Is Vega 56 For $199 The BEST Mainstream Upgrade Option?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- With reference Vega 56's selling for LESS than $200 in the second hand market is it's a worthy upgrade to mainstream owners of the RX 470/570, RX 480/580, GTX 1060, and even the GTX 970?
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Heck yes I love my Vega 56 I just built a system with it and it works great
Yes sir. Got mine paired with a 4790k and could not be happier
@@wetwerd2003 Hi I am planning to do the same Is It possible for you to share 1 video how it runs with SOTR,FH4 type of title
If you don't mind the fan noise, which isn't really that bad when you're actually gaming with sound, you don't need to underclock this much. Personally I run a reference Vega 64 @1650mhz, -100mv and +25 power limit. I run a max fan speed of 75% and I don't pass 85c under stress tests. More noise? Yes, but it's certainly worth a nearly 25% performance boost over running at 1250mhz.
James Garrett using a good headset won’t hear a thing anyways so will worth it.
The fan past 35% is horrible. I wouldn't recommend anything higher. Not worth a meager performance boost. Increased clocks do not scale linearly. +20% clock = +10-15% performance.
@Love Thy Neighbor Price to performance is always more impressive than performance regardless of price ;)
@@TheGoodOldGamer I guess it depends on how sensitive one is to fan noise and what's going on in the rest of your gaming environment. Chris, you obviously have a rather low tolerance for fan noise but for many, a bit of noise isn't that big of a deal. I ran a Vega 64 for quite a while at stock settings and never found it to be bothersome. And yes, my hearing is just fine.
Can you hear that?.............................. yes, that sound is called Tinnitus, caused by constant bad noise!
I've been waiting so long for someone to do this video! Thanks!
Went from a X3450 with a 1060 3gb on a 34" 3440x1440 monitor to a R5 3600 Vega 56 on the same monitor....HUGE increase in play-ability. Undervolted and memory timing tweaks make the vega 56 a really fun card to tweak and gain extra performance with. Could not be happier with my platform, fun to play with and great value!
Most days my 3600 doesn't even get up to a gallop, 25%-50% is very typical usage. I don't see the need for a more expensive CPU for gaming and surfing. I went 5700xt though.
Because. Cyberpunk.
Can you further elaborate what tweaks you did in memory timings...thanks.
The above is the memory timing I'm currently using. I have Samsung memory so that plays a role.
The big difference is in undervolting.
I use wattman and I find it working really good. True, it sometimes disregards my settings and ups or downs the voltage / clocks if required but the overall stability and performance is great. I have got air boost oc with hynix memory, the memory won't let me to get over 865mhz without artifacts but wattman allows me to undervolt the card massively. I am getting regularly 1550-1610mhz in games at 0.95v set in P7 (0.906v as reported by hwinfo) with the fan not going over 2400rpm (~45%) even in heavy benchmarks , usually sits around 2000rpms whilst gaming . Firestrike gpu score is well over 22000. I am super happy with this card, despite reference design it's relatively quiet and stays cool (hot spot rarely hits 80 degrees, usually around 72-75 which is fine) and the uv made the card actually quite power efficient (~80W less than on default settings). Not quite turing efficiency but not that far off and certainly comparable (or even better) to the default pascal.
I appreciate this video! I have a 570 and I've been considering a Vega 56.
Getting a Vega 56 for 199.00 is insane! I just picked one up last week for 225.00 and I thought that was a great deal!
if you run your tables better then this guy you'll also see your card is better then what is shown here in this "review"
I bought my Vega 56 for 4K gaming. You do have to dial back some of the most costly lighting and AA settings but it works and it's the best value 4K card out there. Granted I am pushing the power usage with a flashed Vega 64 BIOS and it's loud.
Me too but I am tending to do 1800p. I never know the best settings to turn down and there are some guides out there. Shadows is usually a good one to tirn down and don't need AA when at 4x1080p anyhow?!. But some lighting effects on far cry 4 looked awesome so didn't touch them and preferred 1800p ultra than 4k very good.
You can spend all day teeaking and never play!!! I do that a lot!!
ya I just turn on FXAA for everything. It's not perfect but does smooth most things out pretty well.
I *LOVE* the way you normalized the card for "acceptable" noise. Also interesting to see last-gen v current entry level cards. I'm waiting for next gen (I have 980ti and been saving up for a few years). Great work.
