Have you considered doing a vid on the real-deal 550 family too? It's obviously far from forgotten, but seeing as you've covered the FAMAS and SA-80 family, I don't see why not.
Considering he was in Switzerland and has already posted several videos from Neuhausen (where they were/are? made), and he showed a PE90 in this video - I would not be surprised if it’s already in the queue ;-)
Very cool. The 5.6mm Gw Pat 90 used in the Sig 550 by the Swiss is an interesting cartridge, it's the same as a 5.56 bullet they have just changed the materials in order to prevent lead damaging the environment. It's also a very accurate round used in sports shooting. Makes sense really you don't really want lead on the ground getting into water supplies and into food.
true, but tbh i still prefer bolt action for a rifle than pump action. but for shotgun or grenade launcher (china lake grenade launcher) pump action is all the way.
It wasn't supposed to be an alternative or equivalent to a bolt action. It was meant to be an option for people that want an AR-15 type rifle, but live in a place where they're banned.
Such rifles are very popular here in Austria. We have some AR and even AK Variants with Slide-Action. That's because you can get manual operated rifles at the age of 18 without any license and most Semi-Auto rifles are prohibited in Austria. And for the few semi-autos you can get, 5 or 6 AR's, the Steyr AUG, a special SIG 550 Austria variant and some Semi-Auto Hunting rifles, you need to be at lest 21 and also a firearms owners card, in German "Waffenbesitzkarte" or short "WBK". So many people buy those Slide Action Variants.
Najaaa, ich denke mal wir könnten da nen guten Kompromiss finden - oder anders ausgedrückt: das Beste aus beiden Welten. :D Eventuell könnten die Tschechen auch noch ihren Senf dazu geben und wir kriegen die Regeln dann irgendwie EU-weit durchgedrückt. Denn den ganzen Laberköppen zum Trotz: Österreich, Tschechien und Co sind das Paradebeispiel dafür, dass relativ liberale und vernünftige Waffengesetze nicht dazu führen, dass sich jeder Grenzdebile ne Knarre holt und alles und jeden mit der groben Kelle über die Wupper schickt. Dazu brauchste schon ne Bevölkerung, von der ca. 2 % Opioidabhängig ist, n Großteil dank Bildung und Krankenhausrechnung mit mehreren 100k in der Kreide steht und es keinerlei Aussicht auf Verbesserung gibt.
Dja ich würde mir da gern noch ein Scheibchen von der Schweiz abschneiden, weil die sind ja die einzigen außer den US-Amerikanern die auch Vollautomaten bekommen können und das wäre für mich als WK 1 Sammler halt schon interessant hätte schon gern ein MG07/12 oder 08/15. Nebenbei sind ja bei uns Vorderschaftrepetierflinten (aber Halbautomaten sind erlaubt) verboten, dass sind ja auch so Sachen die bei uns ausgemistet gehören. Also alles in allem könnte man schon ein gutes Waffenrecht zusammenbasteln.
So leid es mir auch tut, aber macht euch keine Hoffnung, bevor in unseren verkorxten Hemisphären mal Waffengesetze gelockert werden muss schon die gesammte Regierung ausgetauscht und zwei Dritteln der Bevölkerung mal die Waffen-scheuen Ohren gewaschen werden...
Perfect rifle for here in the UK where the only semi auto rifles we're allowed are .22lr, everything else has to be converted to something like this or straight pull.
Though the Colt SP1 is my personal favorite rifle, I also own a SIG 551A1 and happen to think that the Swiss versions of this rifle, especially the 90's versions, are the finest semi auto rifles ever made. I would LOVE the pump! What a great collectable!
6:00 and on - I think I see a way to convert it to semi-auto for cheap, despite intentions. That area behind the flash hider could be used for a quick attach/detach tensioning mechanism for a gas trap system. The hider could be used to align it using teeth that grab the slots from the muzzle down. The length of those teeth would tune the gas system. All the gas would go to a tube with a cup where the handguard meets the oprod. Slightly mill the hole in the handguard to get the cup to fit in, and remove the locking mechanism of the oprod (this has to be non-reciprocating). The lip made by that hole should prevent the handguard from slipping too far forward. To be more secure, mill a longitudinal slot in the sleeve (on top is best), but not reaching the extremities, mount the pump, then attach a metallic tooth to the pump, riding in the slot. The 2 pieces will now be permanently attached, so the pump/handguard can't slip too far forward or put undue pressure on the gas system setup. Now you have a piston setup with a non-reciprocating pump action. The gas trap vents to an open area and is quick detach, so fouling should be less of an issue than historical designs. Detaching it would also allow you to remove the pump/handguard.
