I mentioned this in the Pelagos Part 1 review but not a deciding factor in choosing between the 2 watches.... The lug width! 21 on the P39 and 20 on the BB58! If you love your strap changes this could be important? Thanks for watching all!!!
I think P39 should only be worn on the supplied bracelet and strap, OR, Marine Nationale parachute strap by NDC which comes in 21mm. So problem solved.
They should have included a removal tool for the bracelet, or quick release pins considering that it comes with a rubber strap in the box. That's my biggest criticism.
Madman what a comparison, I find myself further confused 🤔 I love them both ❤️ That lume is a bit decisive I think. Hate that divers extension. What does the wife say??? The Black Bay 58 red pip.. Winner 🏆
Also the pelagos fxd has been being tested by seal team 6 for the last year. They have custom text and strap colors based on squadron (red, blue, silver and gold) that’s why they added the extra seconds dashes on the bezel. Few images were leaked and the swiftly taken down.
I think you’re right, I’d go with the BB58 also because of its retro style and the lovely warm gold lettering on the dial. The Pelagos as wonderful as it is is just too close to a Submariner and at its price point I’d be looking at a Breitling Superocean as well, both of which aren’t like a 58. Great show as always, cheers MWC :-)
Nice comparison. I wish diver extensions were an optional add-on. Many clasps are made worse when a useless extension is awkwardly added to them. Tudor, Sinn, Seiko, etc...
Totally agree. Clasp size is the biggest annoyance to me (small wrist) as you have to play with the number of links on each side to center the clasp on the below side of the wrist. Additionally, as it is big, the centering of the clasp on the wrist overpowers the centering of the watch on the otherside and this can push the case to the side.
Completely agree Rob, and as someone who does a bit of diving and uses a watch as a backup to the D. C., I and just about anyone I've ever dived with tend to swap the bracelet for a rubber strap. Much easier than trying to fiddle around with divers extensions that often fail to fit exactly as needed over the suit anyway. I would always choose no extension. 👍
Awwww, it's so sweet to see how relatively reserved you were even just a year ago. It's great to see the progress to the more 'exuberant' videos as that is where you truly shine!
Love this comparison show MWC! Both are sadly out of my price range but I’d go for the Pelagos 39 if I had the money in my watch piggy bank. Titanium doesn’t do anything for me but I love the monochrome colourway of the Pelagos which is only interrupted by that awesome red line of text and I’ve never really been a fan of the gilt hand and indeces which are a real signature of the Black Bay. Either would make a fantastic addition to any collection though!
Have you thought about the Citizen Challenge diver it's a fifth of the price of the Pelagos 39? I sold my Tudor Black Bay 58 as in my opinion the quality wasn't good enough for the price and the brand is over-rated, as it's usually falsely assumed to be a true manufacturer. The value for me didn't stack up, as I've paid more and got more and paid less and got more. After I shifted the BB58, I bought a couple of Sinns and the Citizen Challenge diver. I don't feel any urge to pursue the Pelagos 39, my Citizen keeps better time than the BB58 did, it's made of titanium and as far as everyone around me is concerned they're both just retro diver's watches.
I’ve had my BB58 for a bit over a year and I am still mesmerized by it. I love everything about it. The accuracy is just phenomenal- I last set it more than two months ago and it is still within 1 second of my iPhone clock.
My Chronomaster cost less ,looks ten times better, Chronomaster dial is something that is head and shoulder above any Tudor and it's to a second for seven straight months.
@@dado380 are talking about the Daytona Zenith?! Why didn’t you get the beautiful El PRIMERO?!?! The bestest Zenith has to offer?!?! Listen it’s all subjective my friend
Fantastic comparison. Both watches look fantastic and it would be tough for me to choose without seeing both in person. I do not own any high end watches at this time but if I did Tudor is on the top of my list. I think my Seiko’s, Citizens, G-shocks, and Hamilton would not get much love if I purchased a Tudor. The black bay 58 blue dial has had my attention for a while. Your video production is top notch. Cheers!
Walked into an AD for my birthday in 2020, walked out with a BB58 and it's still my favorite watch. Only two years in and it's been with me to so many weddings and major events. Classy enough for a suit and just casual enough for a t-shirt and jeans 👍
Really loved the video. I own the BB58 Black and it's one of my favorite watches. I agree with you that the BB58 and Palgos 39 are different enough to own both. I'll have to show this video to my wife to help her understand why I NEED both. Thanks for another great video.
I love both! Tudor make some incredible watches. If I had to choose though, I'd probably go BB58. For me that's the best looking watch on the market and still my grail! 😍
Totally agree! I much prefer the BB58 look. The clasp, the look and weight of steel, the dial and bezel, the lume, etc. Everything I prefer on the 58. The Pelagos is technically a better watch and the price shows that. But I’m design first so it’s the 58 for me. You can find them lightly used for under $3000 now. The Pelagos is hard to find new and over retail used.
The lesson with any new Tudor is wait 2 years and buy new at retail or slightly under, or preowned under retail. I remember when BB58 Blue came out, it was like gold. Now you can walk into pretty much any AD and they have them in stock on the bracelet.
Have always liked the Pelagos. Favorite Tudor! But I’ve just come to the realization that I really don’t care for titanium watches. I’ve owned several and I recently sold the last one of my collection. It’s too light for my liking and it scratches easily Unless it has a scratch resistant coating like this one. Hmmm… So I guess I’ll take the BlackBay 58?! Thanks for the great comparison
I think I would go for a Black Bay 58 in blue over either of these. The Pelagos 39 is a little dry and modern for my tastes (although I love the titanium), and the 58 in the black and gold color way looks a little old fashioned. I suppose my preferences lie somewhere in the middle.
