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22:25 - CONS of Private Education
34:08 - Should You Send Your Child To Private School?
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Guys, react to this video as you watch. Comment below with your thoughts 😀. No judgement of others, please.
Wow, my son is now 31 and my daughter is now 23 and were both part state educated and part privately educated and your video brought back some memories from many years ago.
The first thing I would say is that your kids will fit in better if they live close to their friends whether that is at a state school or a private school and do not underestimate this. It's jut easier for them to meet up with their friends and join in.
Events experienced during school years can be a cause of very serious mental illness later in life.
A way to get a good education for free is to send kids to a village state primary school (not an option in London) and possibly get a private tutor involved to help prepare for entry exams to grammar school.
Next best value is Kumon (but the parents have to be prepared to spend a lot of time marking the kids' work).
A really experienced private tutor can be brilliant, but is very expensive.
Overall I regret the money i spent on fees for a private school, but not the money I spent on Kumon or on the private tutor.
My son was diagnosed with ADHD and subsequently ADD and dyspraxia and wasn't meeting educational milestones. Additionally he was bullied at the state primary/middle school he attended. I wrote 21 letters of complaint about the bullying to the head teacher and met him a few times and that got nowhere So i moved him to a private school with a lot of kids with special educational needs. I also paid for my son to do Kumon (a lot of work for parents marking the kids' work) and paid for him to go to a private tutor. Doing Kumon made him better at maths and gave him confidence.
I think the best value from private school is by paying for them to attend "nursery" and reception at private school, followed by attending private primary school (especially a prep school), so I think you have chosen a good plan.
Be open to sending one or both of your kids to private school for A levels (depending on the subjects they want to study). My strong suggestion is that at A level encourage the kids not to try to mix art and science subjects, despite schools arguing that any combination of subjects is fine). Make sue that the school has achieved good results at A level for the subjects you kid want to study.
Separately, be warned that at A level some of the state schools with great A level results achieve the great results by kicking some kids out after the first year of A levels.
Google "Bury lawn scandal" and you will find this article from The Times www.thetimes.co.uk/article/criticise-and-well-expel-your-child-says-school-cd0rls2f3kt
In summary imagine if part way through your kids' education, the private school which you are delighted with could be sold to a business that wants to change the ethos of the school, wants to increase classes from a maximum of 15 to 30, appoints their own head teacher and sacks many of/most of the dedicated teachers (replacing them with younger teachers) and confronts the parents and issues ultimatums to the parents! They got through 4 head teachers in a year!
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/criticise-and-well-expel-your-child-says-school-cd0rls2f3kt
PARENTS who criticise the management of a private school in Buckinghamshire risk their child’s expulsion under the terms of a new contract.
The move by Bury Lawn school in Milton Keynes came when parents passed a no-confidence vote in the management of its owners, Global Education Management Systems (GEMS), after the departure of four head teachers in a year. The company, which is the second-largest provider of private education in the country, has recently bid for contracts to run privately sponsored city academies. Education lawyers described the new terms and conditions as “draconian” yesterday and questioned whether they were legally enforceable.
How do you improve my child's spelling and punctuation my child just turned 12 years old.
@@lonalis4224 Kumon also do an English course. Below is the model for Kumon maths and Kumon English. You child can do either subject or both. Kumon is not cheap. It also takes a lot of effort from the parent but is cheaper than a private tutor:
After school, the parent takes the child to a communiy hall or primary school hall and after queueing up for while, the Kumon "teacher" spends about 5 to 10 minutes one-to-one with the child and looks at how they got on with their Kumon homework from the previous week and goes through (or part way through) new exercise 1. Each day the child does an exercise at home for about 15 minutes a day and you mark it using the answer book. From memory (from many years ago) it takes the parent at least 10 minutes to mark it! The child corrects any mistakes and then gets 10 ou of 10 and receives praise and feels good about themselves [Receiving praise for achieving a genuine result is the key to success with doing any extra work at home on top of school homework]. Discipline, consistency and lots of repetition are the keys. Kumon works really well as long as the child sticks at it ideally for 2 or 3 years. This builds belief within your child that they are good at English/maths and this belief leads to confidence and feeling good about themselves and provides self-motivation. If your child were a robot, it would work even better! Apparently Kumon goes right up to A level.
An alternative is Ted McGrath. I dont know anything about it.
A cheaper option thzn Kumon would be to get recommendations for some home learning books from your child's teacher or support teacher at school and go through them at home. I imagine fill in the missing letters or missing punctuation would work well, reinforced by dictation. Years ago, the problem was that these exercise books for at home didn't contain enough repetition with exercises getting harder very gradually. Too often they were for self-motivated children who are already doing well at school. But your child's teacher nay be able to help you buy the right ones.
The best option, but more expensive than Kumon is an hour a week with a very experienced private tutor. The tutor would know exactly the right materials for your child to work on. The parent has to chauffeur the child and hang around for an hour/ read a book /listen to audible in the car, but doesn't have to mark the homework set by the tutor.
I wish you and your child well with whichever option you pick. Do stick at it.
My daughter attends a government sponsored private school. Very difficult to get in because the fees are cheaper. I was initially not interested in sending her to a private primary school as she attended a state school for reception stage. She was threatened a 4yrs old that she will be shot, kept asking me why no one will play with her is it because she is black etc. This all led to absence episodes and ambulances to hospital almost every day. A horrible time for us. I had to move her to a private school and she is a totally different child now. The difference between her and her friends in state school is there to see. They are taught to be leaders and not followers. Thank you for this. Brilliant topic.. 👏
My younger brother went to a very expensive private boarding secondary school and he had the issue of not fitting in because my parents were working-class and most of his classmate's parents were politicians so they enjoyed the fanciest things in life (Nigerian politicians). The only reason my parents sent him to that school was that he was academically gifted and they just wanted to give him a good education. I had to step in and made him realise that being in that school is an opportunity he needed to maximise and being a good person is all that mattered. Well, he ended up becoming the head boy and everyone's best friend. He is currently studying engineering at one of the UK's top universities.
We sent both of our daughters to private school. As someone who worked in both private and state education sector it was intriguing to see both the good and bad. For me the main benefit is the network and the expectations being part of the school and subsequent alumni. They both had very good experiences and it was a worthwhile investment for us. To the point that if they ever have children and want to privately educate them we would be happy to support them on that journey too.
David, very interesting. Thank you for sharing this and good to hear that your daughters had a good experience. That's encouraging to hear. Did you do private secondary too?
