I’m glad more ammo manufacturers are making this round, while it’s great having some of it be affordable for plinking, it would be nice if one of them would make some rounds at the higher velocities it’s supposed to be at. It’s like having all the manufacturers produce 10mm ammo with 40cal female FBI agent powder loads right now.
Yup to get 100% out of a cartridge you either have to reload, know someone who reloads, or go to boutique ammo manufacturers. Companies like buffalo bore, and underwood ammo sell 40 s&w loadings that outperform 10mm ammo! I get that not every loading needs to be a compressed load but c'mon.
Now you know how lovers of the 357 sig feel. Except everyone including Sig downloads it 100-200fps from original specs. At least underwood does it justice and even semi affordably.
@@elimanning6520 Only certain types of 5.7x28mm ammo are listed as "Armor Piercing" and that's SS190, L191, SB193.. SS197SR and Fiocchi Hyperformance are NOT
@@elimanning6520 Lol are you trolling me or something? The 40gr Speer Gold Dot before they SLOWED it down over 100 fps this year was hitting 1800 fps in the pistols. Many 40gr loadings from Elite, R&R Weapon Systems, are hitting 1800-1900+ fps. This ammo is watered down from the factory, and could easily support those velocities as the cartridge was intended. This is the same thing major manufacturers do with 10mm. They slow it down to barely about 40SW velocities, and then just hope users buy it never to chrono it and see how weak it is.
@@elimanning6520 Level III is RIFLE armor. Please show me the video. There's no rifle rated armor that the 40gr Vmax at these velocities would fail to.
Very disappointing velocity in every barrel length tested. Why do Fiocchi and FN keep underloading their ammo? It is really keeping it from taking off as a caliber. 40gr should be about 1900 feet per second from a stock five-seven handgun
Rumor has it that most of the manufactures of 5.7x28 all agreed to lower the fps of their ammo in order to avoid having all 5.7x28 reclassified by the AFT as "armor piercing". I have also heard rumors that fn will refuse to sell bullets or brass to any company that refuses to under load their 5.7 ammo as well.
@@D.Trout222 they can’t (well they can) add new definitions to existing law. If the core isn’t a banned material or a FMJ larger than 22 cal with a jacket where the weight exceeds 25%, it’s all fair game. But you know ATF is going to ATF. I certainly entertain thought provoking theories and I don’t disagree. FN has no patent on that ammo anymore. Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own brass or ammo. Yet I get this feeling from Speer when I talked to them that they hinted at being limited to performance aspects when we know that bullet design held to 16” velocities. ;)
@@BuffRANGE it’s not even like the powder charge difference is that much cost savings. The case capacity isn’t that big it’s not a rifle round. And the recoil difference is negligible to me at least
@@MyLonewolf25 Not sure what powder they're using, or how much, but if it could be loaded .5gn hotter, even retail price on True Blue would only be about $.12 more per box of 50. There has to be some other reason for it.
It was an agreement with the Obama white house, at least with FNH USA itself… download the civilian ammo to where IIIA kevlar will stop it, and we won’t ban the caliber.
It’s kinda like 10MM, too many .40S&W like loadings, for a premium price. Love 5.7x28mm and 10MM, but I think I’ll be shooting the 9MM in a carbine the most, reloading for it should be fun and easy. I liked 9MM Fiocchi when I used to buy ammo before the pandemic.
@@disgruntledsimpmod4879 Vanguard also dialed back their Black Fang. When I asked them, they said it was due to sourcing different powder. The older stuff was going ~2050 fps out of the R57, and the new stuff is ~1950 fps. Out of the LC, using a Magneto-speed, it dropped from 2615 fps to 2461 fps. Sad. If you can find the stuff in the brass-colored cases, it should be faster. Their new black colored brass is when it got slower.
