This GPU crashes when a driver is loaded... But why?
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Want to see a part 2 with a teardown and examination of the card. This problem is too interesting to not get a definitive answer imo.
Get Louis Rossmann involved!
Does he try to sell me a 2k monitor that's known to be shit to fix it from Samsung because it was free????????
I cant remember the channel but there is another RUclipsr who tries to do board diagnostics with GPU's. BPS has sent him cards before.
@@Zetharion1 Are you thinking of Buildzoid/Actually Hardcore Overclocking?
Don't worry there won't be a part 2 🤔😃.
"this one of those demon cards where youre just like 🤷♂️" well it is 31 days of Jaytober
True
Well bake it
Jay should run Nvidia Modular diagnostic software - MODS, that should tell him which memory module is acting fucky, since this indeed is a memory issue.
AMD bought ATI in 2006, Bulldozer didn't exist til 2011. That looks to be a 5970 which is one of the best cards from its era.
Bulldozer was developed under the premiss that more compute stuff will be shifted over to the GPU. AMD bought ATI, so this seemed like a good idea.
Unfortunately is wasn't. But looking at the situation today, AMD was not wrong, but a few years too early.
it look very simular to my cousin's 5870, so i think you are right
@@johnscaramis2515 no, Bulldozer was built under the premise that more cores would be used, which didn't happen when Bulldozer was new. The only saving grace of Bulldozer is, when 8 integer cores are used, then it's relatively fast. Otherwise it behaves like a weak 4 core CPU.
This is HD 5970 Dual GPU , I still use one of this in my PC xd
I remeber i wanted to buy this card but couldn't afford it
I appreciate the appreciation for DDU. I was one of the earliest contributors when Wagnard (the creator) first posted about the program on Guru3d sometime in 2013 (I think it was 2013?). The guy was hated on big time, and nobody liked what he was doing, and to see how far he managed to take it, and to know that I was supportive and very involved in the code early on, and to now see it appreciated for what it is and for Wagnard to have had that success... It's nice to see.
DDU is fine, but nothing at all beats a total wipe and provided you've setup your PC properly (set partitions if only 1hdd) all your games and stuff and still stored, you can fully reinstall windows 10/11 and be back gaming within 30mins.
DDU is useless, just un-install the drivers like normal. since DDU has come out i used it a total of 1 time, and thought it was dumb because the way the drivers are installed by manufacturers like Nvidia and AMD now, when you remove them it takes all the crap with them. back in 2013? yeah things would be left behind but not anymore, making DDU irrelevant.
@@thelasthallow imagine being this miserable sounding lmao
@@thelasthallow ddu used to remove all drivers by mistake some time, and no, a fresh windows install is quicker.
@@Ionstorm explain how to move all my files to a separate partition
Ok this video confirms it, Jay is omniscient because:
1) This week I needed to learn how to flash a BIOS because I converted my FTW3 to a hybrid and needed to convert it back but the prepackaged tool to revert back didn't work. This video would've been a great intro into the risks etc.
2) Months earlier I was building my first custom loop and Jay did a Water-cooling for beginners video with Corsair.
3) Also a few months ago I needed to understand if an OC on the 11900K would see any improvement vs a 10900K and Jay did a video on that as well.
Jay clearly is operating on a different plane of existence...
Keep it up though! The info has been invaluable and taught me so much!
Why did you have to mod / change the bios just to put a watercooler on the gpu?
Either that or he's checking your search history for content ideas.
@@TLM-Nathan my guess is so that it could control the pump more precisely than it would a fan
@@TLM-Nathan hey, so EVGA allows you to put the hybrid BIOS on an air card if you convert because the air version has 3x fans that cool different parts of the card vs the hybrid with only 2 fans and you still need to control the pump speed on the AIO (also different LEDs). In the end I was being stupidly optimistic about fitting it in my case without draining my existing loop and figured it wasn't worth the effort and wanted to revert back (I borrowed the conversion kit and I was doing it to see whether putting a waterblock on the card was worth it). The program on the forum to convert to stock wouldn't work so I had to source the original BIOS, remove the write protection which would allow it to flash the original version (the flashing tool would see it as me trying to flash a BIOS from a different type of card which can brick things hence it trying to stop you).