@@TheHumblePenny nah I was at state
@@DavidMcQueen thank you :)
@@TheHumblePenny Hi can my daughter improve her spelling skills and punctuation she has trouble when to use full stops when using paragraphs. Any feedback would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Each to his/her own. I had excellent education in Nigeria where I grew up and I felt the least I could do for my children was to give them a gift of excellent education too and so my girls privately educated throughout their nursery, primary and tertiary education. The main benefit a child gains from private schooling is being well rounded and not just for academic prowess. Benefits/opportunities/skills like small class sizes, excellent resources and facilities, public speaking, etiquette lessons, teaching styles, great meals, wide variety of sports, award/reward systems, leadership, organisation, buddy systems, etc. It’s a definitely a worthwhile investment in your child if you can afford it.
Agreed 👍🏾
I attended a private school for Secondary and worked in education for many years. Private schools differ, and the experiences will be mixed. Sadly bullying and racism still exists in some private schools.
I have chosen to home educate my children, as this is the route I have seen the best results with (when done well by committed parents). I know a lady whose children both got into Cambridge University aged 16 years, there are also 10 year olds sitting GCSE's early. My oldest child is preparing for exams early, and there is more time to focus on this alongside extra-curricular activities.
Our faith was also a big part of our decision, as we are Christians. Academics are important, but even more so are good character etc. Sadly there are so many different agendas in schools nowadays, teachers are leaving and many are now choosing to home educate their children.
The books and messages by John Taylor Gatto are useful for those wanting to find out more.
Another pro for us is: More family time, time freedom, and the ability to travel when we want, as well as teaching our children business skills from a young age.
I really enjoyed this topic, as a state school teacher myself I can see all the pros and cons that you’ve mentioned. I like the model of private primary and state secondary however I personally don’t think I would send my children to a private school with the exception of a private faith school if it came to that. However having taught privately educated children and seeing how they compare to state educated children, 9 times out of 10 I hardly saw a difference. I strongly believe that if you can get your child into a very good state school or a grammar school then you can definitely save yourself a lot of money. I myself attended an excellent state school and I’m thankful every day for it as the school taught me some wonderful values, the teachers were outstanding and my parents didn’t have to break the bank for it. Financially I’m doing well in life and can’t see a big difference in my standards of living vs some of my peers that attended private schools. I feel that being state educated has also made me more level headed as an individual and I would want the same for my children. Thanks for this, excellent topic and great arguments for and against on both sides. Well done.
We love your very insightful comment, Mariyah. Thank you for sharing. Really good to hear about your personal experience in State education and your life outcomes so far. Out of interest, were you born and bred in the UK? One thing we didn't talk about in the video is that the school that our kids attend has a faith led focus.
By the way, why did you stop creating content on your channel? You look like a natural :)
@@TheHumblePenny Yes, I was born in the UK. My parents immigrated from Sierra Leone before I was born, they both started life in the UK as cleaners before becoming nurses in the NHS, they now own 6 properties in London, paid off their home mortgage in 7 years and have set themselves up nicely for retirement, I know that this wouldn’t have been possible if they had put me and my brother into private school 😂. I like the fact that your children’s private school has a faith element as I can completely understand why parents would want to make this choice for their children. The state secondary school that I attended as a child was also a faith school, I believe it definitely made a difference and may be the reason I had such a positive secondary school experience.
@@TheHumblePenny 🙈 Lol. I haven’t uploaded a video on this channel in about 3 years. I might pick it up again, we’ll see how it goes. I love watching your channel though, you guys are awesome, I don’t ever usually comment but I’ve learned so much from you. Thank you, you’re both really making an impact and changing lives. 👏🏾
@@MariyahGabriel Aww, thanks so much :). This creating thing ain't easy! BUT, we see it as a calling and it is having good impact and that's what matters. Seriously though, you should get back to creating.
I'm glad you guys have made this video. In my opinion, 'Private or state' is a personal choice and depends on the child. We have 4 children, 3 girls, and one boy. Our daughters all went to 'state primary' and then 'Grammar secondary'. One left the grammar school because she gained an academic scholarship for private 6TH form in London. We had to put in a whole lot of work to get them through 11+.... A LOT! And they did so much outside of school eg ballet, flute, guitar, piano, speech and drama, sewing, swimming, street dance, tutors etc. Our son is in private primary and this is for several reason. (1) we are now in a better financial position to send him there (2) All the reasons you mentioned and (3) Because he is a (very boisterous) 'black boy' and being state-educated for his nursery, I already started seeing some 'stereotyping' setting in... that bothered me big time. Ultimately, I feel one still has to put in the work at home regardless and pray that your child turns out to be the best version of themselves.
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I attended a state school that had at the time an application process that was outside of the normal process for secondary. Whilst the local community believed the school got it results by always picking only the smartest kids (they didn't) what it really allowed them to do was pick children with parents that were involved and supportive - which I think is really unvalued in society as a whole for what contributes to a child's approach to education.
When I did my exams my school had better results than Eton, but since they now use the same application process as the other local school their results have dropped by a significant amount.
Another thing to consider for those who can afford it if they have a child going to a state school who might be struggling/ who they wish was challenged a bit more, is to consider private tuition in addition to what's being taught at school. I think that's a happy medium. This also applies, if, as a parent, you know you're not the best at teaching/ don't have the patience.
Very true :)
Really great discussion guys! I teach in public secondary schools and the biggest barrier I see to kids thriving academically is other kids who disrupt learning as the teacher spends so much time managing behaviour. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much which school managements are able to do. We have a system to call a Duty Officer to take kids who are extremely misbehaving out of the classroom. However, these kids come back to subsequent lessons and nothing has changed and the whole process repeats over and over. I feel really sorry for kids who have to endure the excesses of other kids. It's exhausting for teachers and leads to low job satisfaction as teachers are practically abused sometimes by these students. I have seriously been considering private education for my little girl purely because of this. I like the idea of a private primary + state secondary. I think another cheaper way to go is to supplement your child's state education with quality tutoring from qualified teachers in various subject areas.
Just a note on homework. Research shows that homework doesn't improve achievement academically.
Daily times table, reading should be done.
Long term project work can improve self discipline.
In two state schools I taught at choose to stop homework due to the research. We saw no changes in the level of achievement or levels.
Reading or spending time with your child will have the biggest impact.
We are thinking of high school going private. The worldly views/bullying really worry me. Xx
Thank you for sharing this. We've heard this view on Home Work too. We'll look more into the research.
On worldly view, yes...
Very thorough video. My wife and I are deciding where to send our toddler son. This video really helps. God bless your family and RUclips channel!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks a lot and God bless
Very interesting topic, a lot of layers to incover. I really feel for that daughter who is carrying the weight of her mothers sacrifice to get her into private school, i guess that is the side of things we dont really consider, the child themselves! I like the point you made about considering if it is suitable for your child, as a father of 3 boys we clearly see a huge difference in personalities and what works for 1 child doesn't automatically guarantee it will be successful with another. Our kids currently attend a very good state primary school and we hope to get them into grammar schools. Great vid!