Good to know the BB58 was your winner - I own one of those too! It's certainly a beauty. But the Pelagos is also fine - don't think you can go wrong with either.
I’d say neither. the pelogos 39 left me cold as it’s lost a lot off the charm off the original, it might be better if we get a more tool like look and a date, I think I would always be thinking I should have gone for the original and best version. I fall for the black bay 58 a bit more every time I see it but in 2023 there is no excuse for not having on the fly adjustment and it must be just a matter off time, give it a clasp like the BBpro and it would be superb. For now I feel the BBpro has them both beat but if they put a date on the 58 I may change my mind.
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR I was concerned about that as it is a chunky watch but when wearing on my 7 inch wrist it doesn’t look it. It wears thicker on the hybrid strap but I’ve recently added the bracelet and it’s a not really noticeable anymore. If I had smaller wrists I would rather something else.
You have merged the quantitive specification with a personal perspective! The Pelagos screams I mean business! A very well executed tool watch with all of the categories advantages and limitations. The bb58 is more versatile for an all rounder. Bb58 for me!
I chose the Bb58 and i am every day happy withot. Unbelievable vintage Vibes like i got this from my Grandfather. Very cool and the perfekt size. The gold are awesome. Love it. Greetings from Austria dude. Every show is a great entertainment. Thx
Nice review! I think I would be in agreement with you on this for sure, I have a feeling that the 58 will be your favorite for a very long time, as it should be.
Lucky to have the bigger versions of both of these watches ( I am a big lump so need a 41 or 42mm watch) and they are extremely different watches and wear differently. I think the Pelagos is a more unique watch and style but the BB is so comfortable and easy to wear. Honestly go with whichever one appeals to you as you cannot go wrong with either- both are cracking watches.
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR Thanks Russell, great content from you especially recently, you are knocking it out of the Park at the moment and are making my favourite watch related shows. Keep up the great work.
Another top video Russel. Some of my stubby thoughts (a couple of escaped neurons hit each other and formed a thought). If you have a BB58, keep it, they are brilliant. If you don't have either then whichever one you get you'll be pondering that you got the wrong one and may well consider saving up for the other, although I would not sell one to get the other or you'd be back to the start of the sentence. As you mention both are different enough to live in the same collection, the difficulty here is which one joins the collection first. At risk of my brain collapsing in on itself another thought just registered. It might be worth adding the older bigger Pelagos into the mix. I have the LHD that echoes older times but could that live with a 39 as well? They are quite different in appearance and wear. Less so the RHD.
Does that long slab like clasp stop the watch from rolling around the wrist by any chance? I tried both on. I fell in love with the black bay black. I am quite tall and have a 7.7" wrist. I tried on the Pelagos and my immediate reaction was this would look good with a lab coat, looking at it, is very clinical looking and cold, nothing warm and fuzzy like you say. I love your reviews. You have fun, but It's all about the watch and not egocentric as many reviews/reviewers are. It is about how the watch makes you feel as well as how close to perfection it is with regard to build. Looks and personality :) You are very good at describing both.
One of my favorite thing about the BB58 is the slightly sun faded looking matte dial. I have a sub 41 and gmt master ii and the bb58 just carries so much character and warmth. It is my daily. That being said, I also want the P39 for different reasons. Light weight, great size, can take it mtn biking, swimming, tennis… etc.
what do you think of the fit? I have a sub 41 and finds it wears a tad big not from looks but just from comfort. I find myself lusting after the BB58 and the smaller size and warm gold accents. Do you find it a more comfortable watch?
@@schmoud13 Yeah it’s crazy the BB58 feels so much more refined than the new sub. No doubt the Submariner has a higher finish, better movement and just overall feel of quality but the BB58 just works in so many ways for me. And for some reason just keeps growing on me. My sub is a Bluesy so it definitely has that wow factor but the BB58 feels oddly more elegant and refined. Weird thing is when I first got it I didn’t appreciate it like a I do now. It grows on you. It’s the watch my 5 yr old daughter says is my favorite watch and the watch she says is the one she wants when she’s older.
One of things that spoil the BB58 for me is the protruding crown, it looks like the stem is too long & they had to put a washer behind it. Crown guards win. The non edged hour markers on the Pelagos aren’t as good as the BB’s. Aluminium vs Ceramic insert & one dot of lume on the BB, Pelagos wins. Better clasp size BB, better functioning clasp Pelagos. There’s always something to pick at. Good review!
I like these square markers on the Pelagos, they fit the snowflake hand well and make the watch stand out from the other submariners. But the BB looks more versatile and refined. It's a hard choice, so I... I would get me a 556i instead
I love both and tried the 58 for the same reasons, history, stainless steal, and the black bay’s have a touch more of dress diver in their dna. (More versatile for wearing) but my damn wrist is too big and I went for the regular Black Bay. Great video!
Great, honest appraisal. BB Pro and Pelagos 39 owner here - love them both. Can’t wait to see what they drop at W&W - was told by my AD they’ve ‘listened to customers’ requests’.
I have the Palagos 39mm and it's an awesome watch, but I totally understand the warm fuzzy heritage feel of a BB58. The Pelagos is quite clinical in comparison. When I want a less modern Tudor on my wrist, I get out the BB Bronze as it has a lovely rustic look and feel to it. There's a Tudor for everybody if the budget allows.
Great video. I agree with everything you’ve said here. I own both watches and both are amazing. I feel the P39 is a better every day watch, for casual wear. I always felt the BB58 looked a bit too dressy at times, but I think the BB58 is the more versatile of the two watches. You can wear it casual, but you can also dress it up in a more formal setting. One of the major improvements for me is the T-fit clasp. My P39 fits the wrist so well, and I could never get the BB58 to fit perfectly. The biggest indicator of which watch is right for me is how much wrist time they are getting. At the moment it is all P39. This might be due to the P39 being newer, but I’ve hardly had my BB58 on since buying the P39.
