Define elitist. Nobody ever does. They just throw around words they don't understand and in this case, could be applied to the very people who they favor.
Not an expert here, but it seems to me it would be really nice if the Democratic Party would stop anointing "electable" candidates and instead - oh I don't know - maybe let Democratic Party members choose a candidate in a competitive primary? You would think that winning a competitive primary would say something about "electibility", but what do I know....
Given when President Biden "step aside", there was BARELY enough time for a PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN! WHEN would there have been this Primary you speak of???
@@LisaFenton-h7f It's really only in the US that four months doesn't seem like enough time to hold a primary, but the rest of the world disagrees. And I was referring to the last three elections (Clinton, who lost, and Biden, who barely won), not merely this one.
“Xenophobic nationalism” 🤣 at least 12M people have illegal crossed the border in the last 3 years! It’s completely reasonable for people in this country to say that is too much, yet Michelle needs to label their desire to limit illegal migration as being driven by hate and anger. It’s a terrible take. Why don’t we let 100M migrants in next year Michelle? Or would that be too many?
Michelle is coping hard! Lady, you live in a bubble. Apparently you spoke with voters in red states and your family - but you don’t get it!!! You are what we voted against. Smug, angry, white liberalism
Nostalgia for the pre-pandemic economy was always Trump's advantage and Harris's disadvantage. Nothing looks better than "the good old days" when what you are selling is something "not quite as good as the good old days." That is what the Harris campaign offered. It was a realistic and honest offer, but it was not as good as what the other guy was selling. Saying "inflation is going down" is not the same as saying, "Prices will go down." Trump did not even have to sell people on that promise (which is entirely unrealistic); he just had to ask people to "remember your grocery bill when I was president!" The voters took themselves exactly where the Trump campaign wanted them to go. That's how we got where we are today.
That is really well put. Inflation after the pandemic would have been as bad or worse under Trump but he was lucky in a way to get out of office before it happened, as he is lucky in so many things. His mishandling of Covid and of distribution of vaccines in fact made things worse and his halving of legal immigration led to worker shortages which in turn helped push up prices.
Trump unintentionally carried out the 2013 RNC autopsy. Working-class (Vance), women (Tulsi), and nonwhites (Vivek and several NFL players and rappers). Blaire White, Caitlyn Jenner, Dave Rubin, Guy Benson, Lady MAGA, and dancing to YMCA at every rally (LGBT). There also exists a very real Bernie-to-Trump pipeline (Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Ana Kasparian, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Red Scare, and Glenn Greenwald). Unfortunately with Trump pushing out the Never Trumpers from his party, the Democrats will become more centrist and establishmentarian.
@@marshallscot"cope". Are you 12 years old? 😂 You Trump followers are losers. Funny thing is, Trump's policies will negatively impact you the most, haha.
Good grief the NYT response to the election has been awful. Lots of hot air with incredibly winding and unecessary pseudo intellectualiam. A lot of people who voted for Trump were regular people who due to inflation felt poorer than they were four years ago. Whether this is right or wrong is a debate but as usual NYT needs to go into the abyss of "are we entering an era of post-#### politics".
Ross has great points here. The cause of Trump can't be understood if you ignore the issues that concern people, and glaze over them with superficial (even if sometimes factual) accusations. The surface looks rough, but if we want to address the roots, we have to dig deeper. There are real problems, and we can't sum them up with bland accusations.
Agree- the democrats consistently oversimplify how people think-- putting them into boxes...or they consistently get wrong what people really care about...
The roots are complicated, boring, and cannot be summed up in a tweet. America's circling the drain. Glad to live in Massachusetts today, but how much longer can we hold on, even here, if we're all still obsessed with soundbites?
They can’t get it. They think the heavy equipment shop full of mechanics and support staff that I work at are all racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. Which is funny because we are men, women, straight, gay, young, old, single, married, black, white, American, Guatemalan, Mexican and Estonian. Most of us voted for President Obama. Some of us even voted for Hillary. We all went for Trump 47 because he is the medicine this country needs right now.
I don't understand people who say "we deserve what we get" as if we are one person. Women don't deserve to die of treatable causes. Immigrants who have lived in the US for more of their lives than they have in another country do not deserve to be deported. Reporters, journalists and judges with any integrity will not deserve to be harassed. If some dude who voted for trump starts complaining about the cost of his coffee? Sure, he deserved that. But that doesn't mean shit. The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least.
At some point there's enough kids in the classroom acting up that the teacher punishes the whole class because it's not worth singling out any one kid. Make more sense?
Yes and American citizens don’t deserve to have much higher cost of living and not be able to afford food. Get your priorities straight, it’s why you lost
The ppl that will suffer the hardest are the ppl who are already suffering from all the stuff that you just described. None of this is new.....yesterday is probably the most honest this country has been in a long time. Decades of picking the lesser of two evils ultimately is still decades of picking evil.
@@mikesocarras8827 maybe the dems will start having real primaries. Tricky to campaign against democracy when your candidate is picked in back rooms by donors…
Ignorance has been bliss. Now, it's time to reap what has been a long time being sown. I live in Oklahoma, so, I've long since gotten used to the reality that my fellow American is a drug-fueled ignorant racist. Unfortunately, now the better places in the world will be forced to live the Old South reality.
@mikesocarras8827 Yes, but does the world? Mass deportations, universal and reciprocal tariffs, a Russia-friendly settlement in Ukraine, an Israel friendly "resolution" in postwar Palestine, holding European allies over a barrel, knock on effects in worldwide elections...it's pretty short sighted to think that this only affects Americans. I say this as an American who's lived abroad for 16 years.
Trump is a 90s-era democrat (and he was literally registered as such for years, only switched for elect-ability) so this gaslighting feels especially odd. Not sure we'll ever see an actual conservative again
The political left - virtually everywhere - needs to learn from this. Socialism isn't what modern voters want and no amount of shrieking about how unfair that is will make the political left more electable.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 The political left didn't run. The political left is Bernie Sanders and AOC. While Harris is more liberal than Biden and Obama, she's not the political left.
Oh.. this is terrible, how could this even happen. Harris loses the electoral collage, the popular vote, the senate, the house and DT get to pick judges for another 4 years. How could this happen
That's it. Groceries and gas prices (due to covid and Russian invasion of Ukraine) frightened many people into thinking it was Biden's fault. Short-sighted, but that is it. And when we go into a real recession in a year or two people will know what's up for real..