Boris Müller He talked about the fact that some changes might have been made to prevent easy semiauto conversion. I gave an example how. You could also rigidly lock the handguard and disconnect it from the gas system now that I think about, and then just screw a bolt handle to the piston (or 2 for ambi use).
This could be irreplaceable in IPSC manual class. Definetely faster than bolt action, but faster than bolt. Actually in Russia the special version of AK was built in this manner - gas system is replaced by pumping forend. This was made for IPSC shooters purposely. KSZ-223.
I FINALLY GET TO CORRECT IAN! The pump action AK's were built on the SAR pattern standard AK receiver, not the single stack WASR. They made them in 7.62 and .223 as the PAR-1 and PAR-3 respectively.
Perfect video for the first of August. In case you’re still in Switzerland I would love to offer my SIG 550 service rifle for a review even though it’s not really in the perfect condition that most weapons are in your videos.
As an owner of an STGW90 this is both familiar and incredible strange to me. It is like the back 1/3 of the STGW90 welded onto a pump shotgun. Thanks for detailing the history and design of this strange beast.
Wow thats a really sleak and easy to do redesign for SIG. and i am not only writing that because i am swiss ;). If i still had my STGW 90 and a gunsmiths license i would probably try such a conversion just for the fun of it. since i dont i just congratulate Mr Ian McCollum on an other good Video and awsome work of beeing in the right spot at the right time. Also "Gratuliere Schweiz für äs witers Jahr"
I have always loved pump rifles. Never owned one because I never found a "deal" on a good one, but love the concept. Now that my "gun" days are gone, I guess I never shall, somehow paying the bills has trumped my desire for fine firearms in spades!
I’m so very sorry your gun days are gone Sir, sometimes life does get in the way...I should hope to never be in that situation. Best of everything to you
Wait why does it still have a mainspring? Pump shotguns work just fine without one. Sure it preserves the "lock open on empty" and slide release button, but it means you are always fighting that main spring when pumping it... additional thought: Does it lock closed when in battery? Does it have some sort of release like a shotgun to clear the camber?
Nick Chertavian I came here to ask the same question. I would think with a solid lockup while in battery the spring would be useless. Then again, i'm not any kind of firearms mechanical engineer. If SIG put it there it must serve some required functionality. Just hella curious to know what that is.
Yea. I think it's a matter of what the most simple design solution was for the engineers. The SIG PE90 is gas operated so we could assume that without the gas system the gun will not cycle due to any recoil. Maybe keeping the spring was just easier than designing a catch to hold the gun in battery. That would make clearing the chamber take one fewer step so you aren't fumbling for a little button. Also the feeding is a consideration. Pump shotguns don't lock open but the sound and feeling of a magazine tube spitting out the next shell is easy to observe. (also most shotguns aren't designed with high capacity in mind therefore it's easier to count your shots.) Maybe the main spring is helpful for stripping cartridges off a magazine? Could be you find its a greater effort to slam the bolt forward without a spring. I'd be curious if taking the spring out allows the gun to run still.
Only that this is not a normal 550-spring. The 550 has its recoil spring forward around the gas piston, both housed inside the gas tube. So I agree, this is probably to assist getting it into and keeping it in battery.
Human nature when it come to technology will never ever be suppressed. The technology of full automatic and selective fire has been out of the genie bottle for over a hundred years as far as current cartridge cased, powder cased projectiles. The next step would be in laser and blaster technology to render all powder based and powered firearms to be obsolete. Weapons control have been the object of so much concern to those who want to control and enslave people for their own needs.
it's interesting to think how many new guns that come out now will eventually be forgotten weapons. That would be a neat idea for a video, Ian. What recent guns that have come out over the past decade do you think will end up being collectible in the future?
The answer is probably none of them, to be honest. Guns today are made in pretty large quantities, so its hard imagining any of them becoming extremely desirable. What you'll probably see are certain variants become collectable, like an AR is just an AR, but a BushMaster or Colt may be collectable. The exception to that is if there was ever a large scale ban and buy back, which was latter reversed. Then you'd see the few that weren't turned in become very valuable, similar to what happened with gold coins.
Perfect timing! A Swiss rifle on the Swiss national day. I watched this with fireworks in the background. Will you ever do some kind of video on the SIG 550 itself?
I always wondered why pump action rifles were not more popular. you can work the action much faster and without losing your sight picture than a bolt, It should cycle much more reliably with a much larger variety of ammo loads. I would definitely buy something like this.
Switzerland: "Hmm, we've already got clocks with spring-loaded birds in them and triangular chocolate: what else can we invent that nobody thought they wanted before it actually existed?" SIG: "Hold my beer....."
