Look I'm not an automobile enthusiast but I happen to stumble upon this channel and now completely hooked! More than the vehicles, I love the storytelling. Keep at it. Awesome content.
We went ahead and booked the zeta plus variant. It seemed perfect for our use case. We would get the car within 6 eeeks. We would get the same transmission, engine, chassis, and safety as that of the hycross. We're going to be chauffer driven, so ADAS isn't a miss for us. At 28.5 on road price. Our cars last us 10-12 years easily, i think we'll get decent value if we were to sell it. Minor things can be added over the course of the vehicle's life. To my eye, this is the same BMW 310RR vs. 😮TVS Apache RR310 debate. Badge vs. Practicality. I think we'll be perfectly fine running this for the next decade and a half. Great video, as always, Kartikaye. Hope you and your team are doing well and keeping healthy. Take care.
Service network is such an underrated factor in actual purchase of car in India. Because the chances of you getting issue in your car serious enough that you can't drive to nearest city for service center is very small, but when it does happen it compounds the headache you have that is a broken car. example: one of my uncle's owned XUV 500, our town is small and don't have Mahindra service center. Unfortunately when our uncle visited us, the alternator mount on side engine cover was broken. That made all components that ran on serpentine belt non working, i.e AC, and more importantly power steering, not to mention alternator. Nearest service center was 80 kms away, yes car could have been towed but the left engine cover was rare part and service center said is special order only product and would need atleast 15 days to arrive and they will do so only when we take car in service center. Now that would mean he would have to tow the car to unknown City, unknown service center and keep it there for 15 days before fix could even be done. Now no one could do that, nobody has this much free time nor does he trust his car to be kept in service center for that long of period 150 away from his home. We ended up travelling to nearest same city, to buy the part off non service center parts dealer and had to have it replaced in local mechanic. (Who did what he could, but he ended up causing other issues with brakes, and second AC compressor). This whole experience was very unpleasant for my Uncle. He never thought not having service center in your local place can cause such hassle. TLDR, please buy cars which has service centers in your local place. Don't even me started on experience of you are in accident and don't have local service center. That's even bigger nightmare. Not having service center nearby is okay when very thing is going good, but when things go south(and they always do) it's additional headache you wish you never had to deal with. This is where MS Invicto and Hyder makes so much more sense than it's own Toyata twin for smaller towns in India
Just because it's maruti don't expect spares to be available in all maruti service centres unless a model is so popular like say swift or Innova you can all the spares to be available across all 1000 + service outlets..
As a owner of invicto ... all you said is rit and it will be a great buy for second hand users as it got less electronic parts to worry about... issue I am facing is , maruthi isn't ready to deal with premium cars ... sales and service team isn't properly trained and more over they are scared or trying to scare us by say anything done to it will effect the warranty of vehicle.... while Toyota allow wire slicing to add extra lights or extra accessories, maruthi is not allowing me to do anything.... and playing with warranty isn't possible as 6 yr battery isn't something you should avoid... since they don't know a clue about this...as they don't make this... they kinda saying no to everthing out of fear...
@motorinc mainly audio upgrade ... for a abv avg level upgrade needs amp ... stock headunit won't support such speakers ... adding amp... a sub and wiring.... we have Nippon toyota sis concern doing all this on their fortuner , innova for years and no warranty issues unless the wire is cut... But maruthi isn't allowing anything... they only suggest a plug and play ... Lights isn't an issue as i don't take much night drive... and ther isnt any upgrades available for headlights other than fixing extra pair... for tht wire slicing is must... Funny part... changing cabin halogens to led isn't acceptable at maruthi ... LOL... Thanks for your interest .... amd you guys hav made motoring videos to another level... calm and plesent ... perfect nap time listening for automobile maniacs.... Kp going...
#MotorInc replaced all the other Car & bike channels I used to follow earlier. I love how their entire design of video is so simple and yet colorful and contrasting. I would love to see their website when it launches and hopefully someday work with the DESIGN team behind it.
Toyota, somehow never gave me happy welcoming vibes. The brand feels arrogant to the point that I feel to never walk into the showroom. MS on the other hand feels homely and nice and softy. The after sales coverage and lack of electronics are the biggest pluses for Invicto. Having said that, I’d rather get Gloster than these two or anything from TaMo or MM.
Great insights! ....As a side note, for a moment, if we forget we are in the Invicto video and imagine this to be a XL6 video, nearly 70% of the things would still make sense. Massively underrated car, I believe!
Recently we had a hail storm in Chandigarh and my friend's Innova got so many tiny bumps and the windshield broke. when non of the other cars parked on the street had a single issue. I am starting to doubt Toyota's Build quality. Especiaaly after their venture with Maruti Suzuki.
*Sir i saw accident between innova crysta and hycross , crysta has far superior build quality , hycross to chabak gayi thi aur crysta minimum damage , shame on maruti khud bhi itna nakli build quality banata hai aur ab. Toyota ko bhi bigaad diya*
3rd grade Cheap Plastics especially on lower areas of car is something that should be addressed by Suzuki/Toyota in Invicto/Hycross. Its OK to add Hard Plastics but atleast try to match Tata or Hyundai/Kia. Its really a shame that you have same quality of Hard Plastic in 30Lakh car and a 7-8 lakh Ignis. Rest the all black cabin of Invicto screams Cheap and Hideous unlike Hycross.