The guys on this podcast are getting it. Not 100%, but are getting there. This woman is clueless, and her reasoning is exactly why the Democratic Party lost.
Being German I always had the greatest love for the USA and thought that Magas in 2016 would be a sad exception. Now I know that this is the constant dark side of America and distance myself a bit more from the US.
I don't blame you. My countrymen have just positively voted to have an authoritarian regime. Unreasonable men have triumphed and showed us how popular unreason now is in the US. This regime will no longer be a reliable friend of democratic states throughout the world.
Being Brazilian, I kinda feel the same. The US was never the shining city on a hill that it thought itself to be, but now I feel that that ideal is farther from reality than it was a couple decades ago.
I've never been to the US yet, but I'm not going anytime soon either. I prefer to visit functioning democracies. I hope the US are among them anytime soon again
I am Ivy League educated, but I'm far from rich, and I think some of the commentators in this podcast are not willing to hear a certain band of answers about why this happened that are right beyond their periphery. I am Liberal, but I listen to the right and the left, and I think those two extremes have more in common, and in agreement about what it wrong, than most liberals think, and it seems to be primarily rooted in economic disparity. Liberals and the middle class may need to take a hit for the team for a period so everyone in outer darkness can calm down enough to tolerate trans kids and diverse superstitions....
Reading Harper's Index for November, I was lead to believe that the DNC was fundamentally myopic when it comes to running a candidate. Joe Biden could not have performed any worse in any Machiavellian electorial system. The DNC ran a candidate that personified all the dismissive elements of our failing culture. IQ selection has completely disenfranchized 15% of the American demographic. They will vote against this every time.
i'm a lil Ivy league educated person tho i dn't think of it as little, bcuz G.U. Walsh S.F.S. I agree to some extent, but i'm not quite clear on what u mean overall and would love some expansion
@ I think the far left and the far right largely both consist of people who are poor and desperate and do not have much hope or faith in our government and economic systems to make things better. Many of the same people who ended up voting Trump, like Joe Rogan, said they really loved Bernie Sanders when he was running. What the two have in common are populist appeals and somewhat radical economic messaging. When you feel like you’re falling into a hole and stagnating economically and politically, and normal politics and economics seem to be to blame, the mere promise of radical change of any sort seems promising, like pulling the lever on the slot machine, versus hoping that what seems to be “more of the same” will provide a new outcome. In reality, I don’t think Kamala would have been more of the same, either, but she had to brand herself in those terms. And I think Trump will in fact turn out to be more of the same, despite branding himself otherwise.
My gosh. Her edited 60 minutes interview is nearly all you need to know. This is a person running for the highest post in the land and 60 minutes couldn’t let her speak freely - they (or the campaign…and that’s worse) just couldn’t help misinforming the public. Just a disaster. How many “producers” and “handlers” and “directors” etc were involved 100x over in the past trying to mold her into someone she wasn’t? She should have insisted on autonomy. All the cooks spoiled the broth. It aint rocket science. Imagine all the “experts” in the background with their fingers in the mix, knowing what’s best, not just for the Dem Party and Biden and Kamala and 60 Minutes and CBS and all the advertisers. Just gross.
Man, Michelle's absolute insistence on not wanting to understand the 71 million Americans who voted for Trump is so hard to listen to. It's far easier to call her political opponents hateful racists and bigots, than to actually listen to them. Ross simply encouraged the others to listen to the Theo Von and Joe Rogan interviews, and a level of audible anger rose up in Michelle. Trump voters are not the monsters that so many like Michelle make them out to be. There is great opportunity in this next season if the political left with simply acknowledge this.
Voting for a felon who tried to overturn a fair election result is morally questionable at minimum. Funny how even Mike Pence refused to endorse Trump because of that.
I naively thought that the fact that he's a Yankee and not a born-again Christian would turn off Americans in 'Middle America' but in hindsight, in his core, he's the most 'American' person I can think of.
“Born-again Christian” is exactly what he is. That label tends to fall extremely often on people who don’t seem to pay much attention to the red letters…
@@Justanotherconsumer Trump claimed to be a Christian just to garner the substantial evangelical vote. When asked about whether he prefers the OT or NT, he simply said 'both' and when asked about his favorite verse(s) he refused to engage. Hmm, not much insight there!
@ArmHope That seems a little reductionist. I don't think anyone is disputing that the Democratic party failed in many ways. But, they definitely did not exist in a vacuum, get credit for what they were able to do, or create all the factors that brought them down.
@@bobbyc1120 you have the same logic of the democratic party, while they refused to have a primary a year ago because they are smarter than the electorate. You are the patronizing authoritarian who refused a primary.
David Plouffe is a moron. He miscalculated on Israel trade and the border and shat on the entire working class to chase a few ghosts of nikki haley voters
"Donald Trump was a threat to democracy" opened up the natural question of "Why didn't Joe Biden arrest him on day one?" Article 1 Section 9 Clause 2 of the US Constitution...
Bingo. Our institutions utterly failed all of us. The Senate should have convicted Trump for Jan. 6th, and when that failed, the Justice Department should have had Trump in the dock within a year. The mountains of slam-dunk evidence against him for Jan. 6th and attempted vote tampering in Georgia should have been before a jury even before the 2022 midterms, and certainly within a month after.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Plus, they have no sense of humor...I mean come on...after everything the press has done for the past 10 years, the reporters as a shield joke was actually pretty funny. They seem to think he's serious. So sad. Low energy.
the conversation between the dude making a point that Trump's main driver of support is not a anger channel like that woman said, and her reaction proved that progressive media see everything with a filter.
Yet your comment calling Kamala Harris mentally ill is completely normal and above board. So much for 78 being too old for a president. Hate and cruelty won out, and y'all are gonna pay for it with tariffs, leading to higher prices, and higher taxes. Trump promised the rich a tax cut, he's not going to provide relief for anyone but himself. Watch. We've been there already.
What's great is they will be around forever. in forty years when people want to hear how unhinged the liberals we had to put up with were this decade, they can just listen to ten minutes of this, and they'll get it.
Rural communities and states with strict abortion bans with doctor punishment will feel the effects of abortion when there are no OBGYN in their state. People were holding out hope for change, I think this election will cause doctors to leave faster.
