@@NotYomama13 my mother being that kind of person that's all around rude, impatient, and treated us like crap all our lives, I can understand how Henry ended up at his wits end.
The lady does say shes not leaving her home when the Officers mention the Social Worker is looking for a care facility for her. Maybe shes been fighting to stay in her home, and if so, why cant they facilitate visiting care?
@@karenmossbryan7932 Maybe the team tried to help. I am a hospice nurse. My hospice do 24hr crisis care, but we can not do this forever. Unless you have long term care insurance, you have e to pay out of pocket. We also will offer to place you in one of our units, to get 24 hour care. Now if you refuse to leave your home ,then there is nothing we can do. She has a right to stay in her home. The police could have arrested him for threatening to kill her. He is a racist pos, but they thought he is old he wouldn't carry thru .I am glad we did not have one of our nurses, cna, Dr or Sw there are the time. He will get better care in prison sad 😔. It was a mess all around. He is on O2 she is bedridden of a certain size. How can she expect him to care for her? He is mean and abusive she is mouthy and needy. Meaning she is the type of person who wants you to hand them something, move this, give me that every 5min. Not a reason just saying this was a pulled Hand Grenade. Sorry.
That was difficult to hear. This lady was so desperate. You could tell. Oof. This is the kind of stuff that makes you terrified of growing old. Who is really going to care about you if something happens to you out of your control. Love waxes cold way too often!
That’s not 2 words, those are statements bud, 2 statements. But I get wy were trying to say, but that’s why there’s an edit button, no one else has to see your comment if you “Edit” and “Delete” the word “Words” and change it to “Statements” or just do away with the entire comment all together😂😂
@@margaretcarter7242 dude was living with a portable oxygen machine thing and could barely walk outside yet was expected to take care of a hospice patient whoever let that happen is what needs to be accounted for
@@dharmahikes he also said he needed help, and that nobody did anything about it. Not defending what he did, but he was clearly asking for help, and probably had been for a long time
He’s not an abuser he’s an old man who snapped because she was so demanding physically mentally and probably emotionally that not even 3 different nursing homes could handle keeping her and he reached his breaking point with taking care of her 24/7 while also being an elderly person needing care himself
He tried to get help before it reached that point, and they didn’t do enough and she was also refusing to go back to a home and was apparently too belligerent for 3 different homes. She was probably a horror to take care of . Her own son and law said she probably contributed to her own demise and I do not doubt that.
My granny was on hospice care for stage 4 cancer. I broke down when this lady said, please don’t leave me. My granny in her final days asked me not to leave her. I stayed by her side until she passed.
My Granny did so much for the rest of the family, and never asked for anything. But while she was in hospice in the hospital she asked our small immediate family to stay with her until she was gone, and we all did. I'd never experienced hospice before. It was so peaceful and relaxed. My Granny was ready to go and be with my Granda again, and she just quietly slipped away.
Sorry for your loss your story resonates with me I went through the same thing I didn’t think I would make it when my grandmother passed. Sorry for your loss and and may God bless your loving grandmothers soul she’s in heaven walking the gold paved walkways with God she’s at peace just like my grandma. God bless you
my granny had cancer too. grandpa took care of her durning the day. i gave him a break and slept with her at night. i had the night shift. it was hard work and very emotional. but in the end it was worth it. she didnt have to die in a hospital or hospice. so im gald she passed away peacefully in her bed like she wanted. me and papa made it happen.
@sarahm9723 My (40 f) husband (36 m) passed Apr. 20, 2024, after suffering major brain damage due to a lack of oxygen to the brain during a cardiac arrest. We took him off life support after 1 week, and he held on another week on hospice before finally passing peacefully. From the moment we took him off life support until 2 hours after he passed, I only left his side about 4x/day for less than 20 min each (once/day to go to a clinic 10 min away from the hospital that I have to go to daily for a controlled medication, and the other 3x/day to have a cigarette 🚬 and a private cry). The entire 17 days he was in the hospital, in a coma, there was nowhere I'd rather be than right there by his side so he wasn't alone when he died. To say that MOST people don't want to stay with the dying is ignorant. The number of people who prefer hospice care proves that to be false. The whole point of hospice is to give the person dying as much pain relief as possible, as well as the opportunity for family to be with them and comfort them during those last days. It was the best decision his family and I made.
Absolutely. I feel for both of them. I know his call at first seems disturbing but him saying to get her out of there was out of frustration and meaning she’s not appropriate to be taken care of at home and by him, get her somewhere she could be cared for. If she’s getting confused and combative I can only imagine how difficult that would be for him to manage her, let alone someone younger and in better physical/mental shape.
Heart wrenching… 😢💔 I work for the court system and I’ve seen so many elderly folks, raise, and care for their kids, only to be fully abandoned in old age. The kids only show up once the parents have passed, so that they can get the homes passed on to them.
@@Warlin_Door Nothing is wrong with me unless not lacking empathy or understanding and in general not being an awful human being is wrong? I’m very aware that anyone can be put in this situation at any time because I’ve seen what being a full time care giver will do to anyone at any age. Sometimes having a little compassion and introspection can go a long way for human kind, you should try it.
Yep. My Dad had a fall at 86 yrs and was my Mums carer. After the fall neither could look after one another anymore. We did the right thing and put them both in a Nursing Home because they both needed 24 hr care.
Ever since I was a kid, I always hoped that I would live fast and die young. Now, at 49, I still feel that I’d rather be dead than live like that. Living just to be alive is stupid to me especially at 80 something. Like what’s the point.
@@SolorockinOne My mom is 91½ bedridden in a nursing home. My dad has been gone for almost 2 years and she doesn't want to live anymore. I really hope that I don't live that long.
@@SolorockinOne I agree just to be alive has no meaning. I think a lot of folks later in years still find a lot of meaning in life so it’s worth it to stick around. 😊
I hear it all the time. Worked in social services for years with folks with different abilities and mental health concerns. The things some of my folks lived through are just unreal. I'm appalled they left after he straight up told them he would kill her and she begged them not to go, I'm unfortunately not surprised though. I get they have a job and can't just hang out but it's just not ok not in anyway
@@sarahbeaulieu999 I just watched a video of a cop breaking into a man's house and shooting him dead after telling him " this is our town" they do what they want because they are a bunch of thugs protected by qualified immunity
Oh man this poor woman. The fact that she’s being referred to as a burden, how her pleas were ignored, the lack of support. She and the family were massively failed
Ya but this guy was suffering too being awake 4 days at 86 to take care of basically a newborn. They was both suffering let’s not forget that just because 1 is a dude
She has been kicked out of multiple facilities. Poor woman my ass. She must have been a real monster. It doesn't justify the crime but I bet the dude has been brought to his limit.
It is absolutely insane that she was removed from MULTIPLE care homes for her behaviour and they thought the safe option was to have an 86 yr old man be her 24/7 carer.
@@yogogoyogirlyogogoyoyep that simple she didn’t play any role I’m sure this paints a complete picture, man bad man angry. Completely discount all of his emotions he didn’t take care good enough, I’m positive he was the only problem! He was so happy not distraught, he never asked for help, nailed it! Life is so simple!
I'm a hospice nurse. This is more common than you think. Taking care of another sick and dying human is VERY stressful and exhausting. He may have called 911 because the hospice agency wasn't finding placement for her fast enough and he snapped. The whole system failed both of them.
I cared for my elderly mother and it’s extremely stressful. I was the only one that stepped up in my family. How could you desert someone that bore and raised you like a princess. 💔
She had been in several different places and she was too demanding and that's why she was at home on hospice care. He said this when the first officer in the morning was talking to him.
He said he was gonna kill her 3 times, on body camera. The cop called her a burden while talking to her husband. I feel so badly for her..she was begging them not to leave 💔
Yes, and he was hinting as well to the police too this us why he's been let off he wasn't in a fit minded to look after anyone his age to much no sleep he snapped 😳 jus5 like that man told the police he's been putting up with her big mouth abuse at that old man he can only do not enough for her eyes so demanding he should of just walked out abd told someone I can't do this anymore
@@JulieIelasi-lt7yp what are you talking about ? Are you defending the killer ? What’s wrong with you, she’s an old lady in hospice he should’ve reached out for help ya but that’s not an excuse to kill anyone. Yea It’s not easy but he was just a big baby about it and had a temper tantrum that led to this tragic situation
My dad was bed bound I took care of him for 10 years till he passed away. If that woman was standing up and telling the officers the same thing they would have listened and helped her. I noticed my dad was invisible when he spoke, professionals just laughed over him or didn't reply, but they would always reply to me, protect your loved ones who are vulnerable, trust me, no one else will
I guess you just have to be old and decrepit to get away with shit like that. Not to mention they RELEASED the dude after charging him with murder. I didn’t realize being old is a get outta jail free card. Literally and figuratively lol
what are they supposed to do. people make viel threats all the time. it doesn't reach the level of a crime. they can't arrest him and they can't force her to leave. it's an impossible situation. she wasn't scarred enough to want to leave and he wasn't violent enough to arrest. the police can only do so much.
If you’re in front of a police officer, and you’re annoyed with your friend and you jokingly say you’re gonna kill them, do you want them to arrest you or smth?
I used to work in elderly care and, I know it's extremely difficult but if you're an adult and your parents are in this shape, you either HAVE to get them in-home care, bring them to a 24/7 facility, or watch them yourselves. I think people need to talk about it more, there is an end to life for everyone, and just like babies need care, elderly need care.
As an acquaintance said (he's a nurse): the problem with elderly people is that they do not release the happy hormones babies do so that adults attach to them and take care of them. Elderly people have none of that biological charm so to speak. If on top of that, an elderly person is a complete POS, no matter what even their children or paid workers will eventually abandon them. And you can't really blame them.
What this video is Really about is that our Fed Govt Does NOT Give A $hit about its Senior Citizens. As a 74 year old American, I can tell you that Social Services for Seniors has been drying up quickly across the nation. But the people in Washington DC think that the people of Ukr@ine & Isr@el are more important than Needy American citizens. What a waste of Police resources for Cops to need to babysit Senior Citizens this way. But the truth is that social services are stretched so thin that the Cops have nowhere to turn. Whatta bitter pill it is for us Baby Boomers to swallow. In the 1950's, they told us that the American Dream was limitless. Now in our old age, we can see Whatta Hoax the American Dream was from Day #1.
@@BassForever44 a hospice worker will say that, since he's dealing with strangers. When i took care of my ma i never wanted her to feel like a burden. She was a difficult woman, and made ME feel like a burden. The work she needed being bedridden wasn't nearly as hard as with my infant daughter. Sure it was work, but nothing matches the cries and constant attention you have to give an infant.
@@henrikpersson5420I understand where they are coming from, albeit was said a bit harsh. I’m caring for my elderly grandmother. She’s still able-bodied, but homebound and needs help with everyday tasks. She’s def not all sunshine and giggles, but I do enjoy our good times together. With the elderly, they have opinions and attitudes children have not yet developed. At the end of your life there is none of the excitement of reaching milestones. Instead, your body is failing and your final mark is a tombstone. Elderly can be straight up mean and that can feel cute at first, but it really starts to hurt. I love my grandmother so much and I’m happy I am able to assist her. I definitely find myself smiling more around children though.
I was a CNA for 15 years. Carer burn out is so real. Who ever thought to leave an 86 year old man with health issues needs a new job. They were BOTH asking for help! How could they not realize that?
It’s tricky because she still had the capacity to make an informed decision for herself. She didn’t want to leave her home. Forcing her from her home would be kidnapping. People are allowed to make bad choices. However, having said all that, the repeated threats he made of killing her, whether or not perceived as a joke, should have initiated immediate action. First, you speak to them alone. Then you separate them and work towards getting her increased home care.
@@rachelreeb695 well if she wouldve had the decency to respect the only person left willing to take care of her this never wouldve happened, she made herself a an even worse burden than her disability with her mouth and rudness, not even her own son in law sounds like he cares that he jsut heard he get shot and killed over the phone, most people would be in shambles. i dont understand how someone who cant live without the help of others becomes rude to their caretaker, i would feel horrible to even have someone forced to wipe my ass left alone deal with constant hate bombardment at the age of 86. also trying to act like disabilities arent burdens is some next level stupid, you make situations worse when you try to ignore the elephant in the room, people who are disabled know how much of burden they can be, which is why kindness to the ones helping you out of their own good will is a must
She was trying to get the officers to move in close to her so she could whisper to them without him hearing. They should have separated them to talk to each of them. She tried so many times. The dispatcher caught it and hopefully informed the officers of it. It was a total failure after her call.
Blows my mind how much they just waved him off. That’s not funny at all. Especially considering how he’s saying he’s fed up and tired/can’t handle this. So horrible. They both needed help and these officers failed.
I absolutely hate when people baby-talk to elderly people and take everything they say as a joke, like it's funny to threaten murder. Like, that's a fully grown adult, not a five-year-old.
@@SaintShion fr, that should be an insta red flag that he blatantly threatened killing her MULTIPLE times. I mean you can clearly see how pissed off this dude is from having to care for her 24/7. And from this encounter it probably seemed like nothing would really change for him. I know it’s easier to say this shit when you aren’t the one in the situation, but I feel like the officers could’ve read this a little better. The context surrounding his “joking” threats is a serious and angry man who is fed up with the person he’s supposed to care for. Definitely should imply that his threats should be taken pretty seriously.
@@erbodyluvschocexactly. From what it sounds like she was very demanding and picky. He was an old man himself. He shouldn't have ever been forced to care for her on his own. It's no excuse to kill her but she should've had professional care or been taken to a nursing home or something. I don't condone him killing her, but i feel bad for what he had to go through in day to day life while he was just trying to survive the end of his life himself. Their family, and public services failed them both. It could have been prevented. He could have found a better way to say "leave me the F alone" though.
It's ironic because the only conservatives I've met who are passionately for gun control are cops. Because they see what guns do every day. Clearly this guy wasn't one of them.
I am a senior myself. This video scares me so much. Senior citizens have a hard time getting the assistance we need. I pray that not only family but our government will help us in this important time of our lives. We are gifted with life and we deserve to age with grace and peace. Please don't throw us away or ignore our needs. ♥️🙏♥️
No, they had dealt with this couple a hundred times. And he was joking at the time elderly people often have mental degradation. It's not the cops fault it's more the family's fault for now helping out more.
