Jim Cornette on The Undertaker & Kane's Supernatural Powers
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- From Episode 133 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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"No one really believed he was undead creature from beyond the grave." I did. 😐 😂
Til i was 12 i was terrified of undertaker
yes me too :)
Jim always talks completely forgetting that most of us get into this stuff as kids, so yes, some did believe Taker was undead...
Why can't he accept that pro-wrestling is not a sport, it's a show. A show that is put on by incredible athletes that put themselves in real danger, but still a show. It's basically theatre, Jim, suspend your disbelief. If you want combat sports, go and watch MMA.
As a 9 year old child I knew he was not a zombie or undead
Same here.
For the record! When I was a kid and I saw Kane throwing lightning and fire everywhere, I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen!
Me too
Exactly!
It was, Jim is just part of several generational wrestling personalities who gets grumpy because the next generation does something that 'isn't believable', like a guy being smashed over a turnbuckle by an opponent and keeps going when the opponent stops smashing him, a skit which Jim actually championed, you know there was some older gen guys who didn't like that.
That is what they were talking about. 94 Royal Rumble. Thankfully Undertaker and yokozuna had another casket match at Survivor series 1994 which was was better.
The one with chuck Norris guarding the casket, that was awesome. Yokozuna was such a good heel.
Undertaker and Kane worked because it was dark, creepy and weird instead of silly. They were the freaky strange part of WWE. Mankind too. Loved that era.
The greatest storyline of all time: the suspense, the creepiness, then the debut THATS GOTTA BE KANE
nWo is the greatest. You think cape wearing Kane was so great? He couldn't even beat his own brother.
@@quentinkaasa47
That's not really an anti-feat, cause Undertaker is unbeatable if he's going all out unless he's an old man severely passed his prime.
Thanks for proving my point. Kane was never really on Undertaker's level. Just another big monster brought in to feud with 'Taker. Booger Red was winning the tag title with Austin and The Rock while Kane was partners with X-Pac and The Hurricane.
@@quentinkaasa47
Kane beat the shit out of many others of the best throughout his career though. And people would flat out opt to run from him. Like I said, Taker is hax'd as hell, and NO ONE under the sun is on prime undertakers level, so saying "he couldn't EVEN beat his brother" is completely arbitrary on your end as a reason why Kane wasn't that great. Also you moved the goalpost. First you insinuated he wasn't great but then you say he's not on undertakers level, and I'm not arguing that. No one is on undertakers level.
They killed Kane with the one day title run. After that everybody knew he was stuck as a Mid Carder. He should've dropped the title back to Austin at the next PPV.
My favorite part of Kane’s entrance is when he stood in the middle of the ring and picked up his arms and then threw them down and all 4 corners lit up 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I used to freak people out cus I would say, "Kane's gonna be here tonight" as soon as I saw the ring posts, I still don't get how nobody else would notice
As a kid I loved Undertaker rising out of the stadium mostly because I didn't know how they did it.
they forget alot of things in wwe in the early 90's was aimed towards kids ..AEW not so much
@@Stacks_Gaming1 That's no excuse.
That is same as Braun strowman being booked as a monster that is strong enough to flip over semi trucks, ambulances and stages but gets beat up by everyone.
Hmm, makes sense
Strowman was done the moment he got "slimed." I thought, nahhh...to allow this to happen to yourself on TV? Nahh, you don't have IT like Taker and Kane did!
A necromancer biker wizard capable of lightning magic, the ability to teleport and create weather in the arena is the greatest gimmick of all time. His brother being a serial killer fire wizard known for burning and abducting people who's also a corporate executive and major is a close second.
The Brothers of Destruction are those rarest of characters that can do 'supernatural' stuff and the audience will buy into the vast majority of it, that's what they do and it's cool.
Yep, I disagree with Cornette's point of view.
I’m still trying to figure out what the Hell is “Hulking up”. Hogan no sold the most devastating finishers in wrestling and the only explanation was “HE’S HULKING UP”.
Lawler too
It's an exaggerated version of an adrenaline rush.
It just meant that he got pissed and had enough shit and got adrenaline in him and became impervious to pain for a minute
I could be wrong, but I always thought it tied into the Incredible Hulk character at the time. On the old TV show, one of Bruce Banner's catchphrases was 'don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry', and that kind of tied into the 'Hulking up' - Hogan was simply so angry at having been beaten down that he momentarily turned into a monster, long enough to no-sell another couple of punches, then hit the Big Boot and Leg Drop.
