Are Trans Beauty Pageants Breaking Stereotypes or Reinforcing Them? | Transnational
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2023
- Miss Queen International is the world's most prestigious beauty pageant for trans women. Rana Thamrin follows several women chasing that title in Thailand and explores the role pageant competitors can play in changing perspectives of trans people.
This episode was filmed in 2022.
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It's a beauty pageant. Might as well call it a stereotype contest, regardless.
"it's not a celebration of trans women and their unique beauty, it's a celebration of passing" oof that hit me hard
If you suffer from gender dysphoria, isn't that what you're looking to do?
@@anthonyalles1833 The issue is more that someone may get to a point where they're happy with how they look and feel affirmed, but then everyone else or others in the trans community put pressure on them to "pass" or look "even better". So basically part of the issue is more of societal beauty standards at a certain point rather than just alleviating dysphoria which is the initial (and more important) goal
@@liminalmind2771 Perhaps, but a trans person is no more obligated to dedicate her life to fighting the patriarchy than any other woman. They have enough problems to deal with, they don't need yet another burden unwillingly placed on them. IMHO I find all beauty pageants silly and retrograde, but I don't demand that everyone share my views.
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuLike you try to "pass" for a decent human being?
@@winstons2024 You mean because I don't accept that Dylan Mulvaney, Eddie Izzard, Lia Thomas etc. are women?
facinating that the cosmetic industry from the medical side is investing in the pageants. seems obvious in hindsight but still interesting to find that connection out
a competition that rates plastic surgeons work :)
Well that goes for a lot of female beauty pageants too these days
@@erinlevere6881 you used to be banned from competing in pageants back in the day if they knew you had any plastic surgery. i know that women who have given birth aren't eligible to compete in some competitions (read it in the fine print in one i was in during my teens) so i really hope that rule has been eliminated if they're allowing males to join
@@barbrothers2unless you live under a rock, miss colombia and miss guatemala were both competing in miss universe this year and they are both mothers, what other excuse are you gonna use to spread your hate now?
Grew up with family that participated in beauty pageants from the 60's thru the 80's. Mother was Miss Huntington Beach, older cousin was Miss California almost Miss America. The pressure on family split everything up. A generation of family that should have grown up and enjoyed each other's company building a community fractured because of mob mentality. That's what it feels like from my perspective. As long as pageants are an expression of creativity and social support for each other and not some contest to FIGHT each other over, then it is just humans doing something good. Kindness needs to win out.
This applies to everything in life, love your point of view, keep spreading love 💕
My neighbors daughter was Miss California, a gorgeous woman who died from alcohol Poisoning. She was a broken alcoholic in her 30's I think. A very sad story for their family.
That's sick.
I dont think these pagents will have kids and I doubt they were forced as kids (they were men back then) to compete
Christ, a doctor that doesn’t know how to properly wear a surgical mask! 🤦🏻♂️
They can have their own shows with their own display of talent. I dont think merging is needed
They’re all women tho.
Separate but equal!!
They are not women, they are men with lots of surgery, something that was not even allowed to women.
I think that also goes for sporting activities - it's not fair for them to compete with natural women
So segregation? Gross.
There's nothing wrong with people _wanting_ to express themselves with 'stereotypical' gender presentations, just as there's nothing wrong with going another way. It's only a problem when people are _forced_ to go one way, or victimized when they don't. Let people be free.
How about 'new women' using all-female spaces?
The problem is claiming stereotypes make you X.
IE: If a white person acted like a stereotypical asian it would be called racism
too bad 4/5 trans are meth heads
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fumost women support trans rights lmao
@@damien4969 Most women aren't accepting of 'new women' in all-female spaces or women's sports.
God Thailand is the most based Asian country ever. Where can u smoke weed, drink beer, and look at a trans beauty pageant?
you could just go to hostess bars in japan or south korea, drink and look at actual real beautiful women, not men. chaser?
This seems like a competition/advertisement for plastic surgeons?
Yes, that's what all beauty pageants are for, to make ugly women feel bad about themselves enough to pay money to surgically alter themselves to look like the women on tv. Are you new here?
Also butchers that want to make money on confused kids. Tons fo money.
Yes, a money making industry. Male plastic surgeons creating a male fantasy!