I think but correct me if I’m wrong we’re going to have two things in play here soon … as more and more popularity grows in this caliber and we have reliable plinking ammo should drive costs of the basics like federal,197,fiocchi,and AAC, to somewhere around 19.99,24.99$ a box … it should result in some manufacturers to offer commercial high performance back in to the 50$ range as I believe we 5.7 owners would be more than willing to pay for truly HP stuff similar to S4,dragon fang and the like
Part of the problem is that most manufacturers are unwilling to work with FN to get setup for the 5.7 caliber and then have to pay a royalty. If AAC or someone else brings component brass to the table I think that will be crucial to higher performing ammo.
Welp. I only carry elite ammunition (s4m and t6b) and vanguard outfitters in my ruger. I’m convinced that they underpower the ammo to ensure that the ATF/congress does not go after them
I hadn’t thought of this, thx. But you can get darnnear anything in pistols now, including “57 large” (.223), so how relevant is a law about armor piercing from pistols?
That ammo has been proven to malfunction way more often in any 5.7 gun, especially that black dragon round, it's awful. 1700 fps isn't anything to scarf at
When you look up the average velocity of a 5.7×28 coming out of a fn 5.7, it clearly says average 2100 fps. They fail to mention that kind of ammo is restricted to military and law enforcement. I feel it gives the buyer a false sense of capabilities, and it's not right. Whats the problem with AP rounds anyways? I feel that Military, LE, and civilians should be able to protect themselves alike. I'm fairly certain a very specific organization has something to do with it. Cough cough.
That’s with ss195 or 198. Both of which can be purchased commercially very easily. Yes ss190 is restricted and I agree 100%. We should be able to buy it 😊
And id still stick with ss197sr over any other round, especially gimmick rounds that ive seen cause failures and have extremely subpar accuracy, just because a round looks cool doesnt mean it functions well
Man thank you for all your videos. You're very through. Is there a place where you post the results showing which ammo has the fastest results per grain from what you have tested?
I was wondering what this ammo was about given my usual carry load for my FN Five-seveN is the 40 gr. V-Max SS197 round. How different is this round compared to SS197? Is there any reason to replace my current load with this? Also, are you aware of any magazine extensions for the FN Five-seveN new/Gen2 magazines?
This is the same exact bullet as Ss197 but with a different color tip. I’m not One to recommend AE TMJ or Ss197sr for carry. Can you get gold dot or Ss198? Not aware of any mag ext for the MK2 mags
@@BuffRANGE I've seen SS197 still penetrate to FBI standards while the 27 gr. stuff didn't seem to. I was curious how the Gold Dots performed any differently to SS197SR, but Paul Harrell's video on it seemed disappointing. I know Elite Ammunition said they were working on one, but it's been constantly delayed. A shame, because if that project ever does go through, I'm buying a bunch of them. To think that 20 rounds of 5.7 is now on the low end with the extensions available for the other 5.7 guns.
@@gameragodzilla The 27gr stuff yeah will only make it 8-10" but does have velocity on it's side. SS197SR just doesn't have much terminal affect at pistol velocities. I'm hoping the AAC Vmax will get us some more speed. The original design Gold Dot works better than the newer 4 pedal design they went to as far as expansion and penetration goes, but I am not sure when they switched. IMO EA's best ammo is T6B, Dev 3.0, S4M, and ProtecTor 1. I thought they may have been working on a copper expanding 35-40gr which would be good, but who knows. Vanguard has their HP I'm testing hopefully soon.
@@BuffRANGE Yeah, though in my view, the main benefit of the 5.7 cartridge is its low recoil, light weight and high capacity, and a lot of people claim all pistol rounds suck at terminal effect. heh So as long as the round meets FBI penetration requirements, I'm good. Of course, there are disagreements, but frankly if I do care about terminal effect, I'm more likely to pack a .357 Sig (for energy) or .45ACP (for wound size). I do really want to get my hands on some T6B, but unfortunately Elite Ammunition hasn't had much in stock recently. The armor piercing capabilities of that round was impressive. He does occasionally have S4M, and I know the 27 gr. stuff can be converted into that, but how does that round compare to T6B? Seems like T6B is the best of the bunch.