Its such a pleasure to hear kartikeya talk about cars. Invicto which is essentially an innova hycross lite might be a lovely idea but the Indian market has a different perspective. Innova is loved because its Toyota and Toyota uses the LC reference that makes it a great brand for SUV/MPV in India. Suzuki is one of the most consistent brand but here in India it is overshadowed by the Maruti badge that is a synonym for best value, amazing resale, cheap maintenance and a sensible purchase. However it loses out on luxury, built to last and pride of ownership which is the essence of Innova. It might do all the things the toyota can but it cannot match its legacy. Its like an iphone that is branded as Samsung galaxy. Even if consumers know its made by Apple but they will not shell out the premium that they would for an iphone. So till the grand vitara (which uses a monicker that is respected) and baleno its fine. But branding the most loved and iconic vehicle of Toyota as a maruti suzuki wouldn’t make sense. Maybe if the price would be within ₹20L would’ve worked but as you said at that price it is a dealbreaker. Just an opinion as a branding guy ❤
Confused b/w Invicto and Xuv 700 with captain seats (used for both city and highway drives, self & chauffer driven as well).. We require seating for 4, although more space is welcome anyday. Earlier we were using innova crysta and xuv 500 (sold both due to diesel norms in NCR) My city Noida has service centre for both, so no issues there. (Innova Hycross is out of picture due to 2 yr waiting period). HEART SAYS XUV (better to drive and SUV looks) BUT MIND SAYS INVICTO (fuel efficient and spacious). Any suggestions?
Kartikeya recommends Invicto. Not as exciting, but so satisfying. The enthusiast driving pleasure angle is sacrificed - but instead the city driving experience is a different kind of high. 😆 please keep us posted. Would love to know more about your garage.
Great review and makes absloute sense as Toyota has a long waiting period besides Maruti service centers are more compared to Toyota thus getting it serviced in the long term will be a breeze. Drive home the Invicto vs wait endlessly is a good suggestion besides Toyota is no Porche to wait endlessly for one car.
Tiny wheels on massive cars is a very big eyesore. I know smaller tyres give better mileage but so do skinny tyres. I hoped going hybrid would solve this, but here we are with those tiny wheels.
So as per your logic compramise on luxury even after paying almost same amount just to avoid waiting 5-6 months for a car which will accompany you for atleast next 5-6 maybe 10 years??
Not really, Bharath. Our logic is you can have the Invicto now, or the Hycross later. These are the points for and against that decision. Now you decide what works best for you 😊
I'm a innova hycross owner since almost a year now. And these guys haven't launched thir ncap rating. And in my opinion this car weak. The bumper is so damo cheap that it completely bent over when my father accidentally hit a dog while driving. The built quality of this car is highly questionable for the price it is sold. And i was hoping you guys would bring this to peoples view.
Hullo PD! Thanks for bringing this up - could we ask you to check out or Taigun video once - ruclips.net/video/y-GAcC5Tubk/видео.htmlsi=-h_UWB6UvOgn8G2U ?
Indian car market are based on brand value….and i think people will go for hycross due to toyota badge. Resale will make a big difference between both these cars. Toyotas will sell more easily and with better value than suzuki’s invicto
I’ve booked an alpha + it does offer a better value proposition than the hycross zx and vx o and is around 2 lakh cheaper otr Than the Zx o. Plus it is available in a much shorter time. Fog lamps are a miss though with no apparent aftermarket solution and I felt the road noise and NVH levels to be the same as the hycross.
Dude, you are trying way too hard to justify the watering down of the Hycross. In reality it is just a case of badge engineering marutifying a great Toyota and cheapening the overall experience.
😂 He is really trying hard to convince for Maruti invicto. Well people have more love towards innova. That emotion need to broken you need to work other way round
I just noticed that the last 8 videos were all first impressions! lots of work ahead guys, and definitely hoping for more first impressions (ngl my my personal fav format) great video as always ofc p.s. I do think that the interiors could've been much better
Its baffling to see 7 seater car market in india. Nothing to be proud off. From living in a time were the Chevrolet tavera, old school safari , Ford endeavour, tata hexa toyota qualis, all were perfect people movers except the body roll. But going from spacaious 3rd to kinda sorta 5+2 seater cars which has awful 3rd row and just up there for the specs and a chance for the manufacturers to prize a 20lakh at 30+ lakh (safari xuv 700 ). Whats even more baffling is that when the shift to suv is so quick in recent times and the need for it is increasing indian manufacturers ate completely ignorant to the needs and car like xuv 700 irritates me for the stupid 3rd row and dont get me started on safari withs impractical or lack of boot space with all the rows up. Tata and mahindrs were both keen on bringing their cars upward of 30lakh they forgot to provide some additional length to the car which could have helped them and the buyers too. here is a must have checklist for a 7 seater. if any manufacturer is reading thesr comments see this please. We need atleast 250+ litre boot space with all rows up. otherwise please keep the car with yourself. sliding second row. ventilated seats. blinds and ac and blower controls on all three, last row seats when reclained should be plush and should take up room like the fortuner and scorpio. Big red flag perfrct this then you can bring your useless adas and other driver hinderance system. i will happily take. 250+ boot with all three rows up then a sunroof which is always closed. pls dear indian manufactures. be obligated to care of your fellow brothers and sisters. i am sure if you do this they will return thr favour buying loads of your ptoduct. aint broke dont fix it is the worst thing one can do themselves. and cars like safari and xuv 700 are just not acceptable. and japanese sre just fooling us. help yourself by helping us dear indian manufacturers.