Great vid as usual man... Love the content... The Vega 56 is the most versitle card of the bunch because of the hbm2 memory. You can get some crazy good performance out of it and even flash a 64 bios to it to squeeze even more out of it... But overall a very good card...
when you compared thr rx 56 to the 5700 you still had the 56 gimped by cutting the fan and power
I went from a RX480 and i7 2600 to a Vega 56 Ryzen 3600. Huge difference. It's a great budget combo for 144hz 1080p.
I OC the memory to 950MHz and UV the frequency by 1.5 volts. That gave me better performance and it runs a bit cooler.
i replaced the thermal paste and pads and dont have an issue with the noise.I flashed the card with Vega 64 bios and i undervolt the card p7 state at 1075mv also plus + 30% power target, HBM is at stock 945MHz. Max temps at 78 degrees with a 50% fan speed. As you said the noise is subjective but it is not the annoying high pitch so for me personally is fine. Of course power consumption is at 270watts ( it can consume even more when pushing +50% power). At stock settings Vega 56 temps stay at 72 C with a 48% fan speed. Before i replaced the thermal paste temps were around 78-80C
I just got a Vega 56! Bought for £190. I don't like fan noise above 60%. So have +50% power, undervolt to 1040 using watt tool (overdriventool) and memory at 925 and target temps around 70 degrees. As goodoldgamer says, radeon settings are just overwritten
Next stop will be to try 64 bios flash to see if can overclock memory more.
G'day Chris,
In Australia Vega56 are still over $350AUD for a used one, although considering some people are asking more for used RX580s on eBay & GumTree (like Craig's List)
in Nz its $500+ still
We do pay more here in Australia. Gtx 1660ti is $450 AUD. And the 1660ti would be slower than the Vega 56. The rx 5700 is $570 AUD which I think if you're going to buy a card at that price you may as well pay the extra $70-80 dollars and get the RX 5700 xt at $640 AUD. I'm sticking with my rx 480 for the time being. If I buy a higher card really I need a new monitor too as I'm on 1080p 60hz right now.
I bought an MSI Airboost Vega 56 new for 250 with a 20 MIR during the Newegg Fantastech sale. Yes it's the blower cooler but personally I've never been bothered by it. Samsung HBM2 was a plus. I was unable to flash the V64 vbios on it. The Vega cooler for the 56 is **ok** but not amazing, but totally inadequate for the Vega 64/special edition. Mine is undervolting at 950-970 mv at all P phases. I did a 50% power limit. Mine boosts regularly to 1530-1550 MHz. Runs on average 63-65C. I was also able to OC the HBM2 to 960 MHz without it reaching 75C during heavy load. At 1660 prices, it demolishes the 2060, so still totally worth it.
Built my system this summer and got the PowerColor Vega 56 3 fan design, open box 229.00! Could not be happier....
Did you combine the negative 10 power limit and -40mv undervolt? If yes you might be doing 2 undervolt on top of each other hence youre crashing on reboot. I have a reference vega 64. I have i higher noise tolerance. So i set my custom fan curve at 55% or 2800 rpm. I ran my power limit at -5%. Stock clocks. Oc my memory to 1100mhz. Im able to hit 1580-1620mhz on all games. With this settings, the perfomance is about the same as a stock 5700xt at 1440p. Its nice since i got my used vega 64 for only $218. Oh and i also repaste my vega 64 with TG kryonaut. Pro tip: monitor your gpu hotspot thru hwinfo64. It should always be under 105°. The gpu will thermal throttle and downclock to 1200mhz. With my -5 power limit, gpu hotspot is about 90° range. Gpu temps at 70°. Gpu will boost at 1600 mhz all day. Hope this helps and happy hunting for used vega.they really good cards. Just need a little tweaking.
got a sapphire nitro+ vega 56 for 250. Going be enjoying it so much when it arrives. Have a Sapphire nitro r9 fury now
Just got an after market 1 of eaby for 160 not actually arrived yet but all going well I reckon be an awesome buy
Late to the party but I found a sapphire pulse version on the cheap and couldn't be happier :) even moreso, as a 1080p/60 gamer I have plenty of overhead left to keep a locked 60 in damn near every game maxed out! (Shout-out to my overclocked 3770k still hanging in there with more to give, lol)
You have to apply the under-volt only to the highest power-state. If you do it through AB, it does it across all power-states.
I don't see Vega 56 available for 199 anywhere. Usually around 220-230.
Are these 199 prices on offer up/Craigslist or eBay?
Those are on Ebay, they are starting around the $199 range depending on if it is an auction or buy it now.
i just got one for 205 on ebay
Doug Shell most of the ones below $200 you usually get them by bidding. It’s not that common to see a buy it now offer for less than $200.
