OK Viewers, let's put it to a vote, how many of you out there would love to play a video game where the plot is about an all out war that started over an argument over who finished off the milk in the fridge?
+The One True Moe "Who finished the milk without binning the empty carton?!" "I did." "Why didn't you dispose of it?" "Out of spite." "I DECLARE WAR!" *Atmospheric music*
McSupine No no no, the idea is they are both claiming that the other finished off the milk and not them and the argument got so loud and crazy that somehow the entire world got involved :-P
For those that haven't figured it out yet, Killzones 1-3 is pretty much WWII in SPACE while the events previous to it are WWI in SPACE and Shadow Fall is the Cold War. In SPACE. Granted, it's a pretty original concept compared to most of our choices of video games.
ijxijx It's more original than "generic modern military shooter", and I haven't seen another 19th-century-conflicts-recycled-in-space game, so, by definition, it's an original and unique concept.
Ch1Frequency No, I've never played this game in my life. But I'm under the impression people like Yahtzee for his crazy exaggerations, analogies, and antics. I don't really know a better word to describe that.
Ch1Frequency Its undeniable that most of his videos are filled with much more antics and rambling than actual review (which is completely fine, I find him funny, but anyone that hopes to get any in depth information about a game they want to buy should look to other outlets). I don't think trolling might be the right word but regardless I'm surprised anyone would deny the sentiment.
iKhanKing the main reason I watch Yahtzee is because he's a very good reviewer. all of those 'ramblings' are there for a reason if you listen. he's insightful and entertaining and (except with JRPG's which I love) tends to be right on the money
Yahtzee seeing Killzone's weakest link as a somewhat delightful game (butitdoesn'tjustifyforcingustobuyclunkynewconsolewithnobackwardscompatability) is more than a poor Killzone fan could hope for in the terms of critique.
I sometimes wonder if the team that does Killzone saw Yahtzee's videos and made Shadow Fall to show that they realized that their plot was insanely one-sided.
There was actually kind of a theme about that running throughout that didn't get explored much in the first game and was obfuscated in the second game (both before Yahtzee's earlier review) but putting the backstory pieces together it kind of felt like it was intentionally clouded by the perspective of being a soldier on *your* side. It could of course possibly have been bureaucratic decisions that left the Helghan story barely examined but if that's the case the writers were rebelling in small ways with ambient dialogue, lore, and directing decisions in the openings and endings. To me it felt real and subtle as a picture of jingoism turning a dark grey picture into black and white with unquestionably monstrous actions by the Helghan military and their fascist state being very clearly awful but lacking context because the ISA soldier lacks that context. Whereas this game felt like being pulled by the nose to see the same picture and having the message shouted at me in a slightly insulting shift of trust in the audience.
It sure would be great if an Ace Combat 7 were made for PS4... *But it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility!*
+Whoami691 I don't know, man. It's a pain, that's for sure. I hate all this exclusivity going around... If developers want more people to enjoy their games, making it available for every current-gen medium is a great way for players to be able to enjoy it, even if they don't own the console said game(s) is/are made for them! I don't want to buy a new console just for one game. Made that mistake with the 3DS, only to realize how dull and soulless Sticker Star was. I adored AC6, too. In terms of gameplay, I think it's the best yet.
Man you need to play ACZero before saying any AC game is the best one. All of them have a special kind of magic. Except for Assault Horizon, let's just not talk about Assault Horizon.
+Gabriel Fortunato Well said. Zero was amazing. I've never seen so many hostile aces in one game before, and it introduced the Assault Records. Man, I love those. I wish all the games had them!
That story description seemed to scream PALESTINE in some ways. "You're evil because we say you are. You can't live in your homeland any more. You can live in this specific place here but don't go looking for revenge against us or we'll kick your asses."
OfficialJab To be honest that's it, the enemies seem to be picked as enemies because of a coin toss, in which the loser would be given nazi helmets and cockney accents.
+Judson Joist UK everyman? I take offense as a Northerner... ;) I jest but I'm curious. How familiar are you with Yorkshire? Ie the ancient capital of England. Imagine all those Hollywood bad guys dropping their T's and drinking their tea. Jus' ganin round t' corner fer cup O' tee love befur I 'ake ovur 't world like.
Judson Joist Totally agree with that. It's more just a UK trope of everyone sounding like a Southerner when in fact there a surprising amount of regional dialects within Britain...and everywhere lol.
Ever read Terry Pratchett? There's an ongoing gag about how the Gods of the Discworld are locked in an eternal, millenia-spanning war with the ice giants, because one of them borrowed the other's lawnmower a few thousand years ago and they can't remember which.
Kuno Sandgreen The problem is that making a game like that now would require an original thought to fly through Guerrilla's studio on a cloud of golden sunshine. Given that Shadow Fall is a horrifying, distilled mess of everything shitty about the cancer-ridden FPS genre of today, that'll never happen again.
I never, EVER expected Yahtzee to like this game. And he had the same problems with the game that I did, which makes me oddly happy for some reason. Oh well.
I'm surprised you didn't encounter an issue I encountered. As the resident panzy I naturally chose the easiest difficulty. I couldn't get past the first level because I died way too many times for the game to be fun. Enemies could see me just from around the corner, I couldn't move anywhere without being seen, and when I did die more often than not I respawned right in front of the people who killed me. And that's not even accounting for the orange and blue HUD against a background of orange and blue.
Exactly the problem I have with Killzone series's storyline, the Helghast have been deported to a planet with harsh climates and deadly wildlife then bullied economically by the Vektans.... but they're the bad guys for some sort of reason (because Nazi hats). The story got even more ridiculous in this installment, why didn't the Vektans disarmed the Helghast army before giving them half the planet? How did so many Helghans survived that new uber weapon from the last game?