Thanks for sharing this. Good to read how you guys manage as parents of 3 kids.
Totally agree with the order you are doing things. I went to grammar and about four children joined us from private schools. They were way ahead of us and so much more confident in their ability, used to doing presentations and a lot more focused on academics. A bit less streetwise however 😀 I don't mean that literally i mean in a school environment. One of them is still one of my best friends and we are both following the same model with our children.
Ahhh, fascinating! Thanks for sharing this. We chose to do it in that order because we believe so much in investing in the formative years. We're seeing it pay off already 5 years in.
I am a product of public schools and state university system. I taught (now retired) at a small private/independent private school. Tuition is BELOW average Current 2023-2024 school year it is - 6,000 for preschool (3,4,5 year old students), 7,000 for elementary (grades 1-5) and 8,000 for middle school (grades 6 to 8). plus uniforms, books, lunch etc.. We have discounts for multiple children attending at the same time as well paying tuition up front to save the school billing and booking expenses. We send home work reports home when child doesn't do home work. Our parents are very involved in kids education. We have average 21.25 kids per class .This is in the USA.
Its interesting that these pros and cons are also true in South Africa. I was fortunate to go private schools both primary and secondary. And the benefits of that background became obvious in interviews and in the boardroom. There is a confidence and a way to articulate myself that private schools gave me that I see my public school peers struggle to do (and I am referring to those of colour because that is a dynamic alone in Soutb Africa). I will definitely send my kids to private school because I have seen that people of colour are still having to work ten times harder to prove themselves in corporate as equal and highly capable. There is still the reality of white privilege and because i don't know how long it will take to undo it, it's my responsibility to set ny black kids up to carry themselves boldly in this world and hold their own.
So interesting reading your perspective coming from South Africa. The cultural dimension is such an important element of this conversation.
Really enjoyed this video. We have chosen to send our 3 children to a private primary school and really hope we have made the right decision 🥺. Thankfully we are seeing the benefits through their progress, however, we 100% take charge of their learning and support at home with additional work, a tutor and making regular contact with the school. It'd be great to know what your thoughts are around cultural challenges or the microaggresions our children or us as parents may/will face.
I went to a state school and got A's, but as I went into university and work I found myself at a very real disadvantage up against my privately educated peers. I had none of the social skills, confidence, polish or general entitlement that helps open doors in life. I did fib about my school once - I didn't know Eton only took boys 😂
Yes, if I have the money 🤑. It allows them to move in the right circles.
The evidence supports this for sure (in real life).
I laughed so hard when Ken said everyone was faking it to get into the school 🤣😂
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Nice one both,Mary your hair is beautiful!
Such a great informative video thank you! We fall into the category of buying a more expensive house and being able to send our daughter to a Catholic primary next door (we are not Catholic but managed to get a place without faking it - hilarious but honest piece in your video!). The schools are great locally. Really difficult decision because I'm privately educated but my husband isn't. I found my life at school very very pressurised and I'm not sure we were nurtured in anything really other than academics. But definitely saw a difference when I went to a state funded sixth form. I want my daughter to remember having a happy, carefree childhood, without pressure. I also read Nordic countries start formal education later and seem to fare better later in education. There's no right or wrong answer and it depends on so many factors unique to each family.
Great video! 🥰
Thank you for sharing this :). Pleased to hear too that you got into your local Catholic school. Interesting that you felt very very pressurised. Food for thought for sure. Yeah, we hear a lot about the Nordic countries. I wish someone from that part of the world would comment and share about the school experience.
There is a stark difference between England and Scotland when it comes to schools. The phenomenon of people faking church to get their children into a school is so common down here in England . In Scotland, it’s more common for people to move house into the catchment area of a good school and then when their kid gets a place they move away. I went to a really good state school because we lived in a good area. I would try this approach first before coughing up private school fees. However, I have also seen you can do Interhigh which is an internet based school this is also an option that is cheaper and can be built into the state school curriculum.
This is such an interesting topic! A lot of people sacrifice big time to send their children to private school, I feel like you should only go down the private school route if you can comfortably afford it. Private school doesn’t necessarily equal good grades, I know quite a few people who went to private school who got grades they easily could’ve got in a state school. There were people in my state comprehensive school who got better grades than the people I know who went to private school. If you go to a state comprehensive school and you’re very focused and have parents that motivate you to study then you’ll get really good grades. I think the main reason why kids in selective schools get high grades is because their parents value education and instil in their children that they should do well academically. I do admit that it is easier to get distracted and get in with the wrong crowd in a state comprehensive school, because not everyone will be as focussed on academics than they would be in a selective school.
Just came back to finish off this video as it’s very timely for me. I just want to make a few points. We have a two year old and we’ve decided to start him off in private school. The main reasons for this are me and partner have recently moved to a new town for work reasons, a town we’re not fully versed with. Added to this we’re not entirely sure where in the town we’d like to place down our roots, therefore placing our son at a private school that caters from aged 2 to 18 years old alleviates the issue around living in the right catchment areas. This is also I’m sure a similar situation for military families. Secondly, my partner went to private school in another country (outside of the UK) and she would resonate many of the likely outcomes you and Mary discuss such as confidence, jobs, long life networks, etc. Therefore she gravitates wanting our son to go through a similar experience. My view perhaps leans towards private but only for a few reasons such as confidence and academic and sporting opportunities which funnily enough were the areas I was good at but didn’t feel were fully nurtured when I was at school, so I would want my son to at least have the environment to experience such things but totally get the edge coming from humble beginnings can have. However, when one looks closely at the schools around them, when it comes to secondary schools, there are some great non-private schools out there but there are not enough of them. I was taking my son to a Saturday morning football practice session for young kids and the organiser uses the facilities of a local state school and I was blown away at the sporting facilities and the amount of space they had, even compared to the town’s independent schools. This state school was one of two Outstanding rated schools in the town, teenagers getting places at major events such as the Olympics, and achieves the best GCSE results for a state-school in the county. I do believe if people are unsure or fixated in their views to go see the schools yourself and do your own research outside your comfort zone for a balanced view.
One extra point if I may, you’re very right to observe the race side of things, we live in white majority country, it’s fair to say we tend to lean towards people who look like us but in some public settings where people are different such as a school or workplace (or airports), the question has to be asked, are the people being looked up by pupils aware of their own biases and behaviours towards people who don’t look like them or don’t share the same culture? My son stands out as a minority, it does go through the back of your mind whether he’ll be treated fairly throughout his schooling life both by teachers and pupils. I won’t let it plague my mind but like any parent we just want the best opportunities for our kids and the next generation.
You two inspire me so much, God bless you .