Prices have gone up due to youtubers
After a few weeks searching, finally found a new STRIX Vega 56 for 209 Euro a few months back. It took a week experimenting with undervolting und stress testing, but I am finally super happy with it. Got about 40-50% performance boost over my old RX480. It also runs cooler with under 75 C GPU Temp under load. So yeah, partner model for under 250 Euro (or equivalent) is a sweet deal.
For my 3d rendering, baking, graphic design I got a Sappire Nitro Plus for 400 flat new. Amazing cooling and performance. Just gets cool whine when I'm over 100 fps but that's what sound dampening cases are for.
Do you use high-résolution textures (optional) in Far Cry 5 ? The ingame benchmark seems low with my system. 90 average FPS on a downvolted 1070 ti
Surprisingly my sapphire nitro fury is still doing well for 2k
R9 Fury is still a great card
@@slappingvegans7940 got a 290x in my sons pc with a ryzen 2200. still works great especially for his 1680x1050 monitor
I found it stable personally at -0.137mV and I haven't adjusted neither core or memory clock, ran a benchmark on Unigine Heaven and found out I gained 8FPS average, doesn't sound like much but for such trivial task thats amazing.
All you have to do is look at the APUs to know the efficiency sweet spot, as they will be clocked as close to perfectly efficient as possible
I'm limited by having to use a GT 1030 because it is both single-slot and SFF. Using the Overclock Scanner in MSI Afterburner I have it set for a boost clock of 1886 MHz and a memory clock of 3440 MHz and I get good enough performance out of it for 90% of games. Also, the HT Bus is set to 1000 MHz, memory is DDR 3 1333 MHz. No overvolt, but my PCIe x16 slot is overclocked to 3000 MHz in my motherboard settings Using NVidia System Tools. My AMD Athlon 2 X4 645 Processor CPU does not like overclocking, so I leave it on all factory settings. I have added some extra fans to the case and it has excellent airflow now, and it can be loud at times but I really don't mind it, I actually kind of like the sound of it during intense moments of gaming.
For those who already have or are building a custom loop system the Vega 56 reference is hands down the most bang for the buck. You can easily find a water block for Vega reference for $100 to $130 and once you put Vega on water OC/Under Volt it easily beats the 5700. I have an MSI Vega 56 Air OC Edition with an EK Block for a total of $297. I'm running it at 1.080v with 1672core/925mem rock solid and temps rarely exceed 50c. So if you're going Open Loop definitely don't overlook this card as once on water it's extremely competitive with much higher priced options.
I recently upgraded to a 5700xt blower. A water cooling upgrade may be worth it - unless I can sell it for $200 less in 2 years and put the rest towards a newer card with more performance.
Dunno I've just bought a 56 by msi using the reference cooler it's cool and quite considering. Well happy with it so far
You should grab a R9 Fury or Fury X for these test. These are very affordable right now and still very capable. My Fury Tri X wipes the floor with my 580 8gb in 1440p tests.
Fury is good, as long as you keep your VRAM usage below 3.9 GB. Fury shits the bed in Wolfenstein NC and any other VRAM hog game engines.
@@4m470 I have an LG ultra-wide 2560X1080 its just about a perfect match. I don't game competitive nor do I ever run ultra settings. Eventually ill upgrade but for now really no reason to. All my games look amazing 😍 and im not heating up the room either. Even on my 1440p monitor the fury does very well. I just prefer the 21x9 aspect ratio.
Just bought a reference Asrock Vega 56 for 217€ new at mindfactory. Can't wait :D
you and i both haha
@@kingjasko Yeah sent it back the next day. The noise was killing me :D Settled for a used RX 580 Nitro+ 8gb for 128€.
@@undercoverneunzehn ah fuck haha id go for rx 580 if it wasnt fucking 170€
Nice job. I would of liked to see the RX-590 in the mix. I would guess that the RX-590 performance would be between the RX-580 and RX-Vega series.
I just upgraded from my 1050 ti, and the difference with pubg is amazing
yeah i got a sapphire vega 56 nitro le for $200 the thing is boss. i had previously in my old system a 980ti hybrid... i love my vega 56. built a system around it aswell!
Going to hang on to my 480 for now.
Have mine running p7 1509 (reaches 1400~ in games) , 925 memory OC, power limit 0% and 900mv. Runs max 2000rpm any game. Its better than out of box , reaches higher clocks, memory OC gives a nice boost and big undervolt makes its pretty much silent. Got asrock refference card. Swaped rx 580. Very nice and big upgrade for me. Got brand new for 240euro. Every one who buys vega should tinker it and find the best option suitable for them. Your is way too much undercklocked. And you can get better performance out of it with not much sound increase.