@@gameragodzilla S4M will have velocity on it's size, but it's penetration depths still may be limited. I want to run it in gel at some point, but I recall long ago it got to 14". It's armor ability is nowhere near T6B or BDF though. I shot some against a rigid IIIA and at 2700 fps it was stopped. But BDF from the pistol went through :D
@Nico Scarfo When I worked up a load with 40gr V-Max (with a Ruger 57), I didn't start having brass failures until about 2,050fps. I down-load my 40gr ammo to 1950fps and it runs fine.
That's what's called trying to get the gun to work on underpowered ammo :D Plus adding the optic to the slide increases the slide weight and on this type of operating principle can be detrimental to function.
@@lm1174 nahh. Ruger has undersized mag release. Surface rust prone slide. Horrible trigger. Recoil spring assembly that melts the internal frame. Rock has way better ergos
Only a subset of those guys from what my friend told me (who was on VP Security detail approx 4 yrs ago) actually had them. It would be interesting to know what he defined as "weak", but yeah SS190 doesn't penetrate very deep..
@@BuffRANGE sadly, as i hear that FN make their brass with special "ingredients" like lubed or coating. Hope in future if the NATOs start massive change to 5.7 there are other brass sources etc. Who know maybe there are outside US company (ofc except FN Belgie) make the ammo
@@raditya5663 Unfortunately ALL 5.7 guns to date require the coating on the brass. NATO really isn't fielding any 5.7 guns. It was only added as a STANAG for now. AAC in the US and Vanguard Outfitters are both now producing brass, but not at scale like FN.
could very well just be the Hornady Vmax, or it could be the Nosler bullet. Based on the fact the 35gr bullet is the NTX bullet, I would ASSUME this is the Hornady version?
@@BuffRANGE To your knowledge did anyone ever load a 36 (or 30 for that matter) grain Barnes Varmint Grenade commercially in 5.7? If so how did it perform? The first time I ever loaded 5.7 was with Alliant Blue Dot and a 36gr Varmint grenade. I can’t remember the chrono readings but I remember it was just a hair slower than SS198 in both FN guns, I never did much more with it but always wondered how it would do in gel.
@@gonzogriff That's not really a concern. 5.7 uses common 1:9 twist barrels. These bullets were originally designed to be driven at .223 velocities and faster.
Weak sauce. I carry Glock 40 10mm with KKM 6.5 barrel going to chrono it today or tomorrow shooting liberty civil defense. I expect to get 26-2700 fps. AR15 power.
It took a 16" barrel for me to get 2600 fps from LCD in 9mm. I was getting 2,300 fps from a 4.5". Do you think that load will get 300 fps from 2"? Definitely let us know!
@@BuffRANGE according to my garmin xero 25 shot average (yeah I chrono’d well over a whole box lol) was 2576 with 2609 max fps so basically 2600. I’m real happy with that. 2609 is about 906 ft lbs energy where in one of your videos 55 grain .223 PMC from 16” ar15 averaged 2775 which is 940 ft lbs. so very close to ar15 power or a 10.5”SBR shooting full 5.56 loads
@@BuffRANGE I’ve got 2 of safeline defense’s IIIA+ special threat panels designed to stop LCD 9mm and 5.7x28. I doubt they will stop LCD 10mm especially out of my 6.5” lmao . Btw couple weeks ago I shot a Paraclete speed plate the red version for ‘exotic pistols rounds’ against m39b from a Glock 19 and then from a 7.5” 9mm ar , all rounds went thru it but the 7.5 inch with much more authority . The Glock 19 they struggled thru it but still did
@@Ambusher1st Yes indeed! This caliber was designed for 28-40gr bullets. Long copper solids or the aluminum core bullets shine here, but the aluminum core variants could use refinement for better performance :D
@BuffRANGE I love 5.7, and the blue tips, I don't like the AmericanEagle Brand, I have some green tips I got at gun show in Florida about 4 years ago, like real green tips. I just looked up black tips they are selling them for 50 dollars a round. Sad face.