Black Bay M79230B-0008 41mm with the white hand set, and matt blue anodised aluminium Bezel insert. Has all the history you mentioned, and the things you like.... But I Prefer the slightly bigger size, the clean white hand set(and lume) and the matt blue insert for a bit of color. It's on my list.
Great video as ever, sooo entertaining, about two minutes from the end I had decided that if I had a decision to make then I would have both as the BB58 is pure class and the Pelagos is fresh and clinical, you then shot me down in flames when you announced that you would like both of them!! I am very fortunate to currently own the same BB58 as yourself and whilst adding the Pelagos would be nice I’m currently waiting for my AD to stock the new James Bond Omega 60th anniversary which I really want to look at. Keep up the great work and look forward to seeing the next video.
Agree 💯. The bb58 would be the one for me, and it will be hard to not succumb to buying a bb58 this year, but I’m saving for something special, or trying to.
Just wanted to say all your videos are great, love watching and listening to you and your views which are a little bit scary/weird how alike they are to my own!? Literally everything you’re saying is a reiteration of my thoughts on pretty much all watches! Keep um coming.
If anyone wants a feel of an all titanium watch without breaking the bank, some Casio Lineage models can be had for ~ 200 €/$ ; the difference with steel makes a world of difference, truly an eye opener, one way or another whether one likes it or not (I know now I vastly prefer titanium). Also of consideration, more than 95% of the world's entire titanium production happens in Russia, and many industries are now facing sourcing problems. So in all likeliness, titanium might very well be renamed unobtainium real quick (the aviation industry gobbles the stuff like there's no tomorrow, and their pockets are deeper than yours). So if you like titanium, grab some now, prices are going to sky rocket.
Very hard choice. I think your solution is best, get both Ok, ok, I will choose; the Pelagos for me. The look of the titanium, brushed tooly goodness. I would get the blue one thou. Thanks for the content!
Fully agree. These are two quite different watches, serving different corners of the market. I for one like the 58 (which I own) better, precisely because it has a vintage Submariner feel to it. And, not being a diver, I don’t really care about diver’s extension or luminous bezel insert.
Hi Russell. You make some excellent points here. I'm impressed with P39 but there's also something a little cold about it too, clinical even, and I don't feel that about my BB58. Sure there are some advantages in the P39 but none that warrant ditching the BB58 for it for now. Of course i may change my mind when i actually try the P39 on and the AD may wonder why there is a grown man crying in their showroom!!!
I think the square markers on the pelagos look much better with the snowflake hand than circular markers. The 58 has a clash of geometric shapes in my opinion
I also have the bb58 in blue… and I’m hankering for the pelly39 .. and as you say I do think both can fit in my collection especially as my bb58 is blue .. so I’d have a blue and black diver… boom 💥
I have the BB58 gilt and love it. I immediately bought a Vanguard black rubber strap and a NATO strap for it. What I would do next is get a Tudor Ranger as a field watch, put the Ranger bracelet on the BB58 (has the T-fit clasp and no fake rivets) and wear the Ranger on a NATO strap. That fixes everything!
Absolutely love this video, I have a 58 blue and tbh I agree they can both exist in a collection. Would you choose a Rolex Explorer 1 over the pelagos?
Can't argue with any of your points russ, spot on my man !!! Both are two small for me, I've got the 41mm bb . I've got the seiko sla043 , and that's under 40mm , but I wish it was a tad bigger, but I can't bear to sell it , as its a sexy seiko !!!
I don't get it. The 58, the 39 (and the U50) are all slightly smaller versions of another watcher. OK. The difference is 3mm. 3mm is less than 1/8 of an inch. You cannot actually SEE the difference unless you hold them side by side.
Trust me , take a look at my U1/U50 show. There’s a huge difference . The 500m Pelagos is very big , it’s a slab on the wrist. If you don’t notice it in diameter your gonna notice it in height off the wrist TRUST ME
Bought 58 gilt today for $4k after 300 discount. I was about to buy $8k Chanel J12 38mm in black (which is stunningly gorgeous). I am a happily shopped person today.
Yes , the P39 isn't as versatile but probably better for all year wear, except with a suit ( I'm no Bond ) - but for that occasion there's the BB36...but it doesn't have the date (?- I need the date!)... er...
Great review. It's a toughie....i love the full brush on the Pelagos case, but it's too light for my liking. The BB58 of which I have 2, is prettier to look at and would look better fully brushed. Under the covers, it's the same kiddie, so depends if you want refined or tool like. Weighing it up, the BB58 only just tips the scale.
Loved them both! I own a Lorier Neptune and I know it's not nearly as well built as the 58 but I can honestly say that itch has been scratched. My goal is to buy the Pelagos by next year.
Russ your style is brilliant, throughly enjoyable. Turdor genius, makes you want each individual watch. Probably why I’ve ended up with 3 with a 4th on order! It’s an illness Russ! Help me……….
I’m with you Russell: I have the BB58 but want the Pelagos 39. It’s a perfect diver. Titanium bracelets, as I learned from the Titanium Squares are light and really comfortable.
Nice review Russ, any chance you could borrow a Seiko SPB143 from your mate at F&G to do a comparison with the Pelagos 39? Very similar in looks but is the Tudor worth 4 times as much?
Great review! I am actually trying to decide between both of these watches. Think the BB58 has the edge for me with that vintage look and classic character. You mentioned being involved in sports. Are you a tennis instructor? And do you wear your watch when you play? I love tennis but I can’t wear a watch while I’m playing.