Most of the time women aren’t listened to, especially old women. The cops identified and listened to the man from the start, much like mechanics, realtors, doctors and well, cops. It’s nothing new and is slowly changing. But these cops were only concerned about the man in this situation, not the victim literally begging for help
I agree. As someone with many chronic illnesses, I have 100% felt like a burden and even tried to self-delete. Being called a burden, and knowing there is literally nothing I can do and feeling like one, would just, ugh. People need to THINK before they speak.
It just made me think of becoming old and it’s such a deep feeling. I feel for everyone that is in this position. I remember when my ex gfs grandmother was on her deathbed. We were able to come into the room one last time and say our farewells. I told her that we loved her and she smiled at me. My ex gf didn’t have much to say but I spoke for her that day.
He called the police originally asking for help, literally asking them to take her out of his care cause he couldn’t handle it and they just left him and her distraught when obviously this should have been a hospital transfer or call into hospice to come ASAP before they left.
Both HE and SHE told the officers what might happen. They BOTH asked for help. He couldn’t take her anymore making that clear and she didn’t want them to leave . How ironic they were talking about guns. MIND BLOWING
They did not take either him nor her seriously. How can you not feel at ease after this visit. I’m not even in law enforcement. Any person with a brain and a conscience would never have left that house. I have learned to go with your 1st mind.
But if she knew it's not a joke, why did she refused to be taken away from there? Why would she insist staying with a man she thinks is going to kill her?
....and arrest him for what? There is no prosecutor anywhere that would have taken a case, under those circumstances. My wife has been saying shes going to kill me for decades😂
@@BlueSkyUp_EU She said it in the video. It was her home too. Everything she had and owned was there. She didn't want to be forced to leave when she felt she had a right to be there. I would think that's a feeling we all could understand. She also may not have fully believed he would go through with it. She said he had threatened her life repeatedly before, but since she was still alive at the time, she may not have fully believed he would this time. Unfortunately, he actually followed up on his words. Personally, when someone feels confident enough to "joke" with the cops/EMS about killing someone, they are most likely no longer joking and it's time to take the situation _very_ seriously.
It’s strange to me that an elderly person with health problems would be left to care for another elderly person with health problems. Why were they left to fend for themselves?
it broke my heart when she asked "are you a man's man, or a woman's man." and the answer was "I don't know what that means" I knew, and I knew with her at that very moment there was no help for her.
@ZoraXire it is very heartbreaking. However much easier to have this point of view with all of the evidence before you. I imagine the training for a situation such as this in most police departments across the country is scarce at best. On the outside looking in, I would say a lot more could have been done by the people that cared about the two of those individuals. Family, friends etc. It seems as though they were abandoned by everyone.
She literally just called him gay because he "took the side of the man" That'd break my heart because of the underlying homophobia, they'd be "on his side" if they had put her in an ambulance and out the house, they literally were on no one's side, and THAT was the problem
@Tome13Eclipse why are you forcing sexuality into this she was asking who's side they where on because they where being all buddy buddy with her soon to be killer
@@Dadbeard89 I'm not forcing sh!t on anything, that's literally what she said and what she meant They were not doing buddy with anyone, just trynna get out being akward asf so they wouldn't have to do their job, average cop stuff
CMS affords hospice patients and their families something known as “reprieve” where you can admit the hospice patient into the hospital for a week or longer so the family can get time to rest. The problem here is the hospice patient is still alert and oriented enough, she’s refusing to go elsewhere. You can’t force her to leave.
@@michaelscott33 The social worker can indeed make the necessary phone calls to have her admitted, against her wishes, into a care facility. She failed at her job, miserably. My grandmother was on hospice at home and was an absolute nightmare to deal with. Thankfully we all took turns staying with her and my grandfather so he didn’t have to care for her alone. After a month, we had all had enough and had her placed in a lovely hospice care facility where she was well cared for and died peacefully. I hate to think of the toll it would have taken on my grandfather had we not been there 24/7.
@@michaelscott33respite care has a loooong waitlist. My dad was on hospice last year before he died. Hospice isn’t like it once was. It has cut back on how hands on they are now.
She didn’t even take him seriously. “I’m not going anywhere!” are not the words of someone who is afraid the person they live with will kill them. She was maybe afraid that he would be mean, or ignore her, but she was NOT scared for her safety. She would have been willing to be taken elsewhere if she was genuinely afraid
The man was begging the police to take her away and the original call “he made” was so that she could be safe, he even said take her or stay there with him, they refused to listen to him, if it wasn’t Agun , it would’ve been Aknife. He tried to get help but in his words, “wonderful, everybody talks, but no one actually does anything.” This is not a situation where it’s one person’s issue of handling it was everyone. if you listen to the things, he saying this wasn’t the first time he’s called to try to get her to leave and she’s obviously either been kicked out of nursing homes or walked out against medical advice.
"Oh he's just joking, nagging about the old ball and chain"... Probably what they thought. And I might've thought the same if it wasn't for all the other obvious signs. It really baffles me how nothing was done here.
@@Callidus7SSM That's not true at all. She's living with an abusive partner, first of all, the psychology of that alone is more complicated. And to add to that, plenty of elderly people simply shuffle off the mortal coil rather than enter nursing homes (more common in men than women, but happens to both)--sometimes they've lived 30+ years with next to no change to their lives and change is genuinely more scary than the alternative There's a reason many people eventually get taken in against their will, especially at her age
@@joemama2455Henry told the Police “I’m gonna kill her.!” 9.56 into the video, the police laughed and said don’t say that! Maybe also check out what Henry said to the police 6.29 minutes into the video! This makes my blood boil, she was asking for help and never should have been left with Henry.
They were acting chummy in hopes he’d feel comfortable with them so they could gain information such as what kind of guns he has and how many and how trained he is in firearms. Outside of EMS reaching out to a social worker to find her other placement there prob wasn’t much that could be done. It’s a very unfortunate situation but it’s important to remember that he alone is responsible for his actions.
They always do that. And yes, they are partly to blame. When he told them "you didn't do anything to help me" it was true. They completely ignored the situation and the obvious signs that something bad could happen
That initial visit was such an obvious cry for help from both of them. They both had been pushed to their limits and were actively ignored by everyone. The fact that something so preventable happened at all is disgusting.
@@liddytheweeb I'm not victim blaming. Ever hear the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it?" How many times did the officer suggest help and she flat out refused. Would you like the officer to drag her out of her house?
@liddytheweeb not victim blaming, neither of them accepted the help offered. Even on hospice, people are still cognitive of what is going on. If he couldn't have taken care of her, she needed to go to a hospice center. He needs to go for detox. It's twofold. They tried, but she didn't want to go, two tired elderly people. The cops can't force someone to leave, frustrations boil over and he went to far again while drunk.
@@benguensche and because those cowardly cops weren't willing or wanting to actually do anything now you got a dead crazy lady and a crazy man who snapped. The cops should be fired for this.
No, not really from that generation from a smaller town. That's like 80-90 percent of older folks in small town Montana or Idaho. Nothing about that statement is illegal so I'm not sure what you'd like them to do. The only thing these officers could have done is question them separately. We have the privilege of hindsight. This was a tragedy and the old man is responsible for his actions. Not the officers.
It won't. She should have been in a nursing facility but she REFUSED. She made this poor man have to put up with her and he couldn't take it. I feel sorry for the man not her
I agree more should have been done. But I don't blame these officers either. They can only do so much. Hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment most of these things can like bad jokes, and a couple having arguments. But yes they should have taken her more serious when she started to scream for help.
I don't blame the officers but they certainly could have done a better job of speaking to her on her own... Although I'm not sure what would have come from that unless she had clear information of threats from him and was willing to be taken out the house. You can't blame her for not wanting to leave home but it's also unfair to expect to stay home despite not being in good health and her husband not being in good health. Should they have removed her from home against her will? I'm not sure but it's quite challenging and seems like only so much they can do. It would be interesting to k ow how much social worker was involved but again can they remove her against her will if she doesn't want to leave? Eeeek, I'm only at the point where the officers are leaving
@@cdouglas8393 Yeah I agree. How social workers or even medical centers allowed or considered that leaving a 82 year old on hospice in the hands of an 86 year old who needs an oxygen tank to get around was an acceptable condition is honestly what pisses me off the most. That's not even taking into account that there might be more going on with this man than we know. His confusion and anger might be symptoms of something we can't see because we're only getting a view from the body cam of the officers. I've seen what dementia can do to a person first hand and this is very similar to my own experiences. Not exactly the same but very close.
As a doctor, this was preventable. Where was her hospice team? Who signed off on him being her caregiver. We KNOW how hard it is to be a young, healthy caregiver. Let alone be someone who needs care themself.
Absolutely! Also, the stress and frustration from the burden cause stress hormone cortisol to be constantly present in the body, which can eventually alter the brain. The law doesn't consider the possibility that some health conditions can cause mental issues where, if medically corrected, it could turn them into a completely different person.
@@tinaarko6625 She obviously didn't want to die, but she refused to leave the house and go into hospice care where she needed to be. She had every opportunity to leave that house and be safe if she felt she was in danger. But she selfishly wanted to put the burden of care onto Henry who wasn't equipped to deal with that. He shouldn't have done what he did but he was obviously tipped to the boiling point of his capacity to handle it anymore. Apparently she had been kicked out of homes because she was so hard to deal with.
My thoughts too… I am a nurse, and I am trying to figure out what nurse is coming into her home to do the assessments that they do on a weekly basis and not see that this is a very unsafe situation, and begin the process of removal of her in that home to someplace safe? I feel like whatever hospice this is, should be pursued in a lawsuit and whatever nurse this is, should also be pursued in a civil case.
Calling her a burden with her in the room broke my heart. This poor woman was clearly petrified and must have felt so alone. Carer burnout is one of the most devastatingly tragic things.
She’s been in nursing homes and got kicked out because she gets mean. He’s OLD worn out and in bad shape himself. He shouldn’t be expected to wait on her or take care of her in his condition, yet he is. The EMS should’ve transported her to the hospital till adult protective services placed her. She’s refusing to go to a safe place herself. What a sad vicious cycle. Both old people are sick and need help. His drinking is about the worst thing he could’ve done. I’ve personally SEEN this happen to some people in my life. It’s a no win, never will get better situation. Our society and system doesn’t look after the elderly.
This! People in the comment section are basing their reaction off of what happened in the latter part of the video but the first part was very telling. You are spot on. Hospitalization would’ve been the best option to separate them for a short time. Giving both of them a break from each other. This story is truly heartbreaking. Prayers and peace to everyone involved 😔
Sole carer burn-out is VERY real and can have tragic results if not taken seriously. The pair should have been separated and home care professionals bought in to assist in caring for June until an appropriate facility could be located for her.
This is so accurate. It is exhausting to care for a person with severe illness. To do it alone is almost impossible to imagine! This was elder abuse X 2!
Yeah thats hard, it definately gets to a point where even though she doesnt WANT to go, she needs to for her own health. Thats a really hard one to sort out for social workers im sure.
I was my moms caregiver for many months. I have systemic lupus and MS it was the hardest thing I ever did. My dad was a disabled vet so couldn't help. He made too much for free Medicare caregiver but not enough to afford one. Caregivers are $60-$150/hour. Way too much for most even middle class to afford. I was her only caregiver. But I made sure she was well cared for. The last few weeks my body gave out but thankfully my brother came from out of state to help. I would have never let my mom suffer. I can definitely understand why she needed help. No way could he do this on his own. Wish Medicare could offer free caregivers. Even if only part time. Even just enough to let the main caregiver rest. My mom passed last august. Miss her so much. My health is really bad now. It took everything I had to care for her. Hardest job in the world. I had also had a severe car wreck so many month before. Broke all ribs on my left side, compression spinal fracture, lower spine fracture, internal bleeding, and others. When I cared for my mom I was wearing my back brace but it really messed up my compression fracture. Everyone needs to prepare for their end of life. Please put money to the side or you'll be left without help or in this situation.
He said it because he believes the officers share the same beliefs as himself which is why he was comfortable saying it for no reason.. It’s not uncommon for racist people to view the police as “good ol boys” like themselves. I mean they watch the news and see certain police shootings that make them have this belief.
@truck.-kun. if they even become officers it means they passed a state approved test that proved they have already dehumanized everyone thats not a rich european loyalist...
Disrespected and disregarded- both of those words are so spot on. I could feel her frustration when she asked “are you a man’s man or a woman’s man?” “Aren’t you going to shake my hand?” He called her a burden right in front of her. He had no intention of helping this poor woman.
They offered to take her. They cant live there ffs. It was her choice to stay which meant she expected the man to do everything for her all day who was clearly struggling mentally. Cop couldnt of done anything. Where are her family you should be asking. Doesnt she have kids who should be there to help her during the end of her life. She clearly wasnt going to live long.
@@trouty7947 no, they didn't. they said erica, the woman's social worker, was trying to find a facility for juneanne to go, but juneanne said she didn't want to go because it was her home. the police left, telling henry that erica said to call her back when he's less mad
ppl in the comments are saying that they couldn’t have done anything, they could have removed him from the residence. they could have asked them about details, asked each of them about what was occurring, but they didnt.
She refused to leave the home (which I don’t blame her for) but there weren’t any other options available to her. She wanted free 24 hr home health but that doesn’t exist. I feel bad for both of them.
@@nikkithruthelookingglass183 he said it more then that in relations to doing so and the lady not being on the same terms he was on at all times she was talking during the video was clear sign something was wrong. I mean even saying "guns are ready to go" was weird in it self but the cop didn't take it as anything since he liked guns himself so he decided to make his relation to it.
I think he said that pretty glibly. I don’t think the Officers even really heard it clearly. Henry was quite clearly at the end of his tether and as a result he flipped and the gun just happened to be there and loaded. It’s a sad case all round
She asked for a card and the officer had the nerve to act like he was irritated. As a young man who’s paralyzed and has a caretaker myself this is extremely concerning to me these officers didn’t care about her at all. Also shame on her social worker, this man was on oxygen and had no business having to take care of her all alone.
You only hear what you want to hear. They offered help, but she didn't want to take the help. Didn't you listen what the last guy had to say. Just because someone is disabled or sick it doesn't mean that the world revolves around them.
@Tybby22 the courts ruled that the purpose of police is not to serve and protect the people. The government in this country is getting more and more authoritarian
When a woman is taking care of her dying husband, and isn’t a good caretaker, we blame her. When a man is taking care of his dying wife, and isn’t a good caretaker, we feel sorry for him.