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I’m glad more ammo manufacturers are making this round, while it’s great having some of it be affordable for plinking, it would be nice if one of them would make some rounds at the higher velocities it’s supposed to be at. It’s like having all the manufacturers produce 10mm ammo with 40cal female FBI agent powder loads right now.
You are 100% right!
Yup to get 100% out of a cartridge you either have to reload, know someone who reloads, or go to boutique ammo manufacturers. Companies like buffalo bore, and underwood ammo sell 40 s&w loadings that outperform 10mm ammo! I get that not every loading needs to be a compressed load but c'mon.
Dude this was best comment I have ever read in the comments. I couldn’t have said it any better!
Now you know how lovers of the 357 sig feel. Except everyone including Sig downloads it 100-200fps from original specs. At least underwood does it justice and even semi affordably.
@@elimanning6520 Only certain types of 5.7x28mm ammo are listed as "Armor Piercing" and that's SS190, L191, SB193.. SS197SR and Fiocchi Hyperformance are NOT
Just recently saw this for sale. Glad you found it. You might be the first to review it. 👍
Hopefully I am :D
@@elimanning6520 "proper"? This load is about 100-150 fps below what it's capable of.
@@elimanning6520 Lol are you trolling me or something? The 40gr Speer Gold Dot before they SLOWED it down over 100 fps this year was hitting 1800 fps in the pistols. Many 40gr loadings from Elite, R&R Weapon Systems, are hitting 1800-1900+ fps. This ammo is watered down from the factory, and could easily support those velocities as the cartridge was intended. This is the same thing major manufacturers do with 10mm. They slow it down to barely about 40SW velocities, and then just hope users buy it never to chrono it and see how weak it is.
@@elimanning6520 Level III is RIFLE armor. Please show me the video. There's no rifle rated armor that the 40gr Vmax at these velocities would fail to.
@@elimanning6520 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Have a nice day.
Very disappointing velocity in every barrel length tested. Why do Fiocchi and FN keep underloading their ammo? It is really keeping it from taking off as a caliber.
40gr should be about 1900 feet per second from a stock five-seven handgun
I agree!
Probably loading it down so more people can handle the recoil.
No, but seriously- 400 ft-lb out of an 16 inch barrel. Pretty depressing
They want the civilians to have a cuck version of 5.7x28mm.
Rumor has it that most of the manufactures of 5.7x28 all agreed to lower the fps of their ammo in order to avoid having all 5.7x28 reclassified by the AFT as "armor piercing". I have also heard rumors that fn will refuse to sell bullets or brass to any company that refuses to under load their 5.7 ammo as well.
@@D.Trout222 they can’t (well they can) add new definitions to existing law. If the core isn’t a banned material or a FMJ larger than 22 cal with a jacket where the weight exceeds 25%, it’s all fair game. But you know ATF is going to ATF.
I certainly entertain thought provoking theories and I don’t disagree. FN has no patent on that ammo anymore. Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own brass or ammo. Yet I get this feeling from Speer when I talked to them that they hinted at being limited to performance aspects when we know that bullet design held to 16” velocities. ;)
I've noticed fiochhi loads everything light even their 115 grain 9mm stays subsonic out of my 3 inch ar9 which is nice cheap suppressor ammo
As expensive as 5.7 is, Im not inclined to spend money on neutered ammo. But I am glad there's competition now to lower the price overall.
I ran this and frangable rounds in my LC carbine and ruger 5.7 100 round 50 in each no problems at all
I recently purchased the PSA Rock 57 , she's flawless
So has the 2 I have :D
Psa 5.7 definitely is worth buying
@@josephpagan6953 waiting for mine to come in!
@Whipple Josh trust me it looks a little low budget but nothing low budget about it especially accuracy and durability in any ammo you feed it
Gonna have to stick with the dragon fang for self defense, pretty cool though
You are 100000000000000000000000% correct. DO NOT deviate from our known performing copper solids!