Love the video. Am currently on a list for a pelagos 39 rather than the BB58 because I love the resilience of a ceramic bezel. The thing is, you've had your 58 for 3 years, and you describe yourself as clumsy, and there wasn't a mark on the aluminium bezel in this video. BB58 owners, is the aluminium bezel really that robust and scratch resistant?
I would think that the top-hat crystal would generally make contact before the bezel, in this case. I don't own one though, so that's just speculation. Or maybe he's just not as clumsy as he lets on.
Went to look at the 39, as it's my grail watch after the video. Conclusion: no it isn't. It looks dull/ too modern, could be any other diver. Chapter ring looks like a cheap citizen. That bezel action is rubbish, has LOADS of backplay. I tried two of them, one in Goldsmiths and one in the Tudor store. It's not good for a car-priced watch. I tried the Ranger on instead. And I fell in love. It's like an oldschool Rolex but with better sizing, and won't look like a dogs dinner when scratched at work. Russ you're so right, try these big purchases on first. What you think will work may surprise you.
Hahahaha well thank you my friend and well done for trying the watches on ! But it wouldn’t matter if the bezel had fell out in my hand I’d take it over the Ranger hahahahaha only joking my friend! Congrats! I’m on the lookout for a Tudor!!;)
Great stuff solid argument for both. I think the pelican takes it for me. I tried the bigger version on and even though it was to big it still felt awesome!
Great video as always. I'm a big fan. Just a little complain. It's not only you. This goes to a lot of watch reviewers on YT. The word Pelagos is pronounced on the 'e'. It's pE-lagos. Also the 'e' is kinda soft. Trust me, I'm Greek. I also have a non watch related question for you. Tsitsipas or Djokovic?
I want to splurge on a Pelagos but I'm not keen on the stark contrast of the white lume, and the only model with the more subdued cream lume is the left-hand drive! Come on Tudor, you gotta get on that.
Owned my Tudor bbGMT for almost a year now and I wear mines daily. Very comfortable, checks all the boxes and harks back to the era when pan am pilots sport pepsi GMTs. I think it looks better than the flashy Rolex gmt
Very nice pair of watches Russell! I’m in the same boat, as to which one I’d prefer, given the choice. I have tried both on at my AD which didn’t help!😵💫 Still, they’re on my list. As for your “bezel face”… get a room!🤤🤪🤣
I mentioned this in the Pelagos Part 1 review but not a deciding factor in choosing between the 2 watches.... The lug width! 21 on the P39 and 20 on the BB58! If you love your strap changes this could be important? Thanks for watching all!!!
I think P39 should only be worn on the supplied bracelet and strap, OR, Marine Nationale parachute strap by NDC which comes in 21mm. So problem solved.
I would have a hard time not using the 39 Ti bracelet, so it is ok for me.
They should have included a removal tool for the bracelet, or quick release pins considering that it comes with a rubber strap in the box. That's my biggest criticism.
Madman what a comparison, I find myself further confused 🤔 I love them both ❤️ That lume is a bit decisive I think. Hate that divers extension. What does the wife say??? The Black Bay 58 red pip.. Winner 🏆
@@dazzlerjohnwatchman8215 she’s a bb58 winner;)
The Pelagos 39 is the way to go 👍👍👍
Also the pelagos fxd has been being tested by seal team 6 for the last year. They have custom text and strap colors based on squadron (red, blue, silver and gold) that’s why they added the extra seconds dashes on the bezel. Few images were leaked and the swiftly taken down.
I think you’re right, I’d go with the BB58 also because of its retro style and the lovely warm gold lettering on the dial. The Pelagos as wonderful as it is is just too close to a Submariner and at its price point I’d be looking at a Breitling Superocean as well, both of which aren’t like a 58. Great show as always, cheers MWC :-)
Nice comparison. I wish diver extensions were an optional add-on. Many clasps are made worse when a useless extension is awkwardly added to them. Tudor, Sinn, Seiko, etc...
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Pelican !
Totally agree. Clasp size is the biggest annoyance to me (small wrist) as you have to play with the number of links on each side to center the clasp on the below side of the wrist. Additionally, as it is big, the centering of the clasp on the wrist overpowers the centering of the watch on the otherside and this can push the case to the side.
Completely agree Rob, and as someone who does a bit of diving and uses a watch as a backup to the D. C., I and just about anyone I've ever dived with tend to swap the bracelet for a rubber strap. Much easier than trying to fiddle around with divers extensions that often fail to fit exactly as needed over the suit anyway. I would always choose no extension. 👍
Awwww, it's so sweet to see how relatively reserved you were even just a year ago.
It's great to see the progress to the more 'exuberant' videos as that is where you truly shine!
Well, I say "reserved" 😄
Love this comparison show MWC!
Both are sadly out of my price range but I’d go for the Pelagos 39 if I had the money in my watch piggy bank. Titanium doesn’t do anything for me but I love the monochrome colourway of the Pelagos which is only interrupted by that awesome red line of text and I’ve never really been a fan of the gilt hand and indeces which are a real signature of the Black Bay.
Either would make a fantastic addition to any collection though!
Have you thought about the Citizen Challenge diver it's a fifth of the price of the Pelagos 39?
I sold my Tudor Black Bay 58 as in my opinion the quality wasn't good enough for the price and the brand is over-rated, as it's usually falsely assumed to be a true manufacturer. The value for me didn't stack up, as I've paid more and got more and paid less and got more.
After I shifted the BB58, I bought a couple of Sinns and the Citizen Challenge diver. I don't feel any urge to pursue the Pelagos 39, my Citizen keeps better time than the BB58 did, it's made of titanium and as far as everyone around me is concerned they're both just retro diver's watches.
I’ve had my BB58 for a bit over a year and I am still mesmerized by it. I love everything about it. The accuracy is just phenomenal- I last set it more than two months ago and it is still within 1 second of my iPhone clock.
