BIRACIAL VS BLACK: Is There A Difference? | STRANGER FRUIT | S1E12
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2023
- Join Donovan, Constanza Eliana and some special guests for a thought-provoking conversation exploring the complexities, challenges and preconceptions surrounding biracial identity. In this episode, we delve into the impact of biracial representation on the Black community and unpack the nuances of race and identity with Shayvawn, Dr. Donna, Alex Copeland, Nikki Valentine, "Juice" Pierce, Tiffanie McKinnon, Florangel Reyes and Isaam Sharef.
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Featuring: Dr. Donna Oriowo (@dr.donnaoriowo), Nikki Valentine (@inikkivalentine), Shayvawn Webster, Isaam Sharef (@isaamsharef), Alex Copeland (@msalexrae), Florangel Reyes (@flowerreyez) and Juice Nochas (@juic3_nochas3r)
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Constanza Eliana Chinea: Producer, Co-Host
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Biracial people are bi racial and should have their own identity and spaces. There’s nothing wrong with that..
Yes I agree
100%
About time 👏
Right! Because they are tryna be identified as solely one race and that's hurts them. Like you're not just one race, so stop stressing us with your identity issues and embrace all of yourself.
What is a community? Music, food, culture, clothing.?
Bi-racial people are Bi-Racial with their own unique experiences. We as black people should accept and respect it. Great discussion 👍🏾
What own experiences? When they look Black? I'm not delusional I can see with my eyes, they can't pass for white.
Black people aren't the problem. Too many of them are in your face with "I'M A BLACK PERSON!!!!"
I got bullied because my mom is mixed and I look half white and my voice sounds like a white woman’s. Black people need to stop thinking that blackness is in a drop because that law was really meant to insult blacks and keep them out of white spaces. I love black people but many of them do not understand biracial simply means the black gene is now perverted. If you have kids with a biracial person they now have white dna it’s that simple. Black people need to stop claiming biracial people as black it’s basically saying to the world that blackness is disgusting. Think about it. Also if you have a kid with biracial people the slave ancestry (white genes dormant in black people) will now show up. The kid could have blue or green eyes.
@badgirlhollywood9741 okay biracial people are Black and can't pass for white. If you look Black you'll be treated as Black.
Nah❤ we’re black. Cry about it🤷🏽♂️
We need a biracial community so our voices can be heard and not looked at with annoyance because people think we’re taking their spaces.
Thats the white part of you talking
Opp
How does that even make sense
@@MrMakingcake They way black people cling to biracials 😂
and then y'all turn around and complain about colorism
Maybe black people should find their own accomplishments and stop using biracials for clout if you're going to treat them like prisoners.
Thats crazy..
I’m biracial. When I was in school elementary middle and even in high school my teachers would take my exam sheets from state standardized testing and erase other and bubble in black for ethnicity. I have one white parent and one black parent. I’m not just black. I’m biracial I’m both.
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😢 Fax
Wth, that is weird. Why do they feel the need to do that.
Hahaha, I always checked two boxes or the OTHER box.
This is silly. Two Black parents = Black; One NB and one Black = Biracial and so on.
yea I'm confused the lady in the light brown jacket is a black person with mixed ancestry not biracial. I guess living in NYC would have you confused like that.
LOL
Simple true breakdown
@@vixensiren248 I was confused at first too but then another person let a comment that made sense. She said black - biracial meaning one black parent and one biracial parent.
@Vixen Siren yeah, the math seemed off. I've heard blackish ppl like the kenya barris show might be classified as mixed, but the term biracial involves certain percentages that don't align with hers
As a blk woman it is insulting and a damn shame that this question even has to be asked!
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As a biracial woman it's an exhausting conversation.
Why do we have to accept everyone. Most mixed race people have more white genes, because of mitochondrial dna, which comes from the mother. Therefore, if you dig up their corpses in 100 years, they will be the same as their mother.
take your cracka ass on and mind your bizness you aint Black@@Silly_Hobbit_Twix_Are_4_Squids
This is why people should stick to their own, all this mixing is just passing down confusion to the next generation for no damn reason. If u are black, procreate with that, if u are white, Hispanic or whatever do the same less confusion on kids. I'm yet to meet a biracial kids that's not confused af, and trying to find who they are and where they belong.
Black and biracial experiences can be similar, but they're not the same.
The black experience is vast you can chop it up however you want but biracial people are consider black here in America not matter how white they look
Yep it’s all depending where you live! Im in Uk & if you live out of London black is black. I had loads of racism growing up & was called black. Then going to Africa, I was called white. Then seen to be mixed In london. Honestly tho, I genuinely don’t care enough. I’ve got bills to pay.
I have to ask honestly...what do biracial people experience that fully Black people never can? Having a white parent and relatives is something that happens to fully Black people as well, though not nearly as often, obviously. Two white parents instead of one white parent because of adoption. I've looked at all the experiences and there's really nothing we can go through that fully Black people cannot also experience. But the other way, there are things they go through that we never will. But I feel this is more about phenotype than having two Black parents. Sometimes in these conversations I feel the voices of monoracial Black people who had white parents and relatives gets erased. People will say things like "I'm not biracial. I don't know what it's like to have a white parent" as though there are no fully Black people with white parents.
I also want to say that I want a Black American Child Protection Act so that white people can no longer adopt Black children. It's not okay. It causes so much harm.
@@yasminogbu8929Everyone light skinned is called "white" but it doesn't mean actually white. eg Albino is often the same word for white.
The idea of “safety” only plays a role sometimes. But let’s be real, most of the time; people just want to know because they’re nosey. It instantly gives them insight so they can make certain assumptions about you. Same reason why folks act like they need to know your sexuality, dating status, or job.
Agreed. Men especially ask what are you when fetishizing folks.
Look I’m a dark skinned black woman, my experience in and outside the community is NOT the same as a biracial person. Hard stop
Right!
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Done ✔️
Colorism is highly intensified these days
You’re right, it’s much easier for you considering you have full acceptance from both of your parent’s families and the black community. You may not be a beautiful, but beauty is not as much of a privilege as acceptance
This is exactly why biracial people should identify as biracial or multiracial because instead of opting into blackness and just accepting an experience that may not be your experience. You are able to move the conversation for the world to better understand how to approach you and understand you.
I completely agree!
Preach.
Thank you - everyone needs to categorize you into one race so they can figure out how to judge you. If I am not allowed to check both boxes - i check OTHER until they recognize us.
They don’t opt into blackness, they have no choice. Even when they’re the product of a white womb they still say they’re black. Let’s be honest, they’re not allowed to claim whiteness, because they won’t accept them. Therefore black people who are vociferous in claiming mixed people are shameless.
This is pure irony because children inherit more genetic material from their mother. Mitochondrial dna is only passed through the mother, but we all poses it. Our cells cannot function without it.
Dig up a body in a thousand years, isolate their mitochondrial dna, and you only find the mother!
In the UK mixed race is a separate category. I don’t understand the American logic.
@@moonchild1686 so how do we treat biracials?
Everytime this conversation is brought up I go back to a situation I was in with a guy who was half Black. We were cool and just got out of the BSU but then on our way to catch the bus from school we got into a tense situation with some white boys and he switched up real quick. One second it was "Black power, and " We're one people" but the moment he got to step into his privilege he was biracial and I was Black. It was very clear that he was Black when convenient and could step out of it if and when given the chance but I was confined into that oppression alone 24/7. So yes when I notice other Black people ask what someone is I understand because in that moment the level of hurt and betrayal I felt was insane and even worse the gaslighting he did to try justify how he was so happy to become my oppressor in a heartbeat, I couldnt forgive so that friendship died. This is exactly what happened in many African countries with biracial children. I'm from Cameroon and our colonerzier had this "rape the negro out of the African" campaign when they set up posts for the sole purpose of sexually exploiting Black Women and girls and biracial children born were to be kept for further raping so to breed out all visible traces of Blackness. During tense times many biracial people would weaponize their proximity to the culture to get in and when their White daddies came back they would be first inline to snitch, and turn on any and everyone. If you look at the wealth in my country today after colonization the biracial population segregates itself from the Black population and interbreed and don't associate with the Black people because they believe their white ancestry makes them better and us by default inferior. It's honestly a battle because although biracial people dont choose their identity , neither do we and so to say they are without privilege is insane and also to be lumped into a community with someone who can and has historicallly been shown to potentially be your oppressor, Black people have valid concerns. I'm just annoyed that most of the mixed people who visually present as such in the conversation didn't want to grapple with that fact and instead wanted the narrative to be about their struggles and qaulms with the process of racialization as it pertains to them. Nobody is saying you don't go through things but if white people don't have to care about your struggles, and some are your relatives, why is it then the burdon of all Black people to do so if you won't even acknowledge your participation in our oppression.
WOW! This is such a great, nuanced perspective. To know what the colonizers did in Cameroon is f*cking insane. Thank you for sharing this!
What a great post, pin this
@@strangerfruituniverseshould be pinned
This is, honestly, one of THE best comments on this video, and deserves way more likes. Your last sentence especially...
This post just made my head explode. I read in college that free mixed slaves turned in hundreds of Black slaves that escaped during the Fugitive Slave Act during slavery in the U.S. I have personally experienced the weaponization of mixed race privilege, mainly from women. Valid point.
