Idk but Hub just dropped a very similar video where the x3d with 6000mhz memory pretty much wins in most scenarios compared to 13900k and 13700k using 7200mhz ddr5. And the Intel systems draw 106 wats more on average how depending on game and its not with just peak power usage. The x3d system never used more than 450 wats when the intel systems used over 600 wats in some games.
Intel fanboys just cant take truth, also we just wait for 14gen with like 50+w more power draw...good job staying at 10nm... Atm intel is so far behind with technology that two new generations will be make at TSMC 😁
So i had 12600k 5.0ghz OC, and i had bigger single core scores then they get with 12900k. Later i tried 5.2ghz and i was miles ahead. So, i dont trust reviewers, actually there's small number of top reviwers you can trust like 99% things they say. Now the question is also, what setup, what board and bios, what do they do with cpus, dont tell me they run all core boost we all saw their single core is miles behind what we users get at home...
@@BacaPC "I had bigger single core scores then they get with 12900k" > Maybe because you had different BIOS, RAM, motherboard, clock speed, tuning, etc. ?
Power consumption??? Stock configurations??? Temperatures??? 7800X3D can be cooled with Deepcool AK620 easily, for 13600K it is beyond imaginable. Pure Intel fanboyism. Wasted time.
@@TV-xv1le "If all you do is game and limit power" ???? Would anyone with sane mind buy 13900 only for games and to power/clock limit ???? That is so stupid!!
@@DoktorHaus014 Tell that to people like der8auer who showed you can power limit a 13900k CPU and still get 95%+ of the performance while making it incredibly efficient. But go on about it being stupid. Plenty of people have shown you can air cool a 13900K for gaming. Somehow you seem to think you need to water cool even just a 13600K. If you go with an AIO its not much better than a high end air cooler either. The more you know. And as to why get a 13900k? Or even just a 13700k? Because the 7800x3d is worthless in anything outside of gaming if you ever use your computer for productivity.
@@TV-xv1le 7800X3D is about 20% slower in ADOBE software than 13900K but with MUCH... M U C H less power consumption and heat. That is what I would do with it if I have 7800X3D. For less money, less need for expensive cooling and unbelievably less power you get 20% less speed but way more efficient CPU. This comparison with 13600K in this video is just Intel fanboyism and deserve nothing but resentment.
@@DoktorHaus014 It's not "fanboyism" if its facts. Also 13900K ~ 25% in adobe. Upwards of double in other workloads. GOG (this channel) literally showed cooling a 13900K with a $15 cooler. The 7800x3d costs to much for what it is. The power difference in just gaming is negligible we are talking about a few dollars per year. With power limits even less and still getting 95 to nearly 100% of the gaming performance. And you still have a CPU at the end of the day that's useful for anything else you throw at it. But to each their own.
Why don't you provide the averages? You already have the data from when you collected the 1% lows. More data is better than less data. I just don't see the point in excluding what could be useful information.
I start think ,this man make this type of video ( remember the drama he start with HU....) for be just different. 😄 The underdog competitor obsession become a little to much in this type of videos. I start watch him ( not anymore) 3-4 years ago ,and the Radeon love vs Nvidia hate , did take my attention. It feels the same as now , with the AMD vs Intel he did start about 1-2y ago. I would like He go back to talk about old stuff ,like he was before , like the channel name suggest : Old good gamer.
There's definitely something off with those MW2 results, no other benchmarks that I've seen show such massive differences between Intel and AMD. The analysis that both chips also need the same cooling is horribly flawed to boot on account of Ryzen 7000 being designed to boost according to thermal targets. There is a reason coolers are rated in terms of wattage, not temperature and to claim that a CPU that holds 189 watts is easier to cool than one that holds 120 is straight up BS.
@@AdrianMuslim yeah given the obvious misinformation posted here I trust HUB's testing more. I mean both are great gaming products but I feel Chris has definitely become a pro Intel channel of late.
@@Shane-PhillipsProbably just to make sure they don’t go out of business. I don’t blame him, competition is good for the consumers. But it’s clear AMD is still kicking intels butt in the high end gaming front.
So you bench a total of 9 games, show us a tiny sliver of the data, and then conclude that the 13600k with DDR4 >= 7800X3D to the contrary of every other hardware publication. You even have the 5800X3D beating a 7800X3D in one of those charts... this seems like a waste of time.
wich would you recommend instead? I'm doubting between one of these AMD Ryzen 5 7600 (X) AMD Ryzen 7 7700X AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Intel Core i5 13600K (F)
@@Dailyrider94 depends what gpu u planning use,for games - 7600 is good if u not planning go higher then 4070/7800xt(and will be cheaper to repleace if u planning later upgrade), ignore 7700x and just go to 7800x3d(like 100$ more now) if u want decent gpu(7900XT/XTX/4080/4090), 5800x3d is decent upgrade but only if ur already on AM4(if ur not just ignore that - i repleaced my 3600 for 5800x3D), 13600 is also decent upgrade(same 4070ti/7900XT gpu max for stable work) but intel platform will be dead in like few months(14gen launch soon-dont expect miracles its just lifting with more W usage...) one plus for intel is if ur working on ur pc - thats what Ecores are for
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 Yeah intels more cores isn't really much higher. The other e cores are not that powerfull as p cores. They making more e cores than p cores.
"Raptor Lake CPUs draw much more power, but they're much easier to cool." I love how you just can't keep a straight face while shoveling this drivel out.
Sounds like you have not tested it. This is accurate info. A tuned Raptor Lake cpu is significantly more efficient than AM5 on average, while also being able to pull more power when needed; as it is a more capable platform.
For the people confused in the comments with HUB's recent video the results are different because of the sample size, games tested and ofc hardware and silicon quality not taking any OC into account even if both rigs were identical results could still vary by quite a noticeable margin. The truth is from a neutral point of view both platforms have their pluses & minuses however if you only care about gaming most modern midrange to high end Cpu's from either team will net you the performance you're looking for unless you're looking for something more niche such as 1080p extreme high refresh rate where you would want to check the specific games you play on each platform for the best results.
Very informative video, it would be nice to see 4k comparisons as well for the cpus in the video as I'm deciding which cpu will go to my living room pc for 4k story/single player gaming and which one stays in my desktop pc for esports/sim racing gaming. Thanks for the work you put into making this video!
I think it's kinda weird that we get the 1% low numbers. Sure, that is the more important number that we all would like to see, but 1% lows can change heavily depending on the game and cpu combination. For example, as another person pointed out, Cyberpunk 2077 has a bug (or lack of polish rather) in its engine right now with Ryzen CPUs that has 8 or more threads I believe. I had a 2700 (8c 16t) some months ago, and with a mod that fixes the SMT in Cyberpunk 2077, my 1% lows improved by a lot. Sure, we can't say whether it's AMD's fault or CDProjectRed's fault, but as we've seen, 1% lows can be very dependent on the game's optimization.
They officially rolled out an SMT fix for 6 core Ryzen CPUs in one of the first patches for this game. But then they claimed that 8+ core Ryzens perform "as expected", so did not bother to fix SMT issue for higher count core CPUs even since. What a shame.
@@stangamer1151 Yeah I remember that but 8 core Ryzen CPU's can get extra 20fps, it's embarrassing if you ask me, Ryzen 3000 was already out by the time the game came out and we are now another 2 generations past that, it's start to look like it's done on purpose honestly
@@NBWDOUGHBOY Yeah I do, 95% of people don't overclock and Steve used 7200Mhz ram for the i9. I have a 3 x 360mm CLC with 16 fans and I keep my stuff stock even though I know how to overclock, none of my friends overclock either his benchmarks make more sense that this one's here who are for that maybe 5% of people who do
@@adi6293 Having the best hardware and not testing them in their best Configuration possible is Stupid as hell. It makes no. If you don't Overclock then you are just a novice pc builder. A tuned system will show you the best case scenario. The thing HUB does is Hamper one system and boost another. And many ppl who actually know about PCs knows HUB is full of Shlt. So you have fun with that one my man. I don't care about 95% of Novice pc users do with their systems most of them should be buying a pre-built or console anyway. If you are not showing the products at their best you are omitting information and should not be trusted. Period. Point Blank.
