When Lebron loses it’s everyone else’s fault but when he wins a championship he is the only reason even when other players really are the ones that come through from start to finish.
I still don’t forgive Ray Allen for betraying KG and Pierce when he joined the Heat… he left bcuz he said he wasn’t willing to come off the bench, than came off the bench to the Heat! 😑
when you are good you will tell everyone, when you are great everyone will tell you. The fact he has to announce it proves how mentally insecure he is.
What’s funny is he won the series in 7 games and called himself the goat. If you swept them then I could give you a pass but winning a chip barely in a game 7 because the other team couldn’t hit a shot to save their life doesn’t equal goat.
Larry Bird in an interview was asked who would you take to play with LeBron or Kobe. Bird replied if I want to have fun I’ll take LeBron. If I want to win games I’ll take Kobe
Hes getting paid to play a game! It is just basketball, just like my job is just work. Family is way more important. You say this quote by LeBron like its a negative when he is still playing at a high level, still is in tiptop shape, and has been doing it longer than hes been alive! I dont think yall actually get it
His time in LA has really hurt his legacy , he was thought of as great player , but since coming to LA, he has acted like a overgrown child , from his tearing up the team , to always having to have better players around him, to getting coach's fired , and never accepting any responsibility for the teams failures or lack of success .
His legacy has been tainted since that meltdown in the Finals against Dallas. He's acted like an overgrown child for most of his career. He actually came across more mature in his first few seasons than he is in his 30's lol.
But LeBron has always given up on defense and has always thrown tantrums and has always quit on his teams. The media has just been able to ignore it and distract everyone from talking about it
He's also not entirely a "nice guy". He is also heavily involved in team management in a way players aren't supposed to be. He can smile at you and high-five you while getting you traded or fired.
@richgreene5038 Nah, Being aggressive IS the quality you need from the GOAT, not being passive aggressive. MJ demanded the best, Lebron runs away and then points fingers in interviews but never directly.
I had Bron #7 because I mistaking believed he was skilled at basketball. But then I started watching him play instead of just hearing the mainstream media talk about his stats. He can’t score without traveling, carrying, and committing offensive fouls. And it has been that way his entire career. The NBA just changed the rules specifically for Lebron because it would be embarrassing if Lebron kept losing possession from his clumsy lack of fundamentals. He would be a bum in the 90s. He is Basically Scottie Pippen, on PEDs that keep him unnaturally healthy. Even his longevity is a fraud. He is now in my top 15 because even Hakeem’s 2 rings, gotten legitimately, are worth more than all the rings the league helped Lebron get. Lebron has been playing his entire career with the most help than any player in history. The real superteam is the refs ignoring his cheating, and the league ignoring his drug use and stat padding. He is a disgrace to the game and is a perfect representative of this narcissistic, entitled generation, that lacks integrity and would sell their soul for either money, or social media likes. Lebron James is not only bad at basketball and bad for basketball. He is everything wrong with basketball today and a perfect representative of everything wrong with today’s weak-willed, pampered, spoiled, entitled generation of adult children.
I had him at #13 next to Dirk a few years ago and now I regret ever saying he was top 15. All of his rings are either fraudulent or earned on superteams. He constantly feels the need to be crowned the goat by others and the media and it shows in him trying to go back and retroactively explain away every criticism of his game (podcasts, barber shop talks, etc.) Its sad to see because I really felt like he was supposed to be the chosen one and now it just feels empty because he was never those things when I started appreciating the game more than the product of the NBA.
I feel the same way. The more I appreciate the beauty of the game, the lower I rank Lebron’s greatness because of how he cheats it. He is a disgrace to the game of basketball. It is telling of the character of this generation that many respect him as a top 5 player, despite his lack of real skill and legitimate accomplishments.
Back in 2018, my coworkers (mostly younger guys mind you) used to always push the LBJ narrative and swear he was the goat. I had not to long before switched from Sling TV to RUclips TV and was recording the games but rarely watching them if they weren't live. One day after a whole shift of "he beat the Warriors" this and "MJ could never" that, I just randomly clicked on a game in my DVR recordings and simply watched LBJ from play to play. What I witnessed changed the way I've looked at LBJ from that day to this one.... I went back to work only reported what I observed and got the biggest backlash. I was a hater, an old head ect. I've known LBJ's play style for this long: his defense is at best lackadaisical and will play defense for highlight purposes more times than not. His shot selection is patterned for stats and rarely makes a difference in actual winning. He has no mid range go to move which, for a goat, is unheard of. Free throws is one color of his kryptonite, the other is actual defense against him. I could go on..but I dare anyone who reads this to pick a random game from LBJ years as a Laker and pick MJ's Wizard years. Show it to your friends. The truth of the two are written in the plays.
The thing that made me sour on LBJ is when he was in Cleveland against the Celtics. They lost that series and he just gave up. This was when people knew he was leaving.
He's never been an all time top 5 player, ever! The media has been pushing this narrative for a minimum of 18 years! There's literally nothing that would ever put LeBron on the level of the true all time greats. Olajuwon, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq etc etc etc etc etc
@@mike04574 Uh yeah, Shaq, Wilt and Kobe are considerably better than LeBron and it's not even close. LeBron is in season 21 and still isn't even top 30 all time in rebounds as a 6'8, 250lb forward... 1 scoring title and 1 assists title in 21 seasons and nothing else. The guy is just mediocre
Exactly. I have no idea why he said that in the video. LeBronze would rather throw a teammate under the bus than speak even cordially about them nevermind highly praising them...
He’s the one that wanted Westbrook in the first place, that’s why the roster sucks because Jeanie Buss has no business running a franchise. LeBron tried to get his old buddies again and it failed yet again.
Queen James is so physically gifted that he couldn't help but be good at any sport that he tried but hes so mentally and emotionally weak that he prevented himself from being the GOAT.
Correct!!! He plays football on a basketball court - he doesn’t sound smart when he talks basketball - he sounds like a salesman cause he is selling bullshit. MJ doesn’t have to sell propaganda.
@@JoelKSullivanHe Threw it To The Thrash His Opportunity To Be The Goat Too Late, His Negative Loser Resume Tantrums, Meldowns Narcissism, Petulant Attitude, and To Makes 👉🏾Things W🤫rst, BE A QUITTER Disqualify Him, T🏀 Be Even in My Top 5. Greatest 🏀f All Times... ✍🏾
Bird always my number 2. We wouldnt know what would have happened if he didnt hurt his back. Never in my mind that Lebron ever surpassed Kobe, much more Bird.
Saying it's "just basketball" when you're being paid more than doctors and nurses just shows how entitled he is. It IS just basketball, and he's getting paid to complain about his entitlement
Lebron seems to have never understood the fact that this GAME is actually his JOB. He is paid an absurd amount of money to put his product on the floor. What the hell would people think of a fireman telling you it’s just your house,your picture, your pet, your wife, your child? People are trying to say lebron is the goat WTF. He is just a big guy that has some athletic ability and above average skills and a no heart. His ego is huge but his fight tinny. We all have seen this many times whenever he thinks he can’t succeed in the situation he is in he runs.
I disagree with your interpretation, and my eyes see things differently than yours do. So, whose right and whose eyes are more reliable? Or should we use the "stats test" rather than the "eye test" to be a bit more objective in our analysis?
@@SuperSikarlo and???? Dude just been stat padding since his last championship in a full 82 game season. Kareem played 20 seasons and has six NBA Titles to show for it!
MJ, Bird, Kareem, Magic and Kobe all have legit cases for being the 🐐 and to me Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Dr. J, Steph, Wilt and Hakeem are all time greats who rank ahead of LeBronze.
Kareem is the GOAT and so is Wilt Chamberlain the only thing is I saw the 90s era and worked my way backwards, LeBum James fans aren't willing to put that effort.
@@erikhopkins9488LeFlop son is dyinggg because of Leflop forcing her son to go to NBA despite having some health issues. I wish and hope it will happen and also to you and your family. Cause leFlop is living rent free in your mind even she don't know you.
At least you can admit it. Most people have too much pride to admit lebalco is not in the top 5 . He never had a dynasty . Kobe and Duncan played at the same time both got 5 chips . He wasn't the best in his era .
Lebalco. When that truth comes out it will be the true danger to his legacy. I don’t love his game, but he’s 2 or 3 with me. I prefer Kobe at 2 but Lebron’s longevity is considerable. If the Balco allegations come true it wipes away the most substantial part of his legacy.
They discredit Kobe’s championships bc he had Shaq but give Lebron 100% of the credit when he had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie, Kevin Love…GTFOH
Lebron's biggest legacy is getting fired 7 out of his 8 coaches in his career.And could be 8 out of 8 if Riley listened to him when he wanted Spolstra fired.
Because he’s not here to defend himself… MJ thought Kobe a lot, that’s why even his interviews and guest appearances were so great. Does anybody really want to hear Lebron and his excuses of why he lost, again!? It’s sad that nobody in the Lakers org. Speaks up for him… but I knew once Jerry West left, so did the wisdom and ability to make amazing moves and put things together to make things work. He was the backbone of that Org. Now they have no class and look to sell themselves like a cheap drunk girl in a brothel. (They couldn’t even get the statues right SMH)
@@j-short5431 stats says losing finals record and logic says ducking and skipping games to fake longevity is a bitch made mood. Especially forcing your kid to feed your ego after he had a heart attack. Think up of something better klutz shill.
@@kharis87 😂😂🤦🏾♂️ I know Bro but just the idea of waking up to Rob Pelinka tells LeBron an Klutch to hit the road is still the best news we can have. Now we're gonna trade the few young players we have now to get some washed all-star who will be a scapegoat by December. It's the same song with this fraud every season.
*He said* the reason he "had to learn how to flop" was to get to the line more. And, I'm guessing, by extension, that is also the reason he throws tantrums like a two year old. *And yet* - he has NOT improved his free-throw percentage *at all* to increase the *value* of his getting to that line more often and, thereby, being a greater asset to his team. Any of them. In *20* years! Why should longevity be praised if it isn't used to improve your skills and contributions to your team? In 20 years, he *could* have learned to play the game of basketball with fundamentals and within the rules. Especially if he wanted to be counted among the greats. But, he chose not to.
Id also argue that LeBrenda has never even been the greatest player of his own era. Kobe, Duncan and Steph have all been more dominant during LeRoid's 21 year career
The people who have been saying this for years have been called haters, casuals, and every other name in the book. It’s pretty clear to anyone who has followed the game and doesn’t listen to talking heads on ESPN that LeBron is not even close to top five, and may only be in the top ten simply because of longevity. Even then, that’s questionable.