I've never really gotten into the killzone series, particularly because playing single player fps is dull in my opinion and in the case of the killzone I played to try it out playing local multiplayer resulted in us focusing each other down more than the enemies since it was more often us getting in our own way.
1:06 The planet got destroyed because the Helgast made a super weapon the got turned on themselves because they wanted to destroy earth. These games aren't that complicated the background story kind of is but in the end the games are really black and white. For some reason they think they are telling a far deeper story with a huge complicated moral lesson but that never surfaces. They shot themselves in the foot by trying to make Killzone Shadowfall more morally complex instead of just making more Nazi in space games.
Oh and Vekta belonged to the Helghast in the first place; it's where all the Higs actually lived. Helghan was just the radioactive ball of ore they were mining to pay for their freedom with. Then of course the ISA decided that the Higs weren't paying enough taxes ( _despite said Higs having bought their independence, thus allowing them to stop paying taxes_ ) and invaded Vekta, forcing the native Hig population to move to the lung cancer planet next door.
ilikebiskits I'm not comparing them to the USA? I mean, I've pointed out that the military is called the ISA and the government is called the UCA, but that's as close as I go.
That's actually incorrect. They weren't specifically colonists so much as a mega corporation that got a permit to exploit resources. As part of an agreement, they are required to send resources back because the Sol system has been, for all intents and purposes, mined dry. The Helghen company decided it didn't want to anymore and launched a surprise attack against the local ISA igniting the first Extrasolar war. They failed to destroy the ISA, however, who called up the UCA who in turn smashed the Helghen fleets and bombarded and blockaded the Helghen forces. I never understood this bizarre fascination to try and make the Helghen look like poor and misunderstood children. They were brutal then. They were brutal now. They will always be brutal. They're supposed to be a Nazi Expy. They routinely have gunned down or executed dissidents in cutscenes and intros and plan all kinds of evil activities. For God's sake, let them stay evil.
Well, at it's most basic, the timeline is somewhat similar to the story of Germany after WWI. Superpower gets defeated in war, population is humiliated, government and people are rendered poor and powerless due to heavy economic losses caused by allied forces confiscating assets and limiting industrial development. A charismatic dictator brings the population together with the promise of regaining lost power and dignity, population becomes radicalised, state becomes heavily militarised, war happens. But if you look at the timeline (killzone.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline) you can see that, once you get into the details of it, it is very different from the actual reality of WWI. You say that the Helghast have always been evil; they haven't. Helghan corp. (Hc.) won the bid to settle the alpha centauri star system, built up large colonies (so yes, colonists) on Helghan and Vekta, all whilst having to pay taxes to the UCN, partly to fund ISA bases occupying the system. (Somewhere in here Hc. becomes the governing body of Helghan and Vekta; the Helghan administration. It performs the role of a local, devolved government, under the UCN, for the colonies). The colonies got big enough that they needed their own customs force, so the Helghan militia was created to help with customs, policing and so on in the star system. This frightened the ISA because they no longer had a monopoly on military power in the system. The Ha. grew rich enough to buy the star system outright so that they wouldn't have to pay taxes, could build as many ships for their fleet as they wanted, and could charge tariffs on shipping, but they agreed to give money to the UCN to help with the upkeep of the ISA, and let the ISA keep their bases in the star system. Ha. and the colonies got really rich from tariffs and free trade, the colonies expanded and the UCN get jealous. (During this time, the UCN also really clamped down hard on the other colonies it still had control of, taking as much money as it could from tariffs and taxes to build a large invasion fleet). The UCN decides to rescind the main benefits of the AC star system purchase from the Ha., but obviously without paying the Ha. their money back. The Ha. enters negotiations with the UCN, with the wealthy population of Vekta and the owners of companies on Vekta and Helghan urging the Ha. not to back down and lose its freedom. The negotiations end with the UCN throwing a shit-fit, flat-out demanding that the Ha. comply with its demands. The Ha. secedes from the UCN declaring the AC star system independent, the UCN stops all ships from travelling to the AC system, realises that this is hurting themselves more than the Ha. and finally the UCN sends in an invasion force. The Ha. attempts to convince the ISA forces already stationed in the system to help defend the colonies, this fails and the poorly equipped Helghan militia (little more than police and customs) attempts to seize the ISA bases. The ISA forces escape to conduct guerilla warfare on Ha. vessels. The ISA invasion fleet arrives, decimates the Helghan fleet, decimates ground forces on Vekta, arrests Ha. officials and the UCN takes complete control of the planet. The UCN starts a colony to control Vekta, shipping in loyal colonists from earth and effectively making the existing population of Vekta 2nd-class-citizens (wow Irish plantations much?). Some Vektan Helghans launch a terror campaign on ISA forces and the new colonists, so the ISA governor cracks down on all Vektan Helghan (wow Nazi reprisals against occupied territories much?). Some Vektan Helghans get permission to leave to Helghan to escape the oppression, the ISA agrees, but offers no humanitarian assistance, leading to a high death toll amongst the Helghan settlers. It's only after a long time of death and suffering on Helghan that the whole Nazi thing starts to happen. So the Helghast were not always evil, the UCN have been the evil, greedy ones with a desire to maintain an iron grip on their colonies from the get-go, and the Helghast only became evil when a dictator came to power, uniting the Helghan population with the promise of righting the many wrongs carried out against them. The actions of the Helghast are far more excusable than those of the UCN and ISA, and to top it all off, the ISA's top squad of dudebro knuckleheads committed genocide on the entire Helghan population. So no, the Helghast have not always been evil, they were just colonists trying to make their way in the universe until they happened to get too wealthy for the UCN, the UCN decided that the Helghans didn't deserve freedom