Perfect. The fact that doctors judge this completion speaks volumes 😖
Any doctor who thinks a trans woman is a woman, needs to have their medical license revoked immediately. Please stop conforming to a person’s delusions.
The fact that you felt it important to post your nonsense, and not even spell words correctly, speaks volumes about you.
One would think 8n other places of their world in trans communities They would want evolved from women competitive pageant. Mimicking what cis women go through is just ridiculous. Beauty is internal and external.. Humanity wants attention especially from each other. Very immature. More important things on earth to do in support of humanity
Thanks for sharing!
Awesome video.
It's fine. They are doing their own thing. No problems with that at all. Infact i hope they are successful and have fun.
I don't
They are beautiful!!
Beautifully done. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
These girls inspire me to get skinny
what girls? I looked at the whole video and I didn’t see any girls
They are beautiful
😂
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm assuming you are male-wouldn't you chat up any one of them?
@@NyanyiC hell nah
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm sure you won't realize it at first. Like I said they are beautiful
They are beautiful. I ended up marrying a Thai trans girl. Best decision I ever made.
Maybe both
Also do reports on Bangladesh please
Can you do a video on hypohydrosis
Great interviewer.
I mean... Just have separate beauty pageants specifically for Trans. That makes more sense than merging with biological women pageants.
If only they could do the same thing for sports
these beauty pageants have existed for years, decades even, straight people just ignore them because they don’t view them as “valid” as the pageants for biological women
And that is the answer loser will give. I bet you they won't think that way should they had won.
why is every other VICE video about trans people? I swear to god everyone is completely obsessed with this issue.
Only the extreme left, they love anything thats weird and different and bothers conservatives and religious people.
*God
@@hifijohn Some do, but at least we can respect the differences in each humans instead of forcing everyone to be a fucking robot and fit inside one shoe. As anarchists, we don't put our confidence based on how we annoy conservative Nazis. We put it based on how we RESPECT people
it's not an issue, silly goose!
Soros bought them and that´s pretty obvious this is part of their agenda.
Autogynephilia
Is that your mother name ?
Thank God I'm American Trans Women in the USA but I do enjoy watching these Trans Beauty Pageants from these country, I hope who ever watching this video to learn more about our Trans community and not judge like these Online trolls with stupidity negative comments about Trans women, if ya don't like watching the video then don't watch go away K!
oh hunny you'll find more acceptance online than you ever will in real life. unless you live in a libbed out shthole, everyone hates trans women.
The former is correct no need for a whole video
0:42 if you want people to listen to anything your hauking yes it is lol
idk I’m transgender myself and I think if all long as u have the means to look the part that’s all that matters but come on who wants to stand next to a brick and consider them your sister pls
I mean who cares. I’m trans as well. If every trans girl was a doll there it would be fabricated. Not everyone (even cis women are ultra feminine) you have tomboys etc . …trans people are the same. If you want to be a doll, be a doll. But don’t hate on other trans people because they don’t put the same values on passing as you do.
Your conclusion was always something that was obvious honey, I apologise, but they chose to be there.
I just want to say not all clinics like this I think the owner, surgeon can actually get a bigger premises more room. The recovery room is really not hygienic and doesn’t look safe to me. Anyway they seem to doing well.
Miss Pinay slayed!
Can Cis women join?
Nope. This is specific 😊 only transgenders are allowed because you have to present your old documents before you changed
@@PeachBooksBut nothing is allowed to be women-only. Can’t OP just identify as a trans woman?
@@littlecatfeet9064 honestly I have no idea why they join us in women’s only spaces. But the last I heard they were going to make it possible In miss universe. But this one is specific to just them
@@littlecatfeet9064 you can try the forged papers but you have to show plastic surgery before and after here
happy to see this subject explored with the level of nuance it deserves!! thank you to Rana for the insightful coverage
Bro 😂
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I hate the scary background tense music when the patients are in the recovery room. I think you are just jealous of the girls who have had surgeries when actually you’re faking the way you sound when you speak
A beauty pageant cant be the only platform for all the social equality that trans people are trying to achieve. A beauty pageant is about beauty, and gender dysphoria does need passing. But many pass in the normal world, to win, someone has to be a more pleasing to the eye.