Character is part of the equation, character, and results when it counts, and in that fashion, to me Lebron isn't even in top 10 for me. I think if you want to talk god fiven talent in regards to pure athletism, then he is no doubt given the gifts to play this game at a level as high as anyone to ever play the game. 6'9", and a solid frame. No doubt his jumping ability is astoundishing for someone of his height. So there is no doubt he was given all the physical tools necesarrily honestly to be the best who ever played. But what has held him back from even making the top 10 is his completely lack of character, his insane entitlement, his flopping, his disrespect for his teammates, and his completely lack of team play. Iman in a video i saw recently was asked to talk about Lebron, and he said something I though was funny. He said that you can know the state of mind that a basketball will have his entire career based on the age and time in their life when they entereed the NBA. For instance, if someone is playing college basketball, when they enter the NBA, that level of mentality is where they are frozen at for the rest of their career. Similar if they come in right out of high school, that is the level at which they approach the game for the rest of their career. And he said that because Lebron entered right out of highschool, that was where he is stuck at. Iman played this game where he tried to indicate that Lebron played as some kind of sevant, and that he wouldn't practice set plays, but instead he would just call out the plays when they are on the court, and Iman said that Lebron didnt' care that the other team heard the position he wanted them in etc. And he tried to say that 'magically' the ball would go exactly where Lebron said. But here is what I think, Iman was giving Lebron an insult, saying that he is stuck at a high school level of maturity, and that he can't play advanced plays, because he isnt' capable of it. Which is why Lebron insists on not practicing set plays, and instead he just gets to call out where he wants people every play, and the rest, whatever happens happens. And if you watch, it's like Lebron has so much clout he forces all these other guys to play like that, and of course that makes them play at a worse level, cause they can't run set plays, and learn how to play a system, etc. And if you watch Lebron he is constantly cluless on defense, because frankly he never learned any advanced ideas about how to play with a team. Where someone like MJ, he came in and learned the triangle system that was Phil Jackson's brain child that he brough to the NBA. And because of this, they could come up with set plays, etc, that didn't require any communcation for them to know who the other players would react in different situations. Where under Lebron all the rest of the team is forced to deal with whatever insanity that Lebron calls for them to do, and of course when it all goes wrong, Lebron blames them, but when it goes right, Lebron claims he is the coach and says he should get all the credit, and the announcers give him that accolade despite the fact that Lebron is a complete negative to any team because he is useless in any system that isnt' just about Lebron getting easy stat padding points... People play worse with Lebron than they play on other teams, that alone is enough for him not only not to be top 10, but to frankly drop him likely even out of the top twenty. I would put guys like The Dream, Shaq, and even guys like Iverson, ahead of Lebron. If you consider the talent that Carter played with, and had to help grow for instance, compared to the super super teams that Lebron has demanded to win. I think just because a player doesn't have rings, doesn't mean they were worse than Lebron. And that is something I find annoying when people give Lebron credit for rings, when he played on teams, that frankly many people could have played on and taken home those same rings if they had played in place of Lebron. LIke Allen Iverson being an example... as well as guys like Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, etc, etc, etc... To me if you picked any of the super teams that Lebron was on during that period when he was winning rings, and it is hard not to see that someone like Barkley, or Allen Iverson wouldn't have just as likely a chance to win that ring as Lebron. Where real goats like MJ, you can't remove MJ from the Bulls and see them have any chance of winning those Championships those years. Without MJ, the bulls had zero chance. Where if you take Allen Iverson, and paired him up with Wade, and the rest of the Heat's insane linely those years, and it is easy to see them still winning the years they won... They might not have won the same number of games, but in the post season, most of those guys I listed about performed more clutch in important games then Lebron did.. so... why Lebron is given so much credit by the media is beyond me...
I don’t know… if u have more loses than Wins in the Finals with Superteams? How can u be considered a Winner… if u can only Win 40% when u have a huge advantage against ur matchups? Isn’t that considered a failure, since u came up short and lost more with the odds in ur favor…
@@siner2442 100% Remember when Lebron was holding up his hands talking about winning 7-8-9 rings when he first joined Wade at Miami. I mean, how can you even continue to claim to be the goat after that moment. And now, to claim that 'you didn't have enough help from the "minimal"s', and that is why you lost, when you literally have tape of you claiming you'd win 9 rings with a team that didnt' even have all the talent you added later as well. The degree of arrogance to say that about your past team mates to me just says everything there is to say about Lebron's character... Remember MJ would say that he needed to play better, and that he fell short, man I miss those days. When as big as ego as MJ had, at least he understood to get those accolades he had to earn it himself... Now we have guys who just expect it to be handed to them like some entitled participation trophy for the "GOAT".... as long as he comes up with enough excuses somehow that should be enough for the world to just give him the title ahead of MJ...
Yeah the fact he didnt threepeat in miami hurts his legacy so bad, and 2011. Idk how anyone ranks him the goat his miami stint shouldve produced a threepeat at least
The way the game has changed, you really can't even compare modern players to the greats. No D and too soft now. ALL modern players would take a hit in stats if transplanted into older eras, whereas most players from past eras would see a bump.
@@dangreene3895 I always laugh when I see someone argue that todays NBA is so much more talented than previous eras, because of the scoring and amount of 3s. Its the lack of defense and fundamentals in this era that make the scoring. IMO, its to make the game exciting, because it hasnt been since MJ retired. Which is also why they push Lebaby as this superstsar. The void of MJ effect
@MichaelCheo-cr6ks Lebron has more longevity AND a higher peak than Kareem. Lebron’s peak was 90% of Jordan’s peak yet has played at that peak for 40% longer, that’s objectively more impressive than Jordan having a slight edge in peak. Lebron has faced more All-NBA, All-Defense, All Stars in the playoffs than Jordan especially in the finals where Jordan’s best competition would be Lebron’s 2nd worst competition. And let’s also ignore how Jordan was favoured 6/6 times in the finals whereas Lebron was favoured 3/10 times. There’s only two possible reasons why: Lebron had less help than Jordan OR the teams he faced were significantly stronger than Jordan’s so either way 🤣🤣
Kobe > Duncan. 7 West titles to 6 West titles. Kobe 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs. Bruce Bowen, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, all Duncan teammates, have stated on the record Kobe was the best player of their era. That's very telling.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Kobe wasn't even the best player with Lakers after Shaq. 7 points a game a rookie didn't start until his 3rd season when Eddie Jones got traded. Kobe never shot 50% in a season, didn't make the playoffs every season, played for 10 different head coaches and only was successful with Phil Jackson.
22ppg on 35/20/69 shooting splits against the Spurs in 2007 along with 4.5 turnovers per game. Scoring just 21 points three games in a row Vs Celtics in 2008 on terrible shooting splits. Blowing a 2-1 lead Vs Celtics in 2010 with a peak 15 point performance on 3-14 shooting in game 5 Complete meltdown in 2011, blown 2-1 lead, outplayed by Jason Terry, scored 8 points in a Finals game whilst being completely healthy Saved by Ray Allen in 2013 Vs Spurs after having 18 points in game 1, 17 points in game 2 and 15 points in game 3 Choked the third time (no charm) against the spurs in 2014. I can see a pattern here Outplayed by KD in 2017 Pretended to have a broken hand in 2018 LOL Failed to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating "playoff mode". Got embarrassed several times, including getting clamped and blocked by Mario Hezonja on a potential game winning isolation play Sent home in the first round in 2021 after being a preseason favourite to win the championship. Didn't make the playoffs in 2022 after having second best preseason odds to win the championship 2023/24 - won 1 out of 13 games against the Nuggets whilst having AD on the team putting up prime Shaq numbers
If he ever was a top 5 player, he decided to stay in the league and beat records using longevity. It backfired as his skill and ability have decreased with age. Breaking records that took 10 seasons to set with 20+ years of playing doesn’t make you better than the real men who set them.
It's like testing put of a class you failed in the last few weeks and passing. Wasn't there the whole time it mattered but comes in last minute to raise the gpa.
This era of basketball hurt Lebron in many ways, the physical of the 80s and 90s made you develop a signature shot or mental endurance but he plowed (traveling!) thru NBA and now your age has caught up with him and still no identity
Angry Old Hoops in the house! 🥳🥳🥳 god bless that man! Well, speak your mind, Sean…I never understood why people apologize when criticizing that guy! 🤷🏻♂️
Lmao ain’t nothing to apologize about it’s all thoughts an opinion’s I mean it’s a lot hate cuz some of y’all have started averaging 13.5 in there 12th season I mean yu gotta still put the work in bums #sorrybutnotsorry
I am a Boston Celtics fan. In 2010 I heard the hype surrounding LeBron. Game 6, I saw him quit during the game. Meanwhile good examples by players to show the heart and drive that Lebron lacks: 1987, Larry Bird steals the Piston's inbound pass, giving the ball to DJ for a score. 1991, Larry Bird returned to a playoff game to lead the Celtics to victory over the Pacers after suffering a broken cheek bone. 1995, Reggie Miller scored 8 points in 9 seconds to lead the Pacers to a playoff victory over the Knicks.
When I saw him quit in the playoffs before leaving for Miami, I lost any respect I had for him as a player. He's only gotten worse over time. It's as easy to see as idk... watching the biggest man on the court flop non stop for loose change from the refs. What a fucking bum, calling yourself the GOAT while begging the refs for fouls and blaming your role players when you lose. Can't even dribble the damn ball, always traveling. Call himself the GOAT. I've seen grade schoolers with more skill than him
U don’t even have to beat Lebron… he’ll just lay down by himself 😂 I couldn’t beleive when him and Wade started faking cramp ups when they were playing the Spurs in the Finals? They had to have an excuse for those old men beating them down and embarrassing them
Jerry Rice had the exact same mentality Kobe does. 2-3 Days after winning a Superbowl, QB Steve Young is at the training facility getting some stuff out of his locker, he looks out on to the field and Jerry Rice is running routes and catching balls. EVEN AFTER WINNING A SUPERBOWL, the off-season started for him. We can take away off the field issues because that's not on the field, you know? But what is on the court/field is your brain and how it's wired. Jordan, Bird, Kobe. KILLERS from day 1 till retirement. They're all in the discussion. Lebron? He's Randy Moss with Jerry Rice's stats. And that's putting it nicely.
Respect the comparison to moss and I can definitely see that. Both physical freaks with a limited bag and relied much on athleticism. What Bron has more than moss was rices stats. But he doesn’t have the heart and the mentality. I’ll add this. MJ and Kobe were fearless. They believed they can beat you every time. If they don’t, they believe they can figure it out and beat you the next time. They weren’t afraid of failure or losing. They believed they would win every time. Bron plays out of fear and it’s because his whole life people told him he’s the best. He had chosen one tattooed right out of high school, he never had to earn it, he was given everything. IWhen you’re told you are the best, you fear that you will lose it. It’s why he never did the dunk contest. He’s afraid what it will mean to his legacy if he loses it. It’s the same reason why he tightens up at the end of games dribbling off his foot, losing the ball out of bounds, or missing free throws. It’s the entitlement generation. It’s also why he seeks the path of least resistance to get his rings.
I think the opposite will happen. They'll look at his career stats and assume he was unstoppable. Only people who watched him play will remember him strutting through a weak conference, folding under pressure, and whining to the refs on every play.
@@Br0seid0n Kids will never rate a player they haven't seen. Just like the Gen-Z undermines Kareem's stats, kids in 2064 will also undermine LeBum's stats. That is the circle of life.
News like this don't surprise me because I've never considered him as a top 20. No way Lebron belongs in the MJ, KOBE, DUNCAN, MAGIC, BIRD, KAREEM, etc league. He's been carried by the Media and the league.
You said the Top 20 you can’t say that he’s done to much but to me there’s no goat there’s best players of their Era. All the All time great had someone that they learned from and looked up to
@@markettspikes2876that’s fine if you want to hold this opinion but if I can be frank, it’s a natural thing in sports to consider the question of who is the greatest to ever play the game. Sports is about competition. Why bother competing if winning isn’t important? Now, if we can agree that trying one’s best in the hopes of winning is what truly matters when we think about competing in a sport; then we must ask what does it take to win enough games to come out on top. When we ponder this question we naturally will think of a list of qualities a team needs in order to be better than the other teams they are playing against. Offense Defense Teamwork Hard work (both in games and between games) Along with these obvious ones there is also other intangibles needed to win championships Never give up mentality And killer instinct are two I can think of off the top of my head. Obviously teams are made up of players and having a player which embodies most if not all of these important aspects of winning would begin to bring that player to the top of the list. It’s this which drives the question about GOAT status. To run away from or ignore this is just dismissive. Sure it may be difficult to compare players from different eras but to pretend like there can’t be someone who was/is/or yet to be the greatest to ever do it is IMO lazy and maybe even hurtful to the core of what sports are about. To work so hard that you might be seen as the greatest to ever do something is a quality in humans which move us forward to achieve great things. Few things demonstrate this as sports can. In conclusion I will say that I welcome greatness and want to see greatness “bettered”. I want to see the now GOAT (whoever that is) to be dethroned (pun intended). With that in mind, I see MJ as the GOAT but am looking forward to seeing a player be greater than he was….. it just isn’t James.
