BRUTALLY OFFENSIVE Kpop Opinions: Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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Name: Cheryl
Age: 24
Pronouns: she/her
Race: Black (African)
Editing Software: Wondershare Filmora X, Canva for the powerpoints, Inshot for the thumbnails
Stan List:
Ult of Ults: Monsta X, Red Velvet, Ateez, Everglow, Wonho
Ults: SHINee BTS,MCND, Billlie, SKZ, Cherry Bullet, ITZY, (G) I-dle, SECRET NUMBER,
Semi Ults: AOA, TWICE, AESPA, BLACKPINK, MAMAMOO, SUPERM, NCT 127, KARD, DREAMCATCHER, IZ*ONE, TAEMIN
Frequently listened to groups: SEVENTEEN, ALEXA, CHUNGHA, YURI, EUNBI, YURI, YENA, KEP1ER-ish, CLC, ONEUS, DAY6, ONEWE, CIGNATURE, PURPLE KISS, 3YE, NU'EST, PIXY, KEY, KAI, STAYC, HYUNA, DAWN, WOODZ, SUNMI, WEEEKLY, ASTRO, GOT, NCT (Remaining Units), KINGDOM, ROCKET PUNCH, FROMIS_9, AOA, OH MY GIRL, GOT7, WJSN, BAEKHYUN, GWSN, APINK, THE ROSE, TRI.BE, EXO, WAYV, STAY C,
Timestamps:
0:00 Preview + Intro
0:35 About Videos
3:01 Kpop HASN'T PEAKED
4:16 The nice things your fandom did are irrelevant to the toxicity
4:59 NOONE paved the way
6:19 Companies don't care about offending you
8:00 Most ggs are yet to top their debut
9:02 KPOP F@PCAMS are gonna be normalized
10:12 Ktube Shorts are getting creepy
11:24 Company stans are walking red flag
12:57 Idols aren't CHOOSING to starve
14:09 Some self-producing idols need to stop
15:38 ARMY and BLINK need to stop with the self-victimization
16:52 Stop bitching about vocals
18:08 Kpop stans are OBSESSED with Idols suffering
20:31 Believing the victim is DUMB!
22:24 Leave talent out when calling out problematic idols
23:48 If you still watch survival shows SHUT UP about the manipulation
24:55 we are enabling queerbaiting in kpop
26:18 saying aespa have no stage presence is a REACH
27:46 favoritism is necessary
30:08 ITZY is getting boring
31:25 IVE and PURPLE KISS have the best 4th gen debuts
32:03 Yes, BTS changed their minds, and it's okay
33:11 Quality over Quantity argument is irrelevant to BlackPink
33:55 JESSI needs to learn some damn respect
34:40 Conclusion and Outro
Ult groups: MX, RV, Ateez, Everglow
Stan List and Frequently listened to groups: SHINee, BTS, SKZ, BLACKPINK, SECRET NUMBER, AESPA, ITZY, CHERRY BULLET, G IDLE, SEVENTEEN, KARD, WONHO, ALEXA, CHUNGHA, YURI, EUNBI, YURI, YENA, KEP1ER-ish, CLC, SUPER M, ONEUS, DAY6, ONEWE, CIGNATURE, PURPLE KISS, 3YE, MAMAMOO, TWICE, NU'EST, PIXY, KEY, TAEMIN, KAI, STAYC, HYUNA, DAWN, WOODZ, SUNMI, WEEEKLY, ASTRO, DREMCATCHER, GOT, NCT (ALL UNITS), KINGDOM, ROCKET PUNCH, FROMIS_9, AOA, OH MY GIRL,GOT7, WJSN, BAEKHYUN, 
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Someone teach Jessi social etiquette. Please and Thank you.
Yea I love Jessi but I know what you are talking about, sometimes she do make male idol uncomfortable even some female idols too with her talk and sometimes actions
But what do you mean she's a sAvAGe she's expressing herself 😔 omg Cheryl you're misogynistic 😔😔
Edit: not hating on her 😭 she's amazing
Ikr?! Thing is. She can also be super sweet and understanding, but that's by far overshadowed by this "unfiltered" persona she has in her shows and stuff. There's a huge difference between being casual and just plain.... crass?, for lack of better wording.
I think Jessi is a pretty fun person, but I have seen her do that too and I think it has been normalized mainly because of the big wave of so called feminist that are kind of man haters or like to feel men inferior to make them and women seem superior. I'm not a huge fan of that. There are moments when you need to put disrespectful people in their place, but that goes both ways for men and women. I'm just saying if the roles were switched and jessi was male disrespecting a female and the girl stood up to herself the next day media would be like female idol put disrespectful host back in their place or something about them being savage or sassy. However if someone clapped back at Jessi and I don't mean it when she is all fun and games just joking around, but when she makes a really uncomfortable joke that they just play it off as cultural shock (which is also kind of stereotypes if we don't want to say racist, because if the joke was that she was acting like a stereotypical asian and not new yorker it would be hell on erath, but let's not talk about that) and he responed back he would be canceled because he defended himself. Why is that a thing again?
Like I love her personality and all, but sometimes, I find her ignorant and stuck up as if she doesn't want to understand where her fans are coming from
Boa and TVXQ created a pathway for Kpop in Japan, BIGBANG for the rest of Asia, Psy for introducing Kpop to the western world, BTS for stabilising kpop for the rest of the western world, Kara and TWICE for reiterating Japan and BLACKPINK for reiterating all parts of the world. SNSD, 2NE1, Wonder Girls, SHINEE, SuJu all also assisted in the Hallyu wave. It's a team effort, they all contributed in their own ways to make kpop as mainstream as today.
Yes It is a collective effort.
Tvxq in japan too
@@brennathecatlover4360 Can't believe I ddn't mention them! Will add them in, thanks!
@@lbell9695 no problem lol who could forget the gods of the East 😂
@@brennathecatlover4360 I feel like an absolute idiot lol 😅🤣
Still don’t understand why saying fapcams are bad is considered an opinion instead of an actual fact.
exactly!!!!! say it louder hope this gets more likes
I still don’t know what they are and I getter even more scared every time Everglow-up and other youtubers talk how bad it is that I kinda don’t wanna even look what it is
Ikr
What is fapcam?
@@silverdrew6104 For what I understand, correct me if im wrong please, in Kpop, a fapcam are gifs or parts of fancams of idols that people use to fap with.
Most of these issues can be boiled down to: people should check their parasocial relationships ASAP. Some people project SO MUCH of themselves into idols and assign them so much value in their own real lives that they NEED them to be exactly what they are feeling so they can relate. If they have been miserable, or they are miserable, idols they like HAVE to be, or have to understand them personally or whatever. You can joke about these things but.... making that leap to attach your mood and overall mental state to a person you will probably never meet, let alone talk for over 5 minutes if you are lucky... that's unhealthy
You literally just stated facts. I first dis it when I joined the kpop world years ago but I grew out of it as I got better. People need life outside of social media.
@@ediphany I got into Kpop when I was... 22? 23? something like that. Well established adult. Before that I knew of them, liked a few songs but never *got* into it because I saw my friends creating these weird relationships between their mental health and the idols they liked and I just..... couldn't dissociate the fan from the artist at that point.... took me a while to understand you *actually* could do that. I don't blame people who form those bonds, surely shit in their lives have to be very difficult if they get into that mindset... but they have to recognize its an unhealthy coping mechanism, not a "quirky thing to do"....
@@christa0chellew yeah, I understand what u mean. If only kpop stans or stans in general would just know the difference.
then kpop companies wont make that much money as they make it now. kpop will NEVER be free from parasocial relationships because it is its damn core. nothing will change, accept it or move on honestly
Your opinion on self produced songs is spot on I'm so sick of fans thinking that just because its self produced it automatically makes it good
this makes sense tho
And sometimes it's annoying bcs they always use that fcking reason to uplift their faves while downgrading other groups.
@@seempt they say “at least my faves produce their own songs” as a reason to belittle other groups who doesn’t compose their own music
@@seempt That too it's really annoying
@@jiiwonyang well it really is a flex if the songs their faves are making were actually GOOD.
One mine:
International fans need to stop talking over Koreans and then portraying them as villians or problematic.
Like they're calling entire country of over 50m racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc. Why do people love generalizing?
At the end of the day, if you're that hurt or offended by actions that were made by Korean artists- stop listening their songs, stop buying their albums, stop watching their dramas. Nobody forces you to give money or time.