@Laydn. This time no, but in the end yes, albeit being pointless. In the end I went for the normal (400W) BIOS on the "main" switch and XOC BIOS on the second switch with a 450W power limit and +118% power draw. Turns out it was pointless because the card never draws more than +-380W thanks to EVGA using analog voltage controllers instead of digital so it's an Ultra Overclocking card with a binned chip hampered by poor voltage delivery. Kinda sucks but you live and learn.
Just a note that I'm sure you're already aware of, but the Windows auto-installing GPU driver in the background after a DDU is why the DDU instructions urge you to disconnect your internet connection prior to cleaning and rebooting (you need to have the driver installer pre-downloaded and waiting before you go into safe mode to run DDU). This way you can be 100% sure that the GPU driver installed is only the one you manually told it to install.
I had a similar issue a couple years ago. Windows update was trying to install an Nvidia driver that was different than the one GeForce Experience installed and they basically ended up fighting each other and making my PC a nightmare to use. I ended up disabling Windows update, disabling GE auto-update, and have been manually downloading/installing the latest drivers because these auto-update functions have lost my trust.
Good point!
DDU Gives you the option to Disable automatic driver installs so disconnecting your internet is not required.
You can also disable windows update grabbing drivers under settings (somewhere...)
@@2435Bits True. but if you're using DDU you may as well do it there. For the record though, the first time you run DDU it asks you if you want to disable automatic driver installs, otherwise its in the settings.
It’s actually really interesting seeing you test old hardware like this!
Great stuff. Troubleshooting and beyond repair are always interesting. Sometimes you just can't repair it (at least for a reasonable cost) and only way forward is replacing. The path to that is worth learning. Thanks!
Hey Jay, the 770 (TI) / 780 (TI) are very likely to have a bad microBGA solder connection from the die to the substrate of the chip (not the substrate to the board).
You can circle the die with hotair at about 250-275°C for about 5 minutes and usually this fixes these cards perfectly. I did this to 2 or 3 of those cards and one was this specific one you have there iirc.
So it's the same old Geforce 8400-8600 series shit all over again with the bump issues. Glad I skipped the 700 series back in the day
@@ArtisChronicles 750ti is the perfect one among the 700 series low power under heat and decent enough to play esport game
@@ArtisChronicles Cool. And that relates to the solder bump problem how? Oh right.. it doesn't. At all. Not to mention the 750 and 750Ti aren't even the same GPU generation as the rest of the higher-end 700 series cards (760/770/780/780Ti are Kepler, 750 and 750Ti are first gen Maxwell, so they're not even comparable)
It's a common issue on older nvidia's.
That card is done for, you can't fix it without a new GPU.
"Baking" it in an oven might temporarily revive it, but the issue is inside the BGA chip, and won't go away.
Basically the connections between the silicon and it's carrier, which actually gets soldered onto the Board, crack due to thermal expansion.
Louis rossman has videos which explains the issue better, and also why it isn't fixable without a new chip.
You're correct. I ran into the same issue with my Zotac 970, and the solution was simply that the GPU chip/die itself needed BGA re-solder or re-balling.
Oven it!!! My 770 windforce did the same thing and I “reflowed” it and still works like a charm…. Unfortunately haven’t been able to update my card now so I’m still stuck with that 😅
Did the same thing with my 1080, although it's still a bit janky so there's probably a solder that need proper fixing
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Yeah for me that method worked for a while.. but i had to do it multiple times. It'd crash after 4 days then i'd reflow it back to life, repeating the cycle until i decided to flash which i did wrong i think and ended up bricking the damn thing. An r9 270x 4gb..
What ever you can fix by cooking it, you can fix better by knowing what you're doing.