Not only there probably wasn't a market enough, but they surely understood that because of the military looks, because it shares components with actual full auto military rifles, because of the detachable magazine, there was really room for an harsher law to make it also illegal.
For the most part, Bolt shotguns are aweful with their loooong bolt travel. Good for slugs...and for people who want a shotgun but really only like rifles.
looks like the pistol grip has a compartment built in and the stock folds to the side like some of the 550 rifles, would have liked to seen those. Remington and other sell pump actions in the USA when I was growing in the 60's and 70's shooters liked Bolt Action Rifles, now days it seems they want a AR designs with all the attachments.
.223 Rem/5,56 NATO rifles still require a licence in France, even after 2013. Calibers like 308 Winchester, 30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7,5 Swiss and 7,5 French, 303 Lee Enfield or 7,62 Mosin were "liberated" in 2013 but any rifle in .223, 7,62x39, 5,45x39 and .50 Browning still requires a licence.
While I love pump action shotguns I have never been fond of the pump action rifles. However, this one is really cool and I would buy one up if I had the chance. Probably never will though.
Despite the disdain many shooters have for these 'castrated' guns, they are interesting in their own right. It would be an off-beat collection, for sure. I would seriously consider a pump AR upper or one of the British manual actions, as well as a single-stack AK!
I would love for you to do a proper overview of the SG55x series of rifles. My US Sig 556 is my favorite gun to shoot that I own, and I've spent a lot of time and money making it as "correct" as I can afford to, but I yearn for a real deal Swiss one.
I once saw an AR-15 style pump action rifle at my local Cabela's. It was very odd, and I think it had a collapsing stock, which is odd for New York but I suppose if it's pump action different rules apply.
Why would you need a recoil spring in a pump action rifle? The pump pushes the action back and pulls the action forward. Unless, it is use to assist feeding round from the magazine.
I don't know how rare pump action rifles are but I'd really like to see a comparison between Pumps and Levers as a part of you and Karls lever series on Inrange.
Why would there need to be a recoil spring in a pump action? I mean the bolt carrier group is entirely manually operated, so what is the function of a recoil spring?
I'm confused on the purpose of the recoil spring. The action isn't going to be cycling under recoil so the only purpose it would seem to have is to make it more difficult to manually cycle the gun.
Pragmatic solution to firearm classification nonsense. Would saddle well into my collection. I already have a Troy PAR in 223 and another in 338 Federal. I love the concepts of a "piston driven" pump setups as a "workaround". The PAR being AR parts bin based, certainly has some advantages : buy any compatible AR caliber barrel, put a slim gas block in reverse, bingo.
Very interesting, I believe someone had this in an AR configuration at one point. Was to be marketed to LEO in lieu of a semi... Curious, what is the function of the recoil spring on a pump gun? Pump assist...I’m not sure I ever saw that before. Would like to see something about Swiss citizen rifle training, laws, etc.. I heard at one point it was mandatory for every citizen to be trained and to maintain a weapon (PE-57?) in ones home..Great video content as usual Ian.
I have what may be a silly question but it seems that a pump action is a nice option to a simiauto. On a few hunting trips I would of loved that option over a bolt action. I know the tolerances are much better on a bolt action but is that the only reason the pump action was regulated to the shotgun family of weapons?
Why is there a recoil spring on a pump action rifle? You didn't go into that detail. I suppose an assisted bolt closure would be an interesting thought but fighting the spring would hinder your ability to remain on target while cycling the action.
It is interesting why there's a recoil spring, just pump to eject and let the spring do the rest. I thought Ian said it was for the french civilian market. Anyway I like it just on a subjective level.
What was the expected price point on the gun as originally designed? Obviously a lot more expensive now since it’s a rarity. Might be just too expensive to compete with comparable bolt action rifles, especially with a smaller cartridge (hunting with .233... eh, you can do it, but...).
"Why pump-action rifles never caught on" would be an interesting video topic in its own right. They do exist, as this video can attest, but they never found the appeal that bolt-action or even lever-action rifles garnered. This doesn't even get into the utter ubiquity of the pump-action shotgun. I would be very interested in hearing you expound on this quirk of firearms design history.
Hey Ian, thx for the great videos! I was asking myself, if you are able to get your hands on some AS VAL/ VSS VINTOREZ guns chambered in 9 x 39 mm? I have a fascination for these guns and haven't found zero to none videos in english about it yet. I know it is exotic, but therefore it would be nice to learn something more about this weapons and its origin IMO! Thx again for the great content and cheers from germany!
