Wolverine, wether mental or physical... WILL NEVER fucking stop being Marvels punching bag. between this and weapon x. Wolverine is one of the most scared heroes in the marvel universe. I feel for him. A man out of place, and time, just trying to figure out what in the fuck is going on. And being misunderstood the whole time because of his abrasive personality. Just my take on it.
Wolverine... never it seems. But I JUST watched the video on Breaker Hulk becoming Galactus' Herald; in which case he wipes his memory clean. So in at least one story, Banner does finally get peace is would seem.
Laura came off as really judge mental and hypocritical when she fought Logan. She knows just what it's like to be forced and turned into a mass murdering weapon which is what happened to Logan in his timeline. And she knows that it was the tranq's that they shot him with that made him go berserk and kill gabby. She even brought that up to cap in the same issue. But then she calls him a perversion and an animal and basically abandons him instead of helping like he did to her. What the hell was that?
she also defended the old man to cap saying it was all shield fault also her more important thing to her was keeping gabby safe as old man logan is obsessed with his future
What's good with X-23 is her solid storyline, it's really dark and mature, she is her own thing but manage to build a connection with Wolverine. Having her take the mantle of Wolverine is honorific for what Logan represents in the X Universe, there's no replacement per se. This is not a gender switch but a legacy. Hopefully, they will keep the character as grounded as it started.
She was trained pretty much day one to be a precision killer. And then spent most of her life doing just that. Logan may have more experience but his skills isn't quite as honed as X-23s is.
AmadeusL Experience means a lot more than training in a fight. Not to mention that Logan should have plenty of training especially one as old as Old Man Logan.
Yeah but you have to remember, he went 30 years without fighting. And even when he came back during Secret Wars, he didn't fight in the same way he used to. He might have more experience, but he's still rusty lol
I get that he'd be rusty, but 30 years is not that long of a time for someone who has 200 years of fighting experience, and how long did he stay in that universe after killing The Hulk? Was he there for Galactus destroying the Earth? If so wouldn't that add another presumably 500 years of experience under his belt? Even if he wasn't there for that long, how long did he stay behind to raise The Hulk's son? Honestly I'm not that knowledgeable about Wolverine, especially this version of him so this is all guesswork on my part. If we add in the physics of it Wolverine weighs in at around 300 pounds right? X-23 looks like 115 soaking wet, add in adamantium she's maybe around 135-140. That's half of his weight. I weigh 210 pounds and I've spent quite a bit of time in the gym and in MMA. I'm going to assume they have similar fighting styles due to the claws though Wolverine is more of a brawler and she's probably more of a Kick Boxer or Muy Thai style fighter. If a girl who was 115 pounds tried to fight me without a weapon she's going to lose no doubt about it even if she is a more skilled fighter. That's just the way the world works. They have stiletto daggers on their fists, but they also have healing factors. Wolverine is also not a slow, lumbering brute as far as I know. I'll definitely give the speed advantage to her though. He's going to hit with much more than twice as much force as her though due to the difference in muscle density between men and women. If we consider that there is a limit to their healing factors as I believe you previously mentioned in another video this is going to be a war of attrition. And in a war of attrition, I have full confidence in Wolverine coming out on top because he's going to take less damage than her in every exchange. His experience and his fighting style will also probably help him with conserving energy while she is going to expend a lot with hit and run tactics that are going to be largely negligible due to the healing factors and lack of damage she'll inflict unless she's deeply stabbing him every time. Any time he hits her she's going to feel like she took a swing from Giancarlo Stanton's bat. So I can't see X-23 being able to beat him in a straight up fight without comic logic, plot armor, or some outside force coming into play. Sorry for the essay, it's because I'm interested in this topic.
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TheAnimationStation /TAS the adamantium protect his body without getting Rotten, so logan is still fresh inside the adamantium. adamantium is industructible by physical force, there is always a way in their world.
LucielZ1 which one specifically? Her pre-Secret wars costume, when she was in All-New X-Men and the Wolverines, was awesome, and her X-Force one was scary when wearing the mask
I loved that last panel you showed from this story! gabby is supposed to be 8 yrs old or something and is threatening Logan like a psychokiller. Pretty intense and dark humor for sure lol
decades of experience in a decaying body usually results in a fighter learning to move less. It looks like she is fast, agile, light, and extremely skilled. she can keep up with, maybe even anticipate his actions. her youth also gives her the boundless energy advantage.
MageKirby What I would like to know is what happened the x-23's third claw? Because she did have one on her feet and then it just kind of disappeared, I probably just missed a story where that was explained or something.
Say what you want guys, but x23 is quickly becoming my fav hero. I love the all new wolverine, I hope the continue to expand on her character and make her a staple.
Wolverine and Sabertooth are supposed to be able to sense and resist mind control. That's one of their things. They made it too easy for Logan to be controlled.
newy zed It's the color scheme for me. When John Byrne to over the Uncanny X-Men in the 80's he chanced Wolverine's color scheme from yellow and blue, to brown & gold. to me John Byrne's color correction made the suit look much cooler. I hate they keep going with the yellow & blue instead of John Byrne's version.
ShadowKosmos This is the same bullshit that's happening in DC and also on TV. Writers are trying to cater to female millennials and women in general. So they push this crappy girl power undertone in everything they do to attract females to a medium that is mostly made up of males. Every female character superhero has been made into a Mary Sue (I know, I know, it sounds sexist).... notice how all female counterparts are literally written to be better at everything than their male versions. This was famously illustrated in Rey's character from Star Wars. And I love Star Wars and the actress too! But I hated the lazy writing full of pushy girl power undertones. I mean, the fighting: wolverine weighs three times what x-23 weighs. That alone should stop the discussion.... look at any MMA fight. But it's fantasy, so they can do whatever they wish. And it's true, women NEED this push forward in society as much as possible. Too many years being stomped by men, it's true. However, bad writing and agendas overriding good stories are terrible, and this is what the writing community (in all its facets) is forced to do nowadays. Sadness.