@@wesleybaker9724 Time will tell. I see my other comment was reported. Cancel culture 🤷♀️ It is a FACT that doctors are leaving abortion restricted states and that fewer doctors are specializing in OBGYN, and that medical residencies in abortion restricted states are unable to receive all instruction on women’s reproductive care.
I voted for Harris and proudly so. However, immigration and driven the country to the right. We must slow down the flow of immigrants. We don’t have the resources. Too much too fast.
Incorrect. Immigrants provide billions in tax revenue. Deporting them and many others will COST even MORE, and that workforce and revenue will not be replaced... Or is that why minors are being allowed to work?
Are you aware that immigrants applying for asylum aren't allowed to work for the first six months they're in this country? That's six months of taking care of their needs, when they could be paying rent, buying groceries and paying taxes.
The nation's voice that was thought to be captured before the election was of those who had a voice. Post the election, the voice that came through was those who didn't have a voice or weren't asked/considered. The damning moment for me was the those voices of the undecided that said they can't afford to live and that their American Dream no longer exists. When that voice was left unanswered directly by the Democratic Party then the election was lost. Never underestimate the actions of a desperate person... there's a nation of desperate people who don't care where it comes from, they want change and to try something new as what there is now isn't working for them.
And yet it would seem that Trump made significant gains across a diverse group of voters. I’m very interested to learn more in the coming weeks as all of the data comes in.
I don't hear anyone talking about tribalism in the fact that politics is life and death. I don't hear anyone talking about the fact that supporters of fascism are not making their own decisions and cannot think for themselves
Boy, Michelle is angry! I mean she would make a great TV show, I guess but she was my least favorite part of this podcast. Ross trying to make sense of this dismal loss in a way that doesn’t tap into denial is commendable
So many people were ignored. Let’s not pretend otherwise. Fear wasn’t enough to get them to vote, but it really did a number on those that embraced it all.
The liberals on this are just emotional and angry and it’s unprofessional and unbecoming. The woman in particular is pretty hysterical. Ross makes important points but the screeching at him is grating.
16:16 I didn't want to think we were angry and nasty, but I can't deny it anymore. All I hear now is empty idealism in thinking people are not animals at heart.
By OTHER, you mean the Trans activists that were invading women's bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports? Or the gender identity politics that invaded public school libraries and indoctrinating 5 year olds? Or the 10M+ illegal immigration wave of 90% fraudulent asylum claims which enabled the invasion of over 400,000 career criminals some of which whom have taken over apartment complexes in Colorado and Texas even to this day? Or migrants lowering the wages for working class Americans and driving up housing prices by subsidizing them with taxpayer money? (hint: see recent revised jobs report) Only crazy progressive lunatics agree with these policies and the administration fully embraced these issues. Even liberals who fully accepted the trans movement couldn't get behind them discussing sex without their consent to 5 year olds and their daughters getting beaten by biological men demolishing them in sports due to their natural advantage. The working class jobs absolutely being eliminated by paying "asylum seekers" soul crushing wages while they also receive welfare. In every non-skilled labor jobs from factories to hotel house keeping to cleaning to food delivery to Uber, asylum seekers took jobs from Americans while they benefited from our tax dollars. My tax for NGOs. My tax for foreigners. My tax for foreign wars. My tax for rising housing prices. And you think it was Trump who ran on hating OTHERS that resonated with voters? Harris lost because her administration betrayed its own citizens. Voters are furious and wanted the guy who prioritized its own citizens.
Calling it Trumpism proves you still don't get it. My Voting Record is Obama x2, Bernie, Trump x3. You keep trying to make it about Trump and his personality when it's not about him. It's entirely about the economy and foreign policy. It's center-populism. My '28 vote will go to the whoever is the most anti-war, socially libertarian, but economically nationalist/populist candidate. The last three elections that has been Trump. If there isn't a libertarian populist in '28 then my vote will go to whoever is closest. If that's a left-leaning populist like RFK or a right-leaning populist like Tucker... social issues matter less to me. But if Republicans go back to nominating neocons or think that I'd ever vote for a McCain or Bush they don't understand me either.
I don't think Trumpism is necessarily a negative term. I think it sounds better than MAGA. I think it's just the name that people are using to describe the movement like with Karl Marx and Marxism. It doesn't have a positive or negative connotation, it's just a description.
@@Atomix_117 Seems to me to be a continuation of their incessant claim that his appeal is due to a "cult of personality", one that has nothing to do with policy. But that, as proven this election, is an inversion of the truth. Populist policies have brought in many non-traditional republican voters, including the likes of RFK jr. and others.
@@Atomix_117 "Trumpism" is clearly meant to be derogatory. I think the most accurate terms would be populists, center/center-right populists, America First populists, the America First coalition..., do you think this political philosophy started with Trump? It didn't. Do you think it will just go away when Trump leaves office? It won't. "Trumpism" is a term used intentionally for negative branding.
Im curious if people believe that the next Republican candidate will have Trumps appeal. It seems to me most of his anointed candidates have historically lost. Trumps draw is trump himself. Without him at the helm do they get the same results? Will the anger and hate disappear, no, but will it coalesce like it does with Trump, I have my doubts.
OMG! These people are hilarious! I have heard this dribble, drabble before. Our country is in trouble. I ve been around so long it is sad. Covid-19? Hello? Get a clue. Let us see what happens in two years.School Board meetings are important Brad, get off your highhorse and attend one. 1997 world is not good for women. Brad! stop talkingand actually go out and experience the people outside of your economic world right now
WTH, America is not angry… just look at the gun violence statistics and tell me you are for real! That’s the main reason I try to sidestep US whenever I can in my work travels
Yes, step off the plane and there is a 1 in 4 chance you will be shot. It's a wonder you are still alive if you have been here a few times. I mean, hell, i just heard my neighbor get gunned down outside while i was typing this comment. You might want to look for another job, is it really worth your life?
I didn't vote for Trump and focused heavily on local elections. Emotional outbursts and not taking responsibility ensures further Democrat losses in the future.
@@robert9662 It’s everyone’s victory. And pointing out a funny observation isn’t indicative of how he’s celebrating. It makes me think you’d be a major douchebag if your party won
@@hussainwaseem1542 LOL no. The time for coalition building has passed. Trump did not win by building a coalition. It's time for a real, radical message that sounds like the truth in a roomful of lies. It's time to stop compromising.