Motorinc fan request - Please do more videos like the same comparison formula used for EV scooters which was done earlier. Guess it'll give more clarity on these Toyota Vs. Maruti models.
Hey Shumi and motorinc team, can i get an advice from you, it would be helpful? I am looking to purchase a used bike. I am an college going student looking for a FUN BIKE WITH PERSONALITY (if possible a low maintainace one).My budget is around 80-90 k. Can you suggest me a good option. I have almost zeroed down my list to pulsar rs 200 ( bs4) , what do you think about it?
@@motorinc r15 v3 , maybe duke 200(if I find a good one at good price), honestly open to all of them options... What's your Pick, which among these price segment in used market will bring a smile on my face?
Excellent review. Being a customer of Maruti since more than a decade, will pick the Hycross. Maruti service centres are so crowded that i have started giving my Wagon R (city beater) to my friendly FNG. Its like visiting the Kumbh Mela. Plus Toyota service is way better.
Considering Suzuki worldwide is owned by Toyota, we'll probably see more of these crossovers between their cars, it's cheaper too for both of companies
My understanding is that Invicto uses Torsion beam in the rear and Hycross uses Semi Independent Torsion beam. I think it its a big change in tackling pot holes and B roads.
Just listening to you pravachans is a sugar for ears. That soft editing, easy on ears but concise fact telling is sweet! You once thought you could be different with such a storytelling Kartikeya, which is nothing like what we usually have on this platform. And you executed it to perfection. Kudos.
Never thought that the USP of a car would be the shorter waiting period. XUV700's waiting period has sold many a Safari while the Hycross's waiting period will sell many an Invicto. Seems like in their partnership Toyota has taken the "premium interiors". Look at Glanza-Baleno, HyRyder-Grand Vitara and now this pair.
Only in India, even if you have 30+ Lakh rupees to spend on a single car, you're forced to settle for a lesser 'variant' because Population. What a great time to be alive!
Sorry I don’t get sold on a car that’s USP is primarily that it’s more available than its Toyota cousin, even if it’s worse value. A availability is not everything and not stellar. B I would much rather spend on a car that is value or just wait till either the better car is available or something better is in the market. Customers don’t need to settle, there are still loads of choices. Especially when you spend 30 lakh
I really like the invicto but just looking at the sales numbers (just triple digits with MoM decline) compared to hycross (roughly 10k units sold per month), slightly concerned on the model's potential discontinuity. I am unable to fathom what's it that invicto is lacking. @motorinc
We think it's more about the Toyota brand value and the long standing trust they have gained with the Innova than it is about what the Invicto lacks @aravindh1989. Barring a few comfort features, they're really similar to each other. We can't comment on whether it'll be discontinued or not but we certainly hope that MSIL and the customers gives the Invicto a fair chance. It deserves it.
Can someone help me understand why exactly Toyota is limiting its production of Hycross and instead a portion of the resources at the factory (which I think is common between Toyota and Maruti) are being used to push out Invicto? At a glance, it looks like a strategic limitation of stock at Toyota's end to help sell the Invicto. Genuinely question.
You have made Suzuki's sales guys job so easy , they just need to play this video on repeat. Or may be they will make shorts from this video to run in their dealership. Job well done.
I saw one yesterday pulling out of office parking…. It really looks big, smooth and stylish. Until I saw small black NEXA sticker I did not notice ‘Suzuki’ or Invicto badge. Looking at videos and photos does not do justice to its stance and presence. It’s a nice looking car
The electronics on the Safari are the worry. It’s not to be taken lightly when spending 30 Lakhs. It’s massively appealing, but…. From the safer and more spacious purchase perspective - Invicto.
For someone who's annual income is less then 5 lakhs(mushroom farmer here), somehow your video makes me wanna buy one. For that I hope to win a big lottery.
Awesome.. I like your videos... I would like to see comparison videos as well from you... From the cars in same price point... Would like to have the comparison in one video... Instead of pros and cons you were publishing in shorts ...
Call me crazy or whatever...but the Invicto looks way better than the Hycross. Other than that, it absolutely DOESN'T make sense (imo). You just gotta stretch a lakh bit more, and you have a better product altogether. 🥂✌🏻
@@motorinc I mean come on...for around 1-1.5 lakhs more, you get ADAS + Ottoman + a few features here and there. I also heard the base Invicto doesn't even have Defogger...like seriously? A 29 lakh rupee car doesn't have something as trivial (yet essential) as Defogger...🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Say what you may, MS and Toyota badge engineering make a lot of sense. MS is/will definitely benefit more, in terms of better built, engineered, technologically advanced cars. It helps also push MS case as it moves up the value and perception ladder. Toyota is getting to utilized its manufacturing capacity fully and keeps adding margin on top of it's already fat profit/car. Currently, MS is a reseller of Toyota products, and reverse, Toyota is keeping MS products in the showroom to bring in the crowd and keep its sales staff occupied. I predict, in 10 years time, Suzuki will be a sub-brand of Toyota.
