Hello Justin, loved Till there was you, i so enjoy all your playing on these videos,thank you so much.The demos are always great.I am still loving my PSR SX 700 i got from you, and always can rely on you for help when neeed. Hamilton's really fo care for their customers and nothing is too much trouble, great after sales service. Kind regards to all. Pat.
Hi Justin.. Will have to stick with my Tyros 5 which I bought from you for now...(and still love it BTW). But you make a very good point in that so often we see arranger keys being demo'd by expert and virtuoso pianists playing fancy piano solos and fast runs etc... But how many of the target market actually can/do play them that way??? Not many I would bet... Including me!!. Keep up the good work guys. 👍
Hi Justin great video as usual, I'm torn between Genos 2 or Korg Pa5x, I know the operating system on the Korg is supposed to be more awkward to operate, your opinion please. Jim
The Genos 2 is awesome but lets not try to downgrade the Genos 1 it still sounds awesome in its self i know they want to sell new boards and yes i think its worth the upgrade but to say G1 was weak is a little untrue.
I had a Tyros 4 which I really loved, but succumbed to the pull of the Genos 1 when I saw one for a good price a few years back. Now, let me say the biggest issue I have with the G1 is the One Touch Setting and their poor levels of mixing. Too many of them will start off with a piano and nylon guitar in OTS 1 and 2 and midway through your song you move to OTS 3 and are confronted with massive stacked brass or strings which are very loud and often out of character. So you move to the next style in same genre and you get served up the exact same suite of OTS but with a slightly different beat! This seems like lazy programming from Yamaha. And because you can’t edit the factory presets and save them back to where they originally were, you have to spend ages stuffing around with registrations and user memories to get things right. Thanks for this video. The honesty and frankness of this review is very refreshing and probably the only review that has highlighted that the G2 is really what the G1 should’ve been! If only Yamaha would honour their loyal G1 customer base with an update that fixes up the unbalanced, poorly EQ’d and often lame OTS combinations we’ve been sticking with. If you have the time to sit and tweak the G1 and make up your own new set of user styles and reg. Banks, then you can get excellent results. But out of the box, G1 has been a bit of a let down for me and now I am looking forward to G2.
All of what we are experiencing now in Genos 2 is a projection (evolution) of the Tyros models and PSR (e.g. 8000) before that. Of course, more styles, added voices. A couple of notable additions along the way: SA voices, better&more effects, ensemble, FM, audio interface. But the big step will be AI in the accompaniments: not having to press buttons for variations, live generated drums, bass lines, comping in relation to what you playing, not that repetitive shit.
the drums hit harder, there are new flutes, guitars, brasses, pianos ... sound is more compressed and louder. After all it is the same machine. But so it is with all nord keyboards ...
Try to programming your genos 1. Try to make your own styles and sounds..by your self... the winner will takes it al..you will see Genos 1 can win the race...but you have to be a good driver...😅😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂😂
Good demonstration but how in the hell is this worth what they think they can get for it? It looks like a household toy a Montage might be better and THAT'S too much 🙄 I used the harmonica sound on the PSR E423: 🤷 Starting at :50 ruclips.net/p/OLAK5uy_kvJk6u0We4MyzIfJfZKxrCnWstbCCJTOk&si=ZUWt1HiuB7VJegke
There is no doubt that people that DO have the skills of serous Piano playing wil bennefit the most for the better Piano sounds, Just the FSX Piano that we know since the Genos 1 v2.0 which was nice but still a clear downgrade from the Modx/Montage versions, sounds way better in the Genos 2 and the New Pianos is just great for the serious Pianists. Especially for an arranger they are finally able to stand up against a good Digital Stage Piano. I personly love the Character Grand, with a little eq'ing and compressor it sounds absolutely gorgeous, and many of the sounds that carry over from the Genos 1 also sound more lush and detailed than the predecessor - Wich is partly because of the new Steinberg REVelation reverb. I have seen several people talking this down and even calling it "muddy", and can only say to those .. you need to get a hearing aid or take a course on sound design and mixing. It's a HUGE uplift from the