The 580 (480) and 1060s are over 3 year old cards now. When you consider what those cost at launch (~250-270$ aib models), the cards are still really good value for performance if you are on 1080p.
I just bought a vega 56 reference for £190, sold my r9 fury for a cheap £110. So it just feels like I got an upgrade for 80 quid. I'm fine with the blower cooler for now.
I have a Predator Helios 500 laptop with a Vega 56 in it. They cut it down to a 120w TDP, but it only loses in average 7% over the full bore 180w desktop chip. It's almost like they did the undervolting for me.
They binned those mobile Vega GPUs. If I needed a laptop,. I'd get the Helios.
I've ordered myself an Vega 56 as a replacement to my GTX 970. I went for the sapphire pulse version though for nice quiet cooling
Duckbilled Walrus how was the upgrade for you? I just bought a Vega 56 and will be upgrading from an EVGA 970, so same as you.
I use my Powercolor Red Dragon only for 1080P Gaming and i undervoltet my GPU to 1040 on 1400 HZ and Mem. 760MHZ on 900, that is my sweetspot i lose a few FPS but it works still great and it works 98% with no Fan at all under 50C even on Gaming in Sommer. Thats the best way for me
Not sure if this is applicable in this situation, but my i5 6300hq can undervolt .150 if I don't let it idle down below 2GHz.
Not sure if you can disable idle clocks on the Vega, probably have to tweak the BIOS like I did on my 5750.
i bought one a month ago for 205 for my test bench im building soon. gonna test some power play tables for the first time with a aio or a block and shove 325watts threw it lol
What do you think Afterburner is doing that Wattman isn't with regards to power targets...? They're all just calling the same API's on the driver.
I don't find them anywhere near as loud as you claim. Slightly audible is not an issue for me.
Great video. Maybe a video explaining how us guys new to PC gaming can understand benchmark charts we see all the time. I think that would help us newcomers like myself.
Im also wondering why it took so damn long maybe 8 months or so for the quietly released vega aib cards to hit the market when vega was current at the time and then the navi aib cards are released weeks after navi comes out.
The Vega cards launched to expensive and right before the crypto boom. Nobody really bought these as they really had no benefits over the 1070/1080 at the time. Now however @2-300 baller deals
@@wayneduke384 vega does look more appealing now with the price drops
Cool to know that you can make a Vega card run below the 200w mark, getting it to run at 150w is impressive but wouldn´t you solve the noise issue by replacing the fan with a much quieter large fan?
Just got Asus Rog Strix OC Vega64 for £196. Great upgrade for my Sapphire Nitro Plus RX570 4GB.
The good question would be ? For 1080p high 60 FPS gaming, for now and next 4 years.......Do you choose pascal ,non ex-mining cards, from 1060 ti 1080 ti, or rather Vega ? Will Vega drivers still be optimized by AMD in a near future ? In terms of efficiency, Vega 56/64, and pascal's GPU, with low power targets are both efficient. And in terms of durability, the cooler and lower an engine runs, the better it holds in good condition.......Vega 56 are available here for 300€, with custom cooling. This could help to boost fréquence @ low voltage.
Can we fit another cooler on a blower vega 56? Or the rails and cabling wont fit?
i have a vega 64 its a recent purchase,But you can't keep the thing cool and i won't change the thermal paste untill the last 5months warranty runs out,i have had to put quite a high fan curve it's quite loud though my system is loud too but it's nothing compared to Vega,and undervolting dosn't make a big differance i have 5 fans on my case too intake and outake but no that dosn't help.But it is a good card for the price it's just somthing to think about when buying a vega
I live in Poland, and the second hand market is flooded with potential miner Vega 56's and GTX 1070's. Even though they are from reputable sellers, the quantity was making me suspicious. I decided to pick up an R9 290X TriX for 100$, and then a GTX 980 Ti Superclocked for 200$. Cheapest Vega 56 is a blower for 260$. From a seller with like ten. I dont trust this.