anymore and the UCN then tried to seize control diplomatically and then by using sanctions and embargoes and then by invading, using ships built off of taxing the other colonies into the dirt. The Helghans then became oppressed and then got taken for a ride by a dictator who exploited the populations sense of injustice at what had happened to them. This "bizarre fascination" comes from actually having read the backstory, and realising that the villains are just oppressed masses, seeking justice, and that the heroes are really the power-hungry tyrants. And it comes from the bafflement that people choose to side with said tyrants. It also comes from the fact that I think that if Sony hadn't poured money into Guerilla, turning the Killzone franchise into little more than a technology demonstrator, then the 2nd game and other sequels may have had an actual, morally-complex story, where you play as the Helghast, defending your homeworld from invasion and the player gets to see things for what they really are; your real homeworld has been stolen from you, you've been confined to a cancerous, barren, slum-world, you're ill equipped, outnumbered army has failed to take back what is yours, and now the super-wealthy, well-equipped mass of dudebros that is the ISA have come to take over and oppress your people further, thinking that they're the heroes of this tragic story. But no, instead of a story like that, you play as said dudebros, running around bro-hugging and yelling at stuff with their stupid haircuts, and blowing an impoverished world to smithereens, all whilst completely unaware of the tragedy that's going on and the fact that they're the oppressor, with the moral justification from the developers being " _Luk! Dey da Nat-zees and dey got red eyes! So dey eevil, shoot dem!_ "
The funniest part? He never once flat out says the game is shit. He did it with Knack, with Ryse, with... well, let's face it, the vast majority of games. And it's funny because Shadow Fall /is/ a very fun game, at least by launch title standards. That said... I dunno. Normally I try and justify getting a multi-hundred dollar console by defending it or getting loads of games for it and enjoying the crap out of those. But for whatever reason, I find I'm doing that far less then I ever had to with the PS3 or Xbox 360- ... well, the PS3 at least. Xbox had utterly gripped me with Halo 3 right from the get go. And the wii cost 200 bucks when I got it, and it served it's bloody purpose: Play Twilight Princess, play Smash Bros. That's it. The fact that it could double as a Game Cube whenever my nostalgia levels got too low was a damned good plus. But I digress. What I'm trying to say is I don't believe the PS4 is all the clunky. The backwards compatibility issue is being solved in the summer of this year, which is understandable given the fucking state of the business we're in, where pushing out a console in time for Christmas means trimming back some features for a later date. The Xbox One? No clue yet, don't have any space for the thing but at least my fucking PS4 doesn't take ages with updates like my PS3 did so I think it's official; the Xbox 360 became the PS4 and the PS3 became the Xbox One. And you know who gives a fuck? Not me, because I own bloody both! But if you are one of the people who do (like Yahtzee) then I feel for you. Because chances are, you'll be forced to suffer through whatever bits and problems you consider to be faults while the ones who don't sip lemonade and enjoy their beautiful baby/ies.
And the people who buy neither console at launch get to sit at their computers and laugh at all the people who fight over which console is better... that sounded quite cynical...
Pre-watching it: I've never played it or watched any other review, but I hope to god that this game surprises Yahtzee. Post-watching it: I. Fucking. KNEW IT.
It seems that its becoming a growing trend for games to have piss-poor or half-assed endings to leave room for another boring sequel no one really wants or cares for. And even if they give a good ending, gaming companies will either give an unneeded sequel set a decade into the future, give an origin story game or just reboot the entire franchise so they can make the same games all over again. Sony and Microsoft are trying to copy something Mario has made his trillions on
Tbh, my head just shortened it to 'No backwards compatibility', cause lets face it, THAT'S the real issue here, we have been buying clunky hardware for years
pokemonmanic3595 They survive on nostalgia. If they had no backwards compatibility, their customers wouldn't be able to switch back to the old Nintendo games (Zelda, Mario etc back when they were good) to forget that they just bought the new Nintendo games (Zelda, Mario etc that now are shit)
+Ravenkell8 how about this: actually play the new nintendo games for once -.- plus here's why they use backwards compatibility, THEY KNOW AT THE START OF A NEW CONSOLE'S LIFE SPAN THERE'L BE NO NEW GAMES FOR IT FOR A WHILE, and if you missed out on the previous generation games and got the new one then you can play the older ones
I honestly wasn't too impressed by this game. For me it was beautiful, solid and tight, but bland and prolonged at the end. I would probably give it 72/100%. Good, but no cigar.
And maybe after they make this series into its own channel, it should get picked up by an internet magazine, that way they can pay the guy to put these out once per week!
Welcome to the world of Killzone where the only Plot of the Story is to Kill the Helgast because they wear german military Hats and have red eyes occulars.
for anyone that doesn't know this review is from last week , on the escapist website there is the «actual» review for the week , he reviewed rust,starbound and 7 ways to die ;)
yep. just agree with this one. not bad, played it all the way through without getting too bored. haven't played it since. For me that's the benchmark... will I play it multiple times; that's the sign of a genuinely good game..
Yeah, the story tried to have some character development, but it honestly just doesn't make quite enough sense. Using the O.W.L., however, despite the control for it, is not only useful but fun, and its actual design is pretty kickass. We don't see enough Vektan guns (especially since there's at least three Helghast rifles between which I can't tell the difference), but I don't mind that much since your standard rifle is just so cool
I think your all forgetting that the vectans destroying the hellgast planet was an accident. They were trying to kill the hellgast leader on a ship that had a superweapon on board that exploded when they destroyed the ship.
i feel like zero punctuation would have more views/subs if he wasn't part of the escapist. Im not subbed so i don't get any of their content, i only ever come to this channel for him :p
considering this will be lost to the comments i sometimes just tab out and listen to your voice while falling asleep. For some reason i always wake up feeling angry...
