Political correctness may come from a good place, but it’s ultimately pernicious because it’s an attempt to control language while ignoring context. Policing language is counter-productive to changing minds. Comedy is supposed to push boundaries and make light of dark situations. It’s a normal and healthy coping mechanism for dealing with tragedy. Comedians change with the times naturally by gauging the crowd reaction. If a joke goes too far for the audience, they will know. It’s completely unnecessary to try to preemptively control what jokes can be said or punish a comedian for a bad joke based on subjective sensibilities. “If you try to please everyone, you will please no one.”
What an autistic fucking take on this topic. Please tell me you are too young to vote. Centrists like you have absolutely no idea of the nuances that control society. Comedy influences culture. Culture influences politics. Politics influences policy. Making jokes about trans people makes a joke out of their cause. It obfuscates a very real issue, and makes light of it. Why would you want to make light of this issue???? It is the height of privilege to be able to say “trans jokes are fine just stop being so triggered” while not seeing that its impact on that community.
Mr T's favourite shirt dude lighten the fuck up! They’re jokes! If someone doesn’t like a joke ten stop listening. Nobody’s tied up and forced to listen to anything. Walk away and go do something else. Telling someone what they can and can’t say is just as bad as if not worse than saying it in the first place.
@@felidiafeatherbottom9134 Funny you use "centrist" in a derogatory way. You, as a far leftist, are the problem. Horrible "centrists" like myself are simply free of partisan shackles. I don't "play" for any team. I just want the fucking truth, and I give negative fucks where it comes from. The truth can come from some buttoned shirt wearing white millionaire or from a black trans activist... the truth is the truth. Your hot take about comedy somehow directing everyone is horribly misguided. So some dark themed jokes about trans or minorities is going to cause the return of segregation? Huh. Just like that time way back when Lenny Bruce joked about Jews and America rose up reanimated Hitler's corpse for a second holocaust. Member that?
But that quote has it exactly backwards: there is no right or wrong when it comes to laughing at a joke - only funny or unfunny. Are you going to try to tell me that, if I don't find your joke funny or your favorite comedian consistently funny that I'm objectively "wrong"? That I've violated logic somehow, or committed some morally unjustified act? If you're honest, and you actually have an operating sense of humor, you will have to admit that this is nonsense. Furthermore, if you're not willing to apply this kind of honesty to every single individual case, then concocting some kind of pseudo-objective criticism of why I didn't laugh at your joke is a waste of time AT BEST, and an attempt at ideological control at worst. The actual "problem" here (if it can even be looked at in that way) is one that all social institutions today are coming to grips with - that with the advent of the internet, people are less passive "objects" of mass communication and can more easily share their thoughts and feelings right back AS mass communication. I can see why comedians might see this as a possible problem - for THEM, but certainly not for the rest of us. Transgressive comedy is often the type that we individuals find the most funny, but being transgressive always has its price, and more so when you're dealing with mass audiences. That's why its considered transgressive in the first place. Comedians can either adapt to this reality or quit, but I don't see any benefit for them to be lecturing us on what we should or should not be laughing at. Art is one of the last bastions of personal freedom left to us - and that goes for the performer AS WELL AS the audience. If these comedians are having to concoct some political narrative about "audiences today" not appreciating their humor, then they are just trying to enforce a conformism that is anti-art itself, and is ultimately self-defeating. Perhaps with success and advancing age they have gotten complacent, and are having trouble upping their game in response. That's a human trait that we all understand, and it explains the current situation far better than yet another worn-out narrative about "cultural decay". If they can't deal with the consequences of being an artist... well, too bad. Nobody ever said that artistic talent alone makes you cut out for an artist's life.
@@jstra But I'm not trying to be a comedian. None of what I wrote was intended nor crafted to make anybody laugh. It was serious in intent. Comedians adopt a serious stance at their professional peril, and they should be ready to take full responsibility when it backfires, as is vividly demonstrated in this spectacle of them attempting to shame their audience. I never meant my comment to be funny. That's pretty obvious. If you think I was, then your own lack of awareness is the problem here, not mine.
@@ntodd4110 Ahh I see, so a professional with professional insight and with an audience who would like to listen can't lecture, but a moron with a computer who literally nobody wants to hear from, can? Have you ever considered that what you are saying might be total nonsense? Because it is.
This struck me as hubris, the very kind that got the British Army into great defeat in the middle east during WWI. Hubris, egotism, narcissism...all related to being a hateful being.
Drkmatter Chscake i believe he meant that jokes aren’t meant to be safe. and besides, if you try hard enough you can find something offensive (or someone offended) about even the “safest” jokes.
I'm fat and no fat joke has ever crushed my soul. A gay friend told me the same and told my the meanest gay jokes I ever heard. Let jokes be jokes idiots.
From what I’ve learned, you can either enhance the joke by “owning it” or you can ruin the joke by getting offended. You chose the former and I could not be happier
Everyone should realize, its Comedians who defend us against extreme thinking. They provide the slap in the face that resets the centre marker. Guys, PLEASE continue fighting for us.
@Adrian P Y'know when you put it that way it's a wonder there's a hammer being slammed on comedy in recent years. After all we're better controlled when we think in extremes. It's why as a Christian I strive to avoid the extremes associated with my religion, as I like being able to think for myself and learn from the world around me.
"the ability to laugh at one's self demonstrates a little daylight between a person and their ego"...hard to imagine a better way to describe good mental health.
Absolutely, and the Comedy Channel show "Tough Crowd" hosted by Colin Quinn, which Patrice was a regular on, was a great comedy show that got shut down due to the gutless Comedy Channel not having the balls to let it stay on. Other great comedians from that show were Nick DiPoalo, Jim Norton and Greg Giraldo (RIP).
One time I asked my Italian grandma how she felt about being called a wop her reply was you can call me anything you want as long as you’re smiling when you say it.