Agree with you Sean! That's why i was shocked when a knowledgeable guy like Stephen A. Smith said that he considers Le Bron the 2nd greatest of all time. Ridiculous!
yeah I was thinking those are Angry Old Hoops clips. Did he give him a shoutout for them in the video, I missed it if he did. Hope he didn't just rip his clips and make a video off of it lol
@@sharvav You cannot compare like that. Antman hasn't had the same number of chances for a title. If you're objective....it is obvious who has the killer instinct and who doesn't.
I was told that I “don’t know ball” by saying that Curry was a better player than Lebron. But I really believe this to be the case. If you put Curry on the Lakers and Lebron on that Warriors team from this past season I would fear that Lakers team with that Curry/AD two man game and I think the Warriors would be a disaster.
I’m 37 I remember about 22-23 years of knowing what I see on the court🤙🏿although I didn’t see the live games of Jordan Larry bird Hakeem I have them all over curry🤙🏿then Kobe Duncan and that’s it💯curry is that dude
Your arguments are on point. Just one objection: He‘s not a nice teammate - at least in an all around way. He‘s complaining about his own teammates multiple times every game for situations resulting of his own lack of defence. That’s disgusting to watch.
I used to be a big Lebron fan but every since he joined the Lakers he's been rubbing me off the wrong way. Getting coaches fired, not getting back on defense, walking out on your teammates when the game isn't over yet, throwing temper tantrums at the coach, then making that comment when he said "It's just basketball" but you getting coaches fired and dudes trying to make a career in the league really made me lose a lot of respect for him.
@@georgeleon3724 I got lebum at 1,989th place on my all time greatest ever list. I got 1,988 players in front of him on my all time greatest player list.
It's not just about the stats. It's about how you show up in the big moments when it matters. He doesn't. His teammates bailed him out. Irving, Allen, Wade.
An Jordan ain’t get bailed out before by Kerr sound like hate treatment smh it’s called a basket ball TEAM 🤷🏾🤦🏾♂️ this man game is past first then score
Your right its a team game. But Jordan wasnt bailed out by Kerr. Bulls werent about to be eliminated and Jordan up to a point led the Bulls and series. unlike the Bulls and Jordan, LeBron had Wade who led games when James could not and Allen hit a huge shot for them to not be eliminated and ultimately win. @mookbaby6751
@@mookbaby6751 When Kerr took the shot following MJ's play and assist, the score was 86-86, and the Bulls were winning 3-2. Worst-case scenario: overtime in the United Center, with possible Game 7 again in Chicago as the format was 2-3-2 then. When Allen took the shot after the missed shot by LeBron, the Heat was losing 95-92 and 3-2.
LeBron skilled basketball player? You got that wrong, all the guy does is basic dunks from under the rim with todays 0 defense. Pretty much open dunks.
The difference between Bird & Kobe is they played injured and Lebron couldn't because it was too hot. Magic & Bird will always be tied for 1 because they saved the league.
I’ve never seen that Kobe interview after dropping the series. That’s how i’d expect a professional athlete to answer. Lebron is how i’d expect a highschooler to answer.
He's not even top 10, and if he doesn't retire soon, his antics and toxicity may not even put him in the top 20 of all time. Few players in sports history have damaged a league like lebron has
0:50 Anyone who had Lebron James Top 5 ALL TIME simply was FOOLED by the media propaganda of BSPN at least you admit you were wrong….honestly he's barely top 10
The GOAT has to be SUPER-ELITE IN ALL THREE GOAT categories: 1) PRODUCTION, 2) LEADERSHIP, 3) COMPETITIVENESS (including clutch factor) Lebron is a great producer with great longevity (though probably chemically enhanced), but he gives poor leadership and he's an average competitor at best.
@@afb8370 No doubt, but winning is the result of the other three and if there's a much better team in the league during your peak it's hard to punish a guy for that. A lot of great players didn't get titles in the nineties - Miller, Malone, Ewing, Stockton, Barkley and there are others.. Also, non-great players can win titles if they have the right people to carry them.
10:35 LeBron throws his teammates under the bus all the time. He just threw his own kid under the bus - he got the ESPN made for TV moment he wanted then shipped his kid out.
To me, his poor treatment of teammates by digging it, giving up and blaming others makes him a poonsniff. Dude would have gotten a beat down in the 80s.
Couldn't agree more, Sean. I have him at #10. 1. Kareem and Michael 3. Bird 4. Duncan 5. Magic 6. Bill 7. Kobe 8. Shaq 9. Hakeem 10. Lebron 11. Wilt 12. Steph
I’d honestly switch place with curry and bron. Bron maybe more eye catching, but they literally built an all time team naturally around Steph. Sure KD contributed a lot, but KD is just a piece. Steph was the foundation.
he's not the GOAT or 2nd GOAT. He's likely not even the greatest player of his generation. Steph Curry has more nba titles, and he clearly CHANGED THE GAME. This current generation, history is going to show he was the best player of this generation. Tim Duncan is higher on the GOAT list (he's not the greatest, but he's greater than LeBron. How any titles did Duncan win?..nuff said).
Non debatable. All of Jordan accomplishments came in 11½ playing seasons in Chicago besides an all-star in Washington? Until a player comes an take the NBA by storm an pass him in accomplishments in a similar time frame his spot at #1 is safe.
@@jrr3787Wilt Chamberlain 2 championships, in playoffs his numbers dropped to 22 PPG this is the mighty unstoppable Wilt Chamberlain, why? How? 22 PPG? But wait, finals more interesting 18 PPG. Man if you don't go have a seat somewhere. Wilt Chamberlain is actually version of early LeBron those 2 are very similar. Underwhelming in the biggest moments. The only reason Wilt is top 10 is he was on 2 of the 1st greatest teams ever the 67 Sixers an the 72 Lakers where they had 67 & 69 wins. When the playoffs an Finals start great players play goes to a completely higher level. 30 PPG to 22 PPG to 18 PPG. Keep your excuses and he had the great Jerry West as a teammate. And he played in a era where the players voted for MVP an even they knew Bill Russell was the best 5X they decided this. Dude said Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq won twice as much championships as Wilt. Unbelievable
@@CalebG002Are we talking greatest player ever or greatest "playoff player ever?" Wilt was on crappy teams most of his career and was triple teamed constantly in the playoffs. Wilt had so many people hanging off his jersey, he couldn't have waved to the crowd. By your logic, the 2nd greatest player ever is Sam Jones. What is "unbelievable" is your willful ignorance. It's okay to be ignorant, but not to remain so purposely.
One of the biggest things is = What did that player do with the Talent around him? In this case, NO PLAYER in history played with more already made All-Star players than Lebron!!! So did he win the most Titles All Time? Did he even win more than players of his generation? NO, so he FAILED even with all that talent. Give other players that never won, like Sir Charles all of lebron's teammates and what happens???? Give Ewing all those Star players and???? Now give lebron Ewing's teammates and what happens??? Lebron FAILED. He's Top 15 at best.
@@projoebiochemBecause LeBalco only knows one way to play and isn't coachable. Watch how the Lakers play differently and as a team when the offense doesn't have to run through him. Then the defensive end falls apart 4v5 (except for the refs). That's why his teammates's stats take a drop when they team up with him: it's his way or free agency.
@@projoebiochem -- Great Point! One of the biggest LIES about lebron = He makes his teammates better! lol!! YEAH RIGHT!!! If that were true, he would MAKE All-Star Players out of average players. That doesn't happen. Instead of that, he needs ALREADY MADE All-Star players that he makes WORSE!!! lol!!! Why? Because he will not give up what he lusts the most, his STATS!!! If he truly cared about winning Titles, he'd play more like a Magic Johnson type player. But... that never happened.
The last time Lebron lost a playoff series to a team that didn’t have a better supporting cast to their best player than him was 2011 Lol stop acting like he had these amazing teams and lost to worse teams that isn’t the case at all
@@Eggingyolked Remember that, for the most part James has picked his major supporting cast, at least since he went to Miami. So, if his team has been weaker, and I disagree with that assessment, it is a combination of James preferred choices for teammates, what draft capital the team has to burn to meet his requests, and the limited role he allows other players because of his slowdown, ball-dominant style.
He's not an athlete. He's an actor playing the role of a professional basketball player in LA, the home of HOLLYWOOD, where everything is fake and scripted. He's been in the role since high school, the very game has changed to accommodate his role.
Being great is not only about winning. It is also how you take the losses. MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird they all lost but they took it as great as they were. Lebron is not like that at all.
@@mightymochi6320 I’m talking about mainstream media. It’s almost like people don’t want to touch the narrative he might not be the goat. The guy is always quitting on plays. He didn’t give a shit the entire regular season. I don’t hear anything from espn. I don’t hear the popular nba podcasts talking about it. People cover for him. The mainstream is the echo chamber. Pay attentikn
Balanced and insightful. I have no rebuttal. Jordan,Magic, Bird or Kobe would have never acted like LeBron. No Defense and flopping? I can't imagine MJ flopping!!😂
When he got drafted, I was seriously excited, thinking about what he could bring to the game, and for the first few seasons I had those expectations. Well, it all went down the drain, when he went to Miami. Soon after, the flopping and exceptions in his favour started, and it just grinded my gears. Instead of working on his game, he worked on the media. Now my hopes are on ANT-man!
I couldn't agree more! It's hard to believe that I was actually rooting for this dude during his first stint in Cleveland. In hindsight, branding himself as 'The Chosen One' should've been a giant red flag. Blessed be the day this clown finally retires and the NBA can start the healing process from this cancer.
The little things mean the most in life and sports. A real leader doesn’t point the finger or make excuses. A 39 year old man acting like the 8 year olds I coach and then speaking like them is blasphemy and can in no way qualify him as a goat in this game. Great video.
Exactly. If I was the coach and he pitched that little child tantrum i don't care who he is and how much he gets paid i would have taken his a-- out of the game and beached him for the remaining of the game and had a man to boy conversation to let him know who's the coach and who the player is . I know that I would have lost my job but at least I would have shown the NBA that I don't care who he is and that he doesn't like it he can go somewhere else and play . These coaches never stood up to him better yet let him be the coach- player then when things go wrong who does he has to blame then . Darvin Ham Lebron did you a big favor and now you don't have to be around a cancer that's killing his own teammates and the Lakers organization
This channel was my gateway to basketball on RUclips. I turned up my nose when Kobe was raised up as the next Jordan but he definitely earned my respect. When LBJ came around I was excited to see what the third iteration of MJ would be like. I drank the kool-aid at first too, but especially the last several years he's shown that he just doesn't have "it". He's not that guy. All that to say, I agree with you and thank you for your honesty. I know that a lot of us have gone through the same realization. Keep up the great work, man! (And I'm glad I'm not the only one watching AOH around here)
9:36 he is not one of the most skilled basketball players of all time. He doesnt play defense, he travels, he plows people over, he turns the ball over all of the time, he flops, and he creates super teams.
He is preserving his emergy for offence. So he plays hardly any defence. Even on offence, sometimes he doesn't move much because he is tired and preserves his energy for scoring. If another player did the same thing, they would lose a spot on the team.
Shout out to Angry old Hoops fan . That dude has some great shots n clips of Lebron n his shenanigans. Shout out to you as well my man. Longtime viewer of your content . I really respect your takes and look on the NBA.
@@kcmet79 fucking eh . Wish his stuff would hit more of the masses . I feel like a crazy person talking to Lebron fans when I say he's not really that good of a basketball player . The dude lacks skill. He gets a lot of help from officials to hide that fact . Hell of an athlete for sure ,but he's not a top 5 NBA player .
Great Commentary and overview. Where is the Lebron James impact, in the 60s it was Russell, in the 70s it was a combination of teams, in the 80’s it was Bird and Magic, in the 90’s it was Mj, in the 2000s it was Duncan, Kobe and Shaq, and from 2014 to 2022 it was the Warriors. The man has never dominated a era, nor created a dynasty and absolutely none of his championship teams is in the top 5 of the greatest assembled teams in NBA history. The common denominator for the top five through eight of the greatest players in NBA history was the winning, passion, team play and yes my friend coachability. Mj separated himself because he was special is why he is the GOAT. Lebron James lacks coachability, team play and the burning passion it takes to be great.
