This obscure video has the "THE SECRET / " The Heart" of the golf swing in it. PASSIVE no tension wrists is the key component to great ball striking. Combine that with a lateral "body move" (throw the clubhead), and you've pretty much mastered the swing
Allis was a golfing icon, Hogan said he wishes he had 3 right hands, & the greatest J, W Nicklaus sometimes, by his own admission had to ask his wife to screw the lid off jars of marmalade,
I do like this video a lot of the discussion unfortunately in the video he shows two completely different types of swings! That first one is holding the lag or using the angular momentum or the flail a lot more powerfully as a swing. Varden on the other hand to me looks more like he does a slap hinge type of release where he lets his left wrist break down through impact. That would be two completely different types of flails! One is radial ulnar and the other is extension flexion. That's going to make the club do very different things in your body will be doing very different things based on those two flail systems
Also in the video the Egyptian flail is completely different than the scythe. Then he goes straight into an ax also. That's not a flail. This is why golf gets so confusing you throw out all these different concepts and different types of motions but they never clarify exactly what each motion and concept is doing. It never gets to a deeper point it's very shallow. So do I fling it like a whip? Do I swing it like an ax? Do I swing it like a hammer? Do I swing it like a scythe?
in a "freewheeling" golf "swing" the golfer NEVER "applies power" at any time during the swing. The golfer simply turns at a constant rate and lets centripetal acceleration do the work for her. Effortless power vs powerless effort.. Not sure why Aliss had to muddy the waters with his diatribe about "cracking a whip" or "spinning a top if anyone spins a top anymore" or "applying power here" when there is no application of power in a 'swingers' action. Also the most logical grip for a swinger is a grip that brings both hands as close to a common central pivot point as possible and the only golfer in history that figured that out to my knowledge is Jim Furyk with his double overlap grip. Couples and Singh go a step further by actually allowing the right palm to let go of the shaft through impact thereby taking full advantage of the freewheeling flail by incorporating a single pivot point around the left wrist.Yet Vardon gets the credit for a grip that isn't the most efficient one for a swinger and everyone copies it because it is the one that is the most talked about. The word 'enigma' was invented to describe the game of golf in one word.
+TheNYgolfer Hang on, whilst I agree with most of what you say, to state a golfer "never applies power" is simply not true? It's applied by the movement of the body back to the ball ... either a turn or gravity or a combination of both depending upon the length of the back-swing. If gravity alone, such a down-swing wont result in a powerful release, just one that might work great on the park course, but it wont compete on tour. Besides, most golfers want to maximise their power. General rules do not apply ... Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy dip into the start of their down-swing in addition to applying a torque. The dip provides extra "snap"at the ball by lifting up the lever system back upwards when approaching impact. That's the "cracking of the whip" effect right there. When they were kids they didn't have the strength or body-weight to drive the club without that little move, and it has remained with them since, despite efforts to "purify" their swing as adults. "Ideal" or "pure" models of golf-swings are ok in theory, but rarely translate to humans. The "plane" is compound, as are the levers and fulcrums. We are not wire-men with pin-joints. There is no such thing as a "single plane", just a blend of up, backwards, down, forwards with rotation. I doubt if anyone has a swing where a single part remains in place apart from the left foot perhaps? Some player have joints that are very flexible and promote bigger lag , like Hogan and Garcia. That gives them a natural edge. And in respect of power, all long driving competitors do power training .... not just to add body weight!
+SearchBucket2 Pure "swingers" don't "apply power". By "apply power" I mean they do not apply any hand action to accelerate the club at any point.The hands just hold on to the club. Guys like Couples , Els ,Montgomery ,Singh etc., have these silky , smooth as butter swings because they use the rotation of the body to trigger the AUTOMATIC release of the club through centripetal acceleration (often incorrectly referred to as centrifugal force). They simply unwind at a constant RPM and let physics do the work . So technically one could argue that they apply power because they use torque (unwinding of the body) to trigger centripetal acceleration of the clubhead but as Montgomery once said all he thinks about on the downswing is to keep turning. Unwind the body at a constant RPM (no quick and jerky acceleration from the top ) , hold the club very lightly and the club will release automatically resulting in consistent low points. "Hitters" on the other hand do apply right shoulder/arm/hand action (axe handle technique) to accelerate the club which has very little in common with a swinger. So when comparing golfers it is important to know if he is a hitter or swinger so as not to compare apples with oranges.