My irish mate said similar but different about being called a "bog trotter" He said "you call me anything you like, just dont call me early on a sunday"
a former coworker THOUGHT about saying to the Italian manager "Hey, Charlie. You remind me of the sound of a flat tire. 'Wop wop wop wop wop wop wop'" He didn't, and Charlie told some good, offensive jokes. Maybe Charlie woulda laughed. Maybe not.
“Wop” was an acronym in post WW2 when massive immigration from Europe, and stood for “Without papers”. No clue though why is was particular to Italians tho.
I love it when someone that was born in the USSR says America's regulations are starting to, "make them feel at home." Really makes you think we're going backwards XDDDD
Jason Corr right?! What is even the point of trying to book a comedian you view as politically incorrect, if you are going to effectively gag him? There are PLENTY of “mainstream” (PC enough for TV) comics that they could have chosen. It’s like hiring a tradesman but banning him from using tools. It’s dumb and was either pure entitlement to expect agreement from a comic, to those rules, or it was an ill thought out booking by someone who didn’t do their research. You don’t want “edgy” comedy? Don’t book a comedian known for being edgy. It’s not difficult. Not everything is for everyone and that’s ok.
@@sparklywastaken1426 the strange part is we are living in a time where you can check out a comedians material before you pay to see them ( for example, on RUclips or other internet avenues) and you can decide in advance whether you should go see them. Instead people go and act surprised, shocked and triggered.
Sparkly Was Taken I know as part time comic myself mate (basically I’m not good enough to make it full time 😂) I find it dangerous that we are regulated on what we say
All the best comedians are philosophers...the best comedians are always very intelligent and creative. its easy to be serious about a serious subject, but to make a joke from it and crystallise a thesis into a few lines, AND be funny takes enormous intellect and talent...which is why only 10% of comedians are funny, except for female comedians, in which case only 1% are funny, and that's the ones who tell jokes like a man...
Prof 390 I couldn't agree more. I think you're stealing my thoughts. I've always wanted to create an illustration with Socrates Confucius. Gandhi and Carlin from class clown . I grew up in awe of how he so clearly points out all our ridiculous human traits. Truly one of the great thinkers ....I have to say in history. I miss him Dearly. Its a very scary time to be an independent thinker. Cheers Brother.
@@simonlloyd7557I agree. Stand up comics are the only entertainers I want to hear from on social matters. A higher intelligence and an extremely perceptive awareness. Maybe THEY should be running the country.
Way, way off. Cleese is the perfect example of why this garbage survived past cocktail party blather. The concept that a “socioeconomic scale” can be intelligently developed to identify people who can’t defend themselves because of their “position within” it, is nonsense. “Let’s not make mean jokes...” John’s comedy is evidence that jokes are funny when someone laughs. Simply because someone takes offense doesn’t quantify a joke as mean and erase the fact that someone else laughed. If someone laughs at me, I’m not offended. I find it offensive if someone tells the world that I’m unable to defend myself and that I can’t handle a joke. And how do I survive being offended? I decide to live past the emotional response of offense and refuse to make it the center of my universe.
First of all, congratulations on not being offended or upset when someone laughs at you. Bravo for not making it the center of your universe. But are you saying then that it's okay to get offended for other people who are being laughed at or made fun of? Because it seems to me that the psychology of empathy is a relatable understanding, and in order to understand relatably you have experienced something similar, that is, being laughed at and it hurt your feelings. Maybe you chose not to make it the center of your universe, but I'm willing to bet it still makes an impact emotionally, unless you are a sociopath. John Cleese never said anything about developing a "socioeconomic scale". He said there is one. Two different things. And, in fact there IS a socioeconomic scale that is measurable and quantifiable. Does it account for all the data? No. Is it still referenced culturally as a source of comedy? Yes. Absolutely. There are people less advantaged than others and it's obvious. Comedy points a finger and says "look at how absurd this is", and it's funny. Sometimes painfully so. Sometimes comedy is not comedy and becomes an attack. That's different. Being aware of the socioeconomic scale and referencing it does not mean that there needs to be a perfectly developed socioeconomic scale for perfectly developed referential comedy. And we are all on that scale and none of us are immune to being made fun of. Because true comedy is about absurdity and we are all absurd at one time or another. That's just a fact.
Andy Skiles , Political Correctness is regressive and unattainable. The goalpost will always move, and it’s always been a disingenuous attempt to signal virtue rather than teach it. Empathy and compassion are admirable and useful qualities for individuals to strive for in all their encounters. Generalized taboos on language and attempts to protect people from hearing things has never helped the weak become strong. Giving a man a fish feeds him for one meal. Teaching the man to fish makes him his own provider. Attempting to prevent the man from hearing the words “hunger” or “starvation” because it may hurt his feelings doesn’t put any food in his belly. The idea that political correctness could have ever been anything other than a childish concept is a fail. I was warned back in the early ‘80s when the phrase first began to appear about what it would do to intelligent conversation and discourse. Few predictions have been as spot-on as that.
@@robertlemoine4404 Literally f you. The comment is about my favorite comedian dying the day my daughter was born. Its significant to me in that sense. I lost one person that was important to me on the day I welcomed my first and only child. In no way did I claim my kid was the only person born that day. Grow up and learn something about perspective. That was the dumbest and most tone deaf response that I have ever received on a comment tbh.
PumpJack McGee classic Frankie Boyle! I loved that guy, his stuff was so out of control people would shit themselves going to see him, no one was off limits!
@@howardchambers9679 his humour is. Called out a guy who made a joke about transgendered people, whilst making his career from making the exact same types of jokes.
@Daniel Calvert The planet is fine, the planet is doing great. ...The people are fucked. Difference. Big difference. Pack your shit folks, we're going away.
