Somalis Are Not Black? | OFF THE RECORD
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- In this episode of "Off the Record," our host Mide delves into a lively and thought-provoking discussion with two Somali guests who recently went viral for their online debate about Somali identity and the question, "Are Somalis black?" Tune in as they explore cultural, racial, and social perspectives, shedding light on the diverse views within the Somali community. This engaging conversation promises to offer new insights and spark further dialogue on a topic that resonates deeply with many.
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How can she not see these man are trolling 😂😂😂😂
Do you know who Mostafa Hefny was? He was a dark skinned Egyptian who came to America. After filling out job application, he came across the FAKE racial classifications. so he decided to put himself in the “Black” category. However, he was REFUSED to identify himself as “black African” so the company forced him to classify himself as “White.” He sued the company and the U.S government for decades with no avail.
This is why race based on a color is the STUPIDEST concept invented by the western colonial system. Yet here you have brainwashed people thinking it’s “good” to be “proud” of being black when it doesn’t exist outside of the west.
Only tribes, ethnicities, and nationalities are the true identity markers in all of human history.
Its not based on skin colour as a whole, its mainly Africaness and features like hair (obviously theres outliers) thats why a sri lankan or indian isnt considered black@thinkbeforeyoutype7106
THEY CAN TROLL - JOKES ASIDE, BLACKS HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED THEM HENCE THEY NO LONGER IDENTIFY AS BLACK THEMSELVES. IT DOES THEM NO FAVOURS LOL. THEY LOOK AND BEHAVE DIFFERENT IN MY EXPERIENCE, CULTURALLY THEY CAN ALSO BE DIFFERENT TO THEIR GEOGRAPHIC NEIGHBOURS. ARABIA N ITALY SEEM TO HAVE CAUSED AN ISSUE. LET EM CONTINUALLY STICKING WITH EACHOTHER 😂 AND CERTAINLY IF THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 🔥
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106word my dad was Nubian Egyptian with Afro hair and my mum is Coptic Egyptian. Although I have a loose curly hair type like a mixture of 2c/3a and my skin colour is olive , people are always trying to argue if I’m black or not which idc like that. I’m just Egyptian Coptic and Nubian.
How she’s interviewing this 2 trolls on such a deep issue😭😭😭😭
I feel like she was the guest on their show 😂😂😂
These 2 boys Somalis must school them! They are an embarrassment seriously using the Somali identity
@@theancientsancients1769nah they are trolling the butthurt, white man loving jareer😂😂😂
@@theancientsancients1769relax and drink water
😂😂😂
I'm Somali and live in US. I consider myself as African American. I'm 100% black.
Exactly, we are black i don't understand those people saying we aren't black they're just racist tbh
No you're Somalian american not African American
I mean yeah you're black but idk about African American
@@ahaha20Wrong he is African American, I am Ethiopiab orgin US citizen and I,had arguement with my co-workers in US becaue I think any peron whow born in Africa can be called African American when he/she gets US citizenship, but those black Americans who lived in US 3 or 4 generations should not be called African American instead they should be called Black Americans
actually I see why you'd say you're AA because Somalia is an African country but AA is a term used to describe Black Americans who are descendants of enslaved Africans who were brought to the US.
Big up my Somali people , love from a Nigerian lad
Love bro ❤
“Life is not as simple as black & white” nah he’s trollin fasho😭😭😭
Literally but some black people gonna take it seriously lol
😂😂😂
How's he trolling 🙄
They’re both deffo trolling lol sitting there giggling like gyal I’m so embarrassed as a Somali girl
It's a waste of 20 mins of my life watching this😢😢😮
In Africa, everyone will tell you about their tribes not the colour of their skins 🤷🏾♂️
Exactly! I don't understand why this is such a hard concept
and In the Western world. Everybody See us guys as one. And that's black. We get Pulled over up stopped by the police you black. we go shopping Security follows us because we are black They are looking for you. You are described as black. News report you as a suspect as a black man
I respect that. Therefore Somalis are not black.
Yes but that’s because the tribe discussion is among black people lol. No need to state the obvious
@@civbabez22 not just black people indians will tell you the regions they are from as their identity, same with east asians and other countries.
How much times did he say “amazing question”😂
I was looking for this comment 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 real I am looking for this massage
Exactly, joke interview 😅😅😅
Very innocent girl…. They were trolling her from the first minute
They got the wrong ppl for this convo… all 3 of them even the host😭
I swear
I agree with you
their content is comedy it was never gonna be serious
Especially as the host, she is useless
Literally !!! The ignorance is astonishing. I’m surprised they are using black instead of AFRICAN! Black is a made up word to divide and conquer and give white(European) Americans superiority
These two are trolling 🤣🤣🤣
They must be 😂
lol 😂42 minutes and she didn’t get it. Both trolling her. And his video was the world to know Somalians are somalish not black. Just like indians or Brazilians or even lot of latina. Are not called black. Somalians are called somalish if u didn’t know now u know. If ones says but Somali is in Africa so is Marocco,Egypt, Tunisia, Ethopia and Eritrea none of the country class them self as black. And let’s be honest event the rest of Africa don’t class those country as black. So we all Africans and being African doesn’t mean black move on. Or make sure all black Indians black serilanka black Bangladesh black latina black Arabs all them to agree to call them selfs black. Guys move on. Somali is not just one race. Is mix of races in Somali communities and we are one Somali.
