I used to pilot the 787-8 for Qatar until recently on the right seat. Sadly, theyve laid me off and a couple other people because we were the least senior on the fleet. I believe it must be around at least 30-50 FOs and Captains for the fleet that they got rid off. Its absolutely saddening. I loved the plane. I hope they call me back in one day to fly it again. I doubt there will be a chance to fly it on a european contract. Tough times for us pilots and aspiring ones! I recommend to stay put and get a grip in another profession first. You can still become a pilot in later years!
@@Sterlingjob Honestly, I didnt mind working there. I of course didnt like living in Doha but I didnt spend much time there. The money and the benefits you receive are just absolutely great and I really enjoyed travelling the world. Yes, the crew environment is not the best but I get along alone very well. :)
tcb blaxe lucky you. The dealings I had with them amounted to either friendly or unfriendly flightdeck, cabin crew mostly stuck up their own arses. No one could make a decision. And sweating captains when things go wrong. One captain was sent back to Doha as his FO put the park brake on during pushback. It’s not the place where the correct attitude to safety is taken.
Here in Pakistan, Qatar used to send the 777-300ER, which is now replaced by the 787 and A350k Miss the 777 but also love to see the most stylish planes here in the Pakistani skies
@@cnordegren It's understandable. Fleet diversity is expensive from a maintenance and pilot management perspective, you need to spend a lot of money type rating your pilots and mechanics and keeping more equipment and spares in your hangars. When times are good and business is booming, consolidation is a good way to shrink costs.
@@khalidatia6478 I think once things have recovered it will be a burden instead of an asset, though as a flag carrier it might not matter so much. I know budget airlines are usually very keen having only one or two types of aircraft in their fleet.
The airline is privileged to have its CEO working for them. The blockade did not deter operations. He is a guy that works like a machine and will absolutely get his hands and dirty to make them a success. All the power to him!
Well yes but...emirates relied on filling their aircraft which they did. It’s not about being a show off. It’s just a different business strategy that is flawed when there is a major airline disaster. Having fleet diversity has it’s advantages and disadvantages and in this case it is more advantageous. The real show off airline in my opinion is etihad. Just like air france, they ordered the a380 and had no idea how to use it.
@@hodb3906 u are wrong, emirates wants to show off by their 200/100 something of their a380s in the hub, because they are the second richest country in the world after Qatar ,they show off, Qatar didn't do what they did, Qatar is the richest counrty in the would and it has only 10 of their a380 in the fleet, do u get what I'm mean, that is so disappointing, Qatar has a lot of different types of aircraft in their fleet but emirates has haif of the fleet 77 and the other haif filled it with their stupid a380,how come they took the a delivery of the last a380 delivery in the world and they retire their first a380 delivery in the wolrd,emirates doesn't know to make proper plans
@@kaxrimm - The B777-9 is still untried aircraft as it is still in flight testing. The B787 and A350 are both versatile aircraft and are cheaper than the rehash airframe design of the B777-9.
@@chrismckellar9350 yes u have a point in that, but it the 777-9 will when they Boeing delivers it to the airlines that they ordered the 777-9,it will play a really big role in the airlines and somehow the airlines maybe retire their 787 Dreamliner and maybe their a350 and all the 777 variants below 777-9 in 2022,because the both planes 2022 will be like 10-20 years old, Qatar airways retired their 10 a380 when covid-19 came to this bloody word .do u get what i mean, to be honest i think 777-9 will not be a good aircraft because of machinal fail and it failed 2-6 of its tests one of the tests are the pressure test and the pressure test its the most important part in the plane, the a380 and the 747 had played a big role in certain airlines and those plane nick named 747=queen of the sky and a380=super jumbo ,those planes are legendries and they got retired because of covid-19 and there really big size, what i mean to say is aviation in the future will not exist too much as it now
@@kaxrimm - I don't think the B777-9 will be a big seller, as the B787 and A350 are going to be the main stay of' nonstop 'point to point' and/or 'spoke n hub' long haul operations, as these aircraft are new airframe designs, are cheaper to buy and have operational histories. Despite a range of SARS-cov-2 vaccines could be available from 2021 onwards, countries will probably demand that anybody entering a country will need to have a SARS-cov-2 vaccination prior to entering. IATA is already drawing plans for an app based 'Travel Pass' that can be used by airlines and boarder control that is linked with the traveler's passport.
Qatar Airways has the perfect strategy with a clever CEO and despite being very vocal he knows his business. Unlike Emirates who wanted to go big with its PR but from past experiences airlines should always need to also look at tough times from even past experiences like the 2008/09 financial crisis and the SARS epidemic.
qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up plan, Emirates just wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
It doesn’t matter because you need to maintain the planes that don’t fill that easy. Plus airlines lease airplanes. Fleet diversity is more expensive to maintain and that neutralises the profit from planes that are easily filled , in this case the profit made from the 787-8.