Vega 56/64 are very competitive in compute/production, I remember seeing benchmarks putting the 64 at or *better* than 1080ti in Blender... not sure if things have changed since then. Also I love squirrel-cage fans, they allow a LOT of GPUs to be crammed in close together in one chassis. For gaming, I would probably put a water block on a Vega card.
just double checked the V64 vs 1080ti in Blender and V64 *SMOKES* the 1080ti in blender
I have my 1080ti set up with a max fan speed (AIB 70%) in a similar way. The only difference is that I have the fan ramp up just before it's recommended maximum by a couple of degrees. The biggest reason is different games create different loads, and you can't tell the exact settings with only one or two games, and I don't want there to be a run away. Yes the card will throttle itself, and there's other safeguards, but I'm not going to be dumb and take away the upper fan speeds as a last resort. The card never gets close to ramping up, but it's still there, just in case. The Shadow of the Tomb Raider, you said that the V56 AVG wasn't as big of an AVG difference from the RX580 as it is in other titles. That's because it is an AVG, and the 1% low was a CPU limitation, so the low brings down the AVG. How much just depends on how often it is CPU limited. I know 55 was 1%, but who knows often it is held back at all. Not a big deal. Just reminding you, in case you were thinking about it like Min/Max. The Vega 56 is a good card, for a 1080p gamer or a 1440p 60hz gamer that doesn't mind tweaking if necessary. It won't last for a long time for 1440p, but it's only a $200 card now. It doesn't have to last as long. That's the downside of more expensive cards. It isn't just frames per dollar. It's how long is it useful for what you want it to do.
The Vega 56 is obviously the best value choice for around £200-£250 in the UK, but I think the 5700 XT also has a place here as it's basically the only next step up, at least here in the UK. The 5700 AIB cards and 2060 Super cards are not that much of a jump over the Vega, and 5700 XT cards are anywhere from around £30-£80 more, depending on model. Evoke, Red Devil, Pulse are around the £80, the Thicc2, Red Dragon, Mech and Challenger are around the £30. I would just pay the extra £30 and get quite a good performance bump over Vega 56/64 performance. But if you can't afford it, go Vega and maybe pick up a XT in a few years or something for £200 or so if the Vega isn't hitting your needs.
Thinking about upgrading my old rx 580 with a Vega 56.. worth it?
I think the price to performance improvement is at least as important metric than price to performance. And this is what most people miss when they do price to performance analysis. If you upgrade from 5 Tflop card to 8 Tflop card you practically pay for 3Tflop, not 8Tflop of performance. And 10 Tflop card would be a 5 Tflop of upgrade. This kind of thinking makes less frequent upgrade to slightly higher tier cards more optimal strategy from price to performance improvement analysis.
Considering flipping a RX580 8GB for Vega 56 non reference. Living in China, prices for Vega 56 just under USD 200 can get this deal done for around USD130
I have a red dragon v56, which is pretty decent other than hynix hbm, which still overclocks. Just can't bios flash. Clocks are workload dependent, and not static, light weight games will easily overclock while heavy games will actually downclock and you can't do anything to stop it. That said, Vega has 64 ROPs, which you need for 1440p, and is a better high res card than Polaris.
Just bought my Vega 56 Pulse for 200$ I hope that the performance gain is huge ^^
I have a ref vega 56 with a core i5 6600k and have done some tweaking but not coming anywhere close to those numbers. I keep seeing such conflicting arguments for and against upgrading the cpu but is it the main cause?
A RUclips commenter wrote: “I went from a heavily oc'ed (i5) 2500k to a Ryzen 2600 and the difference is pretty unbelievable in both gaming and outside of gaming.”
“My Ryzen 5 3600X surpasses my I7 9700k machine in almost all functions. My I7 machine is relegated to my 7 yearolds Roblox habit and nothing else. Hell, my Ry 3600x beats the I9 in single thread.”
"I upgraded from an i5-3570k (oc @4.2 ghz) to a ryzen 5 1600X and the performance is way better! In games like bf1 or grw it was constantly 100% usage causing me some really annoying fps drops! With this cpu i get a 75% use when the mess is everywhere and normally it stays on 35-45%. Never has those drops again!"
“I'm still using the i5-3570k overclocked to 4.4Ghz, with 8GB 1800Mhz DDR3. It's a PC I built from 2012. I'm also still using a 1080p monitor at 60hz. It gets me by for most games, but some higher end games are virtually unplayable like AC: Origins, which gets a super unstable 30-40fps with all cores running at 100% at all times. I'm not sure what my 1% lows are, but I get super hard dips making the experience extremely poor.“
"I went from a RX480 and i7 2600 to a Vega 56 Ryzen 3600. Huge difference. It's a great budget combo for 144hz 1080p.
I OC the memory to 950MHz and UV the frequency by 1.5 volts. That gave me better performance and it runs a bit cooler."