no inside line, but it just seems like an inevitable move. Usually this close a collaboration happens between companies of comparative size. Both in Indian context and globally, MS and Toyota are poles apart in size, tech, engine options, market segments. So it would make a lot of sense to continue the synergies as one big conglomerate.@@motorinc
Karthik I'm a huge fan of your English and your presentation. Back in the days, I would search in You tube as "...... review by Karthik" glad that we have now this channel where we get to see it first hand. Great to see you moving up from being one among to "The One" in this space. Great going... 💪 to your entire team of @motorinc #motorinc
It's your fault that I'm addicted to these videos 😒
😁😁 Thank you for that! ❤️
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I appreciate the editors for excellent editing as usual and the cameraman for great car shots!.
Passing it on! Thanks for that C!
Look I'm not an automobile enthusiast but I happen to stumble upon this channel and now completely hooked! More than the vehicles, I love the storytelling.
Keep at it. Awesome content.
Hullo HK! Thanks for making time to write in and to be with us! See you on the other videos!
Buy an Invicto... Buy a Toyota Logo... Remove the Suzuki logo.... Put on the Toyota logo.... ✅
Hahahahahaha
We went ahead and booked the zeta plus variant. It seemed perfect for our use case. We would get the car within 6 eeeks. We would get the same transmission, engine, chassis, and safety as that of the hycross. We're going to be chauffer driven, so ADAS isn't a miss for us. At 28.5 on road price. Our cars last us 10-12 years easily, i think we'll get decent value if we were to sell it. Minor things can be added over the course of the vehicle's life. To my eye, this is the same BMW 310RR vs. 😮TVS Apache RR310 debate. Badge vs. Practicality.
I think we'll be perfectly fine running this for the next decade and a half.
Great video, as always, Kartikaye. Hope you and your team are doing well and keeping healthy. Take care.
Hey Tanmay! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing your garage with us. Wish you awesome journeys with it.
28.5..?? What?? I thought there was just around a lakh rupee difference between the Hycross and Invicto.
@@PureRythm It is.
30 lakhs onroad for invitco and 31 or 32 for hycross same model
Service network is such an underrated factor in actual purchase of car in India.
Because the chances of you getting issue in your car serious enough that you can't drive to nearest city for service center is very small, but when it does happen it compounds the headache you have that is a broken car.
example: one of my uncle's owned XUV 500, our town is small and don't have Mahindra service center. Unfortunately when our uncle visited us, the alternator mount on side engine cover was broken. That made all components that ran on serpentine belt non working, i.e AC, and more importantly power steering, not to mention alternator.
Nearest service center was 80 kms away, yes car could have been towed but the left engine cover was rare part and service center said is special order only product and would need atleast 15 days to arrive and they will do so only when we take car in service center.
Now that would mean he would have to tow the car to unknown City, unknown service center and keep it there for 15 days before fix could even be done. Now no one could do that, nobody has this much free time nor does he trust his car to be kept in service center for that long of period 150 away from his home.
We ended up travelling to nearest same city, to buy the part off non service center parts dealer and had to have it replaced in local mechanic.
(Who did what he could, but he ended up causing other issues with brakes, and second AC compressor). This whole experience was very unpleasant for my Uncle.
He never thought not having service center in your local place can cause such hassle.
TLDR, please buy cars which has service centers in your local place.
Don't even me started on experience of you are in accident and don't have local service center.
That's even bigger nightmare.
Not having service center nearby is okay when very thing is going good, but when things go south(and they always do) it's additional headache you wish you never had to deal with.
This is where MS Invicto and Hyder makes so much more sense than it's own Toyata twin for smaller towns in India
Thanks for sharing! Sounds like it was a tough time.
Just because it's maruti don't expect spares to be available in all maruti service centres unless a model is so popular like say swift or Innova you can all the spares to be available across all 1000 + service outlets..
Most people think invicto is cheaper than scorpio N 😂
Redefining automobile content in India, legends the both of you!
Hullo AR! Thanks a ton! ❤️
What tranquil!! Shots,subtle bgm,writing,just pure class. One such with safari pls!??❤
Thank you so much!
I just love the fact that an automotive channel has the most aesthetically pleasing videos from any Indian RUclips Channel
Thank you for that TB!
Touché.😌❤️
As a owner of invicto ... all you said is rit and it will be a great buy for second hand users as it got less electronic parts to worry about... issue I am facing is , maruthi isn't ready to deal with premium cars ... sales and service team isn't properly trained and more over they are scared or trying to scare us by say anything done to it will effect the warranty of vehicle.... while Toyota allow wire slicing to add extra lights or extra accessories, maruthi is not allowing me to do anything.... and playing with warranty isn't possible as 6 yr battery isn't something you should avoid... since they don't know a clue about this...as they don't make this... they kinda saying no to everthing out of fear...
Thanks for sharing that! Could you let us know know more details of what you wanted to do? We can enquire with Maruti for you.
@motorinc mainly audio upgrade ... for a abv avg level upgrade needs amp ... stock headunit won't support such speakers ... adding amp... a sub and wiring.... we have Nippon toyota sis concern doing all this on their fortuner , innova for years and no warranty issues unless the wire is cut...