I’m sorry, but the comment section made me tear up. I’m biracial, and normally it is always a group of people telling me that I’m just black, or how when a racist sees me, I am colored and the worst kind because they will think I am mixed with white. But I am mixed with Japanese. Anyhow, seeing soooo many amazing comments basically telling me that it is ok to be who I am is refreshing. I’ve never came across more than 2 people to say anything that is in the comments. Even the ones pushing us out lol, i know they mean well and they are right. Should I claim full black when I have never experienced those hardships. I understand all black people will not have the same experience, but the ones that do, tend to dislike me claiming I’m just black. I haven;t smiled and geared up through a comment section before and it is cheesy. But i am appreciative. I don’t want to act like my mother or father do not exist. When I tried to be just black and relate,i changed my clothes and style, mannerisms…for like a month… because everyone called me out on it and said it just isn;t me. I can’t do that because it is slightly insulting. Then the people who stated that it isn’t right to just jump in and out when it is convenient. They are right. Now if you are biracial and grew up in certain cultural areas and it is all you know then, that is different. But like for me, I grew up thinking racism didn’t exist. I found out it did the last couple of years. But thank you to the commenters that understand that biracial needs it’s own place. So we can feel safe and comfortable with who we are.
I'm a senior citizen. It's saddens me to see that people are still having this conversation. My best friend is Japanese and black. My grandson is black and white. I truly hope that they do not have to go through a lifetime of people trying to analyze who they are, who they should become, and where they belong.
There’s definitely a difference, if you’re mixed acknowledge that.
@@jays-move8803 depends. In some cases you can be disinherited. Such as some cases with royal heritage. If you come from more than one Dynasty culturally you gotta be an idiot to be like nah I’m not the prince of the Vikings because of my skin color💀
@@jays-move8803 you're just going to continue to be invalidated lol
What about people who are not mixed but present that way because of some rape of the ancestors. Many people assume I’m mixed of Spanish however both my parents are black.
The thing is all I’m of us are mixed! We are not 100% black . Take a ancestry test and you will see. Biracial means your father or mother is either white or black and they aren’t the same ethnicity.
Black people need to accept that acknowledgment. Black people tell me” girl you black “ people get mad if you say mixed like you’re denying your blacknessb
I just want to say that I think Donovan is a treasure. He is engaging, he pulls you in, and with his personality he leaps off of the screen. It’s like he’s in front of me having a conversation. He is rare.
Omg thank you so much. That means a lot. I really appreciate you taking the time to share such a nice note. ♥️
I totally agree. He is captivating in ways that create space for others to share authentically. I am so thankful for this type of content.
I agree that man is national treasure. This was the most educated, peaceful , professional piece I’ve seen in years. I think they should have part 2 and 3. Just to educates the audience more because this was so good. I too have my own experience. I grew up in a black and Indian family. I was darker complexion, than my other siblings, I was the slave, my brother who is darker then me, had “ the pretty Indian hair” got you’ve called good looking and I was just ugly with dry nappy hair etc it was chaotic growing up in my family but life turn things around man, I am grateful.
I am a 69 year old Black woman, and I have to say that my mind is completely blown away that in 2023, people are in this space, when it comes to skin color. I was born in the cornerstone state and city as it relates to colorism, New Orleans, Louisiana. However, thankfully, I wasn't raised there because I might have developed a complex about my brown skin. Although, my mother would point to the fact that I was her darkest child; however, she didn't treat me any differently than my siblings because of my skin color. I was the youngest, and had a different father than My siblings. My sister was very light and even had blond kinky hair when she was born, and based on pictures, she had that color of hair until probably the age of 9. I never ever, to my recollection, wanted to be her color. All Black people that are descendents of black enslaved people, stolen from Africa, have a percentage, albeit small, of European DNA. When I was coming up, children that had parents of two different races, were referred to as mixed. Not mixed race, but just "mixed". I don't remember there ever being any questions by other children, regarding those children's race. I am disheartened, that this issue of skin color within the black community is still going on. Truthfuly speaking, growing up, I didn't hear as much about colorism as I do now. This issue is just one of the many things that is related to the trauma of slavery. Even though, I never felt what it's like to physically be a slave, my pyche is a whole other story. During Covid, and as a result of Trump's presidency who gave white people permission to be openly racist, and voting rights being on the chopping block, I learned more about racism against black people throughout history in the United States. Aftering listening to the audio version of the book, "Twelve Years a Slave", and as it was a true accounting of his life, after being sold into slavery as he had not been born into slavery, made me realize the STAIN of slavery had affected my life. I had never realized that on a semi-conscious level, that I had felt shame and guilt knowing that I come from formally enslaved people. I logically know that this may not make sense, but emotionally, I feel the weight of what my ancestors had to experience. When I first had heard the theory, that Black Americans are suffering from PTSD as a result of slavery, it made no sense to me. However, now, I feel differently. All the things that Black Americans have suffered through --- slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, discrimination, red lining, etc, it's amazing that we have survived.
My skin turns brown in Summer with enough sunlight, does that make me a different race just because I have more melanin?
@@Sannypowa Melanin doesn’t exist. The color of your skin is determined by the level of carbon in your body.
I appreciate your comment coming from a different generation. I also feel like the colourism has gotten excessive and sometimes I'm tired of hearing about it and experiencing it. At a young age I didn't feel any different than my black friends until people started pointing things out, I truly felt like a black girl that's how I identified. Now I try to just stick to being me because people's perception gets complicated and I just don't want to deal with it. Many of us mixed or light skin people just feel like we didn't ask for any of this. Growing up I wanted to be darker because I felt I could fit in bettwr but now I just want to embrace who I am.
You talk about lynching. Sicilians have been beaten up in the past for welcoming blacks in their own shops because my people are generous, very hospitable and we treat everyone as equal and we were also considered worse than blacks. Your people are not the only ones who struggled in the past.
@@Sannypowa I didn't realize that this was a competition. My comments are about colorism and how Black Americans' psyches are still tied to the trauma of slavery. I am in no way negating the struggles of others, but this conversation is centered around colorism within the Black community.
I'm dark skinned and Black.I am constantly ask where I am from and what I'm mixed with. I have natural real long hair. Ive had the horrible experience of having other Blacks try to decide if my hair is real and threaten to cut it off. Light skin and/or Biracial women are not the only ones who go through these things.
From your picture you look multiracial.
But that’s not a general experience of a darkskin black girl tho. When having these discussions as in the video we’re always speaking in general. It doesn’t meN your experience doesn’t exist, it just means that it isn’t as common as for biracials.
Are you Eritraen or Somali?
@@rl.8011we aren’t talking about dark-sinned women . Y’all aren’t the only ones who go through ish. We aren’t going to dim our lights for y’all! Get over it
thanks
I don't understand why they need to choose at all, why isn't it okay for biracial to acknowledge the fact that they do have two different cultures. The only people that benefits from this idea of having to choose are white individuals. It makes no sense for black children to grow up an watching biracial children be called black, knowing there's a difference and not able to verbally acknowledge it. I wonder if that contributes to any cognitive dissonance for both black children and biracial children in not being able to acknowledge reality. In the words of iyanla "call a thing a thing." I don't blame Meghan's mom for how she raised her, she is biracial and that's the reality of the situation. I will go as far to say black people calling her black and calling her son who is 1/4 black as "the first black person in the monarchy" is highly disturbing and a continuation of the one drop mentality. Those children look white ASF, the same rules apply for drake's son who is a 1/4 black. Black people perpetuates colorism and maintains it and get upset when light skinned and biracial people cash in.
This is america you are always going to have to choose. When they ask your race on electronic forms they only allow you to select one. How you choose to identify is a personal choice. Let’s call a thing a thing as you said. Half of your family/ancestors are dangerous to the other half! When going to a mixed person events, you may be cool, your parents may be cool, but them white grandparents, aunts ,uncles, cousins may not be. Just think of the blk guy who went hunting with a yt co-worker and never made it back. Yt ppl don’t have racist written on their forehead. Listen to mandi b on her podcast “see the thing is” her yt family disowned her mother because she was mixed. To act like the yt side doesn’t have a dangerous history to your black side is delusional. So yes we have to temp check to see if you are friend or foe.
@@andrayawilliams602 Thank you. i'm yt af filled with my indigenous blood and everything that comes with it. am i wrong in thinking thay biracial means also yt? Racism was designed by the destroyers of earth, so that to me is not a culture.
I completely agree
So why everyone call Obama the first black president when his mother is white. Please leave colour alone.
What happens when you are genetically biracial but culturally not? Not every mixed person experiences both sides of the family. Some people get rejected.
PLEASE let there be a second part to this video!!!! I'm a white-passing biracial, and I absolutely adored this conversation. It is true that as biracial, we really don't have a space for us to speak on our own racial experiences. However, being that we tend to attract more eyes and ears, due to Eurocentric standards of beauty (and our proximities to whiteness, of course), we end becoming the "bigger" voices in speaking on issues (Mariah Carey, Colin Kaepernick, Jesse Williams Zendaya, Amandla Stenberg, Barack Obama, etc). We are able to infiltrate white spaces, and white people will half-ass listen to us, so we feel the duty to do as much as we can to shake the table. One thing about us "whiter" biracials is that because white people always just assume we them too, they let their guards down, and we get to hear what they REALLY think. I can't even recall all the times white people have openly talked about black people negatively to me and expected me to agree. That's when I love to remind them that I am, in fact, BLACK. And it's wild how they will then become the offended party. I can't also say that black people have never made me feel anything less than welcome. And I do all I can to be a safe space for them. I was raised in the 90s & 2000s (born in late 1986), so I am very steeped in black culture. It's like, even though I look like a white boy, I don't "see myself," so I "consider" (for lack of a better word) myself black. But I am VERY aware the white privilege I have, especially having a darker-skinned brother (whom was often villainized). I'm rambling, but thank you for making this video/holding this conversation.