@@abdirahmanmohamud2103bro I'm from eritrea and we are habesha but we proud to black
@@bombarleyrastafara5943 there are many Eritreans who don't believe they're black wdym lol 😂
@@bombarleyrastafara5943fr am somali and I am proud to be black
We Somalis first encountered the term "Black" when we moved to the West in 1990. We observed that descendants of slaves identified with this term. In Africa, where everyone has melanin, we identify with our ancestry, ethnicity, and tribe, specifically as Somali. We noticed that those identifying as "Black" were primarily of West African and Central African descent.
If "Black" were based solely on melanin, then Indians, particularly Dravidians, would also be considered "Black," but this is not the case. So, what does "Black" mean? Africa is the most genetically diverse continent, and North Africans are genetically more related to Somalis than to West or Central Africans.
It appears that "Black" is a term tied to urban culture and heritage, used by people who were stripped of their ancestry and do not know where they came from. These individuals adopted the term "Black" because they lost their specific identities and had to conform to a term created by their slavers, forming a new tribe in the Western Hemisphere, even we started identifying them as a tribe "The Maddows" which translates as the "Blacks" in Somali because Melanin is a brown shade and this tribe in America, the Caribean, and Europe was actually calling themselves "Blacks".
The question then arises: should those of us who know our ancestry and identity abandon it? Should we trade our ancestral identity for this new term, or should we honor and preserve the dignity of our ancestors by keeping their name? My people have been Somali long before the English language existed, before the social construct of race was created, and before race was categorized into Black, White, Yellow, and Red. This caste system, created by Europeans, was designed to oppress other humans. The Cherokee Indians labeled it racist to be called Red Indians, and the Chinese rejected being called Yellow. The only groups adhering to these color labels are the White people, who occupy the upper caste, and their victims, the stolen Africans.
We are Somali and Proud to be outside of the box. 50 years from now, some of your children will argue that society has no genders, and a Somali will have to correct them too.
You are right walaal! How is this a deep issue? We do not let foreigners create a name for us we have our own. We have always been known as SOMALIS it is our REAL name and has cultural, religious, linguistic, historical, genetic, meaning. We do not care about what a foreigner labels us that is their problem. We do not care about other foreigners demanding we adopt it with them. No thanks! That is total cultural subversion and erasure. Why do foreigners care so much?
The Arabs called you black first but I guess you won’t to admit that because its your religion
Thank you,dadkena allaha barakeyo we’re who we are .
Well said thanks ❤❤❤❤❤
Masha’Allah Tabarak’Allah for your knowledge. If you look deeper into this, it’s the individuals who have been stripped of their identity, language, and tribes from slavery that heavily use this word; then they want to force this word onto others with brown skin to feel equal! It's incredibly unfair and uneducated.
As you rightly said, the Chinese rejected being called yellow! Is this not enough to show them they are brainwashed? Subhan’Allah!
So what will they say next? Yellow is race. Subhan’Allah!
Thank you again for speaking facts. May Almighty Allah continue to bless you. Insha’Allah Amin 🤲❤️
My friend is Nigerian, more specifically Yoruba . My other friend is Igbo. My other friend is Ethiopian, but more specifically, he is oromo. I am Somali...more specifically Hawiye. Black is a term from the colonizors. Dont hate somalis because we weren't programmed. A West african is completely different from an East African. I, as an EAST AFRICAN, have ZERO right to claim his history and accomplishments us mine under the banner of black and vice versa. I am a melinated person of colour. Black is a divisive and generic term that denies us our specific histories and achievements.
I never looked at it like this, this is a DOPE perspective 💯
@Splassssh Respect bro. 👊🏾
Yoruba*
Hawiye? 😂😂😂Eughhhh don’t bring qabiil into this, we are one ethnic group. Stop trying to divide us. ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
@@fmjjjjn7510 If you think I was sowing any division , you've totally misunderstood my post. Re-think it.
Somalis are definitely a gift to the world with there humour 👏🏿
Thank you there are also some of us who are very funny people always tell me that
More like clowns 🤡
Thank you 😊
@@Shayane13like you
@@Shayane13 hater
People don't know that somali people love to troll ALOT looll
Right🤣 how are people not catching up to this! We’re from big families, we all want to shine! Yappers for life!! I wish people don’t take it serious
We are literally known for joking around ugh some people need to go to bed
😂😂😂😂😂@@saranin3091
@@saranin3091We are more black than him
Facts 😂😂😂
Fun fact.
In Somalia, there is no negativity associated with someone calling out your color skin, or hair. In fact, the first president of Somalia was "Aden Adde," which literally translates to "Aden Whitey" or "White."
and if you are too dark like the speaker of parliament who also called "Aden Madobe," which translates to "Aden Black." If someone has a lot of gray hair, we would call them "Cirro," which means "Mr. White Hair."
So, I think the matter is not distancing Somalis from black but rather to cultural thing.
"TOO dark" what are u babb ling about?
This is misleading. There is definitely a preference for lighter skin, just like in a lot of countries.
@@keifer7813yeah but culturally we never had this problem. Only after globalisation and watching too much Bollywood movies. In our culture we are taught to love ourselves the way god made us and also we don’t spend time separating people based on skin colour only by culture.
@@giaa_777 You telling me you never heard "waxayo madow" as an insult to you or to anybody dark you know before? Come on now
@@keifer7813 reading is fundamental I said after globalisation they became much more colourist, Somalis historically didn’t favour people of lighter skin, skin colour didn’t matter that much and if anything they liked their own mariin skin colour.
Races of the world
1)Somali
2)white
3)brown
4)black
Message approved 😂😂😂😂
Merge 1 and 3 and your good.