Well that's how they feel about homeless, disabled and the mentally ill. Never expect to be treated with dignity or respect. They're literally throwing dying people out of the hospital onto the literal street.
This whole situation is ridiculous. You've got an 86-year-old trying to be a 24/7 caretaker for a completely disabled old woman, a task that would be difficult for someone half his age, and the cops just abandon both of them with no follow-up.
Agreed i was 15 to 17 taking care of my great grandma along side of my grandma, 22 to 26 caring for my grandpa along side of my grandma. It was very hard but there was 2 of us. We got breaks when we needed to. This is nuts.
her begging them not to leave and giving them tasks to keep them there longer seriously breaks my heart. the signs was soooo clear especially with henry!! i wish they took action from the first visit, may juneanne rest in peace 💔💔💔
@@karmaroundi have no clue🤷🏽♀️ im thinking maybe the house was in their names so she had the right to stay or maybe she didn’t want to leave because she knew the issue wouldn’t be solved idk
no wonder the policeman didn't take his words about killing seriously. He was a tired, senile man who had enough, they talked to them and the woman said several times that she didn't want to leave the house. When she was really afraid of her partner, she would like to be taken away. Many of us sometimes get fed up and say that we will kill someone without really intending to do so. When talking to older people, you don't take their words literally, especially when someone is angry and tired (this man said he hadn't slept for 4 nights). The police are not social services, this woman should be in a nursing home and the police are not there to deal with this.
@@nemix5284 i get what your saying but still in a situation like this the police was supposed to talk to them separately & didn’t. maybe if they did this and understood the true fear she had, social services could’ve got involved more quickly. he was a tired old man that got to his end but it didn’t have to go as far as him killing her.
My great grandma had an “acid tongue” sometimes right before she died it took a major toll on my great grandfather, but my aunts, grandma, and uncles were always there helping because it would cost $3,000 a month for a nursing home. He had absolutely no help and her family didn’t help either. This is an absolutely sad and tragic situation and case that was completely and totally preventable
and in additional if this was not enough: Its a pitty to let humor rule such a case from the beginning: Oh, JUST two old people, what should we do? and oh, he told her to kill her in front of the...... P O L I C E....how funny! I dont know what humor has to do within the work of police especially A F T E R a 911 call.... I mean they didnt met on the streets in their free time!
are you talking about when the cops were there and she was still alive? Honestly Henry did all of the talking and she really didn't really talk all to much. But she has also been referred to by name multiple times and people called henry by his name because people in general found him more likable then her.
Most bizarre things: - grandpa looks and talks like Uncle Junior from "The Sopranos" - cop compliments Uncle Junes guns - cop says that he likes gun people - Uncle Junior threatening to kill her in front of the cops - the women talking about "macho macho" and "do you enjoy men?" - the insane ramblings of Uncle Junior after everything that happened
As a retired nurse I understand some things other folks may have missed. She had been in several facilities previously. The gentleman was exhausted, frustrated. She expresses fear yet refuses to leave. I do not understand why her Hospice providers were not called. There might have been a different outcome if "Respite Care" had been offered. Respite care is a temporary solution providing a few days rest and change of scenery which is vital to an individual 24 hour 7 day a week caregiver. I do wonder where her family was.....
Some areas do not have respite or long term care is far away. Some families do not keep in touch for various reasons eg abuse in the past. JuneAnn wasn't the easiest person to reason with, and maybe the social worker tried everything to convince her to accept help again. Very tragic.
@sphinxkat I have known cases where "clients/residents/patients " were requested to leave a facility with the explanation "not able to meet their needs" being given. I have seen cases where one person was requested to leave 5 different nursing homes in one city.
Yeah like people are saying "oh the system failed her" but if they aren't allowed to forcibly remove her from the home and she refuses to leave, what can they do? If there's no relief available, what's to be done? Since she's known for getting mean, possibly her family cut contact with her.
@@auggiejones8313 I really hope you never have to be ones caretaker or be taken care of yourself, because I can’t imagine the way you would feel if you’re a referred to as burden regardless of if you “are one”
Angry grumpy old man making threats , guns all around the house, old lady begging officers not to leave and gives hints to police dispatch???? I literally blame the police officers and the police department this situation should have been taken way more seriously and more should’ve been done to prevent this from happening.
Angry and grumpy??? He's 86 fealing with a bed ridden, rude, demanding burden of a woman WHO HAD BEEN KICKED OUT OF MULTIPLE CARE HOMES She didn't want to leave her home, wanted to remain a burden. I get why he did it.
@@Misscnyp he IS an angry old man. being frustrated doesn't excuse murder y'all are so weird for defending this. funny how you acknowledge how frustrating it was for him while she was the one bedridden and fearing for her life. there was no other choice but to demand things. of course it would be hard for the caregiver but you are oddly sympathetic towards a murderer. the system failed both, but don't act like he didn't make the choice to pull the trigger out of anger
@@Misscnyp that's on them for giving up on a hospice patient. It's easy to call someone intolerable when you're not the one in pain everyday and close to death. no matter how demanding or annoying someone is it still doesn't excuse murder. they are both victims in this situation but it doesn't make what he did right
Exactly! I think anyone telling police that they "don't feel safe" should immediately make the police take this situation more seriously. Maybe take him somewhere else and have some qualified caregivers step in, even if temporarily. Nope, they just left...
@@mandapanda6233 ESPECIALLY since not only didn't she feel safe, but he made a direct death threat, to her face, in front of police, talked about his guns, and the police just shrugged it off as a joke. They must have seen how exhausted and at the end of his tether he was. At the least, they should have talked to the useless social workers on his behalf because he was in no fit state to explain to them, and they refused to speak to him when he was rude to them. That he was angry and lashing out should have made them even more concerned for Juneann's safety, and got her to a nursing home, despite her wishes. Patients wishes should be respected as much as possible, but it WASN'T possible for her to remain there and get the care she needed with only an extremely elderly man as her caregiver.
13:40 she's asking to be pulled up, she's sinking/sliding down the bed. The fact they can't see or realize what she's asking is just sad. How they speak in front of her breaks my heart.
3:41 shes not even laying in the bed properly. She needs to be lifted up the bed . And who is doing her bed baths and personal cares? I doubt that old man can do all that properly.
Ikr. I wish social services would have got at least a part time career for her. My goodness. Poor lady was in worse shape than my grandmother and she was in LTC.
Its heartbreaking they just keep completely ignore her and treat her like shes stupid, they barely had a brain to help her with her bed. Im sure he had care fatigue but damn the cops should've noticed the shit he was saying, especially with the way they weren't smiling at all with each other, just cold stares.
So tragic. The cops that responded in the morning didn’t take Henry’s outright threat to kill her seriously and I’m sure it was because he’s elderly. Henry saying “you didn’t stop me!” Clearly shows he was serious about the threats he made against Juneanne and was looking for them to step in. Rip Juneanne 💔
I wouldnt say it was a "clearly" moment. As he backpeddled right after and claimed it to be a joke. Even said something along the lines of "please don't take it seriously" paraphrasing of course
The reality is he didn't out right say he was going to kill her if they didn't get her out of there, so all of this is still on him. (That being said he was clearly at a breaking point. I don't think he was thinking rationally anymore.) But I do believe they should have separated Henry from Juneanne and THEN questioned her. I'm also confused as to why Juneanne didn't want to leave if she thought her life was at risk. I think she possibly wanted the cops to make Henry leave permanently, and assign someone to take care of her, but the reality is the police are limited in what they can do. And they cant just force Henry to leave his own property if he hasn't made a legitimate threat, or committed a crime.
I think the ultimate fault lies with whoever allowed all three parties to be in this situation together at all, rather than with Henry, Juneanne or the police.
When she asked to shake the cops hand, and she started crying. Knowing that was the last touch of kind human compassion she would every have is utterly heartbreaking to think about 💔 My heart hurts for her. RIP
As a former hospice nurse, this whole situation turned my stomach. It never ever should have come to such a horrific conclusion. The hospice agency in charge of Juneanne's care totally dropped the ball on this and is guilty of negligence at a minimum. Their inaction led to Juneanne dying without the peace and dignity that the hospice agency was supposed to provide and also led to the total destruction of Henry's life. I feel nothing but sorrow and compassion for him.
I agree, everyone invovled from her, the careworker, hospice, cops, and even henry himself, knew he was in no position mentally or physically to be able to take care of her the ways he needed to be taken care of, let alone taking care of his own need, house and a pet.
imagine defending the man who put a gun to this defenseless woman and pulled the trigger. knowing full well he had power of attorney and could have put her in a nursing home.
The fact that she spent the last hours of her life not being taken seriously and being demeaned by men who were more interested in talking about firearms is heartbreaking
@@KevD720 Dude. Do you know her financial situation? Do you know that elderly patients are abused in those facilities? Do you understand that she might have been scared? They were so obviously siding with the man here. And did you honestly believe that old man who wasn't right in the head was going to call the number police officers gave him? That lady was screaming for help and they ignored her. It was obvious misogyny. The police officers could have interrogated them separately but they didn't care enough to do so. Put your mom/grandma in this situation.
It was obvious misogyny. And i know i'm gonna be hated for this bc most ppl who watch this channel are men but idc. They did not listen to her bc she was an old woman and though she was just a crazy old lady.
@@undercover2333 "Dude. Do you know her financial situation? Do you know that elderly patients are abused in those facilities? Do you understand that she might have been scared?" you don't pay attention and it shows. she was removed from *multiple* nursing homes because of her behaviour, not because of her financial situation. the couple owned a home, numerous firearms, and had pretty good insurance... they had the money. she was adamant that she didn't want to leave, and it wasn't because she was scared... it was because her stuff was there. that's all. the officers, case workers, and hospice workers told her *numerous* times that she needs to leave, especially if she feels unsafe... and she refused. she was stubborn. even right up to the point where she was begging the police not to leave, they told her "we can't stay here all day, but we can make it so erica can come assist you" and she *still* said "no, i'm not leaving." what were the cops supposed to do? arrest the guy on the spot because he made what can easily be perceived as a dark joke that literally *every* old couple makes? because they didn't do that, they're misogynist??? now none of this excuses at all what the man did, but you cannot simply cover your eyes and pretend that this women didn't do practically everything wrong when it came to helping herself/save her own life, and that it was all just misogyny from the police that caused her death.
ACTUALLY GOOD 911 OPERATOR. She asks the woman if she felt safe, and then pivoted to asking only yes or no questions just incase the angry guy was still in the room!!!!
@@migomigo2595 call operators are extremely busy she was aware that police arrived at the residence from there it is no longer in her hands it’s entirely up to the cops from that point onwards.
Thank you! I was actually saying that as I watched. I took care of both my parents suffering from Alzheimer's. My father became bedridden. I'd have to adjust him in the bed often. It was obvious when I watched that she needed to be adjusted. I can't imagine how someone couldn't see it. It was breaking my heart watching this.
And it was obvious her whole body was slumped down in the bed they acted as if they didn’t see that.😢This was preventable he was not healthy enough to do for her.
Me too. Former CNA and she needed to be taken care of by someone trained and healthy enough to move her. She was just uncomfortable. If you lay in bed all day, you need to be repositioned throughout the day and night so you don't get bed sores.
The guy was 86 he couldn't care decently for that woman. The system failed her badly. The sad thing happens a lot with caregiver burnout etc. **Adult Protective Services also was to house on the same day. They couldn't force her to leave if she didn't want to go but could have offered other help **
@@SweetPotata10 considering how much people overexaggerate, he probably just wasn't getting a full 8hrs every day, probably just 6 and wants to whine about it.
That he had not had sleep for 4 days and had COPD means the lack of enough oxygen and lack of sleep would have left him in a mentally fractured state. Not to mention the incredibly high stress environment and lack of support. Hearing the neighbours say he thought the world of her broke my heart. She should never have been left there long before that day.
I totally agree with you, they weren’t listening at all, he was crying out for help, he said he hadn’t slept for 4 days. They should of taken her to the hospital till they both got the help they needed
@@RaMoOgAAND ON TOP OF ALL THAT, he was supposedly drinking that morning as well. So this 86 year old man with COPD, who is sleep deprived, drunk, likely has some form of dementia, and has been under immense stress for who knows how long.
It was crazy hearing the neighbors say that, he really did care about her at first. The fact that she got kicked out of multiple nursing homes and her own ex son in law said she contributed to her own death with her acid tongue is so telling. Henry was not there mentally, and he was in so much pain when the cops found him. He warned them.
As a caregiver, I know what it's like to be burnt out and that man needed help. Where was her hospice nurse? Where was the social worker? They dropped the ball.
Where was the rest of her so called loving family I’ll tell you they were hiding out cuz they didn’t want to deal with her u seen how demanding she was when the first set of the police showed up she was kicked out of all them nursing homes the son inlaw knew exactly what kind of person she was so where was her children hiding from her i bet the old man couldn’t get any breaks so he could take a big huge breath of relief from her his life was destroyed because of this woman once again another mans life destroyed by another overbearing woman. Turn henry loose.
My first thought too. I was never a nurse but I helped take care of my mom when she was in hospice. It was … the single most emotionally and physically exhausting time of my life. I am sympathetic. That sympathy only goes so far though - but God, the minute you’re so burned out that thoughts of violence enter your head, you need to go get more help and surrender your responsibilities. I hate this. I hate all of this.
@dwightherrington7793 He shot her.. it's still murder. When I want out of a relationship,a marriage, I dont just shoot my wife and kids then skip away saying well I was stressed out, whatever!
@Maxwell.444xX So, why then she behaved like that with her care personnel at multiple care homes, to the point that she’s been kicked out multiple times? 🤔
My husband recently died and needed a lot of care his last two months, I’m here to say I’m 59 and if he had been totally bed ridden I’d only have help for a bed bath once a day. No more. And that’s on hospice. They don’t offer a care aid. They don’t offer much help unless it’s sort of an emergency. If I can’t change him I’m screwed. He weigh 220 lbs. I cared for months for my mom who weighed 120 and my back hurt for a year. America literally turns their backs on the elderly and infirmed. A nursing home won’t even take her unless she has no property (or they want the property) and will take social security and Medicare payments and they are the worst nursing homes. It’s terrible. What he did was wrong but I think he absolutely snapped with the stress.
You are so right. Where were her hospice team and her social worker. There is absolutely no help for elderly care that is affordable. It's ridiculous. The families are left overburdened.