TheNYgolfer Agreed, but all you are saying is that "swingers" don't apply power from muscles in the hands or arms ..... but they DO apply power from the core ... at the transition. It's misleading to state they don't accelerate the club. To make something move (or change direction) requires a force to be applied, and force results in acceleration. I know it sounds pedantic. To start the club back requires energy stored as the back-swing ends to rebound at the start of the down-swing. Gravity alone will only work if the back-swing is relatively short (the arms falling) AND there is a "pause" .... very rare. Anyway, there are players who are combined swingers/hitters, and I'd go as far as to say they are the vast majority. Pure swingers went out with hickory shafts ... modern players "set" a shaft then have it unload through the point of impact, assuming they have the right shaft.
Personally I think they do apply power from the hands and arms. My personal theory is that Hogan's secret had to do with understanding something about the correlation of strength and stretch. Stretchyness = strength. First you create stretch then the strength comes when you contract back against the stretch. The left forearm really does stuff, and so does the right wrist/hand hinge. It's all about feel, which for Hogan was all about converting stretchyness to strength, and if you could actually measure what was going on in his muscles you'd see there was plenty happening in all the muscles from his feet to his fingertips.
When you want to make a child go faster on a swing, are you using your hands, arms, torso, core, down pressuring into the ground with the feet, dancing with the feet, leading with the left arm, while the shoulders remain back, kicking the knee too the right, leading with the hips, then rotating the torso while the arms go along for a ride, ..... golf instruction is very confusing.
The answer is probably all .... ultimately you have to build a bridge between the point(s) of resistance (the ground) and the point(s) you want to apply a force (the club head via the handle). The problem is there are so many ways to build that "bridge", some more efficient than others. That's where all the "confusion" occurs. A "good" technique will get maximum clubhead speed for the least effort, although this may not result in a technique giving the most accuracy! More confused? ;)
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All RUclips pros should watch this very simple advice before handing out all the guff they do nowadays.
This lesson saved my golf life!
This obscure video has the "THE SECRET / " The Heart" of the golf swing in it.
PASSIVE no tension wrists is the key component to great ball striking.
Combine that with a lateral "body move" (throw the clubhead), and you've pretty much mastered the swing
got to love aliss
Can you post the rest of this video?
Where is the rest of the film?
Allis was a golfing icon, Hogan said he wishes he had 3 right hands, & the greatest J, W Nicklaus sometimes, by his own admission had to ask his wife to screw the lid off jars of marmalade,
I do like this video a lot of the discussion unfortunately in the video he shows two completely different types of swings! That first one is holding the lag or using the angular momentum or the flail a lot more powerfully as a swing. Varden on the other hand to me looks more like he does a slap hinge type of release where he lets his left wrist break down through impact. That would be two completely different types of flails! One is radial ulnar and the other is extension flexion. That's going to make the club do very different things in your body will be doing very different things based on those two flail systems
Also in the video the Egyptian flail is completely different than the scythe. Then he goes straight into an ax also. That's not a flail. This is why golf gets so confusing you throw out all these different concepts and different types of motions but they never clarify exactly what each motion and concept is doing. It never gets to a deeper point it's very shallow. So do I fling it like a whip? Do I swing it like an ax? Do I swing it like a hammer? Do I swing it like a scythe?
in a "freewheeling" golf "swing" the golfer NEVER "applies power" at any time during the swing. The golfer simply turns at a constant rate and lets centripetal acceleration do the work for her. Effortless power vs powerless effort.. Not sure why Aliss had to muddy the waters with his diatribe about "cracking a whip" or "spinning a top if anyone spins a top anymore" or "applying power here" when there is no application of power in a 'swingers' action. Also the most logical grip for a swinger is a grip that brings both hands as close to a common central pivot point as possible and the only golfer in history that figured that out to my knowledge is Jim Furyk with his double overlap grip. Couples and Singh go a step further by actually allowing the right palm to let go of the shaft through impact thereby taking full advantage of the freewheeling flail by incorporating a single pivot point around the left wrist.Yet Vardon gets the credit for a grip that isn't the most efficient one for a swinger and everyone copies it because it is the one that is the most talked about. The word 'enigma' was invented to describe the game of golf in one word.