Also, one of gabby's sisters is still alive. She just left as part of a deal for them getting help to kill their creators/tormentors. She actually went with Kimura who is one of X-23's villains.
A correction: X23 and Gabby don't go to Old Man Logan's home (he doesn't have a home in 616 because he's come to the conclusion that anyone around him is in danger from 'his' (or more accurately 616 Logan's) enemies). They take him back to their apartment to heal after saving him from the stomach of Fin Fang Foom. I'm surprised you made that mistake given that you show the panel where Laura tells Logan "This is *my* home" in the video. It is true, however, that Logan recognises their apartment as the one he raised Laura in in his own time line.
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She found her own self in her solo series a long ass time ago. That was the entire point of her run. Then she took the mantle of Wolverine in the new series because you know...he died, he's technically her adoptive father ever since they met and she wanted to honor him. Daken did it to piss off Wolverine in Dark Wolverine and no body complained. Laura does it and people complain when they don't read the books. >.> I wish instead of the Wolverine mask that it was a leather hoody with his colors. Pissed me off when she started dating Angel....I hate him, he was always the most useless X-man and uninteresting.
Love the videos, but you should have mentioned the scene where normal burglars try and rob Wolverine, Old Man Logan and Gabby. I laughed out loud at that.
I'll believe that X-23 beats Old Man Logan ONLY in Berserker mode, but let's not forget that even though he's RUSTY AF he still has CIA, FBI, & SHIELD Hand-To-Hand combat training along with MASTERY OF EVERY JAPANESE MARTIAL ARTS in history. If Logan was in the right mind, he would've called upon that experience and stomped her shit. He also has the Ultimate Fighting Style known as Canadian Martial Arts which is unbeatable
Haha, the one thing no one took into account. The fact that he was riddled with tranquilizer darts. "But it made him mad". I'm sorry, are you under some weird idea of that a chemical depressant actually does.
tranqs don't work properly on those with healing factors, especially a healing factor as good as wolverine's. They can work if the healing factor is worn down before the tranqs are used
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This may have been mentioned already (I have no intention to read 400+ comments), but x23 and gabby were not on the run from shield. That is x23's apartment and they had just saved old man Logan from inside fing fang foom on behalf of shield. Coincidentally, that apartment is the same one old man Logan lived in with her in his dimension. But this is earth 616, her apartment, and they weren't on the run from anyone at that time.
Stuff like this is why i bailed out of comics. Every few years they have to completely nuke everything we loved beforehand just to make it "fresh" when it really just shows a lack of ability to write more effective characters. Why X-23 couldn't just continue being who she is as a strong female character & why we had to kill off the Wolverine we all grew up with is truly beyond me. Perhaps I'm just out of touch on this, but you can revitalize characters and appeal to new audiences without carpet bombing everything the previous generation of fans held dear.
True, but apparently you cannot widen the range of readers without basically switching the major characters from Marvel for women, non-Caucasian characters or both things. ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
Austin S : I'm not at all against diversity. But substituting estabilished, beloved characters with a bunch of racebent replacements, for the sake of publicity (Disney can't give a fuck about racial diversity, they are just trying to push sales by widening the number of potential readers and using the controversy as a publiciy stunt), while at the same time keeping the names, is pretty lazy. Were they really good, they would come up with legit new character with a multietnical background and make them as popular as the estabilished ones. Good writing made minor characters like Daredevil and Iron Man into major ones in the last 20 years. They can introduce new, racially diverse characters and do the very same, without the need to replace all of the existing characters in such a dumb, obvious fashion. Just replacing Cap with Falcon, a black hero, Wolverine with a girl, Spiderman with an afro-latin character, Thor with a woman, Hulk with Amadeus Cho, an asian guy, Ms. Marvel with a muslim girl, possibily Iron Man with a chinese man, all at the same time, is not keeping it diverse, it's just lazy writing and faux, hypocritical political correctness for the easy publicity.
Shendue Thats exactly how I feel with this stuff. Diversity is fine, but it's counter-productive to have that be the main focus and not the quality of the writing.
Austin S : True. It's even worse to see how they actually have some fine writers on those series. I don't usually judge stuff I don't read, therefore I gave those series a look and the stories are actually pretty good, therefore it's not like they lacked good writers to push new characters' popularity. It's just lazy choices and taking the easy way to sales instead of making something more interesting. Wasted potential (which, in my opinion, is a way worse crime then publishing just plain bad stuff).
Raden Truman Yeah, someone like Mysterio would be a nightmare for someone with superhuman senses like Wolvie or Daredevil who are used to trusting their other senses. Mysterio would have to make a mistake or they would have to be aware of his threat to have a chance.
Facts, the only reason Spidy beats him so much is because of spider-sense. Remember spider-sense is a sense to danger, even villians out of his leauge cant beat him and its so strong it actually predicted convergence
ya know what's really stupid? that they held back against wolvey. I'm sorry but if you go into a rage trying to kill everyone and you can regenerate from virtually anything. I'm either blasting or tossing your ass into the nearest mountain. He's wolverine he'll heal and presumably have had the illusion wear off.