Same,qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up planjust wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
Fleet diversity will definitely be a factor in airline recovery and which carrier make a success and a hash of it, the A380 was to late to the game and to thirsty for the market, the A350, 787, and 777 series planes are paving the way to a greener more sustainable aviation future when the industry truly recovers
If you want to fill planes quick for long haul. 787 is suited for that.. Airlines know the most efficient and profitable jet to operate..These days if you want comfort you pay higher dollars for special seats
qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up plan, Emirates just wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
@@77l96 yeah,your right in this point, but qatarairways also have 777 and types from the Boeing family, Qatar airways are smarter than Emirates but Emirates is not better than Qatar airways
The 787 is undoubtedly they key plane not just to lower the severity of low travel demand, but to also help the airline maintain a strong presence in the industry. As of now what is also helping Qatar is it’s strong fleet of around 30 777-F’s. My dad is on the 777 fleet and says they’re logging around 100 hours a month. One of the few fleets in the airline that have not felt much of an impact from COVID.
People here think that Emirates is a show off and don’t know how to do business. I think people forget one important thing about fleet diversity being that it is more expensive. It’s all good and well to have an 1 or 2 outstanding aircraft pumping profit but don’t forget that it needs to cover the maintenance costs and leasings of aircraft that aren’t filling up as successfully as the 787-8. The expenses made from qatar’s divers fleet somewhat neutralises the profit from the 787-8 or a350-900. Edit: But it still has that edge over emirates. That is undeniable though. I just think is not that big as people expected.
I tend to agree with your opinion. We used to fly Emirates and Qatar between Australia and Europe in business class. We considered the facilities and the service of each airline fairly similar. This changed a few years ago when Emirates introduced their 777 business class with a 2-3-2 configuration. We have since avoided Emirates and opted for Qatar and Singapore Airlines.
Well, the 787-8s are 'tiny' by long-haul airliner size standards - exactly what is needed in times of low passenger numbers like the COVID-19 pandemic days
Does anyone knows if Qatar Airways has any plans of installing Qsuites/new economy in their 787-8 fleet ?? That would be a game changer aircraft post covid ....
Qatar's 787-8s are early builds and not equipped with the overhead crew quarters for long range work. 787s are short on space and there are floor mounted IFE boxes to squish your feet on Qatar's. Most Qatar flights into Heathrow are using the 777-300 and A350-900 which i suspect also bring useful cargo such as PPE.
I've flown Qatar Dreamliner, A350, A380 and 777 a number of times from the UK to Australia. Also flown Emirates, Etihad, Singapore and Qantas. My preference is Qatar however Emirates seats are best for comfort. Qatar's economy are hard, narrow and uncomfortable on the Dreamliner. In flight entertainment is superior on Emirates.
I just counted 29 A350’s (mix of 900 and 1000), 21 B77W’s (not cargo), all in the air, but juts 3 787-8’s in flight on Flightradar24. It’s currently 8AM in Doha. Are the 787’s used later on during the day?
The other idea that I think might grow legs, is that in stead of airlines using their own fleets, at the start of the recovery, it might be better to do a codeshare with someone such as Netjets, and use a Gulfstreem g650. This would provide a small capacity and would allow testing of demand.
As much as people like to fight on here about Airbus versus Boeing, a diversified fleet of several types of different sizes actually is the healthiest strategy. A homogeneous fleet like what Southwest has with the 737 or Airbus with the A380 can work in the good times, but can screw you when something goes wrong. The irony is that, I remember being in this argument about the stability of the industry while in training a few years back. I was working on a back up degree just in case and everyone was sure that the fat was now cut and nothing could kill the airlines like 9/11 did. And just like Emirates, they bet wrong.
It was always clear that once airlines had to shut down the recovery would start with smaller aircraft. Many can get by with even smaller aircraft on domestic routes.
Please feature the current status of the Philippine Airlines wherein there such been a news that they are downsizing their fleet... Retiring some B777's (except the 2 set to retire) & some of a350's (thinking not a strategic step).
It's a shame - not sure if it was just me - but the seating in economy on these 787-8's was pretty uncomfortable after a few hours. Felt like there was barely any padding which on a 7 hour flight isn't very pleasant. Other than that they're great.
Boeing should phase out the 787-8 and replace it with a 787-8LR. The new aircraft will be exactly the same as the 787-9 except for a shorter fuselage. It will have the same active boundary control tail and the same MTOW as the larger 787-9. This will ease production logistics and position the 787-8 as a 220 seat 8,800 nm alternative to the -9 or -10 giving operators a reason (apart from list price) to opt for the smallest variant.
@@77l96 No need for a re-engine. The 787-8 has essentially the same "theoretical" fuel capacity as the 787-9. It is lighter and yet has a short range. Why? The active boundary control system in the 787-9 tail merely improves fuel economy on the order of 1%, so that's not it. Mostly because it is limited by a lower MTOW -- 26 tons lower to be exact. In practice it flies with her tanks about 80-85% full when typically loaded with passengers, luggage and cargo because it reaches its max takeoff weight. When used as an executive jet and carrying maximum fuel 787-8 flies further than the 787-9. 787-8 BBJ goes about 10,000 nm vs 9,500 nm for the 787-9. With the same exact engines, tail and MTOW as the 787-9, the 787-8 will fly about 8,800 nm in commercial service. All the components are already there -- it is a matter of re-rating the 787-8 to the same 254 ton MTOW as the 787-9, plugging in various -9 tail and structural improvements. Voila! You have a 8,800 nm 220 passenger jet perfect for long and thin routes.