Respect each other ❤
Well done small documentary, will pass to all my trans friends.
What a great point of you!
5:23 The term "mermaid" is rather cute and enduraning.
I think it's discriminatory towards cows. Why doesn't anyone want to be a cow only a mermaid?
I am a woman and I want to enter this space
How do you compete with artificial beauty full of surgeries and silicon? And they are not women, just men.
Mmm, I doubt a real woman would be allowed., but trans allowed in women's spaces.
Yay Philippines!!!!
How long before they turn the comments off on this
Definitely reinforcing stereotypes.
Step up your game then haha
Omg this is like such a pressing question and we demand answers!!
Beauty peagents are a result of basic human desire the feeling of being wanted and desired. Few questions and answers does not defines someone’s internal beauty. I can’t criticise it because I am also a human and I like being desired and attractive. But these pageants of any gender doesn’t define our true beauty. These contest only makes less attractive people more insecure. A day will come the technology like DNA modification and designer baby will make all people externally beautiful, especially the one who can afford it.
I am a filmmaker student, in my own way and from my work, I am working and struggling on a project to help change these kind of social problems. I am from the same country as Javiera, and even that, myself as a man, struggle all the time finding people from the LGTB community to join my project. My point is, the world is like that, the only way to fulfill a change is creating something new; maybe judging these kind of events is not the proper way to find a solution, after all, most of them are "almost" honest, I mean they are always about beauty, that's the all point. If someone finds this must change then the solution is create a contest about something else, where beauty wwould be a minor factor.
Tans videos employee is back from vacation I guess
Neither
I THINK that that's is just sou Wrong in all ways
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Most prettiest
Trans or not. It's bizarre.
Not in a good or bad way.
Just bizarre.
Agree. I am trans and coming from Philippines where pageants are a BILLION pesos industry, it's stupid and degrading to all women.
yes!!!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reinforcing because I guarantee you, that the transwomen who allowed to participate, have to fit the "passability test". Beauty comes in all forms, and a transwoman shouldn't have to fit a mold to be considered beautiful.
Neither should biological women. When I see a slightly overweight girl with dark skin, glasses and kinky hair I’ll believe that Miss America is about scholarships.
It's the same for cis women. I ain't getting in that show.
There is still room for an ugliness contest. That way no one feels offended.
@@getthekool1758- Yeah, but still, most of them are gorgeous. They are all winners in my eyes.
@@customfantasyhotwheels My point is there is a difference between what is ugly and what is beautiful. And seems people are getting offended because the reality is what is superior is better, and this is how life works.
Honey, the Gworls are GIVING BEAUTY QUEENS YAAAASSS!!!!
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"It's a celebration of passing-who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." That sounded like an insult to all transwomen
Мужчина извращенец не является женщиной lol
Why is it an insult to trans women, we’re criticizing the institutions which subjected us to these standards,, 😅
Impressive
Well has a long has their doing their own thing and not ruining real woman spaces I am all for it
Yep
Like box of candy you don't know which one have coconut and how big it is.
My name is abdul saak deek i want to saak deek 😂😂😂😂
Beauty is in the eyes of the be holder.
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As a trans woman I try to be supportive but I don’t get the whole beauty pageant thing. Good on em for doing it live your truth and all but I think beauty pageants set back all women sis and trans.
No such thing as a cis category for woman, you are a man and I would suggest heavy counseling because deep down you aren’t living your true self your living in delusion.
As a straight male, I totally agree with you. No matter how they try to church these pageants up, it still boils down to displaying an individual as a dressed up piece of meat, no matter how many "world peace" questions you throw into it.
that's understandable.
Stop calling us normal people "cis". We are BIOLOGICAL males and females.
If you cannot accept that, then you have to be comfortable with being called "tra**y" by us BIOLOGICAL men and women.
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They're just having a good time. Leave them alone.
These are not women in any sense or by any standards they will never ever now what a real woman goes through...
They trans they never said they are female
This makes more sense than them joining miss universe which is traditionally for natural born women. How can you push for transgender acceptance when you're already stepping the boundaries of nature. Fight for your rights, but don't say you are a woman coz you're not. But you are an amazing transgender woman and that's something to be proud of
I keep coming back to Vice News hoping that they do more in-depth reporting about things that matter like Ukraine, and Israel, but each time I'm sadly disappointed. What happened?