@@adi6293 higher frequency ram is useless if it's not tuned, you just get more bandwidth which is useless for most games but similar latency, that's why steve can't find much of a difference
I just want to play games not tune memory and overclock cpu, i did that with LN2 and dice in my time and that was exciting but this tunning thing is just pain in the ass. Thats why AMD is selling x3d with such price, its plug and play in and few mins it powers your 4090.. from in Intel you have to extract preformace and that sucks, ofc every tunner will recomend you to buy Intel, otherwise he would be out of business.
I wish you had shown the 13600k stock performance for more of a comparison. I’m building a friend a top of the line system and he doesn’t have the experience or want to try overclocking. Given his budget for the system I went with the 7800x3d and 4090 so he doesn’t have to deal with overclocking. Much better cheaper system than the 13900k and 4080 prebuilt he was looking at
Totally agree. I don't know why he can't do stock. I know his channel is for overclockers, but for normies it would be helpful. Unfortunately he won't get more of an audience, but I know he knows it. He is doing what his financial supporters want.
That's exactly why hub exists. For normies who just want to plug and play their shit. This channel is literally showing you the other side of the coin. Not rocket science
@@thaNZdon yeah going into price performance and showing the value of tuning is exactly why I like this channel. Just saying that is useful to see the difference between stock and tuned performance. Gives you a better idea of how much performance is on the table from stock. It also would have been useful to know total system cost
To be fair I think you should be comparing all processors at factory defaults, with the same sticks of DDR5, and a 360 AIO or top of the line air cooler to minimise thermal bottlenecks. I appreciate you're heavily into min/maxing performance and it's interesting to see what you can get when OC'd, most people I expect will run stock these days, as tuning for gains just doesn't net the same benefit that it used too, and massively increases power draw typically for mediocre gains. You should also state on your larger average text at 3:45 that the 13600K numbers were also based on an OC'd chip. The small text states it, but the larger text does not, which isn't representative of the result. I presume the 13600K score is based on an OC'd result, not stock clocks. The text leaves it open to interpretation, you specifically refer to the 7800X3D as "stock" and "overclocked", but don't indicate the 13600K as being overclocked in your commentry in this portion of the video at least. In fairness you should have included stock and OC'd results for the 13600K if you wanted to show OC potential for both chips. Just my opinion anyway.
Just to add, I think it's kinda weird that he only shows 1% low numbers. Sure, that is the more important number that we all would like to see, but 1% lows can change heavily depending on the game and cpu combination. For example, as another person pointed out, Cyberpunk 2077 has a bug (or lack of polish rather) in its engine right now with Ryzen CPUs that has 8 or more threads I believe. I had a 2700 (8c 16t) some months ago, and with a mod that fixes the SMT in Cyberpunk 2077, my 1% lows improved by a lot. Sure, we can't say whether it's AMD's fault or CDProjectRed's fault, but as we've seen, 1% lows can be very dependent on the game's optimization.
Additionally, it's just weird to see a "half-ass tuned" 13600K matching a 7800X3D in his tests. From all the reviews I've seen, all using DDR5 6400+ for the 13600K overclocked and DDR5 6000 for the 7800X3D stock mind you, the AMD cpu is about 10% ahead in both average and 1%. And again, I'll remind everyone that the reviews I'm referring to are not sensationalist, dramatized RUclips views, I'm referring to well-thought-out reviews in text form, plus meta analysis charts that all point to a similar conclusion. So yeah, I don't get why a DDR4, half-tuned 13600K would match a stock 7800X3D in his tests (again, we don't know the average since he only shows 1% low numbers)
@@Salty_Nutella I believe that was due to the chiplet design of Ryzen CPU, and if threads that needed to cross communicate over the infinity fabric, instead of all being run off one chiplet, it caused a latency /bandwidth penalty. It was just bad core assignment I believe, and could be fixed by scheduling the threads better
Nooo, but so many channels do that and it shows a clear misunderstanding of system use case and memory performance for a given application. But "to be fair" using that logic we use 4800 dimms that nobody is going to actually use.. or 8000 dimms this time and Intel wins by default since AMD can't even compete.. Literally 99% of red/blue comparisons are a nothing burger because they did use the same/wrong speed kits in both, often putting red in the cherry spot and slowing down blue. Even then gimped out blue still won in half the benches.. as far as 7800X3D I understand options are limited much like the Jitterbug phone, whereas the 13600K has a few ways to tune it depending on system capability and application. For example: my 12700K @5.3 w/HT gets 25K in CB @220W. @5.4 w/HT gets 26K @266w. But @5.6 w/oHT gets 20K @180w full load and 11w idle.. Now if I popped a 13600K into my system with a similar tune to my 12700K, I would reasonably say 6.0 w/oHT and drop down to 5.6 for heavy load applications to control thermals. The 14900K should be able to hit 5.6 at minimal voltage while also topping around 6.4 though so good stuff.
@@Salty_Nutella System latency. Tuned DDR4 B-die needs 7200-7600+ DDR5 to match it in latency of around 45ns, tuned DR 6400 is around 55ns, just XMP is prolly 60-70ns. The X3D cpus + XMP 6000-6400 is mostly tuned out of the box + sweet spot memory.. Tune the 13600K to 6.0 all core/ 5.6 base paired w/ 7600 A-die 45ns and run it back for more accurate results
Love the content, keep it up! I love this kind of content seeing how performance scales with tuning. The only thing I wish it was lightly touch is the emulation power compared to the Intel because it is not easy to find online. Thanks again Chris for your unbiased and hard work.
I don't get the point 150 fps vs 155fps in gaming. You only see the difference if you turn fps count on. You should probably be looking at perceiveable difference in performance like compilation time, rendering time, boot time. You get visible differences in games where frame rates are under 100 fps.
@AdrianMuslim My question is- does it even matter when both run pretty much neck to neck on all fps numbers and both give frame rates above 150 fps on most games.
Hello Chris.i watched your video on this 7800x3d chip.harware unboxing had a recent video with this chip vs i9 13900k that was beating the intel chip.how could this be if it can't beat a 13600k???.thank you for the great content...
I don't know,my friend, how you got these numbers,the only thing we saw were graphs with 0.1% lows at 1080p without any context,you show numbers from 58003DX oc,what do you mean by oc,at what frequency is the processor running,do you have an extreme motherboard with an external clock generator or you just run a + 3% which gives a frequency of 4.6GHz?Also my numbers are much better at least in the 2 games I have installed on my computer GoW and Witcher III,the first gives me a result of 132 fps and the second 189 fps at 1080p,1% low,also you will apologize for your older video where you called AMD graphics as fake for the performance between the 5800x3d and the 7800x3d which not only turned out to be true but in some cases were even better.Sorry, but this is not a good job on your part.
i have a question i have this cpu with a msi mag x670e tomahawk wifi is there any settings in bios i have/want to change for bether performance on those cpu's, im new to the newer gen amd cpu's. i have been googling arround but there are not to many bios/motherboards vids out there and so far have not seen any vids with a motherboard from msi. i have seen on the msi page there whas somthing in it i could enable enhanced boost mode or somthing but when i look into my bios nothing like that is there so idk pls let me know:D.
Yeaaaaaaah, but the intel platform won't have an upgrade path, AM5 will for many years to come. I'd gladly pay extra for an AM5 system just for that luxury.