Calling me people angry 7 nasty sure worked for CULT LEADER Donald Trump, didn't it? Trump & his supporters are allowed to SAY ANYTHING--no matter who racist/sexist, ugly., rude, cruel...but, the opponents of Trump aren't even supposed to make OBVIOUS observations
What you have here are three relatively well-off people who are probably going to be widening their readership criticizing a man who is not hard to find fault with --to put it mildly. None of them appears to question the political duopoly that this country appears to be stuck with. None of them appears to imagine a time when the U.S. might cease to exist. None of them appears to think that human beings (including some who were born and raised in the U.S.) are capable of living outside the control of a nation-state or an empire. So, good luck finding any 'pearls of wisdom' among what they say here...
I see a lot of nastiness - but not total nastiness or only nastiness. The problem is that those who are trying to reach across the divide aren't as polarizing and interesting as those spewing hatred of the "enemy" (our fellow citizens) so our voices are NOT amplified, giving the misimpression that they don't exist. I really don't like the portrayal of Trump's vitriol and nastiness as powerful and masculine. What message are we sending to our youth by rewarding this with power. I understand that people want to divorce his policies from his rhetoric BUT I don't think that is the message that young people are getting. I think they are getting the message that polarization, demonization of those who disagree and calling fellow Americans "the enemy within" are signs of strength and paths to dominance, which is to be preferred over leadership and inclusiveness, which are signs of weakness. The young people who disagree with this are scared of those who agree or SEEM to agree because they don't place any limits on Trump or his supporters' rhetoric. If Trump faced ANY consequences for his rhetoric, he would tone it down (He is very political and not stupid), but he doesn't.
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Man these people live in an elitist bubble.
Yup...they/them have no clue. 🤣😂
Define elitist. Nobody ever does. They just throw around words they don't understand and in this case, could be applied to the very people who they favor.
Hysterical too
Not an expert here, but it seems to me it would be really nice if the Democratic Party would stop anointing "electable" candidates and instead - oh I don't know - maybe let Democratic Party members choose a candidate in a competitive primary? You would think that winning a competitive primary would say something about "electibility", but what do I know....
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Given when President Biden "step aside", there was BARELY enough time for a PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN! WHEN would there have been this Primary you speak of???
@@LisaFenton-h7f there was literally a Democratic primary this year, and the media buried any mention of the candidates running
@@LisaFenton-h7f It's really only in the US that four months doesn't seem like enough time to hold a primary, but the rest of the world disagrees. And I was referring to the last three elections (Clinton, who lost, and Biden, who barely won), not merely this one.
@@LisaFenton-h7fyour assuming Biden wasn't anointed as well lol
That woman is insufferable. Zero interest in the voters. Maybe she could work at the View.
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“Xenophobic nationalism” 🤣 at least 12M people have illegal crossed the border in the last 3 years! It’s completely reasonable for people in this country to say that is too much, yet Michelle needs to label their desire to limit illegal migration as being driven by hate and anger. It’s a terrible take. Why don’t we let 100M migrants in next year Michelle? Or would that be too many?
let them into her backyard!
Typical delusional leftist
Michelle is coping hard! Lady, you live in a bubble. Apparently you spoke with voters in red states and your family - but you don’t get it!!! You are what we voted against. Smug, angry, white liberalism
*analyzes the election*
"Your analysis conflicts with my worldview, so I'mma yell at you"
Seriously, I was like "How about we don't yell at our peers, even if we don't agree with their analysis?" This felt like a violent podcast!
@@ulizez89 She doesn't listen to any of the people she is supposedly talking to.
@@NathanJames-b3i NYT = TDS ?!
“Am I really so out of touch? No, it’s Trump that’s the problem”
it can be BOTH
Nostalgia for the pre-pandemic economy was always Trump's advantage and Harris's disadvantage. Nothing looks better than "the good old days" when what you are selling is something "not quite as good as the good old days." That is what the Harris campaign offered. It was a realistic and honest offer, but it was not as good as what the other guy was selling. Saying "inflation is going down" is not the same as saying, "Prices will go down." Trump did not even have to sell people on that promise (which is entirely unrealistic); he just had to ask people to "remember your grocery bill when I was president!" The voters took themselves exactly where the Trump campaign wanted them to go. That's how we got where we are today.
That is really well put. Inflation after the pandemic would have been as bad or worse under Trump but he was lucky in a way to get out of office before it happened, as he is lucky in so many things. His mishandling of Covid and of distribution of vaccines in fact made things worse and his halving of legal immigration led to worker shortages which in turn helped push up prices.
Cope lmao Harris was simply an awful candidate and voters did not appreciate her being forced onto them.
what’s forced on who? and you’re masochistic
Trump unintentionally carried out the 2013 RNC autopsy. Working-class (Vance), women (Tulsi), and nonwhites (Vivek and several NFL players and rappers). Blaire White, Caitlyn Jenner, Dave Rubin, Guy Benson, Lady MAGA, and dancing to YMCA at every rally (LGBT). There also exists a very real Bernie-to-Trump pipeline (Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Ana Kasparian, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Red Scare, and Glenn Greenwald). Unfortunately with Trump pushing out the Never Trumpers from his party, the Democrats will become more centrist and establishmentarian.
@@marshallscot"cope". Are you 12 years old? 😂 You Trump followers are losers. Funny thing is, Trump's policies will negatively impact you the most, haha.
Good grief the NYT response to the election has been awful. Lots of hot air with incredibly winding and unecessary pseudo intellectualiam. A lot of people who voted for Trump were regular people who due to inflation felt poorer than they were four years ago. Whether this is right or wrong is a debate but as usual NYT needs to go into the abyss of "are we entering an era of post-#### politics".
Ross has great points here. The cause of Trump can't be understood if you ignore the issues that concern people, and glaze over them with superficial (even if sometimes factual) accusations. The surface looks rough, but if we want to address the roots, we have to dig deeper. There are real problems, and we can't sum them up with bland accusations.
Agree 100%. Democrats need to do a deep dive and figure out how Trump was able to out maneuver them with more simplistic and concise messaging.
@@victoriameyers-y1oespecially when the root cause of the economic problems was in 2020 during Trump’s term.