Because it "offends" them... And this is what the society came to, fake news, fake people on a falsely promising to connect people better social networks, posting their fake pictures, adjusted by photoshop and filters, getting fake comments from people, who they don't even know! Welcome to the digital age, humans.
Comedy can break down barriers and provoke thought. That is a GOOD thing. A good comedian will bring you round to a different point of view and when you can accept different points of view, you grow and become tolerant to other views. That is better than any enforced political correctness in terms of encouraging tolerance.
Bill Burr fights for free speech in a funny way, I highly respect Patrice as well, they don’t fight for jokes rather the ability to say what we want. In not a republican or right wing, or liberal...I say this because I’m just an American who believes we should be free with our tongues.
I agree with you Child of Oria and you raise an interesting point. People instantly label you liberal or conservative like that represents every school of thought. It doesn't. There's a huge canyon between those two extremes and I deal with this all the time. Liberals think I'm conservative and vice versa. It's freedom of speech. Anything short of defamatory language is fair game. Sticks and stones people, lighten up. You feel triggered, there's the door.
RIP Patrice. What makes me sad is all the comedy you would have given us if you lived today . So much material for you to use, sadly we will never hear it.
Comedians talking straight up wisdom because the media and politicians etc can't string a sane sentence together. Reminds me of when south park and the simpsons were the only place you'd see decent societal commentary.
@@Piper44LMF yeah the rights version is how dare you punch up and make fun of successful people and the lefts version is how dare you punch down and make fun of minorities comedy
Stand up comics are the best reason to go out on a Friday night. They make true happiness possible. Laughter eases internal pain and makes it okay. God bless them all.
HA HA HA! Joy Behar nodding her head in agreement with Ricky, but that goat is one the first people to storm off the set when someone says something she doesn't like.
It's funny to me how conservatives have been saying this stuff for years. Liberals ridiculed them, saying there's no way free speech will ever be under attack. Well folks, it is now
I think one of the biggest problems in society is the way we label each other and ourselves. Dividing society into liberals and conservatives (and picking a side) is harmful to everyone. I think the most dangerous people are those who are extremist (extreme liberals or extreme conservatives).
@@beng4186 Left and right is a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy. It lets others set the narrative and keeps people from seeing the truth. Left and right are both wrong, truth is different for everything. Best solutions are different for each problem.
@@AltCTRLF8 People speaking truth were labelled leftists by the right. They looked left in the west where actual left didn't exist much. Then the PC took over, became the missing left and asserted that truth speakers were right. The truth speakers haven't changed. They are not ideologues. Ideology is anti truth. Truth supports neither left nor right ideology. Unfortunately, this give the actual right the high ground of being open and truthful while being anything but
Liberalism is actually a conservative value just FYI. Classical Liberalism. Look in to it. Modern day "liberals" have hijacked the label to try and label their censorship as righteous.
I came here only to see patrice..... He is a legend.... Being in India , sitting on my couch in Delhi, the day he passed away , I cried.... that's the effect he had on his fans... Being offensive , and rude.... He made a lof of nasty jokes on Indians.... And I wish he would have got chance to make more.... I don't think anybody being protective towards my feelings can come this close to me....
@@ZR38315 yeah but even if someone means to be hurtful with a remark you can still choose whether or not you are actually offended and how you react to it. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me...."
@slam zamillion The start of the last verse: "Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite Because I don't say it, Don't mean I ain't thinkin' it Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away"
The best joke in this whole presentation was the expression of understanding and agreement on Joy's face during Ricky Gervais' monologue on The View. The irony is classic! She didn't catch the fact that he is talking about rude, intolerant, self-important and ignorant people like her. He could do an entire routine on her.
Reuploaded because of some copyright bs, including a false claim on a clip that happened to be reposted to a channel with automatic content id match. So if it disappears suddenly again...
In the UK the rehabilitation for saying anything deemed un PC was to have to make a public visit to the illegal migrant camp in Calais and demand that these people were allowed into the UK without actually having to make any kind of formal application to do so. An example of this was Benedict Cumberbatch when he spoke about there not being enough black people in showbusiness and this backfired on him for saying black rather than people of colour and he was shipped off to the camp in Calais to advocate something illegal as his means of repaying his debt to PC society for saying something which wasn't remotely illegal.
“Yesterday, there was a Tzar and there were slaves. Today, there is no Tzar, but the slaves are still here. We have gone through the epoch when the masses were oppressed. We are now going through the epoch when the individual is to be oppressed in the name of the masses.” ― Yevgeny Zamyatin, A Soviet Heretic
@@JOECANDELA22 you know, I thought the same, then I realized that we all think we are "the rest of us". Sorry to break this to you Joe, but one truth that really hurts is to realize that neither you nor I are exempt from this. We are all ignorant to some degree. Sorry but if there is one thing that we all have in common (other then varying degrees of ignorance), then it is our Hubris.
Comedians say what other people don't have the courage to say. Comedians give a voice for issues that mean something to each and every person that's in that audience. I don't like Comedians swearing to much, explicit sex jokes or fat jokes, however, I've laughed at them because it's funny, true and sometimes something I've been thinking about. What I admire is that each Comic has this gift to make people laugh and that they are great storytellers. Laughter is the best medicine.
Just a joke: Comedians are "NOT" politicians, or trying to promote a "movement" to change political views , policy and governmental process Keep "A joke" in context Understand this: "A teacher teaches, don't like a teacher- leave the school. A doctor cures diseases, don't like the Dr- don't go to the Dr. A comedian tells jokes" don't like to them?...don't go to their shows"
*"Comedians are "NOT" politicians, or trying to promote a "movement" to change political views , policy and governmental process"* If only that were true. Unfortunately many modern comedians think they activists and political crusaders, but they're easy to spot, because they don't tell an actual jokes and they're never funny.