On WW channel sales for R7K, 7900X continues to be the best seller clearing down 14.3% in the prior two weeks and on volume 7800X3D is the best seller < 15% but 7900X outsells 7800X3D by 3.5 to 1. R5K, salles were robust from 6.30 into 7.15 but slow again in the last two weeks 5900X is the best seller followed by 5800X3D interesting parallel and the volume of sales is far lower than 7900X +7800X3D combined that outsell 5900X + 5800X3D by 4.2 to 1. What did sell really well in the prior 6 weeks is 13900KS that outsold 13900K by 1.8 to 1 where KS almost sold out. Suggest some buyers decided not to wait for 14th i9. All other Raptor is basically stalled the movers are 9KS and 9K and sales of those two SKUs alone brought 13th WW available down < 23%. 13600K saw a slight increase in WW channel available inventory. Alder desktop is another story all SKUs selling and full line clears down < 27.4%, 12700K is the volume mover followed by 12700 and 12900KS/K. mb
Is your 1080P MW2 7800X3D data abnormal. The hardware unboxed display shows that the two platforms of% 1low are almost identical in this game, why is the CPU gap so huge in your place?
Actually on Hardware Unboxed review AMD CPU is better in most games and less power hungry and overall is better. Not to mention the LAG on intel sistems. Just a mention, I have an intel system and the lag is there and I felt it there since I first got it, so not a fan boy. Intel is going down the drain instead of improviong.
@@Ph42oN Yes. Intel has a problem. For example if you do something in a program and decide to alt+tab to another opened program, randomly, the CPU is kinda freezing not knowing what to do and that with 64GB memory, so the program is in memory, not accessing ssd or hdd. This doesn't happen on AMD (made some AMD ryzen 7000 series PCs for my friends). AMD is snappier.
Hardware unboxed is biased af. Of course they will recommend AMD. You should have seen them making excuses for AMD for paying developers to dis-include DLSS, that was very telling I thought. Honestly it wouldnt surprise me to learn that AMD are paying those guys.
Why do these youtubers keep reviewing hardware and use OCing as the reason to buy something and then leave out all other data points. We need full system power draw from the wall... not this Sofware calculation of just the CPU. All FPS data as well. I've been building PCs for 20 years. I was a regular OCer on xtremesystems. OCing degrades hardware, nuff said, facts matter. These Posted OC's are never 100% stable 24/7. Running Prime small ffts for 12hours... please. Brian, AKA Chew* use to bust these lies all the time. The OCs work fine for a couple weeks and then you have the behind-the-scenes corruption of the OS etc. Motherboard matters as well; cheaper boards tend to be far less stable over time. They will tell you to buy a chip and OC it and in the same breath pick out a board that is cheap and will never be able to sustain good OCing, just the price looks favorable over the one they don't want you to buy. There's always someone that will say. "My CPU has been maxed OC for 5 years, no problems"... I call BS. We have a "wall of shame" at work of Dead Intel CPUs from over the years, well we have 1 AMD also. These are from desktop and Server chips alike. Fact is that majority of buyers will buy and leave stock. No, they shouldn't HAVE to learn to OC. That's like telling people they HAVE to learn to tune when they buy a car. Buy what you want and what you like. Don't let anyone change your mind. I own 2 Intel and 5 AMD rigs at my house and haven't had issues with any of them.
Imagine if a RUclipsr caters to a niche audience that likes to overclock. Is that allowed to exist ? If you want stock numbers go look at Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed, they do a great job of that.
@@lechf They can exist, that's fine. Don't tell people that chip A is better than Chip B just because "OverClock". Not all chips OC the same, milage will very. And agreed, people should watch Gamers Nexus, hands down they do a far better job of reviewing hardware than anyone else on this platform.
Unfortunately over here in Germany, we don't get to see these great prices on Z690 DDR4 motherboards (just the NZXT N5 is at 120 EUR, better boards are still 180 EUR+) or Intel CPU deals (12700KF: 290 EUR / 13600KF: 300 EUR - each incl. 19% VAT) . Also the insane electricity costs over here are also a point for AMD that alters the total cost of ownership equation. The conclusion is still valid though as the 7800X3D is way too overpriced for what it delivers, especially if you factor in productivity tasks.
@@RocketRenton Let's see what 14th Gen brings to the low end. As Intel sold re-branded Alder Lake dies below the 13600K, I wasn't too keen on these parts due to the significantly lower cache they bring to the table.
If Intel's 14th gen can comfortably beat 7000X3D I'm pretty sure we will see price cuts. The main reason I wouldn't go Intel right now is because they are at the end of the line for their current socket.
@googleuser7531 I have a 13900k rig too, and the 7800X3D consistently has better lows. 5-10 fps usually but it’s there from what I’ve benchmarked. Run my 13900k 5.7 P cores 4.5 e cores 5.1 ring with 7200mhz ddr5. Maybe with an Nvidia GPU it’s different but this is with SAM on with 7900XTX. Id still use the 13900k over it only for productivity with good gaming performance. But if I was just gaming I’d 100% use the 7800X3D
Great video! The denial in the comments is pretty hilarious! "Bu-..but HUB said 7800X3D is the FASTEST!!!! REEE this can't be!!!!" Yes if you're a dunce cap and don't ever want to load into a bios screen then sure.
It doesn't really matter to me which of these cpus are fastest, but "tuning" a system isn't so easy as to call everyone who doesn't do it a dunce. Imagine ram tuning (not just xmp) for the average person, then throw in hours to days stability testing for the rare intermittent error. For Most people it isn't worth the hassle and headaches for what will most likely not make them a better gamer anyway. 🤷♂
You should include games that actually make good use of the V-cache. Tarkov, Squad, and other "upgrade resistant" games come to mind, along with simulators. In those titles, the 7800X3D rips Intel a new one, it's not even close. The 7800X3D has lower clocks and obviously loses in games where clock speed matters most.
A bit distracting but your glasses are so bent its distracting. Set them on a table top and the temples will not lay flat. Get them adjusted so your eyes are looking through the optical centers. You are creating vertical prism by wearing them crooked, the eyes do not move up/down as well as in/out. Many places do it for free.
Great job with the conclusion. At the end of the day it's about best bang for the fuck for many of us and alderlake + ddr4 is the pick... that or just get a 5800x3D if you are on a am4 platform.
Amd has never killed Intel nor has Intel killed Amd. Both are still alive, very much so and the fans are drooling over marginal fps differences every year, just like they always have. YAWN. The same old story will continue, tune in next year to see the same shitty show.
great video. good to know the 13600k is such a solid cpu. i have a 13700k. if i would have known the 13600k was that good i would have bought that instead and saved some money
not hating but i think its funny how you always bash others for promoting affiliate links but youve been doing it like crazy lately. i know you make it seem like a joke so it doesnt make you look like a hypocrite but its been like every pod and video lately. lol.
I like how people say 'In My Opinoin' a lot here... but Is it tough...?... because most here are just telling the same nonsense that 'youtubers' have been spewing for the past 10 years... OC isn't worth it anymore (bla bla bla)... but if you'd tested (or looked for it)... you'll know that by tuning your system, you are able to get next gen performance... 1 or 2 years in advance with less power... most of the time. it's not as it use to be... now it mostly involve memory tuning... Don't forget youtuber are just here to sell, entertain, not to help, inform you... so the all narrative that OC isn't worth it anymore is for there own (lazy) interest... BTW those guys that spend their time telling you that OC is dead are the same that 'push' product with barely 10% more perf... but tell you at the same time, Don't OC, not worth it... when we know that, between a well tuned system and a stock one, you can easily get above 20% on averages (and above 40% for 1% lows...)
Many other tests show 7800X3D being faster than 13900k on average, is it that intel gets nice gains from overclocking making but 7800X3D not? Also, i dont see any z690 boards sold for any less than 120€, and that cheapest one looks like way crappier VRM than that $65msi board you linked. Thats great deal with prices you show, but they are not so cheap everywhere, here it would be like 450€ for decent z690+12700kf.
Intel is just not worth the hassle. Amd is cheaper rn in 2024 it has plug n' play going for it where intel needs to be tunned to its max to compare to amd + dead end platform.......
Why are your numbers so stark from Hardware Unboxed? Also, 90% of users do3nt OC, those are the numbers that matter. Making a baseline video is key, then a separate OC video to show potential. This video just completely craps across the board with no baseline for normal users. Without a control, your data seems moot, because there's nothing to compare it too. My biggest question now is "why did you even make this video?" because Hardware Unboxed did?