But maruthi isn't allowing anything... they only suggest a plug and play ...
Lights isn't an issue as i don't take much night drive... and ther isnt any upgrades available for headlights other than fixing extra pair... for tht wire slicing is must...
Funny part... changing cabin halogens to led isn't acceptable at maruthi ... LOL...
Thanks for your interest .... amd you guys hav made motoring videos to another level... calm and plesent ... perfect nap time listening for automobile maniacs....
Kp going...
@@cheekuzeesame issue I am facing with them
Also amp installation problem is coming due to car’s battery being under driver and passenger seats
Sir I bought invicto and it is very very bumpy . Maruti couldn’t able to solve . Is it same in hycross. Pl clarify.
Liked the cean and minimal presentation of the video. Keep it up....
Thanks a lot 😊
The money saved buying this vs the Toyota can be put into upgrades and the misses , thereby making it a better package than waiting for the innova
Totally.. what upgrades would you get though?
Sounds like a sleep asmr music
#MotorInc replaced all the other Car & bike channels I used to follow earlier. I love how their entire design of video is so simple and yet colorful and contrasting. I would love to see their website when it launches and hopefully someday work with the DESIGN team behind it.
😆😆 #nopressure hehhe
Agreed💯... I rarely see any other channels
Not gonna consider rebadged maruti for 35 lakhs 😂
That’s your choice. And it’s fine! 👍🏽
After seeing this video every indian will buy one
35 lacs on road for a Maruti ? No wonder I havent seen a lot of these on the roads.
Half the time can’t tell them apart.. 😆
Toyota, somehow never gave me happy welcoming vibes. The brand feels arrogant to the point that I feel to never walk into the showroom. MS on the other hand feels homely and nice and softy. The after sales coverage and lack of electronics are the biggest pluses for Invicto. Having said that, I’d rather get Gloster than these two or anything from TaMo or MM.
Great insights! ....As a side note, for a moment, if we forget we are in the Invicto video and imagine this to be a XL6 video, nearly 70% of the things would still make sense. Massively underrated car, I believe!
Agreed! XL6 is a surprisingly good seven-seater. And, hello again!
@@motorinc isn't it a 6 seater.. ? They have only captain seats in the second row in xl6
Recently we had a hail storm in Chandigarh and my friend's Innova got so many tiny bumps and the windshield broke. when non of the other cars parked on the street had a single issue. I am starting to doubt Toyota's Build quality. Especiaaly after their venture with Maruti Suzuki.
Really! Which Innova was this? Thanks for sharing!
@@motorinc the new one. Innova hycross. They had just purchased it in January. That too got it after a long wait time.
*Sir i saw accident between innova crysta and hycross , crysta has far superior build quality , hycross to chabak gayi thi aur crysta minimum damage , shame on maruti khud bhi itna nakli build quality banata hai aur ab. Toyota ko bhi bigaad diya*
3rd grade Cheap Plastics especially on lower areas of car is something that should be addressed by Suzuki/Toyota in Invicto/Hycross. Its OK to add Hard Plastics but atleast try to match Tata or Hyundai/Kia.
Its really a shame that you have same quality of Hard Plastic in 30Lakh car and a 7-8 lakh Ignis.
Rest the all black cabin of Invicto screams Cheap and Hideous unlike Hycross.
That is the big disappointment, also the sound insulation. 🫤
@@motorinc I don't think so Toyota even considers this as a requirement.😂
You won't be changing the brand colors, style, and setup in the later part to create a completely "new identity" like Beebom did, right?
🧐 Where did that worry come from? 😆
Its such a pleasure to hear kartikeya talk about cars. Invicto which is essentially an innova hycross lite might be a lovely idea but the Indian market has a different perspective. Innova is loved because its Toyota and Toyota uses the LC reference that makes it a great brand for SUV/MPV in India. Suzuki is one of the most consistent brand but here in India it is overshadowed by the Maruti badge that is a synonym for best value, amazing resale, cheap maintenance and a sensible purchase. However it loses out on luxury, built to last and pride of ownership which is the essence of Innova. It might do all the things the toyota can but it cannot match its legacy. Its like an iphone that is branded as Samsung galaxy. Even if consumers know its made by Apple but they will not shell out the premium that they would for an iphone. So till the grand vitara (which uses a monicker that is respected) and baleno its fine. But branding the most loved and iconic vehicle of Toyota as a maruti suzuki wouldn’t make sense. Maybe if the price would be within ₹20L would’ve worked but as you said at that price it is a dealbreaker.
Just an opinion as a branding guy ❤
Thanks so much for putting your take across A! We will slice it differently. But as long as we get what we want.. 😁
Confused b/w Invicto and Xuv 700 with captain seats (used for both city and highway drives, self & chauffer driven as well)..
We require seating for 4, although more space is welcome anyday. Earlier we were using innova crysta and xuv 500 (sold both due to diesel norms in NCR)
My city Noida has service centre for both, so no issues there. (Innova Hycross is out of picture due to 2 yr waiting period).
HEART SAYS XUV (better to drive and SUV looks) BUT MIND SAYS INVICTO (fuel efficient and spacious). Any suggestions?
