Ali hadn't stopped or even floored an opponent since 1976. He trained extremely hard for the Spinks rematch yet he never looked like he was going to stop him either. Ali was kidding himself if he ever thought that he could beat Holmes after a two year lay-off.
I was at deer lake when Ali was training for Holmes I sat there watching him sparring and hit the bag and I knew he had no chance this fight was money motivated that’s it
@@barneymiller844 If Dundee loved Ali and cared about his welfare, he should have had nothing to do with the fight and gone public with his reasons. I saw a BBC documentary where Dundee claimed that his way of telling Ali that it was time to quit was to make some extremely vague reference to a conversation they'd had fifteen years earlier. Ferdie Pacheco wrote to Dundee after the Shavers fight, outlining the damage that Ali had suffered and why he should not fight again but Dundee never responded. Not good enough.
@@barneymiller844 sad but true. tyson wanted to get revenge on holmes for beating ali but ali was to blame. holmes just got the monkey off his back of having someone that beloved towering over him.
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Ali did not carry aging Archie Moore when they fought, so no, Holmes had no obligation to go easy on an aging Ali. And when Ali caught Holmes late in round one, that was not Ali going light.
Ali really thought he could beat Holmes because years earlier he could handle him when Holmes was his sparring partner, but that was 1974, this is 1980 and Ali had declined massively and Holmes had gotten better, Ali was also messed up on some kind of medication he was taking that weakened him badly during the fight, some say he already had early Parkinson's during the fight also
@@ppuh6tfrz646 no one knows what Ali was thinking when he entered the ring, he acted mental, maybe even a little drunk, seemed to not be worried about Holmes at all because they used to spar together and Ali could hold his own, but that was years earlier
@@youtoo2233 Gene Kilroy, one of the people who was closest to Ali said that he tried to give Ali's confidence a lift by saying that he was going to bet a lot of money on him. Ali's response was: 'No, don't do it. Something's wrong.' That says it all. It seems as though Ali felt that it was too late by that stage to request a postponement.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 no Ali probably thought he would win until the end of the first round when he later said that he was already much more tired than he should be and knew something wasn't right
Totally agree..BIG difference..Holmes is stiff..effective as hell but stiff..speed and timeing win out as Tyson says its the punches you don't see and Alis "snake lick" was highest on the throne IMO
Ali was brain-damaged here (and had been for some years actually). It was an act of utter madness to be fighting anyone - let alone Holmes - at this point in his life.
100%. Especially after two years out of the ring. When you take into account the thyroid medication that caused Al's body to seriously overheat, he could have easily died.
Steve Nottingham, thanks for your comment....for it is spot on....as we at ImaSportsphile consider The Easton Assassin one of 6 heavyweight boxing legends from the golden age of boxing (1964 - 1995)....along with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and Holyfield
I have him at #3 in my all time heavyweights. Ali 1, Brown Bomber 2 and Holmes 3. I think Prime Holmes beats Mike Tyson. 2nd Spinks fight Larry got robbed.
We at ImaSportsphile believe Larry got robbed on both fights with Spinks....the 1st fight was the worst robbery.....cuz we believe that any challenger to a champions belt HAS to beat that champ substantially....KO, TKO or Bloody Beating w/ several knockdowns.....and Spinks didn't even come close to that. Larry was robbed because he was about to tie Marciano....a race card play by the folks who controlled boxing !?! The 2nd fight was less of a robbery....cuz Holmes was the challenger and he didn't TAKE the crown from Spinks....much in the same way as Spinks didn't TAKE the crown from Holmes in the 1st fight.
After posting 100s of vintage world championship boxing videos from the golden age of boxing (1964 - 1995) on our webpage....we at ImaSportsphile consider both Ali and Holmes as legends of boxing....and when legends get together in the ring....it is a tough time for each fighter....and in this case, no one knew Ali better than Holmes
Julian Davis Ali had a faster jab and more accurate. Ali footwork and hand speed was better also. Larry couldn't match his combinations in no way shape or form. Ali from 64-67 would destroy holmes. Ali from 70-75 also. 76 -78 is even debatable
I agree. Holmes knew this wasn't going to be a real bout, Ali was definitely gone by now due to the Parkinson's. Even though he was much older, I still think if it weren't for his disease he may of beat him, but it's debatable. Holmes wasn't proud of this victory.
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Ali hadn't stopped or even floored an opponent since 1976.
He trained extremely hard for the Spinks rematch yet he never looked like he was going to stop him either.
Ali was kidding himself if he ever thought that he could beat Holmes after a two year lay-off.
I was at deer lake when Ali was training for Holmes I sat there watching him sparring and hit the bag and I knew he had no chance this fight was money motivated that’s it
Angelo Dundee said "He trained Great!"
@@matthewellis8626 Angelo wasn’t going to tell the truth he loved Ali I remember everyone watching the sparing said he has nothing left it was sad
@@barneymiller844 I believe you was just stating how AD referenced the Training to Justify the bout -Never should have happened.
@@barneymiller844 If Dundee loved Ali and cared about his welfare, he should have had nothing to do with the fight and gone public with his reasons.
I saw a BBC documentary where Dundee claimed that his way of telling Ali that it was time to quit was to make some extremely vague reference to a conversation they'd had fifteen years earlier.