They don't realise how different Korean society is compared to western society
@@Riri03 It's just not okay to talk over Koreans when it comes to Korean issues. Like I know they love their idols and all but stop negating their views, opinions, culture.
And the fact that people are ready to form opinions about entire country based on some music or shows is bizzare to me. At least form opinion after talking to Korean people, after going there etc.
i think it’s okay to discuss and talk abt flaws in other cultures as long as you do your research and don’t speak over those from those countries. but to then generalize everyone in that country is wrong bc although the society maybe lean more to one side or the other, that doesn’t mean everyone is like that. is there homophobia in korea? yes. is there also xenophobia in korea? also yes. but these are both due to cultural factors in korea that lend to these issues. there are many east asian countries that also deal with both of those things due to religion, the type of culture they are (which is more collectivist rather than individualistic) and the fact that they’re pretty homogenous. does that make these issues okay? no. but does that mean that you can berate that country for it? no again it’s not your place.
Fr, they're like "omg Korean netizens bad grr bark bark 😡‼️" as if they don't listen to music or watch dramas from that same country 💀 for example I've seen so many Lisa stans complain about how knetz were the worst to Lisa and how Lisa is so much better, like they're part of the reason why she's that famous lmao 💀
@@yunjeans They straight up called Koreans xenophobic just because Lalisa didn't chart well:
1) YG hasn't promoted song in South Korea anyways.
2) They simply disliked songs. Nothing related to Lisa being Thai.
I mean they're forgetting that many non Korean idols are making career in Korea, including Lisa. If anything 80% Koreans comments I've read about Lisa were praising her Korean. But kpop stans love projecting.
i understand why Jessi may be so entertaining to kpop groups, considering they have to be careful about everything. but half her jokes are just cursing, i really don’t understand how she’s liked internationally. like… how would an average american teen find her funny or shocking when they’re probably watching euphoria 😭
Why does this comment make me laugh 😂
Im not American (hence the name) but I like Jessi because she’s so unfiltered and swears so much, it’s refreshing in an industry where everything is done so carefully (for the most part)
She do go over bord sometimes but yll make it sound bigger from what it is 😫✋
Cuz she’s so energetic compared to the typical quiet shy idol that’s why lol
there are still many kpop idols who are savage yet not borderline rude. 1st and 2nd gen idols are tend to be like this bcs back then fans are much more easygoing
After you find out there are actually many savage idols in the industry, you'll realize that jessi is overrated (although i still like her in spite of personally found some of her jokes uncomfortable)
"Yes I Stan blackpink I know their music is mediocre"
Me in a nutshell. 😭
I think their music is mediocre because they're not given enough space.
For example I used to think that Twice was only capable of making some sweet songs but then when I started listening their discography and songs they made i changed my opinion.
It's shame because girls are talented but they don't even have 30 songs yet. (Counting solos as well)
I'm a blink as well and i agree 😭
I was like finally someone said it 😭
I don't need a PhD to tell hybe to stop putting excessive autotune on BTS ,TXT and enhypen songs and ruining them
It feels like BigHit is using BTS for the Grammys and it just saddens me.
I just hope BTS comes back with their OWN music that screams "BTS".
I'm a Ex-army but I do look forward to BTS future releases.
Same with TXT and Enhypen.
Tbh TXT is still recognizable but Enhypen and BTS tho 😭😭😭
@@user-hi7dh8lu7y yes enhypen and BTS sounds kinda robotic even txt also but not that much
Thank you for saying that SM don't do apology. omg literally anyone who has been a stan of any groups from SM knows this. It's been going since ages, SM doesn't give shit about anyone, unless it's profiting them.
The only reason they probably had Giselle apologize is because they’re trying to break into the western market if they were more geared towards as Asia like most sm groups most likely no apology. Unless your suju and u made everyone mad lol
I remember when henry posted an apology on instagram and they made him take it down💀💀💀💀
Snake Music entertainment is wild, they won't defend their idols unless its beneficial for them and they won't apologise unless its beneficial to them.💀💀💀💀
They really let chanyeol almost lose his entire career for apparently clapping cheeks with someone else and the fans did the damage controlllllll proving that the person was lying. They're so annoying.
@@pearlcnrd what happened with Henry?
@@brennathecatlover4360 his I'm good mv was an entire mess of it's own to put it simply, the use of black hairstyles for fashion was exceedingly popular around this time and Henry's fans were upset by it.
He officially posted an apology post explaining his ignorance and apologising to his fans that he offended etc, and it was not even up for long because SM made him delete it shortly after.
I've also heard of alot of instances where these idols want to apologise but SM entertainment will not allow them to do it.
@@pearlcnrd where did u hear sm deleted it? Like how do u know it’s true
I've heard "kpop has reached its peak" every year in the 10+years I've been here 😂😂 it's not hitting the ceiling any time soon people CHILL
Kpop has been there since 90s. I swear people are just bored or bitter because generation that they've been following is disappearing. Genre will stay genre.
@@AB-yk2pq true. another generation superiority thing because they'll usually also say the next gen are flops. like kpop is moving with the times maybe you should as well
Agreed!
@@AB-yk2pq right when you think about it, KPOP is very young when you compare it to other music genres.
Finally someone said that about Jessi! I don't get what so funny about making sexual jokes out of literally everything. I feel so weirded out by her sometimes. Especially when she made that tongue joke with Yeosang. I'm not trying to assume what he felt about it but he was definitely flustered and that was not a situation to make this joke either. There were some people in the comments that were saying it wasn't ok but her stans kept saying that it's just a joke and to stop being so sensitive about it. Maybe I'm looking too into it but I do feel like she needs to tone it down atleast a little.
right?? not all people are open to those kinds of things. some people prefer to be lowkey with it and others can be uncomfortable with it. there are times when idols would call her out or embarrassed abt the out-of-pocket sexual jokes but they would get edited out and turned into some sort of "funny moments"😵
i like her being frank but if someone is literally flustered or uncomfortable with it, i think you should chill~
I really don't get why people call her queen. Like she's savage, outgoing and extrovert but feels like she's being limitless which idols and people may find uncomfortable. Just my opinion tho🙄
I remember watching that. Interestingly enough, as soon as he said and did that I knew what she would do. It was very obvious to me. In a way, he walked right into that one himself.
You can honestly more tell how he felt about it by the other members reactions- they were clearly shocked that a comment like that would be made towards yeosang of all people who’s not even that comfortable around his own members let alone some lady host. Look at Sam’s reaction- he was so shocked
completely agree with u. imagine if jessi was a man and made that comment towards a female idol.... yeah, different story 💀💀
"Big groups like blackpink and BTS paved the way for THEMSELVES" THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THIS!!! Armys and Blinks have been kiling themselves for years just bcuz' of this "who paved the way" bullshit. When in fact none of these big groups paved the way for the whole industry, they're making THEIR name big, not the entire kpop.
Ratmys are always claiming that BTS paved the way for other groups, especially BLACKPINK. I saw lots of Ratmys saying BLACKPINK only became big because of BTS. Until Blinks trended, "BLACKPINK paved their own way" as a clap back to Ratmys claiming that BTS is the reason for BLACKPINK's success. Lmao.
This just proves that yall have no idea what "paving the way" even means. Its not about "making every single kpop group just as big as bts" like NO, armys NEVER claimed that. Kpop groups still have to walk that path ON THEIR OWN. BTS isnt going to walk for them. But groups are literally already benefitting from BTS paving the way. NCT literally went to the grammys. groups are getting #1 on bb200 bc kpop albums are available at US retailers bc of BTS. Like yall are so blinded by hate that you refuse to look at FACTS. Like yall dont want to admit BTS paved the way bc they didnt help ur favs get as big as they are and thats just so bitter and ridiculous.
@@tuneluna6114 even if bts did paved the way why do yall bring it everytime a group achieves something. Are they supposed to bow down to bts for literally making themselves famous. The problem isnt bts paved the way or not the problem is yall. Discrediting every fking achievement with the paved the way thing
@@ygpml not you calling armys ratmys... Get a fucking social life outside the internet missmam
@@Moonlight_Shad0wbts paved for themselves
If Jessi was a “foreigner,” no one would like her behavior and like her.
To put it bluntly: if Jessi was a black woman, a white woman, a woman from the South Eastern region of Asia or a Latina, no one would support her antics. She wouldn’t be “ShE’s sO SaVaGE!”