I agree. My best friend had to start taking care of her mother, and it absolutely ruined her health. She is in her early thirties and looks like she's late fifties now 😥 She has to drive everyday thirty miles and she has brothers who live right next door to her mother who refuse to help. I feel so bad for her. It's too much for anyone to do alone especially an elderly person!
Can you imagine the kind of impossible stress that this poor old man was left to suffer with? He was in his mid-80's. He should have been living out his final days in peace and comfort and instead has his physically and mentally sick and deteriorating partner just dumped on him. Literally, dumped on him. Nobody gave a shit about either of these two poor people. Such a sad ending to two lives.
My father, who just passed away at 92, took care of my mother hand and foot for over ten years. She was slowly dying over that time…a very very sick woman. My mother passed away finally in 2011. Dad then continued to live alone for 12 more years. Of course my brother and I would visit to keep him company, and do whatever he needed at the time. On April 3rd 2023 he was advised he had advanced lung cancer. (Never smoked) My brother and I exchanged weeks being with him making sure one of us was with him 24/7. He passed after 7 months. We took care of dad hand and foot 24/7 swapping weeks for only 7 months, and I can tell you I am SO PROUD OF MY FATHER for taking such great care of my mom for all those years. It is VERY VERY tough to do what my brother and I did, let alone what my dad did for all those years. Dad, Mom, I miss you both dearly and I am so thankful my Dad was way for patient than this man.
Proud of you for everything you did for your Father. He was obviously a very amazing man and it shows in you and your brother as well by doing what you guys did. I'm sure that made him extremely happy and proud to see as well. Sending my love, the world needs more humans like that.
@@Nolimitfredo24 You literally commenting shows you do, in fact, care. If you have kids they'll most likely treat you how you're treating this situation. Good luck in life. LOL
Henry clearly suffered a mental break from all the pressure he was put under. It’s too much for a man of his age to be in charge of someone else’s care, let alone by himself. They needed help, both of them. This is so sad.
Yes I feel sorry for both he needed help too he completely snapped. It is very demanding for a young person to take care of a bedridden relative who is frustrated and sick. It is so sad he was all alone with this responsibility and so sad for his spouse who was suffering so much
@@Myspicyonion Henry did call for help the day before. Police ignore both Henry and Juneanne's request for help.... Police said go deal this problem with yourself.... Henry said he's had enough and threatened to kill that old lady. Are you deaf???
The way they even talk about her as if she wasn't there. I cared for my grandma, I am now caring for my mom. And yes it gets frustrating. But whenever we have paramedics over, I shut up so they talk to my mother and not to me about my mother.
@@janoraj4667 throughout the first visit the cops did, he insisted the cops to leave all the time and everything was fine. He then starts to yell when he murdered the lady, that the previous cops that came to the house were supposed to "help" him, yet he clearly insisted on being left alone many times in the morning. why are you feeling sorry for him? he murdered her regardless if he's 86. i agree this was extremely preventable and there should have been way more access to help but he still murdered that lady, knowing damn well she was scared for her own safety.
@beaulynch6971 he only insisted they leave after he saw the cops couldn't take her against her will. He felt they couldn't do anything for him, so they should just leave. Doesn't excuse what he did, but it's just in response to your statement
This was so disturbing to watch. The police complete lack of taking these people seriously was disgusting. He literally threatened to kill her twice, admitted to having lots of loaded guns “ready to go,” she’s crying and pleading for them to stay, and the cops were acting as though they’re having tea with grandma and grandpa. Disgusting.
@@silversmoke6 Because you'll be called a communist and un-American. Someone has to feed the "for Profit" healthcare system that cares about the bottom line instead of the patients. This country will tax you until you die but couldn't care less if you need help at end of life. Inconvenient truth.....
Unfortunately the kind of social understanding your comment is implying, isnt automatically present in every person, and police are just random people. I agree with you, I wouldnt have said that either personally, seems pretttty distasteful and socially tonedeaf to use the word burden when shes on BEDREST yeah im sure its a burden for her as well to be stuck in a bed lol, we gotta remember that officers might be the kinds of people, we personally dont like. lol But they are still officers, maybe someone can help educate this guy on being more subtle as not to be a rude ass to people lol :P
I've had a coworker accidentally dial 911 and 911 called them back just to check if they were okay. But when they're on call with an 80+ year old hospice patient that clearly is verbalizing they feel unsafe and they just let the call drop???? Are you serious right now????
@@bpslick4565 that doesn’t matter at all. There’s proper protocol for potential abuse situations, which was already revealed to the dispatcher. The police failed her every step of the way is the problem and the point. Needs to be highlighted so it doesn’t happen again
I've done this when I was 16 I believe? years ago over the telephone line, I was screwing around with an old phone we got (which is gone now) but tinkering with old computers I used the phone line and i accidentally dialed 911, the mem button would call the last number. Either way 911 call center actually CALLED BACK 4 TIMES (I was nervous to pick up the first 3 times) and asked if i was okay, which I was. The fact they dropped the call and never called back is like what the actual fuck.
Why the hell is an elderly man who seems to need care himself in charge of taking care of a woman on hospice.
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because america doesn't care for social programs
The family should have helped. But if she was as hard to deal with as they said, they washed their hands of her . Henry snapped. So sad.
no one else was interested
@@NotYomama13 my mother being that kind of person that's all around rude, impatient, and treated us like crap all our lives, I can understand how Henry ended up at his wits end.
As a retired hospice nurse my question is where was her hospice team? Why didn’t the nurse or psych social intervene? This was preventable.
There is a team? Where?
The lady does say shes not leaving her home when the Officers mention the Social Worker is looking for a care facility for her. Maybe shes been fighting to stay in her home, and if so, why cant they facilitate visiting care?
Rural Americans don't get that.
@@karenmossbryan7932 Maybe the team tried to help. I am a hospice nurse. My hospice do 24hr crisis care, but we can not do this forever. Unless you have long term care insurance, you have e to pay out of pocket. We also will offer to place you in one of our units, to get 24 hour care. Now if you refuse to leave your home ,then there is nothing we can do. She has a right to stay in her home.
The police could have arrested him for threatening to kill her. He is a racist pos, but they thought he is old he wouldn't carry thru .I am glad we did not have one of our nurses, cna, Dr or Sw there are the time. He will get better care in prison sad 😔. It was a mess all around. He is on O2 she is bedridden of a certain size. How can she expect him to care for her? He is mean and abusive she is mouthy and needy. Meaning she is the type of person who wants you to hand them something, move this, give me that every 5min. Not a reason just saying this was a pulled Hand Grenade. Sorry.
Hospice team? My grandmother had a nurse come by once a week and left me with the rest of the responsibilities.
This is hard to watch. Her simple "please don't leave me" really hurts
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That was difficult to hear. This lady was so desperate. You could tell. Oof. This is the kind of stuff that makes you terrified of growing old. Who is really going to care about you if something happens to you out of your control. Love waxes cold way too often!
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I teared up she was so scared god bless her.
@@hifi4lyfe406folks still talking about dems and Repubs like we’re not already looking at two wings of the same diseased bird 🦅
“ your fine til I kill you” and “PLEASE DONT LEAVE” are the 2 words that should have been BIG RED FLAGS 🚩
9. 9 words.
@@JordonBeal7 words and 2 contractions if you wanna be specific
That’s not 2 words, those are statements bud, 2 statements.
But I get wy were trying to say, but that’s why there’s an edit button, no one else has to see your comment if you “Edit” and “Delete” the word “Words” and change it to “Statements” or just do away with the entire comment all together😂😂
But you are absolutely right about one thing, I definitely saw the same red flags you saw 🚩🚩🚩.
@@d-boogiewitdagoodies5849it's not that serious. Calm down
Whoever was in charge of leaving an 86 year old man in charge of an elderly woman with such intensive health needs, needs to be held accountable.
I was thinking the same damn thing at his age he can't take care of himself!
@@margaretcarter7242 dude was living with a portable oxygen machine thing and could barely walk outside yet was expected to take care of a hospice patient
whoever let that happen is what needs to be accounted for
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@@dharmahikes he also said he needed help, and that nobody did anything about it. Not defending what he did, but he was clearly asking for help, and probably had been for a long time
Amen you are right
You never ask a potential victim in front of the possible abuser if they feel safe. 101 cop stuff. Come on
Yeah it's like half of US police get no training other than "how to magdump 101".
Lmao tell me you know nothing about police without telling me 😂😂
He’s not an abuser he’s an old man who snapped because she was so demanding physically mentally and probably emotionally that not even 3 different nursing homes could handle keeping her and he reached his breaking point with taking care of her 24/7 while also being an elderly person needing care himself
He tried to get help before it reached that point, and they didn’t do enough and she was also refusing to go back to a home and was apparently too belligerent for 3 different homes. She was probably a horror to take care of . Her own son and law said she probably contributed to her own demise and I do not doubt that.
@@stysner4580 fun fact! Police funding goes mostly towards training!
Nothing is taken seriously until there's a body.
That’s the truest thing.
That's New Mexico for ya
Fk. No doubt. You said it all.
Unfortunately, that is the sad truth in this situation. People made sure they covered their own arses while this could have been avoided. 😢
Same with personal accountability as well.
My granny was on hospice care for stage 4 cancer. I broke down when this lady said, please don’t leave me. My granny in her final days asked me not to leave her. I stayed by her side until she passed.
My Granny did so much for the rest of the family, and never asked for anything. But while she was in hospice in the hospital she asked our small immediate family to stay with her until she was gone, and we all did.
I'd never experienced hospice before. It was so peaceful and relaxed. My Granny was ready to go and be with my Granda again, and she just quietly slipped away.
Sorry for your loss your story resonates with me I went through the same thing I didn’t think I would make it when my grandmother passed. Sorry for your loss and and may God bless your loving grandmothers soul she’s in heaven walking the gold paved walkways with God she’s at peace just like my grandma. God bless you
my granny had cancer too. grandpa took care of her durning the day. i gave him a break and slept with her at night. i had the night shift. it was hard work and very emotional. but in the end it was worth it. she didnt have to die in a hospital or hospice. so im gald she passed away peacefully in her bed like she wanted. me and papa made it happen.
Most people don’t want to stay with the dying.
@sarahm9723 My (40 f) husband (36 m) passed Apr. 20, 2024, after suffering major brain damage due to a lack of oxygen to the brain during a cardiac arrest. We took him off life support after 1 week, and he held on another week on hospice before finally passing peacefully. From the moment we took him off life support until 2 hours after he passed, I only left his side about 4x/day for less than 20 min each (once/day to go to a clinic 10 min away from the hospital that I have to go to daily for a controlled medication, and the other 3x/day to have a cigarette 🚬 and a private cry).
The entire 17 days he was in the hospital, in a coma, there was nowhere I'd rather be than right there by his side so he wasn't alone when he died. To say that MOST people don't want to stay with the dying is ignorant. The number of people who prefer hospice care proves that to be false. The whole point of hospice is to give the person dying as much pain relief as possible, as well as the opportunity for family to be with them and comfort them during those last days.
It was the best decision his family and I made.
He warned them and so did she...they seemed to both be begging for help. What a freaking tragedy.
Absolutely. I feel for both of them. I know his call at first seems disturbing but him saying to get her out of there was out of frustration and meaning she’s not appropriate to be taken care of at home and by him, get her somewhere she could be cared for. If she’s getting confused and combative I can only imagine how difficult that would be for him to manage her, let alone someone younger and in better physical/mental shape.
@@Eriamskitka-qg6gh I completely agree. It's so heartbreaking!!!
Heart wrenching… 😢💔
I work for the court system and I’ve seen so many elderly folks, raise, and care for their kids, only to be fully abandoned in old age. The kids only show up once the parents have passed, so that they can get the homes passed on to them.
@@Eriamskitka-qg6gh feeling for the man is unacceptable whats wrong with you
@@Warlin_Door Nothing is wrong with me unless not lacking empathy or understanding and in general not being an awful human being is wrong? I’m very aware that anyone can be put in this situation at any time because I’ve seen what being a full time care giver will do to anyone at any age. Sometimes having a little compassion and introspection can go a long way for human kind, you should try it.
"86 yearold caretaker" Social Workers need to be held liable.
Yep. My Dad had a fall at 86 yrs and was my Mums carer. After the fall neither could look after one another anymore. We did the right thing and put them both in a Nursing Home because they both needed 24 hr care.
Ever since I was a kid, I always hoped that I would live fast and die young. Now, at 49, I still feel that I’d rather be dead than live like that. Living just to be alive is stupid to me especially at 80 something. Like what’s the point.
@@SolorockinOne My mom is 91½ bedridden in a nursing home. My dad has been gone for almost 2 years and she doesn't want to live anymore. I really hope that I don't live that long.
@@SolorockinOneget done counseling that’s not a normal feeling…
@@SolorockinOne I agree just to be alive has no meaning. I think a lot of folks later in years still find a lot of meaning in life so it’s worth it to stick around. 😊
"Everyone wants to talk about something but nobody does anything" Is the realest thing ive heard in the longest time
I hear it all the time. Worked in social services for years with folks with different abilities and mental health concerns. The things some of my folks lived through are just unreal. I'm appalled they left after he straight up told them he would kill her and she begged them not to go, I'm unfortunately not surprised though. I get they have a job and can't just hang out but it's just not ok not in anyway
Reminds me of all the keyboard warriors on social media.
Not saying you specifically but the same people saying that are the same ones doing it
@@sarahbeaulieu999 I just watched a video of a cop breaking into a man's house and shooting him dead after telling him " this is our town" they do what they want because they are a bunch of thugs protected by qualified immunity
Amen 🙏
Oh man this poor woman. The fact that she’s being referred to as a burden, how her pleas were ignored, the lack of support. She and the family were massively failed
and the careless display the police officer put on. jesus christ, i'm like half way in.
SOME COP ARE NOT VERY CARING!
I guess" in sickness and in health" don't mean anything. He will have a higher authority than the police to answer to.
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Ya but this guy was suffering too being awake 4 days at 86 to take care of basically a newborn. They was both suffering let’s not forget that just because 1 is a dude
She has been kicked out of multiple facilities. Poor woman my ass. She must have been a real monster. It doesn't justify the crime but I bet the dude has been brought to his limit.
It is absolutely insane that she was removed from MULTIPLE care homes for her behaviour and they thought the safe option was to have an 86 yr old man be her 24/7 carer.
an 86 yr old man with a temper and multiple guns
It should’ve red flags when he said he was frustrated with him saying he has weapons..
Caregiver!
You clearly have no clue about the real world outside the bubble of your coddled existence.