@@Dayto_G in your place i dont cook anything in this oven right now.... The solders make toxic fumes with heat. Much solders has Pb (Plumbum)
Pretty relaxing to see you diagnosing the GPU issue. I did recently lose my 760 to a GPU fan controller fault that made my graphics memory overheat and die. I was not as calm as you diagnosing that issue 😅
I have the same issues that is shown in that video with my gtx 760 and i dunno what to do
Love the video, i have always been interested in troubleshoot techniques and its nice to see you doing these videos. Looking forward to seeing more like these
I loved when GPUs looked like this! I really want UV reactive shrouds and fans to make a come back
Imagine, a double 3090 for cooling good luck
MS Windows Update (regular ~ Auto pilot ~ routine) is the main cause
I think you'll have to print your own because I don't think that's ever coming back, it's gone forever just like transparent casings.
This exact Zotac cooler can be put on GTX 9xx cards, probably GTX 10xx and newer too if some small changes are done to the heatsink.. A really good cooler for it's age btw.
@@Kattmat literally the cards I had
I love these troubleshooting videos, it’s fun and interesting watching your process on attempting to solve random computer problems, even if it doesn’t get fixed in the end
Seems like a problem with the connection between the die and the substrate. This can happen, because the die and the substrate are made from different materials so they expand slightly differently under high temperatures and this causes tiny cracks over a long period of time.
Buildzoid made a video about this called "Rambling about chip degradation"
The correct answer is the one of vital vram solder ball just touching the pad not melting when the card is pass in factory oven reflow. When new the pad not accumulate moisture from air. Sometimes baking it will vaporised the moisture from the pad.
Thankyou! I've been trying to fix a similar problem all weekend. Even though you didn't fix it was really cathartic to see the steps and thought processes you worked through.
Now this is content that resonates with me! Even if I don’t have an older card like this. This is the shit I stay subscribed to Jay for. Love it! Can’t wait for the next one.
YT showing off they can even get old cards that we can't get..how nice
This is really interesting, because my partner has a 770 that was in his case and transported basically across the country for a long time with no support, so it literally BENT under it's own weight. It worked for me for a while, then started acting pretty similar to this one, and I'd almost bet it's got something similar going on. I never checked with CPU-Z, but I'm almost tempted to pull it out of mothballs and see next time I have to get into my case.
I had a 770 the driver started to crash the windows desktop on a very frequent basis. I blamed it on corrosion because of humidity, but who knows might have been the same problem as Jay
@ainsley evergarden before you run around looking for cpu-z the utility is gpu-z ☺️
that mean you maybe have some welding point broken, cooking the card sometime work
@@AustinHeard55 To add, if you think gpu-z has been closed, check your running applications. It runs in the background and you can open 100 of them.
Maybe some solder balls on the memory modules shook loose.
These videos trying to diagnose weird shit that's gone wrong with a driver are so fascinating! Thanks for the video!
These types of vids are some of my favourites. So far I'm loving Jaytober!
Man, that Jaytober bump is excellently done. Great sound fidelity on that - great spooky jingle. Actually, shout out to the whole production of this thing. You can tell you guys have been doing it for a long time now. Cheers :)
I always adore seeing videos like this, showing in-depth troubleshooting for components that people often think are broken but in reality, just have a bit of a software hiccup, though unfortunately for this card it's very much damaged. Excellent content as always! I'd certainly love to see more of this type of stuff from you!
Jay, I enjoyed the troubleshooting you performed on this video card - learned a lot today!
Hi Jay, I used to rock two of these zotac 780ti in sli. One day I went to play a game and mine done exactly the same thing. I tested them individually and then pulled the defective one apart and popped it in the oven for a bit. When the time was up I then put some thermal paste on and popped it back in the system and watched it boot up as normal.
I then opened the game I was trying to play and all was well. I done this about 6 years ago now. While watching your video I spoke to my mate who I gave them to when I got an upgrade and he still uses them now and they're still both going strong. I loved these cards back in the day so it was a cool little trip down memory lane. 😎
Jay, I still have that ATI card in a box
I really wanted him to play around with that ATI 5970, brings back some memories.
Omg
I have one that's a few steps down, a 5870, but something happened when sending it to a friend, I need to try it on my new system and see if anything works on it.
@@kevinsteinman8967 As an (unfortunately) life long Nvidia customer, AMD GPU designations are a mystery to me, what is that card equivalent to?