It's doubly unacceptable and 'penalized' if you're the 'leader of the team' and 'in the GOAT discussion'. His lack of effort, hustle, his pouting, and complaining is simply unacceptable.
@@upfulsoul826hes not a savant he was jus bigger and athletic that doesn't make u kno the game in and out. Give me his size and u would've seen a savant.
every team needs to downgrade their players to accomodate LeSystem, Dwade was better scorer but became a set up guy, Bosh and Klove did post work but became mid range shooters so LeBulldozer can do his patented drives and rebound padding. Today DLo cant play PG because LeBird has anointed himself as 'great passer'
Travelling, carrying the ball, double dribbling, flopping, illegal screens, offensive fouls with his arm. You name it, he does it. Multiple times per game, every game.
This is pretty much the exact argument Ive given for years. Im sorry, if you get demoralized and basically give up in the middle of the game or if you half-a$$ it, youre automatically disqualified from the GOAT debate,
yeah MJ never cared anything business related . especially if you ignore all of his side deals with mcdonalds, nike, various commercials, space jam, owning an nba team, being an executive or anything like that. he definitely didn't care about personal stats either.
Michael Jordan is artwork . ... Kobe is artwork also... LeBron is basketball , just basketball!and of the 450 NBA players, few are artists, poetry in motion... Most are players, good and bad players, but there are few artists....LeBron is a 21st century player where the advantages and evolution of human science means that someone, who treats themselves and takes care of their body, can have a longer career. And if LeBron at this "advanced" age still plays, why doesn't he have more titles than Jordan?
You can compare effort and work effort of old man Jordan and old James. Before Jordan retired, he was still putting up decent numbers and guys half his age were worried about turning on his Air Jordan ego. Jordan, meanwhile, getting black stuff drained from his knee during half time. Jordan was physically toast, but the man is competitiveness. LeBron...?
@@noneyabizz8337 LeBron is a 21st century player where the advantages and evolution of human science means that someone, who treats themselves and takes care of their body, can have a longer career. And if LeBron at this "advanced" age still plays, why doesn't he have more titles than Jordan?
@@goncalosilvapereira6790 modern players do not go after the ball like they use to, check Rodman replays. And LeBron removes himself from games and as you can see here, often expends no effort. That alone will preserve a body, he's no more special than any other top tier athlete.
LeBron is a pampered diva with a high school education, and from what I heard a pretty low SAT score. You mix those both, I’m not surprised he can’t articulate his responses well and acts like a spoiled child who can’t take accountability.
If he had followed up his 4th quarter collapses against the 2011 mavericks with not just a few championships on stacked teams, but with becoming a really tough, savvy veteran who gives it his all on both ends of the court until his latter years I’d have a lot of respect for him even with him not being in the goat discussion above MJ. But the way he has become this guy over the past 6-7 seasons who sits out 25-30 games a season, doesn’t get back on or gives up on D, gives up on his team, takes no personal accountability for losses, and the years of ridiculous flopping while being built like a friggin tank has really soured me on him. He’s also 6’9” with almost no post game moves either, which is baffling to me. Plus, he never became a real closer, which is what always made him lower on the rating scale to me because guys like Kyrie were the shot makers in crunch time on his best teams. Lebron to me is like Scottie Pippen on steroids, and… perhaps actual steroids in his case too. His mentality is a lot closer to Scottie’s than MJ’s and I know you know what I mean by that.
The moment Lebron put on that Lakers uniform, made me lose all respect for him. This made me realize what kind of a pathetic excuse for a basketball player Lebron James truly is
He is only good for stats but even his stats are inflated. Alot of uncontested layups (and still missing a bunch of easy ones), alot of cherry picking, alot of assist when he passes the ball and his teammate makes three dribbles to the hoop and it is still an assist: what a joke.
One thing that's not gonna show on the stat sheet that greats have that Bron doesn't is grit. Consider the 2013 and 2014 NBA Finals. Duncan and the Spurs took a massive tumble and collapse in 2013. If it were any other team, that would be curtains for everybody involved because it was such a bad way to lose. But then again, they ran it back the next season, almost with the exact same crew and finally brought it home in the 2014 playoff against the same team that humiliated them. Persistance and determination account for a lot and Bron just doesn't have that. When the going gets tough, Bron get's going... as far away as possible.
When Lebron loses it’s everyone else’s fault but when he wins a championship he is the only reason even when other players really are the ones that come through from start to finish.
Everyone and everything else's fault.
I admire Anthony Towns words that they are 15 great players not just 3.
I still don’t forgive Ray Allen for betraying KG and Pierce when he joined the Heat… he left bcuz he said he wasn’t willing to come off the bench, than came off the bench to the Heat! 😑
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Agreed, that’s all his fans logic . Blame the coaches and his teammates when he loses
Lebron losing: "it's just basketball"
Lebron winning: "that right there just made me the greatest of all time"
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when you are good you will tell everyone, when you are great everyone will tell you.
The fact he has to announce it proves how mentally insecure he is.
😂😂😂
And the weirdest thing was he didn't make the last shot...
What’s funny is he won the series in 7 games and called himself the goat. If you swept them then I could give you a pass but winning a chip barely in a game 7 because the other team couldn’t hit a shot to save their life doesn’t equal goat.
But he won a lot and did a lot 🤷🏻♂️
Larry Bird in an interview was asked who would you take to play with LeBron or Kobe. Bird replied if I want to have fun I’ll take LeBron. If I want to win games I’ll take Kobe
Then why did kobe had a losing record against lebron?
Kobe: i'll push myself to exhaustion
Lebron: at the end of the day it's just basketball
It's his Kratos arc.
So true
Or maybe he learned from what happened to Kobe. It’s just a game.
Hes getting paid to play a game! It is just basketball, just like my job is just work. Family is way more important. You say this quote by LeBron like its a negative when he is still playing at a high level, still is in tiptop shape, and has been doing it longer than hes been alive! I dont think yall actually get it
😂😂😂😂
His time in LA has really hurt his legacy , he was thought of as great player , but since coming to LA, he has acted like a overgrown child , from his tearing up the team , to always having to have better players around him, to getting coach's fired , and never accepting any responsibility for the teams failures or lack of success .
His legacy has been tainted since that meltdown in the Finals against Dallas. He's acted like an overgrown child for most of his career. He actually came across more mature in his first few seasons than he is in his 30's lol.
Exactly man!!! He is a cry baby
But LeBron has always given up on defense and has always thrown tantrums and has always quit on his teams. The media has just been able to ignore it and distract everyone from talking about it
He acted the same as always. People actually watch the Lakers to see his bs.
In LA basketball is his side job.
He's also not entirely a "nice guy". He is also heavily involved in team management in a way players aren't supposed to be. He can smile at you and high-five you while getting you traded or fired.
Passive Aggressive. The worst quality in leadership
lebron will be nice to your face then stick you in the back with no problem,, he's a snake and a fraud in every way.
so MJ is deleted from the goat conversation as well because he known as douchebag amongst his teammates. he's actually assaulted at least 1 teammate.
@richgreene5038 Nah, Being aggressive IS the quality you need from the GOAT, not being passive aggressive. MJ demanded the best, Lebron runs away and then points fingers in interviews but never directly.
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You could've skipped the feminine energy and just said that he punched Kerr once
I had Bron #7 because I mistaking believed he was skilled at basketball. But then I started watching him play instead of just hearing the mainstream media talk about his stats. He can’t score without traveling, carrying, and committing offensive fouls. And it has been that way his entire career. The NBA just changed the rules specifically for Lebron because it would be embarrassing if Lebron kept losing possession from his clumsy lack of fundamentals. He would be a bum in the 90s. He is Basically Scottie Pippen, on PEDs that keep him unnaturally healthy. Even his longevity is a fraud.
He is now in my top 15 because even Hakeem’s 2 rings, gotten legitimately, are worth more than all the rings the league helped Lebron get. Lebron has been playing his entire career with the most help than any player in history. The real superteam is the refs ignoring his cheating, and the league ignoring his drug use and stat padding. He is a disgrace to the game and is a perfect representative of this narcissistic, entitled generation, that lacks integrity and would sell their soul for either money, or social media likes.
Lebron James is not only bad at basketball and bad for basketball. He is everything wrong with basketball today and a perfect representative of everything wrong with today’s weak-willed, pampered, spoiled, entitled generation of adult children.
I had him at #13 next to Dirk a few years ago and now I regret ever saying he was top 15. All of his rings are either fraudulent or earned on superteams. He constantly feels the need to be crowned the goat by others and the media and it shows in him trying to go back and retroactively explain away every criticism of his game (podcasts, barber shop talks, etc.)
Its sad to see because I really felt like he was supposed to be the chosen one and now it just feels empty because he was never those things when I started appreciating the game more than the product of the NBA.
I feel the same way. The more I appreciate the beauty of the game, the lower I rank Lebron’s greatness because of how he cheats it. He is a disgrace to the game of basketball. It is telling of the character of this generation that many respect him as a top 5 player, despite his lack of real skill and legitimate accomplishments.
AOH? Is that you? 100% on point.
Back in 2018, my coworkers (mostly younger guys mind you) used to always push the LBJ narrative and swear he was the goat. I had not to long before switched from Sling TV to RUclips TV and was recording the games but rarely watching them if they weren't live.
One day after a whole shift of "he beat the Warriors" this and "MJ could never" that, I just randomly clicked on a game in my DVR recordings and simply watched LBJ from play to play.
What I witnessed changed the way I've looked at LBJ from that day to this one....
I went back to work only reported what I observed and got the biggest backlash. I was a hater, an old head ect. I've known LBJ's play style for this long: his defense is at best lackadaisical and will play defense for highlight purposes more times than not. His shot selection is patterned for stats and rarely makes a difference in actual winning. He has no mid range go to move which, for a goat, is unheard of. Free throws is one color of his kryptonite, the other is actual defense against him. I could go on..but I dare anyone who reads this to pick a random game from LBJ years as a Laker and pick MJ's Wizard years. Show it to your friends. The truth of the two are written in the plays.
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Right on the money sir! I susbcribe everything you've said sir. Thank you for your courage and honesty.
The thing that made me sour on LBJ is when he was in Cleveland against the Celtics. They lost that series and he just gave up. This was when people knew he was leaving.
Pissed Cleveland fans so bad , they burned his jerseys.
LeQuit
He went to Miami and promised 7 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 Titles. He didn't keep his promise.
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He promised „not seven“
It was 8 actually 😂😂
@kaukase539 either way he didn't deliver.
He's never been an all time top 5 player, ever! The media has been pushing this narrative for a minimum of 18 years! There's literally nothing that would ever put LeBron on the level of the true all time greats. Olajuwon, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq etc etc etc etc etc
They'll always push a new person, watch.
If they don't, then we admit that the sport and players are inferior? No, they hype so you watch.
@@noneyabizz8337 they tried to push Giannis as the next superstar a few years ago... That didn't work out
kobe over bron? wilt and shaq over bron? no way
@@mike04574 Uh yeah, Shaq, Wilt and Kobe are considerably better than LeBron and it's not even close. LeBron is in season 21 and still isn't even top 30 all time in rebounds as a 6'8, 250lb forward... 1 scoring title and 1 assists title in 21 seasons and nothing else. The guy is just mediocre
@@mike04574 yeah way way way
LeBron does not speak up for his teammates. He didn't say anything when Westbrook was being railroaded.
Exactly. I have no idea why he said that in the video. LeBronze would rather throw a teammate under the bus than speak even cordially about them nevermind highly praising them...
@@mpound97 they tried to get Westbrook out the league in LA. He got death threats and everything. LeBron didn't say nothing!
He’s the one that wanted Westbrook in the first place, that’s why the roster sucks because Jeanie Buss has no business running a franchise. LeBron tried to get his old buddies again and it failed yet again.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC bro this franchise is done for the next 20 years!