It was just a comeback with theatrics :)
Roid rage 😆
Me as an adult agrees with Jim but kid me knows how stoked i got when i saw Taker use his pyro-power to make his rivals poop their pants.
As a kid i was in awe. A young mark was born. So i suppose its for the kids
yep, jims wrong about taker and kane when it came to anybody under 15 watching wrestling. even older before 1988.
It's cool.
and the product is for kids
@@MephProduction now more than ever.
@@krich8822 true, but that just means they overdid the kiddie stuff now, due to lack of competition. which is why some alternatives must remain, though obviously ideally they'd get their act together, and perhaps allow more regional franchises/promotions to please the different fans in some areas.
I’m from the UK, we had Kendo Nagasaki in the 80s, one time in a tag match he used the power of hypnosis on an opponent, and the hypnotised guy then attacked his own teammate, as a kid that blew my mind.
Kendo was the bee's bollocks.
@@herbert9241
He also refused to drop the gimmick until very recently; I think he got outed by a newspaper, when he was involved in a lawsuit back in the early 2000’s, but he didn’t acknowledge it himself until very recently- I think it was when he published his book.
To keep it going, long after “kayfabe” had been pretty much dead for the the past 20+ years; he might have been involved in some “questionable” storylines, involving his mystical powers, but that’s what I call being committed to your fucking gimmick haha.
All the best. 👍😀
Lol couldn’t tell 9 year old me that Taker wasn’t believable. At certain points, if the lights started flickering in my house, I was completely shook.
Translation: “I was collecting a paycheck so I didn’t complain about it.”
Anthony Cruz So then he should cut a promo on himself for being involved with it.
@@chrispyhtila5902 exactly!! Hypocresy on its purest form 😂
@@TheUltimateVoid he's not above blaming himself for doing anything wrong lmao I think you overlooked that
@@96mrjonesLmao Jim blaming himself for something even if he was directly involved, good joke.
Kane was heavily inspired by horror icon Michael Myers, he was originally just an indestructible dude who was hard to keep down.
That was Kanes gimmick, before he started throwing fireballs.
I dont know. It seems like "Kane" was inspired by the original canaanites of ancient times. The canaanites also wore masks. Kane fans are called "Kannenites", like canaanites".
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The two influences dont have to be mutually exclusive. Jim said that the influence of Kane was Micheal myers. But it could also be a mix of what you said as well.
They killed Kane after the one day title run. After that everybody knew he was stuck as a Mid Carder. He should've dropped the title back to Austin at the Next PPV.
Wrestlers have "thrown fireballs" at people's faces long before Kane was a thing.
And Taker was doing the Mike Meyers thing long before Kane existed.
@@Wadzillia Mid carder? My dude, The last 5 years alone he's been in most main event feuds. Even when he shouldn't have been.(Yes also including his inactive last 2 years). Unless Roman Reigns Seth rollins and Brock Lesnar are all mid carder too.
When Taker debuted, those gray gloves were creepy, weren't they? Dude was scary to most kids; I thought it was amazing!
Purple gloved and tie Undertaker with the sleeves torn off is my favorite version of Undertaker. Ironically the Deadman gimmick he's been using for the last 15 years or so is my least favorite.
Nathan Sanders In my humble opinion, I think that gimmick ran its course after he had beaten HBK the second time at WM. It was great up until that point.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother That's because he should have retired many years ago, and never lost at WM.
Retro Revelations I agree.
GREAT gloves.
Undertaker is one of the best wrestling characters/gimmicks in the history of the business. Corny can hate "unrealistic" shit in wrestling all he wants. But some of the best moments in wrestling, ever, involved Taker doing "supernatural" shit.
I decided to read the comments section first and I'm glad I did. It saved from watching.
The Undertaker has:
The best Gimmick
The best promos
The best Storylines
The best entrance
The best Theme Music
The best look...
The shooting lightening bolts was too much.
The only time the Undertaker gimmick wasn’t absolutely stupid was when he was the American Badass.
@@HorrorFreak68 That wasn't the Undertaker gimmick.
HorrorFreak68 you are in the minority with this opinion. Most people (including me) love the deadman gimmick.
I think everyone bought into the supernatural powers of Kane and Undertaker. It worked with their gimmick, and people to this day believe that Undertaker and Kane are supernatural. Besides, if what Undertaker did with his lightning and teleportation didn't help him, he wouldn't have used it for as long as he did.