True there are East and South Asians Latino Arabs Nordic South European Black Africa, North African , Aborigines and Somalis
@@nickb839😂😂😂
@@nickb839no Somalis are not brown
What are Chinese people? White?
What are Arabs? White?
Race is nonsensical
This is honestly ridiculous divisive talking-point I thought we left in the past. Black is a race, somali is an ethnicity. End of story. Can we move on?
Not when black Americans try to shove their black identity on everyone else. In Africa we mainly don't identify as colours.
Exactly I didn’t know we still had these conversation .Well except for the Americans.
Agree 💯💯
Everybody is part of the same race. The human race.
Black is not a race. He's African by race and Somali by ethnicity. Only African people can reproduce themselves and create other races because of our genetic diversity, those other races can only reproduce themselves.
I think Somalis don’t like being put into a box, which originates from white European contracts set up decades ago. This kind of undermines your heritage in some way. In Africa the world ‘Black’ is rarely used.
@Hana-hb7lq but Africans know that they are black. Black is rarely used because everyone is black. Africans use tribes to differentiate themselves. Ones you leave sub Saharan Africa you know and you will be treated as a black person.
@teedasawaneh471 you got it right no point in banging on about being black in a place where nearly everyone is black
I'm referring to Sub-Saharan Africa
Ethnicity and to a lesser extent - religion are the things mostly brought up
@@teedasawaneh471 Do you know who Mostafa Hefny was? He was a dark skinned Egyptian who came to America. After filling out job application, he came across the FAKE racial classifications. so he decided to put himself in the “Black” category. However, he was REFUSED to identify himself as “black African” so the company forced him to classify himself as “White.” He sued the company and the U.S government for decades with no avail.
This is why race based on a color is the STUPIDEST concept invented by the western colonial system. Yet here you have brainwashed people thinking it’s “good” to be “proud” of being black when it doesn’t exist outside of the west.
Only tribes, ethnicities, and nationalities are the true identity markers in all of human history.
@@naqeebayodamolaraji5718That’s false since Africans come in all shades. You have albinos who are whiter than most Europeans. So are they “black” because of their skin or because of their facial features? This is why race based on a color is the dumbest concept I’ve ever come across
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 fair enough
I’m Somali 🇸🇴 and I’m from east Africa and I’m proud being an African
Black is idealogy that slavery and colonialism has brought to Africa. I am Somali and proud African.
And where do you think the word Africa comes from?
Then we are no longer African and we are just Somali😂😂... We deny foreign identity, we don't kneel
And black lol
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify🤣🤣tell these slaves
@@FoAl-h2b the word Africa at least refers to a real place, why would you reduce yourself to a colour like a crayon?
Somali's had some of my favourite senses of humour in school... But I needed to get my education 😂
😂😂😂
What 😂😂😂😂
These man are on PR STUNT and trolling through the video 😂😂😂
Whatttt u got a blue comment on RUclips?
Aside from the really good discussion ✨
Can we talk about their skin 😮wooow !!!!
😍🤩
Who told you that you are black? Who put you in this box of being black? Was it Caucasian enslavers, and you accepted that label? African Americans don't have any heritage and are always putting their "400-year-old history" onto others, always submissive and accepting any box they are put in. That might apply to others, but not to us Somalis. We are African and Somali.
Crisp right! 😍😍😍🤣🤣🤣
I'm somali, black and proud❤
Same I'm proud of being black.
I am somali arab descent and proud
@@hanadeenwhere and when did Arabs ever mixed with us Somalis? We need dates and region and don’t come with that Darood is from Yemen BS coz I’m Darood and it’s been disproven many times
😂😂😂😂😂 the part when he said if you fight one, there's 300 around the corner😂😂😂
Black is a colonial term, hence why a lot of somali people prefer to call them selves somali
Literally there ancestors used to be disgusted to be called black but now they have embodied it and even call themselves “niggas” but upset coz Somalis won’t fold
so what do you call African and African descendants ?
@@noriwilliams4637what u lot fail to understand is the term “black” was forced onto u by white people black people never called themselves black ever in history untill the white man came along and forced it on you, us Somalis and Dominicans are the last people to hold out and not call themselves black, my skin is brown and even my Nigerian bredrin skin is a dark shade of brown not black so why must we call ourselves something we ain’t.
@@wewinningg904 so you why you dressing like blacks people and doing black culture then? Do your own music and culture stay tf out of ours
Being black does not cancel out being Somali lol
I know plenty of Somalis and they are incredibly proud of their African identity, culture and race much more than many second generation immigrants. If any ethnicity gets to tout the black card it’s Somalis.
Somali is part of the Cushitic race, it's an ethnicity, nationality, and a language, so somalis should only identify as Somalis Africans and in Africa that's how we identify so we shouldn't be put in this western box of identity
Somali....not somalian
Shout out to you brother
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We aren't somalian please 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ We are Somali
The country SOMALIA🇸🇴 ❤
The language SOMALI🎉
The ethnicity SOMALI 🌹
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the race: black
@@TASoma.is Black is your father's name ?
We don't identify ourselves with colors ,a name of colonisers.
We know our grandfathers
The bunk beds ting sent me. Somali's are up there for the funniest people on the planet next to jamaicans 😂
I have not met a funny Jamaican yet
@@abuafrica lost your whole mind. Watch Third world cop & see if you still think the same lol
@@VillaSince89 Since when have Jamaicans been funny? 😂😂😂
lol Jamaicans are not funny 😂😂😂
Jamaicans are just vulgar not funny at all delete them and add Ugandan’s.
