you are correct about the internal and external bits...KF requires internal and external force, the sounds allows the fighter to breathe while strengthening his attack. i have practiced hung gar my whole life and it is the BEST!!!
1) the begining of the this set (like the first 2 min) is internal dragon. I guess I can understand how someone, who did not know practice Hung Gar would think it was Iron Wire , because the internal dragon portion of the set is somewhat similar. 2) As part of the dragon portion ( as with other areas in the set) the sounds trigger development in the internal organs (liver, kidneys, etc).
Don't get me wrong, the martial arts fascinate and astound me to no end, but I must admit... I laughed VERY hard at 1:17. Sounded almost like a bottle rocket.
The set is called 5 Animal 5 Elements because of the five animal forms (tiger, crane, snake, leopard, and the dragon)and five element forms(water, earth, wood, metal, and fire)contained within it. Hung Gar is the style.
I think the five elements are omitted for the film..also, the opening section is only done on one side, also for the film...still absolutely bad ass that they put a traditional form in a movie and left the vocalizations the way they are supposed to be
Those are not just any noises, there is an ancient Taoist techinique that uses noises to massage internal organs, hung gar also has an internal practice technigue "The Iron Thread" that uses noises but it is possible thru the ages that those noises may have been altered and lost their meaning, but if you want to look for the Taoist ones just search for master Mantak Chia and you will found lots of stuff and ancient knowledge on his books
@tranglomango u do understand that in hung ga there are tones coinciding with the 5 elements right? each element is assigned to a specific organ and animal. what bruce did was unnecessary screaming for visual purposes.look up iron wire and you will see what i mean.This version was propogated by wong fei hung and certain tones are said to resonate certain organs.hung ga existed before bruce and tit kiu sam was famous before bruce
When you are proficient in the external arts, in order to take your art to the next level you have to focus on the internal. People always dismiss what they do not understand. Not good to do, epecially in martial arts.
Haha the style and sounds are what makes it such a good martial art. Your opponent will either be terrified or not take you seriously, in either situation you now have the advantage.
@MrAbeD09 That stance is called "Yi Ji Kim Yeung Ma" (Cantonese) or "Er Zi Qian Yang Ma" (Mandardin). While it is extensively used in Wing Chun, it is also present in all Southern Chinese martial arts. Actually, all stances (cat, horse, bow, reverse bow, twisting, etc.) should contain the basic structure of this stance.
I notice a fair amount of similarities between both arts and also Hung Ga and Choy Li Fut. It's like Hung is in the middle and branches off in one direction to Wing Chun and another direction to CLF.
If you do research hung ga's highest and most powerful form, albeit funny, is an amalgamation of qi gong and knowledge of the body. Each tone is designed to resonate an internal organ,assigned with an element. Wong Fei Hung who learned this form from Tit Kiu Sarm is a very well documented in the PRC and true doctor. Do research next time.
@ubiho Bruce's shout wasn't for the movies, before he was a movie star he was and is a martial artist, someone who trains to kill in order to avoid being killed and that's something this guy haven't done...Bruce Lee way of shouting is from the crane kung fu style, not just the Crane but a secret style called Ancestral Crane
Monkey (aka Ta Sheng Pek Kwar) is an animal form but it is associated more with Northern Shao Lin vs Southern Hung Gar. Wind is not a traditional Chinese element.
Nice, I didn't know that. The style I practice uses a very similar form, we call Ma-Bu, based on a horse. The style is Yau-Man, today we only have here in Brazil, and few masters, we don't trein for competitions.
It's Hung Gar. Both styles share some stances and techniques. Both styles come from around the same place and time, so it is believed their creators exchanged some tips.
Its not really the "goat holder" but a variant of Ma Bo i personally know as "Tjorh" Ma (not speaking cantonese so i have no idea what it means) from the Tran Family Art, its a pretty useful stance for development of the legs on one hand, plus the transition from ordinary Ma Bo to Tjorh Ma adds rooting power to a strike. Works on the same principle as the Wing Chun stance, since most Southern styles share the same roots and can be considered cousins.