Agree- the democrats consistently oversimplify how people think-- putting them into boxes...or they consistently get wrong what people really care about...
@@Justanotherconsumer lol, no. *late 1990s.
The roots are complicated, boring, and cannot be summed up in a tweet.
America's circling the drain. Glad to live in Massachusetts today, but how much longer can we hold on, even here, if we're all still obsessed with soundbites?
Only NYT can be this tone deaf. Good luck for 4 years.
You still don't get it
They can’t get it. They think the heavy equipment shop full of mechanics and support staff that I work at are all racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. Which is funny because we are men, women, straight, gay, young, old, single, married, black, white, American, Guatemalan, Mexican and Estonian. Most of us voted for President Obama. Some of us even voted for Hillary. We all went for Trump 47 because he is the medicine this country needs right now.
and you do? I'm sure
Disney will struggle as long as they blame the fans.
Quality of commentary at the NYT is pretty low but I'm here for the seething lol
I don't understand people who say "we deserve what we get" as if we are one person. Women don't deserve to die of treatable causes. Immigrants who have lived in the US for more of their lives than they have in another country do not deserve to be deported. Reporters, journalists and judges with any integrity will not deserve to be harassed. If some dude who voted for trump starts complaining about the cost of his coffee? Sure, he deserved that. But that doesn't mean shit. The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least.
At some point there's enough kids in the classroom acting up that the teacher punishes the whole class because it's not worth singling out any one kid.
Make more sense?
@@Shmayes81188 No, what you just said is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Yes and American citizens don’t deserve to have much higher cost of living and not be able to afford food. Get your priorities straight, it’s why you lost
The ppl that will suffer the hardest are the ppl who are already suffering from all the stuff that you just described. None of this is new.....yesterday is probably the most honest this country has been in a long time. Decades of picking the lesser of two evils ultimately is still decades of picking evil.
"The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least." THIS
Is the female reporter supposed to have that tone against her male co-reporters or it just happened by mistake?
The woman especially, but all of you are absolutely delusional. You still understand nothing about why he continues to rise. Nothing.
... Because democracy is a bad system?
@raevenrises7595 well... that's true in general, but that's a separate sup-topic.
American's have confirmed that we are by and large short sited, intellectually uncurious, rude, hateful, and greedy. We deserve what we get.
@@mikesocarras8827 maybe the dems will start having real primaries. Tricky to campaign against democracy when your candidate is picked in back rooms by donors…
Have another swig of that Kool-Aid. Or, consider you are being gaslight by the media.
Ignorance has been bliss. Now, it's time to reap what has been a long time being sown.
I live in Oklahoma, so, I've long since gotten used to the reality that my fellow American is a drug-fueled ignorant racist. Unfortunately, now the better places in the world will be forced to live the Old South reality.
And not educated enough to spell common phrases correctly
@mikesocarras8827 Yes, but does the world? Mass deportations, universal and reciprocal tariffs, a Russia-friendly settlement in Ukraine, an Israel friendly "resolution" in postwar Palestine, holding European allies over a barrel, knock on effects in worldwide elections...it's pretty short sighted to think that this only affects Americans. I say this as an American who's lived abroad for 16 years.
Trump is a 90s-era democrat (and he was literally registered as such for years, only switched for elect-ability) so this gaslighting feels especially odd. Not sure we'll ever see an actual conservative again
This is so, so, so tiresome. It's always about racism and sexism with these folx. It's like they don't want to understand things in this world.
Nobody ever thinks they are the ones who will be hated on.
And you don't need to be white to be a white supremacist. Just sayin
First they came…
You wokes are talking about gender and race - even today - after you lost!! You're still not talking about poverty.
The political left - virtually everywhere - needs to learn from this. Socialism isn't what modern voters want and no amount of shrieking about how unfair that is will make the political left more electable.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 The political left didn't run. The political left is Bernie Sanders and AOC. While Harris is more liberal than Biden and Obama, she's not the political left.
Don't interrupt when someone you don't agree with is making a mistake, it's bad manners ^_^ Any folly will reveal itself against reality.
Oh.. this is terrible, how could this even happen. Harris loses the electoral collage, the popular vote, the senate, the house and DT get to pick judges for another 4 years. How could this happen
guys come on. it was just people complaining about inflation
That's it. Groceries and gas prices (due to covid and Russian invasion of Ukraine) frightened many people into thinking it was Biden's fault. Short-sighted, but that is it. And when we go into a real recession in a year or two people will know what's up for real..
Which was substantially lower in the US than most of the world and a direct consequence of the failure to manage 2020.
@@Justanotherconsumer States (mostly Democrat) chose lockdowns, not Trump.
Too simplistic by half.
@@Justanotherconsumer right. “Sit down, plebe. Your life is great. Stop complaining.”
The guys on this podcast are getting it. Not 100%, but are getting there. This woman is clueless, and her reasoning is exactly why the Democratic Party lost.
The lady is so clueless. For all your education and work, you still don't understand what the common American sees.
Being German I always had the greatest love for the USA and thought that Magas in 2016 would be a sad exception.
Now I know that this is the constant dark side of America and distance myself a bit more from the US.
@@yesnotesinfo as the Afd rises in Deutschland aber… es ist so traurig mit beiden
I don't blame you. My countrymen have just positively voted to have an authoritarian regime. Unreasonable men have triumphed and showed us how popular unreason now is in the US. This regime will no longer be a reliable friend of democratic states throughout the world.
Being Brazilian, I kinda feel the same. The US was never the shining city on a hill that it thought itself to be, but now I feel that that ideal is farther from reality than it was a couple decades ago.
I've never been to the US yet, but I'm not going anytime soon either. I prefer to visit functioning democracies. I hope the US are among them anytime soon again
Americans have been garbage for the EU since your wall fell, wake up to that. Trump is just more in your face - xoxo from Southern Europe
I am Ivy League educated, but I'm far from rich, and I think some of the commentators in this podcast are not willing to hear a certain band of answers about why this happened that are right beyond their periphery. I am Liberal, but I listen to the right and the left, and I think those two extremes have more in common, and in agreement about what it wrong, than most liberals think, and it seems to be primarily rooted in economic disparity. Liberals and the middle class may need to take a hit for the team for a period so everyone in outer darkness can calm down enough to tolerate trans kids and diverse superstitions....