She would be deemed just as ignorant as those ignorant American interviewers that some K-Pop stans like to talk about.
Technically isn't she a foreigner though. She grew up in American and went to Korea as a 15 year old. I'm black but just because I go back to African after being born in American don't make me one of them. She's one of those idols who are in limbo to me. There apart but still on the outside. I do think she does need to read the room sometimes, that being said if your going on her show and you see this is how she is then don't go on it.
This. THIS.
Are u saying she’s rude? Sorry I’m slow lol
@@brennathecatlover4360 it's not a problem. I prefer to call her "ratchet" at times. But "rude" or "unprofessional" are other ways to describe her.
@@dinahgraham4964 to be technical, she is American-born. I used "foreigner" in quotes to be smart-alecky. The "foreigner" term is normally used to politely, P.C. way of saying someone is not Asian living in Asian countries.
Besides this, I still stand behind my point. Jessi is still a Korean, so a lot of her antics are accepted by fans of idol music.
As a fan of Jessi, I definitely agree with you on that one. Hell, it makes ME uncomfortable sometimes seeing how she treats her male guests. She also an issue with interrupting or talking over people on variety shows which, as much as I love her, is actually really irritating like LET THEM SPEAK.
But her guests aren’t dumb they understand sexual stuff they probably say sexual things we shouldn’t just assume they’re uncomfortable
@@brennathecatlover4360 😶😶😬
@@seempt I’m just saying we shouldn’t just automatically assume they’re uncomfortable cuz they’re not saying sexual jokes back. It’s definitely a culture shock to them to have someone not act all good and quiet on camera
@@brennathecatlover4360 I too say sexual things, in the comfort of my own house and with people I trust and are my friends, not with strangers in front of a camera while thousands of people are watching.
@@simonarattu7230 I’m not just gonna assume her guests are uncomfortable cuz of culture differences.
I swear... Whenever I see people hating on a video, news article, etc I’m the ONLY person who actually looks into the whole thing before just blindly bashing on something because of its title. Doing research is really a dying art form at this point. What’re you all learning in school?
Totally agree! My number one motto is “shut your mouth until you know the entirety of the situation.” I thought it was common sense but I guess not…
Truly!
There is a RUclipsr I actually don't like. People hate him because he said that his son is a mistake. He didn't. He said that his son was conceived by mistake but they went through with it and they are giving him all the love in the world.
Honestly the fact that he is not giving his son the love he deserves is what this man should be hated about, not an out of context sentence
@@AndYouWillBeWithMe what ??who is he??
exactly! ppl wanna cancel celebrities so bad that they’ll take a 2 second clip and make it everything that it’s not
@@gidol1469 songbyrd ASMR's channel lmaoooo 🤣 I did a deep dive on them one night when I couldn't sleep
33:11 The "quality over quantity" argument is only used for groups that release weak music. People have to find some way to justify buying albums with maybe 5 songs on it, and only 1 of the songs is decent. You can definitely have BOTH quality and quantity from Kpop groups. The fans of groups that release tons of high quality music multiple times a year never have to worry about this debate cuz they're so well fed that no one in the fandom is starving and having to make excuses for why a slice of white bread is delicious.
Yeah but who gonna thought blink they always dragg others group down saying this line ' quantity over qaulity' and I think they have qaulity in their mv not in lyrics and their most of rap doesn't make sense and still blink going to said they have best music like their is limit to lie yourself
And I also think kpop have more group who make quality and quantity like Rocky group have both think ex.txt, ateez and more 4 generation group and 3 generation almost every group have this thing
Exactly!!!
Agree with "stop saing someone is untalated because of their attitude"
But it's crazy how some ppl Stan idols only because of their sexuality and pitty them yet they don't listen to their music?they call themselves their fan yet they don't even listen to their music
Omg this is do true
exactly! when will ppl understand that who someone is as a person has nothing to do with their level of talent? ironically, it’s always the worst ppl being the ones with the most talent
@@hnyuq4049 yup esp rappers
Like zico zimin giselle
@@hnyuq4049 but I hate how some ppl are making drama and ppl belive it
@@MarNoza agreed. when will they stop being a sheep?!
15:38 "This one is for Army and Blinks. You're Kpop stans, not ethnic minorities." This made me laugh out loud! ; ) Darn, does this mean that they can't obtain political asylum in the U.S. by claiming that other people might "oppress" them because of their obnoxious toxicity? LOL
I think the "kpop has peaked" thing is a misunderstanding because western fans forget that kpop is KOREAN entertainment mainly for the KOREAN (and some other asian countries like Japan) consumers. Kpop is currently a fad between western teens just like emo was once a time and in that sense I do see it fading from public interest. But Korean people will keep existing and supporting their local celebrities so kpop it's never going to go away
Explained perfectly
Agreed
"We are enabling queerbaiting in kpop" OMG i agree so much. I don't like skinship. I'm bisexual and i'm fan of TWICE. But i really cringe watching clips of Sana flirting with other members because i know it's probably insincire, i think she was being told by JYPE managers to be a "touchy/flirty member" and now it's her just her job. I'm gonna tell you a hard to swallow pill. No your idol probably is not a lEsBiAn/GaY IcOn, they're just expected to satisfy their creepy sexualizing stans who fantasize about same-sex couples, but many of this fans are probably homophobic and wouldn't support them if they actually came out.
Well this queerbaitiing call "fan service" and she does great jod at it 👏
Honestly, even if the idol is gay/lesbian/part of the LGBTQIA+ community, there's no place yet for them to be open about it. SK is still not ready for their idols to come out as not-straight or not-cis. Why? Just look at how "fans" even react when an idol dates someone from the opposite gender (that's also I-fans though), but if it's with someone from the same gender... That's not something that they can do yet without being cancelled and having their career ended. Just look at Holland, he was already out as gay when he debuted and I don't think Koreans like him (as I see him mostly promoting for international people)
Honestly, even if the idol is gay/lesbian/part of the LGBTQIA+ community, there's no place yet for them to be open about it. SK is still not ready for their idols to come out as not-straight or not-cis. Why? Just look at how "fans" even react when an idol dates someone from the opposite gender (that's also I-fans though), but if it's with someone from the same gender... That's not something that they can do yet without being cancelled and having their career ended. Just look at Holland, he was already out as gay when he debuted and I don't think Koreans like him (as I see him mostly promoting for international people)
No wonder they wouldn’t actually support it since they’re forced to act like it for weird fans fantasies
EXACTLY
24:55 THIS. We often do talk about how harmful shipping is but we forget how many ppl fall for skinship and fanservice by making “proof ____ is real” videos, “___ jealous moments” videos, and fanfics everytime and bc of that, companies will keep encouraging idols to do fanservice. And don’t get me started on how some kpop stans try to “prove” that kpop idols are apart of the lgbt community. It’s one thing to make jokes like “ateez gay” or “irene hates men” but it’s another to “find clues” that they are actually gay. Sexuality is smth that is very sensitive to a lot of ppl so it’s not ok to define it for them or out them if they don’t feel comfortable doing so. Not to mention how ppl try to prove an idol is gay through gay stereotypes (just bc a male idol likes stereotypical feminine stuff doesn’t mean he’s gay and just bc a female idol likes stereotypical masculine stuff doesn’t mean she is a lesbian). Kpop stans also need to understand that just bc an idol might be gay doesn’t automatically mean your otp is real, idols have other ppl in their lives so it’s highly unlikely that your ship is real.
I think people especially need to consider that it's not just a problem to "wrongly assume someone's sexuality" and make "prove" videos etc for it, but that it's just as bad and probably even worse if they're actually right. In that case they are essentially trying to out a person against their will, which is not okay in general, made even worse by them being in an industry where it could cost them their job. Straight idols probably feel weird about this type of content, but gay idols? I wouldn't be surprised if it scares them.
the "proof" in question are just harmful stereotypes of queer people and many of them dont reallise it
I feel like anytime someone talks about this people who probably are into this for all the wrong reasons would just bash anybody who says this.
I especially ult ATEEZ and it honestly kills me seeing how much content is sexualized when they are literally just like someone glanced at someone and that gets sexualized… and I’m just like y’all it’s so insane that people are making this content. Which I’m concerned about the time that they are spending, well actually wasting, doing this when they could be doing anything else. But it just reminds me of people who continue to look at Jenny and Jungkook videos which they literally just glance at one another and people think that they are in a relationship because of that… like what it’s just getting out of hand but that’s just the entirety of K-pop so many things just get out of hand.😐
@@luisab3079 good point!!!