New Nexus I think that part actually makes sense. Half the X-Men pretty much had their Xavier Protocol be Wolverine kills them meaning they are very vulnerable to his skills and power set. Given preparation they stood a chance, but not in a situation where they are disorganized and stubble on your buddies entrails, then one of the most lethal killers in the Marvel universe is trying to carve a piece out of you with lethal precision. Pretty much nobody on the X-Team could handle that no matter how powerful or skilled on paper. I'm not surprised that the X-Men were killed, but I am surprised given the wide range of abilities and number of telepaths on the team that not one was able to sense and deal with Mysterio. as the situation might be the worst nightmare for Wolvie, but shouldn't be for the X-Men. That also isn't a very good plan for getting rid of the X-Men either. There are dozens of ways to do that and it would have been smarter to get Wolvie out of the way and then do one of those plans. It should have been a multi stage plan. I buy that as part of a mid level villain scheme that just worked out perfectly, but pretty half assed for someone on the level of Red Skull as it is way too simplistic and with so many ops going at once it would have only taken a few to fall through to cause a major setback if not derail things altogether.
ComicsExplained My favourite is Slain the Horned God how about some 2000AD on this chanell have you read miracle man technically he is a marvel character.Maybe add some UK flavour.
I'll be honest, old Man Logan sounds cool but I miss the original Logan aka Wolverine. There was something about him that really made him so relate-able.
Yah i definitely dont trusy gabby. U cant keep secrets and manipulate heroes behind other heros backs. It gets u killed fast in comics. I like where this story is going cant wait to see whats gonna happen if it transitions to Marvel Now. Rob atleast share some ideas u might have for your own comic book. It would be an interesting video to see your thought process on where u might take a story. I want a video of u just fleshing out some ideas for comics u would want to write. Rather it be a completely nee super hero with an all new landscape or if its a new hero in marvel or Dc or even if u could write a story for an existing character. Lets get the thinking train moving.
oh damn I was just about to comment on a different video that you should do some Legacy characters vs Next Gen characters and then this was posted. Of course some don't make sense but I'm curious on what you think of Jane Foster vs Odinson or Robbie Reyes vs Johnny Blaze or even Amadeus Cho vs She Hulk and etc.
Curious of the image people in these last days of Wolverine. Just adding a little info here. Wolverine even with adamantium is a formidable agile and quick fighter, in de Claremont run (the best run so far in my opinion of Wolverine), you can find lots of fights that indicate he moves a lot around and is high on his feet, also he (at least used to) thinks several steps ahead when fighting someone, can't recall on which comic was but Beat stated that he's mind was like a chess player when fighting someone in a non berserker state. Without the adamantium he was quicker and much more savage on the fights too, at least he would be as agile or more so than Laura or Daken. Now for Old Man Logan, he has lots of experience in fighting and at least on his original run, he had become much more brutal. PD. My personal rant about writers with Wolverine is that they started to make him go berserk for every fight, in every story, which kind of makes it a waste, why a guy that could beat Captain America on a one to one fight (depending on certain circumstances) would have to go berserk everytime :/
X23 has beat prime Logan twice in comics. First time in target x and second time in uncanny x men. Logan is fast and agile, sure. But Laura is ten times more than him.
It still angers me beyond belief that Marvel is trying to kill off 99.9% of the X-Men. Except for a few small changes, Marvel Comics is in shambles, a twisted wreck. If they don't fix the damage that they caused to themselves, then Marvel Comics will die off.
I don't care how popular X-23 is, I've hated her since her first appearance in X-Men Evolution. End of. I will always prefer original Wolvie, Logan, and never recognise Laura as the real wolverine. But Old Man Logan is freaking awesome!
Marvel took the best Wolverine, and shit on the character. The reboot of the MU was needed, but really confused and disappointed about some of the direction they took.
richardjohnson955 This is the same bullshit that's happening in DC and also on TV. Writers are trying to cater to female millennials and women in general. So they push this crappy girl power undertone in everything they do to attract females to a medium that is mostly made up of males. Every female character superhero has been made into a Mary Sue (I know, I know, it sounds sexist).... notice how all female counterparts are literally written to be better at everything than their male versions. I mean wolverine weighs three times what x-23 weighs. That alone should stop the discussion.... look at MMA fights. But it's fantasy, so they can do whatever they wish. And it's true, women NEED this push forward in society as much as possible. Too many years being stomped by men, it's true. However, bad writing and agendas overriding good stories are terrible, and this is what the writing community (in all its facets) is forced to do nowadays.. Sadness.
Because Marvel fucking hates wolverine. He's been the punching bag sense he was created. What they turned him into in the X-Men cartoon was almost pathetic.
Written by "a guy named Mark Millar". That's funny. Like A Mark Millar comes along everyday. Just some regular old dude. Millaris a living legend. IMHO
rob normally you sound knowledgable but to say that because x-23 is a better fighter than wolverine when it is quite obvious she is faster and only faster wolverine has been fighting for CENTURIES, he requires no thought instant action and oh yeah she's only a half clone with broken DNA. he's forgotten more about combat than she will ever know,ever...opinions are one thing but this is just fact. luv the Chanel though keep up the good work
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why do they always make Wolverine a wimp. Old man Logan was the first Storey that he was actually a capable fighter he defeats the Hulk and he survives against the superhero zombies but as soon as he Returns in the main Universe he gets the s*** kicked out of him by the all-new Hulk then X23.He has been used to put over other heroes for years the best their is at what he does is a joke.I think since Alen More wrote the Cyber madripoor storey where he gets defeated then returns to prevail this formula has been rinsed and repeated.I much prefer brown wolverine the storeys where he has just joined the xmen he is dangerous and wild a match for the hulk black panther almost kills Spider-Man in Russia the good old days.