Reading Harper's Index for November, I was lead to believe that the DNC was fundamentally myopic when it comes to running a candidate. Joe Biden could not have performed any worse in any Machiavellian electorial system. The DNC ran a candidate that personified all the dismissive elements of our failing culture. IQ selection has completely disenfranchized 15% of the American demographic. They will vote against this every time.
i'm a lil Ivy league educated person tho i dn't think of it as little, bcuz G.U. Walsh S.F.S. I agree to some extent, but i'm not quite clear on what u mean overall and would love some expansion
@ I think the far left and the far right largely both consist of people who are poor and desperate and do not have much hope or faith in our government and economic systems to make things better. Many of the same people who ended up voting Trump, like Joe Rogan, said they really loved Bernie Sanders when he was running. What the two have in common are populist appeals and somewhat radical economic messaging. When you feel like you’re falling into a hole and stagnating economically and politically, and normal politics and economics seem to be to blame, the mere promise of radical change of any sort seems promising, like pulling the lever on the slot machine, versus hoping that what seems to be “more of the same” will provide a new outcome.
In reality, I don’t think Kamala would have been more of the same, either, but she had to brand herself in those terms. And I think Trump will in fact turn out to be more of the same, despite branding himself otherwise.
My gosh. Her edited 60 minutes interview is nearly all you need to know. This is a person running for the highest post in the land and 60 minutes couldn’t let her speak freely - they (or the campaign…and that’s worse) just couldn’t help misinforming the public. Just a disaster. How many “producers” and “handlers” and “directors” etc were involved 100x over in the past trying to mold her into someone she wasn’t? She should have insisted on autonomy. All the cooks spoiled the broth. It aint rocket science. Imagine all the “experts” in the background with their fingers in the mix, knowing what’s best, not just for the Dem Party and Biden and Kamala and 60 Minutes and CBS and all the advertisers. Just gross.
Man, Michelle's absolute insistence on not wanting to understand the 71 million Americans who voted for Trump is so hard to listen to. It's far easier to call her political opponents hateful racists and bigots, than to actually listen to them. Ross simply encouraged the others to listen to the Theo Von and Joe Rogan interviews, and a level of audible anger rose up in Michelle.
Trump voters are not the monsters that so many like Michelle make them out to be. There is great opportunity in this next season if the political left with simply acknowledge this.
Ya she needs to consider the “anger” filter is in her brain
agree. and only by acknowledging that can the left in the US ever win again.
She's legitimately mentally ill
Voting for a felon who tried to overturn a fair election result is morally questionable at minimum. Funny how even Mike Pence refused to endorse Trump because of that.
Oh but the USA is really full of hateful bigots and fascists, there is no doubt about it now.
Tone deaf analysis from Mt. Olympus
I naively thought that the fact that he's a Yankee and not a born-again Christian would turn off Americans in 'Middle America' but in hindsight, in his core, he's the most 'American' person I can think of.
“Born-again Christian” is exactly what he is.
That label tends to fall extremely often on people who don’t seem to pay much attention to the red letters…
@@Justanotherconsumer Trump claimed to be a Christian just to garner the substantial evangelical vote. When asked about whether he prefers the OT or NT, he simply said 'both' and when asked about his favorite verse(s) he refused to engage. Hmm, not much insight there!
Sounds like you hate America
I think Bernie Sanders summed up the issue in his post election statement. I'm guessing the panel would disagree with Bernie. ☮️
Pretty sad that they are talking about scapegoating and then refusing to admit that it was the Democratic Party that failed and no one else
@ArmHope That seems a little reductionist. I don't think anyone is disputing that the Democratic party failed in many ways. But, they definitely did not exist in a vacuum, get credit for what they were able to do, or create all the factors that brought them down.
@@natepinsonDon't argue with him. You can't win against people like that.
@@bobbyc1120 you have the same logic of the democratic party, while they refused to have a primary a year ago because they are smarter than the electorate. You are the patronizing authoritarian who refused a primary.
Ignorance and fear won. Build your camps, smile for history.
David Plouffe is a moron. He miscalculated on Israel trade and the border and shat on the entire working class to chase a few ghosts of nikki haley voters
"Donald Trump was a threat to democracy" opened up the natural question of "Why didn't Joe Biden arrest him on day one?" Article 1 Section 9 Clause 2 of the US Constitution...
Bingo. Our institutions utterly failed all of us. The Senate should have convicted Trump for Jan. 6th, and when that failed, the Justice Department should have had Trump in the dock within a year. The mountains of slam-dunk evidence against him for Jan. 6th and attempted vote tampering in Georgia should have been before a jury even before the 2022 midterms, and certainly within a month after.
Blaming other people. Is that what the Nazi did?
Nazis breathed air and drank water too!
I need more popcorn listening to these liberals crying.
I can’t believe how few fellow conservatives there are in the comments here. This is gold.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Plus, they have no sense of humor...I mean come on...after everything the press has done for the past 10 years, the reporters as a shield joke was actually pretty funny. They seem to think he's serious. So sad. Low energy.
@@badwolftx2139very low energy 😂
Amazing. Clueless. The country he joined 10 years ago? Ridiculous. Unless your name is Tocqueville, I'm not interested in your opinion.
This woman is delusional, im not trying to be mean, im being serious
Michelle is so not Zen right now
She needs to realigned her chakras... I feel her chest chakra needs to open up more.
the conversation between the dude making a point that Trump's main driver of support is not a anger channel like that woman said, and her reaction proved that progressive media see everything with a filter.
Reject the lessons, Dems. We'll have MAGA for the next 50 years 🤣
I am right leaning. I enjoy the ny times podcasts though. This particular one is out of touch though haha
The NYT has had a lot of unhinged podcasts posted in the past few hours, this might be amongst the most unhinged
This is incredibly wild yes
Yet your comment calling Kamala Harris mentally ill is completely normal and above board.
So much for 78 being too old for a president.
Hate and cruelty won out, and y'all are gonna pay for it with tariffs, leading to higher prices, and higher taxes. Trump promised the rich a tax cut, he's not going to provide relief for anyone but himself. Watch. We've been there already.
It is comedy gold!!!
What's great is they will be around forever. in forty years when people want to hear how unhinged the liberals we had to put up with were this decade, they can just listen to ten minutes of this, and they'll get it.