Well if it did not cost a ton...being Sig I am sure it would have, but I would had bought one. I do not live in a restricted area or anything like that. I just think this looks like a rather good varmint rifle. Shame I will never get the chance. There is always the Troy AR style pump action rifle. I think this one looks better though.
It seems odd that it would have been designed for France. With the old law a pump action rifled gun, even in a "hunting" caliber, wiuld have an ammo limit that could be easily bypassed by the Sig550 mags, so it would jump into 4th category. Which means without much hassle you could just get a 1st category permit and buy a semi-auto version with 20 round mags.
Gets me thinking, since in theory a bolt action is inherently more accurate then a simi auto. The pump conversion gun should be more accurate then a simi, so what is more accurate the pump conversion or a bolt gun?
Lold @1:51 "This would not be a terrible rifle" -speaking about sig. Please give me an example of a bad rifle (or firearm generally for that matter) that sig manufactured?
@@ForgottenWeapons would you kindly do a video on said weapon? That would be very appreciated; you have piqued my interest. I hold this manufacturer in high regard for good reason; my favorite modern pistol, as well as one of my favorite rifles of all time are both manufactured by sig.
Will you ever make a video on the standard 550 tho? Or is that not forgotten enough? I'm Swiss and own one of course, but there are barely any american videos on it, since it isnt available there. And i'd really wonder what you think of it.
Have you considered doing a vid on the real-deal 550 family too? It's obviously far from forgotten, but seeing as you've covered the FAMAS and SA-80 family, I don't see why not.
RasdenFasden plus they’re arguably some of the highest-quality standard-issue army rifles.
I too would be interested to see this.
Yes please.
Considering he was in Switzerland and has already posted several videos from Neuhausen (where they were/are? made), and he showed a PE90 in this video - I would not be surprised if it’s already in the queue ;-)
Do the whole family! Especially the 552, my dream gun
I have never been more disappointed to hear low production numbers in your videos before! That thing is so cool, I would love to own one!
The South African Vektor H5 pump action .223 rifle is a similar concept and was commercially available in SA.
Iwano van Rooyen Yeah but the H5 is kind of kak. That forend they picked for it really bad in the hand.
There is the Troy PAR also
Because I am french and I don' t have the choice...
Verbose Mode This would be so great for California.
Very cool. The 5.6mm Gw Pat 90 used in the Sig 550 by the Swiss is an interesting cartridge, it's the same as a 5.56 bullet they have just changed the materials in order to prevent lead damaging the environment. It's also a very accurate round used in sports shooting. Makes sense really you don't really want lead on the ground getting into water supplies and into food.
If this was on a full auto lower, would you be able to slam fire it with the fire selector on auto?
I would imagine so, since there wouldn't be a disconnector, much like a Winchester 97 shotgun
Glad I'm not the only weirdo who immediately thought this. Love my Ithaca DSPS.
This would have been an interesting alternative to the bolt-action rifle, I guess.
true, but tbh i still prefer bolt action for a rifle than pump action.
but for shotgun or grenade launcher (china lake grenade launcher) pump action is all the way.
especially for lefties
Nathan Stautzenberger Did you mean to say handicapped people?
(im joking 😜)
It wasn't supposed to be an alternative or equivalent to a bolt action. It was meant to be an option for people that want an AR-15 type rifle, but live in a place where they're banned.
or straight pull
Such rifles are very popular here in Austria. We have some AR and even AK Variants with Slide-Action. That's because you can get manual operated rifles at the age of 18 without any license and most Semi-Auto rifles are prohibited in Austria. And for the few semi-autos you can get, 5 or 6 AR's, the Steyr AUG, a special SIG 550 Austria variant and some Semi-Auto Hunting rifles, you need to be at lest 21 and also a firearms owners card, in German "Waffenbesitzkarte" or short "WBK". So many people buy those Slide Action Variants.
Could you export your gun laws to your german neighbors, please? It would be really apprechiated. ;-)
Ja ich denke das würd euch gefallen :-) Jedoch habt ihr den Vorteil wenn ihr mal eine WBK habt dann könnt ihr viel mehr Halbautomaten kaufen als wir.
Najaaa, ich denke mal wir könnten da nen guten Kompromiss finden - oder anders ausgedrückt: das Beste aus beiden Welten. :D
Eventuell könnten die Tschechen auch noch ihren Senf dazu geben und wir kriegen die Regeln dann irgendwie EU-weit durchgedrückt. Denn den ganzen Laberköppen zum Trotz: Österreich, Tschechien und Co sind das Paradebeispiel dafür, dass relativ liberale und vernünftige Waffengesetze nicht dazu führen, dass sich jeder Grenzdebile ne Knarre holt und alles und jeden mit der groben Kelle über die Wupper schickt. Dazu brauchste schon ne Bevölkerung, von der ca. 2 % Opioidabhängig ist, n Großteil dank Bildung und Krankenhausrechnung mit mehreren 100k in der Kreide steht und es keinerlei Aussicht auf Verbesserung gibt.