@kapoof2 true, but forms are designed as fights against imaginary opponents. Forms are learned like five steps at a time because the focus is on learning how each move works so that in a fight you can use several elements of your forms
Lam Jo, the living legend of Hung Gar, and #1 student of Lam Sai Wing who was the #1 student of Wong Fei Hung himself, credits his awesome strength and Vitality to Tid Sin Kuen which was taught to Wong Fei Hung by the #1 student of Tid Kiu Sam who was the number one of the ten tigers. This form is merely meant to be a bridge between the Hung Gar forms and Tid Sin Kuen form which was originally choreographed by Wong Fei Hung as the 5 Animal form and later the 5 elements added by Lam Sai Wing
@antebellumraus3 i understand, the point i was trying to make is that u wouldnt use the exact form in a bar brawl, u would mix and match the movements in the best way u know how, u wouldnt do the exact form, thats what i was trying to say
Amazing action sequence. WoW!! Gurukulam communication are also promoting kalaripayattu the traditional art form of kerala must visit & Suggest us. Thank you .
k, i wasn't saying that his form was bad. Now that i take a second look it isn't. However, it is forms like these that give kung fu a bad rap. the oooooooooooooo and the grunts are just show crap. True i use calls in my own forms and they don't sound like a dieing elephant. I just think the calls ruin it.
@tranglomango forms arent for fighting, they are for exercise, to form muscle memory, not to fight, that is why u do not understand, i guaruntee he is a great fighter, and not because of his forms, but because of his dedication
@ubiho hung gar, wing chun or whatever are just styles, they are basics, just the shell while kung fu essence it's the nut, and while u follow styles u are restricted and not totaly free, one must study kung fu HARDER just as Bruce Lee did to surpass the need of Styles to babysit his trainning, something this actor hasn't achieved, a formless and personified fighting way
ummm wayne husbands who is the Uk rep for lau family hung gar will be teaching me plum blossom fist at the end of the month. Franky bolte (or frankylau) has disciples in the Philippines. both these ppl were taught either directly by LKL or Mark Ho a disciple of LKL and master of lau family huung gar
I was not aware the study of M.A. included being disrespectful of another's style and technique. The amount of snarkiness in some of these posts is truly disheartening.
Lol you all try to compare him to Bruce but do any of you know his name... Exactly like you said but still isn't true he's one of the best in the MOVIES real life Bruce,Jet, or even Chan can take this guy is why they all got the part
Btw ....bruce lees complete foundation is wing chun kung fu...he just later on modified it with karate/tae kwan do kicks and boxing when he was residing in the us...but hands down...one of the greatest of all time...but there were also other great ones such as this man performing in the footage
@ubiho he still needs FORMS just as many of u do...he can't think for himself, he needs forms to know what to do while fighting and that's miserable...pitifull souls of the "styles" concept...just don't fuck ur heads more than they are with this, I say he used it to gain atention even if he did it because of some form he's doing, he is not expressin himself as a real fighter....Bruce Lee had Kung Fu deep-seated in his heart and u know Him for that....
@ubiho what ever...I'm talkin about kung fu itself just as your boyfriend quyen not about bruce leaVE THE MAN ALON HE DIED ALREADY DUDE, I just don't care
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you are correct about the internal and external bits...KF requires internal and external force, the sounds allows the fighter to breathe while strengthening his attack. i have practiced hung gar my whole life and it is the BEST!!!
Awesome exhibition of five elements. One of the fewest actor artists who seems to exhibit training and precision in performance of Hung Gar styles.
1) the begining of the this set (like the first 2 min) is internal dragon. I guess I can understand how someone, who did not know practice Hung Gar would think it was Iron Wire , because the internal dragon portion of the set is somewhat similar. 2) As part of the dragon portion ( as with other areas in the set) the sounds trigger development in the internal organs (liver, kidneys, etc).
Don't get me wrong, the martial arts fascinate and astound me to no end, but I must admit...
I laughed VERY hard at 1:17. Sounded almost like a bottle rocket.
The set is called 5 Animal 5 Elements because of the five animal forms (tiger, crane, snake, leopard, and the dragon)and five element forms(water, earth, wood, metal, and fire)contained within it. Hung Gar is the style.