They could lease A321 XLR for services between DOH and European cities, Middle East, India, and BKK. Only Oceania, USA and maybe Far East need to be covered by longer range aircrafts. Cargo capacity is also something to consider for airlines.
The dreamliner economy seats are just too narrow, no thanks ill stick with the A350 because at least the seats are just that little bit more comfortable.
Fly Dubai (which is owned by the Government of Dubai, the same owner of Emirates) does the critical job of hooking regional destinations to Dubai to Dubai.
Who remamber that this 30 787-8 were planned to be leased all to air italy but whit boeing guess what delaying the deliveries of -9 to qatar this 787 remained in the qatar fleet
The 787 has been repeatedly a "sweet spot" for airlines. The build was more straightforward making maintenance a substantially frugal option. I have heard from FA's that the Airbus planes seem to quickly lose the "new plane" feel and quickly show the appearance of decades of wear rather than years of wear. The A380 for being a bus in the sky was found to require more unanticipated maintenance costs. As a result if the planes are not full the operation is a money pit operation.
Hope this pandemic situation recover soon but anyways travel won't be that easy. IT companies work from home policy will completely change travel requirements. Hope for the best. Good Wishes from my side. To all.
I’m a huge fan of Qatar Airways but not of the 787 after a bad experience flying it with Qatar Airways ironically. I found economy class to be cramped compared to their other aircraft types, dislike the window dimming and found the beds in their business class setup to be uncomfortable. However this aircraft can really help Qatar Airways take the lead over Emirates given how they’ve carried on flying rather extensively during the pandemic while other airlines really slowed down significantly.
Ethan's Aviation Qatar Airways don’t have First Class on their 787s. They only offer it on their A380s which they only have a few of and that were flying on selected routes but aren’t even flying anymore due to Covid. Business Class on their 777s and A350s is good though. 👌🏼
Qatar and Emirates fly international without domestic routes, thus the widebody comparison. I believe most airlines are surviving with their narrow bodies such as A320s, B737s, EJets and ATRs flying domestic routes during these trying times.
All Airlines companies should have a dynamic plan for such circumstances, its time for narrow body Aircrafts.. Emarites will suffer a lot more than the other Airlines
"The A330-200 was never a popular plane". Really? It sold 660 units. The 787-8 has only sold 422 units. It's just an odd statement to make, partly because the claim "popular plane" is very subjective.
To be honest, I think the only Boeing that would be needed is the 787-9 but Airbus would do good because these planes also make sense, the: a350, a330 and a320
Tell us more about "Qatar Airways Won’t Take Its Order For 30 Boeing 737 MAXs" then. Has anyone won anything from the order cancellation of 737 Max? Just curious.
Simple flying this just in Virgin Atlantic recently filed for bankruptcy and is expected to run out of money in september. It is now part of virgin Austrailia's bankruptcy too. Put this in your next video if you can
No Virgin Australia is not part or have anything to do with the bankruptcy. Completely separate company. VA is owned by Bain Capital and leases the Virgin brand
@@77l96 it’s just my opinion But I think VA would’ve been much better off with one fleet model like southwest or Ryan air. There is not that much of a difference between a 787 And a A350-1000. I heard they were gonna lose their deposit for the A380 order. The airlines with single fleet model seem to do much better than the airlines with Many different fleet models. Easyjet Indigo Southwest Ryan
@@77l96 they do the same routes basically. It’s a small difference compared to a A380 vs A320. Yes they are different Yes the A350-1 is bigger. But it doesn’t mean a small airline like VA needs them. I’m a huge 777 fan. I think the 777X is a complete waste. Too big. I just think airlines are forever buying every new thing that comes along, is a bad way of running an airline.
@@77l96 I love the 777. I hope the 777x sells 2000. I’m just saying my opinion. I think VA is a small airline that wants to act big. I just think fleet commonality is overlooked a lot. JFK is one airport. You cant or shouldn’t buy planes for one airport. I heard once Cathay CEO said the A380 is a great plane for 3-4 big airports, but we buy our planes for our whole route system.
@@77l96 fact. The Covid has decimated the travel industry. A fact u left out. Fact. Smaller planes is what the industry is headed towards. A fact u left out. I hope the best for VA. I fear the worst.
for some reason, i love the way he says baby.
😧Ah ok 🙆
Justin Bieber: Well, there goes my title.
0:28
"Baby Boeing 787-8"
I used to pilot the 787-8 for Qatar until recently on the right seat. Sadly, theyve laid me off and a couple other people because we were the least senior on the fleet. I believe it must be around at least 30-50 FOs and Captains for the fleet that they got rid off. Its absolutely saddening. I loved the plane. I hope they call me back in one day to fly it again. I doubt there will be a chance to fly it on a european contract.
Tough times for us pilots and aspiring ones! I recommend to stay put and get a grip in another profession first. You can still become a pilot in later years!