I heard a guy make a joke about asians. Me being asian i just laughed and found it funny. Was it a "cheap" joke? Yeah. But yet again comedy is supposed to be lighthearted Then i get bombarded by people saying it was offensive and i was a "minority pick me".... bruhhh Im not offended. Exasperated fits more accurately
like the song goes " make 'em laugh, make 'em laugh, make 'em laugh" ps- if you laughed at Porky Pig and Duffy Duck cartoons, will I be accused of laughing at characters with speech impediments ?
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Political correctness may come from a good place, but it’s ultimately pernicious because it’s an attempt to control language while ignoring context. Policing language is counter-productive to changing minds. Comedy is supposed to push boundaries and make light of dark situations. It’s a normal and healthy coping mechanism for dealing with tragedy. Comedians change with the times naturally by gauging the crowd reaction. If a joke goes too far for the audience, they will know. It’s completely unnecessary to try to preemptively control what jokes can be said or punish a comedian for a bad joke based on subjective sensibilities. “If you try to please everyone, you will please no one.”
What an autistic fucking take on this topic. Please tell me you are too young to vote. Centrists like you have absolutely no idea of the nuances that control society. Comedy influences culture. Culture influences politics. Politics influences policy. Making jokes about trans people makes a joke out of their cause. It obfuscates a very real issue, and makes light of it. Why would you want to make light of this issue???? It is the height of privilege to be able to say “trans jokes are fine just stop being so triggered” while not seeing that its impact on that community.
Mr T's favourite shirt dude lighten the fuck up! They’re jokes! If someone doesn’t like a joke ten stop listening. Nobody’s tied up and forced to listen to anything. Walk away and go do something else.
Telling someone what they can and can’t say is just as bad as if not worse than saying it in the first place.
@@felidiafeatherbottom9134 Funny you use "centrist" in a derogatory way. You, as a far leftist, are the problem. Horrible "centrists" like myself are simply free of partisan shackles. I don't "play" for any team. I just want the fucking truth, and I give negative fucks where it comes from. The truth can come from some buttoned shirt wearing white millionaire or from a black trans activist... the truth is the truth. Your hot take about comedy somehow directing everyone is horribly misguided. So some dark themed jokes about trans or minorities is going to cause the return of segregation? Huh. Just like that time way back when Lenny Bruce joked about Jews and America rose up reanimated Hitler's corpse for a second holocaust.
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Snaves - well said sir.
To Snaves: Excellent comment!
"Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right" damn great quote
But that quote has it exactly backwards: there is no right or wrong when it comes to laughing at a joke - only funny or unfunny. Are you going to try to tell me that, if I don't find your joke funny or your favorite comedian consistently funny that I'm objectively "wrong"? That I've violated logic somehow, or committed some morally unjustified act? If you're honest, and you actually have an operating sense of humor, you will have to admit that this is nonsense.
Furthermore, if you're not willing to apply this kind of honesty to every single individual case, then concocting some kind of pseudo-objective criticism of why I didn't laugh at your joke is a waste of time AT BEST, and an attempt at ideological control at worst.
The actual "problem" here (if it can even be looked at in that way) is one that all social institutions today are coming to grips with - that with the advent of the internet, people are less passive "objects" of mass communication and can more easily share their thoughts and feelings right back AS mass communication. I can see why comedians might see this as a possible problem - for THEM, but certainly not for the rest of us.
Transgressive comedy is often the type that we individuals find the most funny, but being transgressive always has its price, and more so when you're dealing with mass audiences. That's why its considered transgressive in the first place. Comedians can either adapt to this reality or quit, but I don't see any benefit for them to be lecturing us on what we should or should not be laughing at. Art is one of the last bastions of personal freedom left to us - and that goes for the performer AS WELL AS the audience.
If these comedians are having to concoct some political narrative about "audiences today" not appreciating their humor, then they are just trying to enforce a conformism that is anti-art itself, and is ultimately self-defeating. Perhaps with success and advancing age they have gotten complacent, and are having trouble upping their game in response. That's a human trait that we all understand, and it explains the current situation far better than yet another worn-out narrative about "cultural decay". If they can't deal with the consequences of being an artist... well, too bad. Nobody ever said that artistic talent alone makes you cut out for an artist's life.
@@ntodd4110 "p does not imply q" ≠ "p implies not q"
@@ntodd4110 You don't see the benefit of comedians lecturing, but you post a page of lecturous drivel? That's a staggering lack of self awareness.
@@jstra But I'm not trying to be a comedian. None of what I wrote was intended nor crafted to make anybody laugh. It was serious in intent. Comedians adopt a serious stance at their professional peril, and they should be ready to take full responsibility when it backfires, as is vividly demonstrated in this spectacle of them attempting to shame their audience.
I never meant my comment to be funny. That's pretty obvious. If you think I was, then your own lack of awareness is the problem here, not mine.
@@ntodd4110 Ahh I see, so a professional with professional insight and with an audience who would like to listen can't lecture, but a moron with a computer who literally nobody wants to hear from, can? Have you ever considered that what you are saying might be total nonsense? Because it is.
"One of the great human failings is to prefer to be right than be effective". Got to love the eloquence of Stephen Fry.
This struck me as hubris, the very kind that got the British Army into great defeat in the middle east during WWI. Hubris, egotism, narcissism...all related to being a hateful being.
I wonder how being right precludes effectiveness? That doesn't sound right. I have heard the saying "rather be happy than right".
I think he said affective.
Hear hear 👏
@@jeremyanderson3819 really? have you been introduced to the new crop of American left yet?
“Comedy should be 50 people laughing and 50 people horrified”
-RIP Patrice
Russian Bot I wonder if he meant guys should be laughing and women should be horrified. Would make sense
@@drkmattrchscake4237 comedy is all inclusive, both guys and girls can laugh at fart jokes.