Because HUB can't OC, and doesn't use optimal components for their testing (7200 RAM is nowhere near optimal for intel BTW) GOG does, HUGE difference... I've independently done this same testing and came up with similar results. Only time I would recommend AMD for gaming is if someone doesn't want to OC.
@@fist003 newbs that watch this are going to legit think a 13600k is just as good as a 7800X3D or 13700k or 13900k, because as far as they know these ARE baseline numbers for a 13600k....THEY AREN'T! I guess I'm more conscious about people who aren't as tech savvy as I.
Just such a power hog to OC that 13600k. Need better cooler, better psu, and honestly it's overall more $$$ than the 7800x3d that is already on sale...
Great video. Of course, Idiots in the chat are clueless and gonna blindly follow that other Shill Channel. But I appreciate the honest review. I like the fact that you show 1% lows because That is the best indicator of how smooth the performance will be. The fact that the 7800X3D is $450 makes it an Automatic Nope for me. An 8 core processor shouldn't cost more than $300 bucks in 2023. If this CPU was $350 then there could be a conversation that its the one to go for but, There are similarly priced professors that you more For that same money. Its not fast enough to warrant that price tag. Good testing.
@@NBWDOUGHBOY oh man i know a lot at that matter, they do but not really in games(maybe just improve that 1% lows what we get tested). This tests are just cherrypicked to look great and thats problem...
@@Decki777im just staying on my 5800x3d to like zen6, unless intel show us something that dont require shhty tons of electricity to runs(10nm process and only way to make it equal was just add more power to clock higher...still impressive feat tho)
if AMD was half the price as intel i would consider them in a second rig. for my main rig avoiding the AMDip is worth its weight in gold just for the peace of mind.
chris, you should go watch the hub video on this exact subject only using the i9. what i found interesting was that they had to use amd sponsored games that had crazy perf differences in order to sku the results. their power results were 100w+ in some cases. the extra power use isnt much of a surprise though if you have half a brain. intel is using 10nm while amd is using 5nm. baased on that alone you would think intel wouldnt have a chance in hell. its quite impressive they can not only keep pace but beat them as well. it'll be interesting to see how it goes when amd doesnt have a 5 node advantage for power usage. personally i dont care about power usage tbh. my current rig is a 13900k and a 4090.
Great video, even if you leave it stock IMO 7800x3d is not worth the price, I would buy the 12700k for 240$ any day even if I had to leave it stock, the extra 10% are not worth triple the price for the platform. lol I see the AMD fanboys didn't like the video and prefer HUBs idiotic but favorable numbers, just ignore them, we know the truth, they can keep living in lala land.
@@OneDollaBill well i just upgraded my old 3600 to 5800x3d and i will stay on it for some time...also get 6950xt cos its cheapest gpu for 4k gaming atm
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 solid choises. Since youre already on am4 motherboard the x3d is big upgrade from 3600. Ans the 6000 GPU lineup with current prices is pretty much best value there is. Unless you really care about ray tracing.
Or you can buy a 13700k right now from Microcenter for $390 and be happy. As good in gaming. Better in literally everything else. Literally cheaper. The power usage difference in gaming is negligible. Idk how anyone defends the overpriced x3d cpus. Maybe 1% of people care about the upgrade cycle. 99% of people wont have to get a new cpu for 5+ years especially just for gaming. The dead platform argument is so stupid because most people are not swapping cpus yearly.
To be honest I ran bench vs Hardware Unboxed from yesterday 7800x3d vs 13900ks and I smoked his all line up. With 13900ks 6.0 4.6 Ddr5 8000 49ns On avarage my rig was 20 fps more than Hardware Unboxed 13900k
@@facegamefps6725 Thats the thing, thers no tunnig with ryzen build just slap n' play also you will have to replace both cpu and mb for your next upgrade while ryzen needs only cpu change.
@@fiece4767 who gives a shit if i replace it with 1851 z890 motherboard? It will come with wifi7 etc… you will need to do same if you want all of that.
@@facegamefps6725 You are right, who gives a shit when you have a whole lot of money that you dont know what to do with. Wifi7 he says, heh who gives a f. Main improtant things stay the same but you need another mb upgrade, typical from intel. Same shit different day and we only started with gen5 things.......
It’s sad that one of the techtuber who tune their system for reviews has stopped due to lack of support from brain dead amd fanboys, 🥲 pls come back! 🙇🏻♂️
Idk but Hub just dropped a very similar video where the x3d with 6000mhz memory pretty much wins in most scenarios compared to 13900k and 13700k using 7200mhz ddr5. And the Intel systems draw 106 wats more on average how depending on game and its not with just peak power usage. The x3d system never used more than 450 wats when the intel systems used over 600 wats in some games.
Intel fanboys just cant take truth, also we just wait for 14gen with like 50+w more power draw...good job staying at 10nm...
Atm intel is so far behind with technology that two new generations will be make at TSMC 😁
are you running an all amd build?
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 are you running an all amd build?
@@parkersgarage4216 no im not. I have 0 brand loyalty. Intels efficiency is just garbage on the higher end chips.
This is the guy that posted a video saying the 13600k 6 core is dead. Basically a troll click bait channel.
I wish other people would put more emphasis into 1% lows like you do instead of always focusing on the average. It's what's important.
until u play COD and stutter festival
*7800X3D beats 13900K in most games according to Hardware Unboxed's latest video.*
So i had 12600k 5.0ghz OC, and i had bigger single core scores then they get with 12900k. Later i tried 5.2ghz and i was miles ahead. So, i dont trust reviewers, actually there's small number of top reviwers you can trust like 99% things they say. Now the question is also, what setup, what board and bios, what do they do with cpus, dont tell me they run all core boost we all saw their single core is miles behind what we users get at home...
this guy, Frame Chasers,Luumi , derbauer.
From mainstream, i like Optimum Tech also, not bad .
@@BacaPC "I had bigger single core scores then they get with 12900k"
> Maybe because you had different BIOS, RAM, motherboard, clock speed, tuning, etc. ?
@@BacaPCYour comparation dont make sense lol xD they run at stock condition and u bring your OC result in 😂
Power consumption??? Stock configurations??? Temperatures??? 7800X3D can be cooled with Deepcool AK620 easily, for 13600K it is beyond imaginable. Pure Intel fanboyism. Wasted time.
You can cool a 13900k with an air cooler also if all you do is game. Especially if you power limit. This guy literally did it in another video.
@@TV-xv1le "If all you do is game and limit power" ???? Would anyone with sane mind buy 13900 only for games and to power/clock limit ???? That is so stupid!!
@@DoktorHaus014 Tell that to people like der8auer who showed you can power limit a 13900k CPU and still get 95%+ of the performance while making it incredibly efficient. But go on about it being stupid. Plenty of people have shown you can air cool a 13900K for gaming. Somehow you seem to think you need to water cool even just a 13600K. If you go with an AIO its not much better than a high end air cooler either. The more you know. And as to why get a 13900k? Or even just a 13700k? Because the 7800x3d is worthless in anything outside of gaming if you ever use your computer for productivity.
@@TV-xv1le 7800X3D is about 20% slower in ADOBE software than 13900K but with MUCH... M U C H less power consumption and heat. That is what I would do with it if I have 7800X3D. For less money, less need for expensive cooling and unbelievably less power you get 20% less speed but way more efficient CPU. This comparison with 13600K in this video is just Intel fanboyism and deserve nothing but resentment.
@@DoktorHaus014 It's not "fanboyism" if its facts. Also 13900K ~ 25% in adobe. Upwards of double in other workloads. GOG (this channel) literally showed cooling a 13900K with a $15 cooler. The 7800x3d costs to much for what it is. The power difference in just gaming is negligible we are talking about a few dollars per year. With power limits even less and still getting 95 to nearly 100% of the gaming performance. And you still have a CPU at the end of the day that's useful for anything else you throw at it. But to each their own.