Why would you want to go back to Qatar airways? There are better airlines out there that don’t treat you like shit,
If you like working there, I hope you will get back soon
Tiger Boy it’s a hostile environment, cabin crew report each other for smoking etc and flight crew are scared if they make a mistake
@@Sterlingjob Honestly, I didnt mind working there. I of course didnt like living in Doha but I didnt spend much time there. The money and the benefits you receive are just absolutely great and I really enjoyed travelling the world. Yes, the crew environment is not the best but I get along alone very well. :)
tcb blaxe lucky you. The dealings I had with them amounted to either friendly or unfriendly flightdeck, cabin crew mostly stuck up their own arses. No one could make a decision. And sweating captains when things go wrong. One captain was sent back to Doha as his FO put the park brake on during pushback. It’s not the place where the correct attitude to safety is taken.
Here in Pakistan, Qatar used to send the 777-300ER, which is now replaced by the 787 and A350k
Miss the 777 but also love to see the most stylish planes here in the Pakistani skies
the same thing with Kathmandu
Here too
Yea I'll be travelling to qatar in a 787-8 next month
No they still send the 300ER I think. It depends on the flight.
now A320 is going
Diversity now is playing a big role in recovery
Which is a total 180 when airlines decided to consolidate fleet (that's you American, United, Emirates)
@@cnordegren It's understandable. Fleet diversity is expensive from a maintenance and pilot management perspective, you need to spend a lot of money type rating your pilots and mechanics and keeping more equipment and spares in your hangars. When times are good and business is booming, consolidation is a good way to shrink costs.
@@Croz89 it's a matter of luck really and using the situation to their benefit plus they have a huge financial backup in Qatar airways
@@khalidatia6478 I think once things have recovered it will be a burden instead of an asset, though as a flag carrier it might not matter so much. I know budget airlines are usually very keen having only one or two types of aircraft in their fleet.
@@Croz89 Fleet standardisation is all & well until an aircraft model is recalled/grounded for safety/technical problems etc.
The airline is privileged to have its CEO working for them. The blockade did not deter operations.
He is a guy that works like a machine and will absolutely get his hands and dirty to make them a success. All the power to him!
This the different between wise CEO and a company looking for show off.
Well yes but...emirates relied on filling their aircraft which they did. It’s not about being a show off. It’s just a different business strategy that is flawed when there is a major airline disaster. Having fleet diversity has it’s advantages and disadvantages and in this case it is more advantageous. The real show off airline in my opinion is etihad. Just like air france, they ordered the a380 and had no idea how to use it.
@@hodb3906 the A350 is the best for airlines 😎
@ A350 also might be too big for now. 787 and a330 neo are best rn imo.
@@hodb3906 u are wrong, emirates wants to show off by their 200/100 something of their a380s in the hub, because they are the second richest country in the world after Qatar ,they show off, Qatar didn't do what they did, Qatar is the richest counrty in the would and it has only 10 of their a380 in the fleet, do u get what I'm mean, that is so disappointing, Qatar has a lot of different types of aircraft in their fleet but emirates has haif of the fleet 77 and the other haif filled it with their stupid a380,how come they took the a delivery of the last a380 delivery in the world and they retire their first a380 delivery in the wolrd,emirates doesn't know to make proper plans
@@kaxrimm You make no sense whatsoever. Do you even know what a hub ‘n spoke plan holds in without looking it up?
I agree, that Qatar has got it right. The reality is, the B787 and the A350 are going to be the future of medium to ultra long flights.
plus the 777x
@@kaxrimm - The B777-9 is still untried aircraft as it is still in flight testing. The B787 and A350 are both versatile aircraft and are cheaper than the rehash airframe design of the B777-9.
@@chrismckellar9350 yes
@@chrismckellar9350 yes u have a point in that, but it the 777-9 will when they Boeing delivers it to the airlines that they ordered the 777-9,it will play a really big role in the airlines and somehow the airlines maybe retire their 787 Dreamliner and maybe their a350 and all the 777 variants below 777-9 in 2022,because the both planes 2022 will be like 10-20 years old, Qatar airways retired their 10 a380 when covid-19 came to this bloody word .do u get what i mean, to be honest i think 777-9 will not be a good aircraft because of machinal fail and it failed 2-6 of its tests one of the tests are the pressure test and the pressure test its the most important part in the plane, the a380 and the 747 had played a big role in certain airlines and those plane nick named 747=queen of the sky and a380=super jumbo ,those planes are legendries and they got retired because of covid-19 and there really big size, what i mean to say is aviation in the future will not exist too much as it now
@@kaxrimm - I don't think the B777-9 will be a big seller, as the B787 and A350 are going to be the main stay of' nonstop 'point to point' and/or 'spoke n hub' long haul operations, as these aircraft are new airframe designs, are cheaper to buy and have operational histories. Despite a range of SARS-cov-2 vaccines could be available from 2021 onwards, countries will probably demand that anybody entering a country will need to have a SARS-cov-2 vaccination prior to entering. IATA is already drawing plans for an app based 'Travel Pass' that can be used by airlines and boarder control that is linked with the traveler's passport.