It’s a great machine Dave!
My Chronomaster cost less ,looks ten times better, Chronomaster dial
is something that is head and shoulder above any Tudor and it's to a second for seven straight months.
@@dado380 are talking about the Daytona Zenith?! Why didn’t you get the beautiful El PRIMERO?!?! The bestest Zenith has to offer?!?! Listen it’s all subjective my friend
Fantastic comparison. Both watches look fantastic and it would be tough for me to choose without seeing both in person. I do not own any high end watches at this time but if I did Tudor is on the top of my list. I think my Seiko’s, Citizens, G-shocks, and Hamilton would not get much love if I purchased a Tudor. The black bay 58 blue dial has had my attention for a while. Your video production is top notch. Cheers!
MT! Appreciate that alot! I’m thinking towards the blue to y’know!
Walked into an AD for my birthday in 2020, walked out with a BB58 and it's still my favorite watch. Only two years in and it's been with me to so many weddings and major events. Classy enough for a suit and just casual enough for a t-shirt and jeans 👍
Couldn’t agree more Daniel!
Really loved the video. I own the BB58 Black and it's one of my favorite watches. I agree with you that the BB58 and Palgos 39 are different enough to own both. I'll have to show this video to my wife to help her understand why I NEED both. Thanks for another great video.
Hahahahaha cheers Bill!
I love both! Tudor make some incredible watches. If I had to choose though, I'd probably go BB58. For me that's the best looking watch on the market and still my grail! 😍
Totally agree! I much prefer the BB58 look. The clasp, the look and weight of steel, the dial and bezel, the lume, etc. Everything I prefer on the 58. The Pelagos is technically a better watch and the price shows that. But I’m design first so it’s the 58 for me. You can find them lightly used for under $3000 now. The Pelagos is hard to find new and over retail used.
The lesson with any new Tudor is wait 2 years and buy new at retail or slightly under, or preowned under retail. I remember when BB58 Blue came out, it was like gold. Now you can walk into pretty much any AD and they have them in stock on the bracelet.
Have always liked the Pelagos. Favorite Tudor! But I’ve just come to the realization that I really don’t care for titanium watches. I’ve owned several and I recently sold the last one of my collection. It’s too light for my liking and it scratches easily Unless it has a scratch resistant coating like this one. Hmmm… So I guess I’ll take the BlackBay 58?! Thanks for the great comparison
Grade 5 is what was needed ! Thanks John!
I think I would go for a Black Bay 58 in blue over either of these. The Pelagos 39 is a little dry and modern for my tastes (although I love the titanium), and the 58 in the black and gold color way looks a little old fashioned. I suppose my preferences lie somewhere in the middle.
Fair point my friend!
Good to know the BB58 was your winner - I own one of those too! It's certainly a beauty. But the Pelagos is also fine - don't think you can go wrong with either.
I’d say neither. the pelogos 39 left me cold as it’s lost a lot off the charm off the original, it might be better if we get a more tool like look and a date, I think I would always be thinking I should have gone for the original and best version.
I fall for the black bay 58 a bit more every time I see it but in 2023 there is no excuse for not having on the fly adjustment and it must be just a matter off time, give it a clasp like the BBpro and it would be superb.
For now I feel the BBpro has them both beat but if they put a date on the 58 I may change my mind.
The Pro is a bohemouth on the wrist ! As refined as Tudor are, shouldn’t be making watches that thick anymore! ? Even with 4 complications!!;)
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR I was concerned about that as it is a chunky watch but when wearing on my 7 inch wrist it doesn’t look it. It wears thicker on the hybrid strap but I’ve recently added the bracelet and it’s a not really noticeable anymore. If I had smaller wrists I would rather something else.
You have merged the quantitive specification with a personal perspective!
The Pelagos screams I mean business! A very well executed tool watch with all of the categories advantages and limitations. The bb58 is more versatile for an all rounder. Bb58 for me!
I always enjoy your videos, great information mixed with good humor. Love the bezel face.
Owner of a blue BB58, I jumped on the Pelagos 39 wait list a few months ago. Both have their place in my collection. Looking forward to the AD call.
Best of luck my friend!
I want both. I have the BB58 Blue so the Pelagos is different enough to justify it. Also I love the more modern feel
I hear you definitely!!! Thanks for watching!
Great video as usual. Both lovely watches, but it’s the BB58 for me.
Cheers Gary!
I love my blue BB58, so I’m a little partial! That Pelagos looks like a great watch & I’d consider it if I didn’t already have my Tudor.
I'm not buying either one of these watches, I'm just here for the show. Great as always 😂Cheers MWC
You are my favourite A K!
I chose the Bb58 and i am every day happy withot. Unbelievable vintage Vibes like i got this from my Grandfather. Very cool and the perfekt size. The gold are awesome. Love it. Greetings from Austria dude. Every show is a great entertainment. Thx
Nice review! I think I would be in agreement with you on this for sure, I have a feeling that the 58 will be your favorite for a very long time, as it should be.
Lucky to have the bigger versions of both of these watches ( I am a big lump so need a 41 or 42mm watch) and they are extremely different watches and wear differently. I think the Pelagos is a more unique watch and style but the BB is so comfortable and easy to wear. Honestly go with whichever one appeals to you as you cannot go wrong with either- both are cracking watches.
Well said Gavin!!!!
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR Thanks Russell, great content from you especially recently, you are knocking it out of the Park at the moment and are making my favourite watch related shows. Keep up the great work.
Great comparison check list, I think I'd have to go with the Black Bay as my first choice, but I wouldn't be disappointed with the Pelagos.