DUBSDADEVILL it's not that he's a wimp, x-23 is just that good. When she first met wolverine(original one)half way through the fight she countered his healing factor by obstructing the wounds with gravel so it couldn't heal, and made him realize unless he goes all out she'll kill him and she still kicked his ass. Logan always fought like a berserker Laura fights tactically, outsmart her opponent, and heals a lot faster
carlos gutierrez My point is wolverine almost always loses his fights.During the xforce he is hit once by the bull looking horseman of the apocalypse just before the child Apocalypse is killed.During Hickmans I Infinity arc he is speared almost instantly by the female Lieutenant of Thanos.During avenger vs xmen he gets knocked out the quinjet by Antman.Hulk smashes his brains to pulp in world war hulk. Before he died he was defeated by a Iron fist trained Spider-Man.Black Panther even turned his back on him berated him then defeated him.Deadpool debut is kicking wolverine ass.I love wolverine but can't understand why you would write one of the most popular characters probably top five characters like this.Would Batman ever get his ads kicked so frequently.
daniel dragotti My point exactly wolverine is constantly used to illustrate how strong another character is.Hardly in his storeys is he the best their is at what he does.
Damn now Im confused, Im reading the old man logan 2016 comic and hes currently in japan looking for lady deathstrike. So did this happen before old logan leaves to japan ?
WAIT WAIT WAIT @ 7:00 on the left side middle bubble that girls name is ZELDA! XD 😂😂 I'm done. Its fun how people keep saying "what did they do to you" to old man logan
Wolverine, wether mental or physical... WILL NEVER fucking stop being Marvels punching bag. between this and weapon x. Wolverine is one of the most scared heroes in the marvel universe. I feel for him. A man out of place, and time, just trying to figure out what in the fuck is going on. And being misunderstood the whole time because of his abrasive personality. Just my take on it.
Wodinn I wonder if there is a story where old Logan is at peace.
Him and Bruce Banner. The saddest characters in Marvel.
Wolverine... never it seems. But I JUST watched the video on Breaker Hulk becoming Galactus' Herald; in which case he wipes his memory clean. So in at least one story, Banner does finally get peace is would seem.
Laura came off as really judge mental and hypocritical when she fought Logan. She knows just what it's like to be forced and turned into a mass murdering weapon which is what happened to Logan in his timeline. And she knows that it was the tranq's that they shot him with that made him go berserk and kill gabby. She even brought that up to cap in the same issue. But then she calls him a perversion and an animal and basically abandons him instead of helping like he did to her. What the hell was that?
Paulino Cruz lol true pretty messed up
I agree, I just feel like marvel prefer to fuck wolverine any chance the writers get.
Paulino Cruz true af
she also defended the old man to cap saying it was all shield fault also her more important thing to her was keeping gabby safe as old man logan is obsessed with his future
chris hollingsworth yea I know I said that already
What's good with X-23 is her solid storyline, it's really dark and mature, she is her own thing but manage to build a connection with Wolverine. Having her take the mantle of Wolverine is honorific for what Logan represents in the X Universe, there's no replacement per se.
This is not a gender switch but a legacy. Hopefully, they will keep the character as grounded as it started.
I think she she had the only sane response to civil war 2, I love this series and hope she stays wolverine for a while
daniel dragotti it's like she is copping wolverine acting like she is the first wolverine
It really doesn't make sense that X-23 would be a better fighter than a non-berserk Wolverine, wouldn't he have decades of fighting experience on her?
She was trained pretty much day one to be a precision killer. And then spent most of her life doing just that. Logan may have more experience but his skills isn't quite as honed as X-23s is.
AmadeusL Experience means a lot more than training in a fight. Not to mention that Logan should have plenty of training especially one as old as Old Man Logan.
Yeah but you have to remember, he went 30 years without fighting. And even when he came back during Secret Wars, he didn't fight in the same way he used to. He might have more experience, but he's still rusty lol
I get that he'd be rusty, but 30 years is not that long of a time for someone who has 200 years of fighting experience, and how long did he stay in that universe after killing The Hulk? Was he there for Galactus destroying the Earth? If so wouldn't that add another presumably 500 years of experience under his belt? Even if he wasn't there for that long, how long did he stay behind to raise The Hulk's son? Honestly I'm not that knowledgeable about Wolverine, especially this version of him so this is all guesswork on my part. If we add in the physics of it Wolverine weighs in at around 300 pounds right? X-23 looks like 115 soaking wet, add in adamantium she's maybe around 135-140. That's half of his weight. I weigh 210 pounds and I've spent quite a bit of time in the gym and in MMA. I'm going to assume they have similar fighting styles due to the claws though Wolverine is more of a brawler and she's probably more of a Kick Boxer or Muy Thai style fighter. If a girl who was 115 pounds tried to fight me without a weapon she's going to lose no doubt about it even if she is a more skilled fighter. That's just the way the world works. They have stiletto daggers on their fists, but they also have healing factors. Wolverine is also not a slow, lumbering brute as far as I know. I'll definitely give the speed advantage to her though. He's going to hit with much more than twice as much force as her though due to the difference in muscle density between men and women. If we consider that there is a limit to their healing factors as I believe you previously mentioned in another video this is going to be a war of attrition. And in a war of attrition, I have full confidence in Wolverine coming out on top because he's going to take less damage than her in every exchange. His experience and his fighting style will also probably help him with conserving energy while she is going to expend a lot with hit and run tactics that are going to be largely negligible due to the healing factors and lack of damage she'll inflict unless she's deeply stabbing him every time. Any time he hits her she's going to feel like she took a swing from Giancarlo Stanton's bat. So I can't see X-23 being able to beat him in a straight up fight without comic logic, plot armor, or some outside force coming into play. Sorry for the essay, it's because I'm interested in this topic.