@@yogogoyogirlyogogoyoyep that simple she didn’t play any role I’m sure this paints a complete picture, man bad man angry. Completely discount all of his emotions he didn’t take care good enough, I’m positive he was the only problem! He was so happy not distraught, he never asked for help, nailed it! Life is so simple!
I'm a hospice nurse. This is more common than you think. Taking care of another sick and dying human is VERY stressful and exhausting. He may have called 911 because the hospice agency wasn't finding placement for her fast enough and he snapped. The whole system failed both of them.
Well put
I cared for my elderly mother and it’s extremely stressful.
I was the only one that stepped up in my family. How could you desert someone that bore and raised you like a princess. 💔
Agreed
My gosh. You're so right. Nobody cares. People need to be checked regularly and placed in better places. Horrible. Society is so I acknowledging.
She had been in several different places and she was too demanding and that's why she was at home on hospice care. He said this when the first officer in the morning was talking to him.
He said he was gonna kill her 3 times, on body camera. The cop called her a burden while talking to her husband. I feel so badly for her..she was begging them not to leave 💔
Yes, and he was hinting as well to the police too this us why he's been let off he wasn't in a fit minded to look after anyone his age to much no sleep he snapped 😳 jus5 like that man told the police he's been putting up with her big mouth abuse at that old man he can only do not enough for her eyes so demanding he should of just walked out abd told someone I can't do this anymore
“Called her a burden?” Oh come on he’s just egging the guy on at that point
That made me so angry when he called her a burden. Sickening.
This hits close to home, thanks for pointing this out so I can skip it. My heart breaks for our abused elderly.
@@JulieIelasi-lt7yp what are you talking about ? Are you defending the killer ? What’s wrong with you, she’s an old lady in hospice he should’ve reached out for help ya but that’s not an excuse to kill anyone. Yea It’s not easy but he was just a big baby about it and had a temper tantrum that led to this tragic situation
My dad was bed bound I took care of him for 10 years till he passed away. If that woman was standing up and telling the officers the same thing they would have listened and helped her. I noticed my dad was invisible when he spoke, professionals just laughed over him or didn't reply, but they would always reply to me, protect your loved ones who are vulnerable, trust me, no one else will
You just answered a big question for me.
The neglect of our elderly in this country is horrible.
Nothing compared to south korea, go look at the suicide rates
This sadly happens in all countries.
Capitalism.
@@NoahsGameCave lol yea totally. those communist healthcare systems are untouchable! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well they raised the future generations so you could argue that they failed
The fact that he said he was gonna kill her numerous times IN FRONT OF THEM and they didn’t do SHIT is CRAZYYYYYY.
I guess you just have to be old and decrepit to get away with shit like that. Not to mention they RELEASED the dude after charging him with murder. I didn’t realize being old is a get outta jail free card. Literally and figuratively lol
what are they supposed to do. people make viel threats all the time. it doesn't reach the level of a crime. they can't arrest him and they can't force her to leave. it's an impossible situation. she wasn't scarred enough to want to leave and he wasn't violent enough to arrest. the police can only do so much.
Not really.
He was laughing when he said it. Myself in that situation would not of believed him either
If you’re in front of a police officer, and you’re annoyed with your friend and you jokingly say you’re gonna kill them, do you want them to arrest you or smth?
Rule #1: SEPARATE THE PARTIES AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS!!
AMEN
Common sense right!?!
FOR REAL
Ikr
I know right?!? I was thinking the same!
I used to work in elderly care and, I know it's extremely difficult but if you're an adult and your parents are in this shape, you either HAVE to get them in-home care, bring them to a 24/7 facility, or watch them yourselves. I think people need to talk about it more, there is an end to life for everyone, and just like babies need care, elderly need care.
As an acquaintance said (he's a nurse): the problem with elderly people is that they do not release the happy hormones babies do so that adults attach to them and take care of them. Elderly people have none of that biological charm so to speak. If on top of that, an elderly person is a complete POS, no matter what even their children or paid workers will eventually abandon them. And you can't really blame them.
What this video is Really about is that our Fed Govt Does NOT Give A $hit about its Senior Citizens. As a 74 year old American, I can tell you that Social Services for Seniors has been drying up quickly across the nation. But the people in Washington DC think that the people of Ukr@ine & Isr@el are more important than Needy American citizens. What a waste of Police resources for Cops to need to babysit Senior Citizens this way. But the truth is that social services are stretched so thin that the Cops have nowhere to turn. Whatta bitter pill it is for us Baby Boomers to swallow. In the 1950's, they told us that the American Dream was limitless. Now in our old age, we can see Whatta Hoax the American Dream was from Day #1.
@@BassForever44 a hospice worker will say that, since he's dealing with strangers.
When i took care of my ma i never wanted her to feel like a burden. She was a difficult woman, and made ME feel like a burden.
The work she needed being bedridden wasn't nearly as hard as with my infant daughter.
Sure it was work, but nothing matches the cries and constant attention you have to give an infant.
@@henrikpersson5420I understand where they are coming from, albeit was said a bit harsh. I’m caring for my elderly grandmother. She’s still able-bodied, but homebound and needs help with everyday tasks. She’s def not all sunshine and giggles, but I do enjoy our good times together. With the elderly, they have opinions and attitudes children have not yet developed. At the end of your life there is none of the excitement of reaching milestones. Instead, your body is failing and your final mark is a tombstone. Elderly can be straight up mean and that can feel cute at first, but it really starts to hurt. I love my grandmother so much and I’m happy I am able to assist her. I definitely find myself smiling more around children though.
I was a CNA for 15 years. Carer burn out is so real. Who ever thought to leave an 86 year old man with health issues needs a new job. They were BOTH asking for help! How could they not realize that?
Exactly
It’s tricky because she still had the capacity to make an informed decision for herself. She didn’t want to leave her home. Forcing her from her home would be kidnapping. People are allowed to make bad choices. However, having said all that, the repeated threats he made of killing her, whether or not perceived as a joke, should have initiated immediate action. First, you speak to them alone. Then you separate them and work towards getting her increased home care.
People that can't help themselves and others seeing them as a just burden is absolutely a crime against humanity
Amen!
@@rachelreeb695 well if she wouldve had the decency to respect the only person left willing to take care of her this never wouldve happened, she made herself a an even worse burden than her disability with her mouth and rudness, not even her own son in law sounds like he cares that he jsut heard he get shot and killed over the phone, most people would be in shambles. i dont understand how someone who cant live without the help of others becomes rude to their caretaker, i would feel horrible to even have someone forced to wipe my ass left alone deal with constant hate bombardment at the age of 86. also trying to act like disabilities arent burdens is some next level stupid, you make situations worse when you try to ignore the elephant in the room, people who are disabled know how much of burden they can be, which is why kindness to the ones helping you out of their own good will is a must
The elderly man warned you twice to say he is going to kill her and police decided to take it lightly.
It was ridiculous. Those officers are incompetent
She was trying to get the officers to move in close to her so she could whisper to them without him hearing. They should have separated them to talk to each of them. She tried so many times. The dispatcher caught it and hopefully informed the officers of it. It was a total failure after her call.
Blows my mind how much they just waved him off. That’s not funny at all. Especially considering how he’s saying he’s fed up and tired/can’t handle this. So horrible. They both needed help and these officers failed.
I absolutely hate when people baby-talk to elderly people and take everything they say as a joke, like it's funny to threaten murder. Like, that's a fully grown adult, not a five-year-old.
@@SaintShion fr, that should be an insta red flag that he blatantly threatened killing her MULTIPLE times. I mean you can clearly see how pissed off this dude is from having to care for her 24/7. And from this encounter it probably seemed like nothing would really change for him. I know it’s easier to say this shit when you aren’t the one in the situation, but I feel like the officers could’ve read this a little better. The context surrounding his “joking” threats is a serious and angry man who is fed up with the person he’s supposed to care for. Definitely should imply that his threats should be taken pretty seriously.
Them talking about guns and her BEGGING for them to not leave her is absolutely disheartening
Yeah that was crazy! The guy was obviously passive aggressive in some way talking about “you’re fine until I kill you” wtf?
@@Str8Gass exactly while staring at her
Well she's also saying that she doesn't want to leave. She can't have it both ways.
@@erbodyluvschocexactly. From what it sounds like she was very demanding and picky. He was an old man himself. He shouldn't have ever been forced to care for her on his own. It's no excuse to kill her but she should've had professional care or been taken to a nursing home or something. I don't condone him killing her, but i feel bad for what he had to go through in day to day life while he was just trying to survive the end of his life himself. Their family, and public services failed them both. It could have been prevented. He could have found a better way to say "leave me the F alone" though.
It's ironic because the only conservatives I've met who are passionately for gun control are cops. Because they see what guns do every day. Clearly this guy wasn't one of them.
I am a senior myself. This video scares me so much. Senior citizens have a hard time getting the assistance we need. I pray that not only family but our government will help us in this important time of our lives. We are gifted with life and we deserve to age with grace and peace. Please don't throw us away or ignore our needs. ♥️🙏♥️
❤❤❤🫶🏻
Amen ❤️ I hope we have a Democrat in office, or every social program meant to help the elderly will be gone.
The fact she said “he has threatened to do that” and they brush it off. That was insane. They need to be laid off as police officers
Fr that shit pissed me off
Okay captain hindsight.
No, they had dealt with this couple a hundred times. And he was joking at the time elderly people often have mental degradation. It's not the cops fault it's more the family's fault for now helping out more.
God bless you! Jesus saves sinners!!!
Most of the time women aren’t listened to, especially old women. The cops identified and listened to the man from the start, much like mechanics, realtors, doctors and well, cops. It’s nothing new and is slowly changing. But these cops were only concerned about the man in this situation, not the victim literally begging for help
the cop calling her a burden in front of her was kinda fucked up I wont lie
They’re both at fault bro. Both old and bitter. Move on
I agree. As someone with many chronic illnesses, I have 100% felt like a burden and even tried to self-delete. Being called a burden, and knowing there is literally nothing I can do and feeling like one, would just, ugh. People need to THINK before they speak.
It just made me think of becoming old and it’s such a deep feeling. I feel for everyone that is in this position. I remember when my ex gfs grandmother was on her deathbed. We were able to come into the room one last time and say our farewells. I told her that we loved her and she smiled at me. My ex gf didn’t have much to say but I spoke for her that day.
He called the police originally asking for help, literally asking them to take her out of his care cause he couldn’t handle it and they just left him and her distraught when obviously this should have been a hospital transfer or call into hospice to come ASAP before they left.
She is a burden though, have you ever had the burden of taking care of someone like that? Its a genuine burden.
Both HE and SHE told the officers what might happen. They BOTH asked for help. He couldn’t take her anymore making that clear and she didn’t want them to leave . How ironic they were talking about guns. MIND BLOWING
They did not take either him nor her seriously. How can you not feel at ease after this visit. I’m not even in law enforcement. Any person with a brain and a conscience would never have left that house. I have learned to go with your 1st mind.
You’re right. Rip June 😢 Henry is not god only god could’ve taken junes life away. God bless these two lost souls
Cops are borderline worthless at this point
You did not have to say mind blowing LOL
right! the cops should have stayed there and become hospice nurses.
Sounds like the officers didn't care what so ever just by them saying " you've taken on a huge burden " right in front of the hospice patient
Why can't no one understand she was a burden...he was 86 years old and dealing with her 24/7 care, as a sick very old man
@@Misscnyp I know but that's not something you say to someone who's threatening to kill someone that only makes them more incline to kill the person
He was “joking” about killing her too many times for the police to just leave like that smh
once? lol
@@NotYomama13 Definitely said it more than 1x
But if she knew it's not a joke, why did she refused to be taken away from there? Why would she insist staying with a man she thinks is going to kill her?
....and arrest him for what? There is no prosecutor anywhere that would have taken a case, under those circumstances. My wife has been saying shes going to kill me for decades😂
@@BlueSkyUp_EU She said it in the video. It was her home too. Everything she had and owned was there. She didn't want to be forced to leave when she felt she had a right to be there. I would think that's a feeling we all could understand. She also may not have fully believed he would go through with it. She said he had threatened her life repeatedly before, but since she was still alive at the time, she may not have fully believed he would this time. Unfortunately, he actually followed up on his words. Personally, when someone feels confident enough to "joke" with the cops/EMS about killing someone, they are most likely no longer joking and it's time to take the situation _very_ seriously.
It’s strange to me that an elderly person with health problems would be left to care for another elderly person with health problems. Why were they left to fend for themselves?
Because the system is broken and because the majority of society doesn't value, or even like, the elderly.
Unless you have family with pretty deep pockets you're screwed
Most people would rather die at home with their family than in a home with strangers.
No one cares. No money.
Because it's the United States
it broke my heart when she asked "are you a man's man, or a woman's man." and the answer was "I don't know what that means" I knew, and I knew with her at that very moment there was no help for her.
@@ZoraXire so essentially she was asking if he’s on the side of the man or on her side? Because that makes this so sad
@ZoraXire it is very heartbreaking. However much easier to have this point of view with all of the evidence before you. I imagine the training for a situation such as this in most police departments across the country is scarce at best. On the outside looking in, I would say a lot more could have been done by the people that cared about the two of those individuals. Family, friends etc. It seems as though they were abandoned by everyone.
She literally just called him gay because he "took the side of the man"
That'd break my heart because of the underlying homophobia, they'd be "on his side" if they had put her in an ambulance and out the house, they literally were on no one's side, and THAT was the problem
@Tome13Eclipse why are you forcing sexuality into this she was asking who's side they where on because they where being all buddy buddy with her soon to be killer
@@Dadbeard89 I'm not forcing sh!t on anything, that's literally what she said and what she meant
They were not doing buddy with anyone, just trynna get out being akward asf so they wouldn't have to do their job, average cop stuff
Man watching her beg him not to leave was heartbreaking
I worked in Geriatric and Palliative care for over 20yrs. This was preventable. The system failed them both.
CMS affords hospice patients and their families something known as “reprieve” where you can admit the hospice patient into the hospital for a week or longer so the family can get time to rest. The problem here is the hospice patient is still alert and oriented enough, she’s refusing to go elsewhere. You can’t force her to leave.
@@michaelscott33 some states and areas dont do or have reprieve programs.
@@michaelscott33 Must cost a fortune if it isn't mostly covered by insurance, yeah?