Whenever i go to ccu, (Kolkata or Calcutta) I use Qatar. Amazing service. 777 to doha, then the dreamliner to ccu
true ,and the same thing Kathmandu and a few countrys in Asia
@@kaxrimm pakistan, hong kong, china, Singapore, malaysia, bangkok
@@RealCherry8085 yeah?
Qatar Airways has the perfect strategy with a clever CEO and despite being very vocal he knows his business. Unlike Emirates who wanted to go big with its PR but from past experiences airlines should always need to also look at tough times from even past experiences like the 2008/09 financial crisis and the SARS epidemic.
qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up plan, Emirates just wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
As the saying goes, it takes a long time to stop a big tanker and change its course. The bigger you go the harder you can fall.....
@ al naim Ali This guy doesn’t know what he’s on about
Emirates is the best airline in the world and one of the most recognised airline in the world
@@naseemvlogs7466 nah,wrong information
I had a feeling the 787(especially the 8) could play a big role in recovery.
New World Disorder 787 vs A380 and guess who wins? COVID also knocks out the B747....😢
Solid strategy, planes that are easy to fill make money.
It doesn’t matter because you need to maintain the planes that don’t fill that easy. Plus airlines lease airplanes. Fleet diversity is more expensive to maintain and that neutralises the profit from planes that are easily filled , in this case the profit made from the 787-8.
for qatar airways not for emirates,emirates are losing everything and their passengers of their big fleet dumb a380 that they are flying
A330-200 is very popular and so is 787-8 if you you use it correctly, like QR did !
SQ also have a good mix of 787 and 350. This is defiantly a good mix for recovery
787-10. Bigger plane but still good.
@@grozaphy Scoot, which is owned by SQ, has the 788 & 789 though
The 787 give efficiency and the 350 a better experience
honestly I'm glad to see that qatar airways is going better than emirates, idk why but I've never liked emirates
Same,qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up planjust wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
Funny, I feel exactly the same way!
@@77l96 yes Qatar airways its has a big fleet of 777us but not as much as Emirates hople less 777 fleet
oh thats interesting , qatar airlines once put me on waiting list when i had in fact a confirmed purchased ticket , that scared the s*** out of me
Qatar CEO is smart guy. He doesn't need to prove buy all this big planes for a successful business
Fleet diversity will definitely be a factor in airline recovery and which carrier make a success and a hash of it, the A380 was to late to the game and to thirsty for the market, the A350, 787, and 777 series planes are paving the way to a greener more sustainable aviation future when the industry truly recovers
If you want to fill planes quick for long haul. 787 is suited for that..
Airlines know the most efficient and profitable jet to operate..These days if you want comfort you pay higher dollars for special seats
nicest plane in the sky
agree
🙅NOPE nope🤣. The nicest plane ✈ in the ☁ skys are the b747 and the Concorde
No the il-96 is
BIDHAN CHANDRA ROY that is two planes and one of them doesn’t even fly anymore...
Eduard Genard Andalis You are so disgraceful
Time for simpleflying to upload a video on =
"Variants of the 787 that never were"
The 787-300 is the 787 that never was
Abir Alvi hello bro! Nice to see you here! :D
Well that would only be one. The 787-3 ... And maybe the 787-10ER but this one was never official and could still become reality.
@@widget787 I play a game which has the 787-3, that's why i am asking simpleflying to make a vid on it
@@zulfiqaralikhurrum6911 the 787-3 was too heavy for its task.
Qatar is smart about COVID-19. I think that they have a good chance to recover.
qatarairways know how to manage big problems and they a lot of different in their fleet but Emirates on the other hand doesn't have back up plan, Emirates just wasted there money on the a380 and the 777
The are government owned and funded and a tool of the state. Of course they aren’t going anywhere no matter the cost
@@johniii8147 True
@@77l96 yeah,your right in this point, but qatarairways also have 777 and types from the Boeing family, Qatar airways are smarter than Emirates but Emirates is not better than Qatar airways
exactly
The 787 is undoubtedly they key plane not just to lower the severity of low travel demand, but to also help the airline maintain a strong presence in the industry. As of now what is also helping Qatar is it’s strong fleet of around 30 777-F’s. My dad is on the 777 fleet and says they’re logging around 100 hours a month. One of the few fleets in the airline that have not felt much of an impact from COVID.
Right now, the ideal long haul aircraft for any airline would be the Boeing 787 and A350
yes,that is a good point for qatar airways but not emirates
is it safe because it:s made from composite materials ?? I*m super nervous to go on 787-8 !
@@77l96 Well it depends on the airline and their needs
@@CandiOsaka I'm pretty sure you will be 100% okay :)
@@bluemilk4909 Thank you! I was thinking about flying on the newest Japan airline, ZipAir ! and they fly these ones
People here think that Emirates is a show off and don’t know how to do business. I think people forget one important thing about fleet diversity being that it is more expensive. It’s all good and well to have an 1 or 2 outstanding aircraft pumping profit but don’t forget that it needs to cover the maintenance costs and leasings of aircraft that aren’t filling up as successfully as the 787-8. The expenses made from qatar’s divers fleet somewhat neutralises the profit from the 787-8 or a350-900.
Edit: But it still has that edge over emirates. That is undeniable though. I just think is not that big as people expected.
