Luosjiet “Indiana Jones“ Boots: Alden Indy Knockoff or Legitimate Competitor?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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Hopefully Rose Anvil does a video on these.
I don’t think there is much to see underneath
Interesting they’re pretty open on just making copies of other people’s shoes. Alden was probably due for this kind of thing. I don’t blame anyone for buying these because they’re actually affordable instead of real Indys.
So these are my boots. Regarding sizing I'm 11.5 US brannock, 11 in Redwing & Thursday and 11.5 in Wolverine 1000 mile. I followed their sizing chart and got euro 45 and they fit perfectly. FYI Thanks Dale 👍
I say more power to these Chinese shoemakers who are stepping up to the plate, and shame on Alden for just sitting on their laurels and not listening to the massive number of customers who keep bringing up their BS marketing practices, QC issues and laughable value proposition...
I agree. The fact that they're still using fiberboard at their price point is absurd.
Copies are a funny thing. Especially in the heritage reproduction scene. It’s all a copy of an original in some way. Like all jeans are essentially a copy of Levi’s jeans but nobody bats an eye.
$655 is up there towards Nicks territory.....and heading toward Viberg. I agree I think it's a bit overpriced.
I have two Alden's. Pisses me off that they do not do MTO's. It says custom on the shoe bags.
Alden is skimming the market. Very loyal customers as well as brand trust are less price sensitive. Good for them. They don't want to expand sales just make profits. Good alternative strategy.
These look to be great quality but still a knockoff is a knockoff. They should release something based on original designs, imo. I'd be more receptive if they did.
Just searching "xbxs boots". luosjiet is low brand of it.
Alden don't own or invent the design of a dress Moc toe lmao, they existed well before Alden and will continuie to exist as a design after Alden is long gone
@@rarekid740 no one said Alden owned or invented the design of the dress moc toe. Read again.
@@BB-gl7zt "a knockoff is a knockoff". So admit the Alden is also a knockoff? Since they weren't the first with that design that's for sure.
You could apply quality shoe cream to the leather. This would provide an idea of the leather quality.
Would love to see the Rose Anvil treatment on these
Honestly Imo, they overstep the line with trying to copy direct makeups. The 405 copy is a bridge too far. I don’t have an issue with them producing homages or alternatives but its seem like they are doing their best to produce 1:1 copies of existing makeups.
It’s a tough one for sure, but fascinating to watch!
I also have the prime Asia leather, it is painted on, to create the teacore effect.
We just don't know what this inside of it, I think you should send to rose anvil to cut it and shit on aldens shit materials if Luo uses all leathers inside.
they feel better and more substantial than my 403s. they even have a full grain leather insole.
The MP Service boot was also made once by one company... It probably helps that I hate the Alden Indy so don't care that they're copied lol
My man.
Neat. But the acid test is comfort. Come on Dale, get your size and walk around and tell us how they feel!?
My intro to Alden shoes was through a decade old pair handed down to me from one of my dad's friends. Those shoes were in great shape for that age. I wore them another 12 years! Resoling extended their life a few years, again and again. They looked fantastic (they still sell it) took all weather, fit and felt like gloves. How do Luos Jiet's knock-offs of Alden Indys actually perform? In rain and snow? How repairable they are? How do they age? If they don't go a few years and perform well in all weather, $239 is still too expensive. Used Alden Indy's start around $250 , and identical knock-offs from China start around ~$100.
Regarding Alden: I bought a pair of Indies some three years ago for 650€ in Europe. Now, the very same boot costs 850€ (in Germany). 650€ was already steep and more justified by the comfort than the materials etc. However, at 850€ I got a pair of John Lofgren, which are IMHO more shoe for the money, super comfy, and just a beautiful boot. So Alden has overdone it for me personally.
