and its only 20-25 bucks depending on which handle material you get (g10, micarta, or wood). I don't have one yet, but I think I'm gonna be getting one soon. Anyway, I just noticed you don't have a video on it and figured you might be interested. Been enjoying the vids, keep it up 👍.
I’ll take a look. Thank you
Its funny how things pike this worknout. all good looking blades but I can understand. Its like Glock. I just dont like them. Nothing really wrong with them, i just don't like the feel and function.
Thank you
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Haha just purchased a Mora Bushcraft black..Wish me luck..
That’s definitely a better one. I should have gotten that one
Alot of folks are going to be animated on this one....LOL....I can see a few folks already are willing to take on these knives you don't care for....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....Nice list for you but you should have an hydraulic splitter, hatchet, axe, and also a few knives to get it done on the trail....😂😂😂😂.....Good stuff.....
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Yeah me too i dont like a lot my esee 6 . Its not a real big knife . Esee need to make a bigger 5
Hey, I’ll take your s6 if you don’t want it!!!!?!?
The esee?
@@peterbiltknifeguy yeah sorry AutoCorrect lol
How old are you?
@@peterbiltknifeguy im 14 I was just joking, kind of
Lol. If you were 18 I would send it your way
You never ONCE name WHICH Mora that is... FAIL!
It’s a good thing nobody pays me to do this right
Man i tried and i tried to find a way to make a funny comment on this video . But it seemed you were so serious like you wanted to throw these knives away. If you look outside your shop i have placed a trash can with a shipper and locking lid.
😂😂lmao tried to be serious but cant help myself.
Lol
I mean…..you clearly like “big chopping knives”! That’s your thing isn’t it. Not sure what your realistic expectations were? Of course, they’re yours, and you’re free to dislike them, without owing an explanation as to why. I only ask, because this video comes off as, these blades aren’t very good( and I’d agree regarding the Bowie…terrible attempt at the Bowie design!)
That wasn’t my intent. They are all good knives.
I didn't get that vibe at all. It came across as knives he wanted to love but found flaws with. The ESEE 6 for example, the length is nice but normally you'd want some heft on a blade that long to facilitate chopping, whereas it's too thin and light to chop very well. Sure it's slicey, but the only time you really need a long slicer is in the kitchen, otherwise you're better off with a shorter blade to give you finer control (which you get with an ESEE 3 or 4).
@@LoreTunderin thank you. You’re exactly right
No "Frontiers men" worth there salt, would have used a knife to chop wood with. That is what a hatchet, tomahawk or belt axe was and still is for. Because they did not want to damage their knife. Do some research into what the men of the Lewis and Clark Expedition carried. I have and they all carried at least three knives, and a hatchet or belt axe. Right tool for the job.
I still don’t like it. I honestly don’t care what frontiersman did. It’s 2024 lol. I can just not like the knife
We aren’t frontiersmen, we have better steel and thicker blades, most of the frontiersmen used trade knives which aren’t much different from kitchen or butcher’s knives, which aren’t good at chopping anyway. I don’t think Danial Boon would carry an axe in his travels if he had the steels we have now. It’s fine if you want to be nostalgic I have great respect for many of those guys.
Those 'frontiersmen' also didn't have access to modern tool, spring or powdered steels like CPM-3V, and the heat treatments were questionable if they existed at all. They HAD to take care of their knives because they were just as likely to break or rust away if they were abused in any way. Nowadays there's no excuse for a knife not standing up to batonning kindling if it's large and marketed to outdoorsmen.
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Your over thinking the moral dude..its not hard to sharpen
Nobody said it was lol. But the physics of removing more steel doesn’t make it easier like most people think
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