I no black I dominican
No papi I no black 😂
Race based on a color is a FALSE concept. Ask yourself WHY did European colonials for centuries STRIPPED the history, ethnicity, and language of African diaspora in the west? In fact, the N word means “black” so would you call your ancestors by their name or by the colonial color system?
@@dafactoryproduction7904You guys laugh but the truth is race based on a color is a delusional concept. North Africans are labeled as “white” in the west while Portuguese and Spain who are literally in Europe are not labeled as “white”.
Are Africa. albinos who are whiter than most Europeans “black” because of their skin complexion or because of their facial features? I blame western education for dumbing down and brainwashing gullible people
Once again, do you know who Mostafa Hefny was? He was a dark skinned Egyptian who came to America. After filling out job application, he came across the FAKE racial classifications. so he decided to put himself in the “Black” category. However, he was REFUSED to identify himself as “black African” so the company forced him to classify himself as “White.” He sued the company and the U.S government for decades with no avail.
This is why race based on a color is the STUPIDEST concept invented by the western colonial system. Yet here you have brainwashed people thinking it’s “good” to be “proud” of being black when it doesn’t exist outside of the west.
Only tribes, ethnicities, and nationalities are the true identity markers in all of human history.
And then they try salsa that shit off 💃🏽 😂😂😂😂
I’m somali , black african and proud💗
I love these guys! Smart & hilarious….i agree with their perspective.
This is a silly and pointless video about whether Somalis are black. We're having the same discussions we had 10 years ago, and it's getting tired and boring now.
Respectfully, younger generation need to know about this discussion. If it’s informative then it’s good for the mind .
Most of us East Africans from Somalia, Uganda, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Djibouti, Eritrea and Seychelles are mixed blooded and are not fully blk.
There's a clear distinction between a Somali person and Nigerian for example. It's obvious Somalis are not fully blk amd hv Arabic/Eurasian roots too🤦🏾♀️
@@Jennyxx-ie5jw Only different is hair texture, nothing else
@@Holy1OfIsrael. feautres, phenotype, ancestry tests, possibly skin tones as well. Hair still isn't afrocentric thats already a big giveaway
@@Jennyxx-ie5jw skin tone? Black come is 32 different shades, go to Mogadishu, pure of them have kinky Afros in the streets not curly and most are dark skinned just look at vlogs and see
When the police stop you they’re not going to think ‘they are Somali’. Your black.
But when we ask certain groups of "black" people, they don't say they are black. They only say they are black when it benefits them.
So we should identify whatever the police view us🤦🏽
@@11smithjyou’re black and African get over it
😂that’s what I said
You are black Somali from Africa
End off cause you even the Arab don’t say you’re one of them
@@naaji5606 the whole world sees you as black except yourself. it's the same as when jews or italians want to say "we're not white." No one cares about what YOU think you are. You are however you are perceived in the world.
Top tier trolling lads… well done 😅
Any Somali claiming that their white is crazy😂😂
There should be a cushite race or Somali race 😅plus we are Caucasians just like the white in case you don't know but black colour and mostly curly hair
not saying that somalis are white but somalis genetically cluster more closely to southern europeans than they do with black kenyans(whom they border). which goes to show that labeling somalis as 'black' is more ridiculous than labeling them as 'white'
Your black Africans simple as, just like the rest of us, I have india, Portuguese and Chinese in my blood and my parents was born in the Caribbean but bottom line is my race is black African and im proud of it💪🏾
Brown.
Somalis don’t claim their white but we don’t also claim black we are East Africans or Somalis
Why people are seriously commenting on it, these two are trolling.. Tahts entertaining to watch, have a laugh and move on to the next video!
Blacks watching saw the title and thought it was gonna be a serious convo, they realised there trolling and now there triggered
@@wewinningg904 Don't be stupid. Can you not see other somalis in the comment section?
How is this a deep issue? We do not let foreigners create a name for us we have our own. We have always been known as SOMALIS it is our REAL name and has cultural, religious, linguistic, historical, genetic, meaning. We do not care about what a foreigner labels us that is their problem. We do not care about other foreigners demanding we adopt it with them. No thanks! That is total cultural subversion and erasure. Why do foreigners care so much?
I am Somalian and proud to be black
Even burna boy is somali.. Nah these man trolling fr 😂😂
Am Somali and Black.
idk who these guys are but I like them .. good sense of humor too.
This is crazy! If 'black" folk see these brothers they gonna say the 2 Somali brother's. Whats wrong with them calling themselves Somali? They connecting themselves with their Land, History and Culture rather than just a colour.
Somali is fine but claiming to be European or Arab when you’re AFRICAN is weird
@@TracyauduAfrican isn’t an ethnicity. We have North Africans who are Arabs and have all sorts of colours. The word black is as useless as calling someone yellow. Plus Africa was named after a Greek called Africanus Scorpius which was specifically the north of Africa.
@@Tracyaudu oh yeh deffo. I suppose the claiming Arab is linked to their Islamic settings right?
Cool but white police see black man
@@onc.o.d.ebarbernah they believe they are descendants from one Arab family but it’s a load of bs
I'm from Eritrea, got lighter skin, soft and long hair but proud to call me BLACK AFRICA !
What does tslemti mean?