Dja ich würde mir da gern noch ein Scheibchen von der Schweiz abschneiden, weil die sind ja die einzigen außer den US-Amerikanern die auch Vollautomaten bekommen können und das wäre für mich als WK 1 Sammler halt schon interessant hätte schon gern ein MG07/12 oder 08/15. Nebenbei sind ja bei uns Vorderschaftrepetierflinten (aber Halbautomaten sind erlaubt) verboten, dass sind ja auch so Sachen die bei uns ausgemistet gehören. Also alles in allem könnte man schon ein gutes Waffenrecht zusammenbasteln.
So leid es mir auch tut, aber macht euch keine Hoffnung, bevor in unseren verkorxten Hemisphären mal Waffengesetze gelockert werden muss schon die gesammte Regierung ausgetauscht und zwei Dritteln der Bevölkerung mal die Waffen-scheuen Ohren gewaschen werden...
Excellent video for the Swiss National Day, thank you Ian.
Neptune Bluez 🇨🇭We love Ian! 🇨🇭
Yesterday I was looking for pump action rifle videos on your channel and today you bless us with this. Thank you.
Perfect rifle for here in the UK where the only semi auto rifles we're allowed are .22lr, everything else has to be converted to something like this or straight pull.
A video on the history of the 552 and 553 adoption a.s.o. would be very awesome. Thanks for the video aswell!
Though the Colt SP1 is my personal favorite rifle, I also own a SIG 551A1 and happen to think that the Swiss versions of this rifle, especially the 90's versions, are the finest semi auto rifles ever made. I would LOVE the pump! What a great collectable!
6:00 and on - I think I see a way to convert it to semi-auto for cheap, despite intentions. That area behind the flash hider could be used for a quick attach/detach tensioning mechanism for a gas trap system. The hider could be used to align it using teeth that grab the slots from the muzzle down. The length of those teeth would tune the gas system. All the gas would go to a tube with a cup where the handguard meets the oprod. Slightly mill the hole in the handguard to get the cup to fit in, and remove the locking mechanism of the oprod (this has to be non-reciprocating). The lip made by that hole should prevent the handguard from slipping too far forward. To be more secure, mill a longitudinal slot in the sleeve (on top is best), but not reaching the extremities, mount the pump, then attach a metallic tooth to the pump, riding in the slot. The 2 pieces will now be permanently attached, so the pump/handguard can't slip too far forward or put undue pressure on the gas system setup. Now you have a piston setup with a non-reciprocating pump action. The gas trap vents to an open area and is quick detach, so fouling should be less of an issue than historical designs. Detaching it would also allow you to remove the pump/handguard.
Yes but what’s the point? Surely that would remove the most unique feature of this gun.
Boris Müller He talked about the fact that some changes might have been made to prevent easy semiauto conversion. I gave an example how. You could also rigidly lock the handguard and disconnect it from the gas system now that I think about, and then just screw a bolt handle to the piston (or 2 for ambi use).
@ian, 0:33 thank you so much.
nice touch uploading this on the swiss national day. love your videos.
Greetings from Zurich.
This could be irreplaceable in IPSC manual class. Definetely faster than bolt action, but faster than bolt. Actually in Russia the special version of AK was built in this manner - gas system is replaced by pumping forend. This was made for IPSC shooters purposely. KSZ-223.
I FINALLY GET TO CORRECT IAN! The pump action AK's were built on the SAR pattern standard AK receiver, not the single stack WASR. They made them in 7.62 and .223 as the PAR-1 and PAR-3 respectively.
Perfect video for the first of August. In case you’re still in Switzerland I would love to offer my SIG 550 service rifle for a review even though it’s not really in the perfect condition that most weapons are in your videos.
As an owner of an STGW90 this is both familiar and incredible strange to me. It is like the back 1/3 of the STGW90 welded onto a pump shotgun. Thanks for detailing the history and design of this strange beast.
It’s always a good morning when forgotten weapons uploads, this video goes amazing with breakfast!