Bahahahahaha argue over who finished the milk :) Already sounds like a better Killzone game than anything Guerrilla games could come up with at this point.
I hate how they didn't give some super weapon. Like in KZ3 there was a gun that liquified people into a bloody mist and in KZ2 there was a gun that shot electricity that locked onto people and had infinite ammo
You know what i just realised? They didn´t put backwards compatibility because they knew if they did they couldn´t shove as many remasters down out throats.
Lets agree that, in the next E3, anytime a PS4/Xbone exclusive is shown, we shout in unison "BUT IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY FORCING US TO BUY A CLUNKY NEW CONSOLE WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY"
OK Viewers, let's put it to a vote, how many of you out there would love to play a video game where the plot is about an all out war that started over an argument over who finished off the milk in the fridge?
That would be, imo, the perfect video game. Now just add in random food item wars and monsters from your dreams and we are bff's
+The One True Moe So... a bit like Postal 2?
+The One True Moe "Who finished the milk without binning the empty carton?!"
"I did."
"Why didn't you dispose of it?"
"Out of spite."
"I DECLARE WAR!"
*Atmospheric music*
McSupine
No no no, the idea is they are both claiming that the other finished off the milk and not them and the argument got so loud and crazy that somehow the entire world got involved :-P
The One True Moe No
A shark saying "Wanna buy some speakers" should be a character stereotype in all games.
I don't get it, Orman Ablo.
"We've got the only chemistry that matters: SULFUR AND POTASSIUM NITRATE, BAM!"
should be on a t-shirt
You DO need carbon. Probably better off with nitrocellulose though.
***** Are you seriously trying to convince us that gunpowder was a key invention in the understanding and manipulation of sound?
@@Fortstorm no idea what you're replying to but I like not knowing
Thats my favorite quote from Yahtzee for throwing a grenade in xcom 2 s voice pack everrr
That spirit of dead gameplay opportunities joke has to be one of Yahtzee's most underrate lines
For those that haven't figured it out yet, Killzones 1-3 is pretty much WWII in SPACE while the events previous to it are WWI in SPACE and Shadow Fall is the Cold War. In SPACE.
Granted, it's a pretty original concept compared to most of our choices of video games.
Pretty much it. Good job sir. +100 points from the internet.
òriginal nah.. there are almost more games based on world wars than there are stars in the sky.
ijxijx It's World War 2. In space!
doesnt make it that original :P
ijxijx It's more original than "generic modern military shooter", and I haven't seen another 19th-century-conflicts-recycled-in-space game, so, by definition, it's an original and unique concept.
"Who wants Kinder Surprises?"
Me, because America won't let me buy any.
Their shit, your not missing anything... Except the toy, but they downgrade over the years, they use to be epic, now. Less...
AUS Grizzly I dunno, they taste pretty good. But Cadbury Cream eggs are way better and probably more worth your time.
AUS Grizzly
What are you talking about its one of the most delicious chocolates.
David Cook But it has white creme chocolate too
When will Eurotrash learn that Kindereggs have been legal here for almost 2 years now. Go buy them on Amazon
This is a nice review, but it still doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility
This review had a surprisingly high ratio of actual review to professional trolling. Are you okay Yahtzee?
You have Critic confused with Troll.
har har har, he said a game you liked is shitty at some point, so automatically he's a troll.
Ch1Frequency
No, I've never played this game in my life. But I'm under the impression people like Yahtzee for his crazy exaggerations, analogies, and antics. I don't really know a better word to describe that.
Ch1Frequency
Its undeniable that most of his videos are filled with much more antics and rambling than actual review (which is completely fine, I find him funny, but anyone that hopes to get any in depth information about a game they want to buy should look to other outlets). I don't think trolling might be the right word but regardless I'm surprised anyone would deny the sentiment.
iKhanKing the main reason I watch Yahtzee is because he's a very good reviewer. all of those 'ramblings' are there for a reason if you listen. he's insightful and entertaining and (except with JRPG's which I love) tends to be right on the money
"But it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility"
Yahtzee seeing Killzone's weakest link as a somewhat delightful game (butitdoesn'tjustifyforcingustobuyclunkynewconsolewithnobackwardscompatability) is more than a poor Killzone fan could hope for in the terms of critique.
I sometimes wonder if the team that does Killzone saw Yahtzee's videos and made Shadow Fall to show that they realized that their plot was insanely one-sided.
There was actually kind of a theme about that running throughout that didn't get explored much in the first game and was obfuscated in the second game (both before Yahtzee's earlier review) but putting the backstory pieces together it kind of felt like it was intentionally clouded by the perspective of being a soldier on *your* side.
It could of course possibly have been bureaucratic decisions that left the Helghan story barely examined but if that's the case the writers were rebelling in small ways with ambient dialogue, lore, and directing decisions in the openings and endings.
To me it felt real and subtle as a picture of jingoism turning a dark grey picture into black and white with unquestionably monstrous actions by the Helghan military and their fascist state being very clearly awful but lacking context because the ISA soldier lacks that context. Whereas this game felt like being pulled by the nose to see the same picture and having the message shouted at me in a slightly insulting shift of trust in the audience.
BUT IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY FORCING US TO BUY A CLUNKY NEW CONSOLE WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY.. Got it ;)
I was thinking along those lines... but Playstation Now has changed my mind.
*giggles in future*
Jonathan.HDK.O'Toole how that working out for ya
I personally love infamous 2 at 10 FPS don’t know about you
It sure would be great if an Ace Combat 7 were made for PS4...