@@voltaicfire1825 probably a GTX 295
I'm always fascinated when techtubers challenge themselves with problems not encountered on the daily and explains why they do the stuff they do. Jay really shows his wisdom in these videos.
old monitors use to show those kind of red lines when ground was missing in their data cable...i repaired so many of them...
Loving the series, think the best and most interesting content comes during it
about the "shortcut" to the path in the command line, you can just write "cmd" in the folder address and get the prompt form where.. no copy+paste :)
But not with admin rights.
@@MarkAntony01 you are right, it doesn't mean that I didn't try.
it turns out that the address bar in explore has more features that connect it to explorer (or now Edge) so I think we really can't..
BUT I'm willing to share another "shortcut" that not all knows - if you are in a folder on cmd prompt (or power shell) and you want to get its folder on windows GUI, you can run the command "start ." (the dot is the folder in this case, you can set any folder that you want) and explore is pop-up in the folder you selected, it's kind of the opposite operation to what he showed.
Or hold shift and right click in the folder and you'll get an additional menu option to open a command prompt at that location.
Really liked the whole video Jay and honestly, would be happy to see more GPU repair stuff, preferrably for NVIDIA (since I use their GPU)
I have a Zotac 1080 that was doing the same thing and I went through all of the same steps that you just did. What I ended up doing to fix it was reflow the BGA. So what that means is the chip is having trouble communicating through the solder joints with certain memory lanes. The easy way to fix it would be put in in a toaster oven to 250C
Props to you Jay for uploading the video even if you didn't succeed! We learnt alot!
I would have looked at the little capacitors on the back and front (near the slot) as sometimes they can get knocked off with carelessness or a tight case. Long shot but it would cause issues you are seeing if the memory/die is getting power just not enough power (I expect wattage to increase if driver initializes).
Yeah I have vmemory and gpu driver boot fails, and when using my cpu onboard graphics it doesn't happen. sux
When the Nvidia driver loads it then becomes possible for Windows to address all the memory, but since the memory is bad it can't display an image.
I love how you talk down the guy who send you the card in the beginning, yet your only approaches on how to fix the card are the most basic i can think of and they don’t even work. gj
People like you and linus tech tips I just never wanna see your channels end
Hey Jay, I think you should try removing the cooler and taking a heat gun to the dye and memory. I've had good luck with that in past years on macbooks, other gpus, and they all work reliablly to this day.
"We'll hang this one on the wall with the others" - Jay's basically saying to all his HW: "Behave or you'll be hung next" 😂
my Biggest gripe even in RAM "Hynix". iI cannot stress enough, a painful memory to deal with. Like Jay said its like negoiating w the devil.
Great technical informational video. Keep this sort of content coming
Like these troubleshooting videos. Keep them coming. I learn something new everytime. 👍
jay you should match the memory types when searching for the bios
samsung, hynx, etc have different bios for the same card (basically memory timings)
Since you showed a way to change the cmd path by opening a folder and copying its path into CMD: a shorter way is holding shift + pressing the right mouse button in that folder and then choosing option to open a cmd window in that location (again, requires holding shift while pressing the right mouse button). Just a handy shortcut, nothing more ;)
Jay I'm glad you did this video. I had a card that was the same thing. Turns out that it was my PSU that caused it.
The card was a Red Dragon Vega 56. Sold it broken with the GPU shortage at MSRP.
Great video and nice job on the diagnosis
Appreciate the uploads Jay!
No useless lighting on the card seems like a good thing to me...
Based
Your vids help me out so much. I'd love to see you tackle a livekernal 141/black screen crash error fixes on GTX 3000 series cards. It's a super wide spread issue that no one really knows what to do with online.
Great vid Jay. I always look forward to your content
Jay, there's a faster way to open command prompt at a folder location. When you said "you can click up here and just be like bup"... just type "cmd" there and hit enter. It will open command prompt at that folder for you.
That's sick! Nice tip.