@@KaoMinerva if they don’t get someone in there to help Buss run it for sure.
Queen James is so physically gifted that he couldn't help but be good at any sport that he tried but hes so mentally and emotionally weak that he prevented himself from being the GOAT.
THIS!!! I had high hopes for LeBron, but he doesn't earn his pay now.
Correct!!! He plays football on a basketball court - he doesn’t sound smart when he talks basketball - he sounds like a salesman cause he is selling bullshit. MJ doesn’t have to sell propaganda.
Reminds me of Howard
Very true. I think with the right mindset and determination to be better he had a shot at being in the real goat conversation
@@JoelKSullivanHe Threw it To The Thrash
His Opportunity To Be The Goat Too Late, His Negative Loser Resume Tantrums, Meldowns Narcissism, Petulant Attitude, and To Makes
👉🏾Things W🤫rst, BE A QUITTER Disqualify Him, T🏀 Be Even in My
Top 5. Greatest 🏀f All Times... ✍🏾
After being eliminated his answer regarding the future was, " I will work myself to exhaustion." Kobe Bryant. End of moral analysis.
Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Wilt, Russell.......Off the top of my head, I don't see how you can put Lebron ahead of any of those.
Olajuwon, Duncan
Bird always my number 2. We wouldnt know what would have happened if he didnt hurt his back. Never in my mind that Lebron ever surpassed Kobe, much more Bird.
There's 0 arguments to put Bird or Wilt over Lebron.
Ant man is already better than Lebron
@@BDAthleticInsider He's better than a 40 year old? I hope so.
I've never seen a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan flop highlight reel.
You nailed it bro! 🎉
If anything, they'd try to get up and act like it didn't hurt even when they were clotheslined to the floor.
yeah but u can damn sure make a bad shot highlight reel
@@RASHONBOND973 cant get 2 points flopping on the floor crying to the refs.
@@RASHONBOND973did you watch game 3 of the series? Just another bad shot by Lebron. After he pushes a defender down then loses the game 😂.
Saying it's "just basketball" when you're being paid more than doctors and nurses just shows how entitled he is. It IS just basketball, and he's getting paid to complain about his entitlement
Lebron seems to have never understood the fact that this GAME is actually his JOB. He is paid an absurd amount of money to put his product on the floor. What the hell would people think of a fireman telling you it’s just your house,your picture, your pet, your wife, your child? People are trying to say lebron is the goat WTF. He is just a big guy that has some athletic ability and above average skills and a no heart. His ego is huge but his fight tinny. We all have seen this many times whenever he thinks he can’t succeed in the situation he is in he runs.
Doctors and nurses don’t even come close to top paid NBA players, who get paid well above 15 MILLIONS per year.
Doctors and nurses? LeBum gets paid more than entire hospitals.
I disagree with your interpretation, and my eyes see things differently than yours do. So, whose right and whose eyes are more reliable? Or should we use the "stats test" rather than the "eye test" to be a bit more objective in our analysis?
Did you see the post game interview when he said that? Because you're completely missing the context
He was the “Chosen One” because the NBA was desperately trying to find the MJ! It’s the “Making The Band” version of Basketball.
LOL i can't wait until this clown retires!
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@@SuperSikarlo and???? Dude just been stat padding since his last championship in a full 82 game season. Kareem played 20 seasons and has six NBA Titles to show for it!
HAHAH! This is good ! I have to agree ! :-) hehe
100%
MJ, Bird, Kareem, Magic and Kobe all have legit cases for being the 🐐 and to me Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Dr. J, Steph, Wilt and Hakeem are all time greats who rank ahead of LeBronze.
LeBronze, LOL that always cracks me up
AI and Olijawon have legitimate cases too.
Kareem is the GOAT and so is Wilt Chamberlain the only thing is I saw the 90s era and worked my way backwards, LeBum James fans aren't willing to put that effort.
@@afb8370 What no Bill Russell too? I'd love to see LeBron face what he was.
@kennethharrison9409 no allen Iverson has no case.
"Queen" James, the Flopper. He makes male European soccer players seem heroic in comparison.
and he's living rent free between your ears!
@@erikhopkins9488 Not hardly. He's out and I'm watching the Celtics.
Bad comparison, LeRefs is flopping.
@@erikhopkins9488I heard he’s living with your mother😂😂😂 now go fetch your king some nourishment
@@erikhopkins9488LeFlop son is dyinggg because of Leflop forcing her son to go to NBA despite having some health issues. I wish and hope it will happen and also to you and your family. Cause leFlop is living rent free in your mind even she don't know you.
At least you can admit it. Most people have too much pride to admit lebalco is not in the top 5 . He never had a dynasty . Kobe and Duncan played at the same time both got 5 chips . He wasn't the best in his era .
I AGREE TOTALLY! 👏🏾
Lebalco. When that truth comes out it will be the true danger to his legacy. I don’t love his game, but he’s 2 or 3 with me. I prefer Kobe at 2 but Lebron’s longevity is considerable. If the Balco allegations come true it wipes away the most substantial part of his legacy.
@Sleepy4213 I don't even see him top 5 because of his character
@@VtooSmooth Yep. The way he went out NUMEROUS times. He literally quit against Boston, the Spurs and Denver.
From Kobe and Duncan to curry💯
Lebron literally is Steven Seagal of baskeball
They discredit Kobe’s championships bc he had Shaq but give Lebron 100% of the credit when he had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie, Kevin Love…GTFOH
Yep makes zero sense! 😂
Very true.
Lebron's biggest legacy is getting fired 7 out of his 8 coaches in his career.And could be 8 out of 8 if Riley listened to him when he wanted Spolstra fired.
It's wild
Because he’s not here to defend himself… MJ thought Kobe a lot, that’s why even his interviews and guest appearances were so great. Does anybody really want to hear Lebron and his excuses of why he lost, again!? It’s sad that nobody in the Lakers org. Speaks up for him… but I knew once Jerry West left, so did the wisdom and ability to make amazing moves and put things together to make things work. He was the backbone of that Org. Now they have no class and look to sell themselves like a cheap drunk girl in a brothel. (They couldn’t even get the statues right SMH)
I still can't fathom how Basketball fans put him ahead of Kobe
Because the media tries to put direct comparisons away. But since he’s on the Lakers now, media propaganda is failing and he’s getting exposed.
Stats and logic
@@j-short5431 stats says losing finals record and logic says ducking and skipping games to fake longevity is a bitch made mood. Especially forcing your kid to feed your ego after he had a heart attack. Think up of something better klutz shill.
Because he is a better scorer,passer, rebounder, teammate, and has 3 more MVPs.
@@cantpleasonist 💍💍💍💍💍
He gives up. No killer instinct.
That's a fact. He done the things his whole career and he is only in business for him and his "brand".
Yes an we don't want him in LA anymore.
@@CalebG002 He is in LA for at least 3 more years. All the best to Lakers fans lolol. Sincerely from a Spurs supporter.
@@kharis87 😂😂🤦🏾♂️ I know Bro but just the idea of waking up to Rob Pelinka tells LeBron an Klutch to hit the road is still the best news we can have. Now we're gonna trade the few young players we have now to get some washed all-star who will be a scapegoat by December. It's the same song with this fraud every season.
If that's the case then how did they come back from 3-1 versus Golden State, you'll take is trash
You know whats another big thing no one ever talks about, is the fucking bad free throw shooting. Dude has been ducking the line for years.
*He said* the reason he "had to learn how to flop" was to get to the line more.
And, I'm guessing, by extension, that is also the reason he throws tantrums like a two year old.
*And yet* - he has NOT improved his free-throw percentage *at all* to increase the *value* of his getting to that line more often
and, thereby, being a greater asset to his team.
Any of them.
In *20* years!
Why should longevity be praised if it isn't used to improve your skills and contributions to your team?
In 20 years, he *could* have learned to play the game of basketball with fundamentals and within the rules.
Especially if he wanted to be counted among the greats.
But, he chose not to.
@cindy…
🎯
@cindyknudson2715 LOL!! Learn to flop...hahahaha you right though
Id also argue that LeBrenda has never even been the greatest player of his own era. Kobe, Duncan and Steph have all been more dominant during LeRoid's 21 year career
Maybe he was the best in 2012-2013 but even then it was probably KD that was the best at that time.
Duncan dominated Kobe's era
The people who have been saying this for years have been called haters, casuals, and every other name in the book. It’s pretty clear to anyone who has followed the game and doesn’t listen to talking heads on ESPN that LeBron is not even close to top five, and may only be in the top ten simply because of longevity. Even then, that’s questionable.
Character is part of the equation, character, and results when it counts, and in that fashion, to me Lebron isn't even in top 10 for me. I think if you want to talk god fiven talent in regards to pure athletism, then he is no doubt given the gifts to play this game at a level as high as anyone to ever play the game. 6'9", and a solid frame. No doubt his jumping ability is astoundishing for someone of his height. So there is no doubt he was given all the physical tools necesarrily honestly to be the best who ever played. But what has held him back from even making the top 10 is his completely lack of character, his insane entitlement, his flopping, his disrespect for his teammates, and his completely lack of team play.
Iman in a video i saw recently was asked to talk about Lebron, and he said something I though was funny. He said that you can know the state of mind that a basketball will have his entire career based on the age and time in their life when they entereed the NBA. For instance, if someone is playing college basketball, when they enter the NBA, that level of mentality is where they are frozen at for the rest of their career. Similar if they come in right out of high school, that is the level at which they approach the game for the rest of their career. And he said that because Lebron entered right out of highschool, that was where he is stuck at. Iman played this game where he tried to indicate that Lebron played as some kind of sevant, and that he wouldn't practice set plays, but instead he would just call out the plays when they are on the court, and Iman said that Lebron didnt' care that the other team heard the position he wanted them in etc. And he tried to say that 'magically' the ball would go exactly where Lebron said.
But here is what I think, Iman was giving Lebron an insult, saying that he is stuck at a high school level of maturity, and that he can't play advanced plays, because he isnt' capable of it. Which is why Lebron insists on not practicing set plays, and instead he just gets to call out where he wants people every play, and the rest, whatever happens happens. And if you watch, it's like Lebron has so much clout he forces all these other guys to play like that, and of course that makes them play at a worse level, cause they can't run set plays, and learn how to play a system, etc. And if you watch Lebron he is constantly cluless on defense, because frankly he never learned any advanced ideas about how to play with a team. Where someone like MJ, he came in and learned the triangle system that was Phil Jackson's brain child that he brough to the NBA. And because of this, they could come up with set plays, etc, that didn't require any communcation for them to know who the other players would react in different situations. Where under Lebron all the rest of the team is forced to deal with whatever insanity that Lebron calls for them to do, and of course when it all goes wrong, Lebron blames them, but when it goes right, Lebron claims he is the coach and says he should get all the credit, and the announcers give him that accolade despite the fact that Lebron is a complete negative to any team because he is useless in any system that isnt' just about Lebron getting easy stat padding points...
People play worse with Lebron than they play on other teams, that alone is enough for him not only not to be top 10, but to frankly drop him likely even out of the top twenty. I would put guys like The Dream, Shaq, and even guys like Iverson, ahead of Lebron. If you consider the talent that Carter played with, and had to help grow for instance, compared to the super super teams that Lebron has demanded to win. I think just because a player doesn't have rings, doesn't mean they were worse than Lebron. And that is something I find annoying when people give Lebron credit for rings, when he played on teams, that frankly many people could have played on and taken home those same rings if they had played in place of Lebron. LIke Allen Iverson being an example... as well as guys like Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, etc, etc, etc... To me if you picked any of the super teams that Lebron was on during that period when he was winning rings, and it is hard not to see that someone like Barkley, or Allen Iverson wouldn't have just as likely a chance to win that ring as Lebron. Where real goats like MJ, you can't remove MJ from the Bulls and see them have any chance of winning those Championships those years. Without MJ, the bulls had zero chance. Where if you take Allen Iverson, and paired him up with Wade, and the rest of the Heat's insane linely those years, and it is easy to see them still winning the years they won... They might not have won the same number of games, but in the post season, most of those guys I listed about performed more clutch in important games then Lebron did.. so... why Lebron is given so much credit by the media is beyond me...