My most offensive opinion is that this generation of idols lack camera personality or are genuinely scared to get cancelled because absolutely nobody is entertaining like twice ,bts or super junior (as offending and horrible they were they can genuinely keep me interested in watching their variety content and make me laugh hard) , we need to bring back humor in kpop and kick out the political bullshit not everything needs to be taken seriously (minus the part if they were actually being racist or sexist)
coughs in Treasure
Coughs in Stray Kids
Coughs in Dreamcatcher. Those women are fricken hilarious
@@ru1n_singzzzie13 Aren't Dreamcatcher technically 3rd gen? And yeah they're funny af 😂
@@lbell9695 well they debuted in 2017 so maybe a mix of 3rd and 4th gen lol
22:24 There is one certain Ktuber who needs to hear this. She constantly shits on Wendy for being racist however, she simply had taken it too far and it is NOT okay. She calls Wendy, Wendell. She played a clip of Wendy flawlessly singing her highnote in the RBB bridge and was like, “Yeah, this sounds good” and them plays a second clip of her just being out of breath and struggling a bit and was like, “But this is even better!” She made a video of 2021’s worst comebacks/debuts and she put “Like Water” and literally commented and I quote, “GET OFF THE STAGE . . . OH WAIT” and then proceeded to defend herself by pulling the, “She was racist so it’s okay for me to make fun of an extremely traumatic accident that could have killed her” card. And the worst part is, she said that Wendy stans were not allowed to defend Wendy because she has problematic things and the Ktuber will just block them. Like what the actual fuck. I agree, Wendy has done some very ignorant and racist things in the past but you don’t get to make fun of her talents, her traumatic experiences, and then say that she can’t be defended because of it. Like grow up. Anyways, if you can guess who this Ktuber is, then, have a 🍪
OH, THAT ONE KTUBER 😭 she can be so toxic and mean, I don't know why people always defend her :/
@@dalsogirlz They are always like, “It’s just a joke” but like it’s not funny
ajanaevis?
@@wagawagane857 Here’s you go: 🍪
@@wagawagane857 OMG i used to Stan her....man i thought her behavior was a bit weird but didn't saw any of Wendy content
1. I became Kpop fan since 2002 after watching BoA’s Valenti, and I can guarantee you, the “Kpop has reached its peak” conversations have been going on and on since after 2010 aka what people usually claim as the Golden era of Kpop. I simply think Kpop has been turning to different directions than how it was introduced to us OG kpop stans, but just because us old folks think the new Kpop sounds don’t exactly match our taste, does not mean we could simply use nostalgia as an excuse to discredit the newer Kpop artists’ contributions.
2. Doing the good deeds are the BARE MINIMUM for a decent human being. I don’t care what good things you have done, if you’re being toxic and bullying to other folks, you’re doing it wrong. You cannot simply use 100 other good things you have done to excuse your wrongdoings. And this is not just applicable to Kpop.
3. Everyone in Kpop has contributing one way or another to expand the Kpop territory. I believe the right word to use right here would be “pioneering”. BoA has pioneered the Hallyu wave to Japan and was one of the first Kpop artists to attempt bringing the Kpop sound to the West, along with Wonder Girls, then Psy became the first Kpop artist to go viral on RUclips, SNSD got the RUclips awards for I Got A Boy music video, and then we have BTS and BlackPink. This is a collective effort of the entire Kpop showbiz
4. The opposite of love is not hate, apathy is. If someone has done something to you, withdraw your love and support you once had for them, now that’s the revenge you’ve been dreaming of. Yup once again, this is not only applicable to Kpop.
5. While i agree with you on this, i still think some of the girlgroups in gen 4 have shown considerable growths. Everglow has constantly been trying out new sounds and majority of them are successful, definitely a growth from their debut track. Same thing with IZ*ONE. They have matured their sounds so much in their short timespan, it’s such an unfortunate to see a grilgroup with so much potentials being disbanded too soon. Aespa i believe have been developing their concept and say what you wanna say about Savage, the song has been going to many new directions and expanded aespa’s soundscape to many new horizons. Gen 4 has just started not so long ago, give them some time to develop and mature, no need to be so hasty.
6. I have nothing to say about this. These people are sick. Seek help.
7. Same as number 6. Sike
8. Stop stanning capitalism. These companies are doing everything they do for profits and profits ONLY.
I love point 4
Unrelated, but you've been a K-pop Stan long before I was even born. A true OG 😫🌚
I love point 8 😂😂😂
I mean 6 and 7 are hella creepy 😫
Well capitalist aren't really bad tho
4:59 you guys know who actually paved the way? Their government. Seriously, if you read the history about korean pop medias, you'll know that they can thrive because of the goverment's support since culture can be utilized as a soft power. (Simply speaking, soft power is a country's power to reach their goal and ensure the country's place in international sphere without coercion). Due to being sandwiched between Japan and China, back to the beginning of post-independence era, Korean government started to search for a way to keep thriving, especially because Japanese medias (like anime and manga) started dominating their market back then. Therefore the government funded the media and cultural studies so they could have a bunch of experts who understand how the country can benefit from this soft power. THAT'S what makes Kpop expand, the strategy behind them is what keeps pushing Kpop forward. Honestly, any group and entertainment company, no matter how great and impactful they are, are given too much credits when you already know the roots of how Kpop can be as big as today
The government and Koreans who worked harder to make the economy stronger
I remember the height of the “Mia and friends” Everglow drama. That was when I was trying really hard to pick a bias, and it was hard cause I loved all of the girls so much, haha. I was so upset that people were so angry AT MIA for the line distribution and the fact that she got the dance break in Dun Dun and I was like “wtf?” It’s delusional at this point to think that most idols have any say in their music and unless told otherwise, we should always assume the company decides everything, in my opinion
Lol this almost happens to all GG like ive Aespa bp u name it
And if you truly care that much about the idols that don't get as much attention, per say, WHY WOULD YOU HATE ON THE ONE THAT DOES GET THE ATTENTION? Like if the tables were switched, and your fav member of the grp had more attention, you'd still be pissed. Stop trying to find a problem in everything smh appreciate the idols and move on.
yeah, is not her fault and probably the other girls like her and have not problem with the line distribution because they NOW that was intentional and need it.
Mia had a dance break in dun dun because she is the dancer in the group, just like momo had a dance break in likey, because she is the dancer of the group. You can't tell me it is not fair now....
100% agreed being a forever the exhaustion of just defending Mia bc of a line distribution and her iconic dance break
Off topic, but everglow-up always makes the best logical points! Thank you for making video's
Thats true 👍
About ÆSPA having no Stage presence: I think they have stage presence, just not the types that are considered "strong" and "good" for their songs. They have girl crush songs but a very subtle and soft stage presence in my opinion. It just lacks the power they need for the type of songs they are doing. When you listen to a song called "Savage" you need to feel the power, savageness with your body when you see the artist performing. ÆSPA doesn't have that. You feel it more with Johnny's vocal cover and he isn't even dancing. The one thing that makes BLACKPINK great stages so great is that their very stage presence screams "GIRL CRUSH". ÆSPA's doesn't, so in conclusion:
SM, please stop giving Æspa Girl Crush concept songs and start giving them songs that suit them!
Also, I fully agree with Jessi. Watching her in reality shows is unconfortable as heck for me, sometimes I think I could die from cringing.
Yeah, I think she (everglow-up) said it in one of her short or the stage presence ranking, two or three out of four member thrive in more soft/ballad like concepts like the christmas song and dreams come true cover but but SM is set to sell the girl crush/robotic concept because that is what's selling the most even if it doesn't show all the potential of their group
@@grachi0matilda And business-wise it seems to be the right choice. Artistically tho, it is an utter disaster. Not in terms of the musical art, but the performing art.