Awww, God bless you too 😊🙏🏽
I wish l had read "Weapons of Mass Instruction" by John T Gatto before l sent my kids to school! He argues that compulsory schooling cripples imagination and discourage critical thinking. But l do think that in states school this argument is true but not in all pvt schools!! Thank you for doing this, and yes l am guilty as charged! I am one of the african patent and first gen immigrant who is sending my children to a pvt school🙈 but you need a separate video on just that😂😂
Fascinating point. We have not read that book yet. Thanks for suggesting it. Hahaha to a follow up video 😂. Propose a title, pls
Very insightful conversation, thanks for sharing. Agree with your approach.
Thank you for watching :)
Really good content here. Never really thought about 50/50- I am now leaning more this way.
Thanks for the info guys!
Thanks a lot :)
You guys nailed it on the head with the 2nd con of private education not equating to success as both parent and child have to put in the work! I went to an independent boarding school where we all thought we would excel and do well just because we were there but that was far from the truth as work has to be put in from the onset! My parents were even worse as they did not guide or aide me during my school time and therefore my grades were affected. So I think a child can excel at any type of school just as long as they and the parents are dedicated to the end goal (ie good grades and future prospects) as it takes more than just the child to do well. I know people who went to state schools are are excelling in their career because they had support. So I think you approach of private primary but state/grammar secondary with you right there supporting is the perfect balance because there is perfect school for the perfect results. Students fail at Eton too lol
WOW, thanks for sharing this reality. Again, you highlight the importance of parental engagement, something our people often struggle with whilst juggling the hustle to make that paper.
Really cool channel firstly. This topic pricked my years, having worked (16 years) and gone to state school and just started working in a private school.
On pros and cons in your video. It is a bit harsh to say that teachers at private school are more interested in the children, more passionate for the children....etc. just paraphrasing here. I can say having seen it with my own eyes that there are top quality teachers in both sectors, as well as not so good teachers in both sectors. A person's perspective on this will only come from their own experiences with either. As a teacher, my qualifications and experiences allow me to work in both. It comes down to the leadership of each school to decide what characteristics and experiences of a teacher that they want for their school.
Facilities wise, again, depends on your school. Some private schools have amazing grounds. But some have less so then some state schools. Budget wise, being a subject leader in my current job (private) Vs my previous job (state school), the truth is that my subject budget was larger at my last private school as our funded was through the local authority, which generally is similar year-to-year. Where as private schools are business, in which profits do play a part. ICT wise for example, a few private schools I have visited have a less equipped ICT room than some private schools.
I would say that arguably there are more opportunities at private schools because they can ask parents to pay for more extravagant excursions abroad, which state schools simply can not do. But my final note would be that a child, fully supported at home can succeed in state and private school in spite of the differences of the education that they receive, but the expectation from themselves and their peers may change in private Vs state.
And final, final point. I believe the which sector is best is dependant on the child. We have 2 young girls. I believe one of our children is more suited to a private school and one is more suited to a state school because of their educational/social needs. But an interesting topic, which gets a lot of people heated. Even though this should be a personal choice which we should respect.
Solid points well made. Thank you 😊
I really enjoyed this video, really helpful as I need to start thinking about schools for my daughter soon. Thank you 🙏🏾
Awesome! 😀
This was a great video!! Don’t have kids yet, but I would hope to move to an area with good schools in the catchment area. I’m personally coming from a state school background with virtually no support from parents(academically) and still have been able to make something of myself. I think now that I have the knowledge that my parents may have not been able to provide me, I would know how to push my children educationally, and if I need additional support I will get tuition
We hear you, Ify :)
Hi guys, really interesting. I had this dilemma as I work in private education setting but have freelance work in state education. I get a discount on the fees and my school looks like hogwarts! It's lovely. However I didn't think it would suit my oldest child who us excelling in an ofsted rated good school,not sure about her youngest yet. But hubby and I decided to role model what a love of learning and curiosity about people and the world looks like by saving and planning for annual events like parties, new year, Chinese New year, attending our friends cultural festivals and also travel. So we funnelled money towards that instead. I does seem to be turning them into fully rounde,interesting young people who inform themselves and are confident that if they want something they just need to ask HOW they can get it. I can see good in both paths but then my private school is mostly made of self made entrepreneurial patents and not the upper classes (although we do have 4 private schools in our town so they are near us too)! Also the private schools have just offered the mainstream primaries some free afterschool clubs!
Love your approach :)
Enjoying the video as I’m constantly weighing up the pros and cons.
The comment about motivated parents is interesting - I think it’s easy for rich people to be heavily invested in their kids lives when they’re not working. If mummy doesn’t have to work because daddy makes the big bucks, of course she can be overly zealous when it comes to the PTA et al.
Often, but not always, parents at state schools are thoroughly stretched and working jobs with unsociable hours. Not by choice, but to make ends meet. I’m sure they’d love to be more invested in their kid’s education but have more pressing concerns like whether the lights will stay on or if there’s food on the table.
💯💯💯. Richer parents typically have more time and are usually more available. You comment resonates with one that we made in response to someone else. Thanks for highlighting this very important point about the practical reality of parents struggling to make ends meet.
Really good video! Feels like you held nothing back. Thanks
Appreciate you watching :)
Great video, I don’t have kids yet but I plan on it one day. Having been someone who went to private school growing up i’m still in two minds about whether I want to send my kids to private school. The one thing I will say is that I’d recommend letting your kids experience state and private school as that way they get more perspective on life. That’s what I experienced growing up and I think I benefited from it. Tough decision either way though.
I like the mix of state and private if possible.
Such an insightful video. I know I wouldn't have gotten into the grammar school and university I got into had I not gone to private school. I feel privileged to have gone because the quality of teaching and support were second-to-none. We had 21 in our year by year 11, class sizes were about 7-12 students max by then too. Interesting perspective as I went on a merit-based bursary because my parents weren't rich. So I really related when you said about being around minted families. Thankfully, my school was big on teaching and instilling good values: kindness, inclusion, creativity, love, respect. So never faced racism or exclusion - these would have been stamped out quickly and not tolerated. It was also ethnically diverse. I'm grateful I got to go to a private school for primary and secondary, but also glad I did state for sixth form. For my kids I think I'll do what you both have done - private primary but state/grammar by secondary and/or sixth form.
Thanks for sharing 😊
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I’ve so enjoyed this chat … so much to think about thank you
It's a HUGE topic and a HUGE financial commitment. Glad you found this useful. Do share with others.
Excellent discussion! TY
Thanks!
Really interesting topic, you made me laugh when you mentioned that some people who attend Catholic Church just to get into the catholic schools are just “faking it”. Had my secondary education in a catholic school is Nigeria “not in Lagos”; it was mostly run by nuns (Irish) & it was a good school, very high on discipline too. Class size was 30-35 in a class.