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I don’t usually thumbs up a post where people tell me to thumbs, but I agree with you
Lol adult swim
even just animation using pre existing audio would be great.
I was five at the time that undertaker gimmick scared the life outta me as a kid
loved taker floating away from the casket, it was symbolic and theatrical , worked perfectly for taker
It takes some serious dedication and a special kind of talent to make those kinds of gimmicks work. Not only do people need to believe that you're all kinds of messed up when they see you on tv, they need to believe you're always that way.
If you look at guys like Kane and The Undertaker in their prime, and Bray Wyatt now, even their private lives revolved around keeping themselves hidden away from the public to protect that image.
I think that's a big part of why it just seems goofy as hell to see someone like Matt Hardy acting like a crazy person with superpowers. We all know damn well that's not who Matt Hardy is, and nothing about it is authentic, and if you can't make people believe you're nuts, you sure as hell can't make em believe you have supernatural powers.
Perfectly said.
Pure facts
Also, PHYSICAL THREAT.
Kane/Undertaker are 7ft 300lbs!!
Matt looks "average dude".
@Justin Sime everyone saw him wrestling without a mask for nearly two years in WWF before the Kane character. You just don't know much about wrestling if you didn't know what he looked like without the mask.
@@jaydav6521 as a kid/early teen I didn't know what Kane looked like. It was a big surprise when we found out he was fake Diesel after reading a dirt sheet style news site.
It's great that Jim clarified that he also had issues with Kane and Taker's supernatural stuff as well as similar items. Sometimes, people just want to have a little bit of stupid fun, so let them have an outlet for that. However, the main point of these criticisms against Jim is that even with the unironic supernatural gimmicks, wrestling as a business didn't die a horrible death for it. People can have fun with stupid things that are done reasonably well, so give AEW a chance to to Broken Matt well.
@Joe Greene
If only NWA would get more production value and publicity, and then Cody Rhodes, MJF, Lance Archer with Jake Roberts, Jericho and the other top guys at AEW went there. And of course putting Jim Cornette back in and giving him a leadership position. That would be the best thing for wrestling right now.
- NWA should get better budget/production value. It looks like shit compared to AEW and WWE.
- the top guys at AEW (MJF, Jericho, Lance Archer Cody Rhodes Matt Hardy, etc..) leave and go to NWA
- Put jim Cornette and Jake Roberts in leadership positions along with a few others.
My guess is, that would revive wrestling. However, this will sadly never happen.
Lol no just no. Undertaker and kane is cool. Broken Matt hardy isn't. I was never high on that guy anyways . His brother is the talented one in the ring.
Sharikacat wrestling is dead from a kayefabe/serious standpoint but fans are still there
Da Cashman would you add the Matt hardy edge storyline with your list?
yeah but Jim wants us to believe the Heavenly bodies can get punched in the face night after night for 20 years, and go out the next night every single time without a busted nose or busted lip or bruise to show for it. Sometimes Corny is an idiot.
he’s basically finding a way to ignore that wrestling’s always been a bit silly and cosplayish, but we love it
But when it was, people shit on it.
This comment exactly. Ric Flair comes out in a glittery bath robe, and punches a guy right in the nose, or pokes him right in the eye, or punches him right in the dick, and the other guy is fine, no broken nose, no busted lip, no broken dick. In fact the main way to get 'color' (blood) is they have to cut themselves with a razor. But he expects us to believe all that bullshit, with guys jumping up to help other guys body slam or suplex them, and you can hear the fuckers talking the whole match in the ring. Yeah, ok Jim, the super natural gimmicks are what we're supposed to critique. You idiot. He's marking against his own buisness. This is a Vince Russo level of stupid move to make. Didn't expect it from Corny.
@Joe Greene and the world needs you? You didn't even say anything. I at least contributed to the conversation. Did you struggle to put together that one sentence?