In my experience, I would avoid the Strix or AREZ aftermarket vega 56. I used one for about a year before getting the sapphire nitro vega 64 and 3 game deal. The ASUS cooler was very noisy and very hot. Note I was not in an airflow focused case, but neither are most cases. VRM's regularly went above 100C, the highest I saw was 112C. Hotspot temperatures were almost always 20C higher than the core temperature. Combine this heat with the high pitched fans running at high speed and it was insanity, I could hear it through my headset. So I opened the card to try replacing the thermal paste and found the VRM pad did not completely cover the mosfets, it wasn't cut straight and the placement only covered half the last mosfet facing the outside of the case. I bought a 3mm thick thermal grizzly minus pad which dropped vrm temp by almost 15C. But I never could fix the hot spot temperature, it only dropped a couple degrees after multiple applications and remountings. I have a friend who has an AREZ Vega 56 who is very happy with it, though.
No prob with mine, flashed to 64 1650 mhz actual clock and 1150 mhz on the hbm² so it's like a good vega 64
These were $200 about 2-3 weeks ago all day long. You tubers have been making videos about the low prices and now they have gone up lol
Ikr, I refuse to pay a penny more lol
This is why i went from rx580 to v64 at 1440p
what kind of power supply does the Vega 56 needs? Because I remember year ago saying that for the Vega 64 one needs a 750w. I remember that the 56 is a bit less power hungry but still a big power supply is a cost too...
keeping it undervolted actually requires less than a rx 580.
@@TheSilviu8x that in terms of power supply, means that a 500w would be ok?
At $199 is it now worth water cooling? Or the performance could be achieved for a similar price by a new card?
I made a post about Vega on water on this vid if you want to check it out and for me at least it was definitely worth it. Vega on water is insane.
Water blocks can go up to $130 since they are not priced at a used market but custom made part.
Then money is invested in the water system which is $50 average, like pump and such.
would it be smart to upgrade from a rx 580 8gb 8gb?
Starting to see custom models under $200
No one is selling $199 vega 56 cards I have been looking I want one if you have links help a brother out.
Agreed, no $199 Vega's to be found.
I’ve seen many on letgo for 160-200 in the nyc area
NIkko C. But there is nothing now that price is dead it was only when people didn’t want Vegas now that people are looking they vent back up.
jonathon rosalia trade some old shit in to cex then boom £200
They were on eBay for $200 all day long like 2-3 weeks ago. RUclipsrs have been making videos about them which made the prices go up
I remember onec doing these stuff to baked resurrected GPUs.
I found one on Amazon for 240 USD brand new but not sure if my PSU can handle it.
Yes, the Vega 56 are good cards. But they are almost gone from the stores in Sweden. The few cards that are still in stock are exensive. Some modells goes for 700 USD :(
I'd buy it, but I can't find a used one under $300 in my country (Poland), while a new non-reference 5700 costs $400, being a much better option, but being quite expensive already
I ended up getting an R9 290X Tri-X refurbished to replace my artifacting 280X for 400 PLN off Allegro, then I found a GTX 980 Ti Superclocked for 200$ and decided to order that as well... What have I done?
Life is tough, bro. I'm still waiting and can't decide what to buy. At this point I'm starting to think about waiting for Navi 2 with RayTracing for CyberPunk
Good analysis! Personally I'll stick with my 580 and wait for whatever cards come next!
I think the 5700XT is a solid upgrade to the RX 580. Perhaps next year when Nvidia's 3000 series GPUs launch AMD will reposition the 5700XT in the $250 range.
+The Good Old Gamer I'm pretty excited for that. Running a 1080 at 1440p144, and while it's not awful, I'd much prefer a 1080 Ti or 5700XT. This is one of the few channels that actually says good news about the GPU market, while still keeping the bad stuff in. Thanks for your content! :)
Yo Chris.
Any chance of you putting a V64 bios onto that 56 and seeing how far you can clock that lovely reference cards Samsung HBM2?
No. The card is unacceptably loud past 35% fan speed in my opinion. The tested speeds are as fast as I’d recommend using one of these
@@TheGoodOldGamer Chris, don't conflate core clocks with memory clocks. The only substantial things a Vega 64 BIOS will do to a Samsung HBM Vega 56 are increase the HBM voltage from 1.25V to 1.35V (actual voltage, not what wattman says), increase peak boost clocks (pstate 7 basically) from 1590mhz to 1630mhz, and increase the default power limit from 150W (75-225W from -50% to +50%) to 220W (110W-330W from -50% to +50%).