Why don't you provide the averages? You already have the data from when you collected the 1% lows. More data is better than less data. I just don't see the point in excluding what could be useful information.
I start think ,this man make this type of video ( remember the drama he start with HU....) for be just different. 😄
The underdog competitor obsession become a little to much in this type of videos.
I start watch him ( not anymore) 3-4 years ago ,and the Radeon love vs Nvidia hate , did take my attention.
It feels the same as now , with the AMD vs Intel he did start about 1-2y ago.
I would like He go back to talk about old stuff ,like he was before , like the channel name suggest : Old good gamer.
There's definitely something off with those MW2 results, no other benchmarks that I've seen show such massive differences between Intel and AMD.
The analysis that both chips also need the same cooling is horribly flawed to boot on account of Ryzen 7000 being designed to boost according to thermal targets. There is a reason coolers are rated in terms of wattage, not temperature and to claim that a CPU that holds 189 watts is easier to cool than one that holds 120 is straight up BS.
*7800X3D beats 13900K in most games according to Hardware Unboxed's latest video.*
@@AdrianMuslim yeah given the obvious misinformation posted here I trust HUB's testing more. I mean both are great gaming products but I feel Chris has definitely become a pro Intel channel of late.
@@Shane-PhillipsProbably just to make sure they don’t go out of business. I don’t blame him, competition is good for the consumers. But it’s clear AMD is still kicking intels butt in the high end gaming front.
So you bench a total of 9 games, show us a tiny sliver of the data, and then conclude that the 13600k with DDR4 >= 7800X3D to the contrary of every other hardware publication. You even have the 5800X3D beating a 7800X3D in one of those charts... this seems like a waste of time.
Its a decent CPU but it cost too much for what you get. $450 for an 8 Core in 2023 is pretty Ludacris.
Intel goes same way, 8 normal cores at best and Excelrunning cores😉
@@marcinkarpiuk7797we got more cores then that
wich would you recommend instead? I'm doubting between one of these
AMD Ryzen 5 7600 (X)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Intel Core i5 13600K (F)
@@Dailyrider94 depends what gpu u planning use,for games - 7600 is good if u not planning go higher then 4070/7800xt(and will be cheaper to repleace if u planning later upgrade), ignore 7700x and just go to 7800x3d(like 100$ more now) if u want decent gpu(7900XT/XTX/4080/4090), 5800x3d is decent upgrade but only if ur already on AM4(if ur not just ignore that - i repleaced my 3600 for 5800x3D), 13600 is also decent upgrade(same 4070ti/7900XT gpu max for stable work) but intel platform will be dead in like few months(14gen launch soon-dont expect miracles its just lifting with more W usage...) one plus for intel is if ur working on ur pc - thats what Ecores are for
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 Yeah intels more cores isn't really much higher. The other e cores are not that powerfull as p cores. They making more e cores than p cores.
"Raptor Lake CPUs draw much more power, but they're much easier to cool."
I love how you just can't keep a straight face while shoveling this drivel out.
Sounds like you have not tested it. This is accurate info. A tuned Raptor Lake cpu is significantly more efficient than AM5 on average, while also being able to pull more power when needed; as it is a more capable platform.
For the people confused in the comments with HUB's recent video the results are different because of the sample size, games tested and ofc hardware and silicon quality not taking any OC into account even if both rigs were identical results could still vary by quite a noticeable margin. The truth is from a neutral point of view both platforms have their pluses & minuses however if you only care about gaming most modern midrange to high end Cpu's from either team will net you the performance you're looking for unless you're looking for something more niche such as 1080p extreme high refresh rate where you would want to check the specific games you play on each platform for the best results.
Great vid, though i was hoping to see stock 13600k as well with only xmp to compare with stock 7800x3d for those who dont want to oc their ram.
Very informative video, it would be nice to see 4k comparisons as well for the cpus in the video as I'm deciding which cpu will go to my living room pc for 4k story/single player gaming and which one stays in my desktop pc for esports/sim racing gaming. Thanks for the work you put into making this video!
I think it's kinda weird that we get the 1% low numbers. Sure, that is the more important number that we all would like to see, but 1% lows can change heavily depending on the game and cpu combination. For example, as another person pointed out, Cyberpunk 2077 has a bug (or lack of polish rather) in its engine right now with Ryzen CPUs that has 8 or more threads I believe. I had a 2700 (8c 16t) some months ago, and with a mod that fixes the SMT in Cyberpunk 2077, my 1% lows improved by a lot. Sure, we can't say whether it's AMD's fault or CDProjectRed's fault, but as we've seen, 1% lows can be very dependent on the game's optimization.
Chris you should use the SMT fix for Cyberpunk, it makes quite a difference for AMD, I can not believe CDPR STILL haven't fixed it!!
They officially rolled out an SMT fix for 6 core Ryzen CPUs in one of the first patches for this game. But then they claimed that 8+ core Ryzens perform "as expected", so did not bother to fix SMT issue for higher count core CPUs even since. What a shame.
@@stangamer1151 Yeah I remember that but 8 core Ryzen CPU's can get extra 20fps, it's embarrassing if you ask me, Ryzen 3000 was already out by the time the game came out and we are now another 2 generations past that, it's start to look like it's done on purpose honestly
RIP AMD 7000X3D 😂😂😂
@@lightward9487 In your dreams
@@lightward9487 *7800X3D beats 13900K in most games according to Hardware Unboxed's latest video.*
Something is really off here.
Steve dropped a video yesterday 7800X3D FTW!!
😂😂😂😂. You actually believe HUB? That's Hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂
@@NBWDOUGHBOY Yeah I do, 95% of people don't overclock and Steve used 7200Mhz ram for the i9. I have a 3 x 360mm CLC with 16 fans and I keep my stuff stock even though I know how to overclock, none of my friends overclock either his benchmarks make more sense that this one's here who are for that maybe 5% of people who do
@@adi6293 Having the best hardware and not testing them in their best Configuration possible is Stupid as hell. It makes no. If you don't Overclock then you are just a novice pc builder. A tuned system will show you the best case scenario. The thing HUB does is Hamper one system and boost another. And many ppl who actually know about PCs knows HUB is full of Shlt. So you have fun with that one my man. I don't care about 95% of Novice pc users do with their systems most of them should be buying a pre-built or console anyway. If you are not showing the products at their best you are omitting information and should not be trusted. Period. Point Blank.
@@adi6293 higher frequency ram is useless if it's not tuned, you just get more bandwidth which is useless for most games but similar latency, that's why steve can't find much of a difference
@@beyondfps4090 And how many people actually tune ram? Especially DDR5 that's just a nightmare to tune
Great video! I was considering selling a 13700k build to experiment with a 7800x3d.
Idk why you got yourself a better cpu then most average users have
@@Ghostlynotme445 for fun and curiosity
I just want to play games not tune memory and overclock cpu, i did that with LN2 and dice in my time and that was exciting but this tunning thing is just pain in the ass. Thats why AMD is selling x3d with such price, its plug and play in and few mins it powers your 4090.. from in Intel you have to extract preformace and that sucks, ofc every tunner will recomend you to buy Intel, otherwise he would be out of business.
I wish you had shown the 13600k stock performance for more of a comparison. I’m building a friend a top of the line system and he doesn’t have the experience or want to try overclocking. Given his budget for the system I went with the 7800x3d and 4090 so he doesn’t have to deal with overclocking. Much better cheaper system than the 13900k and 4080 prebuilt he was looking at
Totally agree. I don't know why he can't do stock. I know his channel is for overclockers, but for normies it would be helpful. Unfortunately he won't get more of an audience, but I know he knows it. He is doing what his financial supporters want.