It's not like riding a bike. You don't practice piano for 30years and any 10yo prodigy would play way better than you
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I like X-23 and all but like, I just want classic Logan back.
unless marvel pulls a convoluted story arc into the mix, because wolverine lost his healing factor, and is now incased in adamantium
as long as the dead body is here, he will come back
xiao junhao no, that won't happen, plus he lost his healing factor remember, and adamantium is indestructible
TheAnimationStation /TAS the adamantium protect his body without getting Rotten, so logan is still fresh inside the adamantium. adamantium is industructible by physical force, there is always a way in their world.
xiao junhao did you not know, he choked to death, he lost his healing factor
I will always love X-23. She was the reason why I got into comics.
great work as usual. Never thought I would be a fan of x-23. Turns out I really enjoy the character and the storyline
X-23 is a true successor
X-23 is a great characte by herself, no need to turn her into wolverine.
The X-23 costume was amazing.
LucielZ1 which one specifically? Her pre-Secret wars costume, when she was in All-New X-Men and the Wolverines, was awesome, and her X-Force one was scary when wearing the mask
the same i felt for silk... doesn't mean she need to be the next spidey..
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I loved that last panel you showed from this story! gabby is supposed to be 8 yrs old or something and is threatening Logan like a psychokiller. Pretty intense and dark humor for sure lol
decades of experience in a decaying body usually results in a fighter learning to move less. It looks like she is fast, agile, light, and extremely skilled. she can keep up with, maybe even anticipate his actions. her youth also gives her the boundless energy advantage.
Loved it! Your videos are awesome, thanks for your hard work! Top knotch!
3 claws, 2 claws, and 1 claw
Pretty much my thought on this whole thing.
MageKirby What I would like to know is what happened the x-23's third claw? Because she did have one on her feet and then it just kind of disappeared, I probably just missed a story where that was explained or something.
It's still there. She just doesn't use it much.
Then there would be one with invisible claws. @_@
She only ever uses her foot claw when she kicks...for the kill.
I love X-23, period, there is nothing else to say, she is a fantastic character overall
Say what you want guys, but x23 is quickly becoming my fav hero. I love the all new wolverine, I hope the continue to expand on her character and make her a staple.
I would take a Hulk raised by Wolverine over Amadeus Cho easily
RandomPath Yea or even skaarf son of hulk
Man I wish I had more money to keep up with comics right now
Wolverine and Sabertooth are supposed to be able to sense and resist mind control. That's one of their things. They made it too easy for Logan to be controlled.
At 13:05 we both simultaneously burped. It threw me way off so I had to run it back twice
I like that X23 is Wolverine. It's one of the few things in ANAD Marvel I like.
I think she should have designed her own unique outfit and not one that is inspired by the classic Wolverine look, cut, colours etc.
newy zed
It's the color scheme for me.
When John Byrne to over the Uncanny X-Men in the 80's he chanced Wolverine's color scheme from yellow and blue, to brown & gold.
to me John Byrne's color correction made the suit look much cooler.
I hate they keep going with the yellow & blue instead of John Byrne's version.
John Carter i prefer the brown/gold costume as well
Bryan Lara
I know right.
The Very Hungry Caterpie I Only Like Ghost Rider, Deadpool, Spiderman(Miles), Deadpool And Spiderman And X-23
I don't understand the hate for X-23 as Wolverine. I always loved her, even before she was the new Wolverine. She's now than capable.
or it could be seen as a father passing on the torch to his daughter
ShadowKosmos She's better for taking the mantel over She-Thor. Jane's Backstory of becoming She-Thor is stupid
I don't hate her I just feel she's to good or is trying to be to good
ShadowKosmos This is the same bullshit that's happening in DC and also on TV. Writers are trying to cater to female millennials and women in general. So they push this crappy girl power undertone in everything they do to attract females to a medium that is mostly made up of males. Every female character superhero has been made into a Mary Sue (I know, I know, it sounds sexist).... notice how all female counterparts are literally written to be better at everything than their male versions. This was famously illustrated in Rey's character from Star Wars. And I love Star Wars and the actress too! But I hated the lazy writing full of pushy girl power undertones. I mean, the fighting: wolverine weighs three times what x-23 weighs. That alone should stop the discussion.... look at any MMA fight. But it's fantasy, so they can do whatever they wish. And it's true, women NEED this push forward in society as much as possible. Too many years being stomped by men, it's true. However, bad writing and agendas overriding good stories are terrible, and this is what the writing community (in all its facets) is forced to do nowadays. Sadness.
My two cents she was cloned to be superior to wolverine in the first place and this Wolverine way past his prime...
Getting rid of the 616 Logan is saddening, but bringing in Old Man Logan really deepens the character and the role he plays in the Marvel Universe.
If the original Wolverine didn't get a shitty death, X-23 taking his place would sit better with me. But nah....miss original Wolverine
RaginDXDemon there is already a bio thing on her
How did he die?
Who is Old Man Logan, then?
no he can't as he needs to breath to live
You clearly are one of those people who got into comics because it became "cool". The death they gave logan was a great way for him to die.
Also, one of gabby's sisters is still alive. She just left as part of a deal for them getting help to kill their creators/tormentors. She actually went with Kimura who is one of X-23's villains.
I can't even keep up with all of these video's. I find myself binge-watching on Saturdays to catch up!
A correction: X23 and Gabby don't go to Old Man Logan's home (he doesn't have a home in 616 because he's come to the conclusion that anyone around him is in danger from 'his' (or more accurately 616 Logan's) enemies). They take him back to their apartment to heal after saving him from the stomach of Fin Fang Foom.
I'm surprised you made that mistake given that you show the panel where Laura tells Logan "This is *my* home" in the video.
It is true, however, that Logan recognises their apartment as the one he raised Laura in in his own time line.
13:42 lol. "You're my interdimensional dystopian future grandpa" aww
If an X-23 movie was ever made, Mila Kunis would be perfect for the role. They could be twins.