I wanted my kids to have a grounded, balanced life so decided against Independent schooling. We attend the State schools but had to pay for private tutoring for the Kent test & it paid off for us. 1st two are in Grammar schools & it’s really good for them, as they thrive on challenges & like to be pushed. My last however is different, his learning style is different too. We accepted that & will go to a selective comprehensive school which is also really good.
Keep up the good work Ken & Mary 🙌🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Hey Clara, thanks for the detailed comment and sharing the journey about your kids in Grammar school. By the way, has the fact that your child goes to a different school created any friction between siblings?
@@TheHumblePenny Still in last year of primary actually but siblings are very supportive. I have tried to raise my children to value their differences and cherish one another regardless, hopefully it sticks 😆
Very interesting and balanced set of points you both raised. I personally have always felt that one day when I have kids that the influence they get in the home will have the biggest impact on their success regardless of their schooling. I know people who like you stated in the video paid for private schooling and left it all to the school to teach their children and did not sit with them for any homework etc. To me their kids are not benefiting from private education and are completely wasting their money without influence in the home.
I’m not anti private schooling but I feel that it would be money saved for me personally to keep my kids in a public school.
The best education is at home and coming from actively engaged parents. The challenge most parents have is that they have other often important things occupying their time also. So giving that time to children consistently over many years can be a challenge. But still, it must be done (whether state or private)
@@TheHumblePenny totally agree with you on that one. I think it must be really difficult to balance engaging with your children whilst trying to work and keep on top of other commitments. That’s why I am trying to be as financially independent as I can be before having children. That way I can dedicate more time to raising a family.
@@TheHumblePenny totally agree
Thank you for talking about racism and having truly real talk, An authentic conversation which was very much needed. God sent! thank you for sharing.
😊🙏🏽. Please share with others
@@TheHumblePenny Already shared x
Thank you so much for this video! As my partner and I start to plan for a family, I’ve started to study the UK school system. We’re both immigrants, we had no idea how complex it is. The first surprising thing to me was that, where I live, there’s only ONE area that has good primary and secondary schools. All other areas might have one or two good schools that are primary or secondary. Now I understand why people move/sell theirs houses just a few years after buying it. When I started looking at private education, I noticed how controversial it is in the UK. Personally, I’d hope to homeschool but I know it’s unlikely to be an option for us. It was really interesting to see your choice of sending the kids to private primary and estate secondary. When I was reading about the topic, one of the websites cited a study that found that primary school was a stronger predictor of A level results than secondary school. So it does sound like a great balance. This has been really informative. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing this :). Really interesting to learn the results of that study you mentioned.
For homeschool all the way
We used to live in a city where the state schools were pretty rough, so we didn't feel any choice but to go private. We moved to a nicer area with better schools.
You will pay a premium for the house, but you get that money back, or maybe your children will. You don't get school fees back!
Very true, James re getting the money back.
You two are the best!!
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I was very happy with the primary schools in the area that I live and therefore send my daughter to a state primary school.
My daughter worked really hard and got a full shcarship for a private secondary school.
From my experience there is no comparison between state and private school. The opportunity my daughter had at her private secondary school I think it would be impossible to get at a state secondary school. I love private schools
Nicola, thanks for sharing this. What do you think made the difference for your daughter to get the full scholarship? Share some tips 😊
Fantastic Topic !!!
Overdue discussion 😀
Thanks alot guys
I learnt alot from this video. Absolutely the best I've seen
Amazing 😊. Please share with others. It took ages to make this video.
Excellent video as always. I've had the experience of sending my kids to both state and private. I live in an city with the lowest preforming schools nationally. I felt that I didn't have a choice and have worked extremely hard to put my kids through the private sector.
We hear you on this, Farhana :)
I love the channel name!!!!!! 😊
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Very informative and interesting topic. It is a tough tough decision (if you are financially able for private school to be an option). My main concern around sending my child to private school would be how best to deal with my heightened expectations of their career. Because let's be honest, if i spend 100k+ on schooling, being employed and "happy" is no longer enough. My expectation for them is now CEO level etc. And with that being the case I am pretty sure that my child would feel that pressure.....
Haha completely hear you on expectations.
So interesting really because we expect our children to follow the entrepreneurial path as it's a family culture to do so. But we're not wedded to the idea and are really being led by their interests (so far!)
Ken great video and so much to unpack. I’m a little ahead of you in terms of child’s ages and there are many positives and negatives to both. One thing you may not have considered a your faith in the Ofsted outstanding state schools locally. You may find they resemble the schools both you and your wife went to. Due to funding cuts only the rowdy difficult children get attention. If your child is good, kind, quiet and unassuming they will get forgotten. On another topic I once read that the actual education shouldn’t be compared and that it’s not important. The reason for choosing private is the network alone - this is what carries you through your career as you noted when talking about those in government. Anyway was a great video, all the best.
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Hey Peter, long time! Thanks for stopping by and contributing to this important conversation :)
Loved this!!
Thank you :)
Great topic! I do not have any children if I did I would home school or have a private tutor for them. If I did want to take my children to school, I would take them to a private school or a faith school. I went to a faith school for secondary, then an inner city 6th form what an experience! The 6th form was good but the school wow! Remember the show Waterloo road? Yup the school was like that, very different from my strict faith school.
Your schooling sounds enviable 😉
Went to faith schools for primary and secondary (raised Catholic so I'm off the hook!) Couldn't have afforded private schools and I was in no way clever enough. I was a hard worker but I wouldn't have managed the work. Would've needed serious tutoring to pass the 11+, probably would now too!
I went to a grammar school for 6th form and enjoyed it, but did have some people look down on me as I was receiving education maintenance allowance at the time. I remember being made to feel different (by a very, very small minority I might add - lots of fab people there and I ended up loving the place - but still). I had never felt that feeling of shame before in my life with regards to money (or lack of). Also, the idea of class wasn't really - fully, analytically - on my radar until that point. I think I wasn't as politically aware or as set in my ways as some, and I was definitely far less opinionated! Pretty unpleasant...
I think class and how much money you have plays a huge role in what is right for a child in terms of schooling, second only to culture / politics. People look for difference in its many forms. Mine was receiving help for a short time, to aid my hard-working parents who just had just had a bad run.
Interesting debate, and honest. Great content, as always :)
Hi Kathryn
I enjoyed reading your comment. Thank you for making a useful contribution to this conversation :)
Very insightful video, I did state school throughout and loved it but I do see the benefits of private schooling.
Thank you for watching :). Can you share more about what you loved about your time at school?