Ferdie Pacheco wrote to Dundee after the Shavers fight, outlining the damage that Ali had suffered and why he should not fight again but Dundee never responded.
Not good enough.
@@barneymiller844 sad but true. tyson wanted to get revenge on holmes for beating ali but ali was to blame. holmes just got the monkey off his back of having someone that beloved towering over him.
Ali brought so much to the world.. A fun man too.. Peace be with you.
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Ali took a lot on his shoulders to make life easier for others... You can't beat that and true.. Today we need to do the same ourselves... Peace.
They shouldn't have let him fight
He already has difficulty in talking here 😭😭
He shouldn't have taken the fight.
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do ou have entie muhamamd alio retirement show 1979 there is a clip of it on your website love to see i badly
larry holmes at his best and prime here
Ali threw his jab effortlessly
By 1980, *nothing* was effortless for Ali anymore.
Ali taught holmes
holmes never appreciated mentorship from Ali. Should have carried Ali and took the decision.
Loyalty is a rare commodity
Ali did not carry aging Archie Moore when they fought, so no, Holmes had no obligation to go easy on an aging Ali. And when Ali caught Holmes late in round one, that was not Ali going light.
@@bobbytheblade2550 yeah Ali still was able to land the straight right even in 1980
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Oh Ali! ...
3:48 - 4:16 Holmes absolutely nailed it right there.
Ali really thought he could beat Holmes because years earlier he could handle him when Holmes was his sparring partner, but that was 1974, this is 1980 and Ali had declined massively and Holmes had gotten better, Ali was also messed up on some kind of medication he was taking that weakened him badly during the fight, some say he already had early Parkinson's during the fight also
Ali might have thought he had a chance when he signed for the fight but when he entered the ring, he knew he was going to lose.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 no one knows what Ali was thinking when he entered the ring, he acted mental, maybe even a little drunk, seemed to not be worried about Holmes at all because they used to spar together and Ali could hold his own, but that was years earlier
@@youtoo2233 Gene Kilroy, one of the people who was closest to Ali said that he tried to give Ali's confidence a lift by saying that he was going to bet a lot of money on him.
Ali's response was: 'No, don't do it. Something's wrong.'
That says it all.
It seems as though Ali felt that it was too late by that stage to request a postponement.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 no Ali probably thought he would win until the end of the first round when he later said that he was already much more tired than he should be and knew something wasn't right
@@youtoo2233 Did you choose to ignore the bit where I gave you Gene Kilroy's account of what happened in the build-up to the fight?
if u think Holmes had a better jab than Ali u don't know boxing... seriously
there is always a question of whose was better in sports....the master or the student....and when the student is ready, the master appears.
Totally agree..BIG difference..Holmes is stiff..effective as hell but stiff..speed and timeing win out as Tyson says its the punches you don't see and Alis "snake lick" was highest on the throne IMO
This is sad. Subtitles would have been helpful when Ali was talking.
Currepted 💀 lorry Holmes 🥊should feel shame🔥for fighting mr.Ali💥🥊💥
Ali was seriously dreaming at that time.No way he could win.The fight should have never happen.
Ali was brain-damaged here (and had been for some years actually). It was an act of utter madness to be fighting anyone - let alone Holmes - at this point in his life.
100%.
Especially after two years out of the ring.
When you take into account the thyroid medication that caused Al's body to seriously overheat, he could have easily died.
Larry never got the respect he deserved.
Steve Nottingham, thanks for your comment....for it is spot on....as we at ImaSportsphile consider The Easton Assassin one of 6 heavyweight boxing legends from the golden age of boxing (1964 - 1995)....along with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and Holyfield
I have him at #3 in my all time heavyweights. Ali 1, Brown Bomber 2 and Holmes 3. I think Prime Holmes beats Mike Tyson. 2nd Spinks fight Larry got robbed.
We at ImaSportsphile believe Larry got robbed on both fights with Spinks....the 1st fight was the worst robbery.....cuz we believe that any challenger to a champions belt HAS to beat that champ substantially....KO, TKO or Bloody Beating w/ several knockdowns.....and Spinks didn't even come close to that. Larry was robbed because he was about to tie Marciano....a race card play by the folks who controlled boxing !?! The 2nd fight was less of a robbery....cuz Holmes was the challenger and he didn't TAKE the crown from Spinks....much in the same way as Spinks didn't TAKE the crown from Holmes in the 1st fight.
He dosen't deserve respect.
@@Mrpanchratnac Holmes was World champion. That alone is worthy of respect. He fought in 3 generations.
Holmes would have been tough for Ali even when he was in prime. Kind of like facing himself, only with a better jab.
After posting 100s of vintage world championship boxing videos from the golden age of boxing (1964 - 1995) on our webpage....we at ImaSportsphile consider both Ali and Holmes as legends of boxing....and when legends get together in the ring....it is a tough time for each fighter....and in this case, no one knew Ali better than Holmes
Julian Davis Ali had a faster jab and more accurate. Ali footwork and hand speed was better also. Larry couldn't match his combinations in no way shape or form. Ali from 64-67 would destroy holmes. Ali from 70-75 also. 76 -78 is even debatable
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Harder jab also.
I agree. Holmes knew this wasn't going to be a real bout, Ali was definitely gone by now due to the Parkinson's. Even though he was much older, I still think if it weren't for his disease he may of beat him, but it's debatable. Holmes wasn't proud of this victory.