@@kotztotz3530 yeah he totally is and I like what he is doing. Just found it strange that he included stock 7800x3d and not the others
That's exactly why hub exists. For normies who just want to plug and play their shit. This channel is literally showing you the other side of the coin. Not rocket science
I hace experience oc much for my i7 13700k much compete
@@thaNZdon yeah going into price performance and showing the value of tuning is exactly why I like this channel. Just saying that is useful to see the difference between stock and tuned performance. Gives you a better idea of how much performance is on the table from stock. It also would have been useful to know total system cost
The AM5 platform is going to be around for a while, so easy cpu upgrades. Intel on the other hand....
12th, 13th and now 14th gen on the same platform is not being around for a while?
To be fair I think you should be comparing all processors at factory defaults, with the same sticks of DDR5, and a 360 AIO or top of the line air cooler to minimise thermal bottlenecks. I appreciate you're heavily into min/maxing performance and it's interesting to see what you can get when OC'd, most people I expect will run stock these days, as tuning for gains just doesn't net the same benefit that it used too, and massively increases power draw typically for mediocre gains.
You should also state on your larger average text at 3:45 that the 13600K numbers were also based on an OC'd chip. The small text states it, but the larger text does not, which isn't representative of the result. I presume the 13600K score is based on an OC'd result, not stock clocks. The text leaves it open to interpretation, you specifically refer to the 7800X3D as "stock" and "overclocked", but don't indicate the 13600K as being overclocked in your commentry in this portion of the video at least. In fairness you should have included stock and OC'd results for the 13600K if you wanted to show OC potential for both chips.
Just my opinion anyway.
Just to add, I think it's kinda weird that he only shows 1% low numbers. Sure, that is the more important number that we all would like to see, but 1% lows can change heavily depending on the game and cpu combination. For example, as another person pointed out, Cyberpunk 2077 has a bug (or lack of polish rather) in its engine right now with Ryzen CPUs that has 8 or more threads I believe. I had a 2700 (8c 16t) some months ago, and with a mod that fixes the SMT in Cyberpunk 2077, my 1% lows improved by a lot. Sure, we can't say whether it's AMD's fault or CDProjectRed's fault, but as we've seen, 1% lows can be very dependent on the game's optimization.
Additionally, it's just weird to see a "half-ass tuned" 13600K matching a 7800X3D in his tests. From all the reviews I've seen, all using DDR5 6400+ for the 13600K overclocked and DDR5 6000 for the 7800X3D stock mind you, the AMD cpu is about 10% ahead in both average and 1%. And again, I'll remind everyone that the reviews I'm referring to are not sensationalist, dramatized RUclips views, I'm referring to well-thought-out reviews in text form, plus meta analysis charts that all point to a similar conclusion. So yeah, I don't get why a DDR4, half-tuned 13600K would match a stock 7800X3D in his tests (again, we don't know the average since he only shows 1% low numbers)
@@Salty_Nutella I believe that was due to the chiplet design of Ryzen CPU, and if threads that needed to cross communicate over the infinity fabric, instead of all being run off one chiplet, it caused a latency /bandwidth penalty. It was just bad core assignment I believe, and could be fixed by scheduling the threads better
Nooo, but so many channels do that and it shows a clear misunderstanding of system use case and memory performance for a given application. But "to be fair" using that logic we use 4800 dimms that nobody is going to actually use.. or 8000 dimms this time and Intel wins by default since AMD can't even compete.. Literally 99% of red/blue comparisons are a nothing burger because they did use the same/wrong speed kits in both, often putting red in the cherry spot and slowing down blue. Even then gimped out blue still won in half the benches.. as far as 7800X3D I understand options are limited much like the Jitterbug phone, whereas the 13600K has a few ways to tune it depending on system capability and application. For example: my 12700K @5.3 w/HT gets 25K in CB @220W. @5.4 w/HT gets 26K @266w. But @5.6 w/oHT gets 20K @180w full load and 11w idle.. Now if I popped a 13600K into my system with a similar tune to my 12700K, I would reasonably say 6.0 w/oHT and drop down to 5.6 for heavy load applications to control thermals. The 14900K should be able to hit 5.6 at minimal voltage while also topping around 6.4 though so good stuff.
@@Salty_Nutella System latency. Tuned DDR4 B-die needs 7200-7600+ DDR5 to match it in latency of around 45ns, tuned DR 6400 is around 55ns, just XMP is prolly 60-70ns. The X3D cpus + XMP 6000-6400 is mostly tuned out of the box + sweet spot memory.. Tune the 13600K to 6.0 all core/ 5.6 base paired w/ 7600 A-die 45ns and run it back for more accurate results
Love the content, keep it up! I love this kind of content seeing how performance scales with tuning. The only thing I wish it was lightly touch is the emulation power compared to the Intel because it is not easy to find online. Thanks again Chris for your unbiased and hard work.
I don't get the point 150 fps vs 155fps in gaming. You only see the difference if you turn fps count on. You should probably be looking at perceiveable difference in performance like compilation time, rendering time, boot time. You get visible differences in games where frame rates are under 100 fps.
*7800X3D beats 13900K in most games according to Hardware Unboxed's latest video.*
@AdrianMuslim My question is- does it even matter when both run pretty much neck to neck on all fps numbers and both give frame rates above 150 fps on most games.
It's refreshing to see tuned numbers. Nobody does it right anymore.
Hello Chris.i watched your video on this 7800x3d chip.harware unboxing had a recent video with this chip vs i9 13900k that was beating the intel chip.how could this be if it can't beat a 13600k???.thank you for the great content...
I think I lost some IQ reading the comments posted here by brain dead AMD fanboys XD
Comparing 1% lows is where it's it.
comparing only 1% low? should have the average as well to show the better picture, pretty useless comparison.
Agreed!!
I don't know,my friend, how you got these numbers,the only thing we saw were graphs with 0.1% lows at 1080p without any context,you show numbers from 58003DX oc,what do you mean by oc,at what frequency is the processor running,do you have an extreme motherboard with an external clock generator or you just run a +
3% which gives a frequency of 4.6GHz?Also my numbers are much better at least in the 2 games I have installed on my computer GoW and Witcher III,the first gives me a result of 132 fps and the second 189 fps at 1080p,1% low,also you will apologize for your older video where you called AMD graphics as fake for the performance between the 5800x3d and the 7800x3d which not only turned out to be true but in some cases were even better.Sorry, but this is not a good job on your part.
Thx for uploading this video! Looking forward to your tests. Sadly people don't seem to be interested at all.
i have a question i have this cpu with a msi mag x670e tomahawk wifi is there any settings in bios i have/want to change for bether performance on those cpu's, im new to the newer gen amd cpu's. i have been googling arround but there are not to many bios/motherboards vids out there and so far have not seen any vids with a motherboard from msi. i have seen on the msi page there whas somthing in it i could enable enhanced boost mode or somthing but when i look into my bios nothing like that is there so idk pls let me know:D.
Yeaaaaaaah, but the intel platform won't have an upgrade path, AM5 will for many years to come. I'd gladly pay extra for an AM5 system just for that luxury.
On WW channel sales for R7K, 7900X continues to be the best seller clearing down 14.3% in the prior two weeks and on volume 7800X3D is the best seller < 15% but 7900X outsells 7800X3D by 3.5 to 1. R5K, salles were robust from 6.30 into 7.15 but slow again in the last two weeks 5900X is the best seller followed by 5800X3D interesting parallel and the volume of sales is far lower than 7900X +7800X3D combined that outsell 5900X + 5800X3D by 4.2 to 1. What did sell really well in the prior 6 weeks is 13900KS that outsold 13900K by 1.8 to 1 where KS almost sold out. Suggest some buyers decided not to wait for 14th i9. All other Raptor is basically stalled the movers are 9KS and 9K and sales of those two SKUs alone brought 13th WW available down < 23%. 13600K saw a slight increase in WW channel available inventory. Alder desktop is another story all SKUs selling and full line clears down < 27.4%, 12700K is the volume mover followed by 12700 and 12900KS/K. mb
Is your 1080P MW2 7800X3D data abnormal. The hardware unboxed display shows that the two platforms of% 1low are almost identical in this game, why is the CPU gap so huge in your place?