I picked up 2 boxes of that dragon fan stuff. Looks so nutty!
Where?
Why is so much 5.7 ammo loaded so weak? It defeats the entire point
My thoughts exactly... Hopefully AAC fixes that..
@@BuffRANGE it’s not even like the powder charge difference is that much cost savings. The case capacity isn’t that big it’s not a rifle round. And the recoil difference is negligible to me at least
@@MyLonewolf25 Not sure what powder they're using, or how much, but if it could be loaded .5gn hotter, even retail price on True Blue would only be about $.12 more per box of 50. There has to be some other reason for it.
It was an agreement with the Obama white house, at least with FNH USA itself… download the civilian ammo to where IIIA kevlar will stop it, and we won’t ban the caliber.
@@53K5HUNN8 they're needing civilian capabilities.
You just got a shoutout from polenar tactical in their newest Video... great guys and highly deserved!
It’s kinda like 10MM, too many .40S&W like loadings, for a premium price. Love 5.7x28mm and 10MM, but I think I’ll be shooting the 9MM in a carbine the most, reloading for it should be fun and easy. I liked 9MM Fiocchi when I used to buy ammo before the pandemic.
VG BDF is still only like $1.75 direct from them :D
@Disgruntled Simp Mod you can pre-order from VG a lot. I definitely would not buy from GB if you can help it
@@disgruntledsimpmod4879 Vanguard also dialed back their Black Fang. When I asked them, they said it was due to sourcing different powder. The older stuff was going ~2050 fps out of the R57, and the new stuff is ~1950 fps. Out of the LC, using a Magneto-speed, it dropped from 2615 fps to 2461 fps. Sad. If you can find the stuff in the brass-colored cases, it should be faster. Their new black colored brass is when it got slower.
I think but correct me if I’m wrong we’re going to have two things in play here soon … as more and more popularity grows in this caliber and we have reliable plinking ammo should drive costs of the basics like federal,197,fiocchi,and AAC, to somewhere around 19.99,24.99$ a box … it should result in some manufacturers to offer commercial high performance back in to the 50$ range as I believe we 5.7 owners would be more than willing to pay for truly HP stuff similar to S4,dragon fang and the like
Part of the problem is that most manufacturers are unwilling to work with FN to get setup for the 5.7 caliber and then have to pay a royalty. If AAC or someone else brings component brass to the table I think that will be crucial to higher performing ammo.
@@BuffRANGE I understand aac will be making their own brass and primer ?
@@steveashby4404 Yes they are making their own brass and primers
I love my 5.7's
Dang. 16-barrel is needed to get any decent velocity with this.
Yep :(
Welp. I only carry elite ammunition (s4m and t6b) and vanguard outfitters in my ruger. I’m convinced that they underpower the ammo to ensure that the ATF/congress does not go after them
I do not disagree
I hadn’t thought of this, thx. But you can get darnnear anything in pistols now, including “57 large” (.223), so how relevant is a law about armor piercing from pistols?
@@Calqid zero. It makes
People warm and fuzzy inside though.
That ammo has been proven to malfunction way more often in any 5.7 gun, especially that black dragon round, it's awful. 1700 fps isn't anything to scarf at
I would hope wind isn’t a factor for such a fast round at 25 yards good groups no doubt but seems a bit big for such a capable round
We need some underwood 5.7 already. Also is it worth buying black fang ammo?
I don’t think that fluted design would help us but a sub 40gr solid would. Yes Black Fang is my top pick.
Can't wait to see another drain on my resources get justified. Will these get tested out of a 16" barrel?
Yes :D 2 16" barrels were used in this small demo.