@@shafsteryellow😂
@@TesfuMeh 😂
As a black american of Oklahoma, I'm definitely proud of being black it's powerful and greatness came from out of it🎉❤❤❤
I am Somali and East African. If you call us black we have no problems with that but we rather identify ourselves as African and Somali first. If i look green i wouldn't want to be called green or be reminded how green i look 24/7. This all race and colour dosen't even exist in culture or history. If west Africans like to be reminded how black they look then that's up to them. More power to them in fact
Why r yall obsessed with west Africa ? Even the darkest peeps in this dunya r East African .😂
Black is just colour... But isn't ethnicity.... We are SOMALI ❤
Let me help you guys understand why saying "Im Somali I'm not black" is perfectly fine, firstly Black is a social construct (- A social construct is a concept that exists not in objective reality but as a result of human interaction. ) white black asian all these things are just fake labels made by the western world to define and categorise people, were not black white and asian, we are our ethnicities, a French person called a French person not white we call Germans, German, not white , so why do we "black" people erase our ethnicities and just go by black when we are not going to pass that down to our children, we will teach them their ancestors, tribes and where they're from, so for a Somali to say I'm Somali is correct, every single country has their own social construct of what they call different people in their language, you guys are just using the English terminology to identify yourselves, understand this.
I agree 💯 Somali is part of the Cushitic race, an ethnicity, nationality, and a language, so somalis should only identify as Somalis Africans and in Africa that's how we identify so we shouldn't be put in this western box of identity
@@Unknown2Earth what we’re you talking about? You don’t think french and German ppl know they’re white? LMAO.
@@anuhassan5596u missed his point they doing identify themselves as white people or are identified as white people, the identity ascribed to them is what they are and where there from, henceforth German, polish, Russian etc,
@anuhassan5596 brother you call French and German people by their ethnicities not their colour, whereas with black people, people are comfortable just labelling them as black and not recognising they all come from different backgrounds and ethnicities and calling them just black wipes that out, you don't do that with any other people like Spanish people etc, you call them by their ethnicities not just their social construct
@Businessflip we should identify as what we will pass on to our children, which is their people, tribe language, people and their religion. And brother all that Cushitic stuff is made by white people, it's like calling ourselves black, all they want to do is erase your ethnicity and tribe, it's meant to make you forget where you come from
I love the way she carry her self
We are somali🇸🇴 full stop 🛑 no arap no africa ok we are Somali 🇸🇴
Somali girls are beautiful!
Somali men are aswell
The new generation of Somalian females are uncut now 😉
Girls are weird hahaha by there logic every ethnicity, race and group of women are beautiful, I’ve the most fattest uugliest girls post pics and 1000s of girls talking about how beautiful she is
@@UnfilteredMubarakI hope you are a women big man
Nah thats a lie
Black people thought they could try bully us our whole childhood for being Somali and are now crying we don’t claim them 🤣🤣🤣 keep crying wallahi and keep it up my Somali people we ain’t black we Somali simple.
You didn’t get bullied though you separated yourselves
@@trevormcdonald385nah real shit bro I got no need to lie I remember year 7 getting called Abdi when that’s not even my name and shit about banana and rice and the forehead jokes, but what u lot didn’t seem to realise is what u tried do to us the whites did to you and made fun of your noses and lips and the immature “chicken&watermelon” jokes or calling u “Tyrone” or “shaniqua” is when that’s not your name.
@@trevormcdonald385Believe me they did. Some did some didn’t. My family is from a small island and I used to get bantered everyday by Jamaicans because I was from a small island but not all of them are like that. Depends on the person and their experience. The difference between me and the bruddah who made the first comment is I realised not all Jamaican people are like that. Hopefully he sees that not all black are the same either. I still think there’s nothing wrong with him identifying as Somali and not Black. Fair enough.
@@trevormcdonald385 It Happened dont try lie and say we seperated ourselves
@@dennisbergkamp640 you did though y’all
Think of yourselves as superior it’s already your mentality
I think we invested in the most bunk beds in the worlds 🤣🤣🤣🤣
26:20 aint no way she didn’t know Chunkz was mali 😂
I watched beta squad for months not knowing or thinking about it.
If it doesn't pass you mind, you can go a long time without knowing.
The worst representation to have to explain the topic. Should have gotten some intellectual Somali people to speak on this
It’s a jokeeeee
title is so embarassing wth issit 2014
When he said "life is not as simple as black and white" he was really proud of that! 😂 and yes I know this is a troll mixed in with a little truth 22:55
They way they are trolling I can’t take this seriously 😂😂
Yes we Somalis are not black. I don’t know why blacks get mad just because we are proud of our heritage and claim Somali as our identity, furthermore we have nothing in common with black culture and we are simply just not like them. Period. Proud Somalis🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴
And ace Wallahi stop begging it saying we are black LOL!
But in the UK you assimilate into black culture..
But I am not mad at you being Somali and not black. As long as its not from a negative or supremacist stance, who gives af
Don’t speak for all Somalis, you’re alone on this one, who’s “we”?😊
It's the ignorant Somalis that call them selves not black but they are BLACK. It's just that you belong to a different ethnicity sub - group which is still "black"/brown. You belong to same group as the Ethiopians, Eritrean and people from Djibouti. But you still black. Because in Somalia you can find some real black-bleak looking Somalis.
@@fmjjjjn7510 stop begging it to the madows they don’t like you why would we associate with kafir culture
I absolutely love Malis
You pretty af
All love
We are not black, we are Somali🇸🇴
Yes we ain't crayons
We are not black. We are Brown and occasioned people because Somalis it's not black people. Only it's Arab, it's different people.
How is this a deep issue? We do not let foreigners create a name for us we have our own. We have always been known as SOMALIS it is our REAL name and has cultural, religious, linguistic, historical, genetic, meaning. We do not care about what a foreigner labels us that is their problem. We do not care about other foreigners demanding we adopt it with them. No thanks! That is total cultural subversion and erasure. Why do foreigners care so much?
