I think you’re missing the point that the IET’s wimpy diesel engines can barely match the timings of the old full length HST services, let alone the Castle Sets
@@NextSound170 indeed it does not! Like when Hitachi underestimated how bumpy UK track is and the IETs’ suspension mounts all began to crack under the strain
Lucky you! I haven't been in a cab yet. Second of all, most of my videos are taken in either Bridgwater or Taunton on the Bristol and Exeter line. This particular video was taken at Bridgwater, platform 1.
I guess that a reason why these might be let go is fuel consumption. I wonder if it would be feasible to remove the engine of one of the power cars to make a DVT and re-gear the remaining power car for 160 km/h (as the XPT) to give more torque for acceleration. I don’t know who would do the work now we’ve sold off most of our rail engineering companies ….. perhaps Brush.
Yes high fuel consumption, especially during braking or idling is one of the reasons why they are going. However, the idea of converting one power car into a dvt (a trial which occurred in the late 80s/early 90s already with the 91s) would probably not be cost effective today as there are already "suitable" (and I cannot stress those speech marks enough) replacements for the HSTs, in the form of a metal green sausage with glorified ironing boards for seats. Thank you for taking the time to comment tho, enjoy your day:)
@@TheAntisocialTrain I accept that it probably won’t happen but surely to scrap the many Inter7City and Castle sets so soon after their introduction and buy new trains must be much more expensive than what I proposed (unless there are suitable modern units in storage). I was thinking today about what capable trains Voyager DEMUs are, apart from the fact that they smell strongly of toilets. Amazing that the manufacturer was not forced to sort it, can’t be rocket science!
@@Martindyna of course, and I had the same pondering myself. Simply put the Castles and Inter7Citys were meant to be lasting far longer than they have (well, the castles at least). Circumstances changed however and certain higher ups want them gone. However they aren't all being scrapped. Some ex-GWR powercars have been exported to Mexico (and look pretty dang great) to improve services over there. Granted, not all of us here will make a trip to Mexico specifically to see the HSTs again. In addition, it all comes down to a cost-benefit analysis. I can't provide figures to back up this point. In fact this is mostly skeptical and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I assume there is an official somewhere who has figured out that buying new units would be cheaper in the long run (and you know the DFT - any chance to save money they'll take) than keeping the HSTs in service. I completely agree with your point on the voyagers, they have potential. I especially agree with your comment about the smell. They don't stop here in Bridgwater, but zoom through at 90-100mph and even still the smell lingers. But crosscountry will be refurbishing these units soon as part of their contract renewal so hopefully that problem gets solved.
Unfortunately they won't be around for much longer. If you want to be on a GWR hst or the cross-country ones, be quick as there's plans for withdrawal. I don't know about ScotRails however Thank you very much for the feedback!
@@TheAntisocialTrainwhy did GWR bother refurbishing them only to get rid of them so soon? I guess they needed to have toilets that didn't flush on the track, but it seems like a waste of a refurbishment
YOO PASSED 100 SUBS WITH THIS VIDEO!!
Come to Scotland and see it every day ...... when they're not broken
Seems like everything is broken these days
What do you expect from two power cars and only four coaches????
I think you’re missing the point that the IET’s wimpy diesel engines can barely match the timings of the old full length HST services, let alone the Castle Sets
@@SportyMabamba 100% newer doesn’t always mean better
@@NextSound170 indeed it does not! Like when Hitachi underestimated how bumpy UK track is and the IETs’ suspension mounts all began to crack under the strain
@@SportyMabamba Were these designed by AnsaldoBreda S.p.A. before Hitachi bought the company? Although HS1 predates that so perhaps not.
Blooming heck never seen a HST pick up speed that quick !!
No neither have I. Nice to see.
Well, it's got the same power moving half the weight
@@grassytramtracks what does that mean?
@@samuelsmith9586 When the HSTs operated InterCity services they had 8 coaches, so of course they were going to accelerate slower than with just 4.