13600k 5.3p 4.2e 5.7r with dual rank b die 4000mhz 65k read 49ns in a64
Absolutely slaps
So we going to ignore they explode due to low volt protection or did they fix that already?
Actually on Hardware Unboxed review AMD CPU is better in most games and less power hungry and overall is better. Not to mention the LAG on intel sistems. Just a mention, I have an intel system and the lag is there and I felt it there since I first got it, so not a fan boy. Intel is going down the drain instead of improviong.
Is that the lag techyescity talked about, where 10th gen is better than 12th or 13th gen?
@@Ph42oN Yes. Intel has a problem. For example if you do something in a program and decide to alt+tab to another opened program, randomly, the CPU is kinda freezing not knowing what to do and that with 64GB memory, so the program is in memory, not accessing ssd or hdd. This doesn't happen on AMD (made some AMD ryzen 7000 series PCs for my friends). AMD is snappier.
Hardware unboxed do a thorough review and far more different results than yours. Not a half baked review lol
Hardware unboxed is biased af. Of course they will recommend AMD. You should have seen them making excuses for AMD for paying developers to dis-include DLSS, that was very telling I thought. Honestly it wouldnt surprise me to learn that AMD are paying those guys.
Why do these youtubers keep reviewing hardware and use OCing as the reason to buy something and then leave out all other data points. We need full system power draw from the wall... not this Sofware calculation of just the CPU. All FPS data as well. I've been building PCs for 20 years. I was a regular OCer on xtremesystems. OCing degrades hardware, nuff said, facts matter. These Posted OC's are never 100% stable 24/7. Running Prime small ffts for 12hours... please. Brian, AKA Chew* use to bust these lies all the time. The OCs work fine for a couple weeks and then you have the behind-the-scenes corruption of the OS etc. Motherboard matters as well; cheaper boards tend to be far less stable over time. They will tell you to buy a chip and OC it and in the same breath pick out a board that is cheap and will never be able to sustain good OCing, just the price looks favorable over the one they don't want you to buy. There's always someone that will say. "My CPU has been maxed OC for 5 years, no problems"... I call BS. We have a "wall of shame" at work of Dead Intel CPUs from over the years, well we have 1 AMD also. These are from desktop and Server chips alike. Fact is that majority of buyers will buy and leave stock. No, they shouldn't HAVE to learn to OC. That's like telling people they HAVE to learn to tune when they buy a car. Buy what you want and what you like. Don't let anyone change your mind. I own 2 Intel and 5 AMD rigs at my house and haven't had issues with any of them.
Yeah a sane person wont oc an i5 let alone this power sipping 13600k
Man, too big paragraph.
Imagine if a RUclipsr caters to a niche audience that likes to overclock. Is that allowed to exist ? If you want stock numbers go look at Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed, they do a great job of that.
@@lechf because it can be misleading when used in a comparison since the everyone can get different OC result.
@@lechf They can exist, that's fine. Don't tell people that chip A is better than Chip B just because "OverClock". Not all chips OC the same, milage will very. And agreed, people should watch Gamers Nexus, hands down they do a far better job of reviewing hardware than anyone else on this platform.
I love CPU content thank you!
Z690 mobo for 65 bucks is nuts. That's competitive with used pricing.
my 7800x3d gets higher fps then yours by a lot.........
there is something wrong with your tests lol
Unfortunately over here in Germany, we don't get to see these great prices on Z690 DDR4 motherboards (just the NZXT N5 is at 120 EUR, better boards are still 180 EUR+) or Intel CPU deals (12700KF: 290 EUR / 13600KF: 300 EUR - each incl. 19% VAT) . Also the insane electricity costs over here are also a point for AMD that alters the total cost of ownership equation. The conclusion is still valid though as the 7800X3D is way too overpriced for what it delivers, especially if you factor in productivity tasks.
Yeah. Same goes to 5800X3D. Looks like when AMD names CPU a "gaming part", it automatically becomes overpriced for no major reason.
@@RocketRenton Let's see what 14th Gen brings to the low end. As Intel sold re-branded Alder Lake dies below the 13600K, I wasn't too keen on these parts due to the significantly lower cache they bring to the table.
Yes AMD is estúpid way too overpriced
If Intel's 14th gen can comfortably beat 7000X3D I'm pretty sure we will see price cuts.
The main reason I wouldn't go Intel right now is because they are at the end of the line for their current socket.
the 8800x3d beats 14th gen so easy
Yea with extra 100+w power, great sucess 😁
14th gen will have the same IPC with slightly more frequency, probably 200mhz at the top so no it won’t beat the 3D chips
@@kimjongpoontv69 seems intel fanboys are even more desperate now then nvidia fans...
@@marcinkarpiuk7797it’ seems ryzen fanboy are even more desperate now than amd fans…
Can you imagine paying 50% more for an AMD CPU that delivers
Would be interesting to see the 0.1% lows for these benchmarks.
And max/av. fps...
7800X3D has better lows, hence why it wasn’t shown 😂
@googleuser7531 I have a 13900k rig too, and the 7800X3D consistently has better lows. 5-10 fps usually but it’s there from what I’ve benchmarked. Run my 13900k 5.7 P cores 4.5 e cores 5.1 ring with 7200mhz ddr5. Maybe with an Nvidia GPU it’s different but this is with SAM on with 7900XTX. Id still use the 13900k over it only for productivity with good gaming performance. But if I was just gaming I’d 100% use the 7800X3D
@@marcinkarpiuk7797True, but as all perform (according to the 1% low numbers) similarly, I think the 0.1% lows will show bigger differences.
Great video!
The denial in the comments is pretty hilarious! "Bu-..but HUB said 7800X3D is the FASTEST!!!! REEE this can't be!!!!"
Yes if you're a dunce cap and don't ever want to load into a bios screen then sure.
It doesn't really matter to me which of these cpus are fastest, but "tuning" a system isn't so easy as to call everyone who doesn't do it a dunce. Imagine ram tuning (not just xmp) for the average person, then throw in hours to days stability testing for the rare intermittent error. For Most people it isn't worth the hassle and headaches for what will most likely not make them a better gamer anyway. 🤷♂
You should include games that actually make good use of the V-cache. Tarkov, Squad, and other "upgrade resistant" games come to mind, along with simulators. In those titles, the 7800X3D rips Intel a new one, it's not even close. The 7800X3D has lower clocks and obviously loses in games where clock speed matters most.
yes, the video is done :D
A bit distracting but your glasses are so bent its distracting. Set them on a table top and the temples will not lay flat. Get them adjusted so your eyes are looking through the optical centers. You are creating vertical prism by wearing them crooked, the eyes do not move up/down as well as in/out. Many places do it for free.
Great job with the conclusion. At the end of the day it's about best bang for the fuck for many of us and alderlake + ddr4 is the pick... that or just get a 5800x3D if you are on a am4 platform.
The Withcer III!
I'll stick with AMD.
Even the 13900k only has 8 cores that actually matter 🤷♂️
Amd has never killed Intel nor has Intel killed Amd.
Both are still alive, very much so and the fans are drooling over marginal fps differences every year, just like they always have.
YAWN.
The same old story will continue, tune in next year to see the same shitty show.
great video. good to know the 13600k is such a solid cpu. i have a 13700k. if i would have known the 13600k was that good i would have bought that instead and saved some money
Hey dude you are an Intel fanboy
DUDE YOURE AN iNTEL FAN BOY.
not hating but i think its funny how you always bash others for promoting affiliate links but youve been doing it like crazy lately. i know you make it seem like a joke so it doesnt make you look like a hypocrite but its been like every pod and video lately. lol.
I like how people say 'In My Opinoin' a lot here... but Is it tough...?... because most here are just telling the same nonsense that 'youtubers' have been spewing for the past 10 years...