Now regarding the Luosjiet boots: I would NOT support that clear knockoff of so many classics. Not that the Aldens are worth their money, but everyone should know that a boot like that at a third of the price, actually comes with a price! That price will not be payed by the buyer but most likely by the people producing them. Furthermore, there should be something like respect for a classic. Taking any heritage boot that sells well and reproduce it, is shamefull to me. I am not trying to be the moral guy here, but this is clearly crossing a line for me personally that I don´t want to cross.
I am really not trying to disrespect you at all. I enjoy your content and expertise, Dale, but with all due respect, you have hundreds of boot pairs, why that? This is to me kind of supporting consumerism at any cost. I honestly hope you get my point and do not feel offended. I mean well ;-)
I understand your point and I welcome these points of view! The boots aren’t mine I just wanted to do a comparison review and show whether or not they actually stacked up to the original. I appreciate your input brother
@@meiko_kaji Sure, compete. By using your own ideas and being better than others, not by doing copies of any shoe with history.
Luos Jiet is XBXS and XBXS is Luos Jiet. Two names, one factory, one company.
I have a couple pairs of their stuff that I've bought in China: A pair of derbies and boondockers. They're pretty good looking but the one Achilles' heel of this brand which almost all of the long-term reviews raise is the squeak. They don't do anything to stop squeak and virtually everything is going to start squeaking eventually if it doesn't do so right out of the box.
Decent value otherwise, though, especially if you get their seconds.
I was “lucky” enough to pick up some Alden 401 factory seconds a while back - my first pair of Alden’s. I’ve really enjoyed them but even for seconds the price was astronomical. That said I refuse to purchase a straight copy like these Luosjiet. There are other high quality faux moc toes on the market that at least use their own pattern (Parkhurst Niagara and Grant Stone Ottawa which is an NST). I’m sure there are others.
It’s dishonest for Luosjiet to say “this is our boot” when it is quite clearly a theft of the Alden Indy design.
Damn, the website got some quality boots.
Bought the black LJ. Hate them. They cut my shins so bad as they are hard as stone. I emailed the company for advice. They replied with “wear 3-4 pairs of socks until they feel better.” They are also easily a size and a half too large. I went down half size and can’t keep them tied as they are just too big. All solvable but realized I got what I paid for.
For what the Alden‘s cost they are not worth the money. Alone in Germany you pay over 800€ for a pair of 405s. For that price I get 3 of these Luosjiets.
I’m holding out and hoping that Parkhurst will do a Niagara in a black smooth leather with the white moc toe stitching. Most importantly I wish Parkhurst would consider more black or gun metal eyelets instead of the bright brass particularly on a black leather boot.
Wholly smokes! I'm gonna sell off all my Alden Indys and get these! No midsole?
So would recommend I pull the trigger? Better quality or similar to Thursday?
Above Thursday in terms of materials!
I was thinking of trying Thursday's new lug-soled Diplomats but now will be going with the Luosjiet instead since it's a closer match to the Alden Indy.@@DalesLeatherworks
Thanks for the review. I have several pairs of Aldens including Indy boots and also some shell cordovan and they are nice but they are expensive for what you get. A $259 US Indy Boot of decent quality is too intriguing to ignore. Going to give the brown grain cowhide Indy boot a try to see how they compare to the real deal.
Just received these boots today. The brown grain cowhide leather is very chromexcel like so I would consider this boot their 403 copy. It's a warm medium brown color and has great pull-up effect. It scratches but then you can rub the mark away with your finger. Taken together with the interior leather lining, the leather seems thicker and stiffer than on my Indy 401s. The welt and welt stitching are very clean. The soles look like a Vibram v-bar but in brown color. The heel is shaped like an Alden Thomas heel. These don't feel like a cheap knock-off. My first impressions out of the box are very positive.
Btw this brand isn’t similar to XBXS, it IS XBXS. It’s their lower end lifestyle line, same owners same factory yeah
Will be interesting to see what kind of chelsea's they'll make.
This is a big problem for me. There is a place for "inspired by" but these are a direct copy and one could argue "theft" of the IP that Alden possesses. Likely, there are no design patents owned by Alden that are still enforceable, but come on.
genuine question what is the arguable theft of IP. If you are going to say one could argue 'theft' then how could one argue it? Is it arguable patent, trademark or copyright?