regular Yamaha reverb effects that is still in there too, and which still sound ok and can still be used as a 2'nd reverb to make specific sounds. But as a master reverb the REVelation just is soo much more refined in defining your "Sound stage". Many people playing arrangers have an old school refference of how much top they want on the sounds and if you like me are over 50 you don't have perfect hearing anymore especially in the high range and you need to take care of not going too far with the treble boost when eq'ing sounds or the final mix. There is still room for improvements and there is some bugs which Yamaha is aware off that needs to get fixed Asap. and for the love of god, stop being so anal about differentiating your Synths from Arrangers and give us the posibility to at least load DX7 sysex sounds into the YEM and refine the posibilities to actually do a full filter and amp EG of the factory samples and save it as a user sound without having to use 3'rd part software to extract the onboard sounds and reload them as a Usersample. These things are already defined for each factory sound inside the instrument and the few kb both a user editing of the sampled sounds data settings and the FM sound settings would take up in the about 15GB of user memory makes it totally redicolous that the user can't do this already. The YEM software feels like something designed in the early 90's and seriously need a HUGE upgrade in both the UI and functionality. It's pathetic as a support software for an electronic instrument in 2024. It may have been "reasonable" for the first Tyros Launch, but it simply don't cut it today. I still love my Genos 2, but Yamaha needs to get their act together with their support software .. both for the The arranger line that is supported by the YEM and also their Synths MODX and Montage M line. It's beyond me why a Company that otherwise mostly produces absolutely top line acoustic and Electronic instruments can have such shitty support software.
wha i play arranger keyboards for 35 years now and i'm totaly get bored from those basic populair keyboard songs everyone plays.... The instruments are great the possibilities are amazing but i wish we had some more inspiration on new style's or/and a easy fast sequenser/midi looper to programe basic drum and bass acc...People no longer take the old school arranger play when you can one-finger play chords and one + finger playing the melody and 90 % its the keyboard intell (song)style arranger doing the work
the only difference is that traders are willing to sell as many as possible. Yamaha made this version 2 in corona times. there is almost no difference. All the musicians who aren't that so good bought this. The new styles have 16 bar intros and play an entire symphony whithout you.. Ridiculous.. styles are so busy and full that it becomes difficult to play with them a simpel song by yourself. 1 of 100 players can not create their own style. the rest are losers and not musicians. Yamaha has made a big mistake.. only traders are happy...😅 no, I will stay on Genos 1 for a while. 😮😮
Yamaha arrangers are overpriced, especially with a price tag exceeding $5,000. The styles still sound similar to the PSR models from the 80s, and while the voices have improved, the cost isn’t justified. Any professional keyboardist can achieve far more with VSTs. Instead of spending $5,000 on an arranger, I recommend considering a pro Roland drum machine like the TR-8S or Alesis SR18, both available for under $700, along with a high-quality synth or workstation such as the Roland Juno, Fantom, or Yamaha Montage(Best ARP can’t beat Yamaha Montage ARP). Pair that setup with a versatile VST like Native instruments all for under $3,000, and you’ll have a studio like setup with unlimited creative potential-without being limited to outdated, pre-set styles.
Great demo from a very competent musician. Always great informative videos from Justin. Have purchased from you in the past.
Hello Justin, loved Till there was you, i so enjoy all your playing on these videos,thank you so much.The demos are always great.I am still loving my PSR SX 700 i got from you, and always can rely on you for help when neeed. Hamilton's really fo care for their customers and nothing is too much trouble, great after sales service. Kind regards to all. Pat.
Genos 2 is absolutely a stunning instrument and sounds "complete". As you say, ease of use is what makes Genos a real players instrument.
Great video, nice to have a common sense demo.
Is the MODX+ being replaced ? (Long time out of stock).
Such a beautiful melody🎶
Thank you Justin for a great presentation, I do havbve the latest Korg but if I were to change I would come to you.
Hi Justin..