Wow thats a really sleak and easy to do redesign for SIG. and i am not only writing that because i am swiss ;). If i still had my STGW 90 and a gunsmiths license i would probably try such a conversion just for the fun of it. since i dont i just congratulate Mr Ian McCollum on an other good Video and awsome work of beeing in the right spot at the right time. Also "Gratuliere Schweiz für äs witers Jahr"
I have always loved pump rifles. Never owned one because I never found a "deal" on a good one, but love the concept. Now that my "gun" days are gone, I guess I never shall, somehow paying the bills has trumped my desire for fine firearms in spades!
I’m so very sorry your gun days are gone Sir, sometimes life does get in the way...I should hope to never be in that situation.
Best of everything to you
“I came here to kick ass and eat chocolate, and I’m all out of chocolate.”
Wait why does it still have a mainspring? Pump shotguns work just fine without one. Sure it preserves the "lock open on empty" and slide release button, but it means you are always fighting that main spring when pumping it...
additional thought: Does it lock closed when in battery? Does it have some sort of release like a shotgun to clear the camber?
Nick Chertavian
I came here to ask the same question. I would think with a solid lockup while in battery the spring would be useless.
Then again, i'm not any kind of firearms mechanical engineer. If SIG put it there it must serve some required functionality.
Just hella curious to know what that is.
Yea. I think it's a matter of what the most simple design solution was for the engineers. The SIG PE90 is gas operated so we could assume that without the gas system the gun will not cycle due to any recoil. Maybe keeping the spring was just easier than designing a catch to hold the gun in battery. That would make clearing the chamber take one fewer step so you aren't fumbling for a little button. Also the feeding is a consideration. Pump shotguns don't lock open but the sound and feeling of a magazine tube spitting out the next shell is easy to observe. (also most shotguns aren't designed with high capacity in mind therefore it's easier to count your shots.) Maybe the main spring is helpful for stripping cartridges off a magazine? Could be you find its a greater effort to slam the bolt forward without a spring.
I'd be curious if taking the spring out allows the gun to run still.
I bet you can release the pump grip and it will chamber a round.
Theoretical speed advantage. Tug back, and let it snap forward. There are spring assist pump 12 gauges out there for this reason.
Only that this is not a normal 550-spring. The 550 has its recoil spring forward around the gas piston, both housed inside the gas tube. So I agree, this is probably to assist getting it into and keeping it in battery.
This Gun’s Definitely giving me some ideas for a design👍👌
That bolt catch setup is super cool
How you say California compliant in Swiss
In which of the 4 Swiss languages are you asking about?
betaich Flemish...
betaich Which ever one is the most obscure, in the Forgotten Weapons theme.
So probably Romansh.
Hunter Smith I actually spoke to a guy in Zurich in Spanish...
Since the registered part is the lower receiver I'm thinking it would be a coin toss if the CA/DOJ would consider this variant of the 550 an AW...
Human nature when it come to technology will never ever be suppressed. The technology of full automatic and selective fire has been out of the genie bottle for over a hundred years as far as current cartridge cased, powder cased projectiles. The next step would be in laser and blaster technology to render all powder based and powered firearms to be obsolete. Weapons control have been the object of so much concern to those who want to control and enslave people for their own needs.
it's interesting to think how many new guns that come out now will eventually be forgotten weapons. That would be a neat idea for a video, Ian. What recent guns that have come out over the past decade do you think will end up being collectible in the future?
The answer is probably none of them, to be honest. Guns today are made in pretty large quantities, so its hard imagining any of them becoming extremely desirable. What you'll probably see are certain variants become collectable, like an AR is just an AR, but a BushMaster or Colt may be collectable.
The exception to that is if there was ever a large scale ban and buy back, which was latter reversed. Then you'd see the few that weren't turned in become very valuable, similar to what happened with gold coins.
Your "Vorderschaftrepetierbüchse" was quite excellent :D
High praise from the anointed son of a gun.
Perfect timing! A Swiss rifle on the Swiss national day. I watched this with fireworks in the background.
Will you ever do some kind of video on the SIG 550 itself?
As a Swiss I'm quite surprised by this kind of "FASS90" converted into a pump action rifle, looks quite neat to shoot !
This would be an awesome adition to my small sig sauer collection
I always wondered why pump action rifles were not more popular. you can work the action much faster and without losing your sight picture than a bolt, It should cycle much more reliably with a much larger variety of ammo loads. I would definitely buy something like this.
Switzerland: "Hmm, we've already got clocks with spring-loaded birds in them and triangular chocolate: what else can we invent that nobody thought they wanted before it actually existed?"
SIG: "Hold my beer....."
That thing is sweet. Would like to see more of them. Someone should make a pump conversion kit for ARs.
strengthening of prohibitions and restrictions, muzzle loading SIG 550 will soon appear
Another pump action rifle would be the Troy Industries PAR. Y'all should do a competition with one!