That's ridiculous. This style and pattern has been in the public domain for 83 years. Anyone can make a version of it. Your argument seems to be that copyrights and patents should never expire, that there should be no such thing as public domain. That's a very antiamerican, anticapitalist stance.
Do you have the same attitude towards _Dracula_ and _Sherlock Holmes_ and think that nobody but Bram Stoker and Arthur Conan Doyle should be writing their books and making their films? Do you think that only Ford should be allowed to have airconditioning in their cars, or that only General Motors should be allowed to have automatic transmissions, since they took out the original patents decades ago? Should RCA be the only company allowed to manufacture LCD monitors, since they patented LCD televisions in 1962?
Your argument holds no water. There's no such thing as "copying" a patentless design. Now, if the design was currently patented and protected in commerce, or if this company was making actual counterfeits with "Alden" logos stamped in the leather, you'd have an argument. Anyone can make a cowboy hat, as long as they don't stamp the word "Stetson" on it.
So here's my take. I would buy the Luosjiet $240 copy over the original $655 Alden. But I would spend the extra $120 and buy the original Redwing Iron Ranger at $360 over the $240 Luosjiet copy.
Valid points
I got my two pairs of Aldens last year. 405s brand new from NYC Alden and 403s barely used on ebay for like $400.
I love them. They’re my favorite boots…but I don’t think i need any others from them. Lol
It makes me very uncomfortable to see a company just straight up copy designs and make knockoffs. Would you have the same perspective if they copied your backpacks and sold them 3x cheaper than you? They are just doing a 'high quality imitation', so all good in the hood right?
Most of the work when it comes to new boot designs is well, in the design stage. It's months and months of work: designing, testing, producing, trying different leathers, outsoles, changing the last, trying again, customer response... That's the real work and genius of these classic boot designs.
Think of Grant Stone. They made their own designs and lasts that took months and months of work. If this company copied Grant Stone straight up, I'm pretty sure Wyatt would feel a punch in the gut if he saw the copies being promoted on RUclips.
You’re right and yes a direct copy would make me feel uncomfortable but it’s almost inevitable as I’m finding other backpacks now that are similar in design to mine that have been made for years. Sometimes a copy can happen by mistake. In this case it’s not a mistake but I just wanted to rate them by what I saw. Thanks for your thoughtful feedback brother!
It's just the market in China. Homage shoes and boots are what sell best. There are lots of great small-scale high quality shoemakers running online stores in China now in the $150-300 USD bracket and lots of them are making cool original designs -- personally some of my favorites are Shonest and Gresgris -- but you scroll through their Taobao stores, and it's always like everything just has just one or two sales within the last month except for their one Red Wing or White's or Rolling Dub Trio homage that has dozens of sales.
You ask me, that's on the customers.
So what did they wear like...were they comfortable, what was the last like?
I didn’t try them on
Its because China is selling this product direct from the factory to you the buyer whereas, American Boot Manufacturers sell their boots through Shoe retailers, and that adds to the final cost of the boot. Other variables are at play that fall in the realm of production. This boot might be made in half the time it takes Alden to make the same boot. If Alden decided to sell direct the boot’s price would fall is the main issue here. That Alden cannot and would not sell direct to the consumer is the political side of the main issue. It makes perfect sense a straight line between the consumer and all factories for all goods be the way to go to lower prices generally. Deep inside I am sure Alden would agree. But the rational thing to do evokes irrational responses in America as a rule. Alden would be the brunt of allegations and conspiracy of a Chinese take over, charges levelled, tried in court, by all kinds of Legal teams representing American Business Associations. The sky would be falling if Alden adopted the Chinese model. Imagine if Ford decided to sell direct to the consumer how the Ford dealerships would react? A national crisis. It would work out in practice as it does in theory that if the seller and manufacturer are one and the same entity and no other influences occur the price of the boot would fall is a saving for the consumer.