@@freespeechisdead1565 from what your example is, ric doing stuff that can actually be done (ie. Punching) but the other guy has no bumps or scratches to prove it. You can get into a fight and not have a scratch on you. I've seen many fights and boxing fights where no one was in bad shape, not saying it happens every time but it happens. Your example of what bullshit is, is just stupid because even the wannabe wrestlers do that. Your shutting on the business as a whole not just on what jim "protects". But when the hell have you gotten on an argument with someone and they start teleporting or they were a hologram as aew said. She have you seen someone use their dick to hurt someone in a fight. I've seen and Indy move where a guy used "the force" to chokeslam someone. And my reply to first guy was everyone wants to say there was comedy shit in wrestling, but what people dont say is every time there was, people shit on it. If aew or any Indy show did Trump vs O'Donnell like wwe did, they would cheer it when they originally booed it. AEW, WWE, Indy shows, it's not comparing apples to oranges when it comes to stupid shit. If aew or Indy shows did the stupid shit wwe did, they would get cheered when wwe got booed. And it's not that it's better either. Like I said it's not apples to oranges. They're both selling you oranges from the same tree, you just want an excuse to say someone is better.
@@dahustla95 You're marking out just like Jim. Two things happens when you hit someone with a closed fist unprotected hand. You break skin on the other person's face or leave knots and you break your fucking hand. And they do it every single night and not a mark on anyone. Yes, that is just as ridiculous as someone using the force or a dead man raising the lights. Also the guys have to bend their knees and jump up on slams and presses and suplexes, otherwise the other person simply would not be able to lift that dead weight. They also have to do a crunch or sit up in many of those moves, or even balance their feet straight otherwise they would be dead weight and not be able to lift. It's all part of the show. When you attack one part of the show you must attack ALL parts of the show. That's what Jim did, and it's what you are doing. Any other idiots care to respond to me? I don't mind, but could you not be as dumb as these last two?
Paul Bearer: “You are a murderer, Undertaker! You are a G*d damn murderer!”
Me: “So is he gonna get arrested or what?
Remember when Yokozuna and half the Royal Rumble entrants killed the Undertaker, and he ascended into Heaven?
Don't be silly...as the camera inside the smoking coffin showed, the Undertaker was cremated and reborn on the spot and teleported by smoke and lightning to the top of the titan tron. Some people, I swear.
Good times
Yeah, they sort of discuss it in this clip
People don't believe any of the stuff because of it's over exposure. The internet and people going around leaking everything about the business is what's killing it.
also true, kayfabe is dead and the smark-friendly backstage drama is a cottage industry of its own, which doesn't help.
My Dad and I would get so mad when Taker would balance out in the middle of the top rope while holding an opponent in an arm bar....
Then came Stone Cold who yanked Taker off the damn rope!
We both yelled .. "About Time!"
LOL.
That's what you call ole school. Back in WCW days it was quite rare to see a big guy do stuff like that...
He originally copied Don Jardine who would legit walk the roles to the center then spring off onto his opponent.
At first, Mean Mark did it like Jardine did it, but Mean Mark botched it sometimes, so they started having him hold a guys arm to balance himself so he wouldn’t get hurt or embarrass himself on tv.
Tim B. Yes, the Spoiler
Yeah they just walk along with him instead of pulling him down. Yet another ridiculous thing undertaker gets away with and everyone just goes gooey eyed for him. Same people who criticise hulk hogan for not being a great wrestler but when do you ever see undertaker doing great wrestling?
@@cutekanjii you havent watched the taker he could jump over the ropes 5 feet on to people hes 6 9 315 pounds not supposed to be able to do that you havent watched any wrestling
Who does these graphics? They’re amazing
Travis Heckel
Artwork by Travis Heckle. Says it on every episode.
Thanks fellas
He's a troll he's obvs winding you up haha
Josh J That wasn’t a troll lol
Then he's really gonna be pissed regarding Taker's fight with Styles. lol
Waiting for it
Bet he really didn't like the firefly funhouse match
It's not so far off to believe that the Undertaker has supernatural powers after he got burned and still finished the Elimination Chamber match.
WCW booked "THE YETI!"
That was so bad , I think most fans blocked it out of thier memory.
Guys like Flair, Vader and Sid were just as cartoony as anything in the WWF.
AKA "The Yet-AAAYYYYYY!" 😂👍
And the yet-aaay! walked out there and helped the giant sandwich dry hump Hogan half to death. I nearly died laughing
And Robo Cop
In the words of Bane "Theatricality and deception,powerful agents to the uninitiated". Its not supernatural,its theatricality and deception by the Undertaker to get in his opponents head. Not sure how Cornette can understand this when its about his 3000 year old, dead pharoah,but not the Undertaker lol. If he can convince you he's supernatural in the back of your head for a second,it could be an advantage.
Yes but Undertaker was actually doing supernatural stuff.