Drkmatter Chscake i believe he meant that jokes aren’t meant to be safe.
and besides, if you try hard enough you can find something offensive (or someone offended) about even the “safest” jokes.
I think an excellent comedian can make you horrified and laughing at the same time.
@@drkmattrchscake4237 No. That's not what he meant. He said PEOPLE for a reason.
I'm fat and no fat joke has ever crushed my soul. A gay friend told me the same and told my the meanest gay jokes I ever heard. Let jokes be jokes idiots.
Same bro, fat folks for fat jokes here
I feel bad for people who take themselves too seriously
A stripper told me this one. What's the difference between a hooker and a onion? People cry when they cut up a onion.
I'm Jewish and Jewish jokes make laugh.
From what I’ve learned, you can either enhance the joke by “owning it” or you can ruin the joke by getting offended. You chose the former and I could not be happier
Everyone should realize, its Comedians who defend us against extreme thinking. They provide the slap in the face that resets the centre marker. Guys, PLEASE continue fighting for us.
The People vs Larry Flynt
These people don’t give two shits about you... wake up
@Adrian P
Y'know when you put it that way it's a wonder there's a hammer being slammed on comedy in recent years.
After all we're better controlled when we think in extremes. It's why as a Christian I strive to avoid the extremes associated with my religion, as I like being able to think for myself and learn from the world around me.
This is worthwhile
As this thread can make you really think, comedy makes you really think! Really!
"the ability to laugh at one's self demonstrates a little daylight between a person and their ego"...hard to imagine a better way to describe good mental health.
Patrice O'Neal was a frigging legend, highly under-rated comic that we lost too soon
Absolutely, and the Comedy Channel show "Tough Crowd" hosted by Colin Quinn, which Patrice was a regular on, was a great comedy show that got shut down due to the gutless Comedy Channel not having the balls to let it stay on. Other great comedians from that show were Nick DiPoalo, Jim Norton and Greg Giraldo (RIP).
@Dario DeNiro He died 8 years ago sadly
He's a hypocrite though. He wouldn't abide by a white guy saying the n word
How is he underrated. Everyone who heard him think he was great.
Who was under rating him?
South Park deserves a nod here too. Matt and Trey kick Political Correctness in the balls repeatedly and have done it 20 years.
Gr8-2B White and The Simpsons
Gr8-2B White right and Kenny represents freedom of speech which is why he was dying every episode
Gr8-2B White absolutely
@Beef 99 haha drawn together was great. So over the line and ruthless
Also, the boondocks.
"One of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right, than to be effective" what a brilliant quote.
People who know funny now he is at the top.
My personal top 5:
- Carlin
- Norm
- Chapelle
- Patrice
- Prior / maybe Louis CK over Prior :)
I wrote it down immediately.
One time I asked my Italian grandma how she felt about being called a wop her reply was you can call me anything you want as long as you’re smiling when you say it.
My irish mate said similar but different about being called a "bog trotter"
He said "you call me anything you like, just dont call me early on a sunday"
fishyc150 . Call me anything except late for breakfast
@@fishyc150 Why not Saturday
a former coworker THOUGHT about saying to the Italian manager "Hey, Charlie. You remind me of the sound of a flat tire. 'Wop wop wop wop wop wop wop'" He didn't, and Charlie told some good, offensive jokes. Maybe Charlie woulda laughed. Maybe not.
“Wop” was an acronym in post WW2 when massive immigration from Europe, and stood for “Without papers”. No clue though why is was particular to Italians tho.
I love it when someone that was born in the USSR says America's regulations are starting to, "make them feel at home." Really makes you think we're going backwards XDDDD
Eric Hoover it was Britain’s regulations unfortunately for us
That’s why Donald Trump is President and not Hillary
Jason Corr right?! What is even the point of trying to book a comedian you view as politically incorrect, if you are going to effectively gag him? There are PLENTY of “mainstream” (PC enough for TV) comics that they could have chosen. It’s like hiring a tradesman but banning him from using tools. It’s dumb and was either pure entitlement to expect agreement from a comic, to those rules, or it was an ill thought out booking by someone who didn’t do their research.
You don’t want “edgy” comedy? Don’t book a comedian known for being edgy. It’s not difficult. Not everything is for everyone and that’s ok.
@@sparklywastaken1426 the strange part is we are living in a time where you can check out a comedians material before you pay to see them ( for example, on RUclips or other internet avenues) and you can decide in advance whether you should go see them. Instead people go and act surprised, shocked and triggered.
Sparkly Was Taken I know as part time comic myself mate (basically I’m not good enough to make it full time 😂) I find it dangerous that we are regulated on what we say
George Carlin is a philosopher who just happens to be humorous.
Be careful. Georgy hated the phrase "happens to be"
All the best comedians are philosophers...the best comedians are always very intelligent and creative. its easy to be serious about a serious subject, but to make a joke from it and crystallise a thesis into a few lines, AND be funny takes enormous intellect and talent...which is why only 10% of comedians are funny, except for female comedians, in which case only 1% are funny, and that's the ones who tell jokes like a man...
All good humor has a grain of truth.
Prof 390 I couldn't agree more. I think you're stealing my thoughts. I've always wanted to create an illustration with Socrates Confucius. Gandhi and Carlin from class clown . I grew up in awe of how he so clearly points out all our ridiculous human traits. Truly one of the great thinkers ....I have to say in history. I miss him Dearly. Its a very scary time to be an independent thinker. Cheers Brother.
@@simonlloyd7557I agree. Stand up comics are the only entertainers I want to hear from on social matters. A higher intelligence and an extremely perceptive awareness. Maybe THEY should be running the country.
90% of the time people are offended because they think they have to be
The worst ones are those that are offended on someone else's behalf. "Mind you own fucking business,i wasn't talking to you" only offends them more.
People who shout offended think there opinion is above everyone else ,even if they are getting offended for someone else.