Went through all of this with an old Asus GTX 670, tried it all, the memory was fired, now its just a pretty ornament :)
i learnet bit more tech today Jayson this video was very interesting to watch thanks for the video😉🙂👍mate
This is helpful for me as I update the BIOS on GPU's sometimes, and even have modified the BIOS on AMD cards a few times
This knowledge is definitely something I'll keep in my troubleshooting toolbox. One thing I would like to know is if there's any benefit to upgrading gpu bioses to newer versions for an already working card.
I was thinking the exact same thing.... Got rx580 that's working but have had quite a few crashes just from normal use - gaming, might try to update the bios on that. Just don't want to brick it because of the prices for the newer stuff..... That's the reason why I'm still with rx580 f scalpers!!!!!!!
@@nicklity so have u tried it ?
1. You really don't need to keep the Shift Key pressed when doing the safe mode thing. Once the "Please Wait" screen shows up, it's done.
2. Windows always reinstalls the GPU drivers when initializing. To stop this, you have to kill the internet connection before booting up.
You can stop this behavior in Windows by clicking Start and typing into the "Find a Setting" search box and type "Device Installation Settings" and then select "NO"
@@whpony96 Windows still tries to enforce display driver install even with this setting off unfortunately
Or you can disable windows from updating the driver in DDU.
@@Mildly_Amused Disabling from DDU still doesn't stop Windows from doing it, belive me, I have it from experience 🤣
@@viduani Something is very wrong then. It works perfectly on all my systems.
Regarding the cmd trick at 11:45 - you can also just select the editor adress bar and enter cmd in the folder that you want cmd to be run in
Jay....for your info, some of these old ATI-cards are specific of which port they boot to screen from. I had an HD7990 which ONLY showed boot image from 1 specific DVI-port on the card, never from the HDMI or Displayports. So that may not be a faulty port, but hardware based. If the display port works when you extend the screen to it then it is OK!
Looks like a 5970 possibly, I had two in Quad Crossfire, it was insane when it worked and a massive pain when it didn’t
im kinda inclined to believe that, it looks right. same shroud, fan, etc
I think you're right here. I remember the older 4870 X2 cards better since I had to revive them almost on the daily at work (RMA cases). A speck of dust between the fins and the card would overheat. A good blow out with a compressor took care of that 95% of the time :D
it is.
Of course it is a 5970, it's obvious by the fact that the DIEs are very near each other, the 6990 had the dies spread out on opposing sites with space in the middle, same with 7990. Aside I owned this card and know how it looks.
Also there's a fucking sticker on the side and easy to check, it simply will say HD 5970 2 GB.
Hey Jay, friends exact same card had these same issues back at the beginning of the year. Went through these same steps based on yours and others videos on these sort of issues. Eventually went with the nuclear option, stripped it down to the board, baked it at 210°C for 8 minutes and it’s been running fine ever since. Used PCB standoffs in the corners to keep the board in free space and the die facing up. Seemed safer than using scrunched up balls of aluminium foil like Linus did.
I had a 780, same thing happened to it so I sold it to a guy for cheap. Then he told me he reflowed the solder on the gpu die and worked perfectly after that.
@@runescapefan0001, cheap is better than just e-waste. I had so many ups and down with it appearing to work but as soon as I installed the drivers it died. Once I checked the mount I figured it was likely a bad solder joint. Screws were not tight at all and some spots off the die looked like they had never seen paste. So it was worth a shot, and as Jay was trying to say, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take 😂.
im thinking of doing this since my GPU presents this exact same problem, whenever i install any kind of driver it just dies, i tried flashing it and all but nothing, any advice?
Thank you for the troubleshooting tips!
Same issue with a GTX780 FTW i still have. Was messing with it when my GTX1080 was giving me issues. Thx for the vid.
"There's no lighting on this card, that's so weird!"
Me with a PNY 1060 that has no lights at all: lmao ye
If it's not memory it could be electromigration. Buildzoid explains it in a very good way. They gifted me a 780ti classified with the same problems, I cooked with the oven method and it's working since lol
I was hoping Jay would do something along those lines and reflow the board then again he might not want to do it himself
MS Windows Update (regular ~ Auto pilot ~ routine) is the main cause
@@DesiredHeadshot He do that and he'll get Louis Rossmann on his ass!