Not only there probably wasn't a market enough, but they surely understood that because of the military looks, because it shares components with actual full auto military rifles, because of the detachable magazine, there was really room for an harsher law to make it also illegal.
Interesting. Looks like the conversion essentially just leaves a bunch of manufacturing steps out.
It’s less complicated, so yeah.
Why did pump action rifles never catch on? Or alternatively, why are there so few bolt action stotguns?
For the most part, Bolt shotguns are aweful with their loooong bolt travel. Good for slugs...and for people who want a shotgun but really only like rifles.
looks like the pistol grip has a compartment built in and the stock folds to the side like some of the 550 rifles, would have liked to seen those.
Remington and other sell pump actions in the USA when I was growing in the 60's and 70's shooters liked Bolt Action Rifles, now days it seems they want a AR designs with all the attachments.
Barrel shroud? The shoulder thing that goes up?
“Much less restricted in other countries” and in New York 🤦♂️
.223 Rem/5,56 NATO rifles still require a licence in France, even after 2013. Calibers like 308 Winchester, 30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7,5 Swiss and 7,5 French, 303 Lee Enfield or 7,62 Mosin were "liberated" in 2013 but any rifle in .223, 7,62x39, 5,45x39 and .50 Browning still requires a licence.
While I love pump action shotguns I have never been fond of the pump action rifles. However, this one is really cool and I would buy one up if I had the chance. Probably never will though.
Despite the disdain many shooters have for these 'castrated' guns, they are interesting in their own right. It would be an off-beat collection, for sure.
I would seriously consider a pump AR upper or one of the British manual actions, as well as a single-stack AK!
Agreed, this sort of gun makes for a cool collectible.
Ian IDK of that weld on the carrier needs to have covered a pin. It was probably just a spot weld over a hole.
Don't ask me to put money on it though.
I would love for you to do a proper overview of the SG55x series of rifles. My US Sig 556 is my favorite gun to shoot that I own, and I've spent a lot of time and money making it as "correct" as I can afford to, but I yearn for a real deal Swiss one.
Why is there a main/recoil spring in a pump action rifle?
Because they're Swiss...they pride themselves on mechanical gears and springs.
Makes the cuckoo pop out when the mag is empty.
If Sig made one in 300 blackout I'd buy one in a heartbeat
I once saw an AR-15 style pump action rifle at my local Cabela's. It was very odd, and I think it had a collapsing stock, which is odd for New York but I suppose if it's pump action different rules apply.
For those who wonder how the long form of VRB is written in German: Vorderschaftrepetierbüchse
Can you just leave recoil spring out? Seems like it just adds complexity.
Hey, do you think you could cover the pump-action MP5? I've never seen it covered in depth before.
Why would you need a recoil spring in a pump action rifle? The pump pushes the action back and pulls the action forward. Unless, it is use to assist feeding round from the magazine.
well something has to assist the feed of the round.
I don't know how rare pump action rifles are but I'd really like to see a comparison between Pumps and Levers as a part of you and Karls lever series on Inrange.
Lol, who did the subtitles?
0:30
This could be a good alternative idea to try and make a CA. compliant black rifle.
Why would there need to be a recoil spring in a pump action? I mean the bolt carrier group is entirely manually operated, so what is the function of a recoil spring?
I'm confused on the purpose of the recoil spring. The action isn't going to be cycling under recoil so the only purpose it would seem to have is to make it more difficult to manually cycle the gun.
Ingenious minimalist conversion for legal reasons...
Do you think you could drill a gas port and put a gas tapit system like the m1 has if I'm not mistaken
Pragmatic solution to firearm classification nonsense.
Would saddle well into my collection. I already have a Troy PAR in 223 and another in 338 Federal. I love the concepts of a "piston driven" pump setups as a "workaround". The PAR being AR parts bin based, certainly has some advantages : buy any compatible AR caliber barrel, put a slim gas block in reverse, bingo.
Is it a slam fire system? Or do you have to pull the trigger for every shot?
Zea Moore it's a shotgun. Pump action. The trigger seems to be a normal stgw 90 trigger
can you do a video on the PARs I just picked up a PAR-4 but can't find much information in it
Very interesting, I believe someone had this in an AR configuration at one point. Was to be marketed to LEO in lieu of a semi... Curious, what is the function of the recoil spring on a pump gun? Pump assist...I’m not sure I ever saw that before. Would like to see something about Swiss citizen rifle training, laws, etc.. I heard at one point it was mandatory for every citizen to be trained and to maintain a weapon (PE-57?) in ones home..Great video content as usual Ian.