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
they went from being counter-cultural to joining the mainstream media. pretty much an extension of the mass media but meant to spread their ESG-woke agenda to the younger demographic. they can't and won't encourage real critical thinking anymore. just follow the party line.
it's fluff like straight miss competitions, with that extra layer of dark pattaya veneer
Papai cici - Malaysia
Where is your coverage on the Israel Palestine conflict?!
I do not really have much to say about this topic either way...but you are right whats going on in the Middle East is more important/topical
Vice has extensively covered middle eastern issues for over a decade. They'll get around to it . Also since this was filmed in 2022 Im guessing this is just a re-release on RUclips, not necessarily new
They would be making propaganda for HAMAS anyways.
Hasn’t VICE filed for bankruptcy? I doubt their reporters will be travelling much, if they have any reporters.
Smh
They just copied the concept from the Philippines. Our trans pageantry is way way back
Not comparable nor should they be. Different foundations regardless of adding or subtracting.
Wtf
How about we just stop overthinking everything and just let people do whatever the fuck they want
because while there are some trans women competing in beauty pageants, there are countless other trans women out there being beat, raped, shunned because they don't look "passing" and to reinforce this, only the most passing, gorgeous trans woman is their voice? it's pretty sad. at least least trans women and cis women share this issue.
This is just a certain topic of discussion that is interesting to at least talk about. And like the person above me said, when there's countless non-passing transwomen being killed for being said non-passing (also cis women being killed for "appearing trans") how do these pageants presenting mostly passing trans-women effect those non-passing transwomen? It's just a question to be reckoned with.
But they still never be a real woman 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for covering this, so insightful
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
Lol brutal 🤖
I don’t care what people do, so long as they are honest with and do no harm to others.
Ty king
@@sapphomet.7777 Sarcasm?
@@kierenmoore3236 no straight up as a trans person This is an actually refreshing take because Fox News has tried to train a whole generation of people to try to immediately invoke ww2 get in the camps style Nazi propaganda against us
@@kierenmoore3236 given the VICE audience and what they think about this topic, yes it's likely sarcasm. If you have the Chrome extension to view RUclips dislikes, this video is currently at 244 likes and 460 dislikes. Every single one on this topic gets ratio'd about 2-to-1 or even 3-to-1 and is full of hateful comments.
@@desmond-hawkins It isn't hate to want to be safe in our own spaces.
Nah
i don't get it we already have women pageants why do we need this ?
To separate the two. They need to compete against each other and not actual women.
Affirm your delusion
These are MEN😂
They are Trans women.
Here come all the sensitive boys crying about “wokeness” 🙄
I always laugh at that because they're basically saying they're asleep.
you can call them whatever they want, but those are just men 😂
maybe its because you're woke?
which is a good thing btw@@666j1
It's not 'wokeness', it's flat out sexism
14:35 "its different because for us its a way to look the way we want to" LOL the hypocrisy... thats what all cosmetic surgery is about
Let me clarify, i do not hate. That's your perspective and feelings of your creation. Yes, i could hate, but that's a choice, and there's more like love, compassion and empathy too. In growing up was taught religion of Christ, and in no eay Jesus never hated anyone throughout the years he was on Earth. God considers these lifestyles choices a sin, a given example is, Sodom and Gomorrah, in those cities had wickedness, but God was going to destroy, prior which is very important he sent two Angles in, but God didn't immediately destroy, he warn, and if you realize you are the one that hate, perhaps frim your personal experiences and your projecting your hate up us. Only hate i have is what if your wrong, and we are warning your pending doom? Personal choices have its own individual accountability. If its considered a sin, and I'm trying to warn it is the concern of the soul which when the body is finite the soul, consciousness is eternal. Trans person, even when you try to erase the outside the internal is hardwired including the dna, we cannot change the xx, and xy.
Jesus didn't hate? What about with the money lenders and the bull whip?
All of this trans content. Where is the reporting on Gaza???
everywhere habibi
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Where are the women?
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They are not women
Women are nurturing
Men are not
Transwoman are the best ❤
Cis……..don’t ever call me that to my face.
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