Exactly. Audienciences will now repress the natural reaction to laugh at certain jokes because of the restrictions of political correctness.
Omfg white saviours, Lgbt ‘ally’s’ etc💀
John Cleese nailed it
Damn Straight
...and he was also right with that Parrot! It was most definitely deceased!
Way, way off. Cleese is the perfect example of why this garbage survived past cocktail party blather. The concept that a “socioeconomic scale” can be intelligently developed to identify people who can’t defend themselves because of their “position within” it, is nonsense.
“Let’s not make mean jokes...” John’s comedy is evidence that jokes are funny when someone laughs. Simply because someone takes offense doesn’t quantify a joke as mean and erase the fact that someone else laughed.
If someone laughs at me, I’m not offended.
I find it offensive if someone tells the world that I’m unable to defend myself and that I can’t handle a joke. And how do I survive being offended? I decide to live past the emotional response of offense and refuse to make it the center of my universe.
First of all, congratulations on not being offended or upset when someone laughs at you. Bravo for not making it the center of your universe. But are you saying then that it's okay to get offended for other people who are being laughed at or made fun of? Because it seems to me that the psychology of empathy is a relatable understanding, and in order to understand relatably you have experienced something similar, that is, being laughed at and it hurt your feelings. Maybe you chose not to make it the center of your universe, but I'm willing to bet it still makes an impact emotionally, unless you are a sociopath. John Cleese never said anything about developing a "socioeconomic scale". He said there is one. Two different things. And, in fact there IS a socioeconomic scale that is measurable and quantifiable. Does it account for all the data? No. Is it still referenced culturally as a source of comedy? Yes. Absolutely. There are people less advantaged than others and it's obvious. Comedy points a finger and says "look at how absurd this is", and it's funny. Sometimes painfully so. Sometimes comedy is not comedy and becomes an attack. That's different. Being aware of the socioeconomic scale and referencing it does not mean that there needs to be a perfectly developed socioeconomic scale for perfectly developed referential comedy. And we are all on that scale and none of us are immune to being made fun of. Because true comedy is about absurdity and we are all absurd at one time or another. That's just a fact.
Andy Skiles , Political Correctness is regressive and unattainable. The goalpost will always move, and it’s always been a disingenuous attempt to signal virtue rather than teach it.
Empathy and compassion are admirable and useful qualities for individuals to strive for in all their encounters.
Generalized taboos on language and attempts to protect people from hearing things has never helped the weak become strong.
Giving a man a fish feeds him for one meal. Teaching the man to fish makes him his own provider.
Attempting to prevent the man from hearing the words “hunger” or “starvation” because it may hurt his feelings doesn’t put any food in his belly.
The idea that political correctness could have ever been anything other than a childish concept is a fail. I was warned back in the early ‘80s when the phrase first began to appear about what it would do to intelligent conversation and discourse.
Few predictions have been as spot-on as that.
Patrice was so passionate about it. I miss him. He died the day my daughter was born. It's always weird how one is gone as another is born....
Hope you named her Patrice......
I appreciate the comment but 65000 other people were born that day too.
@@robertlemoine4404
Literally f you. The comment is about my favorite comedian dying the day my daughter was born. Its significant to me in that sense. I lost one person that was important to me on the day I welcomed my first and only child. In no way did I claim my kid was the only person born that day.
Grow up and learn something about perspective. That was the dumbest and most tone deaf response that I have ever received on a comment tbh.
'When people cannot control their own emotions, they need to control other people's behaviour'
- Robyn Skinner, renowned British psychologist.
Fantastic quote, I’ve never heard it before
@@spencergsmith Indeed, it is. And so very true.
Maturity- adapting to the people and situations around you
Immaturity- expecting the people and situations around you to adapt to you
😊
@Vanessa STARS
That explains far too much...
Bloody brilliant explanation and one I’m gonna use on my kids. Thank you 🙏
True man
And dont get offended if you r not a man cause you have to adapt to others
Jk
Lol
PC= Fascism
So how do you adapt to the situations around you?
Much like telling a contractor... "Build me a house. But don't use a hammer, a saw, a screwdriver, or any lumber."
Perfect analogy.
Something wrong with brick or block homes? 😂
Here's your mud hut.
"People forget, that Political Correctness itself, used to be called 'Spastic Gaytalk' ". -Frankie Boyle
PumpJack McGee classic Frankie Boyle! I loved that guy, his stuff was so out of control people would shit themselves going to see him, no one was off limits!
@@frankoattes he's not dead yet
That’s our Frankie. Fuckin epic response to bullshit
@@howardchambers9679 his humour is. Called out a guy who made a joke about transgendered people, whilst making his career from making the exact same types of jokes.
The term Politically Correct is ironically PC. The more you know🤣
All brilliant especially Stephen Fry its a shame we haven’t got more people like him
He is a class act. A truly great mind.
Stephen Fry is a treasure. I love that guy.
he's right on this but has jumped on the 'save the planet' shit while promoting heathrow airport
@Daniel Calvert The planet is fine, the planet is doing great. ...The people are fucked. Difference. Big difference. Pack your shit folks, we're going away.
There are lots like him but most won't speak out for fear of being criticized or worse.
George Carlin was genius, he nailed PC culture verbatim. Everyone of those comedians are telling the truth, but now ppl dont want to hear the truth .
You nailed it.
Because it "offends" them... And this is what the society came to, fake news, fake people on a falsely promising to connect people better social networks, posting their fake pictures, adjusted by photoshop and filters, getting fake comments from people, who they don't even know! Welcome to the digital age, humans.
' everyone likes you to be honest, until you're getting honest with them' (George Carlin)
Who cares, the truth ain't going anywhere
I don't think "verbatim" is the word you want there.
Mr. Cleese's answer was 10/10
What a time we live in when the most offensive, least serious people on the planet offer the most truth and wisdom.