In good times having just 2 planes is probably much smarter but the thing is you can always count on bad times to happen.
I've always enjoyed qatar 787-8 jakarta-doha b4 pandemic
Just wondering, why didn’t you re-record the video instead of just correcting it ?
I tend to agree with your opinion. We used to fly Emirates and Qatar between Australia and Europe in business class. We considered the facilities and the service of each airline fairly similar. This changed a few years ago when Emirates introduced their 777 business class with a 2-3-2 configuration. We have since avoided Emirates and opted for Qatar and Singapore Airlines.
Very good decision by Qatar
very niece qatar airways 🇶🇦🛬boeing 787 -8 dreamliner👍️👌
I’m loving all the interesting stories your talking about. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s video! 😃😃😃😃
Thanks for the feedback. - TB
No problem!
Well, the 787-8s are 'tiny' by long-haul airliner size standards - exactly what is needed in times of low passenger numbers like the COVID-19 pandemic days
Uhm 660 A330-200s have been ordered until today... it wasn't an unsuccessful aircraft like you said!
******B-787 good for economically and comfortably Thai is why airlines choose*****
🙏🌹🌹🇮🇳🌹🌹🙏
Thai airways are a sinking ship
The b787-8 its by far my favorite aircraft controversialy its heated by mayority
I don’t get airbus people... I am in pilot training, and I just don’t see how people think little sticks are better and safer then yolks. Go Boeing!
@@trevorrund895 *yokes
MGS Aviation Oh thanks! Sorry I’m trying to type this and work... looks like I actually do something stimulating in my life.
What I love most about the 787 is it's nose and cockpit window design. It reminds me of the dehavilland comet, the first jet airliner ever built.
@@trevorrund895 get stuffed fanboi. pilot training my ass
Does anyone knows if Qatar Airways has any plans of installing Qsuites/new economy in their 787-8 fleet ?? That would be a game changer aircraft post covid ....
No it’s not gonna happen , the plane is too small for q suite, it will be fitted only on the 777 and the a350 :)
But the new economy will be fitted in every aircraft but obviously that’s gonna take time, so you have to get lucky to be in the new economy classes
Qatar's 787-8s are early builds and not equipped with the overhead crew quarters for long range work. 787s are short on space and there are floor mounted IFE boxes to squish your feet on Qatar's. Most Qatar flights into Heathrow are using the 777-300 and A350-900 which i suspect also bring useful cargo such as PPE.
LOL. The 787-8 looks so short for me. Even though this isn't about the A320 I confuse the A320 with the A319 all the time.
I've flown Qatar Dreamliner, A350, A380 and 777 a number of times from the UK to Australia. Also flown Emirates, Etihad, Singapore and Qantas. My preference is Qatar however Emirates seats are best for comfort. Qatar's economy are hard, narrow and uncomfortable on the Dreamliner. In flight entertainment is superior on Emirates.
I just counted 29 A350’s (mix of 900 and 1000), 21 B77W’s (not cargo), all in the air, but juts 3 787-8’s in flight on Flightradar24. It’s currently 8AM in Doha. Are the 787’s used later on during the day?
787 makes sense but none with Q-Suite :(
Robert Castle There are gonna be Q-Suites 2.0 in the 787-9😀😃Don't be sad
It’s not like the current offering is bad, though. I’d take it any day over Emirates on their oversized whales or worse, the 2-3-2 on the Boeing 777
787 jal airlines is a legend I every sence
Are there any plug sockets for laptops on these planes?
"Baby 787-8" how cute
is boeing 787-8 safe ?
Of curse it is, the 787 isone of the most safest planes in the world.
The other idea that I think might grow legs, is that in stead of airlines using their own fleets, at the start of the recovery, it might be better to do a codeshare with someone such as Netjets, and use a Gulfstreem g650. This would provide a small capacity and would allow testing of demand.
I love Qatar’s 787
Qatar is smart. It’s the Way to go with the baby Dreamliner 787-8. They were really planning for the future with 30 on their fleet already.
It not a baby, but a titan baby
Great vid!
Thanks for the feedback. - TB
I love B787
Is that EGPH at 1:15?
As much as people like to fight on here about Airbus versus Boeing, a diversified fleet of several types of different sizes actually is the healthiest strategy. A homogeneous fleet like what Southwest has with the 737 or Airbus with the A380 can work in the good times, but can screw you when something goes wrong. The irony is that, I remember being in this argument about the stability of the industry while in training a few years back. I was working on a back up degree just in case and everyone was sure that the fat was now cut and nothing could kill the airlines like 9/11 did. And just like Emirates, they bet wrong.
Great vlog!!!!
Thanks for the feedback. - TB
If we have a Covid-19 vaccine this year, which seems likely, why would it take air travel until 2023/24 to recover? That doesn't make sense to me.
To cover the huge losses in quarantine time
Vaccine distribution and roll-out will take a little while too
Yes!!! You are right
@@khalidatia6478 if there's a demand for travel, airlines will fill that demand, and I think there's going to be a huge demand.
Likely a significant global economic recession will stymie demand for some time, that's probably the biggest factor.