@@TheHumblePenny so I did half of my education in Zambia and half here in the UK. In Zambia it was the friendships I made and how I was taught to handle different situations and it was very competitive being an only girls school.
In the UK I started in year 11 and struggled the first year but adjusted and we have very engaged teachers and always believed we could do more if we applied ourselves.
Our son it’s still too young for school but we have discussed private education. We do see the advantages but we have decided against it mainly because of the lack of diversity. This is a great video. Thanks
We hear you 💯 on the diversity point.
This has been interesting I'm glad I found this video
Thank you 😊
Good video!
Thanks :). Please share with others
Having lived in the UK for 5 years,I think in the developed countries there is more options because the state schools are just as good.But moving back home to a developing country the thought of sending your child to a school that has broken windows and no textbooks it could be one of the driving force for choosing private schools.
Hi Elang, I hear you on this :)
Hi Ken and Mary! Please could do a video on the balance we need to make between every day living and having fun vs saving for retirement and how to make that balance
We will 😉
I went to public school and got bullied just about every single day from either kindergarten or first grade and I wouldn’t ever send any of my kids if I had kids to public school I would either home school, or send them to private school or boarding school every single year because I don’t want any kid to go to public school at least until college
I know far too many parents who went to state schools, did well in life, sent kids to private schools and their kids have mediocre careers. Being state educated myself most of my colleagues went to schools costing 30-45k a year, yet we have similar jobs and earn the same…. I am struggling to justify paying the same for my future sprog, would rather invest the money for my kids, set them up with homes, wedding funds, countless hobbies and exposure through travelling the globe
I personally wouldn't send my children to private school, although being in the forces i could have enrolled them at reduced fee to boarding schools.
I can see the benefit if you live in ot around London, but anywhere else in the UK is probs a waste of money.
I sent one of my children to a Welsh language school, they are very good schools with small class sizes but also provide a real life grounding i think is necessary to be a well balanced person. My youngest child is in an English language school with 34 kids in a class and rubbish pastoral care/SEN provision and not much better academic achievements. I wish i'd put him in a Welsh language school too.
You're right about teachers hating their jobs, my wife is a Deputy Head Teacher. She really hates it and regrets choosing it as a profession.
WOW! Very insightful. Thanks for sharing. What is the biggest downside for her?
@@TheHumblePenny She has to deal with a lot of problems from staff and ex staff members, kids parents complaining constantly etc.
She's had to go to court 2 times in the last 5 years, an ex teacher said he was bullied. There's always constant problems coming from all angles, I want her to quit and find another job. All of her teacher friends also seem unhappy.
@@keithchegwin1222 Gush, I wish we could interview her. Sorry to hear this. That's crazy! The teaching profession is very challenging and we're seeing this trend more and more.
@@TheHumblePenny Maybe if she leaves she would do an interview 😂. Yes I feel sorry for her, she's extremely hard working and has a very kind heart too. Hopefully she'll leave in the not too distant future.
One of the main reason we chose private schools was to escape racism and institutional racism in state schools. It was the best decision we ever made. Our children are at three of the top private schools in the country and have never experienced a single racist incident since prep school, apart from curious classmates wanting to touch their big natural Afros.
Interesting point. Do they ever experience racism outside of school?
God bless you both, my wife must hear this!😂
Haha! I'd love to be a fly on the wall :)
@@TheHumblePenny 😀
Don't think there's anything wrong with getting your kids privately educated BUT I struggle to see the real benefits of it for most people. Not all private schools were created equally... so private doesn't automatically mean good. Unless it was a very renowned school, I'd struggle to see the advantage. I'd personally spend the money on private tutoring for key subjects and enrichment activities.
Edit: now I think of it... private tutoring and these enrichment activities might be less pricy but that private school education means all that stuff is incorporated.
Another aspect, are the benefits of private education actually due to the private education or is it due to the parents time and effort investment into their child? I can't help but think that the idea its the school itself that is the influential factor might be a a misfire. Honestly the amount of time a parent spends with their child with homework and extra enrichment activities is probably far more important. Parents that have the money to send their kids to private school are more likely to have the time to do lots of extra learning with their children. State school parents probably don't have that time. I'd like to see a study between parents of the same socioeconomic background, same lifestyle but state vs private and see their outcomes.
Really fascinating points you made in your edit. Love it. We'd love to see that study too.
I think that private schools do carry some gurantees; an aspirational environment where children are held to a high standard and are challenged intellectually not only through academics but also socially. Also the expectation is that children in such schools will generally be well behaved. State schools are such a mixed bad and there are real safety issues in many state schools; however that isn't a hard and fast rule.
Private schools attempt to inspire children to aspire and through the alumni a child can see what is possible and what they could achieve.
You rightly mention that the parental involvement is critical, & all the real values required for a child to thrive in a private school need to be developed in the home long before the child has attended said school.
Schools don't make exceptional human beings, it's the parents and the community who nurture children. However a child needs to be in an environment where they can thrive, a great kid can make a lot of use of the resources that private schools provide.
I was looking for content around the VAT for private schools topic and this video came up. I really enjoyed and related to this on so many levels.
I started state school in Singapore with classes of 40, moved to South Africa and experienced a mixture of state and private schools (both good!) as both an ethnic minority (Chinese heritage) and class minority (bursary student).
I also moved to the UK at 15 (terrible timing) and experienced a "good" church school (behaviourally a far cry from the quality of South African girls' private school) and an "average" private school (still not great).
My conclusion as a parent was still to put my kids into private school for all the benefits described, with deliberate intent to learn from my own schooling experiences.
It'd be interesting to get your perspective on the VAT topic.
Thank you.
I had the privilege of going to a private school in Nigeria and my niece currently goes to a Private school in Sussex and like you said there are pros and cons. I used to think that I would never send my child to a private school however I changed my mind but after looking at this video and a little bit of thought. I decided that I would not do it. Private schools are actually very good but the problem is that is all comes down to the parent and the child and there are people that thrive in really bad schools like Mary. It does not matter where you send your child too but how you raise your child and the parents has to be involved in their children's education. It may off been better if the child went to a state primary school and private secondary but I can understand why you did it the other way round but there are some state schools and Grammar schools that operate like private schools like Michaela but I do not like single sex schools. Home Schooling is another option. What secondary schools did both of you went too if you don't mind me asking?
Brilliant video guys. Private all the way, but the race dynamic is important if relevant. Firstly minorities are the minority in the country which goes without saying and also the socioeconomic make of the country in terms of race is reflected in the private school environment. Good luck all!!
I went to a private school, and I’m very glad I did.
I love your insights. But the issue of private and public schools are very relative. I have always been pro-public school because of the exposure kids get.