I have what may be a silly question but it seems that a pump action is a nice option to a simiauto. On a few hunting trips I would of loved that option over a bolt action. I know the tolerances are much better on a bolt action but is that the only reason the pump action was regulated to the shotgun family of weapons?
is it good for ipsc manual action rifle? seems it is made for it. just like Saiga KSZ-223
Why does it have a recoil spring? it's manually operated.
Or do you pump back and the spring pushes the action closed?
Amazing gun...
Why do you need a recoil spring for the pump action?
Probably just there to assist you chambering a round, not really needed but nice to have I guess.
In Switzerland, didn't visit Bloke and Chap on the range?
Any good reason this pump-action firearm would still need a recoil spring? It seems kind of odd.
I’d like to see how they did this kind of thing on the Vektor H5. It’s basically a pump action Galil.
That video is coming later...
Why is there a recoil spring on a pump action rifle? You didn't go into that detail. I suppose an assisted bolt closure would be an interesting thought but fighting the spring would hinder your ability to remain on target while cycling the action.
It is interesting why there's a recoil spring, just pump to eject and let the spring do the rest. I thought Ian said it was for the french civilian market. Anyway I like it just on a subjective level.
What was the expected price point on the gun as originally designed? Obviously a lot more expensive now since it’s a rarity.
Might be just too expensive to compete with comparable bolt action rifles, especially with a smaller cartridge (hunting with .233... eh, you can do it, but...).
Now this is why i love your channel! Still waiting for the Ak-5 ;) Going to pull some "favors" to invite you!
"Why pump-action rifles never caught on" would be an interesting video topic in its own right. They do exist, as this video can attest, but they never found the appeal that bolt-action or even lever-action rifles garnered. This doesn't even get into the utter ubiquity of the pump-action shotgun. I would be very interested in hearing you expound on this quirk of firearms design history.
Hey Ian,
thx for the great videos! I was asking myself, if you are able to get your hands on some AS VAL/ VSS VINTOREZ guns chambered in 9 x 39 mm? I have a fascination for these guns and haven't found zero to none videos in english about it yet. I know it is exotic, but therefore it would be nice to learn something more about this weapons and its origin IMO!
Thx again for the great content and cheers from germany!
wonder why stuff like this never became more popular in canada
At this point you should just name this channel Interesting Weapons
Weird how in the UK pump action rifles are especially restricted. This is literally the first pump action rifle I've ever heard of.
Two things:
Why is there a recoil spring if the rifle is pump action?
Incorrect, a barrel shroud is the shoulder thing that goes up ;D
Derek Dziobek Probably the same reason it still has a fire select.
Well if it did not cost a ton...being Sig I am sure it would have, but I would had bought one. I do not live in a restricted area or anything like that. I just think this looks like a rather good varmint rifle. Shame I will never get the chance. There is always the Troy AR style pump action rifle. I think this one looks better though.
How about IWI timberwolf pump rifle in 357 mag that would be a nice review
That is pretty neat
Ian, could I ask if you are going to do anymore auction house videos?
Yes, the next auction series starts in about 2 weeks.
Thank you
the closed captions @0:34 lol
It seems odd that it would have been designed for France. With the old law a pump action rifled gun, even in a "hunting" caliber, wiuld have an ammo limit that could be easily bypassed by the Sig550 mags, so it would jump into 4th category. Which means without much hassle you could just get a 1st category permit and buy a semi-auto version with 20 round mags.
What year was this in development?
Gets me thinking, since in theory a bolt action is inherently more accurate then a simi auto. The pump conversion gun should be more accurate then a simi, so what is more accurate the pump conversion or a bolt gun?
Oh thank God, I thought I had a stroke when I read pump action sig550...
Lold @1:51
"This would not be a terrible rifle"
-speaking about sig.
Please give me an example of a bad rifle (or firearm generally for that matter) that sig manufactured?
AK53.
@@ForgottenWeapons would you kindly do a video on said weapon? That would be very appreciated; you have piqued my interest.
I hold this manufacturer in high regard for good reason; my favorite modern pistol, as well as one of my favorite rifles of all time are both manufactured by sig.
Do you think a gun like this is the best manual practical rifle possible? I feel like this would be superior to any lever or bolt action design.
When you add the 20rnd mag it becomes an assault pump-action rifle lvl2
wow , that MG34 in background gave me a semi straight away
Will you ever make a video on the standard 550 tho? Or is that not forgotten enough? I'm Swiss and own one of course, but there are barely any american videos on it, since it isnt available there. And i'd really wonder what you think of it.
Have you always uploaded at 7:50?
recoil spring in a pump action rifle?