@TheAntisocialTrain why was the door open
Full thrash/power mode
Woah, that's fast
With four coaches and 4,500 hp on tap I should think that it should be fast.
Lovely
He left the cab door open.
Wow, never seen a hst that quick.
Was certainly off like a rocket eh? Have a good day:)
Where was this because ive been in both of these power cars cabs!
Lucky you! I haven't been in a cab yet. Second of all, most of my videos are taken in either Bridgwater or Taunton on the Bristol and Exeter line. This particular video was taken at Bridgwater, platform 1.
@@TheAntisocialTrain ahh thank you, that would explain as I live in this region aswell!
No problemo. Enjoy your day:)
Me in train sim world:
same 😂
me too. too much fun
I guess that a reason why these might be let go is fuel consumption. I wonder if it would be feasible to remove the engine of one of the power cars to make a DVT and re-gear the remaining power car for 160 km/h (as the XPT) to give more torque for acceleration.
I don’t know who would do the work now we’ve sold off most of our rail engineering companies ….. perhaps Brush.
Yes high fuel consumption, especially during braking or idling is one of the reasons why they are going. However, the idea of converting one power car into a dvt (a trial which occurred in the late 80s/early 90s already with the 91s) would probably not be cost effective today as there are already "suitable" (and I cannot stress those speech marks enough) replacements for the HSTs, in the form of a metal green sausage with glorified ironing boards for seats. Thank you for taking the time to comment tho, enjoy your day:)
@@TheAntisocialTrain I accept that it probably won’t happen but surely to scrap the many Inter7City and Castle sets so soon after their introduction and buy new trains must be much more expensive than what I proposed (unless there are suitable modern units in storage).
I was thinking today about what capable trains Voyager DEMUs are, apart from the fact that they smell strongly of toilets. Amazing that the manufacturer was not forced to sort it, can’t be rocket science!
@@Martindyna of course, and I had the same pondering myself. Simply put the Castles and Inter7Citys were meant to be lasting far longer than they have (well, the castles at least). Circumstances changed however and certain higher ups want them gone. However they aren't all being scrapped. Some ex-GWR powercars have been exported to Mexico (and look pretty dang great) to improve services over there. Granted, not all of us here will make a trip to Mexico specifically to see the HSTs again. In addition, it all comes down to a cost-benefit analysis. I can't provide figures to back up this point. In fact this is mostly skeptical and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I assume there is an official somewhere who has figured out that buying new units would be cheaper in the long run (and you know the DFT - any chance to save money they'll take) than keeping the HSTs in service. I completely agree with your point on the voyagers, they have potential. I especially agree with your comment about the smell. They don't stop here in Bridgwater, but zoom through at 90-100mph and even still the smell lingers. But crosscountry will be refurbishing these units soon as part of their contract renewal so hopefully that problem gets solved.
Great short! I wanna ride a class 43 one day
Unfortunately they won't be around for much longer. If you want to be on a GWR hst or the cross-country ones, be quick as there's plans for withdrawal. I don't know about ScotRails however
Thank you very much for the feedback!
@@TheAntisocialTrain I believe Scotrail are replacing the HSTs with Meridians coming from EMR
What's EMR gonna use for their services then?
@@TheAntisocialTrain Class 810s they are grttibg
@@TheAntisocialTrainwhy did GWR bother refurbishing them only to get rid of them so soon? I guess they needed to have toilets that didn't flush on the track, but it seems like a waste of a refurbishment
Would of course be even better had the traction motors been regeared for 160 km/h operation like the XPT. Good enough though !
This can go 250kmh
@@Roman-LW16_24 These sets are limited to 100 mph due to having only 4 carriages ref reduced available brake force.
Shut the door??
This was filmed in the summer. Must've felt hot.
Door of drive is open?
must've felt warm. don't know how this was in the winter