I have seen a documentary about bi-racial people and depending on what side of the family they grew up on is what they identify as. Most of the ones who grew up with their white family identified as white regardless of how their skin looked. Which is understandable. So I ask.
Thank you! All great points!
Yes it's horrifying being white passing when you work in corporate white merica and They think that only people like them are in the room and that's when you get to hear how vile it gets. It makes me violently ill because they're talking about my family. I've walked out of many jobs because of it but not before telling them. Who I am and how sick they are making me. And also in a time and place where I could call the labor board and they took it seriously and did fine some companies. Not that that was gonna make any difference but I did what I knew how to do at the time without having any support from my non white families that I had been separated from and desperately needed teachings from so that I wouldn't feel horrible about being who I am. I'm a lot older now and have made many of those connections and have integrated many healing experiences. Getting the real teachings so that everything that I am makes sense to me is the only reason I have wellness including the mental part.
The speaker with the blond dreads didn’t get the memo. I had a gigantic eye roll listening to her. As a light complected BW, I knew better. Thanks for your perspective.
Light and love to you, family! I also would love to see a part 2, because I read a lot of history and I think there are some fascinating points of discussion that weren’t necessarily touched on in this one (no shade, just saying there's enough content in our past for many videos!). In "The Cooking Gene," by Michael Twitty, the author (a Great Migration type of Black person, e.g. ancestors came from U.S. South and moved north- though they ended up sort of in the middle) noted that though his family now is largely Black-presenting, his grandfather's generation had a significant number of white-passing folks in it. And that's actually how my great-grandmother's generation was in my family, on my dad's side. So I think our history supports a flexibility when it comes to engaging with phenotype. Just another demonstration of the fact that Black go deeper than skin, when it comes to culture and community, even if the world labels us racially black (note the lowercase 'b') based on how we look.
I really appreciate this conversation and agree with both sides. Let me just say, from my own experience as someone who is mixed race, something that often happens is that people will tell you that you belong with white people, but white people don’t want us around either, except to have an easy target they feel safe enough to be racist towards. So it's a constant struggle to find your place and it messes with your sense of identity because the options are limited for you. My siblings and I have felt so much despair over this because it's like being told that you're meant to be trapped in an abusive cycle. I totally agree that biracial people are different and we deserve our own spaces where we can express ourselves and find community. And Black people also deserve to protect their identity and their spaces and not have to just accept everyone in. I understand it all. I just wish things could be less complicated.
It could be once biracial (black+white) will create their own space/community. That includes giving yourself your own name, because biracial doesn’t necessarily specify which races your mixed with. Many black+Asian biracial people have named themselves Blasians. You can maybe call yourself blite/whick? Idk haha be creative
Interesting conversation
@@rl.8011I think it would be MORE beneficial for anyone who is half black, get with other half black biracial ppl weather they are half Asian, half black or half white half black, all have a similar experience where there black side took center stage in most of their lives.
Not to stir feathers here too much (most light black thing I could say) but I'm biracial black/white- and I love the term mulatto because it's the only one that I can think of which accurately describes what we are in one word, and I have ancestors who were listed as "mulatto" in their records, which makes me think that it is a kind of cultural heritage. I know that there's a negative connotation to that word, which makes me want to reclaim it as a point of pride. @@rl.8011
@@rl.8011 We're called Black-white biracial. That is what we are called. And we're not separate from the monoracial Black community. Our families and relatives are in it.
I'm 63. I think this is really about numbers. When I was growing up, there were not many biracial people around. They considered themselves Black and were part of the Black community. No problem. Today there are a lot more biracial people and today they want to be recognized as biracial. Some will say, "I'm NOT Black, I'm biracial." The problem comes when biracial people will claim "Black" for their own benefit. My two cents.
What are the benefiting out of claiming that they're black if they r black thats what they r unless their not black than ok by end of the day we r people n we all bleed red
Mariah Carey being considered black will ALWAYS be the most unserious thing to me. Idc.
Because you haven't read her book, you don't know the first thing about her, you generally don't know what being biracial is. You've not bothered to learn and to study. All you do is look. Past your eyes lies your brain. Start there.
@@jays-move8803 I know what biracial is, it's not black. The same way it's not white. Experiencing racism, doesn't mean you're black
@R L. Actually it does. Read about the light skinned/white passing black people in American history. Ertha Kitt, Rosa Parks, Dorothy Dandridge.. Take Malcom X for example. He was biracial but if you were to ever ask him he would tell you he's black. Thing is, it didn't matter if a person had a non-black parent..light skinned were still treated just as harshly as dark skinned blacks. It's the history behind it.
@@riaa8689 1. There's a difference between lightskin black people and biracial/mixed race people. They're not the same.
2. Being treated as black, doesn't mean you are black. In the carribean and Latin America (and most places outside of US), biracials aren't perceived/treated as black, just simply as biracial/mixed. In some places in Africa they're even perceived as white. So why don't you just say biracials are white then, since according to you someone's race if defined by what they're perceived as?
3. Biracials aren't treated like black ppl in all of America. If you look into the history of biracials you would see that they were already perceived/treated different from black ppl during slavery. The term used back then was halfblood or mulatto. Black slaves had to do the hard work in the field and biracials were houseslaves.
@R L. Actually, biracial blacks are treated no different from dark skinned blacks. You don't sound like someone that knows American culture. You should ask people like Alicia Keys, Halle Berry or Barak Obama why they consider themselves blacks. Edit: mulatto was used as a derogatory word against biracial ppl during the 18th and 19th century America btw.
Dr. Donna is speaking facts about not being able to read oxygen levels in darker skin accurately, I gave birth in 2020, I told nurses and doctors I could not breathe, they would check my oxygen levels and say I was good but I kept telling them I felt like an elephant was on my chest, fast forward to 5 days after giving birth and 2 days after being discharged I ended up in ER because I still couldn’t breathe, after doing an X-ray they saw that my lungs were filled with fluid and I was immediately readmitted, a white, woman, obgyn came and apologized for sending me home after I told them I couldn’t breathe
The whole child-bearing process for Black, dark-skinned women is terrifying! We are so glad that you are ok and ALIVE to share your story. Thank you for sharing. 🖤
I am so sorry that you weren’t heard and experienced such a scary, unnecessary postpartum emergency. I am so happy that you are still here to tell your story 🙏🏾
@@strangerfruituniverse Black nurses are aware and trying to address this, we are interested in starting funding for black birthing centers. I am also pushing black nurses and women to get their doula certifications to assit bw during birth at home or in hospitals to advocate for their healthcare.
I'm an RN. If u were on a regular med/surg floor, they would have taken an xray to see what the issue was. In L&D and OB/GYN floors, it's hard for them to look outside their "box" and deal with ur unrelated medical isdues. I think it's laziness on their part. Unrelated medical issues, I think, freaks them out, and they don't want to deal or r really overwhelmed by them.
I've seen it with RNs from those specialties as well.. It's as tho they suffer from tunnel vision. They don't consider the whole patient. They only focus on their specialty. It's not an excuse. I hope that makes sense.
Thk God u went back and got the help u needed.
You can look in the throat to look at the mucosa there to see the cyanosis is dark black skin. So that was a easy simple thing they could have done.
There is no biracial Black, you are BIRACIAL. She says Black people defining Blackness for ourselves is paramount but then leans on the One Drop Rule Black people didn't make?
This so western, my Zambia audience will agree that as a country we have embraced the biracial people as they are and everyone recognizes that they also have different shades of skin color depending on who they are mixed with. I have never even seen a document that wants you to specify your race it's wild to me damn.
Same goes for the Carribean countries/Islands
Not western, American. Every country has different history obviously.
As an African with pure blood Ghanaian heritage dated back centuries. Yes there is a complete difference within society and social media. Only Americas claim mixed to be black but in the uk there are a completely separate category
Exactly
Something to do with the "One Drop Rule"..........
Every culture is different, but I like that Black America claims its mixed-raced folks as Black. Blackness is more than just phenotype, at least for me. Most of us, mono-racial or not, have some whiteness in our family, due to consensual and, sadly, nonconsensual couplings dating back to the bondage our ancestors suffered under. I'm glad we claimed those mixed babies then and I'm glad we claim them now. It's room under the tent for everybody🖤
@@ADubbs-fd8xf sounds good but honestly it’s created a lot of confusion!
@@ADubbs-fd8xf if you accept anyone, then you’re not using discernment, or protecting your image.
Blackness is also about shared culture and experiences, based on a journey through the world.
After slavery most mixed race people were and are the products of BM and WW. Your mother is your first teacher, and those mixed people are often raised in fatherless homes, especially in the UK. Even if the father is present, he’s desperately trying to run away from his blackness. A WW cannot impart any blackness to her mixed child.