*But it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility!*
+James Reid Actually this is the only reason I'm going to get a PS4
Me too, but it was an exclusive too. Ps: I only got an X360 back then because of AC6 and Halo games
+Whoami691 I don't know, man. It's a pain, that's for sure.
I hate all this exclusivity going around... If developers want more people to enjoy their games, making it available for every current-gen medium is a great way for players to be able to enjoy it, even if they don't own the console said game(s) is/are made for them!
I don't want to buy a new console just for one game. Made that mistake with the 3DS, only to realize how dull and soulless Sticker Star was.
I adored AC6, too. In terms of gameplay, I think it's the best yet.
Man you need to play ACZero before saying any AC game is the best one. All of them have a special kind of magic. Except for Assault Horizon, let's just not talk about Assault Horizon.
+Gabriel Fortunato Well said. Zero was amazing. I've never seen so many hostile aces in one game before, and it introduced the Assault Records. Man, I love those. I wish all the games had them!
That story description seemed to scream PALESTINE in some ways.
"You're evil because we say you are. You can't live in your homeland any more. You can live in this specific place here but don't go looking for revenge against us or we'll kick your asses."
OfficialJab To be honest that's it, the enemies seem to be picked as enemies because of a coin toss, in which the loser would be given nazi helmets and cockney accents.
+OfficialJab That's Killzone for ya, been that way since day one.
+OfficialJab They gave them HALF THE PLANET!!!!!
+Judson Joist UK everyman? I take offense as a Northerner... ;)
I jest but I'm curious. How familiar are you with Yorkshire? Ie the ancient capital of England. Imagine all those Hollywood bad guys dropping their T's and drinking their tea.
Jus' ganin round t' corner fer cup O' tee love befur I 'ake ovur 't world like.
Judson Joist Totally agree with that. It's more just a UK trope of everyone sounding like a Southerner when in fact there a surprising amount of regional dialects within Britain...and everywhere lol.
I would buy a Killzone game about a war that started about an argue about who finished the milk, just for the laughs
There should be a game based around two factions who argue over who finished off the milk.
Sequel: Two factions argue on whoever finished the chocolate
The chocolate cake that is
Sequel Again: Two Factions Argue on who uses the tv
Ever read Terry Pratchett? There's an ongoing gag about how the Gods of the Discworld are locked in an eternal, millenia-spanning war with the ice giants, because one of them borrowed the other's lawnmower a few thousand years ago and they can't remember which.
***** *Stands over body* "nnnnnNOOOOOOOO!!!"
I forgot that there was a time Yahtzee didn't despise the word "sandbox"!
Why isn't there a Killzone campaign where you play as one of the Helghasts?
In the first a defected Helghast is a selectable character
Kuno Sandgreen The problem is that making a game like that now would require an original thought to fly through Guerrilla's studio on a cloud of golden sunshine. Given that Shadow Fall is a horrifying, distilled mess of everything shitty about the cancer-ridden FPS genre of today, that'll never happen again.
Enzar17
90% of todays shooters are copy pasting each other
there should be no helghasts campaign because they were Nazi hats
I fought the Nazis they were bad (much climax)
THE SPRADICK RED MOO demon thing
Sick of playing only as good guys, want to play as bad guys
Xbone and pisspoor.
I love Zero Punctuation.
I never, EVER expected Yahtzee to like this game.
And he had the same problems with the game that I did, which makes me oddly happy for some reason.
Oh well.
*pauses*
"glad you remembered that one"
I'm surprised you didn't encounter an issue I encountered.
As the resident panzy I naturally chose the easiest difficulty. I couldn't get past the first level because I died way too many times for the game to be fun. Enemies could see me just from around the corner, I couldn't move anywhere without being seen, and when I did die more often than not I respawned right in front of the people who killed me.
And that's not even accounting for the orange and blue HUD against a background of orange and blue.
Brilliantly done sir, loved every second of it as per usual :)
I couldn't let the sheer politeness of this comment get ignored any longer. Wonderful
This brighten my Wednesdays as always lol excellently done as always mister yahtzee
Exactly the problem I have with Killzone series's storyline, the Helghast have been deported to a planet with harsh climates and deadly wildlife then bullied economically by the Vektans.... but they're the bad guys for some sort of reason (because Nazi hats).
The story got even more ridiculous in this installment, why didn't the Vektans disarmed the Helghast army before giving them half the planet? How did so many Helghans survived that new uber weapon from the last game?
Thumbs up if you said: "But it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility." at 0:56. I did.
If you could zipline up then there's the conundrum that every character is Batman
I've never really gotten into the killzone series, particularly because playing single player fps is dull in my opinion and in the case of the killzone I played to try it out playing local multiplayer resulted in us focusing each other down more than the enemies since it was more often us getting in our own way.
You should try Far Cry 3
Willy Lcoyote And Metro 2033/Last Light.
***** and Bioshock and Half-life and...etc.
tomstonemale and postal2
tomstonemale Hell, even Doom, Quake and Painkiller, if we're going that route.
THEY'RE COMING RIGHT AT ME
I think this is the funniest Zero Punctuation yet.
With a dark future for triple A games, might as well make a Killzone game with a story line about fighting over a bottle of milk.
Imagine how good a Killzone game Guerilla could make now that they made something actually good with a story and themes and original gameplay
1:06 The planet got destroyed because the Helgast made a super weapon the got turned on themselves because they wanted to destroy earth. These games aren't that complicated the background story kind of is but in the end the games are really black and white. For some reason they think they are telling a far deeper story with a huge complicated moral lesson but that never surfaces. They shot themselves in the foot by trying to make Killzone Shadowfall more morally complex instead of just making more Nazi in space games.