@@dungeon-wn4gw No he was using special effects. But if you bought into his persona,which is what he wanted,yes it would appear supernatural.Even with ascending to the heavens,obviously a pre recorded stunt to keep his aura and add to his persona.You could easily not be afraid of Undertaker rolling his eyes back in his head. If it scares you,you have bought in due to the overall theatricality.
Omg yessss that whole spirit of undertaker going into the heavens on the titantron was HILARIOUS!!! 😂🤣😂🤣
That Kane looks amazing
Lol the undertaker to heaven moment was the first thing i thought about when jim hated matt. Its the goofyest moment in wwe history imo. Wcw with chucky and robocop?
Rick Steiner ... " you're a dummy ,.... Ya you're a dummy"
I remember Undertaker doing the walking out on the top rope thing and thinking that was insane because it's a 7ft monster seemingly effortlessly doing something a high flyer would do
That Taker segment at the 94 Rumble is one of my all time favorites. It helped build the character of the Undertaker and helped build SummerSlam of 94.
I love Jim but he's overthinking it. When kayfabe was alive, the different normative values of these gimmicks, the shock and awe, the thirty years of pops and reactions they've both received override the realist perspective of Jim being someone who hasn't been able to look at the product as an outsider for decades.
I disagree with this one. Without the phenom version of Taker his career would've ended a while back and it was mostly supernatural.
@Re Up yes, you can speak on behalf of hundreds of thousands of former AEW viewers and millions of former WWE viewers. Is that not a wee bit arrogant?
By 2003 the Undertaker had been controlled by an urn, came from the dead and Kane had choke slammed people to hell. Your timeline isn't lining up.
@Jay T says who? And what's the relevance to anything that I've put here?
I have to agree with Cornette on the magic shit. Kane is actually my fave of all time, but when it goes beyond the indestructible rage monster into metaphysical super powers, it loses me
I am probably the biggest Undertaker fan, but even I can admit that he was forced into doing some hokey bs, as a kid I didn't mind as much, and I even used the Rumble 94 as proof against wrestling naysayers that he really was from the dark side lol but looking back, to his buried alive match with Mankind for example, all the heels bury him in about a foot and a half of sand in a 6 foot grave, but Taker manages to push his hand through the dirt and grass in front of the tombstone five feet above his body lol
Just out of curiosity though, can someone explain to me how they did the lightning effect in WWF/E?
I’m pretty sure the ‘lightning’ effect was edited in for TV, the live crowd didn’t see it. Imo the coolest thing Taker ever did was busting out of a burning casket to attack Orton back at Survivor Series 2006 I think it was.
Is something the crowd couldn't see they just heard the noise, as the other guy said it was only for TV
Never knew it was edited. Makes sense they didn't do the real thing, lol.
@@crowns9966 are you sure? It is possible to create an arc between two points far enough apart to give it that effect. You wouldn't want to be anywhere near it when they fired it up, but it is doable
@@loganjonesTTMS 2005
I fucking love this guy. There should be a TV channel with him on 24hours a day just shooting on everyone
I used to think Kane was some kind of robot/android and when he had a button on his hip that set the turnbuckle on fire lol
Undertaker and Kane's explicitly supernatural powers mostly came under Russo, and we all know how much Jim supports Russo's "work."
SuperDevolution summoning the forces of evil on a pole match.
Taker was always a deadman. His original gimmick is as a undead old west Undertaker. He’s always been a supernatural character.
@@RedFox0909 "Mean" Mark Calloway wasn't a deadman.
Wonder Guy mark Calloway wasn’t taker, which is what he said,
chi tai anyone could do great with that roster
As a kid, I didn't think Undertaker was really undead, I didn't really think Warrior was an extradimensional superpowered half-god, and I didn't think Macho was really a walking LSD trip.
I was wrong about only one of those. RIP Randy Savage, you are and always will be my favorite wrestler of all time.
Im 50/50 on this one. Some of the "supernatural" things that Kane and Taker did were badass and added to their mystique like the lightning bolts and Taker hovering to the ring and Kane summoning fire on the ring and out of it and some just were cringe worthy. An example was Kane hitting Chyna in the eye with a firebolt. I couldnt tell if it was practical effects or some shitty early age CGI but it just looked really low budget B movie effect.