Thanks for the uploads. Also woo! Old Man Logan
OMG, that ending, Gabby looks so sweet an adorable, yet evil, then back to an adorable "bye!!!"
kool im trying to get back into comics whats a really good place to start cool video love the content really appreciate your time and effort thanks and peace
I just want x23 to find her own name, she is not Wolverine she is not Logan
UncleJackOnline well she technically is she's a clone
She found her own self in her solo series a long ass time ago. That was the entire point of her run. Then she took the mantle of Wolverine in the new series because you know...he died, he's technically her adoptive father ever since they met and she wanted to honor him. Daken did it to piss off Wolverine in Dark Wolverine and no body complained. Laura does it and people complain when they don't read the books. >.> I wish instead of the Wolverine mask that it was a leather hoody with his colors.
Pissed me off when she started dating Angel....I hate him, he was always the most useless X-man and uninteresting.
Nobody's gonna say anything about Rob doing his best Rick impression at 13:05? 😂
Love the videos, but you should have mentioned the scene where normal burglars try and rob Wolverine, Old Man Logan and Gabby. I laughed out loud at that.
I love how Everytime he talks about X23's origins he always fails to mention she originally came from X-Men Evolution.
13:36 Lol Gabby tells Old Man Logan _"You're my interdimensional Dystopian future Grandpa"_
dude you got a very cool narrative voice. keep it up
Glad you did Vol. 2, BUT I cannot believe you skipped the whole story with Squirrel Girl and Gabby's adorable pet Jonathan!
I LOVE your videos, man!
it'd be cool if we got X-23 as wolverine, instead of generic teen no 4694 as person with claws and yellow suit.
X Men Forever!
X-23 and comics with Deadpool are the only ones that are any good right now in marvel
i really need to get the comics around this im happy they are carrying on old man logan story
I'll believe that X-23 beats Old Man Logan ONLY in Berserker mode, but let's not forget that even though he's RUSTY AF he still has CIA, FBI, & SHIELD Hand-To-Hand combat training along with MASTERY OF EVERY JAPANESE MARTIAL ARTS in history. If Logan was in the right mind, he would've called upon that experience and stomped her shit. He also has the Ultimate Fighting Style known as Canadian Martial Arts which is unbeatable
RJ Foyles but can he swim?
@@jewelsvermin8866 Probably too heavy.
Can't Reed just find a cure for his berserk rage or have OP Frank Richard's rewrite Logans brain
TreeckotheRebel do you think Logan would let them?
TreeckotheRebel aren't they both basically the new one above all after secret wars? outside existence
Romulus Numa
I mean you can't do you anything if you're knocked out.
Well yeah she's holding her own 100 tranqs does that to you
Haha, the one thing no one took into account. The fact that he was riddled with tranquilizer darts. "But it made him mad". I'm sorry, are you under some weird idea of that a chemical depressant actually does.
BaresarkSlayne
BaresarkSlayne he's healing factor and the tranqs probably fucked him up his body trying to fight it
tranqs don't work properly on those with healing factors, especially a healing factor as good as wolverine's. They can work if the healing factor is worn down before the tranqs are used
hey rob love your stuff man but we need the next history of marvel video
X-23 is cool and all but there is only one wolverine and in anad James Howlett appears very briefly in Avengers: Standoff
Hey Rob, awesome video. Any info on the background music in this video?
Just want to say, I look forward to watching your videos everyday. I'm watching all your videos and liking them.
I like that you're talking more about dc.
What's your favourite story?
Dope video as always!
could u please do more wolvorine stuff? the ones that he kicks ass in? tnx a lot love ur channel
Rob great music choice.
This may have been mentioned already (I have no intention to read 400+ comments), but x23 and gabby were not on the run from shield. That is x23's apartment and they had just saved old man Logan from inside fing fang foom on behalf of shield. Coincidentally, that apartment is the same one old man Logan lived in with her in his dimension. But this is earth 616, her apartment, and they weren't on the run from anyone at that time.
Great explanations! Thanks!
Stuff like this is why i bailed out of comics. Every few years they have to completely nuke everything we loved beforehand just to make it "fresh" when it really just shows a lack of ability to write more effective characters.
Why X-23 couldn't just continue being who she is as a strong female character & why we had to kill off the Wolverine we all grew up with is truly beyond me.
Perhaps I'm just out of touch on this, but you can revitalize characters and appeal to new audiences without carpet bombing everything the previous generation of fans held dear.
True, but apparently you cannot widen the range of readers without basically switching the major characters from Marvel for women, non-Caucasian characters or both things. ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
You gotta keep it diverse, screw the original "racist" continuity....
Austin S
: I'm not at all against diversity. But substituting estabilished, beloved characters with a bunch of racebent replacements, for the sake of publicity (Disney can't give a fuck about racial diversity, they are just trying to push sales by widening the number of potential readers and using the controversy as a publiciy stunt), while at the same time keeping the names, is pretty lazy.
Were they really good, they would come up with legit new character with a multietnical background and make them as popular as the estabilished ones.
Good writing made minor characters like Daredevil and Iron Man into major ones in the last 20 years. They can introduce new, racially diverse characters and do the very same, without the need to replace all of the existing characters in such a dumb, obvious fashion.
Just replacing Cap with Falcon, a black hero, Wolverine with a girl, Spiderman with an afro-latin character, Thor with a woman, Hulk with Amadeus Cho, an asian guy, Ms. Marvel with a muslim girl, possibily Iron Man with a chinese man, all at the same time, is not keeping it diverse, it's just lazy writing and faux, hypocritical political correctness for the easy publicity.
Shendue Thats exactly how I feel with this stuff. Diversity is fine, but it's counter-productive to have that be the main focus and not the quality of the writing.
Austin S
: True. It's even worse to see how they actually have some fine writers on those series. I don't usually judge stuff I don't read, therefore I gave those series a look and the stories are actually pretty good, therefore it's not like they lacked good writers to push new characters' popularity. It's just lazy choices and taking the easy way to sales instead of making something more interesting.