Location of course is a major factor. I went to public school in Lagos and my class size in Senior Secondary was like 30-40. No bad. 🙂
I think the UK system is very class based and that is the differential factor. I have taught part time and I saw a lot of highly intelligent students from public schools. If you can afford private school on long term, go for it.
As for network effect, it does not matter, there are a lot of public school individuals in good companies and big industries.
Honestly speaking, I think going the location route for schools is the best, maybe outside London.
Paying certainly does not equate to success.
I can identify with paying for the education via the expensive house 🙈
Thank you for being open, Chabala :)
Ken I had same experience in Nigeria, I think I had over 70 in my class at secondary school. For my son, I'd rather save up for his university rather than send him to private school now, mainly because I am working towards towards financial independence. However, if I could, I would definitely send him to private secondary. He's in catholic primary currently as we're true Catholics, not faking. Haha. Love your hair by the way Mary :-)
😂🤣 at faking it. Love this reflection. With uni, we're co-investing with our kids (If They do eventually go to uni). Good move on prioritising your personal goals. We did exactly that.
@@TheHumblePenny I'd like to learn more about that - co-investing. 🤔
I just really appreciate Ken and his Queen Mary who also matches up with her own in-depth perceptions and analysis. On a personal level, with hindsight I should have listened to my wife and put my sons into private primary school, the price of secondary private school is too expensive and will come at the expense of a life of zero investment. However, my wife intrusively supervises my children home work as a teacher. Thanks for sharing.
Much love, bro! Love your reflection here with hindsight. Secondary school private fees is no joke at all.
The issue is not whether the choice is PRIVATE VS STATE education. The question is *what kind* of education is best for Afrịkans _(EVERYONE who is descended from Afrịka)_
Faith schools are good because ALL of those who attend, generally have a similar cultural understanding. For a school to be successful, you NEED to have a common culture. A common mindset. So in Catholic schools, an Irish, polish and Zimbabwean - because of catholicism - will work together.
I taught in 2 different schools in the same catchment area, but one was catholic, the other wasn't. The behavior and mindset in the catholic school was far better than in the state school. Far better👍🏿
I think your view on education is dependent on WHY you educate your children. Most will do so because they want their children to be a productive and successful member of society.
But for Afrịkans.... I would suggest that is *NOT* the reason we are educated.
We are educated so that we can acquire *EVERYTHING* ndị ọcha has "for us" - then *GO* and make your nation, your motherland, your ancestral home what it was always meant to be.
Last point.
It saddens me that with *SO MANY* Afrịkans who are teachers in the UK, especially those who are Christians - we don't have a *CURRICULUM* that is aimed at our own ppl. During the lock down of 2020, I wss able to homeschool them.
2 were in ks2
1 in year 8
We did NOTHING on history and geography apart from Afrikan (specifically Nigerian for our case) history.
We were able to go MUCH further and deeper in literacy and numeracy than schools offer.
Yes, there are gaps in their learning,
BUT
where there are no gaps, my children are EXCELLING in that area.
Private or grammar school is a no brainer...just don't allow them to turn "white".
Look around at those who were educated in the west, in private schools - look at their lives. Are they married to Afrikans? Do they acknowledge their own Afrikan identity
Or
Do they carry a deep scar which ONLY comes out many years later.
Give your children as WIDE an experience as possible.... When they are still young. Ks1 or 2.
And for state schools, use tutors and online education cators/resources to help you👍🏿
Just WOW. You shared A LOT here. Thank you for contributing
Analysis on point !
Thank you
Well said
I think the UK should phase out private education altogether because ultimately that's the only way to get the wealthy in society to be truly invested in the quality of the state education system. Additionally, if the likes of David Cameron and Boris Johnson went to primary and secondary school with pupils outside of their own social class then perhaps there would be less of a divide between the elite and working class of Britain.
We definitely agree that the quality of the state system should be a massive priority.
What’s the benefit for the ruling class in doing what you’ve suggested?
@@joey-pn3xe I never said it was likely to happen 😉
Getting rid of private schools would just result in school by postcode ( best schools in expensive areas to buy a house in ) and networking by rich would continue by other means.
I got my good education at the Scottish equivalent of a grammar school. If you were academic you went to one school, if more practically inclined you went to the other. Made sense. While I was there my school was made to go comprehensive. Standards go right down when the " interested" kids are mixed with those who just want to mess around. Peer pressure means that some kids just sink to the lowest denominator instead of fulfilling their potential. Streaming only helps a bit.
More recently- One of my own kids went to our local state secondary and thrived there. His brother needed a different setup and thrived at a local private school. Horses for courses. Glad we had the option of choice, thanks to Scottish government ( at the time ) insisting private schools had to provide a significant level of bursary availability.
@@pingupenguin2474 The government would need to get involved to create true equity in schooling, similarly to what they are doing in Finland.
My issue with the privately educated toffs is that it seems that intelligence & general value follows a very narrow mold, so they churn these people who speak & look a certain way.
I went to private catholic school for Pre-K (pre-kingeraten) and public school from kindergarten to 10th grade then I finished the rest of my private school at a private Catholic School! Is private school worth for secondary school/high school? NO! I love my parents and I'm thankful for their sacrifice in putting me in private high school, but it was not worth it. The students at the private school were SO MEAN! I was so shocked, because I thought students educated in the Catholic faith would be nicer but they was so mean and stuck up. I got bullied both in public and private school but the bullying was worse in private school for sure. The regular/on-level classes in private school are equivalent to the honors classes in public school, so its not even worth it to say private school has a better cirriculum than public school. I think it's good idea to put children in private school in the early formative years, because the prayers I learned in private school in pre-k, I went home and taught my family and I still remember to this day. But private school is DEFINITELY not worth the money for secondary school. I was also 1 of 6 black students in the entire private high school after coming to majority black students in public school, but that was one of the good things about private school, because there was so few of us, we knew each together and we stuck together. I am still best friends with one of the girls I met at the private high school and we have known each together for 16 years now! lol!
"Not saving for their retirement"?
Children's education must always come first. That is the only investment that matters (in my African voice 😅)
Thanks for sharing this video.
African-British here, went to private boarding. Got 3 kids in day private school from prep (primary) level to Sixth Form. It's not easy financially but it's worth it. Best investment.
You're great parents. May God continue to bless you, your children and family.
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The oppourtuinity cost of your money is hardly mentioned in this video. You could invest the ££ in an index fund or a rental property over the many years of education and get a huge return on your money. This in turn could pay for university or set your child up for life on the property ladder. I think you missed a whole discussion area.
Yes, this is an important point but one that needs a whole different video but on the same topic. Thanks for sharing.
I never thought about doing 50/50 to be honest, most of the schools in my area you kind of progress through nursery up to the connecting secondary. I want to 100% get my son (& maybe future children) a tutor as well as teach them further life skills ourselves. Luckily there are a few teachers in the family also
Interesting that by having schools that go all the way, you saw it as the norm. Thanks for sharing. Tutoring is a good thing in our opinion but it really depends on who does the tutoring and also on the child.