It was always clear that once airlines had to shut down the recovery would start with smaller aircraft. Many can get by with even smaller aircraft on domestic routes.
he is wise enough to believe in boeing 787 dreamliner even before the Pandemic
Please feature the current status of the Philippine Airlines wherein there such been a news that they are downsizing their fleet... Retiring some B777's (except the 2 set to retire) & some of a350's (thinking not a strategic step).
I think Qatar is in a good place, all the twin engines should do them good #A330 ✈️
It's a shame - not sure if it was just me - but the seating in economy on these 787-8's was pretty uncomfortable after a few hours. Felt like there was barely any padding which on a 7 hour flight isn't very pleasant. Other than that they're great.
Boeing should phase out the 787-8 and replace it with a 787-8LR. The new aircraft will be exactly the same as the 787-9 except for a shorter fuselage. It will have the same active boundary control tail and the same MTOW as the larger 787-9. This will ease production logistics and position the 787-8 as a 220 seat 8,800 nm alternative to the -9 or -10 giving operators a reason (apart from list price) to opt for the smallest variant.
@@77l96 No need for a re-engine. The 787-8 has essentially the same "theoretical" fuel capacity as the 787-9. It is lighter and yet has a short range. Why? The active boundary control system in the 787-9 tail merely improves fuel economy on the order of 1%, so that's not it. Mostly because it is limited by a lower MTOW -- 26 tons lower to be exact. In practice it flies with her tanks about 80-85% full when typically loaded with passengers, luggage and cargo because it reaches its max takeoff weight. When used as an executive jet and carrying maximum fuel 787-8 flies further than the 787-9. 787-8 BBJ goes about 10,000 nm vs 9,500 nm for the 787-9. With the same exact engines, tail and MTOW as the 787-9, the 787-8 will fly about 8,800 nm in commercial service. All the components are already there -- it is a matter of re-rating the 787-8 to the same 254 ton MTOW as the 787-9, plugging in various -9 tail and structural improvements. Voila! You have a 8,800 nm 220 passenger jet perfect for long and thin routes.
Not bad at all, it would be a good idea for replacing the 777-200lr
They could lease A321 XLR for services between DOH and European cities, Middle East, India, and BKK. Only Oceania, USA and maybe Far East need to be covered by longer range aircrafts. Cargo capacity is also something to consider for airlines.
When it comes to cargo they really only have the 777F, 767-300F, and the 747-4F and 8F
I love the 787
For some reasons I would Like to know how many 787-8 has Emirates ordered
They did not order the 787-8, but they have 30 orders for the bigger 787-9
The dreamliner economy seats are just too narrow, no thanks ill stick with the A350 because at least the seats are just that little bit more comfortable.
After the pandemic...... there will be a lot of pilots in demand
Emirates has only 777 and a380?
Yes. At the moment
Fly Dubai (which is owned by the Government of Dubai, the same owner of Emirates) does the critical job of hooking regional destinations to Dubai to Dubai.
QR925 (DOH-CEB) is flown by a 777. Should I expect a 787 soon?
Yeah. By october it will be change to 787-8
Good airline great plane
This is a reupload???
No - TB
I think they are clever. Even with the last win in the international courted about their country ban, I believe Qatar Airways will jump quickly
andrecaldeira330 Qatar has the money and the brains.....😁
How does the A350 compare to the 787? They look the same.
they don't look the same
It has tons of differences
A350 is actually 777 class
Hope they buy a 747-8I
Does their fleet of A350 aircraft provide similar solutions as the Dreamliner?
@@77l96 the A350 competes more with the 777 since the 787 is just a smaller plane and is supposed to replace the 767
The the 787 is more efficient and use the fuel more better, while the 350 is more bigger and carries more people.
Please discuss the Qatar Airways and Oman Air partnership. Thanks
Wait.... A330-200 never being popular? There were over 600 of these built!
What would you count as poplar?
Well I guess they are ranks of success, I think a 600 is a normal success
I always fly Qatar traveling abroad. No other way to travel in comfort.
I flew both the 787 and A350 ;)
(Both with Qatar)
Who remamber that this 30 787-8 were planned to be leased all to air italy but whit boeing guess what delaying the deliveries of -9 to qatar this 787 remained in the qatar fleet
The 787 has been repeatedly a "sweet spot" for airlines. The build was more straightforward making maintenance a substantially frugal option. I have heard from FA's that the Airbus planes seem to quickly lose the "new plane" feel and quickly show the appearance of decades of wear rather than years of wear. The A380 for being a bus in the sky was found to require more unanticipated maintenance costs. As a result if the planes are not full the operation is a money pit operation.
Hope this pandemic situation recover soon but anyways travel won't be that easy.
IT companies work from home policy will completely change travel requirements.
Hope for the best. Good Wishes from my side. To all.
Love Qatar Airways, but I'm avoiding their 788 in economy at all costs. The seats are too narrow on long-haul.
I’m a huge fan of Qatar Airways but not of the 787 after a bad experience flying it with Qatar Airways ironically. I found economy class to be cramped compared to their other aircraft types, dislike the window dimming and found the beds in their business class setup to be uncomfortable. However this aircraft can really help Qatar Airways take the lead over Emirates given how they’ve carried on flying rather extensively during the pandemic while other airlines really slowed down significantly.