Used in the video 🤦🏼♂️
When you look up the average velocity of a 5.7×28 coming out of a fn 5.7, it clearly says average 2100 fps. They fail to mention that kind of ammo is restricted to military and law enforcement. I feel it gives the buyer a false sense of capabilities, and it's not right. Whats the problem with AP rounds anyways? I feel that Military, LE, and civilians should be able to protect themselves alike. I'm fairly certain a very specific organization has something to do with it. Cough cough.
That’s with ss195 or 198. Both of which can be purchased commercially very easily. Yes ss190 is restricted and I agree 100%. We should be able to buy it 😊
I doubt very seriously SS197 will be discontinued. Last I heard, it's FNH's best selling 5.7x28 cartridge.
It would seem it was just hearsay as there is tons of it everywhere
@@BuffRANGE - I have little doubt. With regard to public sales, I'm almost positive it's their top product.
@@driverjamescopelandwell for some time it was the only US made 5.7.
And id still stick with ss197sr over any other round, especially gimmick rounds that ive seen cause failures and have extremely subpar accuracy, just because a round looks cool doesnt mean it functions well
I take it you came from Paul H's video?
Man thank you for all your videos. You're very through. Is there a place where you post the results showing which ammo has the fastest results per grain from what you have tested?
I have my spreadsheet in my
Linktree. I update it from time to time.
Great channel, thank you
Thank you!!
I just ordered 2 boxes of these
When are you getting a S&W M&P 5.7 for testing?
I contacted their media team to see if I could. I am at 0 $ for gun funds right now
If S&W doesn’t send him one to test, that’ll tell you all you need to know about it.
Gotta sell one of the Rugers 57
Disappointing how slow it is, could have loaded it to 5.6 grains guessing.
Yes indeed!
I was wondering what this ammo was about given my usual carry load for my FN Five-seveN is the 40 gr. V-Max SS197 round. How different is this round compared to SS197? Is there any reason to replace my current load with this?
Also, are you aware of any magazine extensions for the FN Five-seveN new/Gen2 magazines?
This is the same exact bullet as Ss197 but with a different color tip. I’m not
One to recommend AE TMJ or Ss197sr for carry. Can you get gold dot or Ss198? Not aware of any mag ext for the MK2 mags
@@BuffRANGE I've seen SS197 still penetrate to FBI standards while the 27 gr. stuff didn't seem to. I was curious how the Gold Dots performed any differently to SS197SR, but Paul Harrell's video on it seemed disappointing.
I know Elite Ammunition said they were working on one, but it's been constantly delayed. A shame, because if that project ever does go through, I'm buying a bunch of them. To think that 20 rounds of 5.7 is now on the low end with the extensions available for the other 5.7 guns.
@@gameragodzilla The 27gr stuff yeah will only make it 8-10" but does have velocity on it's side. SS197SR just doesn't have much terminal affect at pistol velocities. I'm hoping the AAC Vmax will get us some more speed. The original design Gold Dot works better than the newer 4 pedal design they went to as far as expansion and penetration goes, but I am not sure when they switched.
IMO EA's best ammo is T6B, Dev 3.0, S4M, and ProtecTor 1. I thought they may have been working on a copper expanding 35-40gr which would be good, but who knows.
Vanguard has their HP I'm testing hopefully soon.
@@BuffRANGE Yeah, though in my view, the main benefit of the 5.7 cartridge is its low recoil, light weight and high capacity, and a lot of people claim all pistol rounds suck at terminal effect. heh
So as long as the round meets FBI penetration requirements, I'm good.
Of course, there are disagreements, but frankly if I do care about terminal effect, I'm more likely to pack a .357 Sig (for energy) or .45ACP (for wound size).
I do really want to get my hands on some T6B, but unfortunately Elite Ammunition hasn't had much in stock recently. The armor piercing capabilities of that round was impressive. He does occasionally have S4M, and I know the 27 gr. stuff can be converted into that, but how does that round compare to T6B? Seems like T6B is the best of the bunch.