Increasing memory clocks has absolutely no effect on power consumption, and bestows free performance as the Vega cards are absolutely starved for memory bandwidth, especially if you use higher resolutions. And with the Vega 64 BIOS, you can still cap it to ~150W at -30% (or -32% for more precision) power limit, and for 135W, just set it to -40% (or -39% for more precision). You're limited to a minimum of 110W instead of 75W, however, but 110W isn't that bad, especially if you can ramp up the HBM clocks to at least 1100mhz. And if you're into going slightly more nitty gritty, you can also grab AMD Memory Tweak and tighten the HBM timings even more. It's good stuff, really helped with me.
By the way, in your video it says Wattman ignores the power targets you put in unlike MSI Afterburner. Do you, by any chance, use an HDMI cable to connect your card with your monitor? There's a little something that's bugging me I need to figure out, and I want to hear from your side too.
@@TheGoodOldGamer if you are on samsung memory then you get that speed from memory speedup...
Increased memory speed decreased available power to core clocks. There was a performance regression. At 1250-1350Mhz increased memory speed does nothing.
@@TheGoodOldGamer, as Jon Smith stated, the hbm2 from Samsung benefits from that bios flashing, bicause of the voltage bump. The catch is that increasing the speed will switch to the next set of timings, nullifying the gains.
With that program, ( I've never seen it myself also), there is possible to keep them tight again, at least in theory.
So, with the increase in voltage from the 64 bios, the tightened timings and around 1100mhz with Samsung only ram, the performance gained is really important.
Faster core clock+power consumption is not that relevant anyway, bicause of the very same issue, ram speed/latency, (not the total bandwidth).
Also, for my model, Gigabyte gaming Oc, which runs flawlessly by the way, I don't know yet, if it is possible to upgrade the bios to the 64 version. Now that I've seen this possibly to change the timings, I'll look into it more interested.
Put a Morpheus on my msi air boost v64 love it very easy mod and ive never seen my card break 60c even under full load vega are great cards just hot and loud but theres ways to by pass that if willing to put a bit of effort passed just buiying it. 350 for the card 75ish for the Morpheus cooler that was like year and a half ago no complaints
I have Morpheus on my 1080 with two corsair high static pressure fans and i agree. Barely goes above 60. I got the all black version. Looks very good.
Why did you test 570 instead of 590?
I gathered that his choices were based on what gamers likely are using now that might be considering upgrading to a Vega 56. If someone recently bought an RX 590 they would not as likely be already looking to get something like a Vega 56. It's a matter of "Who would most likely be considering one of these today?".
do you guys think buying a vega 56 for $200, and selling my rx 570 for $100 would be a good idea? I'm afraid of buying a used 56 now and then the prices of the 5700's dropping right after
Yup
I Need help
Ryzen 5 1600 Vega 56
Or
Ryzen 5 2600 rx 580
Vega 56 240€
Rx 580 179€
I want play 1080p 60fps or more
Nice! love this episode! btw, Vega 64 MSI air boost here in japan are only 300 usd tax included. while navi XT aib cards are around 536 usd average. (tax included for all cards). Should i buy Vega 64 over XT? i have 1440p 144hz freesync monitor.
Do it. Blowers are a bit loud, but you can undervolt the core hardcore to 1V, OC the HBM2 to 1100mhz + tighten the timings via AMD Memory Tweak, and get some sick performance gains just from wringing out every ounce of power from the HBM alone, especially in 4K.
@@qpwoeiruty668 thanks for the idea. what about core clocks and power limit? also, is amd memory tweak the same on OCing via wattman?
You don't need to bother with Core Clocks, really. Just set the max voltage to 1V and see what's the highest core clock you can achieve with that voltage; if it's stable at stock clocks without messing around, you're golden. For power limit, feel free to leave it to 0% but you can experiment, as it just governs how much power your Vega can consume, the default 0% setting allowing for a max of 220W (it really won't consume more at 1V tbh). And AMD Memory Tweak is a standalone program developed originally for mining which allows you to tweak the timings of your Vega's HBM2 the same way you can tweak your RAM in the BIOS settings; it should be used together with Wattman to eke out every ounce of performance from your HBM2 after you've settled on a stable memory frequency.
@@qpwoeiruty668 i see, core clocks really dont add to fps always right? thanks a lot for these great info. I'm kinda new to amd memory timing tweaks but i will look that up on the net and study.