I love how Patrice calls Michael Richards Kramer lol.
Yea lol
Comedy can break down barriers and provoke thought. That is a GOOD thing. A good comedian will bring you round to a different point of view and when you can accept different points of view, you grow and become tolerant to other views. That is better than any enforced political correctness in terms of encouraging tolerance.
🙏 we miss you Patrice O'Neal
Bill Burr fights for free speech in a funny way, I highly respect Patrice as well, they don’t fight for jokes rather the ability to say what we want. In not a republican or right wing, or liberal...I say this because I’m just an American who believes we should be free with our tongues.
I agree with you Child of Oria and you raise an interesting point. People instantly label you liberal or conservative like that represents every school of thought. It doesn't. There's a huge canyon between those two extremes and I deal with this all the time. Liberals think I'm conservative and vice versa. It's freedom of speech. Anything short of defamatory language is fair game. Sticks and stones people, lighten up. You feel triggered, there's the door.
RIP PATRICE
I watched the video with Fry. He and Peterson were brilliant.
RIP Patrice. What makes me sad is all the comedy you would have given us if you lived today . So much material for you to use, sadly we will never hear it.
"I want to call white girls straight-haired hos!" RIP Patrice, we really needed you the last decade.
9:15 I finally understand what paper tiger means in reference to Bill Burr's new special and where it came from.
What a brilliant response from John Cleese! 👏
'Comedy is medicine' Well said sir!
Comedy is medicone but we live in a generation filled with anti vaxers
"I was born in the soviet Union and getting this contract made me feel right at home" fucking genius 😂
Comedians talking straight up wisdom because the media and politicians etc can't string a sane sentence together. Reminds me of when south park and the simpsons were the only place you'd see decent societal commentary.
George and Patrice much love R I P
All these men have beautiful minds
Patrice O'Neal is greatly missed. He's exactly who this world needs right now.
If I could grant immortality to any person in the world, Patrice would be at the top of my list
As always, short and crisp, the prize goes to George Carlin - a big thank you George coming from Germany for everything you've done.
Man, I would love to hear a 2020 Patrice O'Neil comedy special. That wouid be hilariously brutal, ha haa. Great vid Snaves, thanks.
Don Rickles would be washing dishes somewhere!
One of the few RUclips videos that actually make a great and valuable point, thank you for putting this together. 👍
People have become so bold, they expect all of us to tiptoe around their feelings.
NEED THIS TO GO VIRAL EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS !!! THESE GUYS ARE OUTRAGEOUS FANTASTIC BRILLIANT !!!
Google got triggerd by this lol
Leftists were offended by hearing the TRUTH....they would call it "hate facts"...why ? Because they HATE FACTS !!!
@@ITILII DIpshit its not a left or right thing its a generational issue.
@@Piper44LMF says you
@@ITILII uhm steven fry is left?
@@Piper44LMF yeah the rights version is how dare you punch up and make fun of successful people and the lefts version is how dare you punch down and make fun of minorities comedy
Stand up comics are the best reason to go out on a Friday night. They make true happiness possible. Laughter eases internal pain and makes it okay. God bless them all.
Comedians are smart!
that first guy seems to have a very clear view, they should invite him more
'let him say what he wants so I can say what I want'
'everybody can say everything?'
'yeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss'
Patrice O'Neal - "I know funny.'" God damn right he did. RIP Patrice. :(
HA HA HA! Joy Behar nodding her head in agreement with Ricky, but that goat is one the first people to storm off the set when someone says something she doesn't like.
Her lips were tight, and she was tapping a pen with very nervous energy. She was fuming, but hiding it.
Love that People still consider Patrice O'Neal.
It's funny to me how conservatives have been saying this stuff for years. Liberals ridiculed them, saying there's no way free speech will ever be under attack. Well folks, it is now
I think one of the biggest problems in society is the way we label each other and ourselves. Dividing society into liberals and conservatives (and picking a side) is harmful to everyone. I think the most dangerous people are those who are extremist (extreme liberals or extreme conservatives).
remember when 20-30 years ago, it was usually the “conservatives” trying to censor shit...but now it’s the “liberals”
@@beng4186
Left and right is a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy. It lets others set the narrative and keeps people from seeing the truth.
Left and right are both wrong, truth is different for everything. Best solutions are different for each problem.
@@AltCTRLF8
People speaking truth were labelled leftists by the right. They looked left in the west where actual left didn't exist much.
Then the PC took over, became the missing left and asserted that truth speakers were right.
The truth speakers haven't changed. They are not ideologues. Ideology is anti truth. Truth supports neither left nor right ideology.
Unfortunately, this give the actual right the high ground of being open and truthful while being anything but
Liberalism is actually a conservative value just FYI.
Classical Liberalism. Look in to it.
Modern day "liberals" have hijacked the label to try and label their censorship as righteous.
A little daylight in between them and their ego! Lol! Love it!
As Sister Mary Margaret used to say , - "PHUCK'EM IF THEY CAN'T TAKE A JOKE"
I came here only to see patrice..... He is a legend.... Being in India , sitting on my couch in Delhi, the day he passed away , I cried.... that's the effect he had on his fans... Being offensive , and rude.... He made a lof of nasty jokes on Indians.... And I wish he would have got chance to make more.... I don't think anybody being protective towards my feelings can come this close to me....
Jim Norton nails it the message is “if you’re uncomfortable it ain’t your fault, it’s theirs”
Ever noticed that the offence is usually taken (cos offence is always taken, never given) by those who weren't meant in the part that offended them??
Great point
“Offense is always taken, never given” is a pretty dangerous quote. People can absolutely mean to offend someone and be hurtful very easily
@@ZR38315 yeah but even if someone means to be hurtful with a remark you can still choose whether or not you are actually offended and how you react to it. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me...."