@@gameragodzilla S4M will have velocity on it's size, but it's penetration depths still may be limited. I want to run it in gel at some point, but I recall long ago it got to 14". It's armor ability is nowhere near T6B or BDF though. I shot some against a rigid IIIA and at 2700 fps it was stopped. But BDF from the pistol went through :D
So the ruger Lc is the fastest
well yes because it has 16" barrel :D
@@BuffRANGE 😂 so did the ar that’s why I said it like that 😂
Y'all need to subscribe to this channel demolition ranch has nothing on this channel lol.
Aww thanks!
Damn I was hoping you would test them in gel. Looks like a different bullet design
Same design as ss197sr. Little to no terminal affect at this velocity.
Is this ammo legal? I was going to buy some online. Some say it’s illegal some it’s not
Why would it be illegal? It's a 40gr vmax with a black plastic tip. Who says it's illegal
@@BuffRANGE black tip armor piercing??
@@rtj2397 that’s Ss190. This is not Ss190. This is ss197sr with a different color tip.
1628fps is absolutely pathetic. HARD pass.
It's a 40gr not 27gr, you're not gonna get more than around 1800 from a 40gr 5.7
@@nicoscarfo4486 better tell that to elite and vanguard.
@@nicoscarfo4486 Elite Protector (40gr VMax) is over 1900fps from a FN57.
@Nico Scarfo When I worked up a load with 40gr V-Max (with a Ruger 57), I didn't start having brass failures until about 2,050fps. I down-load my 40gr ammo to 1950fps and it runs fine.
@@whiplash636 👍
Disappointing. I did a video on this with my lab radar and got the same results. Sad.
"Show me the velocity jerry!"
Hm what kind of misfire was that from the PSA Rock with the Fiocchi?
That's what's called trying to get the gun to work on underpowered ammo :D Plus adding the optic to the slide increases the slide weight and on this type of operating principle can be detrimental to function.
RoaR
Maximum Overdrive!
😢
That’s how the velocity numbers out of the Rock make me feel.
AAC will fix that with their loadings!
@@BuffRANGE I hope so. I was able to buy several boxes of the VMAX yesterday after you told us about it. I need to buy a chrono so I can test it.
Which 5.7 pistol is your favorite?
Toss up between the Rock and FSN. The FSN has a proven service history, but the rock has a better hand fit, and superior trigger IMO.
@@BuffRANGE Ruger 57 Tops both
@@lm1174 nahh. Ruger has undersized mag release. Surface rust prone slide. Horrible trigger. Recoil spring assembly that melts the internal frame. Rock has way better ergos
Does this penetrate body armor?
Not until 1950-2000 fps depending on the material type.
Manbearpig
My friend is ex secret service said they went back to mp5’s because 5.7 is too weak.
Only a subset of those guys from what my friend told me (who was on VP Security detail approx 4 yrs ago) actually had them. It would be interesting to know what he defined as "weak", but yeah SS190 doesn't penetrate very deep..
so other manufacturer other than FN is Fiochi, Federal and Federal
No. Only FN (190, 195,198) and Fiocchi USA loads AE TMJ, Ss197, Speer Gold dot :)
@@BuffRANGE oh are the Federal still using FN brass?
@@raditya5663 yes the federal American Eagle is still using FN brass and so is Fiocchi.
@@BuffRANGE sadly, as i hear that FN make their brass with special "ingredients" like lubed or coating. Hope in future if the NATOs start massive change to 5.7 there are other brass sources etc. Who know maybe there are outside US company (ofc except FN Belgie) make the ammo
@@raditya5663 Unfortunately ALL 5.7 guns to date require the coating on the brass. NATO really isn't fielding any 5.7 guns. It was only added as a STANAG for now. AAC in the US and Vanguard Outfitters are both now producing brass, but not at scale like FN.
Nosler bullet?
could very well just be the Hornady Vmax, or it could be the Nosler bullet. Based on the fact the 35gr bullet is the NTX bullet, I would ASSUME this is the Hornady version?