Im somali and black. You are so confused my g.
I’m somali and not black you’re so confused period.
How about we stop labelling people, respect their identity and allow them to label themselves.
As long as their labelling is personal and they then don't disregard another persons label,then we can all learn to get along. ♥️
Thank you sister well said
W MB he was speaking Facts about how Somalis were treated Back in the Days I feel like Some Jamaicans and West Africans are tryna Keep it Under the Rugs like it didnt Happen to Portray Somalis as the Villains
Trolling whole ep 😂
Somalia The Nation Of Poets 📖
SOMALILAND IS THE LAND OF POETS NOT SOMALIA.
@@SM-df8fyMasaakiin😂
@@SM-df8fy😂😂😂 ha ina cabayn iska aamus
@@FatumaAmina-ow4kj waan arkaya in afsoomaliga kugu adagyahay. afkaaga bajuni ku hadal. Ha isku qasbin luuqada Soomalil. Awowoyaasha kume hadli jirin, waa labaray. Ku noqo afkooga - bajuni, swahil. Iskumid manu nihi - aqas aleg. Eeg xita Fathia waa inan isaaq ah - ma haysataan dad sidaa u shidan - anagaa na daawanaysaa
@@FatumaAmina-ow4kj Darbi isaaq kulaha. Hadrawi SNM buu kujirey - uff buu idhin idhi. Reer abtigaa hadey ihiin Habar Jeclo, ma isaaq baad noqotey markaa? Halkan yaa keeney qabil? Somaliland baa laga hadleya. Inantaa Habar Jeclo ku dashey, nasiib xumaa. Habar Jeclow, gudafadh walba ha noo keenina - rag iyo dhumarkiina.
Yeah we are Somalis and we are not black neither red, purple, yellow, green, pink, blue and etc. We are Somalis and we are from Somalia which is in Africa. We want to be identified like all European and Asian countries identifies themselves ( Russian, Chinese, Arab, Italian, French, Turkish, Japanese), if the black Americans are not feeling themselves anymore by not knowing where they are from, we are not going to be their psychotherapist neither we will follow any of their masters guidelines ( those who named them Black)
Again we are SOMALIS ❤❤❤🇸🇴🇸🇴.
You are right walaal.
How is this a deep issue? We do not let foreigners create a name for us we have our own. We have always been known as SOMALIS it is our REAL name and has cultural, religious, linguistic, historical, genetic, meaning. We do not care about what a foreigner labels us that is their problem. We do not care about other foreigners demanding we adopt it with them. No thanks! That is total cultural subversion and erasure. Why do foreigners care so much?
Umm Europeans are white. When someone says describe a german man they will say his a white man.
@@tiktokviral6218 look, if black Americans are trying to make us shy or feel bad about saying our own ethnicity then that is stupidity because they accepted the difference of Europe and Asian continent and they call them by their respective countries (Russian, Chinese, French, & Etc) but what is hurting me so badly is that they are forcing my people to abandon their ethnic identity. I know they don’t have ethnic name or identity apart from been called black after their masters name, but at least they have to keep their things for themselves and not to force others into their madness.
@@tiktokviral6218 what does that have to do with us Somalis? We don’t accept foreign designations we have our own with actual meaning.
@@shroble6916 brother the point is that they want to make us feel bad about saying our own ethnicity 😔🙏🏿
These man are trolling is rage bait their jokers
Poor lady she’s being trolled 😂
Yep. They're not Black. In the UK, Black has originally meant Caribbeans. The others are Africans.
Black can be a colour but it's actually more than that, it's a culture.
EXACTLY
I’m American so if I come to the UK what would you call me?? Very curious
@@darcikrisBlack american or African American
Just a bit of education and correction regarding what was said in the video. Biologically, Somali people (and people from the Horn of Africa generally) are not considered Negroid; they are classified as Caucasoid. However, race is a social construct. Many Somali people I have spoken to identify as black, while others simply identify as Somali or African, as they do not use racial labels in their country (similar to Indians and Asians, who generally identify by their ethnicity). Race is a complex and subjective topic-for example, where do we categorize mixed-race individuals? Race is too complicated and was invented to separate whites from blacks. I respect African people who choose to abandon these labels altogether and identify by their ethnicity.
I was thinking this too. I am Moroccan and considered Caucasoid since it is to do with your skull rather than your ethnicity. I'm African so what race am I? Black? White? I just say i'm Moroccan so i dont understand why this is hard to understand
Classified by who? Even Arabs are not classified Caucasian, are they not Semitic
How is this a deep issue? We do not let foreigners create a name for us we have our own. We have always been known as SOMALIS it is our REAL name and has cultural, religious, linguistic, historical, genetic, meaning. We do not care about what a foreigner labels us that is their problem. We do not care about other foreigners demanding we adopt it with them. No thanks! That is total cultural subversion and erasure. Why do foreigners care so much?
Nobody forces Indians to label themselves as brown even though the majority of them are the same skintone/ darker etc.
End of the day the term Black as far as "racial" identity was given to us not by us. There are many who don't even live a western way of life in the continent of Africa and don't even see their identity as Black. Stop projecting your views on others. Let others identify as their true identity if they want.
Africans know they’re black lol they don’t lead with it for obvious reasons but they deffo know.
How is calling yourself black an issue when ancient Egyptians called themselves kem (black)
They call themselves kem because of the soil not skin color. It's disrespectful and slave mentality to accept and identify from Europeans. Our ancestors didn't choose that English word...how come we can't call Europeans pink people?