Kartikeya recommends Invicto. Not as exciting, but so satisfying. The enthusiast driving pleasure angle is sacrificed - but instead the city driving experience is a different kind of high. 😆 please keep us posted. Would love to know more about your garage.
Wow such a great and a sensible review Karthikeya!
I find your reviews to be the closest to real life test drives.
Thanks so much D! Appreciate it!
The built quality, resale value, etc matters..
Toyota is providing adas, 7 yrs warranty,,
Great review and makes absloute sense as Toyota has a long waiting period besides Maruti service centers are more compared to Toyota thus getting it serviced in the long term will be a breeze. Drive home the Invicto vs wait endlessly is a good suggestion besides Toyota is no Porche to wait endlessly for one car.
Thanks for sharing your take!
Even the people who made this car won't even consider this... Even they ll rather wait for Innova😂
The one but major thing that is going to deter people from buying Invicto is using Invicto as taxi.
Lol toyata n suzuki have jv for many brands and it's shared tech. It same same
That sound and editing..killed ... tomorrow I have exam..still can't concentrate 😂
Get back to it! All the best! See you after?
Tiny wheels on massive cars is a very big eyesore. I know smaller tyres give better mileage but so do skinny tyres. I hoped going hybrid would solve this, but here we are with those tiny wheels.
NGL - you have to ignore them. 🤷♂️
Id buy a 2nd hand volvo xc90 for 40 lakhs instead. Maruti is maruti. Shitzuki
When do you plan to get one? All the best!
Toyota is better like who spends 40 lakhs on a maruti???
So as per your logic compramise on luxury even after paying almost same amount just to avoid waiting 5-6 months for a car which will accompany you for atleast next 5-6 maybe 10 years??
Not really, Bharath. Our logic is you can have the Invicto now, or the Hycross later. These are the points for and against that decision. Now you decide what works best for you 😊
I'm a innova hycross owner since almost a year now. And these guys haven't launched thir ncap rating. And in my opinion this car weak. The bumper is so damo cheap that it completely bent over when my father accidentally hit a dog while driving. The built quality of this car is highly questionable for the price it is sold. And i was hoping you guys would bring this to peoples view.
Hullo PD! Thanks for bringing this up - could we ask you to check out or Taigun video once - ruclips.net/video/y-GAcC5Tubk/видео.htmlsi=-h_UWB6UvOgn8G2U ?
Indian car market are based on brand value….and i think people will go for hycross due to toyota badge. Resale will make a big difference between both these cars. Toyotas will sell more easily and with better value than suzuki’s invicto
Thanks for sharing your perspective Vasu!
I’ve booked an alpha + it does offer a better value proposition than the hycross zx and vx o and is around 2 lakh cheaper otr Than the Zx o. Plus it is available in a much shorter time. Fog lamps are a miss though with no apparent aftermarket solution and I felt the road noise and NVH levels to be the same as the hycross.
Congratulations! Thanks for sharing your garage with us. How long before you get it?
8 months
Invicto is made by Tyota so who will do after sales service-- Maruti?? do they have Hybrid technology?
Yes. They have been selling the Grand Vitara with strong hybrid for over a year now.
Dude, you are trying way too hard to justify the watering down of the Hycross. In reality it is just a case of badge engineering marutifying a great Toyota and cheapening the overall experience.
Not going to try and convince you otherwise. That’s your take. Thanks for sharing it.
😂 He is really trying hard to convince for Maruti invicto. Well people have more love towards innova. That emotion need to broken you need to work other way round
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I don’t like the interiors. They aren’t worth a 30 lakh car. Would rather go with Safari
Thanks for sharing @shachigautam7573.
Captivating soothing voice to subtly highlight the cons 😜😜😂. Good diplomatic technique
The voice may be smooth, there nothing subtle said in the video though Sriram
If possible make a comparison video between under 10lkh Hatchbacks.. Planning to buy my First Car
I just noticed that the last 8 videos were all first impressions! lots of work ahead guys, and definitely hoping for more first impressions (ngl my my personal fav format) great video as always ofc
p.s. I do think that the interiors could've been much better
Hello Yello! We’re on it! And good to know your preference! We’ll ask them to get back in their seats! 😁
Eagerly waiting for the Tata Tiago/tigor icng amt first impressions video!
Please do a RTR 310 review, would love to hear the opinions from you guys!
Its baffling to see 7 seater car market in india. Nothing to be proud off. From living in a time were the Chevrolet tavera, old school safari , Ford endeavour, tata hexa toyota qualis, all were perfect people movers except the body roll. But going from spacaious 3rd to kinda sorta 5+2 seater cars which has awful 3rd row and just up there for the specs and a chance for the manufacturers to prize a 20lakh at 30+ lakh (safari xuv 700 ). Whats even more baffling is that when the shift to suv is so quick in recent times and the need for it is increasing indian manufacturers ate completely ignorant to the needs and car like xuv 700 irritates me for the stupid 3rd row and dont get me started on safari withs impractical or lack of boot space with all the rows up. Tata and mahindrs were both keen on bringing their cars upward of 30lakh they forgot to provide some additional length to the car which could have helped them and the buyers too. here is a must have checklist for a 7 seater. if any manufacturer is reading thesr comments see this please. We need atleast 250+ litre boot space with all rows up. otherwise please keep the car with yourself. sliding second row. ventilated seats. blinds and ac and blower controls on all three, last row seats when reclained should be plush and should take up room like the fortuner and scorpio. Big red flag perfrct this then you can bring your useless adas and other driver hinderance system. i will happily take. 250+ boot with all three rows up then a sunroof which is always closed. pls dear indian manufactures. be obligated to care of your fellow brothers and sisters. i am sure if you do this they will return thr favour buying loads of your ptoduct. aint broke dont fix it is the worst thing one can do themselves. and cars like safari and xuv 700 are just not acceptable. and japanese sre just fooling us. help yourself by helping us dear indian manufacturers.