@@BuffRANGE Oh they do a NTX? Yeah probably just a Hornady then. It’s just I saw the black polymer and thought Nosler Varmegedodn.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 yeah they introduced a 35gr frangible load too. I'll try to get the review done for Thurs
@@BuffRANGE To your knowledge did anyone ever load a 36 (or 30 for that matter) grain Barnes Varmint Grenade commercially in 5.7? If so how did it perform?
The first time I ever loaded 5.7 was with Alliant Blue Dot and a 36gr Varmint grenade. I can’t remember the chrono readings but I remember it was just a hair slower than SS198 in both FN guns, I never did much more with it but always wondered how it would do in gel.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I think Elite did? He's changed loads more than girls change shoes though.
corndog
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I suspect all fn spec loadings are for the p90 or ps90 in barrel length. Could they be worried about jacket separation?
IE like the jacket ripping apart when hitting the target, or do you mean coming apart when leaving the barrel?
Elite drives the FN loadings hundreds of feet faster than FN does, and jacket separation is not an issue.
@@BuffRANGE when leaving barrel. I meant maybe they were afraid to push their projectiles any faster?
@@gonzogriff That's not really a concern. 5.7 uses common 1:9 twist barrels. These bullets were originally designed to be driven at .223 velocities and faster.
Cant watch the enemy censor you. Come to rumble and stop feeding the enemy, please.
This is on Rumble FYI ;)
Weak sauce. I carry Glock 40 10mm with KKM 6.5 barrel going to chrono it today or tomorrow shooting liberty civil defense. I expect to get 26-2700 fps. AR15 power.
It took a 16" barrel for me to get 2600 fps from LCD in 9mm. I was getting 2,300 fps from a 4.5". Do you think that load will get 300 fps from 2"? Definitely let us know!
@@BuffRANGE according to my garmin xero 25 shot average (yeah I chrono’d well over a whole box lol) was 2576 with 2609 max fps so basically 2600. I’m real happy with that. 2609 is about 906 ft lbs energy where in one of your videos 55 grain .223 PMC from 16” ar15 averaged 2775 which is 940 ft lbs. so very close to ar15 power or a 10.5”SBR shooting full 5.56 loads
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m that’s awesome. I need to get a Garmin.
@@BuffRANGE slowest shot was 2543
@@BuffRANGE I’ve got 2 of safeline defense’s IIIA+ special threat panels designed to stop LCD 9mm and 5.7x28. I doubt they will stop LCD 10mm especially out of my 6.5” lmao . Btw couple weeks ago I shot a Paraclete speed plate the red version for ‘exotic pistols rounds’ against m39b from a Glock 19 and then from a 7.5” 9mm ar , all rounds went thru it but the 7.5 inch with much more authority . The Glock 19 they struggled thru it but still did
It’s pronounced fee-oh-chee
is that "Chee" like Cheese, or "chee" like she?
@@BuffRANGE like Gucci
@@yolo_burrito I don't now how to even say that either.
What do you think is the hottest and heaviest you can load a 5.7 for a pistol round?
You’re going to top a 55gr load out about 1500 fps. It’s really meant for 27-34gr loads in the 2100-2400 fps range :)
@@BuffRANGE Gotcha. So, you'd be more inclined to load it slightly lighter and faster?
@@Ambusher1st Yes indeed! This caliber was designed for 28-40gr bullets. Long copper solids or the aluminum core bullets shine here, but the aluminum core variants could use refinement for better performance :D
Thank th3 heavens
Ohh lord jesus there's not a fire under these loads :D
@BuffRANGE I love 5.7, and the blue tips, I don't like the AmericanEagle Brand, I have some green tips I got at gun show in Florida about 4 years ago, like real green tips. I just looked up black tips they are selling them for 50 dollars a round. Sad face.
@@ihaveasandwichinmypocket yeah Ss190 is about $9/rd.
So if someone would make a 17wsm pistol, I wonder how it would compare to the 5.7x28? 25gr 17wsm vs 35gr 5.7x28?