Sorry, but i for one (as a kid) really believed that Kane and Taker can do this shit.. had it been anyone else, it would have been funny.. but these 2 (in 97 and 98), there was just an aura about them (the way they played their characters) that just made you believe “holy crap this might be real”. (Because no one else on earth looked like them). The one thing that i never got, was Kane setting the camera man on fire, so why wouldn’t he just do that to his opponents? Why wrestle a match at all? I viewed Taker as this Biblical Priest, and Kane as a Michael Myers type but also with Biblical powers lol.
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I believed Kane was burned in a house fire......
They had an inferno match a couple times where the ring was surrounded by fire. Although they didn't need it it was cool.
WCW fans stopped watching wrestling because they didn't like all the hokey cartoon wrestling in WWE.
Also Dungeon of Doom
Also Robocop
Also Kiss Demon
Also Glacier
Justifying Undertakers gimmick in modern context is easy...go watch The Dark Knight...the thugs at the beginning of the movie say he(joker)is a dude who wears face paint to intimidate people...Taker is a wrestler whos playing a part...he uses his entrance his attire the whole 9 yards to scare his opponents
GREAT ANALOGY! To put Joker and The Undertaker in the same sentence is legendary.
The current version of the Undertaker debuted after he was buried alive by Kane. He definitely is a mystical zombie. Yet, he was still over.
@@anonymous_5016 No.That was 2004-2010.He got buried alive and returned as the The Last Outlaw in 2011,he refreshed that in 2014 becoming "The Gunslinger" and started showing characteristics of that trope,one being huge loss despite willpower(the streaks end).Currently he appears to be biker and dead man fusion.
Edit:I fucked up and forgot he got buried alive twice by kane,sorry you are right.
WCW had RoboCop and Sting hangout with each other back in the day. And let's not forget that Ultimate Warrior started doing spooky shit and having powers when he went to WCW to face Hulk Hogan (the infamous "Hulk Hogan seeing the Ultimate Warrior's reflection in the mirror but, no one else can see him" angle comes to mind). Wrestling became almost like Marvel, starting in the 90s.
More examples of outlandish gimmicks:
- Adam Bomb (nuclear explosion survivor with green eyes)
- Max Moon (a robot wrestler from Outer Space)
- Mantaur (supposedly a wrestling Minotaur)
Nah, I’m ok with The Undertaker having supernatural powers & Kane being able to shoot fire. But anyone else doing it is stupid & insults my intelligence because it makes no damn sense.
I think Undertaker and Kane made it work, with Matt Hardy doing it, it's just stupid.
And I'm all for a crazy psycho Matt Hardy, just the shit he wants to do, it makes it look stupid. Have Matt Hardy turn heel and be a crazy psychotic motherfucker who talks to himself or something, make him a dominant heel on the roster, and have him cut promos from his compound or some shit.
One of my biggest wrestling memories as a kid was the Yokozuna undertaker match. Recorded that PPV on VHS. From an adult perspective it probably did seem bad but to 6 year old me it was believable. I have memory of green smoke coming from Paul bearers urn. The video’s of Paul Bearer talking and the undertaker building caskets. I remember one of those I think toward kamala. Great memories. I don’t know what demographic they were trying to reach but I’d guess it really hit a bunch of kids like me.
I was 6 years old when the 94 Royal Rumble happened and I loved the segment when Taker appeared on the screen. Well. Actually I still love it to this day.
I thought everything Undertaker and Kane did was real lol they were so invested in their gimmicks
Real Cornette fans already knew he talked about the goofy Undertaker burial in 94.
“HATED IT!” 😂😂😂😂
Let me find out Cornette used to watch ‘In Living Color’ !!
I'll never forget Undertaker's lightning strike at Royal Rumble 2006.
Wrestling is a WORK 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Sometimes it just works. It worked with Kane and Undertaker. The wrong lesson is that it works with everyone.
When i was a kid i used to believed he was undead 😁
The thing with The Undertaker and Kane was they don't do it all the time, and they only use it outside the matches.
I fully believed in the undertakers gimmick as a child him and bearer were so awesome
I love hearing Cornette talk. He’s the perfect mix of wrestling knowledge and humor. Scott hall comes in 2nd imo
Mcmahon claim it was a power of the undertaker to turn the lights on and off
Now I have bad memories of the whole Katie Vick story. I had to change the channel when Triple H pretended to be Kane and screw a blow up doll, mannequin, or whatever the %#*^ it was.
Hahaha that scene was so disgusting. Pretty sure my parents made me turn the channel lol
'Oh my god, I humped your brains out.' *tosses spaghetti*
I'm just happy to see Kane get some coverage here.