@@nick3805 I mean, business-wise it was a great idea, the concept was definitely something new and their talent has put them where they are now but it opens the door to this much criticism yet they're pretty much thriving
I think that aespa could do chique concept very well
@@susanamendonca1949 Probably.
im so glad you brought up the queerbaiting one. yall dont like it when idols do blaccent or mock black people or other pocs, but when an idol acts queer (even though they have NEVER confirmed what their sexuality is) yall eat that up 😐😐. shouldn't that be just as wrong? i get it, yall want representation, but yall are looking for representation from the wrong people. if you wanna support queer idols, support those who've said they're ACTUALLY part of the lgbtq+ community (idols like holland, jiae, maman, and so many more)
That's a horrible comparison. Ethnicity is something plain as day, so when a Korean person puts on a fake blaccent or does blackface, there is never any doubt that that's racist.
If an idol "acts gay" on the other hand, there's literally no telling if that's they're actually gay or even just gender non-conforming, or if they're putting on an act. Then you add on the cultural differences that make you perceive same sex intimacy as inherently gay whereas a Korean person would just see two close friends being affectionate with each other.
Do you sincerely believe that among HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of idols, every single one of them is straight? That whole "don't assume sexuality" mantra should apply both ways - don't assume everyone is straight either until proven otherwise.
where in my original comment did i say that i think every idol is straight until they say otherwise? i know that assuming someone's sexuality, straight or not, is wrong. im just saying it's hypocritical of people to say that they dont like people mocking something they're not a part of, yet completely eat it up when an idol acts a certain way. admit it or not, queerbaiting is a tactic that several companies have used for years to gather fans because yall eat that up. and even if the idol isn't straight, these companies might be forcing their idols to be much more "affectionate" to their literal *friends* and that might make them uncomfortable because they might not see each other that way. this is harmful to the lgbtq+ community because people are looking at "representation" of people who are most likely just forced to do that
@@imroxxxyandrewsandimhereto6091 "it's hypocritical of people to say that they dont like people mocking something they're not a part of, yet completely eat it up when an idol acts a certain way" NO IT'S NOT. It's not even remotely the same, which was my whole point, yet you keep doubling down on this dumbass comparison.
The fact is, none of us know if any given idol actually is queer or not, while it will ALWAYS be clear as day if they're using another culture as a means to an end, because we can tell straight off the bat that they have no belonging to that group.
I don't see how you can judge idols like for example Jo Kwon or Key for "acting" gay, when they're just being their true authentic selves. And for what? Because they're not OFFICIALLY out of the closet???? That means nothing in Korea.
Yoo Ah In Isn't officially out of the closet either, yet every Korean and their mother knows he frequents gay clubs and is quite openly gay. It's just a matter of "don't ask, don't tell".
you're not getting my point. i completely know that an idol doesn't have to come out of the closet to the public if they don't want to. it's their own choice anyways and if they're not comfortable with coming out then that's 100% ok. what im trying to say is that *you cannot deny* that queerbaiting is a tactic that companies force onto several times to their artists just to gather fans because they eat that up everytime they do it. that's my point. like what the video said, queerbaiting in kpop keeps going on happening because fans enable it. that's what im trying to say
@@imroxxxyandrewsandimhereto6091 That's not at all what you said though.
Yes, queerbaiting is, has always been and will always be a major marketing strategy, but that's not at all comparable to cosplaying a different race. I don't think it's at all fair to judge idols for "acting gay" when that could very well just be their natural personality. Hell, even if they're faking, they're still just doing their job, unlike idols who go out of their way to be racist.
It's like you tried to be so woke, you somehow did a full circle and ended up perpetuating homophobic, puritanical ideas.
Also please understand that being closeted in this context has nothing to do with "being comfortable". The examples I brought up are plenty comfortable with being publicly gay, they just don't have the LUXURY of explicitly saying they are.
Literally, im so sick of the ‘4th gen is just noise music, no vocals’ Then go listen stuff you like, no one is forcing you to listen to stuff you dont like. End of talk. Why are we still fighting over this?
AND NOTE THIS
*WRITING LYRICS ISN'T THE ONLY STEP OF PRODUCING MUSIC:)*
*There's a ton of 4th gen fandoms who claimed their fave as "self-produce group/ idol" while they only write lyrics lmao.* The fact just few of them. Pfft
Lemme get this straight, *just because your fave writing lyrics doesn't automatically make them as "self-produce".*
There are writing lyrics, writing song, composing, arranging, mixing etc:)
Also
*WRITE SONG ISN'T THE SAME AS WRITING LYRICS:)*
yes finally somone says that
what is the difference between write song and writing lyrics?
I think why the "kpop has peaked" argument is being thrown around is because in 2020 and 2021, a deluge of fans entered the fandom (especially from tiktok and twitter), and that's when it became overwhelmed (like you said, supersaturated). There's a difference between fandom burnout and actual musical quality decreasing, and what is happening is that artists and producers are struggling to impress the general public as there are 100 million kpop fans, and therefore 100 million different opinions nowadays. Due to how kpop is marketed to the world (with idols basically being your virtual girlfriend/boyfriend), a lot of those 100 million people are also extremely passionate about kpop, but that extreme passion is also harmful, because with that passion people end up overconsuming kpop, which makes them greedy for more kpop. If their greed isn't satisfied, they become furious, and start saying things like "kpop is gonna flop" and "blank year kpop sucks." With the pandemic, more people have more time on their hands, which gives them more opportunities to overconsume kpop. I'm not blaming anyone for the kpop fandom's burnout, but I think the best we can do is distance ourselves from kpop once in a while. People desperately need to find a life outside of kpop, because someone's love for kpop is like a flame, and that flame can go out. But to light that flame again, some time must pass by, and during that time, go work on your homework (or work), take a walk,, take care of yourselves. And if you don't want to light that flame again, that is your choice and people should respect it. Everyone deserves some kpop to brighten their day, but nobody should be listening to kpop during all hours of the day. Kpop should not be your top priority in life
i literally don't see how listening to kpop all day is an issue??? "nobody should be listening to kpop during all hours of the day." if someone wants to do that then let them, why does the matter so much??
@@silenesz too much of something is never good, and this turns into an obsession
half of these problems would be solved if everyone went to therapy and lived 5 seconds outside of internet and kpop
like real life humans have to get into a college, graduate, work, have a social life, etc; and people are bitching about the smallest things that won't make a difference at all (like if bts paved or not, who cares)
slayed as always queen
Your opinion about fans being obsessed with idols suffering seriously gave me war flashbacks to when I saw a bunch of blinks try to convince mixers (Little Mix fandom) in an argument that Jennie is depressed and suicidal bc she "looks at the ground a lot and suicidal people do that a lot as well" to try and stop mixer from coming for her vocals?? The secondhand embarrassment I got is insane.
I’m ready for your brutal opinions sis! Bring it on! Your first brutally offensive Kpop opinions was the reason I subscribed right away to your channel cuz deadass everything you said got me sayin periYASSSBEECH
Personally, I think BoA paved the way for idols promoting in Japan. I mean, she's literally accredited to bringing the two countries's music markets together.
I would ad TVXQ as well
24:55 in one of the most trusted sources of Kpop information page from my country, there is a confession from a trainer who helps training Kpop idols and trainees. He confessed that his pupils said that companies know that fans like shipping the members. Therefore the companies tend to create an image of how compatible the fans' ships is, like the companies will told the shipped idols to spend time together, show skinship whenever there's a camera around them, anything to feed the fans' fantasy. And most of these idols are not comfortable with it. So don't always believe what we see on the screen where idols look so intimate to each other. It's highly probable it's staged up to ensure fans' loyalty
No wonder a lot of idols probably don’t support lgbt cuz they’re forced to act like it for weird fans
@@brennathecatlover4360 I agree. It's okay to ship as friends, but I'm seeing a lot who's literally shipping idols as lovers. They are too much.
@@ygpml I would probably resent anything lgbt if I was forced to act like it too for the wacko fans tbh lol
Yeah it’s a legit fan service at its worst in my opinion.
I think its so rude to assume an idol's sexuality. I know we all want to feel more connected to our bias but let them tell us who they are. You don't want someone labeling you so what makes you think you should do that to an idol?
I agree with EVERYTHING!! And yes finally someone talking about the favouritism topic in a logical way! I also don't like it, but it's pretty obvious why that happens, you just have to look at it from a business pov.
what you said about survival shows is just facts. like people be complaining about the manipulation and editing and how it causes drama but keep watching it and believing all the evil edits despite knowing what it is. like the moment y'all stop watching survival shows and putting money in mnet's filled pockets is when we'll actually see some good changes.