13:51 to 14:11. Said perfectly. In a world where people say they accept others. It's only true after others change into what people accept.
The last lines of Holy Wars. Because i dont say it dont mean i ain't thinking it. Next thing you know they'll take my thoughts away.
@slam zamillion listen to the song. A Masterpiece.
@slam zamillion Holy Wars...The Punishment Due by Megadeth
He's right. To enjoy that song he'll probably have a tough time getting over himself.
I rest my case.
@slam zamillion The start of the last verse:
"Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite
Because I don't say it,
Don't mean I ain't thinkin' it
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away"
I lost count of how many times Bill Burr said the word f...ing 🤣
My hero
Why were you counting?
The best joke in this whole presentation was the expression of understanding and agreement on Joy's face during Ricky Gervais' monologue on The View. The irony is classic! She didn't catch the fact that he is talking about rude, intolerant, self-important and ignorant people like her. He could do an entire routine on her.
Stephen Fry with the truth bombs
7:32 Dr Peterson probably thinking: "this man's room must be immaculate"
According to comedians, comedy is subjective.
So some shall surely say
Depends how you look at it 🤪
Thank you for this compilation!
Reuploaded because of some copyright bs, including a false claim on a clip that happened to be reposted to a channel with automatic content id match. So if it disappears suddenly again...
Carlin and Patrice are LEGENDS
I think there should be a "Love" button for videos like this. Like isn't a strong enough word.
In the UK the rehabilitation for saying anything deemed un PC was to have to make a public visit to the illegal migrant camp in Calais and demand that these people were allowed into the UK without actually having to make any kind of formal application to do so. An example of this was Benedict Cumberbatch when he spoke about there not being enough black people in showbusiness and this backfired on him for saying black rather than people of colour and he was shipped off to the camp in Calais to advocate something illegal as his means of repaying his debt to PC society for saying something which wasn't remotely illegal.
Ghostweasel Ah, the sweet moral gulag
Keep glad I listened to this!
what times we live in where a bunch of comedians are voices of reason.
Good stuff here. Comedians are the last refuge of the truth.
Anyone offended by a joke is the joke's other punch line.
1:54 listen & learn !
George Carlin and John Cleese both used the word pernicious. Gonna have to look it up
It's between the balls and anus.
Patrice can't be stopped. RIP he's gone way too soon.
Sooo... Then he was stopped...
But then his ideas and philosophy live on so not really.
5:34 what a cute little thing
Everyone on the planet should be made to watch this for some perspective.
Why would ANYONE dislike this video?!
some people just want to watch the world burn... ignore them, they're crying themselves to sleep every night
Because there’s people thinking they speak for the less fortunate when a lot of the less fortunate don’t wantto be spoken for
Good collection! Enjoyed it immensely, and good choice in comics.
Konstantin Kisin was an incredibly articulate guy.
Thank god for these people.
I heard most of the Polish jokes from my high school physics teacher named Verschavski.
Never apologize.
Pernicious- great word George.
I wonder if i can work it into normal conversation.
“Yesterday, there was a Tzar and there were slaves. Today, there is no Tzar, but the slaves are still here. We have gone through the epoch when the masses were oppressed. We are now going through the epoch when the individual is to be oppressed in the name of the masses.”
― Yevgeny Zamyatin, A Soviet Heretic
7:28 nice little nod
Jeff Ross looks like the Grey alien that aliester Crowley drew while high on adrenochrome
Thank god for comedians! We must protect their right to say anything they want.
Ever noticed how truth is always politically incorrect?
That makes absolutely no sense
Yeah true dat
Truth is a bitter pill for a lot of people. Ignorance is bliss. Pretty sad, because the rest of us have to suffer.
@@stefdehorde3674 agree, yet here we are!
@@JOECANDELA22 you know, I thought the same, then I realized that we all think we are "the rest of us".
Sorry to break this to you Joe, but one truth that really hurts is to realize that neither you nor I are exempt from this. We are all ignorant to some degree.
Sorry but if there is one thing that we all have in common (other then varying degrees of ignorance), then it is our Hubris.
That Stephen Fry speech was gold!
You've got to love steven fry
These guys aren't stand up comedians they are therapists with great sense of humour. Love from India ❤️🙏🏼
Political correctness is intolerance. George Carlin hit the nail on the head.
Comedians say what other people don't have the courage to say. Comedians give a voice for issues that mean something to each and every person that's in that audience. I don't like Comedians swearing to much, explicit sex jokes or fat jokes, however, I've laughed at them because it's funny, true and sometimes something I've been thinking about. What I admire is that each Comic has this gift to make people laugh and that they are great storytellers. Laughter is the best medicine.
Just a joke:
Comedians are "NOT" politicians, or trying to promote a
"movement" to change political views , policy and governmental process
Keep "A joke" in context
Understand this:
"A teacher teaches, don't like a teacher- leave the school. A doctor cures diseases, don't like the Dr- don't go to the Dr. A comedian tells jokes" don't like to them?...don't go to their shows"
*"Comedians are "NOT" politicians, or trying to promote a "movement" to change political views , policy and governmental process"*
If only that were true.
Unfortunately many modern comedians think they activists and political crusaders, but they're easy to spot, because they don't tell an actual jokes and they're never funny.
I heard a guy make a joke about asians. Me being asian i just laughed and found it funny. Was it a "cheap" joke? Yeah. But yet again comedy is supposed to be lighthearted
Then i get bombarded by people saying it was offensive and i was a "minority pick me".... bruhhh
Im not offended. Exasperated fits more accurately
"Nappy-headed ho is Hilarious"😂😂😂
like the song goes " make 'em laugh, make 'em laugh, make 'em laugh"
ps- if you laughed at Porky Pig and Duffy Duck cartoons, will I be accused of laughing at characters with speech impediments ?