Wasted potential (which, in my opinion, is a way worse crime then publishing just plain bad stuff).
shouldnt wolverine have been able to smell the xmen and thus not attacked?
Raden Truman Yeah, someone like Mysterio would be a nightmare for someone with superhuman senses like Wolvie or Daredevil who are used to trusting their other senses. Mysterio would have to make a mistake or they would have to be aware of his threat to have a chance.
Yup old school mysterio only messed with eyes so Dardevil went after him ,but he is more improved now and I don't think Dardevil could handle him now.
Facts, the only reason Spidy beats him so much is because of spider-sense. Remember spider-sense is a sense to danger, even villians out of his leauge cant beat him and its so strong it actually predicted convergence
ya know what's really stupid? that they held back against wolvey. I'm sorry but if you go into a rage trying to kill everyone and you can regenerate from virtually anything. I'm either blasting or tossing your ass into the nearest mountain. He's wolverine he'll heal and presumably have had the illusion wear off.
New Nexus I think that part actually makes sense. Half the X-Men pretty much had their Xavier Protocol be Wolverine kills them meaning they are very vulnerable to his skills and power set. Given preparation they stood a chance, but not in a situation where they are disorganized and stubble on your buddies entrails, then one of the most lethal killers in the Marvel universe is trying to carve a piece out of you with lethal precision. Pretty much nobody on the X-Team could handle that no matter how powerful or skilled on paper. I'm not surprised that the X-Men were killed, but I am surprised given the wide range of abilities and number of telepaths on the team that not one was able to sense and deal with Mysterio. as the situation might be the worst nightmare for Wolvie, but shouldn't be for the X-Men.
That also isn't a very good plan for getting rid of the X-Men either. There are dozens of ways to do that and it would have been smarter to get Wolvie out of the way and then do one of those plans. It should have been a multi stage plan. I buy that as part of a mid level villain scheme that just worked out perfectly, but pretty half assed for someone on the level of Red Skull as it is way too simplistic and with so many ops going at once it would have only taken a few to fall through to cause a major setback if not derail things altogether.
Old man logan story is just so 🔥🔥
Great video and explanations
hey there, CE good stuff. can you please tell me the name of the first track in the start of the video?? really appreciate it. thank you.
I'm new to comic, and I really like this series
love these videos
I LOVE all original comics. I hate when storylines and characters are replaced, but SURPRISINGLY, I REALLY like X-23. I'm hyped for "Logan."
Rob what's your favourite comic
The Sentry by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee.
ComicsExplained mine is dead pool Draculas gauntlets
ComicsExplained My favourite is Slain the Horned God how about some 2000AD on this chanell have you read miracle man technically he is a marvel character.Maybe add some UK flavour.
Sentry was good?
I'll be honest, old Man Logan sounds cool but I miss the original Logan aka Wolverine. There was something about him that really made him so relate-able.
X-23 is just that good.
All new Wolverine is so much better then the Old Man Logan comic. There are so many retcons in Oldman Logan
Yah i definitely dont trusy gabby. U cant keep secrets and manipulate heroes behind other heros backs. It gets u killed fast in comics. I like where this story is going cant wait to see whats gonna happen if it transitions to Marvel Now. Rob atleast share some ideas u might have for your own comic book. It would be an interesting video to see your thought process on where u might take a story. I want a video of u just fleshing out some ideas for comics u would want to write. Rather it be a completely nee super hero with an all new landscape or if its a new hero in marvel or Dc or even if u could write a story for an existing character. Lets get the thinking train moving.
Hey, can you share with me the correct order of videos to watch for civil war 2? Please
oh damn I was just about to comment on a different video that you should do some Legacy characters vs Next Gen characters and then this was posted.
Of course some don't make sense but I'm curious on what you think of Jane Foster vs Odinson or Robbie Reyes vs Johnny Blaze or even Amadeus Cho vs She Hulk and etc.
this was really great
Curious of the image people in these last days of Wolverine. Just adding a little info here. Wolverine even with adamantium is a formidable agile and quick fighter, in de Claremont run (the best run so far in my opinion of Wolverine), you can find lots of fights that indicate he moves a lot around and is high on his feet, also he (at least used to) thinks several steps ahead when fighting someone, can't recall on which comic was but Beat stated that he's mind was like a chess player when fighting someone in a non berserker state. Without the adamantium he was quicker and much more savage on the fights too, at least he would be as agile or more so than Laura or Daken. Now for Old Man Logan, he has lots of experience in fighting and at least on his original run, he had become much more brutal.
PD. My personal rant about writers with Wolverine is that they started to make him go berserk for every fight, in every story, which kind of makes it a waste, why a guy that could beat Captain America on a one to one fight (depending on certain circumstances) would have to go berserk everytime :/
X23 has beat prime Logan twice in comics. First time in target x and second time in uncanny x men. Logan is fast and agile, sure. But Laura is ten times more than him.
It still angers me beyond belief that Marvel is trying to kill off 99.9% of the X-Men. Except for a few small changes, Marvel Comics is in shambles, a twisted wreck. If they don't fix the damage that they caused to themselves, then Marvel Comics will die off.
Joshua Fogg Did you not hear about all the X titles that just got announced? Marvel are not killing off the X-Men.
I don't care how popular X-23 is, I've hated her since her first appearance in X-Men Evolution. End of. I will always prefer original Wolvie, Logan, and never recognise Laura as the real wolverine.
But Old Man Logan is freaking awesome!
Marvel took the best Wolverine, and shit on the character. The reboot of the MU was needed, but really confused and disappointed about some of the direction they took.