Another top video Russel. Some of my stubby thoughts (a couple of escaped neurons hit each other and formed a thought). If you have a BB58, keep it, they are brilliant. If you don't have either then whichever one you get you'll be pondering that you got the wrong one and may well consider saving up for the other, although I would not sell one to get the other or you'd be back to the start of the sentence. As you mention both are different enough to live in the same collection, the difficulty here is which one joins the collection first. At risk of my brain collapsing in on itself another thought just registered. It might be worth adding the older bigger Pelagos into the mix. I have the LHD that echoes older times but could that live with a 39 as well? They are quite different in appearance and wear. Less so the RHD.
Cheers Anthony! I think so! The LHD’s look with the vintage lumed colour evokes the old days more!;)
I got the BB58 from the wife but I'm thinking of adding the Pelagos 39 to the collection as well! Both are just stunning
Does that long slab like clasp stop the watch from rolling around the wrist by any chance? I tried both on. I fell in love with the black bay black. I am quite tall and have a 7.7" wrist. I tried on the Pelagos and my immediate reaction was this would look good with a lab coat, looking at it, is very clinical looking and cold, nothing warm and fuzzy like you say. I love your reviews. You have fun, but It's all about the watch and not egocentric as many reviews/reviewers are. It is about how the watch makes you feel as well as how close to perfection it is with regard to build. Looks and personality :) You are very good at describing both.
I own a 42 mm Pelagos, so I'm biased, but to me it's a no-brainer: Pelagos all day long. Being a big guy, I'm happier with the 42, too.
Allen that is superb!
One of my favorite thing about the BB58 is the slightly sun faded looking matte dial.
I have a sub 41 and gmt master ii and the bb58 just carries so much character and warmth.
It is my daily.
That being said, I also want the P39 for different reasons. Light weight, great size, can take it mtn biking, swimming, tennis… etc.
Oogie! Totally get that my friend!
what do you think of the fit? I have a sub 41 and finds it wears a tad big not from looks but just from comfort. I find myself lusting after the BB58 and the smaller size and warm gold accents. Do you find it a more comfortable watch?
@@schmoud13 Yeah it’s crazy the BB58 feels so much more refined than the new sub. No doubt the Submariner has a higher finish, better movement and just overall feel of quality but the BB58 just works in so many ways for me. And for some reason just keeps growing on me. My sub is a Bluesy so it definitely has that wow factor but the BB58 feels oddly more elegant and refined. Weird thing is when I first got it I didn’t appreciate it like a I do now. It grows on you. It’s the watch my 5 yr old daughter says is my favorite watch and the watch she says is the one she wants when she’s older.
I like the original pelagos dial. Had more depth to it in its design.
One of things that spoil the BB58 for me is the protruding crown, it looks like the stem is too long & they had to put a washer behind it. Crown guards win. The non edged hour markers on the Pelagos aren’t as good as the BB’s. Aluminium vs Ceramic insert & one dot of lume on the BB, Pelagos wins. Better clasp size BB, better functioning clasp Pelagos. There’s always something to pick at. Good review!
There will never be the perfect watch!!!;)
I like these square markers on the Pelagos, they fit the snowflake hand well and make the watch stand out from the other submariners. But the BB looks more versatile and refined. It's a hard choice, so I... I would get me a 556i instead
I'm nearly with you, but I'm not paying that much ( brand new)for a Seliita Sw2000-1 movement. Just like the Oris 65.
I love both and tried the 58 for the same reasons, history, stainless steal, and the black bay’s have a touch more of dress diver in their dna. (More versatile for wearing) but my damn wrist is too big and I went for the regular Black Bay. Great video!
I have a large wrist too and got the black bay black too. It's really nice. Glad I had a big enough wrist to wear one.
Love how the two watches were not only set to the most hieysklh attractive time, but precisely synched. Great attention to detail
I tried Frank!!!
Great, honest appraisal. BB Pro and Pelagos 39 owner here - love them both. Can’t wait to see what they drop at W&W - was told by my AD they’ve ‘listened to customers’ requests’.
I have the Palagos 39mm and it's an awesome watch, but I totally understand the warm fuzzy heritage feel of a BB58. The Pelagos is quite clinical in comparison. When I want a less modern Tudor on my wrist, I get out the BB Bronze as it has a lovely rustic look and feel to it. There's a Tudor for everybody if the budget allows.
Well said Dave!
Great video. I agree with everything you’ve said here. I own both watches and both are amazing. I feel the P39 is a better every day watch, for casual wear. I always felt the BB58 looked a bit too dressy at times, but I think the BB58 is the more versatile of the two watches. You can wear it casual, but you can also dress it up in a more formal setting.
One of the major improvements for me is the T-fit clasp. My P39 fits the wrist so well, and I could never get the BB58 to fit perfectly.
The biggest indicator of which watch is right for me is how much wrist time they are getting. At the moment it is all P39. This might be due to the P39 being newer, but I’ve hardly had my BB58 on since buying the P39.
Black Bay M79230B-0008 41mm with the white hand set, and matt blue anodised aluminium Bezel insert.
Has all the history you mentioned, and the things you like....
But I Prefer the slightly bigger size, the clean white hand set(and lume) and the matt blue insert for a bit of color. It's on my list.
I hear you my friend! Thank you!
Great vid Russ, I’d be a happy camper with either of those beauties 😁👍
Loved the comparison! I think I'd go for the BB58. I like the more vintage feel of that one. Either would be a great watch though.
Cheers Ryan!
Great video as ever, sooo entertaining, about two minutes from the end I had decided that if I had a decision to make then I would have both as the BB58 is pure class and the Pelagos is fresh and clinical, you then shot me down in flames when you announced that you would like both of them!! I am very fortunate to currently own the same BB58 as yourself and whilst adding the Pelagos would be nice I’m currently waiting for my AD to stock the new James Bond Omega 60th anniversary which I really want to look at. Keep up the great work and look forward to seeing the next video.