Remember when there was a time people said Red Velvet had no stage presence or chemistry as a group and called them mere coworkers??? Like Joy wasn’t crying about Wendy in that fan sign for nothing!! The girls love each other!!! Or at least from what I’ve seen in what they show us and how they talk about each other.
they love each other but they don't give F about fanservice that's why i like them
Kpop artists do NOT have to be relatable to you for you to like them. It feels like some Kpop fans want to trauma bond with their favs. Like in order to be humanized they have to be traumatized. It’s a little unsettling.
1. The same thing happened again with CA in the case of that one Street Woman Fighter dancer that Jungkook follows Nain I think. People were quick to ran to her comments and scream at her, like she would actually listen. And surprise surprise! She started blocking everyone and never apologized, why? Because CA is overlooked in Korea. They won't see you as rightfully offended person but a b*tthurt foreigner complaining. It is extremly sad but that's how the majority views it.
2. The Jessie thing, there´s many compilations of people saying "Ameican Queen" "showing to conservative koreans how it´s done in the west", and it is just weird. I think koreans do like her and that´s her humour, but passing it on as "culture shock" knwing that Jessie has lived in Korea for more than 10 years... it´s just odd.
3. Kpop stans need to realize that bullying or making fun of someone after they have done something wrong, doen´t make you a justice warrior, it makes yoy a bully and not better than what the kpop idol have done. When Giselle said the N word, many stans came to make fun of her looks, and talent, and making horrible things and justify it as : "well she is a racist". Saying those thing is going lower. It makes it as worse as Giselle saying the word, because you are saying it with a malicious intent while she said that word carelessly
4. Stating opinions in a respectful manner doen´t need to come with hate. Even though I don't agree with some of your statements I understand where it comes from. ILY girl, keep posting more of these because it opens important conversations
sorry, what is CA?
@@TheNart1234 Cultural Appropriation
What?? The CA in street woman fighter u preferring to which opinion?
@@gidol1469 I am responding to the “idols apologizing” to foreign fans. The las CA scandal involved Nain from Street woman fighter. We wore braids and the western audience got angry, rightfully so. But she started blocking and limiting her comment section, she never apologized.
Ca is barely taught in America either and obviously if Koreans see someone wearing braids/ saying the n word in the media so casually they’re obviously not gonna see an issue same with blackface they probably don’t think it’s bad either
The Jessi thing if the genders were reversed and it was a male idol making female idols uncomfortable they would be called out big time but because it's a female idol doing it is OK. How does that even make sense? I get historically is always been men doing it and don't even say it's feminism because it's not. Feminism is about equality for all, meaning better treatment for all, not role reversals where females are the aggressors.
This is true. I personally am not bothered by Jessi actions and would feel the same way if it was a male idol, truth is, most people would see it differently if it was a male. Sadly
17:45 op said here that skz makes amazing music. so to anyone who's claiming that op is somehow talking about skz at 14:09, then u are wrong. skz makes amazing b-sides. if u are saying that they should stop producing bad music just because u heard 1-3 of their title tracks, well u are definitely missing something.
Huh literally she said nothing about skz yet how u know if she wasn't talking about them ?? Like seriously u stays are so funny like bc u guys like their (skz)music doesn't mean in music-wise that it's good tho 🤡 yall just overhyped them like to much just chill out 😭
@@gidol1469 well we didn't watch the same video then. and you obviously didn't watch the whole video. you just went straight to my wrong timestamp (which is already corrected) and replied. and lastly, I overhyped them because I like them? is it now bad to promote and tell good things about the people I stan? if you don't agree with me, then maybe you're the one who needs to chill out.
PS: she did talk about skz having amazing music, if you have time to look for my reply, then press the new timestamp and you'll hear it. and hopefully, next time watch the whole video :D
@@gidol1469"Stays" Nah girl lmao who hurts you ?
When you said, “Company Stans” it made me giggle. It’s giving me flash backs to my 2 gen days 😂. They are usually the second or third stage of being a Kpop Stan that mainly only like the groups coming out of that company. It’s a phrase I hoped company stans move on from eventually.
Ktube shorts are so bad rn. The amount of shorts that I’ve seen talking about idols bodies ie. Idols who are really skinny in real life and etc. and it’s like what does this have to do with kpop!!?? Like the subject of body image, beauty standards, diet culture and ed is already so bad and these shorts are not helping. And to make matters worse the comments just shows how shallow some people can be and entitlement feel like we have on idols bodies by saying things like - x idol should eat more, they should lose weight , omg they so skinny and what now. Like can these comment don’t help at all.
Thank you for listening to my rant ✌🏾
plus, the "not all armys/blinks/literally-any-other-fandom" is VERY hypocritical since those people probably say stuff like "oh my looord korean fans are so annoying and conservative i hate them", literally generalizing an entire country. don't even try to deny it, we've all seen it
tho korean fans are the ones supplying them with 90% of all fancams, concert videos and fansign pictures 💀
The way you can say everything I want to say but with so much more eloquence i- **takes notes for english class**
YES! To the company stan thing! Like its soooo weird, like why are we simping over massive corperations again?? Like guys, stanning the Big 3 isn't that different to stanning Disney :/
18:08 fr tho, I've seen so many idols get hate for being born in rich families, like do you want them to have a miserable childhood or something- 😭
just a thought but i've never understood the "bts paved the way" argument as paving the way means to make a certain thing easier for people that come after "you". Like you said, bts paved the way for themselves and did not help the breakthrough of other kpop groups in the us market, on the other hand they made it even more difficult with their unsurpassed success ( i'm not attacking the group, they obv have no fault in this and deserve their hard-earned success): the constant bts comparisons and the "no other group can top them" mentality of armys are two big hindrances to the western (let's be real we are just talking about america) success of other groups. I do agree that they had an impact in the kpop industry and they were the only ones to successfully break into the us market but to state that they paved the way for kpop in the west is just not true, this is why it will be better to say that they helped popularize kpop in America (yes HELPED because let's not act like kpop hasn't always been there, hasn't always been on the western radar). Paving the way is a team effort and all major groups (tvxq, suju, exo, bb, shinee, wonder girls, snsd, 2ne1, psy and many more), and yes even the major companies, had a hand in shaping what kpop is today and why it is so popular in the west.
"Dont skip your meals" is also a very insensitive way of addressing the issue. Like even if you're saying this out of concern for the idol, that is not at all how you do put it. When addressing things like that you gotta be smart and mindful with your words and telling people to stop missing meals is not the way you express your concern for someone.
Also on the 'forcing diets' thing like I remember when one girl group was talking about having to use another idols food card to get food like do people really think they control there own money for things. Like why would they use 'gifts' from fans if they had REAL control over there money
I’m so glad you mentioned the queerbaiting. It makes me so uncomfortable and it could potentially put an idol in danger.
Omg yes, I really hate it when people act like there are no good vocalists in 4th gen when there are so many of them, these people just need to check out more than just three groups. Also yesss, Oneus and Purple Kiss had amazing debuts! Other 4th gen debut I thought were fantastic are GWSN and Drippin.
If you get into K-Pop expecting a group of 5 Mariah Careys or Michael Jacksons, you're going to be disappointed.
Not saying that most idols can't "sing", most are passable and decent but there are a few diamonds in there for sure. So to say K-Pop idols can't sing in general is a very ignorant statement.
K-Pop is a more performance focused industry imo.
There are a few groups out there that I like that I wouldn't say have outstanding vocalists but they're great performers so it really helps cover up their weaknesses
man the vocal thing just isnt something i cant fully agree with. they dont LACK vocals but none just ever actually sing live at all. theyre just glorified dancers. even rappers wont say their lines. people saying 1 word still wont sing live. even BAP sang almost everything live even with their tiring ass dances. they can at least TRY from time to time. lip-synching every damn performance and even in concerts is just baffling. singing at your own event can't even be done no more.
That's just not true at all. Stayc sings live all the time, g-idle also mostly sing live, and basically every other 4th gen group has proved their vocal prowess at least a couple of times.
TWICE is a 7 year old group, but with the exception of Jihyo they literally never sing live. Hell, ITZY sings live more often than them despite having notably weaker singers.
It's not a generational thing, it's just a combination of company policy and you having rose colored glasses.
@@stoneheart8231 i never said all man. you named three groups form the 4th gen out of how many? at least 3rd gen groups and before would sing live for their own concerts or special events but even those are faked nowadays. and i never said every other gen didn’t have people who wouldn’t sing live either. it’s not hard to admit that it’s the norm to not sing live now isn’t it? groups would be bashed to hell and back not even 10 years ago and would ruin their reputation since singing bad >> lip synching. now who really gets shat on for not singing live? practically no one. i’d say stayc are well n above most groups even those from the biggest companies. got mad respect for those girls.