Rural communities and states with strict abortion bans with doctor punishment will feel the effects of abortion when there are no OBGYN in their state. People were holding out hope for change, I think this election will cause doctors to leave faster.
They don’t care
You are delusional!
@@wesleybaker9724 Time will tell.
I see my other comment was reported. Cancel culture 🤷♀️
It is a FACT that doctors are leaving abortion restricted states and that fewer doctors are specializing in OBGYN, and that medical residencies in abortion restricted states are unable to receive all instruction on women’s reproductive care.
Deleted 2 times. Fantastic conversation.
I'll practice where I am less likely to face prison time for dispursing science.
Why is the woman host so shrill and fixated on her own personal family/friend dynamics? I'm a woman and i found her ridiculous
I voted for Harris and proudly so. However, immigration and driven the country to the right. We must slow down the flow of immigrants. We don’t have the resources. Too much too fast.
there arent that many immigrants. the ones there are prop up our economy and SS system. This was never a problem until trump made it one.
Curious that those who voted for trump has no problem with him keeping the immigration issue alive by directing the GOP to kill the Langford bill
Incorrect. Immigrants provide billions in tax revenue. Deporting them and many others will COST even MORE, and that workforce and revenue will not be replaced... Or is that why minors are being allowed to work?
Are you aware that immigrants applying for asylum aren't allowed to work for the first six months they're in this country? That's six months of taking care of their needs, when they could be paying rent, buying groceries and paying taxes.
The nation's voice that was thought to be captured before the election was of those who had a voice.
Post the election, the voice that came through was those who didn't have a voice or weren't asked/considered.
The damning moment for me was the those voices of the undecided that said they can't afford to live and that their American Dream no longer exists. When that voice was left unanswered directly by the Democratic Party then the election was lost.
Never underestimate the actions of a desperate person... there's a nation of desperate people who don't care where it comes from, they want change and to try something new as what there is now isn't working for them.
Lots of Trump's win rests on key values of American society: isolationism, "the American dream", celebrity culture, racism, individualism...
Absolutely
Still don't get it.
And also misogyny. Don't forget the misogyny and racism
All tools born from Capitalism and the billionaire traitors who purchased the traitor president elect.
And yet it would seem that Trump made significant gains across a diverse group of voters. I’m very interested to learn more in the coming weeks as all of the data comes in.
On the bright side neoliberalism is likely over or on the way out. However, I can’t say I like what will replace it
I don't hear anyone talking about tribalism in the fact that politics is life and death. I don't hear anyone talking about the fact that supporters of fascism are not making their own decisions and cannot think for themselves
Lol "everybody else is stupid and I'm the smart one" this is why the election was lost how can you not see that now?
There are two things that motivate people. One is frustration
In this special post-apocalyptic episode ...
Boy, Michelle is angry! I mean she would make a great TV show, I guess but she was my least favorite part of this podcast. Ross trying to make sense of this dismal loss in a way that doesn’t tap into denial is commendable
So many people were ignored. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Fear wasn’t enough to get them to vote, but it really did a number on those that embraced it all.
Lmao at the comments here. Keep blaming the electorate. That will work! I’m sure of it!
Who else is to blame? The people chose what they wanted.
Abortion was NOT "her best issue". Caring for the environment was and still is her best issue
michelle was about to body slam ross
Fantastic conversation. This is why y’all are my favorite NYTimes podcast!
Because states had referendums, it made tge ballot ala carte ... Vote Yes on abortion rights, no on Kamala.
More people didn’t vote for him. Fewer people voted for the Democrats. So some people just gave up on both parties and this what you get.
Nope. We can't blame this on apathy. This is what people want, apparently.
Many democrats didn’t vote for Democrats because deep down they knew the Dems were the worst candidate
I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH MICHELLE
Don't want to hear a single MAGA voter complain about prices and taxes going forward. You got duped, yet again.
Even if prices go up or things are bad-- who's to say the Dems would have done better?
@@gnoufignon Dems weren't talking about tariffs.
@@gnoufignon History and facts. But I understand MAGAts don't understand what either of those are.
things were great duringTrump’s first four years, so why would I have any reason to believe things will be bad now when they were good before?
@@scubadivingadventures1great? Omg
The liberals on this are just emotional and angry and it’s unprofessional and unbecoming. The woman in particular is pretty hysterical. Ross makes important points but the screeching at him is grating.
💯. These are some sick manhattan white liberals.
16:16 I didn't want to think we were angry and nasty, but I can't deny it anymore. All I hear now is empty idealism in thinking people are not animals at heart.
Trump, he's the taste of a generation!
Ok, Ross does make a good point
You people are clueless about America.
They're clueless about a lot of things.
“Rally people around to hate on an other.” This.
By OTHER, you mean the Trans activists that were invading women's bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports?
Or the gender identity politics that invaded public school libraries and indoctrinating 5 year olds?
Or the 10M+ illegal immigration wave of 90% fraudulent asylum claims which enabled the invasion of over 400,000 career criminals some of which whom have taken over apartment complexes in Colorado and Texas even to this day?
Or migrants lowering the wages for working class Americans and driving up housing prices by subsidizing them with taxpayer money? (hint: see recent revised jobs report)
Only crazy progressive lunatics agree with these policies and the administration fully embraced these issues. Even liberals who fully accepted the trans movement couldn't get behind them discussing sex without their consent to 5 year olds and their daughters getting beaten by biological men demolishing them in sports due to their natural advantage. The working class jobs absolutely being eliminated by paying "asylum seekers" soul crushing wages while they also receive welfare. In every non-skilled labor jobs from factories to hotel house keeping to cleaning to food delivery to Uber, asylum seekers took jobs from Americans while they benefited from our tax dollars.
My tax for NGOs. My tax for foreigners. My tax for foreign wars. My tax for rising housing prices.
And you think it was Trump who ran on hating OTHERS that resonated with voters? Harris lost because her administration betrayed its own citizens. Voters are furious and wanted the guy who prioritized its own citizens.
Push back Carlos!! It's my dream to one day hear a loud slap sound followed by Russ sounds suddenly stopping.
Michelle makes another good point about the narrative
"It's the economy stupid" 🤦🏻♂️
I think that much of what I Donald Trump said in the last couple of weeks prior to the election was taunting the opposition.