Jokes aside Louis did a video on the in his opinion silly idea of reflowing solder in a oven. It was pretty scathing, though I have heard from several people for whom that worked at least temporarily.
In my opinion it's a why not thing. If the alternative is tossing the card then why not try baking it in the oven? Now I've got a heat gun and some nozzles but that doesn't mean I know what TF to do with them. And it especially doesn't mean I'm going to lift every component, clean the connections and re-flow it. I would probably fuck something like that up something awful.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Yeah its not a fix, but good luck replacing a giant BGA chip without decent equipment (often times buying a replacement chip will cost nearly as much as a working card). Heat gun should only be used when you have a diagnosed bad core tho.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Why that? I don't think anyone who knows anything about soldering believes that you can "reflow" it with baking. That's simple physics, 'cause most alloys melt around 180 - 215 °C. I think the misconception is based on that, that people think if they heat up the oven to 210 °C, they think the solder/the GPU heats up equally. Maybe because they also "think" to smell solder scents when opening the oven, despite being just (another bunch of toxic) fumes.
But: Baking a GPU is causing the PCB to flex and press this way (maybe) broken solder joints back together. That's why you often need multiple "baking" attempts - and why this is usually just a temporary fix, that doesn't replace a real repair. And sometimes, if thinking of some cards, maybe baking GPUs at a high temperature is just burning and blowing away the dirt - what, in my experience, is usually the cause of 90 % of all errors.
I did "repair" so much electronics in all my life, from dishwashers to cars to PCs, by simply cleaning (all) components.😂
i love the way Jay explains stuff.
Thank you for uploading this today, or yesterday rather. i started having this exact issue with my gpu.
For that cmd command you can just type cmd in the path of the file explorer, it will open de command line in that folder.
Ah, was looking for this comment, don't have to write one then \o/
True, you can also SHIFT+Right-click inside the directory and open from there, but in both cases it won't be elevated :(
@@ObscenePizza "you can also SHIFT+Right-click inside the directory and open from there"
Shift+rightclick will not allow you to open the command-prompt but powershell or linuxsub-shell.... windows is just that strange.
I’ve seen crap like this before, bad GPU, bad Memory, Corrupted BIOS is a high likelihood, simple driver compatibility issues rollback to old driver, some other hardware related problem on the board was the problem with my 700 series Titan, a bad capacitor to be specific. Every time it would jump to 3D clocks, it would crash instantly.
Hey Jay.
Just another regarding the cd command.
You could also "drag" folders in to CMD now
>cd [drag folder to cmd" and it will paste the path
I am so happy you did this video. I had the same problem I refreshed the rom and I tried to reload the driver.. and this video just told me that my old Nvidia HTC 770 afterburner is just dead do to memory corruption.. so THANK YOU
Jay said: "So strange no lights on the card." Me: I've only owned one video card with lights.
I have owned zero, what is this "lights" you speak of?
But in all seriousness, I eschew LEDs because it's pointless. Not like I can avoid getting them on some hardware now.
Well if jay is willing to trade stuff for stuff, what will you take for my gtx 970? It has a problem I’ve seen nobody know or see before, it flickers the screen off and in whenever it’s usage is low
I have seen this a few times actually.
Forgive me for suggesting a few things, in case you already tried “everything” but maybe one of these will help:
Power management settings might be too aggressive - check Bios settings and windows to make sure you aren’t running some BS energy star power profile and disable all of the other power saving stuff. You can add them back in one by one to see which one might be the problem, if you care. I had a card that flaked out on lower power profiles AND had a weird case where a desktop had laptop style power management options in windows that it shouldn’t have had.
Try setting even 1% higher voltage in afterburner.
Re-seat your card
Swap monitor and cable to test. I had a DVI cable act like this where the monitor was going to sleep randomly when the computer was not.
Again, I am not suggesting that you didn’t try this stuff but I figured it couldn’t hurt to suggest a few things.