I don’t know… if u have more loses than Wins in the Finals with Superteams? How can u be considered a Winner… if u can only Win 40% when u have a huge advantage against ur matchups? Isn’t that considered a failure, since u came up short and lost more with the odds in ur favor…
@@siner2442 100%
Remember when Lebron was holding up his hands talking about winning 7-8-9 rings when he first joined Wade at Miami. I mean, how can you even continue to claim to be the goat after that moment. And now, to claim that 'you didn't have enough help from the "minimal"s', and that is why you lost, when you literally have tape of you claiming you'd win 9 rings with a team that didnt' even have all the talent you added later as well. The degree of arrogance to say that about your past team mates to me just says everything there is to say about Lebron's character...
Remember MJ would say that he needed to play better, and that he fell short, man I miss those days. When as big as ego as MJ had, at least he understood to get those accolades he had to earn it himself... Now we have guys who just expect it to be handed to them like some entitled participation trophy for the "GOAT".... as long as he comes up with enough excuses somehow that should be enough for the world to just give him the title ahead of MJ...
Yeah the fact he didnt threepeat in miami hurts his legacy so bad, and 2011. Idk how anyone ranks him the goat his miami stint shouldve produced a threepeat at least
@@lemonscentedgames3641 and the fact they lost to the statistically oldest and worst team to win the Finals in the Mavs.
I feel the NBA as a whole will greatly improve once Lebron retires.
Same.
Not unless the correct rules for dribbling, steps after dribbling, and fouls/hand checking are reinstituted into the Game.
@@wtm121 Agreed they need to fix the rules and put balance back in the league
it's starting to improve now
@@wtm121 The ora will improve from day one before any rule changes come into effect.
KOBE is so far ahead of James in this conversation its funny
Just not when they went head too head lmao 16-6 LeBron vs Kobe 😂🤷🏾♂️
@@MYBCBOYBronsexual
@@MYBCBOY the better team won but I remember Kobe having more points than him in most of that
@@BloodguiltyGaming battles or wars sir which won would you want to win 👀
It shouldnt even be a conversation. Lebron is just a good player in a very weak, lousy league.
Kobe is one of the greatest in a real physical league.
The way the game has changed, you really can't even compare modern players to the greats. No D and too soft now.
ALL modern players would take a hit in stats if transplanted into older eras, whereas most players from past eras would see a bump.
I agree totally , I know the greats from thirty years ago would flourish in todays NBA
@@dangreene3895 I always laugh when I see someone argue that todays NBA is so much more talented than previous eras, because of the scoring and amount of 3s. Its the lack of defense and fundamentals in this era that make the scoring. IMO, its to make the game exciting, because it hasnt been since MJ retired. Which is also why they push Lebaby as this superstsar. The void of MJ effect
@@paulkline1522plus all the turnovers and sloppy play
@@paulkline1522 FOR SURE DERANGED TELL ME WHEE WAS JORDAN AT AGE 40 AFTER HE REST 6 YEARS LOAD MANAGED MORE THAN 450 GAMES ??
The league has become soft under the guidance of LeBron
Top 5 crybaby and narcissist of basketball history
The goat of uncalled fouls traveling and flops too.
To be fair, all superstar athletes have loads of narcissism. That's how they get that far.
#1
@@joshportie IS THAT THE REASON JORDAN GOT 50 FOULS ON HIM PER GAME IF ANYONE TOUCH HIM ??
@MichaelCheo-cr6ks Lebron has more longevity AND a higher peak than Kareem. Lebron’s peak was 90% of Jordan’s peak yet has played at that peak for 40% longer, that’s objectively more impressive than Jordan having a slight edge in peak.
Lebron has faced more All-NBA, All-Defense, All Stars in the playoffs than Jordan especially in the finals where Jordan’s best competition would be Lebron’s 2nd worst competition. And let’s also ignore how Jordan was favoured 6/6 times in the finals whereas Lebron was favoured 3/10 times. There’s only two possible reasons why: Lebron had less help than Jordan OR the teams he faced were significantly stronger than Jordan’s so either way 🤣🤣
Jordan, Russell, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Bird, Wilt, Olajuwon, Dr.J, Kobe.
Kobe > Duncan.
7 West titles to 6 West titles.
Kobe 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs.
Bruce Bowen, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, all Duncan teammates, have stated on the record Kobe was the best player of their era.
That's very telling.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Kobe wasn't even the best player with Lakers after Shaq. 7 points a game a rookie didn't start until his 3rd season when Eddie Jones got traded. Kobe never shot 50% in a season, didn't make the playoffs every season, played for 10 different head coaches and only was successful with Phil Jackson.
Let's not forget Oscar, Elgin Baylor, and Jerry West as well. 👍
@@gilbertbrown4183Really? Kobe is bum ?
@@blamspot2-z4j -- Sorry, I'm a Gen Xer...the world began with Magic and Larry. ;-)
22ppg on 35/20/69 shooting splits against the Spurs in 2007 along with 4.5 turnovers per game.
Scoring just 21 points three games in a row Vs Celtics in 2008 on terrible shooting splits.
Blowing a 2-1 lead Vs Celtics in 2010 with a peak 15 point performance on 3-14 shooting in game 5
Complete meltdown in 2011, blown 2-1 lead, outplayed by Jason Terry, scored 8 points in a Finals game whilst being completely healthy
Saved by Ray Allen in 2013 Vs Spurs after having 18 points in game 1, 17 points in game 2 and 15 points in game 3
Choked the third time (no charm) against the spurs in 2014. I can see a pattern here
Outplayed by KD in 2017
Pretended to have a broken hand in 2018 LOL
Failed to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating "playoff mode". Got embarrassed several times, including getting clamped and blocked by Mario Hezonja on a potential game winning isolation play
Sent home in the first round in 2021 after being a preseason favourite to win the championship.
Didn't make the playoffs in 2022 after having second best preseason odds to win the championship
2023/24 - won 1 out of 13 games against the Nuggets whilst having AD on the team putting up prime Shaq numbers
And makes his teammates worse. (Taking more shots than AD, Hachimura, Reeves smh) 🤦🏿♂️
His integrity is equal to Tonya Harding's.
At least Tonya was competitive.
@@big8dog887😂😂😂
We can’t disrespect Tonya like that 😂
Whyyyyy
@@big8dog887True!...😂😂😂
If he ever was a top 5 player, he decided to stay in the league and beat records using longevity. It backfired as his skill and ability have decreased with age. Breaking records that took 10 seasons to set with 20+ years of playing doesn’t make you better than the real men who set them.
#boomroasted
Well said. 👍👏👏👏👏
Facts !
So true
It's like testing put of a class you failed in the last few weeks and passing. Wasn't there the whole time it mattered but comes in last minute to raise the gpa.
This era of basketball hurt Lebron in many ways, the physical of the 80s and 90s made you develop a signature shot or mental endurance but he plowed (traveling!) thru NBA and now your age has caught up with him and still no identity
I can never understand why this guy is in the GOAR conversation at all, he is not even the best small forward.
Angry Old Hoops in the house! 🥳🥳🥳 god bless that man! Well, speak your mind, Sean…I never understood why people apologize when criticizing that guy! 🤷🏻♂️
I also enjoyed the very short AOH cameo.
Love your channel
Lmao ain’t nothing to apologize about it’s all thoughts an opinion’s I mean it’s a lot hate cuz some of y’all have started averaging 13.5 in there 12th season I mean yu gotta still put the work in bums #sorrybutnotsorry
will never put this guy over Dirk Nowitzki and Tim Duncan
That makes 2 of us. He's not even close to their level.
Make it 3
Dirk beat lebum and d wade in playoffs so dirk over both of them lol
And I will add another All Time Great, Of Defense, Steals, and Blocks, etc. Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@baffledsquirrel2122yeah i remember those games dirk was better than everybody on the floor the whole series
I am a Boston Celtics fan. In 2010 I heard the hype surrounding LeBron. Game 6, I saw him quit during the game. Meanwhile good examples by players to show the heart and drive that Lebron lacks:
1987, Larry Bird steals the Piston's inbound pass, giving the ball to DJ for a score.
1991, Larry Bird returned to a playoff game to lead the Celtics to victory over the Pacers after suffering a broken cheek bone.
1995, Reggie Miller scored 8 points in 9 seconds to lead the Pacers to a playoff victory over the Knicks.
When he quit against the Celtics in 2010, that eliminated from ever being considered the GOAT IMO.
When I saw him quit in the playoffs before leaving for Miami, I lost any respect I had for him as a player. He's only gotten worse over time. It's as easy to see as idk... watching the biggest man on the court flop non stop for loose change from the refs. What a fucking bum, calling yourself the GOAT while begging the refs for fouls and blaming your role players when you lose. Can't even dribble the damn ball, always traveling. Call himself the GOAT. I've seen grade schoolers with more skill than him
U don’t even have to beat Lebron… he’ll just lay down by himself 😂 I couldn’t beleive when him and Wade started faking cramp ups when they were playing the Spurs in the Finals? They had to have an excuse for those old men beating them down and embarrassing them
I've always had Kobe ahead of Bron... It's not even close...LeBron stays leaving his wing man high and dry...
Dont forget MJ forcing a steal on malone to force a buzzer beater that he took and made... in the finals
Jerry Rice had the exact same mentality Kobe does. 2-3 Days after winning a Superbowl, QB Steve Young is at the training facility getting some stuff out of his locker, he looks out on to the field and Jerry Rice is running routes and catching balls. EVEN AFTER WINNING A SUPERBOWL, the off-season started for him. We can take away off the field issues because that's not on the field, you know? But what is on the court/field is your brain and how it's wired. Jordan, Bird, Kobe. KILLERS from day 1 till retirement. They're all in the discussion. Lebron? He's Randy Moss with Jerry Rice's stats. And that's putting it nicely.
Respect the comparison to moss and I can definitely see that. Both physical freaks with a limited bag and relied much on athleticism. What Bron has more than moss was rices stats. But he doesn’t have the heart and the mentality.
I’ll add this. MJ and Kobe were fearless. They believed they can beat you every time. If they don’t, they believe they can figure it out and beat you the next time. They weren’t afraid of failure or losing. They believed they would win every time. Bron plays out of fear and it’s because his whole life people told him he’s the best. He had chosen one tattooed right out of high school, he never had to earn it, he was given everything. IWhen you’re told you are the best, you fear that you will lose it. It’s why he never did the dunk contest. He’s afraid what it will mean to his legacy if he loses it. It’s the same reason why he tightens up at the end of games dribbling off his foot, losing the ball out of bounds, or missing free throws. It’s the entitlement generation. It’s also why he seeks the path of least resistance to get his rings.
I think in 20 years the kids are gonna be confused why anyone ever had Lebron in the GOAT conversation
Exactly.
I think the opposite will happen. They'll look at his career stats and assume he was unstoppable. Only people who watched him play will remember him strutting through a weak conference, folding under pressure, and whining to the refs on every play.
@@Br0seid0n Kids will never rate a player they haven't seen. Just like the Gen-Z undermines Kareem's stats, kids in 2064 will also undermine LeBum's stats. That is the circle of life.
News like this don't surprise me because I've never considered him as a top 20. No way Lebron belongs in the MJ, KOBE, DUNCAN, MAGIC, BIRD, KAREEM, etc league. He's been carried by the Media and the league.
You said the Top 20 you can’t say that he’s done to much but to me there’s no goat there’s best players of their Era. All the All time great had someone that they learned from and looked up to
When you speak the truth they call you a hater
@@Dipset415 because the truth doesn’t have a filter the lie does have filter…. Individuals like this just want to be delusional that’s fine
LOL, I thought it was just me. That dude barely makes my top 25.