I’m not waiting to work for Democrats in 2026. We’ve got to elect Abigail Spanberger Governor of Virginia next year …
The *Criminal-in-Chief* reigns again. 😢
You’re weird and nobody agrees with you bro. Trump won in a huge landslide. Stay home and focus on other stuff besides politics
Which is not illegal.
Cope & Seethe.
Calling it Trumpism proves you still don't get it. My Voting Record is Obama x2, Bernie, Trump x3. You keep trying to make it about Trump and his personality when it's not about him. It's entirely about the economy and foreign policy. It's center-populism. My '28 vote will go to the whoever is the most anti-war, socially libertarian, but economically nationalist/populist candidate. The last three elections that has been Trump. If there isn't a libertarian populist in '28 then my vote will go to whoever is closest. If that's a left-leaning populist like RFK or a right-leaning populist like Tucker... social issues matter less to me. But if Republicans go back to nominating neocons or think that I'd ever vote for a McCain or Bush they don't understand me either.
I don't think Trumpism is necessarily a negative term. I think it sounds better than MAGA. I think it's just the name that people are using to describe the movement like with Karl Marx and Marxism. It doesn't have a positive or negative connotation, it's just a description.
@@Atomix_117 Seems to me to be a continuation of their incessant claim that his appeal is due to a "cult of personality", one that has nothing to do with policy. But that, as proven this election, is an inversion of the truth. Populist policies have brought in many non-traditional republican voters, including the likes of RFK jr. and others.
@@Atomix_117 "Trumpism" is clearly meant to be derogatory. I think the most accurate terms would be populists, center/center-right populists, America First populists, the America First coalition..., do you think this political philosophy started with Trump? It didn't. Do you think it will just go away when Trump leaves office? It won't. "Trumpism" is a term used intentionally for negative branding.
True… It's not a fad… It’s a fatal disease…
gotcha, men beat you again.
Join the club baby. It feels oh so good
Keep sitting there in your studio crying as your city rots due to the very policies the American people rejected last night.
Im curious if people believe that the next Republican candidate will have Trumps appeal. It seems to me most of his anointed candidates have historically lost. Trumps draw is trump himself. Without him at the helm do they get the same results? Will the anger and hate disappear, no, but will it coalesce like it does with Trump, I have my doubts.
The flat earth president
Seems to be plenty of anger going around, including on set.
Again Michelle is RIGHT%!!!!!!!
Ross makes another good point about being tied to Biden
OMG! These people are hilarious! I have heard this dribble, drabble before. Our country is in trouble. I ve been around so long it is sad. Covid-19? Hello? Get a clue. Let us see what happens in two years.School Board meetings are important Brad, get off your highhorse and attend one. 1997 world is not good for women. Brad! stop talkingand actually go out and experience the people outside of your economic world right now
MAGA voters didn’t have a broader view.
WTH, America is not angry… just look at the gun violence statistics and tell me you are for real!
That’s the main reason I try to sidestep US whenever I can in my work travels
Yes, step off the plane and there is a 1 in 4 chance you will be shot. It's a wonder you are still alive if you have been here a few times. I mean, hell, i just heard my neighbor get gunned down outside while i was typing this comment. You might want to look for another job, is it really worth your life?
The Cope still surfaces
Abortion and contraception ARE economic issues. She never made the connection.
Whats-her-name has a meltdown at 11:35
This how you choose to celebrate your victory? shows alot about your chartacter.
Just voting for Trump already shows someone's character.
Its not just there she has an aggressive tone all throughout the rest of the debate
I didn't vote for Trump and focused heavily on local elections. Emotional outbursts and not taking responsibility ensures further Democrat losses in the future.
@@robert9662 It’s everyone’s victory. And pointing out a funny observation isn’t indicative of how he’s celebrating. It makes me think you’d be a major douchebag if your party won
Is it me, or is the female participant's voice mixed quite a bit lower than the two male voices?
Calling other people angry and nasty, makes you sound angry and nasty. It’s time to listen to eachother folks.
They're gone. Just enjoy the spiral.
@@hussainwaseem1542 LOL no. The time for coalition building has passed. Trump did not win by building a coalition.
It's time for a real, radical message that sounds like the truth in a roomful of lies.
It's time to stop compromising.
Calling me people angry 7 nasty sure worked for CULT LEADER Donald Trump, didn't it? Trump & his supporters are allowed to SAY ANYTHING--no matter who racist/sexist, ugly., rude, cruel...but, the opponents of Trump aren't even supposed to make OBVIOUS observations
What you have here are three relatively well-off people who are probably going to be widening their readership criticizing a man who is not hard to find fault with --to put it mildly. None of them appears to question the political duopoly that this country appears to be stuck with. None of them appears to imagine a time when the U.S. might cease to exist. None of them appears to think that human beings (including some who were born and raised in the U.S.) are capable of living outside the control of a nation-state or an empire. So, good luck finding any 'pearls of wisdom' among what they say here...
Next 4 years will be a Shakespearean experience in America and in the rest of the World.
Good luck in Washington!
Yeah, but a comedy or a tragedy? Much Ado About Nothing or Macbeth?
I think you don't know the common denominator in those young male podcasts is the stupidity. There's a great lack of intellect and expertise.
Anti-intellectualism has a long history in American politics.
Ross is so right.. I fully concur
Why don’t you talk about this: how most Americans are fed up with Woke?
thank you for stating the obvious
xenophobic, sexist word salad keywords. this is why you guys lost, you just don't really understand and are over thinking it.
I see a lot of nastiness - but not total nastiness or only nastiness. The problem is that those who are trying to reach across the divide aren't as polarizing and interesting as those spewing hatred of the "enemy" (our fellow citizens) so our voices are NOT amplified, giving the misimpression that they don't exist.
I really don't like the portrayal of Trump's vitriol and nastiness as powerful and masculine. What message are we sending to our youth by rewarding this with power. I understand that people want to divorce his policies from his rhetoric BUT I don't think that is the message that young people are getting. I think they are getting the message that polarization, demonization of those who disagree and calling fellow Americans "the enemy within" are signs of strength and paths to dominance, which is to be preferred over leadership and inclusiveness, which are signs of weakness. The young people who disagree with this are scared of those who agree or SEEM to agree because they don't place any limits on Trump or his supporters' rhetoric. If Trump faced ANY consequences for his rhetoric, he would tone it down (He is very political and not stupid), but he doesn't.
Give us video man