I believe you can prompt the startup mode menu on most motherboards by hard power cycling 3 times in a row. Just let the PC boot, hold the power until it shuts off, and repeat two more times and on the fourth boot it should go to that menu. Maybe only some boards I don’t remember clearly.
tried this on my 780Ti with device manager error code. after baking it twice and already prepared to sell for parts, the bios flash worked!! thanks jay :D
It's easier to get to safemode by going into msconfig, then boot, and then select boot in safemode. Wish the F5 or F8 or whatever it was, was still a thing in Windows 10 myself tho!
It is still a thing if you do the following:
Command prompt (Administartor)
bcdedit /set bootmenupolicy legacy. You get the F8 back this way.
bcdedit /set bootmenupolicy standard. To revert back to the default (original) behavior.
Be mindful of the spaces: one after "bcdedit" , one after "set" and one after "bootmenupolicy".
If your version of windows is upgraded to the next one, say from 20H2 to 21H1, it will revert back to the standard mode. Same thing by doing a repair/re-install.
@@claudest-gelais8456 nice, i will have to try it out!
@@markstephens8632 If it is an Asus motherboard, you may have to use F11 instead of F8, and only after a restart, not from a cold boot, unless Fastboot is disabled in the Bios. I have both an Asus and Gigabyte motherboards. Gigabyte follows the established F8 convention, but not Asus.
@@claudest-gelais8456 Thanks works Great
@@Trevorodunne Glad I could help!!! :-).
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Don't forget the classic LCD Display
This is some S Tier troubleshooting bro. Love it
Great video & ty Jay
Brian: "hey do you have that motherboard I was asking about?"
Jay: "yeah totally... Aren't you missing something? ....What have you got for me?
Brian: "um... I have.. um... 780 ti mildly broken, an old unsupported potentially unfunctioning ATI card... Three used condoms, oh and a stapler!"
Jay: "Sold!"
Lol Jay got scammed
@@DeCo85 I mean, he's getting content out of it which is probably more valuable than that motherboard was.
@@KevinIrish Yes, but it's funnier to think that Jay just got scammed :)
@@DeCo85 i dunno, staplers are pretty handy
Was it the 3 used condoms?
That card was post AMD buyout, AMD bought ATi in iirc 2006, but didn't start putting their name on cards until the HD7000 series I think.
Edit: you can hold shift while right clicking on an empty spot in a folder to get an option to open location in cmd (in older versions of Windows) or powershell (newer versions) as long as you don't need an admin prompt.
It's a 6990 from what I can tell
@@weavercs4014 yeah I figured as much, and I was actually gonna put that then decided not to :D
Edit: I looked it up and it seems it's a HD5970, the HD6990 has the fan central and has more aggressive styling than the one in the video.
@@PaulTheFox1988 oh yeah :D
You can get into safe mode via msconfig as well via the startup tab. Also good to have a current win10 usb drive at the ready because you can boot from that and use it to initiate a safe mode boot.
I believe you can still select safe mode from the msconfig menu before you shut down. You can also set various startup modes there, like with no networking, minimal services etc... even what programs can start with windows.
Love these tech support videos because you're a trustworthy source that goes over so many steps without sounding condescending
The first boot when you see the artifacting, instantly, memory issue
Bad capacitors will do the same thing.
@@garyr7027 it’s funny you mention that, because my 700 series Titan had a bad cap and was doing some weird stuff including artifacting
But it’s usually memory in my experience
@@chincemagnet memory was my first thought, of course a simple GPU memtest could have saved this guy a lot of wasted time.
Also, you can right click in the empty space in the folder while pressing CTRL and it will have an option to open a CMD/Powershell window in that location. That also works.
Knew someone would have beaten me to it 👍
Wish I had seen your earlier video, ended up blowing my 3090 and currenting waiting on EVGA RMA. Thanks for the research and recommendations!
You could try the oven trick. 200C 10mins, fixed many with problem like this.
Tech-Yes City and others says use a heat-gun on the core for 6-8 min. I fixed a card using this method.
@@MatthewKiehl The problem could be the memory solders and pointing heatgun at the gpu core will do absolutely nothing. Oven method is good because it revitalizes the whole board solders.
The oven could do it. Personally I melted a board that way, I've had more luck with a heat gun.