The word you need to learn is "legacy".
richardjohnson955 This is the same bullshit that's happening in DC and also on TV. Writers are trying to cater to female millennials and women in general. So they push this crappy girl power undertone in everything they do to attract females to a medium that is mostly made up of males. Every female character superhero has been made into a Mary Sue (I know, I know, it sounds sexist).... notice how all female counterparts are literally written to be better at everything than their male versions. I mean wolverine weighs three times what x-23 weighs. That alone should stop the discussion.... look at MMA fights. But it's fantasy, so they can do whatever they wish. And it's true, women NEED this push forward in society as much as possible. Too many years being stomped by men, it's true. However, bad writing and agendas overriding good stories are terrible, and this is what the writing community (in all its facets) is forced to do nowadays.. Sadness.
Marco Neves being stomped by men is a bit much people underestimate the power women had in society even when they weren't seen as equal.
Because Marvel fucking hates wolverine. He's been the punching bag sense he was created. What they turned him into in the X-Men cartoon was almost pathetic.
"The Legend of the Super Bitch".
Written by "a guy named Mark Millar". That's funny. Like A Mark Millar comes along everyday. Just some regular old dude. Millaris a living legend. IMHO
Awesome story line!
rob normally you sound knowledgable but to say that because x-23 is a better fighter than wolverine when it is quite obvious she is faster and only faster wolverine has been fighting for CENTURIES, he requires no thought instant action and oh yeah she's only a half clone with broken DNA. he's forgotten more about combat than she will ever know,ever...opinions are one thing but this is just fact. luv the Chanel though keep up the good work
Peter Boyd sr. I think robs reasoning is that x-23 was better designed by weapon x because she is a later iteration of Logan
i can see that ...maybe i have phase-out anxiety .
So good! Can't wait for more :3
I don't know if I just missed it but how does old man Logan get transported into the main continuity?
what is the song at 10:34
alchemax...that's Miguel O'haras domain, yea? i wonder when we could get a All-New Wolverine/Spider-man 2099 team up!
Can you put the issues #s?
"logan satisfying his emotional needs" hahahaha rob you'r great.
This was awesome and give my better reason to buy these book now.
I love comics books but I don't want to buy them at a store. Is there a website where I can read all the cool comics stories that you have posted, they all seemed so cool. please help.
Bro good job
why do they always make Wolverine a wimp. Old man Logan was the first Storey that he was actually a capable fighter he defeats the Hulk and he survives against the superhero zombies but as soon as he Returns in the main Universe he gets the s*** kicked out of him by the all-new Hulk then X23.He has been used to put over other heroes for years the best their is at what he does is a joke.I think since Alen More wrote the Cyber madripoor storey where he gets defeated then returns to prevail this formula has been rinsed and repeated.I much prefer brown wolverine the storeys where he has just joined the xmen he is dangerous and wild a match for the hulk black panther almost kills Spider-Man in Russia the good old days.
DUBSDADEVILL it's not that he's a wimp, x-23 is just that good. When she first met wolverine(original one)half way through the fight she countered his healing factor by obstructing the wounds with gravel so it couldn't heal, and made him realize unless he goes all out she'll kill him and she still kicked his ass. Logan always fought like a berserker Laura fights tactically, outsmart her opponent, and heals a lot faster
DUBSDADEVILL also she bled him out which in turn made him a bit more easy to fight
carlos gutierrez My point is wolverine almost always loses his fights.During the xforce he is hit once by the bull looking horseman of the apocalypse just before the child Apocalypse is killed.During Hickmans I
Infinity arc he is speared almost instantly by the female Lieutenant of Thanos.During avenger vs xmen he gets knocked out the quinjet by Antman.Hulk smashes his brains to pulp in world war hulk. Before he died he was defeated by a Iron fist trained Spider-Man.Black Panther even turned his back on him berated him then defeated him.Deadpool debut is kicking wolverine ass.I love wolverine but can't understand why you would write one of the most popular characters probably top five characters like this.Would Batman ever get his ads kicked so frequently.
daniel dragotti My point exactly wolverine is constantly used to illustrate how strong another character is.Hardly in his storeys is he the best their is at what he does.
Also a reminder that this is "old" man Logan.
There are reasons why Doctor Strange has stated in that she'd be the greatest Wolverine.
I stopped at the "Gabby Killed" issue, but of course this super-innocent, sweetness and light little girl is in fact an Azula-level Evil Seed ^_^
We DO know why Cap is hydra. Is in the Steve Rogers Captain America issue 2
Yeah but Marvel said they were adding more info to the back story in the rest of the arc.
ComicsExplained didnt know. I think Steve Rogers Captain America is one of the best ANAD titles. Thanks for your videos man, I love your channel.
from what I heard it was the red skull fucking around with the cosmic cube and caps timeline is why he's a hydra agent
blackvial It was Kubik, the cosmic cube girl. She was manipulated by Red Skull to make Cap Hydra. When she made him young again, she made him Hydra...
Matias Carvalho
thank you
I can't wait to get a job sooooooooooo I can start but
Buying comics instead of watching them
I haven't read the comic yet, but does anyone else get a yandere vibe from gabby in that last page (16:49)?
Amazing story!
So is the same gaby in Logan's time? Do x23 and gaby not age?
Damn now Im confused, Im reading the old man logan 2016 comic and hes currently in japan looking for lady deathstrike. So did this happen before old logan leaves to japan ?
your channel is turning into something fantastic man.. I can't wait to see where this goes
I remember you saying that you read all the comments the 1st hour when will u finish infinate wars it's been a year since part one ?
When the movie comes out.
i feel like old man logan is the only comic series thats really going for marvel right now
WAIT WAIT WAIT @ 7:00 on the left side middle bubble that girls name is ZELDA! XD 😂😂 I'm done. Its fun how people keep saying "what did they do to you" to old man logan