Oh and Vekta belonged to the Helghast in the first place; it's where all the Higs actually lived.
Helghan was just the radioactive ball of ore they were mining to pay for their freedom with.
Then of course the ISA decided that the Higs weren't paying enough taxes ( _despite said Higs having bought their independence, thus allowing them to stop paying taxes_ ) and invaded Vekta, forcing the native Hig population to move to the lung cancer planet next door.
[sarcasm] Weird. I've heard loads of things about how the ISA are basically USA. I can't see any of that in this here game [/sarcasm]
ilikebiskits I'm not comparing them to the USA?
I mean, I've pointed out that the military is called the ISA and the government is called the UCA, but that's as close as I go.
Not a bear Where did I say you compared them to the USA?
That's actually incorrect.
They weren't specifically colonists so much as a mega corporation that got a permit to exploit resources. As part of an agreement, they are required to send resources back because the Sol system has been, for all intents and purposes, mined dry.
The Helghen company decided it didn't want to anymore and launched a surprise attack against the local ISA igniting the first Extrasolar war. They failed to destroy the ISA, however, who called up the UCA who in turn smashed the Helghen fleets and bombarded and blockaded the Helghen forces.
I never understood this bizarre fascination to try and make the Helghen look like poor and misunderstood children. They were brutal then. They were brutal now. They will always be brutal. They're supposed to be a Nazi Expy. They routinely have gunned down or executed dissidents in cutscenes and intros and plan all kinds of evil activities.
For God's sake, let them stay evil.
Well, at it's most basic, the timeline is somewhat similar to the story of Germany after WWI.
Superpower gets defeated in war, population is humiliated, government and people are rendered poor and powerless due to heavy economic losses caused by allied forces confiscating assets and limiting industrial development. A charismatic dictator brings the population together with the promise of regaining lost power and dignity, population becomes radicalised, state becomes heavily militarised, war happens.
But if you look at the timeline (killzone.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline) you can see that, once you get into the details of it, it is very different from the actual reality of WWI.
You say that the Helghast have always been evil; they haven't.
Helghan corp. (Hc.) won the bid to settle the alpha centauri star system, built up large colonies (so yes, colonists) on Helghan and Vekta, all whilst having to pay taxes to the UCN, partly to fund ISA bases occupying the system.
(Somewhere in here Hc. becomes the governing body of Helghan and Vekta; the Helghan administration. It performs the role of a local, devolved government, under the UCN, for the colonies).
The colonies got big enough that they needed their own customs force, so the Helghan militia was created to help with customs, policing and so on in the star system. This frightened the ISA because they no longer had a monopoly on military power in the system.
The Ha. grew rich enough to buy the star system outright so that they wouldn't have to pay taxes, could build as many ships for their fleet as they wanted, and could charge tariffs on shipping, but they agreed to give money to the UCN to help with the upkeep of the ISA, and let the ISA keep their bases in the star system.
Ha. and the colonies got really rich from tariffs and free trade, the colonies expanded and the UCN get jealous.
(During this time, the UCN also really clamped down hard on the other colonies it still had control of, taking as much money as it could from tariffs and taxes to build a large invasion fleet).
The UCN decides to rescind the main benefits of the AC star system purchase from the Ha., but obviously without paying the Ha. their money back.
The Ha. enters negotiations with the UCN, with the wealthy population of Vekta and the owners of companies on Vekta and Helghan urging the Ha. not to back down and lose its freedom.
The negotiations end with the UCN throwing a shit-fit, flat-out demanding that the Ha. comply with its demands.
The Ha. secedes from the UCN declaring the AC star system independent, the UCN stops all ships from travelling to the AC system, realises that this is hurting themselves more
than the Ha. and finally the UCN sends in an invasion force.
The Ha. attempts to convince the ISA forces already stationed in the system to help defend the colonies, this fails and the poorly equipped Helghan militia (little more than police and customs) attempts to seize the ISA bases.
The ISA forces escape to conduct guerilla warfare on Ha. vessels.
The ISA invasion fleet arrives, decimates the Helghan fleet, decimates ground forces on Vekta, arrests Ha. officials and the UCN takes complete control of the planet. The UCN starts a colony to control Vekta, shipping in loyal colonists from earth and effectively making the existing population of Vekta 2nd-class-citizens (wow Irish plantations much?).
Some Vektan Helghans launch a terror campaign on ISA forces and the new colonists, so the ISA governor cracks down on all Vektan Helghan (wow Nazi reprisals against occupied territories much?).
Some Vektan Helghans get permission to leave to Helghan to escape the oppression, the ISA agrees, but offers no humanitarian assistance, leading to a high death toll amongst the Helghan settlers.
It's only after a long time of death and suffering on Helghan that the whole Nazi thing starts to happen.
So the Helghast were not always evil, the UCN have been the evil, greedy ones with a desire to maintain an iron grip on their colonies from the get-go, and the Helghast only became evil when a dictator came to power, uniting the Helghan population with the promise of righting the many wrongs carried out against them.
The actions of the Helghast are far more excusable than those of the UCN and ISA, and to top it all off, the ISA's top squad of dudebro knuckleheads committed genocide on the entire Helghan population.
So no, the Helghast have not always been evil, they were just colonists trying to make their way in the universe until they happened to get too wealthy for the UCN, the UCN decided that the Helghans didn't deserve freedom anymore and the UCN then tried to seize control diplomatically and then by using sanctions and embargoes and then by invading, using ships built off of taxing the other colonies into the dirt.
The Helghans then became oppressed and then got taken for a ride by a dictator who exploited the populations sense of injustice at what had happened to them.