Dear humble Penny,Oxford and Cambridge are currently taking 69%state school kids so the best thing you can do is to give your children the best Opportunity to go to Oxbridge is to send them to State Secondary Sch/Grammar schools.
Very true.
I appreciate the additional competition from state schools because it can only make Oxbridge better. But I’ve not heard private schools subscriptions do down… so there’s more to this than getting into Oxbridge. I’ve noticed many state entrants went to private school in primary… this stat has more nuance than it seems.
The best thing is to send your child to a state sch sec sc then the money you put have used to send them to private sch save it towards buying their first flat
@@carolcarol1916 i think that’s a very good idea! Depends on what works for you and your family…
A quick google search reveals that the average fee at a private school in the UK is around £15k a year. How can anyone even start justifying a primary school being more expensive than studying at Oxford? Is the only available alternative a 90-people class in Lagos or what? :D
Haha, hence why this remains very topical. Lots to say on this topic and each to their own, of course. Private education doesn't guarantee success. Neither does state education. In the end, it comes down to the individual and a collection of circumstances, life events, experiences, etc.
Do you not think it would have been more advisable for the kids to have done private education during secondary for networking opportunities? I think it would be easier to maintain their networks/friendships when a bit older ????
We focused on Primary because the formative years to us are very important.
Interesting video...I'm interested to know if you will consider private secondary education if your kids don't pass 11+ exams to get into grammar school (hopefully this won't be the case)?
We'll only if by scholarship. Our kids have been playing musical instruments for years and we'd hope that might help. But our preference is not to bother with all that and for them to do State (ideally Grammar, although not guaranteed). We also do not under any circumstance want to go down the path of paying for secondary education. We just don't want to. So in the worst case scenario, it will be State (non grammar).
My husband and I considered private education for our daughter who is now 7, however we live in the Countryside in a remote area and only have 1 school that is within a easy commute (20mins). The other school is about a 40mins drive so that was a no go.
In the end we sent her to a CofE school then Ofsted report came out 😪😪. Funnily enough the private school close to us also rated very low with ofsted.
Anyway, we are doing private lessons during the week to compensate 😞.
I came to the UK at 16years old and attended college here (the college was said to be one of the worst) but I didn't do too bad in life. I feel environment is a factor but I also believe that if you are driven to achieve and focused then you can excel, despite the cons!
True on all counts. Worth mentioning that we shouldn't overlook the drive and determination that you have from coming to the UK from another country. This is something harder to replicate for children born in the UK.
Your accent s like ever child born in the UK mean excellent
Great content as always guys!
Me and wife are in this dilemma atm, so this came at a good time.
Personally i come from an immigrant pakistani family, i was privately educated for around 9 years and my parents went into debt for it. Luckily as a result i now have high level degree and a high earning job. Im now in a position where ive helped my parents clear the private school debts amongst other debts. So I guess it worked it well for everyone!
Looking at my children now, i like the idea of a private primary education in the hope they can by year 6 sit entrance exams to get into grammar school or even private schools with full scholarships! The hard work begins😀
Humza, thank you for sharing your perspective coming from a Pakistani family. We appreciate you doing that :).
Will there be a part two to this video?
What would you like to see in Part 2?
Perhaps exploring additional anecdotal evidence and personal experiences of individuals attending private schools, particularly within African communities, could provide valuable insights. Consider hosting a live or recorded debate/discussion on this intriguing topic. I'm a big fan of the channel, by the way. 😊
Really surprised by you saying the teachers at private schools are 'higher quality', 'better qualified' and 'really love the kids', as if those at state schools don't. Actually private school teachers don't have to have formal qualifications, and the schools don't go through the same intensive Ofsted reviews (instead having a different system). There are amazing and mediocre teachers in both systems. Talk about the workload, and stress and the challenges state school teachers face, sure, but not them as people and professionals 🙄
Please remember that we're speaking from our experience. We make this clear in the video and can't speak for every single school. There are ofcourse good and bad teachers at all school types.
Don't seek status. Status is so zero sum. I have been educated in a private school in my home country before moving to uk.
What was your experience?
@@TheHumblePenny Everyone one wants to be famous. No one wants to be rich and anonmyous. Lol.
I have found some true friends who match my values. And I hope some of the alumni network connections will benefit. But people compete amoungst each other so it can be tiring. Also people don't seem to grasp the freedom that comes with minimalism. I don't claim to have the solution though. Public school kids are also very status seeking. Unfortunately schools end up pressuring everyone to enter the rat race. So many parents will consider homeschooling as to escape the rat race. I have considered it for my kids. I don't have them yet. Lol. Overthinking from now. But also hope and pray that they figure it out wherever they go. Who knows. I don't have the solution. But its good to be surrounded by well wishers and have these discussions.
@@enscebose8466 I very much like the idea of being rich and anonymous. Being famous doesn't mean much to us at all. We have some visibility but that's definitely not the goal. It just comes with the domain of what we do and also has many disadvantages. Thanks for sharing your reflection.
@@TheHumblePenny would you want to share the disadvantages?
I'm sure the negative comments should not hurt. Other people's judgement is a reflection of them and not you.
I'm sure you also meet many like minded friends and many well wishers.( I ask this cause I'm thinking of starting a youtube channel about minimalism and spirituality perhaps.)
And when I meant famous I meant in the show business/ glamourous page 3 kind of way. I know you aren't like that Ken 🤗.
@@enscebose8466 haha, appreciate that :). Your YT Channel idea sounds very interesting. I'd watch it.
Re disadvantages, there is the mental health dimension that people don't see. There is also the pressure to show up. That's real.
But the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.
Very interesting topic. I don’t see the difference between private school and a state/grammar school where the child has to do a entrance exam to get in. Private school isn’t worth it as you don’t know if your child is mature enough/intellectually curious to do well at school. So why would you want spend soo much money on someone when you have no idea for what their appetite for learning is. In addition, if a child goes to private school, they will have unnecessary pressure to do well at school and then will feel extremely guilty/sad if they didn’t do well. Personally, I don’t think teachers are better at private school it’s just a smaller class size and you have better connections/network but is this really worth all of that money when you can go to a state/grammar school for free?
Really enjoyed this video and topic. I've been waiting on it lol
Parental involvement is key-state or private. Enjoyed reading the comments also and taking a balanced view.
I employ all to watch the video on youtube. It really heightens some of the points you've made in this video
'Posh kids go to state school'
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Hey Racheal, we'll definitely watch that video. Thanks for sharing :)
Its genuinely not worth it.
Catholic is weird