Andrew!!!! Superb! I haven’t seen the new bond SM’s yet but as long as they don’t have 007 on the dial, I’m there to!
Agree 💯. The bb58 would be the one for me, and it will be hard to not succumb to buying a bb58 this year, but I’m saving for something special, or trying to.
Just wanted to say all your videos are great, love watching and listening to you and your views which are a little bit scary/weird how alike they are to my own!? Literally everything you’re saying is a reiteration of my thoughts on pretty much all watches!
Keep um coming.
James I appreciate this so much! Thank you for your support!
Great review Russell[ the differences you point out leave me wanting the Pelagos even more! 😃
No bad thing my friend!!
If anyone wants a feel of an all titanium watch without breaking the bank, some Casio Lineage models can be had for ~ 200 €/$ ; the difference with steel makes a world of difference, truly an eye opener, one way or another whether one likes it or not (I know now I vastly prefer titanium). Also of consideration, more than 95% of the world's entire titanium production happens in Russia, and many industries are now facing sourcing problems. So in all likeliness, titanium might very well be renamed unobtainium real quick (the aviation industry gobbles the stuff like there's no tomorrow, and their pockets are deeper than yours). So if you like titanium, grab some now, prices are going to sky rocket.
Very hard choice. I think your solution is best, get both
Ok, ok, I will choose; the Pelagos for me. The look of the titanium, brushed tooly goodness. I would get the blue one thou.
Thanks for the content!
Fully agree. These are two quite different watches, serving different corners of the market.
I for one like the 58 (which I own) better, precisely because it has a vintage Submariner feel to it. And, not being a diver, I don’t really care about diver’s extension or luminous bezel insert.
Thank you Jean!
nice vid.
i agree that that pelagos is closer in style to the Sinn.
I hope they make the pelagos in steel at some point.
It’s only a matter of time;)
Hi Russell. You make some excellent points here. I'm impressed with P39 but there's also something a little cold about it too, clinical even, and I don't feel that about my BB58. Sure there are some advantages in the P39 but none that warrant ditching the BB58 for it for now. Of course i may change my mind when i actually try the P39 on and the AD may wonder why there is a grown man crying in their showroom!!!
Hahahahaha cheers Nick!!
I think the square markers on the pelagos look much better with the snowflake hand than circular markers. The 58 has a clash of geometric shapes in my opinion
You definitely have a point there Martin!
Great review, and as usual very entertaining! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
I also have the bb58 in blue… and I’m hankering for the pelly39 .. and as you say I do think both can fit in my collection especially as my bb58 is blue .. so I’d have a blue and black diver… boom 💥
If I had to choose between the two it would be the BB 58....but the new bits on the P 39 are nice 👍
Nice Timothy!
I have the BB58 gilt and love it. I immediately bought a Vanguard black rubber strap and a NATO strap for it. What I would do next is get a Tudor Ranger as a field watch, put the Ranger bracelet on the BB58 (has the T-fit clasp and no fake rivets) and wear the Ranger on a NATO strap. That fixes everything!
Sounds like you’ve got a great plan David!!!
Great Review! I have both in my Collection. You’re right they are completely different. Pelagos is for me the better All-Day Watch.
Thanks Julian!
I bought my Pelagos 39 about 3 Months ago. I’ll never give her back or away. One f the best watches I ever had. Even better than the Rolex submariner.
That’s a great debate!!!!!
Great review. BB58 wins for me if I had to chose from the two 👍🏻
Absolutely love this video, I have a 58 blue and tbh I agree they can both exist in a collection. Would you choose a Rolex Explorer 1 over the pelagos?
Thank you my friend!!!
Can't argue with any of your points russ, spot on my man !!! Both are two small for me, I've got the 41mm bb . I've got the seiko sla043 , and that's under 40mm , but I wish it was a tad bigger, but I can't bear to sell it , as its a sexy seiko !!!
I don't get it. The 58, the 39 (and the U50) are all slightly smaller versions of another watcher. OK. The difference is 3mm. 3mm is less than 1/8 of an inch. You cannot actually SEE the difference unless you hold them side by side.
Trust me , take a look at my U1/U50 show. There’s a huge difference . The 500m Pelagos is very big , it’s a slab on the wrist. If you don’t notice it in diameter your gonna notice it in height off the wrist TRUST ME
I wear Tunas. I LIKE a tall watch.
Both are a good strategy :) The 58 has a dressy Diver, and the Pelagos has a kick-ass "get out of my way" kind of watch
Definitely Eric!!
Bought 58 gilt today for $4k after 300 discount. I was about to buy $8k Chanel J12 38mm in black (which is stunningly gorgeous). I am a happily shopped person today.
Yes , the P39 isn't as versatile but probably better for all year wear, except with a suit ( I'm no Bond ) - but for that occasion there's the BB36...but it doesn't have the date (?- I need the date!)... er...
I have exactly the same dilemma. BB is warm and classic but the P is hard and cold
Great review. It's a toughie....i love the full brush on the Pelagos case, but it's too light for my liking.
The BB58 of which I have 2, is prettier to look at and would look better fully brushed.
Under the covers, it's the same kiddie, so depends if you want refined or tool like.
Weighing it up, the BB58 only just tips the scale.
Loved them both! I own a Lorier Neptune and I know it's not nearly as well built as the 58 but I can honestly say that itch has been scratched. My goal is to buy the Pelagos by next year.
I bought the Neptune 4. Bit disappointed in the bracelet as it catches my wrist hairs alot. Yours?
Russ your style is brilliant, throughly enjoyable. Turdor genius, makes you want each individual watch. Probably why I’ve ended up with 3 with a 4th on order! It’s an illness Russ! Help me……….
Cheers Crossey Boy!!! Absolute genius!!!