@@michaelscott33 The social worker can indeed make the necessary phone calls to have her admitted, against her wishes, into a care facility. She failed at her job, miserably. My grandmother was on hospice at home and was an absolute nightmare to deal with. Thankfully we all took turns staying with her and my grandfather so he didn’t have to care for her alone. After a month, we had all had enough and had her placed in a lovely hospice care facility where she was well cared for and died peacefully. I hate to think of the toll it would have taken on my grandfather had we not been there 24/7.
@@michaelscott33respite care has a loooong waitlist. My dad was on hospice last year before he died. Hospice isn’t like it once was. It has cut back on how hands on they are now.
The amount of time he mentioned killing her, and was met with chuckles… this is so sad.
Because “defenders” I guess
She didn’t even take him seriously.
“I’m not going anywhere!” are not the words of someone who is afraid the person they live with will kill them. She was maybe afraid that he would be mean, or ignore her, but she was NOT scared for her safety. She would have been willing to be taken elsewhere if she was genuinely afraid
The man was begging the police to take her away and the original call “he made” was so that she could be safe, he even said take her or stay there with him, they refused to listen to him, if it wasn’t Agun , it would’ve been Aknife. He tried to get help but in his words, “wonderful, everybody talks, but no one actually does anything.” This is not a situation where it’s one person’s issue of handling it was everyone. if you listen to the things, he saying this wasn’t the first time he’s called to try to get her to leave and she’s obviously either been kicked out of nursing homes or walked out against medical advice.
"Oh he's just joking, nagging about the old ball and chain"... Probably what they thought. And I might've thought the same if it wasn't for all the other obvious signs. It really baffles me how nothing was done here.
@@Callidus7SSM That's not true at all. She's living with an abusive partner, first of all, the psychology of that alone is more complicated. And to add to that, plenty of elderly people simply shuffle off the mortal coil rather than enter nursing homes (more common in men than women, but happens to both)--sometimes they've lived 30+ years with next to no change to their lives and change is genuinely more scary than the alternative
There's a reason many people eventually get taken in against their will, especially at her age
She hit it on the nose: “are you a man’s man or a woman’s man?” Cops were getting too chummy with the man. Everything she asked for, they brushed off.
They do that a lot.
IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS THIS POLICE FAULT. WHOEVER THIS SOCIAL WORKER IS HAS HER BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. PERIOD.
@@joemama2455Henry told the Police “I’m gonna kill her.!” 9.56 into the video, the police laughed and said don’t say that! Maybe also check out what Henry said to the police 6.29 minutes into the video! This makes my blood boil, she was asking for help and never should have been left with Henry.
They were acting chummy in hopes he’d feel comfortable with them so they could gain information such as what kind of guns he has and how many and how trained he is in firearms. Outside of EMS reaching out to a social worker to find her other placement there prob wasn’t much that could be done. It’s a very unfortunate situation but it’s important to remember that he alone is responsible for his actions.
They always do that. And yes, they are partly to blame. When he told them "you didn't do anything to help me" it was true.
They completely ignored the situation and the obvious signs that something bad could happen
He said I have a gun. Cop says how nice they are.
That initial visit was such an obvious cry for help from both of them. They both had been pushed to their limits and were actively ignored by everyone. The fact that something so preventable happened at all is disgusting.
But neither is accepting help.
They refused help. She didn't want to leave.
@@amandahutton8459 and the victim blaming with no actual understanding of the situation starts
@@liddytheweeb I'm not victim blaming. Ever hear the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it?" How many times did the officer suggest help and she flat out refused. Would you like the officer to drag her out of her house?
@liddytheweeb not victim blaming, neither of them accepted the help offered. Even on hospice, people are still cognitive of what is going on. If he couldn't have taken care of her, she needed to go to a hospice center. He needs to go for detox. It's twofold. They tried, but she didn't want to go, two tired elderly people. The cops can't force someone to leave, frustrations boil over and he went to far again while drunk.
"You're fine until i kill you". Police proceeds to leave the scene.
The words of a man who could tell he was losing control. He was trying to warn the cops more than the woman was
@@benguensche and because those cowardly cops weren't willing or wanting to actually do anything now you got a dead crazy lady and a crazy man who snapped.
The cops should be fired for this.
They did ask if she wanted to be relocated.
For real. They failed her. They also failed alot of kids. New Mexico sucks! Child and adult care sucks in general. Smh.
@@samanthaj7840 of course not. She's ill and tired. She wanted them to take him away.
The man literally said to the poice officer "I've got guns loaded and ready to go." And THAT wasn't a red flag?!
No, not really from that generation from a smaller town. That's like 80-90 percent of older folks in small town Montana or Idaho. Nothing about that statement is illegal so I'm not sure what you'd like them to do. The only thing these officers could have done is question them separately. We have the privilege of hindsight. This was a tragedy and the old man is responsible for his actions. Not the officers.
@@ryanfrank1309Exactly
I mean I could arm an army... so what?
Well he's white sooo...
And not only that he said he was going to kill her twice LOL that's definite terroristic threat that's a charge
The system fails again.
“Please don’t leave” I hope that haunts them forever
Haha ok
I agree
It won't. She should have been in a nursing facility but she REFUSED. She made this poor man have to put up with her and he couldn't take it. I feel sorry for the man not her
@@jaynet5756girl why u so pressed
@@jaynet5756 I feel bad feel the old man too.
This is absolutely infuriating
Agreed 1000%
I agree more should have been done. But I don't blame these officers either. They can only do so much. Hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment most of these things can like bad jokes, and a couple having arguments. But yes they should have taken her more serious when she started to scream for help.
I don't blame the officers but they certainly could have done a better job of speaking to her on her own... Although I'm not sure what would have come from that unless she had clear information of threats from him and was willing to be taken out the house.
You can't blame her for not wanting to leave home but it's also unfair to expect to stay home despite not being in good health and her husband not being in good health.
Should they have removed her from home against her will? I'm not sure but it's quite challenging and seems like only so much they can do. It would be interesting to k ow how much social worker was involved but again can they remove her against her will if she doesn't want to leave?
Eeeek, I'm only at the point where the officers are leaving
@@cdouglas8393 Yeah I agree. How social workers or even medical centers allowed or considered that leaving a 82 year old on hospice in the hands of an 86 year old who needs an oxygen tank to get around was an acceptable condition is honestly what pisses me off the most. That's not even taking into account that there might be more going on with this man than we know. His confusion and anger might be symptoms of something we can't see because we're only getting a view from the body cam of the officers. I've seen what dementia can do to a person first hand and this is very similar to my own experiences. Not exactly the same but very close.
Blame the cops. He said he was going to kill her. That's nothing to take lightly. They didn't do their job.
As a doctor, this was preventable. Where was her hospice team? Who signed off on him being her caregiver. We KNOW how hard it is to be a young, healthy caregiver. Let alone be someone who needs care themself.
where you then? you got blood on your hands again.
@@HappyYummmy What?
@@HappyYummmy why are you trying to pick a fight with this random person?
Absolutely! Also, the stress and frustration from the burden cause stress hormone cortisol to be constantly present in the body, which can eventually alter the brain. The law doesn't consider the possibility that some health conditions can cause mental issues where, if medically corrected, it could turn them into a completely different person.
@@HappyYummmy Can you try to put a sentence together? At least one that makes a bit of sense.
“You want to sit here, make sure I don’t kill her?!” That should’ve been a clue bro🤦🏻♀️
“Please don’t leave” broke my heart
She got what she wanted she seemed annoying clearly can see that when the cops was there asking for so much stuff
She still didn’t deserve that..😭 wtf
@@madelinegarcia2736 Yeah wtf put this nolimittfredp24 dude on watch list too while you're at it. some fuked up thought processes
@Nolimitfredo24 She got what she wanted? What a kind, compassionate person you must be. It must be an absolute delight to be around you.
@@tinaarko6625 She obviously didn't want to die, but she refused to leave the house and go into hospice care where she needed to be. She had every opportunity to leave that house and be safe if she felt she was in danger. But she selfishly wanted to put the burden of care onto Henry who wasn't equipped to deal with that. He shouldn't have done what he did but he was obviously tipped to the boiling point of his capacity to handle it anymore. Apparently she had been kicked out of homes because she was so hard to deal with.
i cant even fathom the distress that poor woman probably felt while talking to the cops
She wasn't distressed enough to agree to let the cops take her out of the house .
The 86 year old care giver wanted her out. He should've said something.
@@Andy-O374why should she leave her own house? He had POA, so he could have sold the house from under her.
Perhaps she should have been more straightforward in communicating that.
I understand being secretive on the phone...but they are there...now.
@@Pinki_315he did. She did. What are they going to do at a moment's notice? It happened same day.
If she's on hospice, where is the hospice nurse?
My thoughts too… I am a nurse, and I am trying to figure out what nurse is coming into her home to do the assessments that they do on a weekly basis and not see that this is a very unsafe situation, and begin the process of removal of her in that home to someplace safe? I feel like whatever hospice this is, should be pursued in a lawsuit and whatever nurse this is, should also be pursued in a civil case.
He's getting paid through the state to be her caregiver.
maybe the boy is the hospice nurse
Home hospice usually shows up 1-2 times per week depending on insurance and costs. Be realistic.
@@whosaidthat9265 no, hospice is FREE when u qualify
Calling her a burden with her in the room broke my heart. This poor woman was clearly petrified and must have felt so alone. Carer burnout is one of the most devastatingly tragic things.
She’s been in nursing homes and got kicked out because she gets mean. He’s OLD worn out and in bad shape himself. He shouldn’t be expected to wait on her or take care of her in his condition, yet he is. The EMS should’ve transported her to the hospital till adult protective services placed her. She’s refusing to go to a safe place herself. What a sad vicious cycle. Both old people are sick and need help. His drinking is about the worst thing he could’ve done.
I’ve personally SEEN this happen to some people in my life. It’s a no win, never will get better situation. Our society and system doesn’t look after the elderly.
This! People in the comment section are basing their reaction off of what happened in the latter part of the video but the first part was very telling. You are spot on. Hospitalization would’ve been the best option to separate them for a short time. Giving both of them a break from each other. This story is truly heartbreaking. Prayers and peace to everyone involved 😔
She should've been taken out of there. What a sad, horrible situation.
No one should be put to death like this woman was. She might of been demanding and set in her ways, but NOT sentenced to death over it.
This, exactly!
@@gabrielwatson7721 no one said that. We are saying there should have been more help before it got to this.
“Are you a man’s man or a woman’s man?” She knew that they weren’t taking her seriously about her not feeling safe …. RIP 🙏
This, for real!
Seriously
what that mean
Man I feel sorry for the guy that woman seemed like she wanted everything done right away
@@meetdamaka She was a bully
Sole carer burn-out is VERY real and can have tragic results if not taken seriously. The pair should have been separated and home care professionals bought in to assist in caring for June until an appropriate facility could be located for her.
This is so accurate. It is exhausting to care for a person with severe illness. To do it alone is almost impossible to imagine! This was elder abuse X 2!
Yeah thats hard, it definately gets to a point where even though she doesnt WANT to go, she needs to for her own health. Thats a really hard one to sort out for social workers im sure.
Exactly.
I was my moms caregiver for many months. I have systemic lupus and MS it was the hardest thing I ever did. My dad was a disabled vet so couldn't help. He made too much for free Medicare caregiver but not enough to afford one. Caregivers are $60-$150/hour. Way too much for most even middle class to afford. I was her only caregiver. But I made sure she was well cared for. The last few weeks my body gave out but thankfully my brother came from out of state to help. I would have never let my mom suffer. I can definitely understand why she needed help. No way could he do this on his own. Wish Medicare could offer free caregivers. Even if only part time. Even just enough to let the main caregiver rest. My mom passed last august. Miss her so much. My health is really bad now. It took everything I had to care for her. Hardest job in the world. I had also had a severe car wreck so many month before. Broke all ribs on my left side, compression spinal fracture, lower spine fracture, internal bleeding, and others. When I cared for my mom I was wearing my back brace but it really messed up my compression fracture. Everyone needs to prepare for their end of life. Please put money to the side or you'll be left without help or in this situation.
That doesn't give you the right to kill someone!!
Would you say this if it was a mother tired of her kids??
Bro immediately said the hard r🗿
dude said it for no reason too
Which makes you wonder how often he says it to bring it up casually like that. Same with talking about killing her@@coolguy-wx6qv
He said it because he believes the officers share the same beliefs as himself which is why he was comfortable saying it for no reason.. It’s not uncommon for racist people to view the police as “good ol boys” like themselves. I mean they watch the news and see certain police shootings that make them have this belief.
Henry: "I'm gonna kill her."
Officers: "OK. Just give us a call."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@migomigo2595 i haven't seen such incompetence since the year thirteen twelve.
@@jesipohl6717 LMFAOOOO
@truck.-kun. if they even become officers it means they passed a state approved test that proved they have already dehumanized everyone thats not a rich european loyalist...
Male cops ☕
I’m disgusted and upset to know this woman felt fear, and the cops ignored her. They completely disrespected and disregarded her.
Disrespected and disregarded- both of those words are so spot on. I could feel her frustration when she asked “are you a man’s man or a woman’s man?” “Aren’t you going to shake my hand?” He called her a burden right in front of her. He had no intention of helping this poor woman.
They offered to take her. They cant live there ffs. It was her choice to stay which meant she expected the man to do everything for her all day who was clearly struggling mentally. Cop couldnt of done anything. Where are her family you should be asking. Doesnt she have kids who should be there to help her during the end of her life. She clearly wasnt going to live long.
@@SlaveLikeTheRestOfUs no they didn’t offer to take her
@@pd9935they did, she refused to leave her home
@@trouty7947 no, they didn't. they said erica, the woman's social worker, was trying to find a facility for juneanne to go, but juneanne said she didn't want to go because it was her home. the police left, telling henry that erica said to call her back when he's less mad
the guy litterally called for police to avoid what he was going to do, told them to his face what he was gonna do and they didnt do shit abou it
ppl in the comments are saying that they couldn’t have done anything, they could have removed him from the residence. they could have asked them about details, asked each of them about what was occurring, but they didnt.
Adult Protective Services was also at the house the same day
The female called police
@@shimmer8289 the elderly man had called too.
She refused to leave the home (which I don’t blame her for) but there weren’t any other options available to her. She wanted free 24 hr home health but that doesn’t exist. I feel bad for both of them.
As a CNA, this hurts me so much. Hospice patients deserve the best care before death.
He flat out said he was going to kill her in front of police so why in the hell did you not separate them? Shame on those first guys!!!!