I'm a sucker for troubleshooting / repair videos, looking at you Louis Rossmann
I'd like to see more of this "DEMON CARDS" 😂 Seriously tho. This is the most chill/calm trouble shooting I've seen in a while.
You can also open a command prompt in the directory by Shift-right clicking in the folder and selecting Open prompt here
Thought it was the 3070 noctua for a second
Same
If you hit the windows key and just type "safe mode" you will get a result called "Changed Advanced Startup Options", click that then restart now. Then you don't have to shift-restart.
Yes that's possible but a lot more work for no different result. The annoyance is that you can't really get to safemode easily without first going into Windows, which is a problem if you're not able to get into Windows.
@@kaldo_kaldo Spam F2, F10 or F12. Those are the usual hotkey for launching the bios/boot menu to start safe mode that way. The problem with this method nowadays is some PCs start so fast it's easier to do what i mentioned before if you can login.
@@kaldo_kaldo Also, typing "safe mode" and hitting enter twice is not a lot of work. lol You could do this as soon as it boots within 5 seconds. Then what, just click 2 buttons on reboot then you're in safe mode. Stop acting like it's so difficult.
@@ModernOddity728 You're not wrong, but it IS a lot MORE work than holding shift when you press the restart button you're going to have to press anyway.
@@kaldo_kaldo I'd rather do it my way so i have both hands free to smoke herb. 😂🤷♂️
Always informative, thanks.
trouble shooting videos are by far the ones i find most entertaining. Usually they all start the same way, but usually have very different endings.
Pro tip, you can just type “cmd” in the address bar on explorer, and a cmd will open in that location (although it’s not on admin privileges)
oh... learning something new everyday!
You know, i probably should've read a bit further down the comments before i typed mine...
Nice trick, easier than shift-right click on the folder especially if you get a shortcut to powershell instead of command...
I don't understand why they seem to hate power users who need an elevated cmd
"This is an old ATi graphic card from 2010 prior from AMD buying them"
[Cue facepalm scene]
AMD bought ATi in 2006 but the branding wasn't changed to AMD until 2010
My guy
I had much the same issue with a 3060. Came to much the same conclusion regarding some form of memory failure. The card lasted all of 10 days from the time of first boot.
Had same problem on an iMAC, Placed the card for 6 minutes in the oven at 230Celsius and then let it cool down together with the oven, and it's still running 2 years later.
4:30 When you find and confirm that a video port is corrupt, never trow that issue out the window.
Clean the port and try to make it work, if you can't make it work.
Do a full clean on the whole GPU, you have a ultrasonic cleaner.
Put the GPU in the ultrasonic cleaner for 1 hour, and make sure you see 0 dust or corrosion after.
After that dry the GPU with a blower, and let it dry for 24 hours.
Next day bake the GPU in the oven for 2 sessions of 10 minutes.
Let the GPU fully cool off between the sessions.
Assemble the GPU fully and test the broken port, still not working.
If you have the skills de-solder the broken port.
And try to do the Bios flash again.
Only after that you can call the GPU dead JayzTwoCents.
You gave up fast one this one.
What is this obsession with using the oven? Don't bake your graphics card unless you're clueless and desperate.
@@vespa7961 heating up to around 250°C should melt most available solders, so broken solder points could come back together. Sort of a discount reflow.
@@HappyBeezerStudios 250 is way too high
Do you have the ability to swap memory modules? that way these demonstrations can have a happy ending haha
Memory is soldered onto the board.
@@arnox4554 and? Doesn’t mean it can’t be replaced. Would it be worth it? Probably not on a card this old
@@arnox4554 ya, but I have a heat station and I can remove at will and replace, I was just wondering if he had the required tools is all..don't get me wrong Jay is my fav!
It can be done but I'm not sure Jay has the skills and I don't think he has the equipment
@@ffwast he def has the ability, but it can be tedious as I habe found out repairing a few 1060 and 70s
I think you could have used "-f" to force flash the bios (wich wasn't flasing because of the same version number (I think))
Great video it's a problem with kepler cards i have seen many times