18:08 I remember getting so mad when there was a BP fanpage from my country who implied Jisoo's family as toxic just because her mother accidentally threw away her photo album when she was cleaning. Sure, that sucks. But incident happens everyday. I accidentally broke my mother's favorite vase. That doesn't mean I have any ill intention towards her, it just means I'm reckless and clumsy. Even Jisoo fanpages were disappointed in that big BP fanpage because it led other blinks to throw accusation and hate on her family and going as far as claiming "Jisoo now got her revenge as a left-out child by becoming more successful than her siblings." Sigh, so dramatic. But considering people in my country are constantly fed with family drama soap operas, no wonder they like this narrative
Lmao please did it really happened like Adfghjujkm😭😭😭
@@shrijal4425 yes it did! Their eagerness to create a pity story out of nothing threw me off guard 😭
Making men uncomfortable ain't great lol
If man makes women uncomfortable u all would shit on this man
But whenever famale does same u all are ok with that and thinks it's funny
Yet u all are fighting for double standarts
But we don’t know if they’re actually uncomfortable it’s not like we can rad minds. They’re young adults I’m sure they say sexual things off camera all the time but are most likely shocked to hear someone do it on camera
can’t believe people still argue over who paved the way in 2022 😭
I've said before how there have been so many terrible [mainly bullying] but proven FALSE allegations against idols because one or a few people felt so envious of them or hated them so much that they were willing to DESTROY an idols reputation and career just to get them out, and when the accusers get caught lying or claims were unproven, they pull out a half-assed apology and the now ex-idol continues to suffer from it because they now have a bad image attached to them and no company wants to rehire them because of the drama, just because Jimin ex-AOA was proven innocent and coming back into the industry she's still struggling because there's people who still choose to believe Mina despite her being proven wrong and proven that she's just out to attack
Blinks are the only fandom I have heard use the "Quality over Quantity" argument religiously as if we're going to believe that out of the countless of Kpop songs released during BP's hiatus between CBs that stuff like
Stay in your own lane 'cause I'm 'bout to swerve
Catch me when you hear my Lamborghini
Go, vroom-vroom-vroom-vroom
Whip it, whip it, whip it, whip it
Whip it, whip it, whip it, whip it
is absolute God tier that took years of thought and effort, and other groups and idols are just mid in comparison
18:13 If an idol is doing good and actually confident in themselves, kpop fans will bash them. See you it a lot with idols who proudly talk about how happy they are with things they accomplished. They quickly get called things like cocky and overconfident by kpop fans. I notice that a lot with bts and Yeonjun. I'm sure there's other examples I don't know about.
Kpop fans want their idols to struggle hard in order to compare their favs struggles with other idols struggles
Oh I have noticed in western artists too when an artist posts about how happy they are about their accomplishments. They are called desperate sadly
@@Taylorc0de It's really sad, artists should be allowed to flex their achievements
As a moa yes txt are very vocal about their confidence and insecurities but suddenly when they do it, self-love and confidence become arrogance lol it's so funny
@@user-oz7qh5wk5l non-moas cant think straight when it comes to their opinions about txt
THANK YOU for the aespa stage presence comment. i never, ever noticed an issue with their stage presence and then all of a sudden it becomes the popular opinion that they have no stage presence. i can't wait for that video. i always thought that mass mentality thing was stupid.
my only question that no one answered: why is SM Ent. making their idols lip sync. Like even SHINee who's known for singing live was lip syncing in their latest comeback? And SuJu is the only one who didn't lipsync because they are they're own label.
the favoritism one is so true and I've been saying this for the longest time
I agree with most of your opinions, some of them like Blackpink and Itzy ones actually hurt me but I cannot refute them. In my (unpopular) opinion, I don't think stage presence is objective or subjective, just plain overrated.
I agree with you on stage presence
To the Mia thing in La Di Da era she did talk about it in the docu series the girls did before First. She said she was holding herself back or questioning it she was being a burden with the things she did on stage because people were talking about her. Also Somi is one of those idols that people either love or hate even if they never listen to her music.
18:13 Last autumn Momo stans trended a hashtag that K-Pop needed to apologize to her, because she turned and faced away from the camera for a few moments for a comeback encore. According to her fans this was because she was traumatized from the More & More bad singing encore. This was over a year later and not their first comeback since M&M. It was like they were desperately waiting for a moment that would fit with their narrative of Momo being permanently emotionally damaged because of that "scandal". She probably turned away to yawn or sneeze. I can't stand misery-porn fans, they're so depressing.
that queerbaiting topic-- especially in ggs, i feel like they're being treated as just a group of lesbians by fans (ik most of it is just jokingly tho) rather than actual artists trying to do their job and it honestly pisses me off,, do people not get that making jokes about it can make people uncomfortable and get repetitive as hell?
6:33
"sm does not do apologies we all know this"
Im dead,she's not wrong though
Sm never apologizes they never defend their idols they never act or speak out against anything they just put the idols on hiatus for like 2 years anf then act like nothing happened
I always thought nothing of company stans until I saw it with army. They have romanticized the whole Bighit is a family thing. I remember when I was on Twitter back in 2019 or 2020, and a clip from dkdktv was circulating around and people were just ripping them to shreds. I went to look at the full video. First of all the clip was taken out of context, secondly, they were criticizing Bighit's marketing choices, saying they were kinda exploitative to not only fans but also BTS, (which they were in my opinion).
Dkdktv is trash tho
YAAAS!!! MORE EGU CONTENT AND IT’S SNOWING AND I HAVE NOTHING PLANNED!!! MY DAY JUST GOT SO MUCH BETTER!!! 😭🙌👑
Moral of the story. Don't spend too much time of social media. Get some sunlight and fresh air.
actually the only channel who does "brutally honest kpop opinions" justice!
right?? i felt attacked by like 4 points here but im scared to say something hahahaha...but i love it
Yes i agree about aespa .Yes aespa arent that great performers but they arent as bad as people make them out to be
I don't think that one group can pave the way for an entire industry, but for example, I, and most people I know who from my country only know kpop because of bts, and I only got into other kpop groups because I got into bts
I think we mix up popularizing and paving the way. To me the term paving the way symbolizes normalizing something that was considered niche, such as Kpop. BTS has popularized Kpop but they have not stabilized (normalized) the genre overall in the western market- it’s still shocking when a group outside of the Big 3 and BTS chart in America, and Kpop is still not as well know as people perceive it to be. Knowing of one group does not mean that someone knows what Kpop is.
@@academycute101 “paving the way” has a literal definition though. it’s mean to make development easier. so yeah bts absolutely paved the way for kpop in the west. just like tvxq paved the way for kpop in japan.
In order to listen to vocal in the 4th gen groups, people need to stop generalizing some popular groups as they are all in 4th gen. Purple kiss are strong vocalist. ot7 can sing SING for example.
Another thing I hate is when ppl say "oh,(idols name) copied (idols name) clothes" like they do not choose what to wear, stylists do, dont blame the idols, or the stylists, ppl can wear what they want. And also ppl saying nmixx copied aespas "signature" style when that style only went for next level, and also ppl that are aespa biast like, I passed through a ktube short and like it was a ranking 4th gen maknaes and like they said ningning could rap better than yiren??? Like what
PEOPLE COMPARE BEING AN ARMY TO BEING POC???????????????? This has gone too far oh my god
No one even does that
@@crystalcastle5 basically they do
@@jvangs5231 No they don't. I know y'all hate bts fans but at least be honest with it lol
@@crystalcastle5 yes they do
I’ve never heard that? Wdym
When people judge Lia's vocals, but I swear if she was the lead vocalist in any other group that is not part of the big3, she would be praise for her vocals, some artist train to be lead dancers or lead vocalist, but end up being Main, so stop judging them is not their decision.