This "bizarre fascination" comes from actually having read the backstory, and realising that the villains are just oppressed masses, seeking justice, and that the heroes are really the power-hungry tyrants. And it comes from the bafflement that people choose to side with said tyrants.
It also comes from the fact that I think that if Sony hadn't poured money into Guerilla, turning the Killzone franchise into little more than a technology demonstrator, then the 2nd game and other sequels may have had an actual, morally-complex story, where you play as the Helghast, defending your homeworld from invasion and the player gets to see things for what they really are; your real homeworld has been stolen from you, you've been confined to a cancerous, barren, slum-world, you're ill equipped, outnumbered army has failed to take back what is yours, and now the super-wealthy, well-equipped mass of dudebros that is the ISA have come to take over and oppress your people further, thinking that they're the heroes of this tragic story.
But no, instead of a story like that, you play as said dudebros, running around bro-hugging and yelling at stuff with their stupid haircuts, and blowing an impoverished world to smithereens, all whilst completely unaware of the tragedy that's going on and the fact that they're the oppressor, with the moral justification from the developers being " _Luk! Dey da Nat-zees and dey got red eyes! So dey eevil, shoot dem!_ "
Yahtzee, you are a true hero.
Xbox360 4 ever
BUT IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY FORCING US TO BUY A KLUNKY NEW CONSOLE WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY.
Alas the game that figured out how to use the rectangular clitoris on the ps4 controller never came about😂
Just finished this game and agree with every word in this review! Good thing I didn't buy my PS4, but won it in a contest.
You ate my chips! THIS MEANS WAR!!!
Mint chocolate chip is my favorite flavor of ice cream, but it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility.
Seriously: Is your Intro-/Outro-Music an original or cut from a song? I really like it and would want to hear it for three or four minutes :D
It Was posted somewhere. I think it was on his 100th Episode
In case you're still interested: Ian Dorsch - Zero Punctuation Theme. It's about one minute long, though. But a masterpiece nonetheless.
thanks, dude!
Another brilliant review !
one of my new favorites!
The funniest part? He never once flat out says the game is shit. He did it with Knack, with Ryse, with... well, let's face it, the vast majority of games. And it's funny because Shadow Fall /is/ a very fun game, at least by launch title standards.
That said... I dunno. Normally I try and justify getting a multi-hundred dollar console by defending it or getting loads of games for it and enjoying the crap out of those. But for whatever reason, I find I'm doing that far less then I ever had to with the PS3 or Xbox 360- ... well, the PS3 at least. Xbox had utterly gripped me with Halo 3 right from the get go. And the wii cost 200 bucks when I got it, and it served it's bloody purpose: Play Twilight Princess, play Smash Bros. That's it. The fact that it could double as a Game Cube whenever my nostalgia levels got too low was a damned good plus.
But I digress. What I'm trying to say is I don't believe the PS4 is all the clunky. The backwards compatibility issue is being solved in the summer of this year, which is understandable given the fucking state of the business we're in, where pushing out a console in time for Christmas means trimming back some features for a later date. The Xbox One? No clue yet, don't have any space for the thing but at least my fucking PS4 doesn't take ages with updates like my PS3 did so I think it's official; the Xbox 360 became the PS4 and the PS3 became the Xbox One.
And you know who gives a fuck? Not me, because I own bloody both! But if you are one of the people who do (like Yahtzee) then I feel for you. Because chances are, you'll be forced to suffer through whatever bits and problems you consider to be faults while the ones who don't sip lemonade and enjoy their beautiful baby/ies.
And the people who buy neither console at launch get to sit at their computers and laugh at all the people who fight over which console is better... that sounded quite cynical...
Bakatyler It's not that cynical. I'm primarily a PC gamer, and I find it hilarious. :3
And so ends the console wars! G'Night Errybody!
mclovinakapascal Oh if only that were true... *le sigh* it's nice to dream, though.
Pre-watching it: I've never played it or watched any other review, but I hope to god that this game surprises Yahtzee.
Post-watching it: I. Fucking. KNEW IT.
It seems that its becoming a growing trend for games to have piss-poor or half-assed endings to leave room for another boring sequel no one really wants or cares for. And even if they give a good ending, gaming companies will either give an unneeded sequel set a decade into the future, give an origin story game or just reboot the entire franchise so they can make the same games all over again. Sony and Microsoft are trying to copy something Mario has made his trillions on
I think they were going for an analogy of Cold War Berlin and the establishment of the eastern bloc. Admirable, even if they did fuck up.
I personally hated the scripting of the whole game, there wasn't any emotion in the beginning when his dad got shot TWICE
Tbh, my head just shortened it to 'No backwards compatibility', cause lets face it, THAT'S the real issue here, we have been buying clunky hardware for years
Echo, shooting arena and zipline a la Bioshock Infinite... GOTY already?
Why is Nintendo the only console manufacturer who uses backwards compatibility?
pokemonmanic3595 Who knows?
pokemonmanic3595 They survive on nostalgia. If they had no backwards compatibility, their customers wouldn't be able to switch back to the old Nintendo games (Zelda, Mario etc back when they were good) to forget that they just bought the new Nintendo games (Zelda, Mario etc that now are shit)
pokemonmanic3595 some original xbox games work on the 360
+Ravenkell8 how about this: actually play the new nintendo games for once -.-
plus here's why they use backwards compatibility, THEY KNOW AT THE START OF A NEW CONSOLE'S LIFE SPAN THERE'L BE NO NEW GAMES FOR IT FOR A WHILE, and if you missed out on the previous generation games and got the new one then you can play the older ones
+Zyad48 NINTENDO NEEDS 3RD PARTY DEVELOPERS!!! NO SERIOUSLY, ARE THEY RETARDED!?! THE WII IS JUST A FAMILY CONSOLE NOW.