Even tho I think I’m black I remember growing up in school and bein Somali the same African/Carribean ethnicities used to say we aren’t black & diss us 24/7, but now that we are in style we are black all of a sudden they pick & choosin
me personally as a kenyan I don't think you should claim the term "black" I don't view my self as that because our ancestors never referred to ourselves to such a derogatory term we should identify with our tribe/ethnicity
All Africans got dissed for being African get over it
@@Ehigator.real💯
Listen, Do you know who Mostafa Hefny was? He was a dark skinned Egyptian who came to America. After filling out job application, he came across the FAKE racial classifications. so he decided to put himself in the “Black” category. However, he was REFUSED to identify himself as “black African” so the company forced him to classify himself as “White.” He sued the company and the U.S government for decades with no avail.
This is why race based on a color is the STUPIDEST concept invented by the western colonial system. Yet here you have brainwashed people thinking it’s “good” to be “proud” of being black when it doesn’t exist outside of the west.
Only tribes, ethnicities, and nationalities are the true identity markers in all of human history.
@@Ehigator.Exactly! This is why the vast majority of Somalis always REJECTED western colonialism and fought against them whether it was race based on a color, partitioning of Africa, and european style of government.
It’s always important to keep your lineage intact.
He trollin when he say I no black😂 look at him smiling
The DNA of most Somalis carries a sub-clade of the Eb1b1 (Y) chromosome, which has its origins in East Africa and is predominantly found in Somali males. This DNA is over 70,000 years old and is considered one of the oldest branches of the human family tree. It is disheartening to see individuals who possess this DNA and have roots in these lands denying their black race due to the stigma attached to it.
As a Somali man who grew up in London in the early 90s, I had no problem identifying myself as a black African regardless of my skin tone. It is important to remember that even within the white population, there are different shades, and they Also belittle each other based on their whiteness.
Africa did not have these issues until recent times. We did not see each other as different colors because it was irrelevant. However, this changed when white supremacy infiltrated our cultures through those who claimed religious superiority.
It is important to recognize and celebrate the rich history and contributions of Somalia and its people. Somalia, as a region, has a long and diverse history that predates the modern nation-state. The land has been inhabited by various ethnic groups, including the Cushitic-speaking peoples who are considered the ancestors of the Somali people.
Somalia's historical significance can be traced back to ancient civilizations that thrived in the Horn of Africa region. These civilizations, such as the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and Egyptians, had interactions and trade relationships with the Somali coast. While it is true that Somali history has been intertwined with the broader African continent, it is also important to recognize the unique cultural and historical experiences of the Somali people.
Somalis have indeed been involved in pan-Africanism and have supported the struggles of other African nations. They have shown solidarity with various anti-apartheid movements, including those in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Additionally, Somali freedom fighters have inspired movements in other African countries, such as the Mau Mau movement in Kenya.
It is crucial to promote understanding, respect, and appreciation for the diverse histories and contributions of African nations and peoples. Rather than feeling shame, it is important to embrace and celebrate the achievements and resilience of black Africans throughout history.
Peace out 🎤
They’re actually hilarious
The bunk beds part had me 😅😅😅😅😂. We are black btw
Don't say we. Say I. Don't speak for the rest of us.
who is "we" mate?
I'm not black or white, I'm somali 😂
Am somali am black am proud to be black.
This is a good discussion ❤
We don't go by color we go by ethnicity ,we don't go with western standards,white people not all the same race ,Slavic anglo Saxon Celtics and others all you name it on and on
Don’t make it complicated bro the skin is black so they are black
Do you know who Mostafa Hefny was? He was a dark skinned Egyptian who came to America. After filling out job application, he came across the FAKE racial classifications. so he decided to put himself in the “Black” category. However, he was REFUSED to identify himself as “black African” so the company forced him to classify himself as “White.” He sued the company and the U.S government for decades with no avail.
This is why race based on a color is the STUPIDEST concept invented by the western colonial system. Yet here you have brainwashed people thinking it’s “good” to be “proud” of being black when it doesn’t exist outside of the west.
Only tribes, ethnicities, and nationalities are the true identity markers in all of human history.
Even THE HOLY QURAN agrees with you. Almighty GOD said "I have created you in different tribes/nation in order for you to know each other"he didn't mention the colour
@SIMBAofSIMBA Yet your prophet owned slaves. FOH.
Trolling is now a higher lvl 😂
My thing is did we call ourselves black pre American slavery or did we start calling ourselves after they told those ancestors they were black. I don't see how you can get mad at somebody for going against an ideology created by oppressors.
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Somalis were never enslaved that’s one of the reasons why they don’t claim to be black!
Yes. They were doing the enslaving. In cahoots with the arabs.
Many tribes were infact never enslaved...so....I don't know what this is about
@@faithkerubo8357what about the looks we are genetically Caucasian the hair the nose the face we are different even the culture so and most tribes were enslaved but non fought like us somalis we fought more than 20 years with the British and became the only African people the British used airstrikes coz the could not defeat us and we were colonised by 3 nations French in Djibouti British in the north and Italian in the south plus gave away part of our land and people to the Ethiopia and Kenya
@@raashidiinabdullahi5583the same look is found in West,central and North Africa...look up afro asiatic languages...black people who speak afro asiatic languages all have the same features...shock
Also...most black groups didn't fight back a lot...they once that did are called resistors...and they all bugged white people
I don’t think she is equiped on an intellectual level for an interview with this depth or level of trolling.