Will have to stick with my Tyros 5 which I bought from you for now...(and still love it BTW). But you make a very good point in that so often we see arranger keys being demo'd by expert and virtuoso pianists playing fancy piano solos and fast runs etc... But how many of the target market actually can/do play them that way??? Not many I would bet... Including me!!. Keep up the good work guys. 👍
Hi Justin great video as usual, I'm torn between Genos 2 or Korg Pa5x, I know the operating system on the Korg is supposed to be more awkward to operate, your opinion please.
Jim
what if we convert the styles to Genos 1 ?
Still enjoying mine. One of my best purchases ever. Thanks guys for helping me to make it happen 😊.
Superb 🎉
The Genos 2 is awesome but lets not try to downgrade the Genos 1 it still sounds awesome in its self i know they want to sell new boards and yes i think its worth the upgrade but to say G1 was weak is a little untrue.
I had a Tyros 4 which I really loved, but succumbed to the pull of the Genos 1 when I saw one for a good price a few years back. Now, let me say the biggest issue I have with the G1 is the One Touch Setting and their poor levels of mixing. Too many of them will start off with a piano and nylon guitar in OTS 1 and 2 and midway through your song you move to OTS 3 and are confronted with massive stacked brass or strings which are very loud and often out of character. So you move to the next style in same genre and you get served up the exact same suite of OTS but with a slightly different beat! This seems like lazy programming from Yamaha. And because you can’t edit the factory presets and save them back to where they originally were, you have to spend ages stuffing around with registrations and user memories to get things right. Thanks for this video. The honesty and frankness of this review is very refreshing and probably the only review that has highlighted that the G2 is really what the G1 should’ve been! If only Yamaha would honour their loyal G1 customer base with an update that fixes up the unbalanced, poorly EQ’d and often lame OTS combinations we’ve been sticking with. If you have the time to sit and tweak the G1 and make up your own new set of user styles and reg. Banks, then you can get excellent results. But out of the box, G1 has been a bit of a let down for me and now I am looking forward to G2.
All of what we are experiencing now in Genos 2 is a projection (evolution) of the Tyros models and PSR (e.g. 8000) before that.
Of course, more styles, added voices. A couple of notable additions along the way: SA voices, better&more effects, ensemble, FM, audio interface.
But the big step will be AI in the accompaniments: not having to press buttons for variations, live generated drums, bass lines, comping in relation to what you playing, not that repetitive shit.
Belle présentation ! Merci Justin. Mon prochain achat.
brilliant Justin see ya soon pal
Excellent Demo👍
I baught a G2 it's great dont forget there is loads of free add ons on Yamaha website for G2
Sounds amazingly mixed. Some things als really better with the Korg pa5x but over all the sound of the Yamaha is more musically
I must be deaf because I can hardly feel any difference between the previous model and this one. Yes there are, but I hear that they are minimal.
the drums hit harder, there are new flutes, guitars, brasses, pianos ... sound is more compressed and louder. After all it is the same machine. But so it is with all nord keyboards ...
Try to programming your genos 1. Try to make your own styles and sounds..by your self... the winner will takes it al..you will see Genos 1 can win the race...but you have to be a good driver...😅😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂😂
I'm 100% agree with you , must have a thing 😅😅
I agreed fully with peruvianmidilover!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Excellent presentation. Explanation for OTS is very useful.