It’s not fair for Black people to have to share their space with people who can bounce in and out of our community or claim being black when it’s convenient for example, the girl who is an actress who talks about taking advantage of her privileges
Fact, this is why white people has never accepted biracial as “white” only us accepted them.
I mean y’all gotta make up your mind then. Keep getting them abortions if ya wanna. You want more dark skinned Black people then you gotta reproduce.
A color is not a community. A community is whoever you live Around and are in communion with
I agree
Or share spaces with people who consider themselves a geographical region...because they go from being Caribbean or African...then black when it's convenient or on the news everyone's black who looks black even if they themselves don't consider themselves black...we definitely need to separate ourselves from these bouncers
Why arent biracials having this conversation with their white family publicly?
Black people don't want other non black people to defend our spaces. We don't need our racial identity to be hijacked. We can define ourselves.
We are so divided that we are opening a door that can't be close.
"black'" and "mixed" Americans obsession with "race" is why you both will always be crabs in a barrel together..other cultures embraced their "mixed" people because of the same cultural roots, you Americans on the other hand, "race"/phenotype is your "culture". Just like the colonizers wanted.
Non Black means someone with zero Black parents. That is honestly, truly, what it means.
This is for Shayvawn Webster that spoke about Meghan Markle. Presenting as a mixed race person in a Black family where your mum is the only biracial and everyone else is Black is not the same as BEING a biracial family. Meghan grew up with a Black mother and a domineering White father who was her first provider before Tyler Perry. His money sent her through private school and she lived with him throughout her teenage years. Asking her to say she is just Black, to make you feel good, when she literally has a white father is ridiculous. Meghan Markle is biracial.
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@Niola B So why she's saying something now? And mothers like the one Meghan has, is the kind of people I do not trust.
Doesn’t “bi” mean two? Most people are multiracial even if you are brown skin. I think black people are too obsessed with segregating each other.
@@scorpnar no, we are trying to claim black back and stop everyone from claiming it when really they are not black, it actually hurts and just weird. Why isn’t there such with other races, just claiming to be white cos you are half white?
Shayvawn gets it ❤ Black people are allowed to protect blackness and preserve it.
We need to protect and preserve our blackness. Just because white people refuse to accept the mixed offspring of the WW womb, it doesn’t mean we have to accept them.
Being mixed race is not a slur or an insult. Only a fool would dismiss half of their genetic material.
What does protecting blackness mean? There’s like 1.5 billion in the world. More blacks than whites by hundreds of millions.
The only problem with that is. What is blackness, and do black Americans fit in that category. Because black Americans have a biracial heritage experience. Black Americans are not pureblood West Central Africans. Although some of us look like it, and then others do not. That is what makes our ethnic group astoundingly unique. If you were what you say. And look at Blackness in terms of west-central Afrocentric looks, then you would literally have to get rid of Frederick Douglass, who by the way is the de-facto father of the Black American community. The American Community is the race of Frederick Douglass... As you know he is a bi-racial man..
Very difficult to do that. Black Americans is an ethnic group. As well as a racial group. It's interchangeable.
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@@bobbyschannel349 being multigenerational mixed from slavery is not the same as having a non-black parent/grandparent(s)…like at all.
This conversation was so affirming and calming to me.
Not to be dramatic, but my entire childhood/young adulthood has been an identity crisis. I’m a Black biracial, but I can’t pass as white in the states. To make matters more confusing, I am first generation African American. My Blackness is tied to my Luo ethnicity.
As the daughter of an American white women, there were certain social ques that I was able to pick up on, but as the daughter of a Kenyan Black man, my dad didn’t really play that shit; so I grew up identifying as Black.
Growing up, I floated between race groups easily because of my proximity to whiteness, and often had different groups of friends. However, my two most significant childhood friends were Black or Black biracial (non-white passing), and I did grow up with heavy influence from the southern Black community socially.
Adding my geographical location, being in the south, many people in my predominantly white town adhere to the one drop rule (loudly and quietly). Needless to say, my environment also encouraged me to claim Black.
I didn’t, until my adulthood, start to question the damage that could be done by not also identifying as biracial.
I believe that conversations like this will help define what it is to be Black AND live a biracial/light skin experience.
Some of this is tough to hear. I’m biracial, half black and half white, but I have pure white skin, there is no indication im black. However, my mother was disowned when she married my father and I was raised exclusively with my black family. A lot of this makes me sound like a villain that needs to pass a test in order to be accepted. Why do I have to fit in your box? It’s almost like I need to have approval on what I can do based on my skin color
Just because you look black doesn’t mean you are black. The Latin X community can pick and choose if they are black. So asking what are you and how do you identify, determines if you are allowed to say nword and the conversations I will have. I don’t speak on certain black issues around other communities or ppl who don’t identify as black.
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In my opinion. We Latinos/ Hispanic see ourselves as mixed race . Most of us have family members who look racially different. So we go by nationality over race.
Is black people need to start gatekeeping Blackness instead of accepting everyone and anyone because they "feel like it". Phenotype is not a feeling and this is not a joke.
@@megatrongodzilla8895 that’s you! It’s a lot of y’all who say you are not black and they are as dark as Wesley snipes! So I’m gon ask!
The first thing I need people to do is stop confusing ethnicity with race. Being Puerto Rican or Dominican or whatever is NOT a race. You can be a black or white Puerto Rican…. Also I really don’t feel like it’s a safety issue when black ppl are asking biracials about their race. It’s more of a wanting to belong issue. Black people have the hardest time gatekeeping their race because the more ppl you claim as “black” the more you feel like you belong.
Other races i.e white or Asian know exactly how to gatekeep their race and keep others from infiltrating or claiming their identity. Race is somewhat complicated when it comes to perception. However people make it more complicated than it needs to be. Biracial people should not have to choose or be put into a box. It’s not only dangerous for them but even more so for actual black people when it comes to representation or lack there of.
Keep in mind race and ethnicity doesn't have the same meaning everywhere. No one is confusing anything. It's called discernment and common sense. No point in dwelling on the semantics. You obviously got the point they were making regardless. Race and ethnicity are social constructs and it can mean something different depending on the circumstance. There is nothing genetically significantly about the two. It is the circle, the individual, the society that give them significance and meaning.
27:00 it is stated beautifully at this part in the video about Metizo, for example. We cannot have such an ego to think our definition of identity, race, and ethnicity is the only definition. Get a passport and step out the circle you're in and you'll see it IS complicated. Race and ethnicity not just what YOU say it is. It's like you missed the whole second half of the episode.
No where in the world is nationality considered race
I was saying the same thing. I always hear this and I'm like those aren't races. It's like saying I'm not black I'm American. It doesn't make any sense.
@@Kaisforeignadventures exactly
You are the weighted combination of what your parents are, what you choose to be, and what people see you as. It's rare or impossible that one outweighs the other two.
If you are of a particular age and are foundational black American. You know that in this country no matter how little the fraction of black blood , you were black and passing blacks served an important role of infiltration into white spaces that in many instances saved lives and fed families. It’s very different now.Biracial is a new concept in this country and ultimately divisive. My white passing great aunts always told me as a child that black is not only a color but it is also a heritage and a legacy, at least here in the US. Geography greatly affects this dynamic as well. Coming from a creole section of this country, one learns to discern whites from blacks who present white. When I was growing you could tell white passing blacks from whites by the way observing the demeanor and the eye contact or the lack there of. There were vocal cues that let you know immediately also.
All of this.
People in this video are (1) young and/or (2) non FBA/ADOS and are trying to speak about things they don’t fully understand and in doing so are harming the community, even if unintentionally.
And, if we gatekeep blackness from light-skinned people who might distance themselves from blackness, then why are we not gatekeeping from immigrants Blacks who also have historically distanced themselves from FBA/ADOS while co-opting our culture and benefiting from our struggle? It doesn’t make sense.
Blackness and who is black is not the same conversation as colorism and people keep forgetting that.
Also, an interesting experience is being Black, having two Black parents, neither bi-racial, and still look racially ambiguous but don’t actually have the same experience as a “mixed” or biracial parent, but still having the same privilege as mixed people/light skinned people
That’s literally my experience I’m monoracial w/ a dark skin mom and tandad, yet I came out more pale than my dad with blue eyes and light hair. So mostly people perceive me as mixed, even being so insistent that I am when I say I’m not. So It’s kind of weird going into black spaces and white spaces.
@@Marz859 I would love to hear more about this. Imo the only thing being mixed does uniformly across the board for everybody is provide access in certain points of your life. So if my mom is white, she might be better treated in the hospital during birth. If my dad is white, he might make more. As a child, having a white parent might help and give me access.
They missed the mark totally in this convo by making it all about looks. You can literally come from straight black people and look mixed. My cousins look mixed, one of them even has straight hair. I have friends whose skin is straight up white and both their parents are brown. I don't know why the purposefully leave fair, light-bright, and light skin people out of this.
Talking about being mixed-race is a very difficult subject, and it comes down to a lot of things: mixed because of parents, mixed because of colonialism, looking mixed but not being mixed, and the different and diverse looks of Europeans and of Africans, plus finding out later you were black (i.e. a parent who tried to pass). They are literally conflating being black with being dark (which is incorrect) and being mixed with being light. Also incorrect.