Would it kill them to jsut call this shadow fall (Insert number in series here)?
hey Ben i know you dont like anime ish games but i know of one that is unforgivenly cruel called Long Live The Queen you might enjoy it....or hate it
I honestly wasn't too impressed by this game. For me it was beautiful, solid and tight, but bland and prolonged at the end.
I would probably give it 72/100%. Good, but no cigar.
to answer that last question. YES!
Please make this into a channel!
It started out as a channel...
You're in luck as there are approximately 400 more videos where this came from...
And maybe after they make this series into its own channel, it should get picked up by an internet magazine, that way they can pay the guy to put these out once per week!
Nine years later they finally did-it’s called Second Wind
Welcome to the world of Killzone where the only Plot of the Story is to Kill the Helgast because they wear german military Hats and have red eyes occulars.
I liked this review. But it doesn't justify forcing me to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility. (That's why I have the Wii U.)
for anyone that doesn't know this review is from last week , on the escapist website there is the «actual» review for the week , he reviewed rust,starbound and 7 ways to die ;)
i want to play as a helgast
A lot of people want to play as the Helghast. Especially me.
The helgast blew up their own planet with a weapon they were planning to blow up earth with.
I bloody love this game, and Yahtzee you do a great job ripping the piss out of these games
Mmm, Calzone Shadowfall
gaylo fanboy detected
i so see a war starting like that" WHO THE FUCK DRANK ALL THE MILK!?!"
HOW DARE YOU DRINK THE LAST OF THE MILK!!!
yep. just agree with this one. not bad, played it all the way through without getting too bored. haven't played it since. For me that's the benchmark... will I play it multiple times; that's the sign of a genuinely good game..
My name is Ben, I am Australian, and I love hats... Yay, I am yahtzee
Didn't watch anything but the first 34 seconds. Liked instantly.
I died when he "peters out like a fart in a suana." XD
121 Views, 11 likes club
AM I SPECIAL NOW
Yeah, the story tried to have some character development, but it honestly just doesn't make quite enough sense. Using the O.W.L., however, despite the control for it, is not only useful but fun, and its actual design is pretty kickass. We don't see enough Vektan guns (especially since there's at least three Helghast rifles between which I can't tell the difference), but I don't mind that much since your standard rifle is just so cool
All of these are hilarious in their own way xD
4:02 Black wine
4:05 Red wine
Racism? You decide.
I think your all forgetting that the vectans destroying the hellgast planet was an accident. They were trying to kill the hellgast leader on a ship that had a superweapon on board that exploded when they destroyed the ship.
"argue over who finished off the milk?" I would totally play that game.... If it was at least 90% off on steam
When someone brings up the lack of backwards compatibility I mentally append the onomatopoeia: "Waa waa".
Why is Yahtzee watching me from behind my couch for a second at the beginning? T.T
they should make the next game where you play as a member of an inter planetary Police force that takes down the leaders of the Vectan Army
Is there a sound barrier for word speed? I felt like it was broken once or twice there.
i feel like zero punctuation would have more views/subs if he wasn't part of the escapist. Im not subbed so i don't get any of their content, i only ever come to this channel for him :p
Oh yahtzee . You handsome devil ~
REVIEW THE NEW SHADOW WARRIOR ALREADY !!
What about Xcom: Enemy Within. I am still waiting for it.
The Zipline thing actually does happen in can of duty black ops. In the second level... yeah thats the only call of duty i own
I think this was probably my favorite episode so far... but it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatability
WHERE DOES MY DOG SLEEP!!???!!!
the fuck? youtube! do we need a talk about boundaries?
and yes google im looking at you
They really ruined the story and the appeal after the first game, but managed to improve ever so slightly on some game elements.
first game was the best though
considering this will be lost to the comments i sometimes just tab out and listen to your voice while falling asleep. For some reason i always wake up feeling angry...
1:27 Maybe Earth's leader has dementia?
Review Octodad: Dadliest Catch!
0:12 very informative instructions :-):-):-)
18/2/2020
Does it reflect bad on me I want the Helgast to win and get it over with?
In the sequel you shoot robot dinosaurs with a bow
I will now say that in my head whenever I hear anyone speak anything remotely positive about just about anything.
What's the intro music/outro?
Bahahahahaha argue over who finished the milk :) Already sounds like a better Killzone game than anything Guerrilla games could come up with at this point.
BUT IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY
FORCING US TO BUY A
CLUNKY NEW CONSOLE
WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY
I hate how they didn't give some super weapon. Like in KZ3 there was a gun that liquified people into a bloody mist and in KZ2 there was a gun that shot electricity that locked onto people and had infinite ammo
You know what i just realised?
They didn´t put backwards compatibility because they knew if they did they couldn´t shove as many remasters down out throats.
that but is going to haunt the xbone and ps4 for years in my opinion, the backwards compatibility would have helped
Do I spot fallout three sniper rifle and scopeless revolver? I doooo.
Nice job with that.
I concur good sir. I wish more character development occured. Although it was very pretty.
Nice.
Damn game is just another Modern Military Shooter with bad plot. Killzone 1 was actually good and had no "aim down sights" crap or anything..
Killzone 2 and 3 had decent plots(well... characters and acting, more like)
Killzone Shadow Fall is definitely the weaker Killzone.
Lets agree that, in the next E3, anytime a PS4/Xbone exclusive is shown, we shout in unison "BUT IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY FORCING US TO BUY A CLUNKY NEW CONSOLE WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY"
Yeah well now the Xbone is getting backwards compatibility...
halo reach and wars.
Yahtzee seems to really like Fallouts weapons. Some sort of secret love perhaps?