I don't understand like armys are acting same as EXO-LS in 2016
When exo-ls were saing "exo trendsetters" and were bitching on BTS for using school uniform concept
Now armys are hating anyone who uses retro concept and love urself concept? especially love urself concept
Cuz they think BTS made this concept
Retro concept is not even start by them. It start being relevant after Future Nostalgia, after hours and say so
@@Taylorc0de ?sunmi bringed retro concept in K-pop
Doja and dua are pop singers
But I mean BTS became pop singers too
@@Taylorc0de same goes to love concept it's not made by bts
@@Taylorc0de And retro concept was here before dua and doja
@@MarNoza
I mean yeah way before even Taylor swift did it in 2015 -14. But yeah it was again bought in 2019 20ish
31:28 yeah it's funny bc 11/12 months I was so convinced Purple Kiss's debut was the best of the year and then 'Eleven' dropped 🤡
But honestly I'm so looking forward to how both groups will evolve in the future
Conclusion : PEOPLES LOVES DRAMA.
Tbh, but not me. It's tiring to think about others. When myself is a mess that need to be productive.
Edit : In a Manhwa I read. One line that made me realize "Even a victims can lie, so you need to heard, and understand from both parts."
Edit 2 : In my entire times in kpop, I didn't even watch any survival shows, but I do know some of it because of a friends. And... if Dreamcatcher were to join Queendom 2, idk what to do...... afraid, worried and hope they get an exposure... though they will perform at Primavera in Jun.. just, I hope it work out well for every participants.
Absolutely correct.
I rmbr one of the members of ateez said their talent was moving their tongue around and jessi asked him "do u have a gf"
I mean the members took it well (they laughed at her) so *it shouldn't be an issue* but omgod if they didnt it's straight up sexual harrassment (making jokes about someone's sexual ability when you aren't close. imagine if a male idol said that to a female idol". jessi needs to learn to be more careful next time bc she can get into huge amounts of trouble! also about her making men uncomfortable do u mean about her talking about her breast implants? or is there another situation
Jessi is a problematic idol. The amount of people who go around saying "sHeS sO sAvAgE", no sweetie, she's just problmatic. She blackfishes, made a racist joke and if anyone critiques her behavior, she goes around calling them a hater. Half of her " Jokes" are either cussing or s*xual. It's okay if you like her music (which I personally don't like), but supporting a idol who is like this is wrong.
I said what I said.
• Kpop is not even a genre, it will not flop
• I remember reading that Yoongi was homeless at some point
• Vocals are not the only musical skill *cough* moomoo *cough*
• bugAboo is a bop
PS:. I literally made a overall ranking and a playlist based on your stage presence videos, they are that entertaining
I'm a moomoo and that is true that the toxic part of our fandom are annoying by always wanting good vocals for every group. But still, vocals also make the music with their voices just like rappers with their raps, so decent/good vocals and raps are a necessity in my opinion.
I mean are you a music group if you don't have vocals? Rapping is more of an option, you don't have to have a rapper in the group but you can't start a music group without vocals no matter what Industry. So I'm not going to hate on moomoo's for looking for vocal ability in a group.
@@meashafong883 StayC and Everglow don’t have amazing vocals and are still skilled
@@PdPiper-wn2nb they are good singers. They have good vocals and they are a young group. Obviously not everyone in the group is going to have the most amazing voice, but they have good vocal ability.
@@meashafong883 they got the basic skills
i totally agree with your company stan opinion. and i am a company stan myself. SM stan. but, like, i don't stan the company itself and think they need to work on a loooot of things regarding scandals and everthing. when i say i stan SM, i mean more i love most of their artists and their producers because their music is just really good. i will never defend the company itself though
I agree with ktube shorts thing. I have come across a video - idols with big bust in case if that's your insecurity. I was quite uncomfortable. First of all we don't know if those idols think that as an insecurity, so maybe these videos are making something that the idol is ok with to something insecure. Second, why? We know idols go through dieting and stuff so why are we making it worst by these videos ? It's creepy and weird ngl
I'm my own Fandom. I'm so neutral on any group I stan. I don't throw kpop on anyone
sameee
The queerbaiting part: Agree with the whole part.
I feel this whole baiting thing did kind of get tamer over the years but I remember it being wild in the second generation. Especially SM groups. I feel those times were on a whole different level.
super junior queerbaiting tho 😖😖😖
@@analuizamendes4885 how do you queerbait and still be homophobic 😪
@@geniinabottle2005 I thought siwon just liked some tweet? Cuz they doesn’t really prove anything by just liking a post
@@brennathecatlover4360 hmm i see your point but personally it did leave a bad taste in my mouth
@@geniinabottle2005 I’m not saying u couldn’t be upset but liking someone’s post at least to me isn’t really proof
I really liked this video and i agree with most of the things you said. Especially about your oppinion on Jessi. Yes Jessi isn’t afraid to say things that come to her mind and it is sometimes admirable and funny but she really doesn’t have boundaries and that is NOT ok. I see tons of videos titled “Jessi being savage”, “Jessi making male idols shocked” and those videos are basically clips of Jessi making other people uncomfortable. I just know that if she was like a western interviewer or something like that, kpop stans would have hated her from the start
But how do u exactly know they’re uncomfortable? Cuz they’re most likely gonna be shocked that she isn’t the sit down and be quiet usual idols
@@brennathecatlover4360 their body language and just the things that Jessi says/does. Yes someone technically can’t exactly tell what some other person feels or thinks, especially through the screen, but you can still read their body language and emphasize with them. Also, i would like to say that i’m not saying every video that is titled like that contain the clips that i’m talking about and i’m also not saying that Jessi always acts like this. I sometimes really find her funny and admirable but when she says stuff like “what else can that tongue do” almost out of nowhere and when the person is like curled into a ball and trying to change the conversation, she later on says “do you use that tongue on your partner” that doesn’t sit right with me. I think she should know when and where to stop. Btw, English isn’t my first language but i hope what i’m trying to say is clear
@@zera8068 it’s ok lol. I just don’t wanna assume they’re uncomfortable cuz it’s an obvious culture difference that they’re most likely shocked about
@@brennathecatlover4360 maybe, that’s your opinion. Sometimes some people can exaggerate the things she does too. I think she is a person who is comfortable and funny but doesn’t have boundaries
Agree with all but 2 I think itzy has become more interesting to me over time because maybe it's the personality or their music or their stages I look more enthusiastic to follow them than just casually look them up (I think personality/fan interaction play a huge part in kpop success)
The second opinion I disagree with is that vocal quality has definitely gone down this generation and its noticeable when there is no noticeable B tier vocalist expect nayul
i literally agree with all of these. It's like you knew what was in my mind. Nice video!
16:22 i remember that bullshit
Like what?are they not allowed to love themselves
Some fans are pressed for no reason
And can i say ive never seen a fandom attack their own group like
Armies
Blinks
Exo-ls
Once
Stays
And nctzens
omg i thought i was the only one creeped out by some k-shorts. there's some k-pop channels that are obsessed with finding sexy photos and videos of idols and its so creepy. there was a video of sana SITTING DOWN. and people were thirsting over it. it's one thing to be attracted, its another to publicly sexualize every thing they do. idc if they are legal, its creepy.
Girl, I love watching you're Kpop opinion videos, I always end up laughing, your delivery on these opinions are ON POINT. Keep up the good work :)
I been a kpop fans for 14+ years now and lemme tell I have heard it all over and over again. Every 5 years a new groups new Fandoms be saying the same thing that I heard 10 years ago, starting from " they paved the way" to " kpop peaked era " even the " Barbie of kpop " yeah same arguments 10 years ago too. Kpop repeat itself every 5-7 years
I will say this, for me Itzy's Dalla dalla was one of the best kpop debuts. Like I didn't even like itzy then because of the favouritism claims. BUT, that song made me follow their musical journey, like I even anticipated and listened(multiple times) to Icy while still being apathetic to itzy's entire being (because I still refused to like them, I was so so stupid) until wannabe came about and I finally stopped being stupid and stanned. No other girl group debut made me go through that, like the others I loved from the start like purple kiss and g idle but with Itzy, it was like their debut forced something into me, like the song told me, itzy is here and I could never ignore them no matter how I tried.
Also the queerbating stuff, I literally wrote recently in a post that I don't know nor do I call bts gay or straight because I Don't know their sexualities, and I honestly don't care then someone came to tell me, I'm homophbic that it should be homo until proved otherwise, and I was stunned because the person completely missed my comment and was aiding their queerbating.
I have to disagree if you train to be a singer then you should sing, also I am tired of people with deep voices getting rap lines when they can't rap and high notes aren't criteria for a vocalist. Let people sing and stray kids members can sing even if they are singing-oriented.