Then it means genetically those Black parents are not 100% Black. It’s not that complicated😂
@@the2ndcoming135 most descendants of those enslaved through the institution of chattel slavery aren’t 100% Black so do we all say we’re mixed?
@@Marz859 You're simply a black person who happens to be lightskin, therefore: a lightstkin black person. That's not the same as being mixed/biracial. The reason you look like that is because a lot of black people have some non-black ancestors.
Let's please stop using lightskin to refer to people who are mixed or bi racial. It is not the same, yet lumped together.
There are black people who are lightskinned (not represented on this panel & usually aren't in these discussions). However, the term lightskin is used interchangeably with being mixed.
Being raised in a black house as a black child is completely different to having access to a non-black parent/family & their culture.
I am a Black American. As in my ancestors come from the USA. thats all i care about. We have colorism but we dont create sperate racial groups based on that. All of this ignorant ass immigrant classification shit has nothing to do with us. Take that BS back to Africa and the Caribbean.
So true. Both my parents were black. My grandmother could pass as her mother could pass. They were born and lived in deep south Georgia. Ugly 🤕 experiences with white people. Their goal was to bring the black back into our DNA. Although I am some fair, I have only known black people of all colors and experienced my life as a black person. I was called a nigger by a white child in first grade and learned about ALL from white children being taught racism. I was told what I am that young and my parents had the talk with me and went to the school. I'll never forget the look of anger on my mother's face when all that went down. She was ready to fight. NO ONE will tell me I am not black or black enough...
Yes!!! Like my mother and sister are BLACK but LIGHT SKINNED. We aren’t MIXED in anyway. She had both black parents and my sister and I are the ones with mixed children, my sister has mixed kids who have a biracial dad and my kids are Afro Arabs. But I’d be damned if someone called my mother mixed because she looks light skinned. She’s as light as the woman in the brown jacket if not lighter.
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So being called that makes you Black? LOL You are multiracial @@meganhenry8345
Meghan is Biracial. This was/is her identity all her life.
She didn't ask all these black people to rally around her or support her. She has every right to identify as a Biracial becuz she IS Biracial, not Black.
I understand and have no problem with what anyone has to say about Megan markle, but she is black AND white. Shayvaun was saying how can she not call herself black and the answer is because shes not. If the black community wants to put on the cape its not her fault.
I've always said that if I if I have biracial kids (not that I have any intentions of doing so), I want them to be aware and have a high-level critical thinking skills about their biracialness. The young lady in the brown coat is the perfect example of that. Frankly, had the majority of biracial people I've met acted, thought and spoke like her, the conversation on this subject would be more advanced. Not understanding that Black People need to verify their safety with you , feeling entitled to black spaces and expecting Black People to welcome you with no questions asked is harmful af.
Precisely, but that’s too much like work lol. Being keenly self aware is something many ppl shy away from bc of what it may reveal. Plus, base level empathy and not viewing spaces and those who inhabit them w thru such a myopic lens is even more work. Then there are those who, try as they might, just don’t have the range.
AS A MIXED-RACE AFRODIASPORAN, IT’S PROGRESSIVE IF AFRODIASPORANS PRACTICE ENDOGAMY BY PAIRING WITH AND PROCREATING WITH OTHER AFRODIASPORANS.
@@afrodiasporanews9938 I really hate Afrodiasproran as a word, we have our own names, white people don't say Caucaususproans lmao, black people left Africa in prehistoric times if you believe the out of Africa theory. We populated the world a long long time ago, we hve the right to recognise ourselves by our nations and individual cultures, being called Afro when my people haven't set foot in Africa in thousands of years gives me a feeling of crabs pulling down other crabs in a barrel, like I can't be anything else but African, I have my own culture where I am in America, my people are Amerindians thank you.
@@Prince_the_One RESPECTFULLY BRUH TAKE A DNA TEST. WE’RE AFRODIASPORANS. AFRODESCENDANTS.
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Biracial Vs White
Is there a difference? 🤔🤔
Since we're all deciding to ask stupid questions now 🙄
I agree but they aren't ready for that conversation.
@@serenatsukino5252 it's not that they are not ready, it is that they know very well not to challenge the white identity, no one can, and I wished black people also adopted that same standards with our race
@@zeina_nkameme I've heard someone say that same thing. Unless if they look 100% white, biracials never claim to be white and just white. And even if they do, most of them will still identify as black and just black.
It also has to do with how someone presents/looks. Ive been called Dominican and many years ago Puerto Rican. I am black. My history is African American, my experience is as a black woman. I love our culture and I support my people and our causes. This is a great conversation for us to have as black people and people of color.
If you were to ask the same question to a group of Chinese People, Or Indian or White - there would be no question, they would very definitely say there is a difference between them and someone who was half black. They would consider the other half, the 'alien half', because its going to bring with it values, beliefs, behaviours etc that they would deem to be different. We are the only race, from my experience, that would consider the introduction of another race as a positive - particularly white. It could be the reason why we have high rates of interracial dating. I know that black women in particular, have the tendency to become completely immersed in social justice issues and it would be easy to just welcome biracial people into the community and under their wing BUT i guarantee that any confusion about who is black and who isn't will hit black women the hardest. To be 100% black (dark skin, 4c hair) etc is only deemed attractive (in the black community) when it comes to black men....black women on the other hand have to be 'mixed' with something to mask their blackness. We have all seen the shows.....where the love interest looks mixed but has a sassy, sexualised dark skin sister or best friend. Putting aside individual feelings, black women need to think about the long term consequences or co-signing their own erasure.
Thankyou! Like I love my biracial half sisters, but I hate when they identify as black girls too, because you’re erasing my experience as a black girl
@@rl.8011 the truth is, if they truly cared about black women, they wouldn't.
Im sorry if you don't have two black parents you aren't Black im sorry thats what i feel
I don't have 2 full black parents. But im black and mixed .don't like to be put in a box.
@Chanel 8 what does black and mixed mean? Would that not make you mixed? Also, many of us don't have two full black parents and yet are black. These are more rhetorical questions and not meant for you to answer. It just seems as if we all pick and choose and make shyt as we go as it suits us, which is OK.
@@user-bx2cg2ec8ccalling yourself black is putting yourself in a box.
@elipoul. There nothing to apologise for. You’re only black if you have two black parents. It’s as simple as that!
Agreed.
Puerto rican is not a race, it's a nationality lol. I hate when people say i'm half black and half puerto rican.
Same thing I was thinking!
I don't mind when they say that cause in that case they are also not strictly using the term black as a race, but as an ethnic group in the USA. So one parent is ethnically black, the other Puerto Rican. Puerto Rico is a very small society, and most Puerto Ricans are mixed, meanwhile most African Americans are also mixed, so it's a racially mixed heritage. Mixed people may not focus a ton on race since we are so mixed and focus more on things like nationality and culture.
Exactly they wanna be different so bad
You would think they would know that since this entire conversation is about race. There are Black, white, mixed, Asian etc. Puerto Ricans. My husband is of Puerto Rican descent, but racially, he is Mestizo.
So true!!!!! It's ridiculous.
Two siblings are not exactly the same unless they are identical twins. You only inherit 50% random genes from both parents…so one can have more black or white than the other sibling.
In South Africa🇿🇦 (where we perfected racism) we recognize people who are biracial. They are called "Coloured" AND ITS NOT A DEROGATORY TERM. In that way they ackwoledge their blackness and whiteness. I think its weird that in the US they only go by black🤷🏾 Why deny yourself half of who you are?
I also kmow about the 1% drop black rule in the US
That’s how I feel too. Why deny a part of who you are? Being biracial is something to be proud of.
But remember Coloureds are not Biracial but multiracial. I do understand our history was formulated through the creation of our own culture based on past transgressions. I love shocking Americans when I tell them I'm Coloured.
Thing is so many black South Africans say that many people who identify as colored as more racist than any white South African. Yes I know that colored doesn't just mean a black and white mix.
I love the respectful conversation. But, I think it was a miss on Meghan Markle. She is biracial and I feel black people want her to say she is black when she is both and that should be ok. Meghan Markle also never said she didn’t know she was black. She said it was the first time her race was at the forefront. Just an observation. 😊
black people are so quick to let others usurp their identities. Meghan is not black, end of story.
@@voguehaven5154 I’m sorry, but I do not quite understand your comment. Meghan Markle does not call herself just black. She acknowledges both sides. So, I’m not quite sure how your comment relates to my comment.
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Please! Megan Markle only became part black because she got a rude awakening.
She thought she was white in spite of her coming from a black woman.
Never heard any black person claim her as black but always mixed. I thought she was 100% white at first.
This made me think about our former president Obama. The nation will always view him as "The first Black President of United States". This saddens me because he had to deny his identity. He has a white mother from Kansas and a Black father from Kenya .
How is he Black? He is biracial. I can only imagine the pain. Nobody likes to discuss the pain behind denying part of your identity.
To those women and men who purposely choose to have a mixed baby so that they can have that "good hair", you are setting your child up for a pain that has yet be discussed in society. That child will be psychological damage.
I love Obama but he was the 1st biracial prez, he is not black. However, I do consider Malia and Sasha to be black since they are 75% black .
Yes Americas follow the 1% rule .here in the uk we see him as the first ever mixed race president.