Twice! Two separate times and then even clarified what he said the second time. So did she.
Again, he was smiling and laughing it off. And by saying it the second time, could also be a sign okay...it's a joke. Cops aren't fortune tellers.
@@nikkithruthelookingglass183 he said it more then that in relations to doing so and the lady not being on the same terms he was on at all times she was talking during the video was clear sign something was wrong. I mean even saying "guns are ready to go" was weird in it self but the cop didn't take it as anything since he liked guns himself so he decided to make his relation to it.
I think he said that pretty glibly. I don’t think the Officers even really heard it clearly. Henry was quite clearly at the end of his tether and as a result he flipped and the gun just happened to be there and loaded. It’s a sad case all round
he said that twice along with her saying “please dont leave me” as well. this is on the cops
She asked for a card and the officer had the nerve to act like he was irritated. As a young man who’s paralyzed and has a caretaker myself this is extremely concerning to me these officers didn’t care about her at all. Also shame on her social worker, this man was on oxygen and had no business having to take care of her all alone.
I hope you always get the respect an care you need honey. ❤god bless you
She refused to go into a home and was kicked out of 3 of them already
@@zackshafto3040 they can always have nurses to come out and help
@@jj-ix9vb they clearly got in contact with her healthcare workers it’s why she was offered into a home and refused what more can they do
You only hear what you want to hear. They offered help, but she didn't want to take the help. Didn't you listen what the last guy had to say. Just because someone is disabled or sick it doesn't mean that the world revolves around them.
“A huge responsibility and a huge burden” the way the cop says it and the way she looks at him is so sad.
Coming from the person that was supposed serve and protect her smh. He says this while she’s begging for help how disgusting.
Yeah, he really shouldn't have said that in front of her
That part broke my heart! Saying that infront of her like she’s invisible 😭💔
And saying it to her own husband who she most likely spent her whole life taking care of until she was on her deathbed
@Tybby22 the courts ruled that the purpose of police is not to serve and protect the people. The government in this country is getting more and more authoritarian
When a woman is taking care of her dying husband, and isn’t a good caretaker, we blame her. When a man is taking care of his dying wife, and isn’t a good caretaker, we feel sorry for him.
Spotted on.
not really
They did not treat her like they should have . She was treated like a joke
Well that's how they feel about homeless, disabled and the mentally ill. Never expect to be treated with dignity or respect. They're literally throwing dying people out of the hospital onto the literal street.
@@1jazzyphae were nvr surprised idk how folk r still
At first I was gonna say yes, but they both got “treated like a joke” they were both crying out for help. Social worker needs to go to jail.
This whole situation is ridiculous. You've got an 86-year-old trying to be a 24/7 caretaker for a completely disabled old woman, a task that would be difficult for someone half his age, and the cops just abandon both of them with no follow-up.
Exactly.
I agree.They were abandoned.
Agreed i was 15 to 17 taking care of my great grandma along side of my grandma, 22 to 26 caring for my grandpa along side of my grandma. It was very hard but there was 2 of us. We got breaks when we needed to. This is nuts.
God bless you!!! Jesus saves sinners!!!
I’m 53 looking after my 90 y old bed ridden mom. But she’s sharp as a tack so it’s nothing like dealing with dementia or other mental issues
her begging them not to leave and giving them tasks to keep them there longer seriously breaks my heart. the signs was soooo clear especially with henry!! i wish they took action from the first visit, may juneanne rest in peace 💔💔💔
Why is she refusing to leave?
@@karmaroundi have no clue🤷🏽♀️ im thinking maybe the house was in their names so she had the right to stay or maybe she didn’t want to leave because she knew the issue wouldn’t be solved idk
@@mikylahstvv I "see" what you mean.
no wonder the policeman didn't take his words about killing seriously. He was a tired, senile man who had enough, they talked to them and the woman said several times that she didn't want to leave the house. When she was really afraid of her partner, she would like to be taken away. Many of us sometimes get fed up and say that we will kill someone without really intending to do so. When talking to older people, you don't take their words literally, especially when someone is angry and tired (this man said he hadn't slept for 4 nights). The police are not social services, this woman should be in a nursing home and the police are not there to deal with this.
@@nemix5284 i get what your saying but still in a situation like this the police was supposed to talk to them separately & didn’t. maybe if they did this and understood the true fear she had, social services could’ve got involved more quickly. he was a tired old man that got to his end but it didn’t have to go as far as him killing her.
My great grandma had an “acid tongue” sometimes right before she died it took a major toll on my great grandfather, but my aunts, grandma, and uncles were always there helping because it would cost $3,000 a month for a nursing home. He had absolutely no help and her family didn’t help either. This is an absolutely sad and tragic situation and case that was completely and totally preventable
THEY DIDN'T ONCE CALL HER BY HER NAME but called him by his name EVERY time. WTAF
and in additional if this was not enough: Its a pitty to let humor rule such a case from the beginning:
Oh, JUST two old people, what should we do? and oh, he told her to kill her in front of the...... P O L I C E....how funny! I dont know what humor has to do within the work of police especially A F T E R a 911 call.... I mean they didnt met on the streets in their free time!
it's very frustrating, it's very frustrating,
are you talking about when the cops were there and she was still alive? Honestly Henry did all of the talking and she really didn't really talk all to much. But she has also been referred to by name multiple times and people called henry by his name because people in general found him more likable then her.
Most bizarre things:
- grandpa looks and talks like Uncle Junior from "The Sopranos"
- cop compliments Uncle Junes guns
- cop says that he likes gun people
- Uncle Junior threatening to kill her in front of the cops
- the women talking about "macho macho" and "do you enjoy men?"
- the insane ramblings of Uncle Junior after everything that happened
As a retired nurse I understand some things other folks may have missed. She had been in several facilities previously. The gentleman was exhausted, frustrated. She expresses fear yet refuses to leave. I do not understand why her Hospice providers were not called. There might have been a different outcome if "Respite Care" had been offered. Respite care is a temporary solution providing a few days rest and change of scenery which is vital to an individual 24 hour 7 day a week caregiver.
I do wonder where her family was.....
Some areas do not have respite or long term care is far away. Some families do not keep in touch for various reasons eg abuse in the past. JuneAnn wasn't the easiest person to reason with, and maybe the social worker tried everything to convince her to accept help again. Very tragic.
@sphinxkat I have known cases where "clients/residents/patients " were requested to leave a facility with the explanation "not able to meet their needs" being given. I have seen cases where one person was requested to leave 5 different nursing homes in one city.
Yeah like people are saying "oh the system failed her" but if they aren't allowed to forcibly remove her from the home and she refuses to leave, what can they do? If there's no relief available, what's to be done? Since she's known for getting mean, possibly her family cut contact with her.
Yeah, I don't think people realise that you have to be pretty damn abusive to get removed from multiple facilities for behavioural issues.
@@FrenkTheJoy they can hire a live-in aide to take care of her, or someone who stops by to help.
For the officer call this woman a burden in front of her is disgusting !
She quite literally is a burden.
@@auggiejones8313not the point. For an officer to say that in front of this woman is absolutely disgusting.
@@AM-ou6yq but he's not wrong
@@AM-ou6yq facts don’t care about your feelings, welcome to reality boy
@@auggiejones8313 I really hope you never have to be ones caretaker or be taken care of yourself, because I can’t imagine the way you would feel if you’re a referred to as burden regardless of if you “are one”
Angry grumpy old man making threats , guns all around the house, old lady begging officers not to leave and gives hints to police dispatch???? I literally blame the police officers and the police department this situation should have been taken way more seriously and more should’ve been done to prevent this from happening.
Angry and grumpy??? He's 86 fealing with a bed ridden, rude, demanding burden of a woman WHO HAD BEEN KICKED OUT OF MULTIPLE CARE HOMES
She didn't want to leave her home, wanted to remain a burden. I get why he did it.
@@Misscnyp he IS an angry old man. being frustrated doesn't excuse murder y'all are so weird for defending this. funny how you acknowledge how frustrating it was for him while she was the one bedridden and fearing for her life. there was no other choice but to demand things. of course it would be hard for the caregiver but you are oddly sympathetic towards a murderer. the system failed both, but don't act like he didn't make the choice to pull the trigger out of anger
@@catradorasprmanager7728 she should and could have gone into a home... just not one of the many homes that kicked her out for being intolerable
@@Misscnyp that's on them for giving up on a hospice patient. It's easy to call someone intolerable when you're not the one in pain everyday and close to death. no matter how demanding or annoying someone is it still doesn't excuse murder. they are both victims in this situation but it doesn't make what he did right
Why were they not interviewed separately? Especially since she was saying she doesn't feel safe. Common sense!
new mexico has the worst police in the united states
Exactly! I think anyone telling police that they "don't feel safe" should immediately make the police take this situation more seriously. Maybe take him somewhere else and have some qualified caregivers step in, even if temporarily. Nope, they just left...
Because joking about hurting or killing your wife is commonplace is "boys will be boys" type circles.
@GlassWindowGames this is embarrassing and a disgraceful bunch
@@mandapanda6233 ESPECIALLY since not only didn't she feel safe, but he made a direct death threat, to her face, in front of police, talked about his guns, and the police just shrugged it off as a joke. They must have seen how exhausted and at the end of his tether he was. At the least, they should have talked to the useless social workers on his behalf because he was in no fit state to explain to them, and they refused to speak to him when he was rude to them. That he was angry and lashing out should have made them even more concerned for Juneann's safety, and got her to a nursing home, despite her wishes. Patients wishes should be respected as much as possible, but it WASN'T possible for her to remain there and get the care she needed with only an extremely elderly man as her caregiver.
13:40 she's asking to be pulled up, she's sinking/sliding down the bed. The fact they can't see or realize what she's asking is just sad. How they speak in front of her breaks my heart.
It’s so hurtful seeing them disregard and disrespect her completely, they were acting as if she wasn’t even human
They wouldn’t even call her by her name but kept calling the guy by his :/
@@Spijen the fact they called her a burden too
So common.
3:41 shes not even laying in the bed properly. She needs to be lifted up the bed . And who is doing her bed baths and personal cares? I doubt that old man can do all that properly.
Ikr. I wish social services would have got at least a part time career for her. My goodness. Poor lady was in worse shape than my grandmother and she was in LTC.
i noticed that, the way she’s laying makes it so hard to do regular things. like drink and eat and just be comfortable, this poor woman :(
Its heartbreaking they just keep completely ignore her and treat her like shes stupid, they barely had a brain to help her with her bed. Im sure he had care fatigue but damn the cops should've noticed the shit he was saying, especially with the way they weren't smiling at all with each other, just cold stares.
What’s more frustrating is she asked to be placed sitting up!
This is so sad, stories like these really make you mature, i dread only to think of my parents in such a situation, no parent deserves such abandoment
Her "please don't leave" broke my heart. She also reminds me of my mom when she was dying of pancreatic cancer.
your mom had an acid tongue? lol
God bless you! Jesus saves sinners!!!
@@fatalfoamsis that supposed to be disrespectful,if it is it is not funny and it should have toiled u to be civil
@@fatalfoamsgo be disrespectful elsewhere.
You shouldn't relate those two... this woman definitely aided in what happened
So tragic. The cops that responded in the morning didn’t take Henry’s outright threat to kill her seriously and I’m sure it was because he’s elderly. Henry saying “you didn’t stop me!” Clearly shows he was serious about the threats he made against Juneanne and was looking for them to step in. Rip Juneanne 💔
I wouldnt say it was a "clearly" moment. As he backpeddled right after and claimed it to be a joke. Even said something along the lines of "please don't take it seriously" paraphrasing of course
It's not like she didn't live a full life
The reality is he didn't out right say he was going to kill her if they didn't get her out of there, so all of this is still on him. (That being said he was clearly at a breaking point. I don't think he was thinking rationally anymore.) But I do believe they should have separated Henry from Juneanne and THEN questioned her. I'm also confused as to why Juneanne didn't want to leave if she thought her life was at risk. I think she possibly wanted the cops to make Henry leave permanently, and assign someone to take care of her, but the reality is the police are limited in what they can do. And they cant just force Henry to leave his own property if he hasn't made a legitimate threat, or committed a crime.
I think the ultimate fault lies with whoever allowed all three parties to be in this situation together at all, rather than with Henry, Juneanne or the police.
@@lerm4676 Good point tbf she was at the end anyway
When she asked to shake the cops hand, and she started crying. Knowing that was the last touch of kind human compassion she would every have is utterly heartbreaking to think about 💔 My heart hurts for her. RIP
She knew she was going to die and they allowed it.
Who’s to say that she was the only victim here?
@@ThisMeansMyPS3sOut No one said that, but shes the one who lost her life, no?
She said a lot but NOBODY LISTENED TO HER💔
As a former hospice nurse, this whole situation turned my stomach. It never ever should have come to such a horrific conclusion. The hospice agency in charge of Juneanne's care totally dropped the ball on this and is guilty of negligence at a minimum. Their inaction led to Juneanne dying without the peace and dignity that the hospice agency was supposed to provide and also led to the total destruction of Henry's life. I feel nothing but sorrow and compassion for him.
I agree, everyone invovled from her, the careworker, hospice, cops, and even henry himself, knew he was in no position mentally or physically to be able to take care of her the ways he needed to be taken care of, let alone taking care of his own need, house and a pet.
lol the old guy cr4pped his pants
@@DeliberatelyBearded He can be blamed. He killed someone?
People can get stressed and not kill people.
imagine defending the man who put a gun to this defenseless woman and pulled the trigger. knowing full well he had power of attorney and could have put her in a nursing home.
Do anybody realise this man is almost 90, on oxygen etc? He should be in hospice care not in jail!!
The fact that she spent the last hours of her life not being taken seriously and being demeaned by men who were more interested in talking about firearms is heartbreaking
Just ignore all of them telling her she needs to get to a 24 hour facility and her denying it lol
@@KevD720 Dude. Do you know her financial situation? Do you know that elderly patients are abused in those facilities? Do you understand that she might have been scared? They were so obviously siding with the man here. And did you honestly believe that old man who wasn't right in the head was going to call the number police officers gave him? That lady was screaming for help and they ignored her. It was obvious misogyny. The police officers could have interrogated them separately but they didn't care enough to do so. Put your mom/grandma in this situation.
It was obvious misogyny. And i know i'm gonna be hated for this bc most ppl who watch this channel are men but idc. They did not listen to her bc she was an old woman and though she was just a crazy old lady.