5:15
At least it wasn't the Yeah-tayyy.
The fist time I saw the WWF was a Saturday Night Main event show, they had a Halloween gimmick going. I grew up watching Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes , and thought WWF was actually a wrestling parody. By the time the Undertaker made his debut I was old enough then to know wrestling wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, especially the WWF. I just went with the ride and enjoyed the circus show back then.
The moment he's describing is one of my favourite moments I remembered as a kid. People like this who are all about the 'wrastlin', don't have a sense of what is actually fun and memorable television and storytelling.
I was introduced to Lucha Libre AAA in the early 90s thanks to my uncles and grandparents. In AAA, guys would fight mummies, vampires, clowns, etc. So naturally I'm going to love gimmicks like Kane and Undertaker. Luchadores, to me, were real life superheroes in the ring. Sorry, Corny. Some of us appreciate a little magic in our storylines.
I think he is being hypocritical. For years, The Undertaker has talked about taking other wrestler's souls, and Kane's gimmick is randomly no selling massive damage as if he 'rose from the dead'. I don't mind it personally, to me the silliness can be ok in small amounts sometimes.
And I recently watched a smokey mountain wrestling clip of The Gangstas walking through a cemetery being terrified of The Undertaker showing up. And in my time watching wrestling, it's heavily implied that The Undertaker is capable of teleporting into the ring, while Kane can apparently shoot lightning bolts lol. I think the silliness has always been a part of pro wrestling, even if he doesn't want to admit it.
Did anyone really think Jim would be okay with Kane and Undertaker having supernatural powers? lmao
I’m sorry but I believe every fucking second of it as a kid and the kid in me now still believes in it 😂
This guy is such a Squidward 🤣😂
Is jim right, was wrestling in the 50s, 60s and 70s really the peak in popularity? I thought attitude era had the highest ever ratings
Man that casket match and the video of him in the casket but then the body double floating to the ceiling.... some down right chilling shit but great tv.
Leviathan, Jim wets himself over the Leviathan gimmick every other podcast, " the creature from the deep " how can you harp on about supernatural gimmicks and book a man and have his tagline be the creature from the deep.
You werent meant to think he literally came from the sea mate.
@@1882Stu well I obviously don't think that but why would you use the line everytime you bring it up if it's something you don't want the people to hear? What is the use of that line if you don't want to promote the fact he comes from the deep? Was said every 15seconds on OVW TV too.
M4rt86 it wasn’t a supernatural gimmick which u likened it to in your argument
Marty Jannetty, for those wondering who was "The Undertaker" rising up while Mark Callaway was in the casket
I always heard it was Jeff Jarrett?
Jim, you wrestled a turtle. You sold for a turtle.
The only time I liked the Undertaker is when he was The American Badass.
"HATED IT" God damn Jim a fuckin men on film reference from In Living Color, your a nut and the best kind
Jim’s ideal wrestler is MYSTERIO from Spider-Man
Jeepers Jim...calm the hell down. Man, he can be a debbie downer sometimes..
Jim is really good at coming up with storylines and angles and stuff, but he is completely within the mindset that everything wrestling has to be 'real', as in within the realm of reality; even if everybody nowadays knows that wrestling is just a performance, he's still in "protect the business" mode.
Sometimes?
Agreed with you guys. I'm a huge fan of Jim's. But IMO those undertaker/Kane stories were fun tv. Very believable back in those days! Plus, I was 8 to 9 years old at the time. I'll admit, it was a tab bit cheesy looking back on it but I enjoyed it.
'I will not...REST IN PEACE....!"
so basically Cornette will keep his mouth shut as long as he's getting paid but since he's not getting any money from AEW he'll give his "honest opinion" on them what a hypocrite
Taker went back to his home planet
AEW and Matt Hardy have already explained on RUclips that the teleporting was all in illusion projected by Vanguard-1 to fuck with Jericho.
They talked about that. Look through the videos.
Nothing wrong with the odd supernatural character in wrestling when done well imo
A R apart from on a reality sports based ‘real alternative’ to the cartoony entertainment wrestling fans were sick of WWE turning out ?
cobedizzle wrestling shouldn’t 100% be sports based, njpw is an example of perfect wrestling, how it should be presented, they get as close to sports based as you should. And you still get the odd cartoony character/story. That’s apart of wrestling, if you want wrestling where there’s none of that then you want wrestling where there’s never another Taker, never another stone cold, never another star.