Stop moaning. Just fly in first class if you're gonna moan🙄
Ethan's Aviation Qatar Airways don’t have First Class on their 787s. They only offer it on their A380s which they only have a few of and that were flying on selected routes but aren’t even flying anymore due to Covid. Business Class on their 777s and A350s is good though. 👌🏼
@@mpdcuk no first class 😨. Do they have business class?
Ethan's Aviation yes they do.
Qatar and Emirates fly international without domestic routes, thus the widebody comparison. I believe most airlines are surviving with their narrow bodies such as A320s, B737s, EJets and ATRs flying domestic routes during these trying times.
I can’t wait to get back on board the marvellous A380, so that means I will always choose Emirates over Qatar.
All Airlines companies should have a dynamic plan for such circumstances, its time for narrow body Aircrafts.. Emarites will suffer a lot more than the other Airlines
787-8. Great airplane, very uncomfortable specially on long runs though.. in economy that is.
um, it's not uncomfortable at all.
It might be uncomftable but its a perfect aircraft for routes like bogota to london heathrow or washington to new delhi i love that chuby guy
I think the 787 is quieter than the a350. I’ve been on them back to back in Qatar and 787 so much quieter
Nick Olliver it is, I much preferred Qatar’s A330 than the B787. The A350 and A380 are the way to go for optimal comfort
@@nickbien A350 is slightly wider, while just as quiet imo.
But both better than 777 or A380 imo
Seeing this just makes me think that Alaska Airlines should get the 787
"The A330-200 was never a popular plane". Really? It sold 660 units. The 787-8 has only sold 422 units. It's just an odd statement to make, partly because the claim "popular plane" is very subjective.
He meant with Qatar
1112 in total it with put all the 787
Etihad is like a baby brother that never gets any attention :(
We cover plenty of Etihad stories on our website! You should check it out. www.simpleflying.com - TB
To be honest, I think the only Boeing that would be needed is the 787-9 but Airbus would do good because these planes also make sense, the: a350, a330 and a320
@@77l96 777, 737 and 747 (in terms of passenger) aren't needed as much because they are getting old. The max is a different family.
@@77l96 The 737 max always crashes, the 777 came out in the 90s and the 747 isn't fuel efficient because of it's 4 engines.
Title about Qatar 788 but more than half of the video is about Emirates and A380.
Tell us more about "Qatar Airways Won’t Take Its Order For 30 Boeing 737 MAXs" then. Has anyone won anything from the order cancellation of 737 Max? Just curious.
We have an article addressing the cancelation on our website. simpleflying.com/qatar-airways-boeing-737-max-cancellation/ - TB
Fuel consumption and operations costs..787 is very quite cheap to operate
Qatar Airways Also flying back to Singapore 🇸🇬 using Either Airbus A350XWB-900 or Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner Aircraft from Doha Directly.
Simple flying this just in
Virgin Atlantic recently filed for bankruptcy and is expected to run out of money in september. It is now part of virgin Austrailia's bankruptcy too.
Put this in your next video if you can
No Virgin Australia is not part or have anything to do with the bankruptcy. Completely separate company. VA is owned by Bain Capital and leases the Virgin brand
Virgin Atlantic had 17 • 789s and then bought
17 • A350s. I’m nobody but I thought they would have been way better off just having
34 • 789s. Oh well
@@77l96 it’s just my opinion
But I think VA would’ve been much better off with one fleet model like southwest or Ryan air.
There is not that much of a difference between a
787 And a A350-1000.
I heard they were gonna lose their deposit for the
A380 order. The airlines with single fleet model seem to do much better than the airlines with
Many different fleet models.
Easyjet
Indigo
Southwest
Ryan
@@77l96 they do the same routes basically. It’s a small difference compared to a
A380 vs A320.
Yes they are different
Yes the A350-1 is bigger.
But it doesn’t mean a small airline like VA needs them.
I’m a huge 777 fan. I think the 777X is a complete waste. Too big.
I just think airlines are forever buying every new thing that comes along, is a bad way of running an airline.
@@77l96 I love the 777. I hope the 777x sells 2000. I’m just saying my opinion.
I think VA is a small airline that wants to act big.
I just think fleet commonality is overlooked a lot.
JFK is one airport. You cant or shouldn’t buy planes for one airport.
I heard once Cathay CEO said the A380 is a great plane for 3-4 big airports, but we buy our planes for our whole route system.
@@77l96 fact. The Covid has decimated the travel industry. A fact u left out.
Fact. Smaller planes is what the industry is headed towards. A fact u left out. I hope the best for VA. I fear the worst.
@@77l96 no problem.
I love VA. I hope they succeed.
The 787 is a cheaper option. That is it. Nothing more.
You don't know anything about the 787 technology and world
here after American Airlines now have the most
ah common now u forgot 1 airline that is in between .
How are they going to fit the residence into a 787-8? :D lol
Is that a human voice or its robot
We can confirm that our narrator is indeed a human. - TB
@@SimpleFlyingNews what a great voice
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