@@markettspikes2876that’s fine if you want to hold this opinion but if I can be frank, it’s a natural thing in sports to consider the question of who is the greatest to ever play the game. Sports is about competition. Why bother competing if winning isn’t important?
Now, if we can agree that trying one’s best in the hopes of winning is what truly matters when we think about competing in a sport; then we must ask what does it take to win enough games to come out on top.
When we ponder this question we naturally will think of a list of qualities a team needs in order to be better than the other teams they are playing against.
Offense
Defense
Teamwork
Hard work (both in games and between games)
Along with these obvious ones there is also other intangibles needed to win championships
Never give up mentality
And killer instinct are two I can think of off the top of my head.
Obviously teams are made up of players and having a player which embodies most if not all of these important aspects of winning would begin to bring that player to the top of the list.
It’s this which drives the question about GOAT status.
To run away from or ignore this is just dismissive.
Sure it may be difficult to compare players from different eras but to pretend like there can’t be someone who was/is/or yet to be the greatest to ever do it is IMO lazy and maybe even hurtful to the core of what sports are about.
To work so hard that you might be seen as the greatest to ever do something is a quality in humans which move us forward to achieve great things.
Few things demonstrate this as sports can.
In conclusion I will say that I welcome greatness and want to see greatness “bettered”.
I want to see the now GOAT (whoever that is) to be dethroned (pun intended).
With that in mind, I see MJ as the GOAT but am looking forward to seeing a player be greater than he was….. it just isn’t James.
I never subscribed to that narrative of that ped using POS as a top 5 player! He’s not in my top 15
🤦🏻♂️
Agree with you Sean! That's why i was shocked when a knowledgeable guy like Stephen A. Smith said that he considers Le Bron the 2nd greatest of all time. Ridiculous!
Shout out to the AOH’s clip!! Now that’s a guy who tells it like it is and doesn’t give a crap about what Labron fans think!!! ❤😊
AOH is a legend
yeah I was thinking those are Angry Old Hoops clips. Did he give him a shoutout for them in the video, I missed it if he did. Hope he didn't just rip his clips and make a video off of it lol
Antman is already more talented and more mentally tough than LJ.
No he is not
@@TT-dv9er Barkley would disagree with you.
@@jkimo11 Wimby is too
How many titles for Antman again?
@@sharvav You cannot compare like that. Antman hasn't had the same number of chances for a title. If you're objective....it is obvious who has the killer instinct and who doesn't.
I was told that I “don’t know ball” by saying that Curry was a better player than Lebron.
But I really believe this to be the case. If you put Curry on the Lakers and Lebron on that Warriors team from this past season I would fear that Lakers team with that Curry/AD two man game and I think the Warriors would be a disaster.
Steph is much better
Steph has a phenomenal skill set
Steph > LeBron. Easily.
I’m 37 I remember about 22-23 years of knowing what I see on the court🤙🏿although I didn’t see the live games of Jordan Larry bird Hakeem I have them all over curry🤙🏿then Kobe Duncan and that’s it💯curry is that dude
The warriors was a disaster this year with curry.
Jordan and Kobe were both 9-times All-Defensive Team. Many people in this era forget that there's 2 sides of the floor.
Your arguments are on point. Just one objection: He‘s not a nice teammate - at least in an all around way. He‘s complaining about his own teammates multiple times every game for situations resulting of his own lack of defence. That’s disgusting to watch.
AD is the most disrespected player in the nba because of lebrob
Exactly I’ve been saying this for years and I’ve been ridiculed for it. Now more people see the light. I’ve never wavered.
I used to be a big Lebron fan but every since he joined the Lakers he's been rubbing me off the wrong way. Getting coaches fired, not getting back on defense, walking out on your teammates when the game isn't over yet, throwing temper tantrums at the coach, then making that comment when he said "It's just basketball" but you getting coaches fired and dudes trying to make a career in the league really made me lose a lot of respect for him.
He was 'rubbing you off the wrong way' - I see what you mean here
@@CharlieStormslll pause
Dribbling the ball off his leg while under no pressure and turning to prince and blaming him for the TO.
He's got to go and stop saying that he's 1 of the top 5 noooooo way he's not he's way down at maybe 99 but he's not top 5 stop it
@@georgeleon3724 I got lebum at 1,989th place on my all time greatest ever list. I got 1,988 players in front of him on my all time greatest player list.
lebron is definitely the goat for best actor, mood swings, tantrums, crying, complaining, flopping, traveling, defensive sleeping
I, 100%, Agree with U. Not to mention that u didn't even bring up the "LeFlop" issue!!!
It's not just about the stats. It's about how you show up in the big moments when it matters. He doesn't. His teammates bailed him out. Irving, Allen, Wade.
It's also how you take your losses. But in this Trump World Order, grifting and complaining are mainstays with people like him and LeFraud.
An Jordan ain’t get bailed out before by Kerr sound like hate treatment smh it’s called a basket ball TEAM 🤷🏾🤦🏾♂️ this man game is past first then score
Your right its a team game. But Jordan wasnt bailed out by Kerr. Bulls werent about to be eliminated and Jordan up to a point led the Bulls and series. unlike the Bulls and Jordan, LeBron had Wade who led games when James could not and Allen hit a huge shot for them to not be eliminated and ultimately win. @mookbaby6751
@@mookbaby6751 When Kerr took the shot following MJ's play and assist, the score was 86-86, and the Bulls were winning 3-2. Worst-case scenario: overtime in the United Center, with possible Game 7 again in Chicago as the format was 2-3-2 then. When Allen took the shot after the missed shot by LeBron, the Heat was losing 95-92 and 3-2.
@@mookbaby6751
'pass first' / most career attempted shots all time
Better luck next narrative
LeBron skilled basketball player? You got that wrong, all the guy does is basic dunks from under the rim with todays 0 defense. Pretty much open dunks.
He should be called for a charge every time drives to the hoop also!! Every single time he pushes off
The difference between Bird & Kobe is they played injured and Lebron couldn't because it was too hot. Magic & Bird will always be tied for 1 because they saved the league.
I’ve never seen that Kobe interview after dropping the series. That’s how i’d expect a professional athlete to answer.
Lebron is how i’d expect a highschooler to answer.
He's not even top 10, and if he doesn't retire soon, his antics and toxicity may not even put him in the top 20 of all time. Few players in sports history have damaged a league like lebron has
0:50 Anyone who had Lebron James Top 5 ALL TIME
simply was FOOLED by the media propaganda of BSPN
at least you admit you were wrong….honestly he's barely top 10
Exactly and if he comes back next year he might be falling to about 15th
*barely top 20.
If he retired 5 years ago,he'd still be top10
@@RalphKetchumI agree and having 40000 + with one scoring title says it all and should not be ignored
I once asked Lebron for change for a 1$ & he gave me back .75 cents.
So I asked him what’s up?
Lebron said he doesn’t have 4 quarters.
Smh....hahhaahahahhaah aight!!😂
😂😂😂
This is going in the vault.
The GOAT has to be SUPER-ELITE IN ALL THREE GOAT categories: 1) PRODUCTION, 2) LEADERSHIP, 3) COMPETITIVENESS (including clutch factor)
Lebron is a great producer with great longevity (though probably chemically enhanced), but he gives poor leadership and he's an average competitor at best.
And wins too that's an important factor not to be discounted.
@@afb8370 No doubt, but winning is the result of the other three and if there's a much better team in the league during your peak it's hard to punish a guy for that. A lot of great players didn't get titles in the nineties - Miller, Malone, Ewing, Stockton, Barkley and there are others.. Also, non-great players can win titles if they have the right people to carry them.
kween James! I’d take Robert Parish over him 😎
10:35 LeBron throws his teammates under the bus all the time. He just threw his own kid under the bus - he got the ESPN made for TV moment he wanted then shipped his kid out.
You forgot to mention he can pick and choose who his teammates are, literally
Remember in 2013 Finals that he missed a 3 before Bosh got an offensive board and passed to Ray Allen
Yes but do u remember the 3 he made before that lmao 🤔
That 1 play encapsulates his entire career?
That would of gave Timmy and the boys 6 rings and Lebron would have 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron. Same as Kyrie hitting that 3 against the Warriors
@@Relaxation_Rain_Sleep_Sounds ahh. So, Allen and Irving “saved LeBron.”
Just like Paxon and Kerr “saved Jordan.”
To me, his poor treatment of teammates by digging it, giving up and blaming others makes him a poonsniff. Dude would have gotten a beat down in the 80s.
To me it's the mix of calling himself the goat and if he's losing, it's just basketball
That's fucking crazy
Couldn't agree more, Sean. I have him at #10.
1. Kareem and Michael
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Magic
6. Bill
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron
11. Wilt
12. Steph
I’d honestly switch place with curry and bron. Bron maybe more eye catching, but they literally built an all time team naturally around Steph. Sure KD contributed a lot, but KD is just a piece. Steph was the foundation.
@@Telopead Totally agree that Steph made those teams work. I could see switching them, for sure.
I’d also put Wilt before LeBron.
he's not the GOAT or 2nd GOAT. He's likely not even the greatest player of his generation. Steph Curry has more nba titles, and he clearly CHANGED THE GAME. This current generation, history is going to show he was the best player of this generation.
Tim Duncan is higher on the GOAT list (he's not the greatest, but he's greater than LeBron. How any titles did Duncan win?..nuff said).
duncan over kobe not lebron lol this is a crazy take.
titles aint everything
lebron's prime was before curry's generation that aint even a fair comparison
@@mike04574 Kobe and Duncan are both much better players than LeBron and it's not even close
@@mike04574 So you're telling everybody that LeBron prime was over by age 27?! This is why nobody ever takes lebron fans seriously
MJ, the GOAT for ever.
Non debatable. All of Jordan accomplishments came in 11½ playing seasons in Chicago besides an all-star in Washington? Until a player comes an take the NBA by storm an pass him in accomplishments in a similar time frame his spot at #1 is safe.
Wilt.
@@jrr3787Wilt Chamberlain 2 championships, in playoffs his numbers dropped to 22 PPG this is the mighty unstoppable Wilt Chamberlain, why? How? 22 PPG? But wait, finals more interesting 18 PPG. Man if you don't go have a seat somewhere. Wilt Chamberlain is actually version of early LeBron those 2 are very similar. Underwhelming in the biggest moments. The only reason Wilt is top 10 is he was on 2 of the 1st greatest teams ever the 67 Sixers an the 72 Lakers where they had 67 & 69 wins. When the playoffs an Finals start great players play goes to a completely higher level. 30 PPG to 22 PPG to 18 PPG. Keep your excuses and he had the great Jerry West as a teammate. And he played in a era where the players voted for MVP an even they knew Bill Russell was the best 5X they decided this. Dude said Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq won twice as much championships as Wilt. Unbelievable
@@CalebG002Are we talking greatest player ever or greatest "playoff player ever?" Wilt was on crappy teams most of his career and was triple teamed constantly in the playoffs. Wilt had so many people hanging off his jersey, he couldn't have waved to the crowd. By your logic, the 2nd greatest player ever is Sam Jones. What is "unbelievable" is your willful ignorance. It's okay to be ignorant, but not to remain so purposely.
@@jrr3787wilt was also a stat padder and a playoff choker
One of the biggest things is = What did that player do with the Talent around him? In this case, NO PLAYER in history played with more already made All-Star players than Lebron!!! So did he win the most Titles All Time? Did he even win more than players of his generation? NO, so he FAILED even with all that talent.
Give other players that never won, like Sir Charles all of lebron's teammates and what happens???? Give Ewing all those Star players and???? Now give lebron Ewing's teammates and what happens??? Lebron FAILED.
He's Top 15 at best.
And none of those guys had their best years playing with LeBron. Great players make others better.
@@projoebiochemBecause LeBalco only knows one way to play and isn't coachable. Watch how the Lakers play differently and as a team when the offense doesn't have to run through him. Then the defensive end falls apart 4v5 (except for the refs).