Amazing insights, thank you
@@DalesLeatherworks can you tell me the width of a boot size 9.5 in inches.The trouble I am having is that I wear a 9.5 leather shoe. What Lousjiet size corresponds to that? P.S. thanks for the reply compliment. Economics is my trade.
Newsflash: You can get Chinese knockoffs of pretty much anything for less than half the price. Let's give them free advertising.
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I don’t have an objection to a high quality knockoff. I hate elitist snobs who insist people only buy Alden Edmonds Indy boots even if they can’t afford them. A Chinese company that makes a similar boot at a more affordable price, there’s a market for them. No one is being forced to shop them. That said, they’re giving AE a run for the money.
The leather is cheaper than chromexel , that leather won't get waves like ripples , but it will just get a crease like calfskin , all and all not sure about that stiff leather. Plainly see why it cost less
I still like the screen accurate Alden 405 Indy boots that I bought awhile back since they were the one's featured in the films.
Ehhh….i don’t know about this one man, there’s a lot of old designs in the boot world that are too old to belong to any one company but this is just intellectual theft. No personal spin, no different interpretation, just blatant copies.
You’d probably feel differently if someone just posted your video with a different name. Is that not a fair comparison?
unless alden patent this design there is no theft, even they did that will only last 20 years, it is way pass that time now.
@@thatsAkeepernow if you just put your name on a Shakespeare play I don’t think It’d be illegal but it’d still be theft.
Im not talking about patent laws, I’m talking about ethics. This seems like theft to me
@@meiko_kaji I agree that Alden is overpriced, I actually love j crew’s, Parkhurst, and any other competition that draws from the same design at a fair price but I just can’t get over blatant copying
@@Bayou987I agree
I completely agree.
Even the same heel
Alden is a joke. They are not a designer brand like Gucci . They have to be a value and heritage brand with a good 350$ price point especially since a lot of materials are synthetic. Grant stone is where it’s at
Grant stone knocks most brand out of the water in term of quality, last, and QC control
Essentially every boot this company makes is a deliberate, shameless rip off right down to stealing the names when that's at all possible. If your conscience can justify such behavior on the basis of price then go right ahead. I would not even give them the dignity of any review other than to say it's a darn shame you did.
You can start your own channel and then you call the shots! 😂
Im still hung up on the Alden thing. It perplexes me how people so strongly defend a company that constantly hikes up prices, has poor qc, and are overpriced to begin with. I understand that they like their products but you can still like the products and admit they’re flawed. I love red wing but they’re lazy nowadays and their qc has been off. I’ve had Aldens, they’re not that great. The qc was poor, comfort was standard, and overall wasn’t worth the money. All that being said, it’s not cool to copy to a T another company’s recognizable pattern.
Alden will price themselves out of business soon. Good riddance I guess
Great vid dale!
Make sure you think your gonna like them b4 ordering. Eighty USD to return a pair. Might as well say NON returnable.
That's funny, within China it's seven day free no questions asked returns for this company and they might not pay for shipping but shipping's probably going to be less than 5 USD.
Political propoganda aside ,these boots look good ( value for money atleast) !! Weston needs to cut these boots and evaluate the entrails.
Unfortunately for this critic, Rose Anvil is the most logical choice to investigate this brand, imho. If Rose Anvil gives their blessing, I'll consider them.
Wow I’m very intrigued. Was going to get a pair of niagras but they were out in my size but I think I like the look of these better
What size did you need? I might be offloading my mahogany
@@BB-gl7zt any chance it's an 8.5? :)
Curoius why? I just bought a pair in mahogany @@BB-gl7zt
@@df540148 ah man sorry it's not... 10.5
@@BB-gl7zt I think size 10 based on the info I’ve read
IF you can afford American buy American...if you can't then do what you have to do...but a knockoff is a knockoff regardless how you try to justify it. Remember there are many American boot maker you can support.
"This is how we innovate and this is how we challenge each other." No. Imitation is the opposite of innovation. Total tool.
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