Good demonstration but how in the hell is this worth what they think they can get for it? It looks like a household toy a Montage might be better and THAT'S too much 🙄
I used the harmonica sound on the PSR E423: 🤷
Starting at :50
ruclips.net/p/OLAK5uy_kvJk6u0We4MyzIfJfZKxrCnWstbCCJTOk&si=ZUWt1HiuB7VJegke
If only they did an 88 weighted key version
There is no doubt that people that DO have the skills of serous Piano playing wil bennefit the most for the better Piano sounds, Just the FSX Piano that we know since the Genos 1 v2.0 which was nice but still a clear downgrade from the Modx/Montage versions, sounds way better in the Genos 2 and the New Pianos is just great for the serious Pianists. Especially for an arranger they are finally able to stand up against a good Digital Stage Piano. I personly love the Character Grand, with a little eq'ing and compressor it sounds absolutely gorgeous, and many of the sounds that carry over from the Genos 1 also sound more lush and detailed than the predecessor - Wich is partly because of the new Steinberg REVelation reverb. I have seen several people talking this down and even calling it "muddy", and can only say to those .. you need to get a hearing aid or take a course on sound design and mixing. It's a HUGE uplift from the regular Yamaha reverb effects that is still in there too, and which still sound ok and can still be used as a 2'nd reverb to make specific sounds. But as a master reverb the REVelation just is soo much more refined in defining your "Sound stage". Many people playing arrangers have an old school refference of how much top they want on the sounds and if you like me are over 50 you don't have perfect hearing anymore especially in the high range and you need to take care of not going too far with the treble boost when eq'ing sounds or the final mix. There is still room for improvements and there is some bugs which Yamaha is aware off that needs to get fixed Asap. and for the love of god, stop being so anal about differentiating your Synths from Arrangers and give us the posibility to at least load DX7 sysex sounds into the YEM and refine the posibilities to actually do a full filter and amp EG of the factory samples and save it as a user sound without having to use 3'rd part software to extract the onboard sounds and reload them as a Usersample. These things are already defined for each factory sound inside the instrument and the few kb both a user editing of the sampled sounds data settings and the FM sound settings would take up in the about 15GB of user memory makes it totally redicolous that the user can't do this already. The YEM software feels like something designed in the early 90's and seriously need a HUGE upgrade in both the UI and functionality. It's pathetic as a support software for an electronic instrument in 2024. It may have been "reasonable" for the first Tyros Launch, but it simply don't cut it today.
I still love my Genos 2, but Yamaha needs to get their act together with their support software .. both for the The arranger line that is supported by the YEM and also their Synths MODX and Montage M line. It's beyond me why a Company that otherwise mostly produces absolutely top line acoustic and Electronic instruments can have such shitty support software.
Oven;lauded saxophone since 1982 and have NEVER heard a remotely accurate sax sound on keyboards. They should sample Marienthal
wha i play arranger keyboards for 35 years now and i'm totaly get bored from those basic populair keyboard songs everyone plays.... The instruments are great the possibilities are amazing but i wish we had some more inspiration on new style's or/and a easy fast sequenser/midi looper to programe basic drum and bass acc...People no longer take the old school arranger play when you can one-finger play chords and one + finger playing the melody and 90 % its the keyboard intell (song)style arranger doing the work
We want some thing new like dj styles editing much more
the only difference is that traders are willing to sell as many as possible. Yamaha made this version 2 in corona times. there is almost no difference. All the musicians who aren't that so good bought this. The new styles have 16 bar intros and play an entire symphony whithout you.. Ridiculous..
styles are so busy and full that it becomes difficult to play with them a simpel song by yourself.
1 of 100 players can not create their own style. the rest are losers and not musicians. Yamaha has made a big mistake.. only traders are happy...😅 no, I will stay on Genos 1 for a while. 😮😮
Me too
de piano sounds excellent, but you now how to play, that's the secret 😊 the same as the driver of the F1
Pure cheese to my ears
Yamaha arrangers are overpriced, especially with a price tag exceeding $5,000. The styles still sound similar to the PSR models from the 80s, and while the voices have improved, the cost isn’t justified. Any professional keyboardist can achieve far more with VSTs. Instead of spending $5,000 on an arranger, I recommend considering a pro Roland drum machine like the TR-8S or Alesis SR18, both available for under $700, along with a high-quality synth or workstation such as the Roland Juno, Fantom, or Yamaha Montage(Best ARP can’t beat Yamaha Montage ARP). Pair that setup with a versatile VST like Native instruments all for under $3,000, and you’ll have a studio like setup with unlimited creative potential-without being limited to outdated, pre-set styles.
Mike Flowers pop in a single keyboard! nice!!!
😅Genos 1 wonted
still no match for yamaha tyros 3