I’m with you Russell: I have the BB58 but want the Pelagos 39. It’s a perfect diver. Titanium bracelets, as I learned from the Titanium Squares are light and really comfortable.
Great show, Russ. Now I know where to drop some coin once the Lotto comes through tonight! (58!)
Hahahahaha cheers Joe!
Pelagos for me.
Nice review Russ, any chance you could borrow a Seiko SPB143 from your mate at F&G to do a comparison with the Pelagos 39? Very similar in looks but is the Tudor worth 4 times as much?
It’ll happen my friend!
I own the BB58 Blue and P39…. The perfect pair? Personally, I prefer the lightness and T-fit clasp on the P39.
Great review! I am actually trying to decide between both of these watches. Think the BB58 has the edge for me with that vintage look and classic character.
You mentioned being involved in sports. Are you a tennis instructor? And do you wear your watch when you play? I love tennis but I can’t wear a watch while I’m playing.
You always know what the people want. This was another great review and I concur with your views between these two beauties.
Can you tell YT that my friend! This show is getting no views!;)
Great video Russ, good comparison. P39 probs (just) the winner for me.
Really enjoyed the Bezel Face !
Cheers Dan!
A necessary analysis… for watch science! Great stuff Russel!
Cheers Anthony!
Love both, owned a 58 , to me the and way I look at it there’s space for both. Distinct character to each. However I’ll stick with my old 791090.
Nice Jeremy!
Nice comparison!
The pelagos wins IMO
Love the video. Am currently on a list for a pelagos 39 rather than the BB58 because I love the resilience of a ceramic bezel.
The thing is, you've had your 58 for 3 years, and you describe yourself as clumsy, and there wasn't a mark on the aluminium bezel in this video.
BB58 owners, is the aluminium bezel really that robust and scratch resistant?
I would think that the top-hat crystal would generally make contact before the bezel, in this case. I don't own one though, so that's just speculation. Or maybe he's just not as clumsy as he lets on.
I know!!!!! You are right my friend! Obviously the domed crystal may help that to?
58 for sure
Went to look at the 39, as it's my grail watch after the video.
Conclusion: no it isn't. It looks dull/ too modern, could be any other diver. Chapter ring looks like a cheap citizen. That bezel action is rubbish, has LOADS of backplay. I tried two of them, one in Goldsmiths and one in the Tudor store. It's not good for a car-priced watch.
I tried the Ranger on instead. And I fell in love. It's like an oldschool Rolex but with better sizing, and won't look like a dogs dinner when scratched at work.
Russ you're so right, try these big purchases on first. What you think will work may surprise you.
Hahahaha well thank you my friend and well done for trying the watches on ! But it wouldn’t matter if the bezel had fell out in my hand I’d take it over the Ranger hahahahaha only joking my friend! Congrats! I’m on the lookout for a Tudor!!;)
Great stuff solid argument for both. I think the pelican takes it for me. I tried the bigger version on and even though it was to big it still felt awesome!
Cheers Phil!!!
I'm in total agreement, 58 is my favourite in my collection. However if Tudor release the pelagos 39 in blue I might be tempted to grab one 🤔
Same!!;)
Great comparison, I have 4 Tudors now. I would have got the Pelagas but too similar to my Sea Dweller
Sounds like you have a great collection Tim!!!
I agree with all of your comments - which is why I own a Pelagos 39 and a BB 925 :).
Great video as always. I'm a big fan. Just a little complain. It's not only you. This goes to a lot of watch reviewers on YT. The word Pelagos is pronounced on the 'e'. It's pE-lagos. Also the 'e' is kinda soft. Trust me, I'm Greek. I also have a non watch related question for you. Tsitsipas or Djokovic?
Nick! Please watch the first 2 minutes of my Pelagos 39 review. Then you’ll understand my reply when I say….. PELICAN
How is the bezel on the BB58 holding up after all these years? Any scratches or discoloration?
No scratches, it’s phenomenal, go check out my SOTC show I did at the start of the year.
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR thanks so much, that bezel material was the only thing putting me off such a beautiful watch
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR binge watching your content now
@@megaman2016 thank you very much my friend and welcome aboard!!
I want to splurge on a Pelagos but I'm not keen on the stark contrast of the white lume, and the only model with the more subdued cream lume is the left-hand drive! Come on Tudor, you gotta get on that.
It’ll happen! Maybe in the next couple of weeks?;)
Owned my Tudor bbGMT for almost a year now and I wear mines daily. Very comfortable, checks all the boxes and harks back to the era when pan am pilots sport pepsi GMTs. I think it looks better than the flashy Rolex gmt
Looking forward to this one 👏👍
Very nice pair of watches Russell! I’m in the same boat, as to which one I’d prefer, given the choice. I have tried both on at my AD which didn’t help!😵💫 Still, they’re on my list. As for your “bezel face”… get a room!🤤🤪🤣
Hahahahaha will do!
Both watches are beautiful Russ, great job!!!
Cheers Ted!
Pelagos 39.....the perfect looking watch, I want one!
It really is until you feel how light it is and I couldn’t handle it;)
Fantastic review as normal but you never mentioned the free rubber strap you get on the palargos which I think looks great.
No I didn’t Simon thanks.
Good shout. Love my Pelagos but think the 58 is a stunna. 👍😁
Cheers Jim!
I do like the pelago but if I was spending round this amount I would go for the black bay heritage bronze
What we all really need is the Pelagos 39, in stainless steel, with a domed hesalite crystal. No dive extension, smaller clasp.
That’s the dream!!! Think we are only gonna get that with the likes of Lorier !;)
Steinhart, through Gnomon, might fill a need.
Yesterday i finally tried the bb58 en pelagos 39, amazing watches en great bezel action.