Wow! Thank you for that. If we say this often enough it will happen.
@@motorinc hope as a community we reject these unthoughtfull products they put us in the markets by not buying, we have a chance I think.
this BGM definitely suits the narrating style of karthik
Motorinc fan request - Please do more videos like the same comparison formula used for EV scooters which was done earlier. Guess it'll give more clarity on these Toyota Vs. Maruti models.
Brother, Please make a detailed video which explains battery life, cost of replacement and warranty of innova hybrid.
are you reviewing a car or an exquisite 3 course meal from a michelin star restaurant?
A car, to us, is more exquisite than a 3-course meal at a Michelin restaurant
Should I consider buying Safari Manual or Automatic?
Hycross was my 1st choice but the wait time is too killing..
Hey Shumi and motorinc team, can i get an advice from you, it would be helpful? I am looking to purchase a used bike. I am an college going student looking for a FUN BIKE WITH PERSONALITY (if possible a low maintainace one).My budget is around 80-90 k. Can you suggest me a good option. I have almost zeroed down my list to pulsar rs 200 ( bs4) , what do you think about it?
What is on your list, Daleguerra?
@@motorinc r15 v3 , maybe duke 200(if I find a good one at good price), honestly open to all of them options... What's your Pick, which among these price segment in used market will bring a smile on my face?
Compare innova hycross and Mahindra XUV 700
Request noted! Some of the information you need will be in this video too: ruclips.net/video/8AGygoq6wME/видео.htmlsi=L7dItMzoPBkdaAgZ
Excellent review. Being a customer of Maruti since more than a decade, will pick the Hycross. Maruti service centres are so crowded that i have started giving my Wagon R (city beater) to my friendly FNG. Its like visiting the Kumbh Mela. Plus Toyota service is way better.
8:19 that visual makes the Invicto look like a dinosaur!
How much of a difference do powered seats make to the vehicle's weight? 20-30kgs max?
Are you gaining weight?
Considering Suzuki worldwide is owned by Toyota, we'll probably see more of these crossovers between their cars, it's cheaper too for both of companies
Good job on the research. @5:40
That’s the combo that started making sense after we drove the 17s. And, thanks PC!
Even though I am not buying any cars but your videos are still good to watch.. can't resist lol
My understanding is that Invicto uses Torsion beam in the rear and Hycross uses Semi Independent Torsion beam. I think it its a big change in tackling pot holes and B roads.
Hey IFU! It’s the same suspension setup. As for torsion beams - they are meant to be semi-independent - it’s in the name.
Wow! At first I got connected by "this connect" now connected with the smooth and calm editing.
Superb review and analysis, Kartikeya!
Love the insights. Thanks guys.
Thanks so much J! Glad to hear that.
Just listening to you pravachans is a sugar for ears. That soft editing, easy on ears but concise fact telling is sweet! You once thought you could be different with such a storytelling Kartikeya, which is nothing like what we usually have on this platform. And you executed it to perfection. Kudos.
Thank you @009raptor.
Never thought that the USP of a car would be the shorter waiting period.
XUV700's waiting period has sold many a Safari while the Hycross's waiting period will sell many an Invicto.
Seems like in their partnership Toyota has taken the "premium interiors". Look at Glanza-Baleno, HyRyder-Grand Vitara and now this pair.
Hola SD! What would you pick?
Don't know why ..but this video reminds me of Vijay convincing mausiji scene from Sholay
Hahahahahaha!
Only in India, even if you have 30+ Lakh rupees to spend on a single car, you're forced to settle for a lesser 'variant' because Population. What a great time to be alive!
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Innova holds its value like crazy, Reselling it won't hurt as much after 8 years can't say the same for maruti.
That is my only concern for invicto.
Fair enough. Might be a bit lower.
Sorry I don’t get sold on a car that’s USP is primarily that it’s more available than its Toyota cousin, even if it’s worse value. A availability is not everything and not stellar.
B I would much rather spend on a car that is value or just wait till either the better car is available or something better is in the market. Customers don’t need to settle, there are still loads of choices. Especially when you spend 30 lakh
Good to have your take! Many people would want the HyCross just because of the badge.
I really like the invicto but just looking at the sales numbers (just triple digits with MoM decline) compared to hycross (roughly 10k units sold per month), slightly concerned on the model's potential discontinuity. I am unable to fathom what's it that invicto is lacking. @motorinc
We think it's more about the Toyota brand value and the long standing trust they have gained with the Innova than it is about what the Invicto lacks @aravindh1989. Barring a few comfort features, they're really similar to each other. We can't comment on whether it'll be discontinued or not but we certainly hope that MSIL and the customers gives the Invicto a fair chance. It deserves it.