+TheNYgolfer
Hang on, whilst I agree with most of what you say, to state a golfer "never applies power" is simply not true? It's applied by the movement of the body back to the ball ... either a turn or gravity or a combination of both depending upon the length of the back-swing. If gravity alone, such a down-swing wont result in a powerful release, just one that might work great on the park course, but it wont compete on tour. Besides, most golfers want to maximise their power.
General rules do not apply ... Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy dip into the start of their down-swing in addition to applying a torque. The dip provides extra "snap"at the ball by lifting up the lever system back upwards when approaching impact. That's the "cracking of the whip" effect right there. When they were kids they didn't have the strength or body-weight to drive the club without that little move, and it has remained with them since, despite efforts to "purify" their swing as adults.
"Ideal" or "pure" models of golf-swings are ok in theory, but rarely translate to humans. The "plane" is compound, as are the levers and fulcrums. We are not wire-men with pin-joints. There is no such thing as a "single plane", just a blend of up, backwards, down, forwards with rotation. I doubt if anyone has a swing where a single part remains in place apart from the left foot perhaps? Some player have joints that are very flexible and promote bigger lag , like Hogan and Garcia. That gives them a natural edge.
And in respect of power, all long driving competitors do power training .... not just to add body weight!
+SearchBucket2
Pure "swingers" don't "apply power". By "apply power" I mean they do not apply any hand action to accelerate the club at any point.The hands just hold on to the club. Guys like Couples , Els ,Montgomery ,Singh etc., have these silky , smooth as butter swings because they use the rotation of the body to trigger the AUTOMATIC release of the club through centripetal acceleration (often incorrectly referred to as centrifugal force). They simply unwind at a constant RPM and let physics do the work . So technically one could argue that they apply power because they use torque (unwinding of the body) to trigger centripetal acceleration of the clubhead but as Montgomery once said all he thinks about on the downswing is to keep turning. Unwind the body at a constant RPM (no quick and jerky acceleration from the top ) , hold the club very lightly and the club will release automatically resulting in consistent low points. "Hitters" on the other hand do apply right shoulder/arm/hand action (axe handle technique) to accelerate the club which has very little in common with a swinger. So when comparing golfers it is important to know if he is a hitter or swinger so as not to compare apples with oranges.
TheNYgolfer
Agreed, but all you are saying is that "swingers" don't apply power from muscles in the hands or arms ..... but they DO apply power from the core ... at the transition.
It's misleading to state they don't accelerate the club. To make something move (or change direction) requires a force to be applied, and force results in acceleration. I know it sounds pedantic.
To start the club back requires energy stored as the back-swing ends to rebound at the start of the down-swing. Gravity alone will only work if the back-swing is relatively short (the arms falling) AND there is a "pause" .... very rare.
Anyway, there are players who are combined swingers/hitters, and I'd go as far as to say they are the vast majority. Pure swingers went out with hickory shafts ... modern players "set" a shaft then have it unload through the point of impact, assuming they have the right shaft.
This is a rotational powered swing, a leverage powered swing applies force up to impact.
Personally I think they do apply power from the hands and arms.
My personal theory is that Hogan's secret had to do with understanding something about the correlation of strength and stretch. Stretchyness = strength. First you create stretch then the strength comes when you contract back against the stretch. The left forearm really does stuff, and so does the right wrist/hand hinge. It's all about feel, which for Hogan was all about converting stretchyness to strength, and if you could actually measure what was going on in his muscles you'd see there was plenty happening in all the muscles from his feet to his fingertips.
When you want to make a child go faster on a swing, are you using your hands, arms, torso, core, down pressuring into the ground with the feet, dancing with the feet, leading with the left arm, while the shoulders remain back, kicking the knee too the right, leading with the hips, then rotating the torso while the arms go along for a ride, ..... golf instruction is very confusing.
The answer is probably all .... ultimately you have to build a bridge between the point(s) of resistance (the ground) and the point(s) you want to apply a force (the club head via the handle).
The problem is there are so many ways to build that "bridge", some more efficient than others. That's where all the "confusion" occurs.
A "good" technique will get maximum clubhead speed for the least effort, although this may not result in a technique giving the most accuracy!
More confused? ;)
Men have been exploiting the advantage of that hahaha