That's why his teammates's stats take a drop when they team up with him: it's his way or free agency.
@@projoebiochem -- Great Point! One of the biggest LIES about lebron = He makes his teammates better! lol!!
YEAH RIGHT!!! If that were true, he would MAKE All-Star Players out of average players. That doesn't happen. Instead of that, he needs ALREADY MADE All-Star players that he makes WORSE!!! lol!!! Why? Because he will not give up what he lusts the most, his STATS!!! If he truly cared about winning Titles, he'd play more like a Magic Johnson type player. But... that never happened.
The last time Lebron lost a playoff series to a team that didn’t have a better supporting cast to their best player than him was 2011 Lol stop acting like he had these amazing teams and lost to worse teams that isn’t the case at all
@@Eggingyolked Remember that, for the most part James has picked his major supporting cast, at least since he went to Miami. So, if his team has been weaker, and I disagree with that assessment, it is a combination of James preferred choices for teammates, what draft capital the team has to burn to meet his requests, and the limited role he allows other players because of his slowdown, ball-dominant style.
He's not an athlete. He's an actor playing the role of a professional basketball player in LA, the home of HOLLYWOOD, where everything is fake and scripted. He's been in the role since high school, the very game has changed to accommodate his role.
Being great is not only about winning. It is also how you take the losses. MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird they all lost but they took it as great as they were. Lebron is not like that at all.
Thank you for saying it. It’s not hate. It’s ridiculous how little criticism of him there is
How little criticism he gets, have you seen this comment section.
You’re living in an echo chamber if you think that. There’s so many people who hate on him.
@@mightymochi6320 I’m talking about mainstream media. It’s almost like people don’t want to touch the narrative he might not be the goat. The guy is always quitting on plays. He didn’t give a shit the entire regular season. I don’t hear anything from espn. I don’t hear the popular nba podcasts talking about it. People cover for him. The mainstream is the echo chamber. Pay attentikn
@@scottbissonnette514have u watched ESPN lately dudes getting burned by all of en
Stephen A, Wilbon, even his ex team at Perk have all been critical, the fuk u talking bout
LeBron isn't clutch the way Bird, Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Wilt, etc. were
But yet he has the most post season game winners.
did u start watch basketball yesterday
Balanced and insightful. I have no rebuttal. Jordan,Magic, Bird or Kobe would have never acted like LeBron. No Defense and flopping? I can't imagine MJ flopping!!😂
When he got drafted, I was seriously excited, thinking about what he could bring to the game, and for the first few seasons I had those expectations. Well, it all went down the drain, when he went to Miami. Soon after, the flopping and exceptions in his favour started, and it just grinded my gears. Instead of working on his game, he worked on the media. Now my hopes are on ANT-man!
I couldn't agree more! It's hard to believe that I was actually rooting for this dude during his first stint in Cleveland. In hindsight, branding himself as 'The Chosen One' should've been a giant red flag. Blessed be the day this clown finally retires and the NBA can start the healing process from this cancer.
The little things mean the most in life and sports. A real leader doesn’t point the finger or make excuses. A 39 year old man acting like the 8 year olds I coach and then speaking like them is blasphemy and can in no way qualify him as a goat in this game. Great video.
Exactly. If I was the coach and he pitched that little child tantrum i don't care who he is and how much he gets paid i would have taken his a-- out of the game and beached him for the remaining of the game and had a man to boy conversation to let him know who's the coach and who the player is . I know that I would have lost my job but at least I would have shown the NBA that I don't care who he is and that he doesn't like it he can go somewhere else and play . These coaches never stood up to him better yet let him be the coach- player then when things go wrong who does he has to blame then . Darvin Ham Lebron did you a big favor and now you don't have to be around a cancer that's killing his own teammates and the Lakers organization
@@deanrogers8273Pat Riley (owner) told him NO when he wanted Spoelstra fired. 😂
This channel was my gateway to basketball on RUclips.
I turned up my nose when Kobe was raised up as the next Jordan but he definitely earned my respect. When LBJ came around I was excited to see what the third iteration of MJ would be like.
I drank the kool-aid at first too, but especially the last several years he's shown that he just doesn't have "it". He's not that guy.
All that to say, I agree with you and thank you for your honesty. I know that a lot of us have gone through the same realization.
Keep up the great work, man! (And I'm glad I'm not the only one watching AOH around here)
9:36 he is not one of the most skilled basketball players of all time. He doesnt play defense, he travels, he plows people over, he turns the ball over all of the time, he flops, and he creates super teams.
He is preserving his emergy for offence. So he plays hardly any defence. Even on offence, sometimes he doesn't move much because he is tired and preserves his energy for scoring.
If another player did the same thing, they would lose a spot on the team.
And yet the team's defense is usually better with him on the court.
Shout out to Angry old Hoops fan . That dude has some great shots n clips of Lebron n his shenanigans. Shout out to you as well my man. Longtime viewer of your content . I really respect your takes and look on the NBA.
AOH speaks the truth... and deserves a bigger audience (which says a lot about the state of the fandom).
@@kcmet79 fucking eh . Wish his stuff would hit more of the masses . I feel like a crazy person talking to Lebron fans when I say he's not really that good of a basketball player . The dude lacks skill. He gets a lot of help from officials to hide that fact . Hell of an athlete for sure ,but he's not a top 5 NBA player .
Great Commentary and overview. Where is the Lebron James impact, in the 60s it was Russell, in the 70s it was a combination of teams, in the 80’s it was Bird and Magic, in the 90’s it was Mj, in the 2000s it was Duncan, Kobe and Shaq, and from 2014 to 2022 it was the Warriors. The man has never dominated a era, nor created a dynasty and absolutely none of his championship teams is in the top 5 of the greatest assembled teams in NBA history. The common denominator for the top five through eight of the greatest players in NBA history was the winning, passion, team play and yes my friend coachability. Mj separated himself because he was special is why he is the GOAT. Lebron James lacks coachability, team play and the burning passion it takes to be great.
Very well said!
Kobe sounded like MJ. LeBron sounded like Tony Romo, haha!
It's doubly unacceptable and 'penalized' if you're the 'leader of the team' and 'in the GOAT discussion'.
His lack of effort, hustle, his pouting, and complaining is simply unacceptable.
He's a regular Joe who the media hyped up because the NBA was desperate to find a new face
He was never a regular joe lol. He was a savant player in HS.
@@upfulsoul826
A savant with horrible fundamentals 21 years later?
@@upfulsoul826hes not a savant he was jus bigger and athletic that doesn't make u kno the game in and out. Give me his size and u would've seen a savant.
Bingo
@@relicdad88 Keep dreaming...you regular Joe lol.
Damn right!!!! This video couldn’t be clearer! Why do you think he has endured so long in the league????
every team needs to downgrade their players to accomodate LeSystem, Dwade was better scorer but became a set up guy, Bosh and Klove did post work but became mid range shooters so LeBulldozer can do his patented drives and rebound padding. Today DLo cant play PG because LeBird has anointed himself as 'great passer'
Preach Bro
Kobe acts exactly like Jordan in that interview.
Trinity of the NBA = Magic,Bird,Jordan. Everyone else falls short of the glory.
Yep! I'd take Duncan at 4. #5 (center)is tough. Wilt, Kareem, Russel, Walton, Sabonis, Olajuwan.
@@Tuvok_Shakur exactly! !!!
@@crackerjack9320 Whoa whoa - no Bill Laimbeer!?🤣
@@bruce4303 😂
@@GenghisClaus I am glad to see that you have Walton there. When he was healthy he definitely belongs there.
Travelling, carrying the ball, double dribbling, flopping, illegal screens, offensive fouls with his arm. You name it, he does it. Multiple times per game, every game.
This is pretty much the exact argument Ive given for years.
Im sorry, if you get demoralized and basically give up in the middle of the game or if you half-a$$ it, youre automatically disqualified from the GOAT debate,
He's all about business and personal stats. Different outlook.
Great clip of Kobe. That was his character.
yeah MJ never cared anything business related . especially if you ignore all of his side deals with mcdonalds, nike, various commercials, space jam, owning an nba team, being an executive or anything like that.
he definitely didn't care about personal stats either.
@@richgreene5038 Aren't you the guy that goes around calling people haters? 😂
Jordan didn't let business affect his game.
@@Epicentr Jordan literally got so far in his own head that he retired early twice. How much more can your game be affected than quitting?
@@JonSmith-hk1bq You might wanna pick up a writing class at your local community college or something. I have no idea what you're trying to say. 😬
@@Epicentr Are you not aware that Jordan retired early twice?
Michael Jordan is artwork . ... Kobe is artwork also... LeBron is basketball , just basketball!and of the 450 NBA players, few are artists, poetry in motion... Most are players, good and bad players, but there are few artists....LeBron is a 21st century player where the advantages and evolution of human science means that someone, who treats themselves and takes care of their body, can have a longer career. And if LeBron at this "advanced" age still plays, why doesn't he have more titles than Jordan?
LeBron James is a disease.
You can compare effort and work effort of old man Jordan and old James.
Before Jordan retired, he was still putting up decent numbers and guys half his age were worried about turning on his Air Jordan ego. Jordan, meanwhile, getting black stuff drained from his knee during half time. Jordan was physically toast, but the man is competitiveness.
LeBron...?
@@noneyabizz8337 LeBron is a 21st century player where the advantages and evolution of human science means that someone, who treats themselves and takes care of their body, can have a longer career. And if LeBron at this "advanced" age still plays, why doesn't he have more titles than Jordan?
@@goncalosilvapereira6790 modern players do not go after the ball like they use to, check Rodman replays. And LeBron removes himself from games and as you can see here, often expends no effort.
That alone will preserve a body, he's no more special than any other top tier athlete.
@@noneyabizz8337 " we play the game to win! "
LeBron is a pampered diva with a high school education, and from what I heard a pretty low SAT score. You mix those both, I’m not surprised he can’t articulate his responses well and acts like a spoiled child who can’t take accountability.
If he had followed up his 4th quarter collapses against the 2011 mavericks with not just a few championships on stacked teams, but with becoming a really tough, savvy veteran who gives it his all on both ends of the court until his latter years I’d have a lot of respect for him even with him not being in the goat discussion above MJ.
But the way he has become this guy
over the past 6-7 seasons who sits out 25-30 games a season, doesn’t get back on or gives up on D, gives up on his team, takes no personal accountability for losses, and the years of ridiculous flopping while being built like a friggin tank has really soured me on him. He’s also 6’9” with almost no post game moves either, which is baffling to me. Plus, he never became a real closer, which is what always made him lower on the rating scale to me because guys like Kyrie were the shot makers in crunch time on his best teams.
Lebron to me is like Scottie Pippen on steroids, and… perhaps actual steroids in his case too. His mentality is a lot closer to Scottie’s than MJ’s and I know you know what I mean by that.
The moment Lebron put on that Lakers uniform, made me lose all respect for him. This made me realize what kind of a pathetic excuse for a basketball player Lebron James truly is
Idk any of lebrons teammates that have had good things to say about him. Kobe over lebron. Thank you for this video.
He is only good for stats but even his stats are inflated. Alot of uncontested layups (and still missing a bunch of easy ones), alot of cherry picking, alot of assist when he passes the ball and his teammate makes three dribbles to the hoop and it is still an assist: what a joke.
There’s a lot of players I’d rather have on my team to win other than Lequeen
One thing that's not gonna show on the stat sheet that greats have that Bron doesn't is grit. Consider the 2013 and 2014 NBA Finals. Duncan and the Spurs took a massive tumble and collapse in 2013. If it were any other team, that would be curtains for everybody involved because it was such a bad way to lose. But then again, they ran it back the next season, almost with the exact same crew and finally brought it home in the 2014 playoff against the same team that humiliated them. Persistance and determination account for a lot and Bron just doesn't have that. When the going gets tough, Bron get's going... as far away as possible.