I agree i don't have a white family member I'm black but America calls a person with a white parent just as Black a me
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He is black and biracial. End of discussion.
The tendency to equate biology and genetics with culture is frustrating, especially as someone of mixed race who feels reduced to simplistic labels. It's important to recognize that terms like "white" and "black" are cultural constructs that have been mistakenly attributed to biological or genetic differences. I take pride in not carrying the cultural baggage that often comes with these labels. Despite others' attempts to define me, I remain focused on achieving my own goals and shaping my own identity. Ultimately, my self-perception is more important than anyone else's.
However, the endless back-and-forth over who is what only serves to keep people divided and stuck in their own silos. This outdated way of thinking achieves nothing but unhappiness and strife. We cannot simply segregate ourselves into different camps and hope to find happiness in isolation. Instead, it's more beneficial to find common ground and shared experiences that bring us together as a society. Though we may have our differences, we have far more that unites us than separates us.
Biracial isnt black
I believe a way to heal this divide is to treat everyone around you with love and to praise and uplift each other for our differences. We try too hard to be like the group because it does feel good to be accepted, but it starts young when children point out differences. We need to teach children that different is okay.
Donavan, keep doing your thing bro. This whole show is a service to our community.
Thank you for the support, Bro!!! We really appreciate you!
I love part of you. I just live in the world. I’m move throughout most communities. There’s always a percentage that will never accept you ( even if we have similarities) and there are always a percentage that will see you as other but like you, accept you, appreciate you, and then there are always those that are just people. Just people are my favorite group. They can appreciate the exotic changes of our combinations both physically and mentally, but just meet you, and not those combinations. Like those combinations are just a picture but they really meet you. I meet them. They feel like home. It’s my favorite when it’s found, but it’s the most rare to find.
Of course, this is just my experience as a BLACK biracial person. I grew up in a predominately white town, with only 1% Black population. I was never treated as biracial, ppl always assumed Black and if they saw my (white) mom the first thing they’d say would be: “oh I didn’t know you were adopted.” Until I moved to the east coast in my 20s I was never seen as anything other than Black, I was raised Black and my experiences were always coded by my relationship with Blackness. There’s a conversation I’ve seen take place more now that I’m in my 30s and have access to others via social media. It’s one I tend to see lead by other biracial people, mostly women/girls with white moms, and that’s this narrative of “never being Black enough for Black people.” Which is so wild to me, because that’s something I never got. The folks telling me I wasn’t “Black enough” were always white people disappointed after befriending me that I didn’t behave in a way that aligned with their stereotypes of what Blackness meant. I don’t mean to invalidate others experiences, but I often wonder how much anti-Blackness is at play when biracial people are so critical of Black folks. To me this hyper-criticism reads as an entitlement biracial people feel towards blackness, AND/OR a wanting to protect and establish the relationship they have with whiteness as agents of white supremacy. All this to say I really appreciated the conversation y’all had around safety & privilege. Can’t wait for part 2!
"hyper-criticism" is the exact term I was looking for and i just realized that when i read your comment. Thank you! I can finally put a name to what's been bothering me about a lot of biracial people's attitude towards the Black community.
you are biracial full stop. you cannot be a black biracial person..
you are not a black biracial. You are JUST BIRACIAL.
It's no such thing as a Black biracial... You are just biracial...
Yeah, there’s a couple of RUclips channels where you can meet many biracial women who were told they were not black enough, were bullied, had their hair, pulled and cut, etc. by black girls… me being one of them. For some reason, the white ppl I grew up with were always nice to me. What is an example of hyper critical to you?
Coolie specifically refers to Indian people in the Caribbean. The term for mixed race people black/Indian = Dougla
That woman does not know what she is talking about. The word coolie in Jamaica is for the Indians . In Jamaica the call people mixed black and white are called either white, red or the more proper name is Mulatto.
I am mixed.. and people need to stop grouping us in their own pessimistic view points and allow people to be all that they are... embrace love and differences.. don't do what someone has already done to y'all then turn around and do it to someone else because you feel it's acceptable..
Wow I feel the same way. These conversations was good... But it is redundant too me. We keep talking about this subject but we keep the cycle going.
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No one is grouping you. You're the ones that keep pushing this "I'm just black" narrative maybe due to fear that the black community would not allow you in their space like the white community does. Most black people ain't bothered about sharing space, we just need to maintain logic. IF YOU'RE MIXED, YOU'RE MIXED whether you live with black people or white people or whoever. IT'S NOT AN OPINION, IT'S A FACT.
That a kingdom divided can’t stand hits a little different when you’re mixed race. Makes it easier to be on some I wish a MF would😎
There is a difference... and that is okay.
Dog whistle.
Yea biracial people didn’t ask to be there but some of them definitely enjoy their privilege
As a biracial woman, I vacationed in the Dominican Republic. The dark skinned man serving me my morning omelette, said under his breathe with DISDAIN, “Negra!” I was shocked but then amused because I realized he thought he was insulting me. I responded “Yessssss! Negra!!!” with the biggest smile. He looked at me confused. Lol😂
Ps. The dark men worked the grounds, the caramel women were maids, the lightest skinned men and women worked the reception and check in. Latin countries are color conscious to the MAX!
I can’t even begin to get into my experiences in my skin, but let me tell you, it is a THING. I appreciate the conversation.
Yes, your observations regarding the Dominican racial milieu are spot on. The Puerto Rican woman on the panel said "we're all just Puerto Rican." As if colorism doesn't exist in PR.
20:45 Juice said it best, nobody gets to choose their skin tone so to use skin color as a loyalty meter is going to leave you vulnerable. Observe the character of people, that's how you stay safe.
I know. It’s why I’m playing defense now. I have a feel for where things are going😎
Proudly hypocritical take deceitfully promoted by like minded "people".
Exactly. No Clarence Thomas.
In Jamaica, “coolie” is a term used for people of Indian descent… not biracial people.
The only biracial that might be called coolie would be visibly mixed with Indian (Jamaican Indian).
I was so confused by her whole statement maybe it’s a certain region from Jamaica were she is from? but as you said “coolie” = person of Indian decent or mixed with Indian and looks indian. I literally didn’t learn this was a racial slur until I was like 20 because everyone I knew wanted to be “coolie” it was like a higher status than just being black especially for black people. And then her statement about black people in Jamaica thinking “oh they think they are better than us” so they hate biracials. I have never heard of this or seen this. From my experience Black people in JA are encouraged to stay out of the sun and are encouraged to mix with other races and lighter skin people to have biracial children.
I think she received secondhand information. I didn’t learn of it being a slur until I was like 18 or so and my Indian Jamaican friend told me. It certainly doesn’t seem to be on the level of the n word though because whenever I heard it used it wasn’t meant to be mean but I can imagine that the original meaning was lost to us overtime. And I don’t believe Jamaicans hate biracials. Wherever people had an issue with people it more had to do with socioeconomic status. So the issue with light skinned or mixed had more to do with well, that person comes from money and not I so I’m going to have an issue with them. Of course, this is not the case with everyone. And it would be silly for any Jamaican to have an issue with people who are mixed when probably all of us are mixed in some way… “out of many one people”.
I just feel like the North American experience is just different from ours - Caribbean. Race isn’t as big an issue as socioeconomic status.
no it isn't it is to describe someones hair your confusing african Americans who already are considered a lost uncultured group of people and misguiding them even more
@@finallyanaccount “race isn’t as big an issue as socioeconomic status” so TRUE. When my Jamaican friends met my Cuban mother, they said they had never seen a Cuban person look like my mother because my mother looked like a “Coolie”. In her upbringing, they were kind of bougie & raise to be very proper, and lady like and have a disdain for anything low class. Just the other day she was complaining about the Cuban’s that are moving to her small city because she heard them talk and she said they sound low class.😂
How is this a question? It is a very silly question if anything.
I’m half black and half white. I recently had an experience where a kid asked me are you black or white? You look weird. At first I felt offended, but I took it as a teaching moment for her. I told her all colors are beautiful from the whitest white to the blackest black. People have been asking me what I am since I was small. I’m 36 and still get the question.
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Haha we do look weird imagine someone from like Gabon mixed with a French person. It is what it is. I embrace being a hybrid. African genes are stronger ✊🏿 lol
As a biracial woman - thank you for covering this topic! You are never black enough or white enough for either community. Over all the bs. I am half and half, I do not care what you label me to help you sleep at night. I also say my mother is black and my father is white...aka - figure it out yourself. Enjoy.
That's literally what you are! It's honestly so easy, but the racist One drop rule has most Americans in a chokehold..
Biracial man with a Black father and White mother here! ✋🏽
Proud to be Afro-Caucasian! ✊🏽🖤🤍
I have had the opposite experience. I'm tri racial, and people ask me my background, but then label me as only black.
This was a great discussion. I enjoyed listening to everyone's perspective!
Thanks so much for watching!
Same! And I mostly get this from white and other non-black people of color. Black people seem to recognize and acknowledge me as mixed biracial. White and non-black POC seem to only like to acknowledge by blackness and are constantly referencing it maybe in efforts to make themselves feel they aren’t racist since they are friendly with me…idk. But it’s like I know they are aware of me not being a fully black person because they are comfortable enough to be around me and say things that shouldn’t be said i.e. the N-word. It’s wild!