For Vega, not that much (as in, it'll add fps, but less than you'd expect and the added power draw isn't worth it). You're better off overclocking the HBM, as the card really craves memory bandwidth and it's free FPS without any added power consumption. Tweaking Vega is somewhat necessary, but once you've given it some love, it'll more than love you back. Have fun with your new Vega!
Another thing you have to think about is the power consumption. I love vega but I didn't get one because of that.
@@vablo7198 Not to mention the stress on your PSU. IF you have a good enough psu.
undervolting is a must have when you have a vega card
Newegg has a Sapphire, big dual fans, 8GB for $199. :)
Almost sounds like “VayGay” 2:54
My blower fan is fine. Most I get is 30c
Gtx 1080 can be easily had on UK used market for the same as a vega 56 and performance is in a different league as well as being more efficient and quieter.
As much as i do like amd way more than nvidia, i would recommend the 1080 without hesitation.
I don't see 1080s for under £250 :/
yeah I was talking about bidding. It's hard to get one now.
And I'd consider a Vega 56 to be a better purchase since it's cheaper and will age significantly better.
And with an undervolted aib model, it can have 95% the performance of a 1080
@@shehrozkhan9563 well good luck in getting whatever is best for you.
I'm waiting for 5800xt or whatever AMD has above the 5700.
We are at a point where new cands are great but too expansive. I hope no one buys new cards so we can get back to normal prices next gen. Depending of you bugged, get the 580, vega56 mod it and get 64 performance or on the high end 1080ti.. that under 400 is a steal imo.
Regarding 5700 non xt pricing in the us I've seen the blower models for $280
Can i run this gpu with Antec Neo Eco Classic 550w 80+ Bronze??
Just a heads up Vega 64 bios flash only works on 56 reference cars that are part of the early batch. Later Vega 56 reference didnt run samsung hbm. Non reference vega 56 none run samsung hbm so a Vega 64 bios flash will not work.
My Vega 56 Pulse have Samsung memory. I doesn't really matter anyway because I can't flash a Vega 64 bios on it with ATI Flash. I've read you could force the flash trough cmd but I'm not willing to try that.
Obviously this will not be the case for all V56's, especially the reference models, but I have a Sapphire Pulse one, so it can easily do 1550 (1590 set as p7) mhz on the core clock at decent noise levels, undervolted to 1030mv. It also has samsung hbm2 memory, before I flashed a V64 bios memory could be oc'ed from 800 to 940 mhz, with the V64 bios it can do 1100 in most games but I left it at 1060 since a couple of games were more senstitive to it and crashed, so a huge memory oc. And with these settings it does significantly better than the numbers in the video at 1440p, I'd say I got about 20% better numbers, in Shadow of the Tomb Raider I actually used Radeon Chill since fps was going above my 75 hz refresh rate, but I was basically getting the 1080p framerates from the video but at 1440p.
Yes, I used to have the same model. P7 set @ 1652MHz + 1080mv.
Memory set to 950Mhz, but with a V56 bios. It performed far better than the stock blower version and was quiet and cool.
I got a RTX 2060 used on Amazon for $256
Well.. everyone complains of the cooler, BUT it isn't any worse than your regular Nvidia reference cooler, it's just the temperature target which is a bit optimistic, after all nvidia reference gpus ran @84c. Of course if you want to keep it under 75c it will be loud AF...
Great results
How does the 580 handle 4k resolutions... I will be doing CAD and video editing ... NO gaming?
24SevenMarketing not good.
If you don't game an rx 560 is fine for 4k screens & video editing ruclips.net/video/a20QRW162ZQ/видео.html
Flash Vega 64 into vega56 undervolt it and you’ll get close to 1080 perf for 200$
Did you get that backwards?
doesn´t that mean your leaving out fucntional cores when doing this thing?
even without doing that you already get 1080 level performance with a momery oc and +50% power. stock it's 9% slower, and doing those things increases the performance by 10+%
@@thespanishinquisition7560 That´s a trade off you can live with, for as long as the performance isn´t very much off.
Yeah... NO. Only if you have Samsung memory, luck and VERY good cooling.
guys help me out,
rx 580 8 gigs = 210$
vega 56= 340$
prices are high here, which one should i go for??
An rx580 is good enough. For help community.amd.com/community/support-forums/drivers-software
I am just gonna wait for the Polaris replacement Navi card that is most likely coming this year or early next year RX 570 is starting to fall a bit probably has 1 more year in it for max settings and RX 580 I’d say probably will last till early 2021 of course this is just speculation I feel Navi is gonna age A LOT better tho.