OC isn't worth it anymore (bla bla bla)... but if you'd tested (or looked for it)... you'll know that by tuning your system, you are able to get next gen performance... 1 or 2 years in advance with less power... most of the time.
it's not as it use to be... now it mostly involve memory tuning... Don't forget youtuber are just here to sell, entertain, not to help, inform you... so the all narrative that OC isn't worth it anymore is for there own (lazy) interest... BTW those guys that spend their time telling you that OC is dead are the same that 'push' product with barely 10% more perf... but tell you at the same time, Don't OC, not worth it... when we know that, between a well tuned system and a stock one, you can easily get above 20% on averages (and above 40% for 1% lows...)
Many other tests show 7800X3D being faster than 13900k on average, is it that intel gets nice gains from overclocking making but 7800X3D not?
Also, i dont see any z690 boards sold for any less than 120€, and that cheapest one looks like way crappier VRM than that $65msi board you linked. Thats great deal with prices you show, but they are not so cheap everywhere, here it would be like 450€ for decent z690+12700kf.
Ooof.. I guess it's getting rough out there to make money on RUclips.
Who runs everything ~Balls to the Wall~??? Good luck making your system last😂 I buy top end hardware, so I don’t have to overclock, apart from XMP.
Intel is just not worth the hassle. Amd is cheaper rn in 2024 it has plug n' play going for it where intel needs to be tunned to its max to compare to amd + dead end platform.......
12700K is an absolute value beast 💯
My 13900ks is running at 5.8 Ghz all core and 8000mhz ddr5 ram and a RTX 4090. AMD can't touch this 😂
Was 350 on newegg
Why are your numbers so stark from Hardware Unboxed? Also, 90% of users do3nt OC, those are the numbers that matter. Making a baseline video is key, then a separate OC video to show potential. This video just completely craps across the board with no baseline for normal users. Without a control, your data seems moot, because there's nothing to compare it too. My biggest question now is "why did you even make this video?" because Hardware Unboxed did?
Because HUB can't OC, and doesn't use optimal components for their testing (7200 RAM is nowhere near optimal for intel BTW) GOG does, HUGE difference...
I've independently done this same testing and came up with similar results. Only time I would recommend AMD for gaming is if someone doesn't want to OC.
dude, just stop comparing videos from different channels. each have their setup and shared the result.
@@fist003 newbs that watch this are going to legit think a 13600k is just as good as a 7800X3D or 13700k or 13900k, because as far as they know these ARE baseline numbers for a 13600k....THEY AREN'T! I guess I'm more conscious about people who aren't as tech savvy as I.
intel fanboy
Just such a power hog to OC that 13600k. Need better cooler, better psu, and honestly it's overall more $$$ than the 7800x3d that is already on sale...
Not to be a jerk, but you need to straighten out your glasses bro!
lol
Shout Out to Chris for going against the grain
AMD still slow
4 exrea crap cores though
I believe you are testing this cpu wrong with the 7800x the ram should be at ddr5 6000mhz cl 32 to get the best performance and timing at 1 for 1
4 extra cores , forgets those are eco cores and less p cores
intel was already dead
save money at the initial price and then pay the rest for the xtra power draw.
Great video. Of course, Idiots in the chat are clueless and gonna blindly follow that other Shill Channel. But I appreciate the honest review. I like the fact that you show 1% lows because That is the best indicator of how smooth the performance will be. The fact that the 7800X3D is $450 makes it an Automatic Nope for me. An 8 core processor shouldn't cost more than $300 bucks in 2023. If this CPU was $350 then there could be a conversation that its the one to go for but, There are similarly priced professors that you more For that same money. Its not fast enough to warrant that price tag. Good testing.
Remind us how intel price 8core processor(i mean real 8 cores - i7-9) ?
Definitely agree. The x3ds are good but way overpriced. No 8 core in year 2023 should cost more than 350$.
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 If you don't think e cores do anything then you just don't know Shlt about the Architecture. You're just clueless
@@NBWDOUGHBOY oh man i know a lot at that matter, they do but not really in games(maybe just improve that 1% lows what we get tested).
This tests are just cherrypicked to look great and thats problem...
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 🤣🤣. Cherry Picked. Okay dude. You have a good one.
So 13700k will beat 7800x3d with tuned DDR5 Ram
nope
On other hand amd will have their ddr5 fixed in like month(bios at beta atm)
@@QuaK3RRR hmm yup
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 AMD Ryzen CPUs fabric clock speed is too low so their memory latency is too high which is not good for gaming
@@Decki777im just staying on my 5800x3d to like zen6, unless intel show us something that dont require shhty tons of electricity to runs(10nm process and only way to make it equal was just add more power to clock higher...still impressive feat tho)
2FPS win its over intel!!
if AMD was half the price as intel i would consider them in a second rig. for my main rig avoiding the AMDip is worth its weight in gold just for the peace of mind.
450 for the 7800x3d is s steal
chris, you should go watch the hub video on this exact subject only using the i9. what i found interesting was that they had to use amd sponsored games that had crazy perf differences in order to sku the results. their power results were 100w+ in some cases. the extra power use isnt much of a surprise though if you have half a brain. intel is using 10nm while amd is using 5nm. baased on that alone you would think intel wouldnt have a chance in hell. its quite impressive they can not only keep pace but beat them as well. it'll be interesting to see how it goes when amd doesnt have a 5 node advantage for power usage. personally i dont care about power usage tbh. my current rig is a 13900k and a 4090.
Great video, even if you leave it stock IMO 7800x3d is not worth the price, I would buy the 12700k for 240$ any day even if I had to leave it stock, the extra 10% are not worth triple the price for the platform.
lol I see the AMD fanboys didn't like the video and prefer HUBs idiotic but favorable numbers, just ignore them, we know the truth, they can keep living in lala land.
I have a 13700K, and still think the video (and testing methodology, and perhaps the results) are flawed lol
@@Salty_Nutellaonly counting lows is kinda flawed...
For the price theres definitely better options. Specially if you can find the 12700k fo 240$ like you said its basically a no brainer buy.
@@OneDollaBill well i just upgraded my old 3600 to 5800x3d and i will stay on it for some time...also get 6950xt cos its cheapest gpu for 4k gaming atm
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 solid choises. Since youre already on am4 motherboard the x3d is big upgrade from 3600. Ans the 6000 GPU lineup with current prices is pretty much best value there is. Unless you really care about ray tracing.
Or you can buy a 13700k right now from Microcenter for $390 and be happy. As good in gaming. Better in literally everything else. Literally cheaper. The power usage difference in gaming is negligible. Idk how anyone defends the overpriced x3d cpus. Maybe 1% of people care about the upgrade cycle. 99% of people wont have to get a new cpu for 5+ years especially just for gaming. The dead platform argument is so stupid because most people are not swapping cpus yearly.
First!! 😁😁😁
First 🥇
To be honest I ran bench vs Hardware Unboxed from yesterday 7800x3d vs 13900ks and I smoked his all line up. With 13900ks 6.0 4.6 Ddr5 8000 49ns
On avarage my rig was 20 fps more than Hardware Unboxed 13900k
I bet that your rig also randomly crashes every now and then and that you blame the game or drivers ;)
@@MrMeanh why would it crash? It’s tuned
@@facegamefps6725 Thats the thing, thers no tunnig with ryzen build just slap n' play also you will have to replace both cpu and mb for your next upgrade while ryzen needs only cpu change.
@@fiece4767 who gives a shit if i replace it with 1851 z890 motherboard? It will come with wifi7 etc… you will need to do same if you want all of that.
@@facegamefps6725 You are right, who gives a shit when you have a whole lot of money that you dont know what to do with. Wifi7 he says, heh who gives a f. Main improtant things stay the same but you need another mb upgrade, typical from intel. Same shit different day and we only started with gen5 things.......
Hahahahahahaha 7000X3D AMD RIP bye, i need i5 13600k for actualize 14th gen compete much
It’s sad that one of the techtuber who tune their system for reviews has stopped due to lack of support from brain dead amd fanboys, 🥲 pls come back! 🙇🏻♂️
14700K best 🩵 rock stable mine runs 5ghz intendindly to save power amd heat, no loss of fps