Well don’t get mad at the light skinned long wavy curly hair black girl or guy or the biracial girl or guy
I'm mixed .but get asked if im Spanish or Indian. my DNA ancestry showed Iberian Spain) Portugal) along with other ethnicities. but I do embrace my blackness.
@@jdoxey28 White people and other POC will recognize me as mixed, but not black people.
As a biracial person who has spent most their life in majority white communities. I was called black (and other things) and treated like I was black. I consider myself to be black and biracial. The racism was and is real. In black communities, some consider me black some don’t. And there’s often a bitterness that comes with it when my blackness is questioned. Sometimes I’m darker than the folks saying I’m not black. It wasn’t until I was in college that I figured out why. I had a black roommate in college who bullied me and one day she said “you think you’re better than me because you’re lighter than me.” Literally a thought that had never crossed my mind. Ever. I was shocked. I honestly didn’t know discriminating based on shade was a thing because I grew up mostly in white communities. It stems from wounds around racism and colorism. That pain is often projected onto multiracial folks. Meanwhile in white communities, a black person is a black person no matter what shade. And if you live in a majority white community, you’re experiencing that racism alone. It’s heavy. We need heal this stuff. No one can tell someone what their life experiences are by looking at them. Race is a social construct. It depends on who you’re asking. Yes, there’s privilege that can come from being biracial 💯 and there is also privilege with having a community which multiracial folks don’t necessarily get.
calling yourself by only one side of your race HAS TO BE RACIST fr.
like how are you going to dismiss a whole 50% (or even 25%) of your history ???
As a 1/4 White, Biracial presenting person all I can say is: WOW my jaw is on the floor, I've truly never heard my exact experience represented and to hear it within a minute of this chat was a pleasant surprise!
Yeah, I generally pivot from what my parents are first. And, then unpack what my ancestry and elders are. So, Black and Middle Eastern it is for me😂
Do you honestly claim that 1/4 white?
lol 1/4 white ia pretty much most african americans
@@Nii1978 I look like a biracial person, and am connected to both of my cultures, so yes.
@@boostmeup Most people assume I'm biracial so I guess it depends on how you look.
Would love to hear Cyn G's take on this topic since the Foxsoul show. Yall should invite her next time❤
Whew chile. That would be interesting.
Agreed!!!
They ain’t ready
Was shocked to see her on there. Would be interesting, but she also believes there are only two races...
@@jadacampbell9331 and they’re hoping to hear her talk some more when she’s as dumb as rocks
I’m not disagreeing-us mixed people have a completely different experience than the average, dark skinned black individual. Obviously! Usually we’re lighter skinned and we all know the history of how light skinned/white skinned people are seen as more “desirable” or “beautiful.” In the slave days, the children that were the result of the white rape of black slave women, were taken inside and trained to be “white.” Still not necessarily accepted, but they didn’t live in the slave quarters. And to this point, though, if we are expected to embrace our mixed identity, acknowledge our privilege of being able to “jump back and forth” between cultures and such, then we also deserve to be treated with respect to our mixed identity. Those who have two black parents and are dark skinned shouldn’t reject us because our parents decided to mix. I’ve had a lot of experience in my own family of that happening and it created a divide-I don’t know any of my family. I wasn’t accepted or treated kindly by dark skinned black people because I was mixed. And the anger is valid. But don’t take that out on me. It wasn’t my choice to be mixed. So yes, mixed people should absolutely own the biracial experience. And black people shouldn’t judge, exclude, or hate us for that.
The irony is to acknowledge that biracial offspring being used as an enemy but then create one 😏
I really wish we would stop calling words and questions violent because when people consider words violent then it justifies responding with physical violence. I'd rather be asked an offensive question or called a bad word than being shot or punched, they are not the same and shouldn't be treated the same one is mean an rude and the other is violent and actually deadly. Whats scary to me is imagining a society where people cant tell the difference between the two because they were taught that they are the same.
Well said, and if not addressed it can become a MAJOR issue
Can someone point me to where Mariah Carey identified as black? I've never considered her as black.
Your consideration is irrelevant. She has always mentioned being black since old interviews, and recently wrote a book about her life, and that part features in the book.
@@jays-move8803 False She Said In An Interview Back On Oprah’s Show That She Is Biracial She Never Claimed Black Only
No Meghan Markle is not black. I would rather find it insulting for her to talk bout herself as black. She is mixed race and she acknowledges it and that is fine like that.
That's not what they are saying.
They are saying, that Megan identifies more as being white than black.
She only thought of her blackness when she got checked. 😢
Biracial vs white. Is there a difference?
Has anyone ever felt like there’s some unsaid competition among lightskinned blacks, biracial and mixed race black people in terms of who’s the lightest? As a biracial black and Puerto Rican, I’m on the lighter side of the spectrum and have had other lightskinned mixed race women say I’m not light because I’m not as light as them. This conversation came up when a coworker was touching on owning our blackness and acknowledged that I was light but not ashamed to own my blackness while others are (aka the mixed race lightskinned coworker preaching only she is lightskinned). Me and my other coworker looked at each other like wow…okay…good for you? and it seems like you hate yourself!
I believe there is a hierarchy now to see who is the most ambigious and "special". But I see some lightskinned blacks distancing and separating themselves from biracials because of their problematic behavior and their experience is very different. Having a black mother is extremely different from being raised by a non black mother.
Puerto Rican isn't a race but i get what you're saying.
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True! I should’ve specified that my mom is a white Puerto Rican.
Ik most LS blk ppl don't like to be categorized w/ biracial ppl, but if you're a person who's one parent is half yt and half blk and other parent is Unambiguously blk (about 75% blk, 25% yt) are you considered a LS blk if you have the phenotypes or mixed...?
There is no such thing as a biracial black please stop that bullshit it’s insulting. I am biracial and I am tired of blacks trying to tell us what we are while using a white mans ideology. I had a black guy say to me that these " lighter skin blacks girls have stiff hair, that it doesn’t blow in the wind like mine I feel if there is “ competition “ it’s caused by blacks especially the men.
YES BIRACIALS # NOT BLACK YOU ARE MIXED NOT BLACK.
Cause if you don’t claim black it’s kinda a warning sign a bit
@@g_thbaa4909 you are mixed if you're black and white you're mixed Not black your biracial🚩🤦♀️
@@g_thbaa4909 black is when both of your parents are the same race African, black man in a black woman make a black baby‼
@@g_thbaa4909 like if someone want a white child and takes two white parents to make a white child what's so confusing about this use your common sense. 🤦♀️‼ a black and white person can't make a full-blown white child that's a mixed child a.k.a Biracial you AIN'T Black‼‼‼🚩🚩🚩🙄
@@g_thbaa4909 and if someone wants a Puerto Rican baby it takes 2 Puerto Ricans man & woman to make a Puerto Rican child# duh🖖
I’m mixed, that’s the beginning and end of it
The safety aspect may be true, but like the boy said not all skin folk are kinfolk so it’s not a valid reason to have a separatist attitude towards ‘quarter, half or light’ black people away from our browner counterparts. I’m mixed race, black white and indian and really we could be a positive bridge between people but we are “othered” by them all. Also, do people want mixed black people to deny their heritage? To pretend to be white? Or will we “feel safe” among our own?
I am stuck at Revolt TV having a show with only one darker-skinned Black woman. Seriously? Whew. Let me keep watching.
Yea, we are puzzled.
i find it strange that people with with curly/smooth hair are considered or consider themselves "biracial" but if your hair is nappy, idc how light you or said naps are...ya black! or considered so by others in society.
Wow I’ve noticed that too. Thanks for bringing that up. Hair is a big deal. I wonder if it has anything to do with the test done in the past where if a pencil got stuck in your hair, you were considered black. Also, there are people with “black” skin but smooth hair that are straight from India and other places. Hair and skin are the most obvious determinants of race. Then people dissect other features like eye shape, bone structure etc. It really depends on who is looking because some people look to skin first.
The woman in the all black who is mixed. I think it’s wild for people to think she’s white. It’s like this woman doesn’t look like a full white woman at all. She literally looks mixed. People are crazy.
I wish that those who are light skinned from majority white spaces would actually acknowledge that there are black people who are darker who also lived in white spaces and we were seen as more black then you and therefore experienced more anti-blackness then you, you did NOT just suddenly start to benefit from colourism as soon as you moved to somewhere with more black people, you always benefited.
Right! I've noticed that, on some Black discussion panels, when they talk about race, they always try to force the Black people to accept the non-Black (Mixed and Biracial) people as Black. This is totally unacceptable to say the least.
No shade but the grapevine had better speakers. Most of these folks are people of color who THINK a they know Blackness! Y’all need me on the next episode!
Right. They pick all the wrong folk. The right people have things to do! 😂
I'm glad you had non-monoracial ppl share their perspective in the conversation. Often times monoracial ppl like to talk on the mixed perspective or triracial perspective for us mixed folk + are sometimes unwilling to let us voice our opinions on our perspectives growing up as a mixed ppl. As someone that identifies as mixed, I wouldn't feel comfortable telling someone monoracial what their life was like bcuz I haven't lived a monoracial experience but since the mixed community is not too large in the United States, that can sometimes happen there (ppl who aren't mixed telling us what our life was like + what we've been thru when they don't know us at all). Compared 2 North America I've met more mixed ppl in the UK, Asia, Brazil, the Caribbean + South America and find they are more able to share their unique experience growing up mixed without having someone tell their story for them. Not every mixed/triracial person's experience is the same. There's the passing, non-passing experience, asian + white vs white + black, what country/culture they born into, socioeconomics, growing up in a white dom envi. vs growing up in a black dom envi., being born in Japan but not being considered fully Japanese bcuz if one of ur parents is white or black etc etc.