Somalis are not black. Some of us identify as East African and specifically as Somalis don’t see the issue there! some Somalis may choose to identify as black and that’s all their business. However it is exhausting to see efforts to shame those of us who do not claim a black identity. Our stance is not rooted in any animosity towards black people it is simply that some Somalis do not see themselves as black. The categorisation of Somalis as black was imposed by outsiders by a white colonialists and nothing literally nothing not our DNA nor believes makes us black. frustrates me the most is the sudden insistence from some blacks that we should identify as black. Just as Asians are referred to by their specific ethnicity rather than a generalised "brown people" label we should be recognised as Africans or more specifically, as Somalis. Is this too hard to understand!
Another thing to note is that Somalis are known for being proud and prideful people. When someone tells us that “if we get stopped by the police we will be generalised as a black man or woman” and the fact is we couldn't care less how others see or label us. What matters most is that we know who we are and we will stand by that.
Also get better host to speak on this topic next time this utterly embarrassing.
So when prophet Mohammed ( peace be upon him) said “the black man isn’t better than the white and the white isn’t better than the black man” you are saying we weren’t included 😂😂.. saxib take a seat you are taking this to seriously.
There's 30-40% negroid blood in Somali population according to the genome
“AMAZING QUESTION”
Somalis are East Africans who have thousands of years of trading, mixing, and socializing with the Arabs given their close proximity so overtime they became a mixture of them both… which makes them “not” black either way… Africans don’t even call themselves black they identify with their tribes… on a continent FULL of dark people, that word is non existent over there in terms of skin color…
black is a condition, the people we call black(MY PEOPLE), are the people of the diaspora, the people who lost their native tongue & taken on English, Spanish, French, Portuguese ect. Last names…. the oppressed people scattered abroad who lost their identity hence why we call ourselves all these bywords today🎯 so I don’t get offended when they don’t consider themselves black…. Kuz they not💯
New Subscriber from Somalia/Somalilander 🇸🇴 such a lovely video btw
AMAZING QUESTION!!
As a Somali we are East African
Exactly you either call us Somali or East Africans but don’t call us black or white
As a black american woman, indigenous to Oklahoma!!! Trust and believe the world media see you as black Africans and they don't care how you feel about it!
I’m from Somali 🇸🇴 and I’m black and I’m proud to be black
Exactly we are proud to be black
As a black american woman, Oklahoman I'm proud also!!! Everyone nonblack wants to be black. Tanning salons are high with them trying be black. 😆
We Somalis, we are our own ethnicity, we are not like Bantu people, or west Africans
@mazatoshi7501....As if Bantu or West Africans are a ethnicities on there own. You clearly not a smart Somali one can clearly see. Bantu is made up terminology by European antropologist. West Africans incompass extreme diverse ethnic groups from Fulani to Yoruba to Tuaregs to Mandinka and non of them are so called ''bantu'' as some you ignorant Somalis love to say. ( this is not to smart Somalis who are educated and know what up, big up to you lot.
STOP IT. Somalia has many languages and ethnicities. I think you mean Somaliland. Somaliland has Somali.
Then why you are mad most of Somali people are black
Ok why you’re mad
Chill out bro bantu and west Africans are our distant cousins. We are all black as a race then all African! Be proud of what ALLAH made us ALLAH made us black and put us in Africa for a reason. ALLAH/GOD doesn’t make mistakes! We share more with our fellow Africans west and east than Arabs look at our ancient hut homes made out of straw it’s found all over Africa look at the way we used to dress it’s the same with most of Africa look at our ancient dances it’s similar with most other Africans. We don’t share nothing with Arabs other than our religion and Africa is 40% Muslim so ur logic is not valid
These guys are unserious wallahi 😂😂 you lot are taking them seriously 😂
Ace is so beautiful 😩
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Gorgeous Masallah
In english a man is handsome not beautiful 😅
We Somalis identify ourselves as Somali not Black. 🇸🇴
We identify ourselves as Somalis because we have a country called Somalia. As for African Americans, they identify themselves by their color because they do not know from which country their ancestors came. As for Britain, someone who came as a Jamaican says, “I am Jamaican,” and does not identify himself by his color.
Before anything we Somali, the best supermodel IMAN was called her time she is not black by other blacks.
These guys are hilarious😂
We Somali don't identify ourselves with a colour. Black is a colour and not identity. You can say that Somali are African and we accept that.
Identifying people with colour came from the European Colonialism and we Somali don't like that. 😊
Ok but they’re still black people because thier skin is black tho
No it didn't, it's actually a very very ancient term! Don't let the devils trickology trick you, black is divine and of the cosmos!!! Triple 9ether beings from the star systems!!!! All colors came from that black crayon even the albino!!! Learn that in kindergarten 😆
1st off Somali women are some of the finest women on the plant. 2nd The term “Black” is a social construct given to so called “ African Americans” to erase us from our legacy with this non-descendible title. “Black” American culture is the number one influence on the planet so “Black” actually unites us but it is not, I repeat it is NOT a Nationality like Somali. I encourage every person with a Nationality to honor that identity 1st because calling yourself “Black” removes you from your true heritage, and identity. This is why we “Black” in America will never receive reparations, I don’t care how much or who is talking about it. We will NEVER get reparations while we are calling ourselves “Black” that is awarded to Nations that have been harmed. “Black” is not a Nation, neither is NEGRO or COLORED for those from South Africa. Honor your language, culture and nationality Fam and don’t be blinded by Colonial terminology
This is a yearly topic at this point 🤣
Agree 💯💯👍👍
They know it’ll gain traction Somalis are active on social media
It slowed down for quite some time, i noticed after 2020 a lot more of them were claiming black so I'm surprised it's resurfaced.