I think the five elements are omitted for the film..also, the opening section is only done on one side, also for the film...still absolutely bad ass that they put a traditional form in a movie and left the vocalizations the way they are supposed to be
Those are not just any noises, there is an ancient Taoist techinique that uses noises to massage internal organs, hung gar also has an internal practice technigue "The Iron Thread" that uses noises but it is possible thru the ages that those noises may have been altered and lost their meaning, but if you want to look for the Taoist ones just search for master Mantak Chia and you will found lots of stuff and ancient knowledge on his books
I am honoured to have helped, and apologize for my earlier rude comment, a man who can accept anothers point of view is never a fool
wow. Not just your average paid actor, it is obvious that this guy has an idea of what this form is about. Very nice Sup Yin kuen.
on mute,
this video rocks.
on mid volume,
i can't even take it seriously
hahahhaa
those are the funniest sounds of concentration i've ever heard.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
@tranglomango u do understand that in hung ga there are tones coinciding with the 5 elements right? each element is assigned to a specific organ and animal. what bruce did was unnecessary screaming for visual purposes.look up iron wire and you will see what i mean.This version was propogated by wong fei hung and certain tones are said to resonate certain organs.hung ga existed before bruce and tit kiu sam was famous before bruce
Hung Gar classic kathi A great movie and a superb actor, one of the best of all times.
Its the sap ying kuen from the Hung Gar Style. Its performed bei Chi Kuan Chun, whos MAster was Chiu Wai....
When you are proficient in the external arts, in order to take your art to the next level you have to focus on the internal. People always dismiss what they do not understand. Not good to do, epecially in martial arts.
Haha the style and sounds are what makes it such a good martial art. Your opponent will either be terrified or not take you seriously, in either situation you now have the advantage.
To isolate certain organs and shake/massage them for health/strength...
The last two Hung pillar sets do this.
I respect all martial arts and martial artists but the scene at 1:17 just made me laugh real hard.
Thanks for posting the vid.
@MrAbeD09 That stance is called "Yi Ji Kim Yeung Ma" (Cantonese) or "Er Zi Qian Yang Ma" (Mandardin). While it is extensively used in Wing Chun, it is also present in all Southern Chinese martial arts. Actually, all stances (cat, horse, bow, reverse bow, twisting, etc.) should contain the basic structure of this stance.
I notice a fair amount of similarities between both arts and also Hung Ga and Choy Li Fut. It's like Hung is in the middle and branches off in one direction to Wing Chun and another direction to CLF.
sweet! lar gar is not to be played with, beautiful, every version of it.
If you do research hung ga's highest and most powerful form, albeit funny, is an amalgamation of qi gong and knowledge of the body. Each tone is designed to resonate an internal organ,assigned with an element. Wong Fei Hung who learned this form from Tit Kiu Sarm is a very well documented in the PRC and true doctor. Do research next time.
@ubiho Bruce's shout wasn't for the movies, before he was a movie star he was and is a martial artist, someone who trains to kill in order to avoid being killed and that's something this guy haven't done...Bruce Lee way of shouting is from the crane kung fu style, not just the Crane but a secret style called Ancestral Crane
Awesome,Thank you.
Monkey (aka Ta Sheng Pek Kwar) is an animal form but it is associated more with Northern Shao Lin vs Southern Hung Gar. Wind is not a traditional Chinese element.
Nice, I didn't know that.
The style I practice uses a very similar form, we call Ma-Bu, based on a horse.
The style is Yau-Man, today we only have here in Brazil, and few masters, we don't trein for competitions.
Yes, the style shown in the video is Hung Gar, I was talking about another one.
It's Hung Gar. Both styles share some stances and techniques. Both styles come from around the same place and time, so it is believed their creators exchanged some tips.
awesome, and sad movie :(
in this form you have to do the sound's for energize your body and gain more qi.
k thanks for the info
been wondering for a while
yea exact same here. I was thinking "What, is he about to say he's a pretty girl?"
would love to see iron wire for the comedic sounds. good form man.
...the title of the video says hung gar so I have to believe that this is hung gar...
Its not really the "goat holder" but a variant of Ma Bo i personally know as "Tjorh" Ma (not speaking cantonese so i have no idea what it means) from the Tran Family Art, its a pretty useful stance for development of the legs on one hand, plus the transition from ordinary Ma Bo to Tjorh Ma adds rooting power to a strike. Works on the same principle as the Wing Chun stance, since most Southern styles share the same roots and can be considered cousins.