As a dark complexioned Black American, I guess you would consider me monoracial, but when I surf the internet, and listen to conversations about 'colorism' and it's predominantly monoracial, I usually bypass it, because I want to hear both sides of the coin. I feel it's only fair to hear the entire story. I like that the above conversation is well balanced where everyone gets to relate to, or discover an existing experience, and tell their story.
If your mixed race,having for example one black and one white parent,then you should never ignore the fact that inside of you,is dna from your white parent whether it be your mother or father.But I see so many mixed race people who for whatever reason call themselves black,as if their white genes doesn't exist.I am myself mixed race,my mum was white who I loved so much and miss her dearly, and i was brought up on her side of the family,my father played no role in my upbringing,I never even got birthday or Christmas card's from him growing up as a child,and have never had any contact with him,and maybe partly because of this I have never had any connection with black people,and because of my upbringing being brought up with a white mother and grandmother,aunts and uncle's,I've just felt more comfortable with white people,and as for mixed race people identifing as black,I think of and have always thought the opposite and identify as white.
We are human that's all that matters. If people can't get with the program it's never changes.
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Wowza what a great conversation, please make a part 2, part 3, part 4. These conversations are necessary and long overdue. Thank you to everyone for sharing their experiences and for the hosts to allow an open and safe space for all. Beautifully made.
Love, a fellow biracial immigrant
Whoever is editing this video ❤ I see you.
We have a dope editing team. We shared this with them. Thank you for the positive vibes! 🙂
I ALWAYS identify as Multiracial/Biracial. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so divided by skin color. No one was here in advance to pick their parents to be sure that people today will treat them fairly. I was bullied all during my school years because i wasn't black acting enough. I have NEVER in my 59 years ever had any issues with white people. I still have issues with black people even to this day in 2024. It's sad because the very thing that black people harp on they turn around and do the same to others just for NOT looking, acting or speaking as they do.
I’m mixed and there, and I notice there… is a big difference
Donovan, Virigina historically had the most racially mixed Black slaves. A lot of their descendants inherited wealth. Their parents or grandparents or great grandparents because as the children of the master, they received wealth with their freedom. So that is why you see a lot of that in the DC area.
I love this conversation. As a parent of a biracial child, I'm fully interested and engaged because I want to be able to prepare and help him for whatever struggles he may have with dealing with black and white society, as well as an inner cultural struggles he may or may not have. I'm doing my best to instill black pride in him, from a very early age, and to communicate to him that he is not better than anyone else because of skin color.
But also tell him that he shouldn't be ashamed of his white side either! I have a biracial friend who was taught to be proud of her black side, but her white side was shamed. That can also lead to confusion, since it's still a part of her. Also keep in mind that, even tho they have privilege, they can still experience racism.
And thank you for educating yourself as a parent of a biracial! I'm monoracial black myself, but I have many biracial cousins. The ones with parents that made it clear that they're biracial (black/white) and made them embrace it, don't have identity issues at all. I really wish more parents of biracials educated themselves on this subject, so biracials wouldn't have to endure all the confusion, selfhate and loneliness..
@@rl.8011 most definitely! I teach him to love and be proud of everything part of himself. I probably encourage black pride in him the most because I know how society is going to view him mostly, but I would never shane his white side.
Or maybe we should stop having biracial kids. End of discussion
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I am Somali Black African I am glad a came across Donovan channel. He keeps it real 👍🏾
Let's be honest, there are a lot of "traditionally" looking Black women who don't want biracial women to be considered Black- because they feel biracial women skew the standard of Black beauty more to the "loose curls" (good hair) and light skin side and they feel they can't "COMPETE." But this is NOT a competition.
Black women just need to start loving themselves PERIOD! When you truly love yourself, you understand there is no competition- because there's only one you. And at this point, the main people perpetuating the White beauty standards are dark and brown skinned Black women. I and most of the Black men I have questioned on the issue love all shades of brown skin, all textures of natural hair, and a plethora of body shapes and sizes. But we don't like those eye lashes, wigs, weaves, extreme make-up, BBL's etc... African genes are the original human genes and they should have precedence in issues of racial taxonomy, especially if a biracial person chooses to identify as Black.
This is exactly what's going on. It's all rooted in jealousy and insecurities. Being attractive will also cause one to be "othered".
The problem is biracial/multiracial women have become the face of black women when they aren’t black. They’re mixed. No black woman looks like zendaya or Christina Milian or doja cat, etc. its not about competition it’s the fact that it’s apart of black erasure. The only people who want to consider mixed people black are the ones that are insecure. Black women only claim us when they wanna prop our beauty up and say it’s black beauty when its not. Black men only wanna claim is because they wanna fuck us and secretly hate fully black women. It’s as simple as that. Stop trying to make level minded black women seem insecure because you can’t handle the fact that they’re onto y’all😭😭
@@tias.6675 Lol no. That’s not what it is. What it actually is is what you guys are doing right now: gaslighting. One of the struggles actual black girls go through is that whenever we try to talk about our issues we’re immediately labelled : jealous, hateful, ghetto, loud. If you knew how frustrating it is to be constantly gaslighted like that, you wouldn’t have said that. But ofcourse you don’t know tht frustrations, because you’re not a black girl/woman
This was beautiful!! Was really missing a Black American perspective IMO. I think people from the old south (1700s) USA may have something to contribute to this discussion. 💕✨
Preach!
The question is being asked from a black american perspective and that's why you have this problem because in the UK and Europe (where there are sizeable half black biracials populations) this is not a question, biracial and black are different and distinct. The issue comes in with biracials in the US having the black american limited mindset imposed on them, and it stems from black americans co-opting biraciality and other non-black people in order to feel better about being black and being able to claim non black features are black american.
@@wordsbymaribeja1470 The reality of people seeing biracial people as different and distinct is a fallacy. Of course biracial people are ‘different’ in that they have a parent who is non-black but white people largely don’t claim them because of this, and having this echoed to me from mixed race people who experience similar racism due to being perceived as black, confirms this. As a black man, I’m proud of my blackness how I look and certainly don’t ‘co-opt’ biraciality to feel better about myself. This kind of response is steeped in prejudice and skewed thinking.
@@wordsbymaribeja1470 This is absolute rubbish, I am mixed race and live in England The title mixed race is just lip service, we are still in the main seen as black. Which I dont have a problem with. We will always be viewed as what we look closest too. So those white passing mixed race people, will be prretty much seen as white e.g. Ryan Giggs, Tony Bellew and those black featured mixed people are see as black David Haye, Lewis Hamilton, Thandiwe Newton. Mixed people are alway seen and grouped with black people.
@@boostmeup doesn’t matter you’re not black we all know this. Get therapy if that bothers you.
Donovan is an EXCELLENT moderator. So engaging and so smart. Great discussion!
Not sure about why this is such a big deal in the US it mostly is how people feel about their heritage self profiling instead of embracing whatever background we're from, I personally identify as black
This video showed in my recommendations. Since I’m biracial (black and white), I thought it’d be interesting to watch. I also think it would be interesting to see this topic discussed with a panel of all males and/or a panel of biracial people from different parts of the US to see if there are differences in their experiences, especially in the formative years.
I happened to write a research paper on this topic in grad school, focusing specifically on black and white biracial individuals. I found that how biracial people identify depends largely on their age (born before or after Civil Rights era - for those born before, the one-drop rule still lingers), the region of the US they grew up (someone from the south may have a very different experience than someone on the west coast where it’s more diverse or where Jim Crow laws weren’t a thing), how society and peers view them (society often classifies biracial individuals as black), & what their family taught them they were (some families teach their biracial kids they are one race or the other, or they teach them they are biracial).
The 2000 Census was the first-time citizens could classify themselves as more than one race, so prior to 2000 biracial individuals were forced to choose. There are still a lot of forms today that don’t give the option to choose more than one causing further confusion. I remember filling out a standardized test form in elementary school and raising my hand to ask the teacher what I was supposed to put for race. She told me to put black, so I did. As an adult, I identify as biracial if someone asks.
It's sad this is still a topic of discussion in 2023, however there is so much history to undo, especially in the US, although I know there is an issue in the Caribbean and South America regarding this topic as well. I’ve had some of the same experiences as those mentioned in the video, so I understand completely. Personally, I’m more racially ambiguous. People know I’m not white, but are often unsure if I’m only black, black and something else, or just something else. Majority of the time though, people think I’m Puerto Rican or Dominican. Occasionally, I’m mistaken for middle eastern. In my early childhood I was raised in the deep south, but we later moved to the Pacific Islands. My experience in both places were very different to the point I didn’t even realize racial tensions were still a thing until after high school when I moved back to the US mainland for a short period of time. From my life experience, I never want to live in the southern US again or raise my kids there.
Hi, where can I read your research paper, it sounds interesting
@@bendemare5270 Hello, it's not published anywhere, but I'd be happy to send it to you.