A R I didn’t say it should. AEW said their product would be. It’s not. It’s their version of sports entertainment. It’s WWE lite.
cobedizzle it’s wwe lite because it’s not 100% sports based? No that’s just wrestling. They said they’d be sports based that doesn’t mean they lose all aspects of wrestling that aren’t sports based
A R it’s wrestling created by wwe. That’s their style. AEW is just sports entertainment under another name. Disappointing.
Seems right on all accounts.
All my favorite wrestling moments as a kid involved Taker.. Jake slamming his hand in the casket then dragging it with him going after Roberts,dropping Hogan on his head to win the Belt,locking Warrior in the casket,@ Royal Rumble where he "dies" and is resurrected @ SS 94 (best return imo) him pulling Diesel underneath the ring @ IYH ,Buried alive w/Mankind(hand sticking out of the grave), the Kane fued man i can go all day as a kid it was easier to believe the gimmicks my low key favorite gimmick was Papa Shango beside Taker of course.
Undertaker and Kane having "Super powers" should never have gotten over but it did. It was a billion to one and it was awesome.
Any BS like this is putting money in a slot machine. Most of the time you just lose.
I agree here. Although I do think that you should take something and run with it, however I don't know if the billion in one chance massive success is worth the whole wrestling business. The supernatural stuff did expose the business when it was at its height of popularity, and now that the cat is fully out of the bag, we now live in a world where Kayfabe is dead save for MJF being pretty much the SOLE wrestler to uphold that code. And maybe Lance Archer of AEW but thats yet to be fully seen. And less and less people are taking wrestling "seriously."
@@dungeon-wn4gw why cause mjf bullies kids try that shit with me lol nah but bray wyatt never breaks kayfabe hell he went to court in full gimmick but i get what your saying we need more guys like that
@Joe Greene as much as your lost father
My question got answered sweet.
What's cheesy now is that in this reality era they're trying to do the same thing with Bray Wyatt with the red light and the big ass hammer from death or whatever and being pretty much invincible jumping back up to his feet like nothing ever happened but then squashes it by him losing to Goldberg so I don't know now I can see his cheesy but back then it wasn't because we were in the attitude era and it wasn't the behind the scenes of everything like it is now where we all know what's going to happen on the show before it happens like I was excited whenever an undertaker promo would come out and I would see his magic tricks or powers or whatever even though I didn't think they were real it was still cool
If you paid attention you would see even after he "losed to goldberg" he still popped right on his feet aint shit cheesy about the fiend i can get the funhouse, tho i like it you cant tell me with a straight face that the fiend wouldnt have scared the shit outta of you back in 97' i understand what your trying to say but bray is not in that category
@@yowiewowie9116 I never said Bray Wyatt was cheesy, I like Bray slot even the fiend and when seeing the red lights n how cool it looks it takes me back to when I was a kid looking at taker and Kane but that's not what my point was... Back then we didn't know the behind the scenes n stuff or how matches take place and stuff like we do now so to try n make him so unstoppable to where he can get a sledge hammer to the skull in-between debris and still over power Seth but loose to Goldberg from just 4 spears makes no sense.. lol that's all I was trying to say like the guy that was suppose to be Kurt angles long lost son... Yeah that didn't play out to well.... My point is if they really wanna keep the fiend alive they need to protect the character like they did with undertaker's otherwise there will be a new Bray gimmick n somewhere down the line
Josh Hines Matt hardys stuff is 10 times worse than Wyatt
Undertaker and Kane were cool with a lot of shit they did. The shooting lightning bolts was dumb, but stuff like crucifying Austin or setting opponents on fire got their evilness over. My issue with broken Matt is the shitty comedy he way trying to do in his promo combined with the goofy teleportation. If you're going to do that, then don't put him in a serious "blood and guts" match
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As a kid, I thought that Undertaker Royal Rumble Casket Match stuff was the coolest thing I had ever seen. It made me get into the whole Undertaker story & mythology even more.
That said...MATT HARDY IS NOT THE FUCKING UNDERTAKER!!
Travis, I'm glad that you put Kane in the full mask. You're the 🐐 Mr. Heck
As a kid watching I loved when Kane and Undertaker would use lightning and fire to tell their stories. Nowadays if it’s done it’s not as big an impact on me but I’m sure kids are still in awe of it.