@kapoof2 true, but forms are designed as fights against imaginary opponents. Forms are learned like five steps at a time because the focus is on learning how each move works so that in a fight you can use several elements of your forms
Lam Jo, the living legend of Hung Gar, and #1 student of Lam Sai Wing who was the #1 student of Wong Fei Hung himself, credits his awesome strength and Vitality to Tid Sin Kuen which was taught to Wong Fei Hung by the #1 student of Tid Kiu Sam who was the number one of the ten tigers. This form is merely meant to be a bridge between the Hung Gar forms and Tid Sin Kuen form which was originally choreographed by Wong Fei Hung as the 5 Animal form and later the 5 elements added by Lam Sai Wing
Isn't this form similar to the one by Chiu Chi Ling?
Omg, this form looks so tiring... Tiger Crane is already enough for me lol But this form is excellent for training endurance, strength and power =)
Chi Kwan Chun is a student of Master Chiu Wai, son of Chiu Kau, disciple of Lam Sai Wing.
@antebellumraus3 i understand, the point i was trying to make is that u wouldnt use the exact form in a bar brawl, u would mix and match the movements in the best way u know how, u wouldnt do the exact form, thats what i was trying to say
He use iron wire
suddenly i felt like going to the bathroom.....hmmmmmmmph haaaaaa hiiiiooooooo haaaaahhh hai ho.....hwaaa oops..
Amazing action sequence. WoW!! Gurukulam communication are also promoting kalaripayattu the traditional art form of kerala must visit & Suggest us. Thank you .
How noisy
Is this Wing Chun?
He uses the wing chun form
k, i wasn't saying that his form was bad. Now that i take a second look it isn't. However, it is forms like these that give kung fu a bad rap. the oooooooooooooo and the grunts are just show crap. True i use calls in my own forms and they don't sound like a dieing elephant. I just think the calls ruin it.
@tranglomango forms arent for fighting, they are for exercise, to form muscle memory, not to fight, that is why u do not understand, i guaruntee he is a great fighter, and not because of his forms, but because of his dedication
Is the movie called hung gar 5 animals 5 elements?
You Never seen Toph making that noise
a.k.a. hour glass stance for all us english only types.
@ubiho hung gar, wing chun or whatever are just styles, they are basics, just the shell while kung fu essence it's the nut, and while u follow styles u are restricted and not totaly free, one must study kung fu HARDER just as Bruce Lee did to surpass the need of Styles to babysit his trainning, something this actor hasn't achieved, a formless and personified fighting way
no boxers rebellion
Which kung fu movie is this from?
name of the movie please.?
what shaw brothers movie is this from?
ummm wayne husbands who is the Uk rep for lau family hung gar will be teaching me plum blossom fist at the end of the month. Franky bolte (or frankylau) has disciples in the Philippines. both these ppl were taught either directly by LKL or Mark Ho a disciple of LKL and master of lau family huung gar
I was not aware the study of M.A. included being disrespectful of another's style and technique. The amount of snarkiness in some of these posts is truly disheartening.
at 0:52, i thought thats a wing chun stance.
@kapoof2
lol, i know what you mean, i do kung fu but if i knew this form I wouldn't perform it in front of others :P.
Lol you all try to compare him to Bruce but do any of you know his name... Exactly like you said but still isn't true he's one of the best in the MOVIES real life Bruce,Jet, or even Chan can take this guy is why they all got the part
it says in the info ><
the boxer's rebellion
lmao someone please educate me why the hell is he making those wierd noises???
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Btw ....bruce lees complete foundation is wing chun kung fu...he just later on modified it with karate/tae kwan do kicks and boxing when he was residing in the us...but hands down...one of the greatest of all time...but there were also other great ones such as this man performing in the footage
Lmao.
@ubiho he still needs FORMS just as many of u do...he can't think for himself, he needs forms to know what to do while fighting and that's miserable...pitifull souls of the "styles" concept...just don't fuck ur heads more than they are with this, I say he used it to gain atention even if he did it because of some form he's doing, he is not expressin himself as a real fighter....Bruce Lee had Kung Fu deep-seated in his heart and u know Him for that....
lol im sorry but i cannot take those screeches seriously
his hung gar is probably better than yours. Hips are right, shoulders are relaxed and they don't bounce like americans do.
and they keep imitating bruce lee....what a shame!
@ubiho what ever...I'm talkin about kung fu itself just as your boyfriend quyen not about bruce leaVE THE MAN ALON HE DIED ALREADY DUDE, I just don't care
disgraceful
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