@@undercover2333
"Dude. Do you know her financial situation? Do you know that elderly patients are abused in those facilities? Do you understand that she might have been scared?"
you don't pay attention and it shows.
she was removed from *multiple* nursing homes because of her behaviour, not because of her financial situation. the couple owned a home, numerous firearms, and had pretty good insurance... they had the money. she was adamant that she didn't want to leave, and it wasn't because she was scared... it was because her stuff was there. that's all.
the officers, case workers, and hospice workers told her *numerous* times that she needs to leave, especially if she feels unsafe... and she refused. she was stubborn.
even right up to the point where she was begging the police not to leave, they told her "we can't stay here all day, but we can make it so erica can come assist you" and she *still* said "no, i'm not leaving."
what were the cops supposed to do? arrest the guy on the spot because he made what can easily be perceived as a dark joke that literally *every* old couple makes? because they didn't do that, they're misogynist???
now none of this excuses at all what the man did, but you cannot simply cover your eyes and pretend that this women didn't do practically everything wrong when it came to helping herself/save her own life, and that it was all just misogyny from the police that caused her death.
Yeah, let's just ignore the multiple testimonies that she was a completely insufferable person to live with
ACTUALLY GOOD 911 OPERATOR. She asks the woman if she felt safe, and then pivoted to asking only yes or no questions just incase the angry guy was still in the room!!!!
But she didn’t call back
@@migomigo2595 call operators are extremely busy she was aware that police arrived at the residence from there it is no longer in her hands it’s entirely up to the cops from that point onwards.
Ahhh. You're being sarcastic. Nice.
That's their actual training
God bless you! Jesus saves sinners
This is so messed up. Good lord. They never should have been in that situation.
She just was asking to be pulled up. Feet not touching the foot board... come on. As a Healthcare worker this video breaks my heart.
Thank you! I was actually saying that as I watched. I took care of both my parents suffering from Alzheimer's. My father became bedridden. I'd have to adjust him in the bed often. It was obvious when I watched that she needed to be adjusted. I can't imagine how someone couldn't see it. It was breaking my heart watching this.
I feel the same way. Her poor feet were all pushed up on the end.
imo fire dept massively screwed up on this one or they werent communicated to enough.
And it was obvious her whole body was slumped down in the bed they acted as if they didn’t see that.😢This was preventable he was not healthy enough to do for her.
Me too. Former CNA and she needed to be taken care of by someone trained and healthy enough to move her. She was just uncomfortable. If you lay in bed all day, you need to be repositioned throughout the day and night so you don't get bed sores.
The guy was 86 he couldn't care decently for that woman. The system failed her badly. The sad thing happens a lot with caregiver burnout etc.
**Adult Protective Services also was to house on the same day. They couldn't force her to leave if she didn't want to go but could have offered other help **
He didn’t have burnout. He’s obviously an old leech who was living off of her. That was HER house.
He said he hadn’t slept for days. That is very dangerous.
She only had a few days left anywhoo
@@chrishart-williams6432 Not according to records. He was put on house arrest at that house.
@@SweetPotata10 considering how much people overexaggerate, he probably just wasn't getting a full 8hrs every day, probably just 6 and wants to whine about it.
That he had not had sleep for 4 days and had COPD means the lack of enough oxygen and lack of sleep would have left him in a mentally fractured state. Not to mention the incredibly high stress environment and lack of support. Hearing the neighbours say he thought the world of her broke my heart. She should never have been left there long before that day.
I totally agree with you, they weren’t listening at all, he was crying out for help, he said he hadn’t slept for 4 days. They should of taken her to the hospital till they both got the help they needed
@@RaMoOgAAND ON TOP OF ALL THAT, he was supposedly drinking that morning as well. So this 86 year old man with COPD, who is sleep deprived, drunk, likely has some form of dementia, and has been under immense stress for who knows how long.
It was crazy hearing the neighbors say that, he really did care about her at first. The fact that she got kicked out of multiple nursing homes and her own ex son in law said she contributed to her own death with her acid tongue is so telling. Henry was not there mentally, and he was in so much pain when the cops found him. He warned them.
My heart is broken for her. I can't believe they left her.
She also didn’t want to leave though. So how was this going to end up any other way?
As a caregiver, I know what it's like to be burnt out and that man needed help. Where was her hospice nurse? Where was the social worker? They dropped the ball.
Where was the rest of her so called loving family I’ll tell you they were hiding out cuz they didn’t want to deal with her u seen how demanding she was when the first set of the police showed up she was kicked out of all them nursing homes the son inlaw knew exactly what kind of person she was so where was her children hiding from her i bet the old man couldn’t get any breaks so he could take a big huge breath of relief from her his life was destroyed because of this woman once again another mans life destroyed by another overbearing woman. Turn henry loose.
My first thought too.
I was never a nurse but I helped take care of my mom when she was in hospice. It was … the single most emotionally and physically exhausting time of my life.
I am sympathetic. That sympathy only goes so far though - but God, the minute you’re so burned out that thoughts of violence enter your head, you need to go get more help and surrender your responsibilities.
I hate this. I hate all of this.
@@dwightherrington7793 she was telling the cops to do things because she was scared and didn’t want them to leave 😂🫵
@dwightherrington7793 He shot her.. it's still murder. When I want out of a relationship,a marriage, I dont just shoot my wife and kids then skip away saying well I was stressed out, whatever!
Same here token care of my mom it was the worst no help of the government period it was all on me
Wow! The lack of compassion for that woman astounded me on all fronts.
@jeffrethanna9538 they both had mental problems.. She was behaving like that because she KNEW he would hurt her.
@Maxwell.444xX
So, why then she behaved like that with her care personnel at multiple care homes, to the point that she’s been kicked out multiple times? 🤔
I was a live in caretaker for a lady like that....she pushed me to my limits
@@Maxwell.444xXThe lady was just mean and ungrateful to the point she was kicked out of multiple nursing homes.
Her step son's statement was so disgusting.
My husband recently died and needed a lot of care his last two months, I’m here to say I’m 59 and if he had been totally bed ridden I’d only have help for a bed bath once a day. No more. And that’s on hospice. They don’t offer a care aid. They don’t offer much help unless it’s sort of an emergency. If I can’t change him I’m screwed. He weigh 220 lbs. I cared for months for my mom who weighed 120 and my back hurt for a year. America literally turns their backs on the elderly and infirmed. A nursing home won’t even take her unless she has no property (or they want the property) and will take social security and Medicare payments and they are the worst nursing homes. It’s terrible. What he did was wrong but I think he absolutely snapped with the stress.
Its pathetic.
You are so right. Where were her hospice team and her social worker. There is absolutely no help for elderly care that is affordable. It's ridiculous. The families are left overburdened.
He obviously has dementia caused by age and booze. I suspect June was an annoying burden as she had been in care homes previously.
I mean your kids should be the ones taking care of you.
I agree. My best friend had to start taking care of her mother, and it absolutely ruined her health. She is in her early thirties and looks like she's late fifties now 😥 She has to drive everyday thirty miles and she has brothers who live right next door to her mother who refuse to help. I feel so bad for her. It's too much for anyone to do alone especially an elderly person!
Can you imagine the kind of impossible stress that this poor old man was left to suffer with? He was in his mid-80's. He should have been living out his final days in peace and comfort and instead has his physically and mentally sick and deteriorating partner just dumped on him. Literally, dumped on him. Nobody gave a shit about either of these two poor people. Such a sad ending to two lives.
Nobody forced him to be her poa. Now stop acting like murderers are victims you people are crazy
My father, who just passed away at 92, took care of my mother hand and foot for over ten years. She was slowly dying over that time…a very very sick woman. My mother passed away finally in 2011. Dad then continued to live alone for 12 more years. Of course my brother and I would visit to keep him company, and do whatever he needed at the time. On April 3rd 2023 he was advised he had advanced lung cancer. (Never smoked) My brother and I exchanged weeks being with him making sure one of us was with him 24/7. He passed after 7 months. We took care of dad hand and foot 24/7 swapping weeks for only 7 months, and I can tell you I am SO PROUD OF MY FATHER for taking such great care of my mom for all those years. It is VERY VERY tough to do what my brother and I did, let alone what my dad did for all those years. Dad, Mom, I miss you both dearly and I am so thankful my Dad was way for patient than this man.
Proud of you for everything you did for your Father. He was obviously a very amazing man and it shows in you and your brother as well by doing what you guys did. I'm sure that made him extremely happy and proud to see as well. Sending my love, the world needs more humans like that.
Thank you so much for the kind words. And yes, he was an AMAZING man, husband, and father. Again, thank you.
Nobody cares bro
@@Nolimitfredo24It seems like you care enough to comment on his comment, so you better back off. bumb
@@Nolimitfredo24 You literally commenting shows you do, in fact, care. If you have kids they'll most likely treat you how you're treating this situation. Good luck in life. LOL
Henry clearly suffered a mental break from all the pressure he was put under. It’s too much for a man of his age to be in charge of someone else’s care, let alone by himself. They needed help, both of them. This is so sad.
Yes I feel sorry for both he needed help too he completely snapped. It is very demanding for a young person to take care of a bedridden relative who is frustrated and sick. It is so sad he was all alone with this responsibility and so sad for his spouse who was suffering so much
@@janoraj4667he's a murderer he could have called cops and said I'm done take her anything else
@@Myspicyonion that's what he did
@@Myspicyonion Henry did call for help the day before. Police ignore both Henry and Juneanne's request for help.... Police said go deal this problem with yourself.... Henry said he's had enough and threatened to kill that old lady. Are you deaf???
Yeah but he also already had some aggression in him. You can tell with the weird gun talk.
BOTH of them were failed. This is tragic.
Exactly 💯
how can a man live to his age and act like such a child?
@@Tyler-hk4wo with most elders after a certain age their brain starts developing almost backwards
he was drinking all morning apparently and probably after the officers left the first time.
The way they even talk about her as if she wasn't there.
I cared for my grandma, I am now caring for my mom. And yes it gets frustrating. But whenever we have paramedics over, I shut up so they talk to my mother and not to me about my mother.
God Bless you for taking good care of your loved ones. It cannot be easy.
was caring for my grandpa, he passed on tuesday. much love
I take care of my grandma. Ima ride wit her til the wheels fall off i ain't letting nothin happen to my baby
Took care of my mom for 15 years until trump was president. And then someone killed her to get him out of office.
@@seducedbysasquatchsorry for your loss
5:53 He mentioned that he hasn't slept for 4 days. Being without sleep for that long can make you do crazy things.
And imagine being 86! He was in need of care for himself, let alone taking care of a bedridden person is unimaginable. I feel so sorry for them both.
Then he said he woke up at 3 am so maybe he’s lying
@@janoraj4667 throughout the first visit the cops did, he insisted the cops to leave all the time and everything was fine. He then starts to yell when he murdered the lady, that the previous cops that came to the house were supposed to "help" him, yet he clearly insisted on being left alone many times in the morning. why are you feeling sorry for him? he murdered her regardless if he's 86. i agree this was extremely preventable and there should have been way more access to help but he still murdered that lady, knowing damn well she was scared for her own safety.
No it doesn't make you kill. I have three kids I know what no sleep is. Excuses are crap
@beaulynch6971 he only insisted they leave after he saw the cops couldn't take her against her will. He felt they couldn't do anything for him, so they should just leave. Doesn't excuse what he did, but it's just in response to your statement
Why are these cops so instantly in love with this guy and so dismissive of a desperate immobile elderly woman?
Most male cops are abusive towards women. Statistics stated over 40% are abusive
She seemed unpleasant
She had a history of belligerent behavior. This also wasn't the first encounter they had with them.
Like she asked, Are you Macho?
the one cop said "I like guns too", they recognised themselves in this murderer.
This was so disturbing to watch. The police complete lack of taking these people seriously was disgusting. He literally threatened to kill her twice, admitted to having lots of loaded guns “ready to go,” she’s crying and pleading for them to stay, and the cops were acting as though they’re having tea with grandma and grandpa. Disgusting.
I don’t want to end up like this when I’m old (which is fast approaching). This country does not do anywhere near enough to help the elderly.
the whole world revolves around you. remember that.
@TheAdderkop Sadly true. If you spend your life being abusive and grating to your family, you're going to find yourself all alone at the end.
Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask something else instead
@@IAteTheCannoli why not ask what your country can do for you?
@@silversmoke6 Because you'll be called a communist and un-American. Someone has to feed the "for Profit" healthcare system that cares about the bottom line instead of the patients. This country will tax you until you die but couldn't care less if you need help at end of life. Inconvenient truth.....
saying thaat she's a burden RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER is honestly so disgustingly unprofessional
For real. And how is that dude older than her and drunk supposed to be caring for her?
I could see how she looked at the cop when he said that. Heartbreaking.
But of course, you know that cop is not going to receive additional training or anything of that sort for having made that comment
Unfortunately the kind of social understanding your comment is implying, isnt automatically present in every person, and police are just random people. I agree with you, I wouldnt have said that either personally, seems pretttty distasteful and socially tonedeaf to use the word burden when shes on BEDREST yeah im sure its a burden for her as well to be stuck in a bed lol, we gotta remember that officers might be the kinds of people, we personally dont like. lol But they are still officers, maybe someone can help educate this guy on being more subtle as not to be a rude ass to people lol :P
Came here to say this, wtf.... She is there! She is not furniture! That was infuriating.
I've had a coworker accidentally dial 911 and 911 called them back just to check if they were okay. But when they're on call with an 80+ year old hospice patient that clearly is verbalizing they feel unsafe and they just let the call drop???? Are you serious right now????
I think that's the least fucked up thing about this whole incident
@@nutcase1995 Yes, but it it also highlights negligence at every corner of the situation.
@@sunshineunitz3833Have you been around elderly people with dementia much?
@@bpslick4565 that doesn’t matter at all. There’s proper protocol for potential abuse situations, which was already revealed to the dispatcher. The police failed her every step of the way is the problem and the point. Needs to be highlighted so it doesn’t happen again
I've done this when I was 16 I believe? years ago over the telephone line, I was screwing around with an old phone we got (which is gone now) but tinkering with old computers I used the phone line and i accidentally dialed 911, the mem button would call the last number. Either way 911 call center actually CALLED BACK 4 TIMES (I was nervous to pick up the first 3 times) and asked if i was okay, which I was.
The fact they dropped the call and never called back is like what the actual fuck.
Cannot leave relatives on the brink of insanity in charge of terminal under treated relatives.