Can someone help me understand why exactly Toyota is limiting its production of Hycross and instead a portion of the resources at the factory (which I think is common between Toyota and Maruti) are being used to push out Invicto?
At a glance, it looks like a strategic limitation of stock at Toyota's end to help sell the Invicto.
Genuinely question.
You have made Suzuki's sales guys job so easy , they just need to play this video on repeat. Or may be they will make shorts from this video to run in their dealership. Job well done.
Please let us know if you disagree with something. Will be helpful for us to understand why as well. Thanks!
I always heard great things about Toyotas diesel engine....but how reliable are Toyotas petrol engines for 10+yrs
Same…
I saw one yesterday pulling out of office parking…. It really looks big, smooth and stylish. Until I saw small black NEXA sticker I did not notice ‘Suzuki’ or Invicto badge. Looking at videos and photos does not do justice to its stance and presence. It’s a nice looking car
Hullo SK! It swaggers. (When viewed from the front)
@kartikeya....what's your take on Invicto vis a vis safari facelift...which is a more practical driver's value buy 6 seater?
The electronics on the Safari are the worry. It’s not to be taken lightly when spending 30 Lakhs. It’s massively appealing, but….
From the safer and more spacious purchase perspective - Invicto.
For someone who's annual income is less then 5 lakhs(mushroom farmer here), somehow your video makes me wanna buy one. For that I hope to win a big lottery.
Woah! We love em! God bless! And hope it happens!
Awesome..
I like your videos...
I would like to see comparison videos as well from you... From the cars in same price point... Would like to have the comparison in one video... Instead of pros and cons you were publishing in shorts ...
Noted! Thanks so much!
Smoother than my 14 year old Honda city gear Shifts. (The engine is still better tho)
It is smooth!
You could not have said it better. What a car
How could someone wait 15 month for a car? Totally absurd. One may not live for 15 month 😂
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Always look video from inc. main reason is content and the way it presented, high quality presentation. I like kathikeya talk
Thanks so much for being with us! Appreciate it!
Hope they won't release fortuner next under Suzuki badging 😅
😬 I wouldn’t want to bet on it..
Call me crazy or whatever...but the Invicto looks way better than the Hycross.
Other than that, it absolutely DOESN'T make sense (imo). You just gotta stretch a lakh bit more, and you have a better product altogether. 🥂✌🏻
Would be great to know what makes it better! Thanks!
@@motorinc I mean come on...for around 1-1.5 lakhs more, you get ADAS + Ottoman + a few features here and there.
I also heard the base Invicto doesn't even have Defogger...like seriously? A 29 lakh rupee car doesn't have something as trivial (yet essential) as Defogger...🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Only thing that’s annoying is the awfully small wheels makes it scary in high speed on the highway.
How fast were you driving?! 🧐
sabra ka phal tyota hei!
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एक और भी फायदा मिल रहा है, डिस्काउंट 😂
डिस्काउंट मिल रहा हैं?!
@@motorinc yes, I think they have stockpile which they didn't expect pre production, same is the case with Jimny.
Say what you may, MS and Toyota badge engineering make a lot of sense. MS is/will definitely benefit more, in terms of better built, engineered, technologically advanced cars. It helps also push MS case as it moves up the value and perception ladder. Toyota is getting to utilized its manufacturing capacity fully and keeps adding margin on top of it's already fat profit/car.
Currently, MS is a reseller of Toyota products, and reverse, Toyota is keeping MS products in the showroom to bring in the crowd and keep its sales staff occupied. I predict, in 10 years time, Suzuki will be a sub-brand of Toyota.
That last line. You have an inside line somewhere?
no inside line, but it just seems like an inevitable move. Usually this close a collaboration happens between companies of comparative size. Both in Indian context and globally, MS and Toyota are poles apart in size, tech, engine options, market segments. So it would make a lot of sense to continue the synergies as one big conglomerate.@@motorinc
I can’t sleep from yesterday. There’s a news spreading around that the fascino guys are going to kill the R1😭. What you guys think🤕….
Say what!!
@@motorinc The R1M and R1. Yamaha is planning to discontinue these bikes globally.😭
Is it kartikeya or shumi who answer the questions in the comments or the editors ( the vids r so clean )
Is there anything we can convey to either? We’ll pass on the message to the editors!
This guy speakes like some classic symphony... Artist with car reviews.
Thank you for joining!
Is the video on the Honda NX 500 coming ?
Love❤ & Support 💪
Thanks so much for the ❤️! Request noted!
After innova hycross and now after invicto, do the innova crysta owners have anything to be happy about..? We also exist people, respect us too.
We salute you too! 🫡❤️
@@motorinc Thank You. I’m glad🙏🏻😄
It needed diesel 😂 engine
Why?
Ate you this small or the car is huge.
Lil bit of both.. 😆
Karthik I'm a huge fan of your English and your presentation. Back in the days, I would search in You tube as "...... review by Karthik" glad that we have now this channel where we get to see it first hand.
Great to see you moving up from being one among to "The One" in this space.
Great going... 💪 to your entire team of @motorinc #motorinc